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Oct 19, 2010 2:59 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Altschuler, Bishop Will Take Part In Campaign Event On Thursday

Oct 19, 2010 2:59 PM

Having previously pulled out of a League of Women Voters of the Hamptons debate in Hampton Bays scheduled for October 21, Randy Altschuler, the Republican candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives, has agreed to participate in another debate—in the same hamlet, scheduled for the same night.

The campaign for Mr. Altschuler, a business owner from St. James, said last week that the candidate could not attend a debate hosted by the league because he was scheduled to be in Deer Park for another event that same evening. But Mr. Altschuler’s campaign confirmed Monday that he will briefly appear with his opponent, incumbent U.S. Representative Tim Bishop of Southampton, at an event hosted by the Hampton Bays Civic Association that night. It will take place at the Southampton Town Community Center on Ponquogue Avenue in Hampton Bays.

Rob Ryan, a spokesman for Mr. Altschuler, said the candidate will appear with Mr. Bishop from 7 to 7:25 p.m. on Thursday, and then head off to Deer Park for the other event, which is hosted by the Long Island Association of Retired Firefighters. As it stands, Mr. Altschuler will be about 15 minutes late to the firefighters event due to the civic association event, Mr. Ryan added. The league debate, he said, would have taken much longer and would have forced Mr. Altschuler to miss the firefighters event entirely.

“It took a huge chunk out of the evening,” Mr. Ryan said of the debate planned by the non-partisan league. “We had already prior to it committed to the firemen that we would be there.”

Mr. Altschuler’s campaign agreed to attend the Hampton Bays Civic Association event only after the group agreed to bump up the congressional portion of the debate to 7 p.m. Mr. Ryan said. It was originally scheduled for later in the evening. Candidates for the State Senate and State Assembly will also debate that night.

Carol Mellor, president of League of Women Voters of the Hamptons, had no comment Monday. Mr. Altschuler’s cancellation forced her group to cancel its debate, prompting criticism from Mr. Bishop. The incumbent congressman, a Democrat from Southampton, is seeking his fifth term representing Eastern Long Island in the U.S. House of Representatives.

On Thursday evening, the candidates will field questions prepared by Hampton Bays Civic Association members and from the audience, according to Hampton Bays Civic Association President Bruce King, who will serve as the moderator. It is expected to last until around 9 p.m., with state candidates following the congressional candidates.

Hampton Bays Civic Association members described their event as a debate, rather than one of the more informal “meet the candidates” events that civic groups typically host. Members said that the candidates will have a limited amount of time to answer each question and have time for rebuttals.

In the state races, incumbent State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr. of Sag Harbor, an Independence Party member who is also endorsed by the Democratic Party, is being challenged by Republican Richard Blumenthal, a school guidance counselor from Westhampton Beach, and incumbent State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle of Port Jefferson, a Republican, will face Democrat Jennifer Maertz, an attorney from Rocky Point.

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I'm happy for the voters. I am also happy for the Hampton Bays Civic Association. They have had candidates debates every year for as long as anyone can remember. Anyone know how long it has been? It would have been a shame if the two congressional candidates did not show up.
By baywoman (153), southampton on Oct 18, 10 3:43 PM
25 minutes - Is that all Randy has to spare for voters? LOL
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 4:02 PM
that's 25 minutes more than bishlop ever gave a voter.
By uncleronk (136), southold on Oct 19, 10 8:07 AM
because you have tried to meet with him uncleronk? or because you are a bitter republican...i would guess the later
By whodat5 (12), southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:35 PM
Look up there at those pictures, that's what you are going to see Noah. A lifer, pointing at you, lecturing you,babbling about who is and who isn't allowed to serve in Congress. Except he doesn't get to decide. Its desperate and uncomfortable to watch someone when they cannot run on their so called accomplishments. Before you vote, remember, this isn't local at all anymore people. Bishop is going to regret he insisted on this. HIs strongest point is that he voted against Nancy Pelosi 2% of ...more
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 18, 10 4:55 PM
Sorry, Mackt, but Bishop is a head of Randy the millionaire outsourcer by double digits. Enjoy your fantasies, but don't let reality bit you in the ____
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 5:00 PM
"A lifer"?? The man's been in Congress since 2003, and that makes him a lifer? I don't think so. I'm guessing that by "who is and who isn't allowed to serve in Congress" you mean Tim Bishop's position that, in a year when it's all about jobs, it doesn't make sense to send to Congress someone like Randy Altschuler, who made his fortune by shipping American jobs away to India. I agree with Bishop. Why would we elect someone who's been committing economic treason?

Accomplishments? ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 18, 10 5:18 PM
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Chuck Schumer most notably deboned the Wall St. Reform Act, and voted to give hedge fund managers a tax rate as low as you, or I. He made it almost completely toothless in the 11th hour. At least Tim voted in favor of it, even though the Volcker portion of it was a shadow of it's intent.

At least we're not stuck with that b***h from Arkansas, who campaigned on the platform of Wall St. reform, then did an about face on her constituents. She effectively turned the bill she was in favor ...more
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 7:42 PM
I would like to ask Mr. Bishop what he intends to do about the repeal of key Depression-Era legislation, and the repeal of the legislation that did so.
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 5:14 PM
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And, during those 40 years, the "upper class", paid at the minimum a 75% tax rate, and still lived "high on the hog".

That tax rate on the upper class built this country's infrastructure, which now has a grade of D-, since the Reagan tax cuts, and Clinton's deregulation of the financial industry. "Painted rust" abounds throughout the country, most notably our bridges, like the I-35 that plunged into the Mississippi. When you feed the wallets of the already wealthy, you undermine the infrastructure ...more
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 7:36 PM
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I agree with both of you. Isn't it ironic how our infrastructure is still D- after the two stimulus injections which were suppose to give us a 21st century infrastructure. Obama is such a fool for claiming that, we are so far from having Maglev trains it is pathetic. Any time I get on the stinky diesel LIRR I'm reminded of our crumbling nation.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 8:03 PM
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By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 19, 10 12:25 AM
Wow Randy of Mumbai will grace us with his presences.
Vote Bishop…Vote Local!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 5:36 PM
Perhaps Mr. Altschuler will use his newly discovered free time to outsource more jobs to India?

For shame.
By PBR (4819), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 6:06 PM
I would like to hear Mr. Altschuler speak also, primarily to hear him defend his outsourcing of jobs, if any defense can be made.

Are the sound bites in Mr. Bishop's ads accurate? For instance, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZQMITedzXw&NR=1

Is that Mr. Altschuler in the video, and did he make those statements? [see other youtube links as well]

OK, Mr. A., we will see you in Hampton Bays, East of The Canal, and we look forward to your defense of your outsourcing ...more
By PBR (4819), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 6:38 PM
He should have outsourced the Deer Park appearance.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 8:05 PM
He will be at the Amagansett Legion for a meet and greet today at 4:30-6 and the Palm for fund raising at 6-9. I think the legion would be the place for you to go
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 2:43 PM
you're all big on slogans, one liners and unfortunately for you, this one is about substance. and you can have fun with that double digit lead, that same paper also has an advertisement for male enhancement that guarantees results. hahahaha.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 18, 10 6:32 PM
Could be Randy answered that ad you're talking about and that's how he summoned up the courage to show up and debate. But only 25 minutes? Not much of an enhancement. I'd ask for my money back, Randy.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 18, 10 10:06 PM
"Bush was an idiot.The entire republican party is coming apart at the seams because of him;Ask anyone in the world and they'll tell you he was the biggest idiot and worst president in American history."

The above was, best I can tell, #183 for philathome. Just in case you were tempted to take him seriously.


By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 18, 10 6:34 PM
Bush was a moron.

Cheney was the "President", and used him as a poster boy since he knew we wouldn't elect him to office.
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 7:44 PM
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October 18, 2010
well well well no surprize here....Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment at 10.0% in Mid-OctoberUnemployment is essentially the same as the 10.1% at the end of Septemberby Dennis Jacobe, Chief EconomistPRINCETON, NJ -- Unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, is at 10.0% in mid-October -- essentially the same as the 10.1% at the end of September but up sharply from 9.4% in mid-September and 9.3% at the end of August. This mid-month measurement confirms the late ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 18, 10 6:43 PM
Darn tootin, joe hampton. Just because we lost 4 million jobs in the months before Obummer took office and 700,000 jobs a month when moved into the oval office, they wanna blame bush for this economy! Hah! Where were the dems when Obama was pushing that TARP bank bailout - oh, that was Bush and Paulson, scratch that.

At least Randy Altschuler knows how to create jobs. Yeah, yeah,yeah, the jobs he creates are in India, but so what, they're jobs aren't they.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 18, 10 10:01 PM
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For that matter, where was everyone when they passed the Modernization Act, and the GLBA?
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 19, 10 12:23 AM
Guess what Dems have had control since 2006. Newsflash..their plan aint working
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 2:46 PM
philathome, the policies are publicized and out there for you to read if you so choose, but its about what he WON'T do. Oh, and scientests have discovered the ailment, symptoms of which you present: gluteal cleft syndrom.
Oct 18, 10 7:58 PM appended by mackt
that's scientists and syndrome. screwed it up, but you get the picture.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 18, 10 7:58 PM
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and you know, for your party, you are exhibiting presidential material qualities. you know, calling people that don't support your views, ''Stupid'' or ''Confused''. you could have a future in liberal politics.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 18, 10 8:00 PM
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By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 8:28 PM
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Yeah, you don't see us conservatives calling names or trying to stereotype entire groups of people - unless they're muslims or latinos, but they deserve it.
Oct 18, 10 10:03 PM appended by razza5351
And gays, I forgot gays. Oh and socialist, marxists. I'll let you know if I think of any more.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 18, 10 10:03 PM
big smile this morning. philathome likes my comments, ice and philathome have had some comments removed, undoubtedly losing their minds and razza5351 can't keep the nonsensical joke up any longer. Wow, I didn't think I would be so effective. and philathome, while I am here to help, sometimes I can do more good by just giving you a hint of the truth and letting you go find it for yourself. You can lead a donkey to water but you can't make him see the light.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 19, 10 7:15 AM
You know, I'll show you some mercy. Here are two pretty specific strategies from a man you have never met yet for whom you seem to preserve a special level of hatred. If you don't support either of these ideas, you are clearly in the minority and while you have a right to your opinion, civil servants are hired by the people to represent the majority of them. The majority of the country support both of the measures below. This cannot be disputed.





"I support efforts ...more
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 19, 10 7:22 AM
Are you starting to understand better why they call it The House of Representatives philathome? They are supposed to listen to the constituents and take the majority opinion and push it in the center of power nee corruption, Washington, D.C.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 19, 10 9:13 AM
You teabaggers seem to forget that those currently seated in the House did not take those seats, they were elected to sit there. They were elected by their constituents who know their platforms when they voted for them. You tea folks are going to be quite surprised come November 3
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Oct 19, 10 9:30 AM
You seriously want to know what we need?

A recall law on the books.

As it stands, the people have no leverage with politicians after they take office. There is no pressure, or even a hint of a threat that they must do a good job.

You want more power? Put a recall law on the books...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 19, 10 8:52 PM
Here's hoping that the Hampton Bays debate moderator asks Altschuler THE question: "Why should we vote for a millionaire candidate who made his millions by shipping American jobs and their salaries overseas?"

In the Supervisoral candidates debate held there, the questions were so parochial that it was a waste of time. Let's assume this time that neither candidate favors settling illegal immigrants in Hampton Bays.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 19, 10 9:42 AM
It needs to be asked, but I would not be surprised if it were not.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 9:57 AM
He will be at the legion today from 4-6..why dont you ask him. I already asked Timmy why he flipped and voted for the senate Health care reform bill after publically opposing it. He responded "because I am a spineless nothing who doesnt want to upset my party..screw my dumb constituents"
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 2:52 PM
to find out where district 1 candidates stand on the issue of immigration, you will find that Randy Altschuler espouses policies that are completely in line with the vast majority of his constituents and this country. Bishop again, is in lock step with the most radical agenda in the history of the republic. http://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/congressional/house-election/2010-new-york-01st-district-race.html

and highhatsize, that is THE question for you, but it isn't THE ...more
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 19, 10 10:35 AM
Highhatsize how about a better question. What was Mr. Bishop and his "party"m doing while RA was outsoursing jobs. Answer nothing till it meant his political life and more rhethoric to use as word games. I use the quotes around the word party because the party in Washington needs to be OVER. As hard as it is to defend a vote for RA I will because we need to change the culture of our elected officals. We need some sound business sense. Look locally to Mr. Shummer. We have a MTA that is a utility ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 10:54 AM
I find it disgusting that folks are willing to vote for a man who outsourced tens of thousands of American jobs simply because they hate Tim Bishop. To say that the democrats have done nothing is quite simply to deny history.

I don' t care how many times the lie is told or how many people tell it, but the fact is that our country is in the shape it is in because of GWB and the republicans. You want to vote out the people who blew up the deficit? Then vote out the republicans, not only ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 19, 10 11:53 AM
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So you advocate changing from a culture of creating jobs to a culture of more outsourcing?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 12:43 PM
have you been checking the unemplyment numbers lately. What jobs have been created. What has Bishop done to create private sector jobs.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 2:55 PM
Schumer destroyed the Wall St. reform bill.

The only thing I look to him for, is being a tool of the Wall St. disparity machine.
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 8:27 PM
Like Tim Bishop says, "There is nothing illegal about outsourcing American jobs, but you do not get to be a Congressman after doing it."

Vote Bishop! Vote Local!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 11:33 AM
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I figure the Tea party has put 99 Democrat-held House seats in danger
Bobby Bright, Alan Grayson,Quayle, Betsy Markey and Frank Kratovil, Jr. are among the vulnerable.In the past 2 weeks the political map has expanded to put Democrats on the run across the country. I see at least 99 Democratic-held House seats now in play,TheTea Party is well in reach of retaking the House.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43814.html#ixzz12oq2r0Mt
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 19, 10 11:37 AM
The teaparty has had a big impact - they have insured that the democrats will retain control of the senate.

By the way, quoting an article from the right wing Politico is like me quoting from Huff Post, which I will now do:

"With two weeks to go in the 2010 mid-term elections there are a number of good reasons to believe -- contrary to most conventional wisdom -- that Democrats will still control the House once the smoke clears from the electoral battlefield." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/two-weeks-out-nine-reason_b_766012.html

By ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 19, 10 12:01 PM
What principles are those? Bigotry, hate, violence, ignorance? Teparty sweetheart Christine O'Donnell just yesterday said that separation of church and state was not in the constitution! I thought you guys were all about "bringing this country back to the constitution"? Hah.

By the way, Tim Bishop was first elected to congress in 2002 - that's what you call a "career politician"? Time to start thinking outside of conservative talking points. By the way, thanks for making it possible ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 12:33 PM
Those who say the Bishop campaign is going negative don't get it. Going negative is beating up on a candidate for not paying his taxes or cheating on his wife -- bad, but not closely related to the job he's running for. Randy Altschuler's outsourcing fortune is on a different level, not only bigger, but directly related to the job of a Congressman today -- it's the exact opposite of what needs to be done, so yes, it should be discussed in the campaign. Electing Randy of Mumbai, Randy the job-killer, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 19, 10 11:45 AM
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Teapartiers do not care. They nominated Altschuler, Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Rand Paul, Carl Paladino and a long line of incompetent whackos.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 19, 10 12:04 PM
oh, progressivenow finds it disgusting, I'm changing my vote. Thats convincing for me. And Progressnow thinks that teapartiers don't care and she's taking her ball and going to her own sandbox. and turkey bridge wants to define negative campaigning for us all. and then goes on to say that dracula is in charge of a blood bank or something. Some of you even think you have found proof that Dems aren't on their heels after all. I thought the revolution wasn't going to be televised but not only ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 12:21 PM
Don't they limit your computer time at the home?
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 19, 10 12:26 PM
Alan Grayson must go. In history there hasn't been a bigger disgrace to represent any American anywhere. He and Bishop can get eat egg sandwhiches and remember The Agenda that almost was.
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 12:22 PM
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hi this is yessiree's nurse at the home. we agree with him 100% and trust that he's representing perfectly well. thank you.
By Arthur187 (3), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 12:57 PM
So the lunatics control the asylum, eh?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 2:23 PM
Randy will be at the Amagansett Legion today Tuesday the 19th for a community meeting from 4-6:30 if anyone is interested
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 2:57 PM
"like tim bishop says" that's your first problem.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 19, 10 4:13 PM
will Randy give an answer in Amagansette tonight that he will change on Thursday - PROBABLY. First he was green then he was Republican, then he was outsourcer now he's mister "look for the Union Label", first it was Jersey, now its Long Island, first it was fervently Pro-Choice now he's Pro-Life, lets just hope he keeps the streak alive and makes it first he's a candidate then he's a loser. Oh wait that would break the streak - he's been a loser the whole time...
By whodat5 (12), southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:43 PM
heywhodat5, algore's wife has designated this a PG-13 website and unless you have your parents approval, you probably should sign off. we'll mark you down as a vote ''in favor of'' calling people stupid and losers that don't agree with you. You too have a solid foundation on which to build a liberal career in politics.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 19, 10 5:53 PM
Hey mackt, the man didn't call anyone stupid, so if I were to follow your lead, I'd be saying you have a solid foundation on which to build a right-wing career in politics, since you put words in people's mouths. I won't follow your lead, though, and I'll admit that whodat5 did use the word "loser." Now let's get to the substance of what whodat5 says about Randy Altschuler: The flip-flop from Green to Republican is true. The flip-flop from 10,000-job outsourcer to "look for the Union Label" ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 19, 10 6:48 PM
Apologies to whodat5. I note from the avatar that whodat5 is a lady. Got to pay more attention to these things.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 19, 10 6:50 PM
This election is history repeating itself back from 1860. The democrats were split in two. Stephan Douglas represented compromise and the other representing the white supremists was John Breckenridge. Lincoln ran on the vilified Republican party who wanted to contain slavery in the growing United States. Slavers were afraid of losing their balance in congress and therefore losing slavery. Today you have the republican party split. Moderates and representing the white supremists is the tea party. ...more
By Mets fan (906), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 6:47 PM
Vote Local...Vote Bishop!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 7:58 PM
Hey captain america - bishop has been in SH for 16 generations - he is in Southampton every single week - go to Catena's on a Sat morning and you will see him. Go to a play at SH high school and you'll see him. Walk down main street and you'll see him - go to King Kullen and you'll see him. He is as local ad local gets ...
By whodat5 (12), southampton on Oct 20, 10 10:43 PM
14 more days and the world will seem a bit better.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 19, 10 7:59 PM
In 14 days you guys will be demanding recounts and in 2 years you'll be in the political misfit hall of fame with Ross Perot and Joe the Plumber
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 19, 10 8:56 PM
Is that a CHAD on your ballot, or just confused Hebrews?

Yeah, this will probably be deleted...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 19, 10 8:59 PM
An activist supreme court gave W his victory, Franken earned his.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 9:48 PM
I have never heard such BS in my life as the statement you just made! Congratulations. And a have a plesent 2 weeks
Oct 19, 10 10:50 PM appended by joe hampton
That would be referring to the comment by the alway bitter and sore Peoplefirst
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 19, 10 10:50 PM
The US Supreme Court halted the recount before it was completed. No one (including Gore) knows what the recount would have yielded had it been allowed to proceed to completion.
Suprised the TPs aren't up in arms over the US Supreme Court halting a state vote count, being conducted pursuant to a procedure expressly approved by that state's supreme court. Where's the outrage?
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 20, 10 12:26 PM
I still say we need a "Recall Law" on the books in every state.

If any candidate does an about face, like in Arkansas recently, at least the people have options...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 19, 10 8:58 PM
Alschuler outscources thousands of American Jobs to India!
Vote Local......Vote Bishop!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 9:51 PM
oh now its aproching 13 days, My My My time flys wene your having fun
Oct 19, 10 10:55 PM appended by joe hampton
oh now its approaching 13 days, My My My time flys when your having fun. Uh sorry for the typos uni bot I was on the BB and not paying attention, Dont taze me bro!
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 19, 10 10:55 PM
I left a meet and greet with Randy a few hours ago and loved the comment that he would not vote with the new speaker of the house boehner 97% of the rime but would vote with the what's in the best of interest of congressional district 1. If you want someone who votes for Your best interest votedor Randy. Bishop is just a rubber stamp
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 19, 10 11:18 PM
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Hah! "Randy said he won't vote with Boehner . . ." And god knows Randy is unlike any other politician who will say whatever his audience wants to hear. Randy, like all republican ditto heads, will fall right in line with his party's leadership.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 9:24 AM
now that you lefties had your debate, do you feel better? your bearded stutterer had a heckuva time. again, uncomfortable to watch a person with 8+ years of experience not really be able to point to anything substantial. And at this point, Pelosi and Reid are so toxic, he cannot slither away from those relationships or his union thug supporters or his inside the beltway foreign money. its actually sad to watch this, and the unfortunate thing is we are heading towards a great imbalance in the ...more
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 20, 10 8:39 AM
Even evil overlord Karl Rove can't stand the teaparty: "The Tea Party movement lacks sophistication and is, unlike the Reagan Revolution, not a "well-organized, coherent, ideologically motivated and conservative revolution." That's what GOP strategist Karl Rove told Germany's Der Spiegel in a recent interview."

What he fails to mention, however, is that the teaparty is nothing more than a clever rebranding of the toxic republican party. Love it!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 9:31 AM
I know Peoplefirst and George Soros is a good guy Right.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 20, 10 9:35 AM
No No No, Your speaking out of both sides of you mouth at the same time. The reason Carl Rove does not like the Tea Party is because we will fire the likes of him just as easy as Nacy Pelosi. The Tea Party movement is drawing people from all political stripes, social causes, and income brackets. It is drawing people who have never participated in any kind of political or grassroots movement before. What we have in common, and what holds us together, is a very deep love for the uniqueness of the ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 20, 10 9:41 AM
Dude, Karl Rove IS the teaparty. You have absolutely no idea at which altar you actually pray and that is just how they like it. Rove and Armey so skillfully played you teapartiers that you actually believe your own mythology. Clueless. So blissfully clueless.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 9:51 AM
Extremely accurate observation. Teapartiers believe that theirs is a grass-roots movement, but, in reality, the entire fiction of this group was a well-thought out and well-financed ploy by a dying republican party to put a new face on themselves. Karl Rove's group has given millions to "teaparty" candidates and Dick Armey's freedom works not only defined the movement, but chose its candidates - people like Joe Miller, Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Paladino and Paul - all financed and promoted ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 20, 10 10:33 AM
That "free market" you describe, must have a baseline.

It cannot have an unregulated "black file cabinet", full of contracts we have no idea the worth of, or their cascading detrimental effect. There need to be rules, and limits, or you get things like a CSO, and CSO squared packages, which are bets, placed on bets like some sidebetting bookie casino.

A "limited government", OK. But a full on comparison to fiscal anarchy?

NO.
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 8:37 PM
To mackt:

You are muddying the waters. The "new poll" numbers that you refer to were out in August for the House as a whole. Absent divine intervention, the Republicans will take control of the House. However, the newest poll numbers for the Bishop/Altschuler race show Bishop with an increasing lead, currently 12%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/house/2010_elections_house_map.html

This probably doesn't indicate accurately the political ideology of District ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 20, 10 9:59 AM
Mackt and his fellow teapartiers do not want to listen to reality. Tim will win.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 20, 10 10:35 AM
its easier for peoplefirst if he tries to establish the cluelessness of his adversary, but it isn't accurate. the man is quite astute. if you think that karl rove is the tea party, you are sadly mistaken. he is part of the machine. he has been at odds with the tea party the entire time. sorry, doesn't fit the template. and as for the one of the oversized hat, give bishop's office a call and ask him if he is feeling lucky right about now. just because the thought pops into your head doesn't ...more
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:16 AM
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oh and last I checked, the latest jobs reports refers to an immense amount of jobs ''destroyed'' since the current ruling class took office. those jobs didn't go to anyone else, they didn't help make a company more efficient, they didn't prop up a global economy and they didn't get stopped by anything Bishop, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank and the shady attorney from Chitown did.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:20 AM
Joe you are wasting your time! You are wasting your time on folks who think you get to have things just because. They feel life is unfair and spend most of there time complaining. They feel minorities are in some way inferior and need artificial advantages. They believe in tolerance for everything even if it means your life will turn to crap as long as everyone's life is equally as crappy.They want your nose out of there bedroom but are more than happy putting their nose in your bank account or ...more
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 10:27 AM
Allow the facts to speak for themsleves: "There is significant overlap between Americans who identify as supporters of the Tea Party movement and those who identify as conservative Republicans. Their similar ideological makeup and views suggest that the Tea Party movement is more a rebranding of core Republicanism than a new or distinct entity on the American political scene."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/tea-party-supporters-overlap-republican-base.aspx
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 20, 10 10:34 AM
Wow you are one Kool Aid drinking Ideologue.What a disgusting view point. You would do well on the streets of Paris at the moment. I cannot believe what some of my countrymen believe to be truth. What has happened to some of you people is a tragedy.If your grand parents were alive I believe they would disown you for fear of humiliation by association. Don't even bother to respond I 'm not interested . DASVIDANIYA and good night!
Oct 21, 10 10:13 PM appended by joe hampton
Dan obviously you can see those comments were not directed at you. We can only pray for the likes of Phil.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 21, 10 10:13 PM
Dude, it's "das vidanja"...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 24, 10 9:56 PM
progressnow, not your einstein moment. uh, there are lots of overlap between teapartiers and republicans? no more reruns of Columbo for you, your sleuthing skills are at expert level. and you needed to quote a gallup poll to help support that statement? look, we've said it before and it is so darn hard for you to grasp. its the issues dopey. did you see the post above you from 27day. didn't mention outsourcing, india, new jersey, greenparty...none of it. when the ship is going down, you ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 11:05 AM
On 10-15 CQ politics changed congressional district 1 from lean Dem to toss up.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 11:07 AM
Here's a little challenge for the group: Find someone, anywhere in the First District, who has personally sought Tim Bishop's help and come away disappointed. (No fiction allowed, just the truth.) I bet you can't do it, because Tim Bishop takes care of business and he takes care of his constituents. This native Long Islander has worked hard for us for eight years, and we should keep him in Congress.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 11:29 AM
Please stop.I cant stop laughing!!!
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 12:01 PM
There's apparently something else you can't do, razza, and that's meet my challenge. Put up or shut up.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 2:39 PM
Still waiting, razza...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 8:40 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com

Oct. 20, 2010. Rasmussen now reports numbers that show complete rejection of candidates who voted for obamacare, cash for clunkers and stimulus plans and auto bailouts.

Unfortunately for the loud minority here, these are far and away the driving issues of this election season. Incidentally, Bishop voted for all of it, gets a failing grade for his protection of our small businesses, the protection of our tax dollars and the protection of our ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 11:32 AM
turkey, use me as exhibit 1. tim bishop has hurt my family and my family business immeasurably. and i am not being flippant. i don't care how many youth exchange students he got to see the un in new york city. let me repeat - tim bishop has hurt my busines, my income, my family and my children's future. and this is because of his votes in washington. nobody owes you a thing. here's a challenge for you...no more challenges.

By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 12:20 PM
Would you, your family and your business be better off if the country were in a depression? Conservatives can't seem to own up to the fact that we avoided a depression because of the stimulus (and most economists believe the stimulus wasn't big enough). I've got young kids and don't like the prospect of deficits that will take generations to resolve. But doing nothing would have been a unmitigated disaster.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 20, 10 12:33 PM
Yessiree, I think your exhibit 1 would be ruled out as irrelevant. I asked for an example of someone "who has personally sought Tim Bishop's help and come away disappointed." I think most people would agree that political disagreement such as you describe doesn't meet this description.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 2:43 PM
The only things that seriously hurt your business, and your future were Bill Clinton, and Alan Greenspan, et al. .

You are so blind with anger, you want to blame Tim for the wreck repeal of key Depression Era legislation made of the economy, because you NEED someone to blame. He wasn't even in Congress until 2003. The East End was decimated by the monies (of which over 40% evaporated damn near overnight) which spouted from a wholly unregulated derivatives market, the Services Modernization ...more
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 3:33 PM
To dylan32:

Bishop's 12% lead "popped into my mind" from RealClearPolitics, an impartial aggregator of polling data.

The CQ Quarterly, which does indeed rate the race a toss-up, bases their decision on data that they don't disclose. However, even they say that the Republican Party isn't' targeting District 1 for a big push. (Because they know a loser when they see one?)

This will only get worse for Randy. As the source of his wealth (selling out his countrymen) becomes ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 20, 10 2:08 PM
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Highhat, Bishop sold us down the river the day he voted for health care reform. Randy is not running just so he can listen to people like you. Randy is spending his time and money because he is fed up with the rubber stamp that Bishop has yielded.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 2:43 PM
What is this bashing of health care reform? This is like papa brings home a loaf of good fresh bread, and mama, for reasons of her own, starts beating him over the head with it. Fact: In this Congressional district alone, 8,700 more people now have access to quality, affordable health care because of the recent health care reform legislation. Fact: In this Congressional district alone, 20,900 small businesses are now eligible for health care tax credits under the Affordable Care Act. This ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 2:56 PM
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Keep getting your info from Moveon.org. Fact is when you start mandating more coverage your premiums go up. If you work in the private sector and the business owner now has to pay more premium this increase will most likely effect your salary and/or your coverage. Working man gets screwed again
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 4:01 PM
The source is the bipartisan House Commerce Committee, razza. To be fair, you might be right about the possibility of premium increases in the short term. Long term, however, this should increase pressure for a single payer system, which is probably where we should be going. Hope you agree.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 6:03 PM
This bill is so bad it's almost designed to fail. it never addresses the core problem which is the need to reduce the cost of care in fact it does the reverse with increased mandated coverages. the bill hurts everyone who is working and has coverage in NY. When rates go up 26% as mine did it will affect employees pay packages.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 6:46 PM
Just out of curiousity, how much of the "cost" of health care goes toward the billions in ridiculous salaries, worthy of Wall St. bankers ridiculous ideas of compensation, and bonuses?

How much could you save by shaving a few MILLION from individual salaries over the course of a decade?

When a tree becomes top heavy, it falls over with a thunderous crash...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 8:45 PM
here we go again. Mr Z with the evil insurance companies,evil corporations and anti capitalism. Have you ever taken a look at medicare?. Medicare is ripe with Fraud, coverage resembles swiss cheese and is a massive drain on taxpayers. In fact the alternative medicare advantage plans run by insurance companies are a far more effective means of obtaining coverage and are run at profit not loss
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 9:14 PM
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he is like a broken record why even listen anymore
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:18 PM
I do believe in Capitalism.

I just believe it should still be of the same disparate proportions it was in my grandfather's day.

In the last thirty years, executive compensation has increased by more than 500%, while "middle class" salaries have stagnated almost completely. If you can live with that kind of disparity in society, fine.

I can't...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 24, 10 6:15 PM
I don't care what the issues are, I want a State Senator that I know with much more assurance then a Senators say so that he or she doesn't have a conflict of interest and will represent NYS to the best to their abilities and not the best interests of their Law Firm, clients or fellow NYS Bar members.

It amazes me that Salandb and others are allowed to practice law while serving in the NYS Senate and Assembly and I for one will never again vote for an attorney that isn't willing to discontinue ...more
By Welsarth (1), Latham on Oct 20, 10 5:00 PM
Well said.

Lobbyists need to be done away with. The only drown the voices of the people, by turning up the voices of special interests to 11 on the dial.

$80k a year not enough for you?

Stay out of PUBLIC service, and do all of us one...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 20, 10 8:47 PM
Vote Bishop.....Vote Local!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 20, 10 6:18 PM
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Vote Bishop . . . Vote Sanity!
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 20, 10 9:03 PM
This from the FOUNDER OF THE TEA PARTY himself, Karl Denninger:

"Tea Party my a**. This was nothing other than The Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with The Republican Party's own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!"

According to Mr. Denninger, "Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and d**chebag groups ...more
Oct 20, 10 9:00 PM appended by progressnow
Here is the link to Mr. Denninger's blog http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2222649
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 20, 10 9:00 PM
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Who will be the first to test the integrity of the rope tossed to pull ourselves out of this pit we have dug ourselves into?
By loading... (511), quiogue on Oct 20, 10 9:47 PM
Give the rope to an Immigrant coming over the wall. He will be happy to test it .
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:39 PM
I see no illegals in the pit
By loading... (511), quiogue on Oct 21, 10 1:57 AM
Let's get back to Altschuler vs. Bishop. I hope the two debate several times. I guess they will be on channel 12. I have heard Alschuler speak and I think Mr. Bishop will quickly learn he will not be able to out debate Altschuler whose story is compelling. Altschuler was raised by a single mom after his father abandoned them and his brother. Altschuler worked his way through Princeton, then got his MBA at Harvard. He started a multi-national corporation with 750 jobs in the US and its headquarters ...more
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Oct 20, 10 9:53 PM
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duh uhm vote bishop vote local. LOL
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:07 PM
Thanks Dan I know. Its funny 31 comments after you laid it on the line and not one person responded to your comments. Stright Ahead....
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 20, 10 10:22 PM
In future text books we will be as proud of the tea party as we are of the Klan. They are a disgrace to this nation and the ideals of equality - invoking the tea-party and what the Sons of Liberty stood for is a farce - their platform is hateful rhetoric. God Bless us all if their bigoted,narrow minded candidates win out. A party of anger and hate is not what this country needs.
By whodat5 (12), southampton on Oct 20, 10 10:51 PM
You nailed it whodat5 and razza, joe hampton, mackt, et al are living examples of why this is true.

If the republicans (disguised as the teaparty) manage to take control of the house it will be a short-lived victory reminiscent of Gingrich's revolution. Funny how he is still their leader even after having left in disgrace.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 21, 10 8:38 AM
I had the opportunity to work for Mr. Bishop while he was the provost at Southampton College, I found him to be a person of intergrity, very hard working, which is still evident today. I regret that I do not live in the 1st congressional district so I may cast my vote for him. I rather have a congressman, representing the east end, that was born and raised there, than the "carpetbagger" Mr. Altschuler. Tim Bishop never struck me as a man, who exhibit "entitlement" to anything. Being native to ...more
By Celtic (7), Amagansett on Oct 21, 10 7:02 AM
Vote Bishop....Vote Local!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 21, 10 9:57 AM
To mrmako61:

Nice partisan bio. A rags-to-riches story that completely ignores the fact that the raison d'etre of Randy's company, while it may be headquartered in Manhattan, is to ship American jobs overseas. Randy's career choice makes him unelectable here but he might be successful in India. Perhaps he should move his domicile even further east in his quest for political success.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 21, 10 2:09 PM
bighead, highhat, whatever-----Do you understand what a multi national company is? You have a US operation where you created 750 jobs in America. the jobs are still here, they have not gone anywhere. Now you open a similar operation in London and you hire 200 people in London. The 750 people in the US still have their jobs. You haven't moved anything overseas. Is it that difficult to understand? If you open a business in Seattle and hire 25 people in Seattle and it works, then you open a similar ...more
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Oct 21, 10 11:10 PM
To mrmako61:

Your comparison is not apt.

A multi-national corporation is one that, typically, has its headquarters in one nation but offers goods and services in many. GM would be a good example. It's products are sold internationally but its corporate headquarters is here. It's manufacturing operations are located across the globe but, also, in the United States.

However, it's raison d'etre is to sell cars which it does locally and internationally.

By contrast, ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 22, 10 2:00 AM
Bishop spanked Randy last night in Hampton Bays. Altscheuler has no plan, no vision, no concept. He simply re-stated, as did all of the challengers, what is wrong with the country/state. I can get that info from newspapers/ internet. Gimme a plan, bro... I didn't need a lecture on current events. Bishop, Thiele and La Valle bring home the bacon, they deserve to be elected.
The missing trillion dollars ( federal defecit) they kept bouncing off each other like a large baloon went to fund the travesty ...more
By William Rodney (465), southampton on Oct 22, 10 10:25 AM
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I attended the Hampton Bays congressional debate and what was abundantly clear was that Randy Altschuler is not qualified to run for office and that Tim Bishop is. Mr. Altschuler did nothing more than parrot tired republican/tea party talking points. As all republicans have done this election season, Mr. Altschuler said we must lower the deficit, but we cannot raise taxes or allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire. When asked specifically what he would cut in order to reduce the deficit, ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 22, 10 11:24 AM
Dagdavid has it right, which not for nothing, is what I said in my first comment on this site, over 400 posts ago. That post began "Despite the baseless, knee-jerk opposition, Tim Bishop soldiers on, as voters know. . ." Nothing changes, right? Anyway, I was there at the debate last night, too, and I can't add much to dagdavid's excellent summary, except to note that not only did Randy Altschuler refuse to say where he would cut spending, he also refused to answer Tim Bishop's repeated question ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 22, 10 11:52 AM
On top of all the outsourcing, I'd also like to know if Mr. Altschuler ever had a "resdient geek", like myself, who would have sent alot of his "recycled" computer components to people who could use them, instead of to oblivion.

There are people like the National Cristina Foundation who perform such acts. I have found no reference to his participation with them, whatsoever. This guy is only out for himself, and most likely has ambitions much bigger than Congress.
Oct 22, 10 2:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
Check out "Cloud Blue", and "Green Asset"...
By Mr. Z (9532), North Sea on Oct 22, 10 2:42 PM
dagdavid- you could not have been there because Bishop said nothing because he had nothing to say -- no original ideas, no initiatives, no bills he could call his own. Bishop is an empty suit and he proved it in HB because he had nothing to offer or show for his years in Congress. Hollow man is an apt discription.
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Oct 23, 10 2:04 PM
OK, here it is 7:00 on the evening of Oct. 24 and no one has answered either of my challenges: [1] Find someone anywhere in this district who has personally sought Tim Bishop's help and come away disappointed. [2] Find someone outside the tea party who attended the Oct. 21 debate in Hampton Bays and thinks Randy Altschuler did well. (mrmako, if you were actually at the debate, you're delusional -- Tim said plenty, and it was all solid, practical stuff, as opposed to Randy's platitudes and whining ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 24, 10 7:24 PM
Word from Montauk today is Altschuler outperformed Bishop again at the candidate forum. Someone who was there called me (this person actually likes Bishop) and was surprised at the strong showing by Altschuler. They said it was a spirited debate but Altschuler came away looking smarter, cooler and more articulate. My friend was actually a little disappointed because she likes Bishop and always believed his staff was pretty good. I told her the staff isn't casting those votes to raise taxes and ...more
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Oct 24, 10 8:18 PM
Well, mrmako, I don't know about your "word from Montauk." I wasn't there, so I can't talk about it. (My challenge was restricted to the Oct. 21 debate in Hampton Bays.) If you weren't there at Montauk, that's kind of second-hand, hearsay. Of course, your take on the Hampton Bays debate, which you say you did attend, is so far off the mark that the hearsay on Montauk might just be a better source. Hard to tell.

You speak of "what you will get with Altschuler." What Altschuler himself ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 25, 10 1:04 PM
Hey Bishop .......stop campaigning and get involved in this Fox-cablevision fiasco......im missing hells kitchen and the family guy
By GoldenBoy (325), EastEnd on Oct 25, 10 7:29 PM
Hey GoldenBoy, turns out Tim Bishop came out yesterday strongly backing the FCC's effort to get Fox & Cablevision to the table. This one's not high on my list, but once more, as we see day in and day out, Tim Bishop takes care of business for his constituents. Tim will win, but only if his friends all get out and vote on November 2.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 26, 10 10:32 AM
Just because hes commented on it doesnt mean hes done anything....you should know that by now
By GoldenBoy (325), EastEnd on Oct 26, 10 5:41 PM
And you should know that there's only so much one Congressman can do. In fact, there's not a great deal the whole Congress can do, because this is a contract between private parties. The bully pulpit is about as far as it goes, and Tim has done that, the same as he does everything else he needs to do, every day he's in office. The world isn't perfect, and God knows no politician is, but I'm voting for Tim Bishop on Nov. 2.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 27, 10 11:05 AM
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