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Jan 29, 2018 12:53 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Hampton Bays School District Files $10.6 Million Notice Of Claim Against Town Over Illegal Rentals

The Bel-Aire Cove Motel on Shinnecock Road was one of the dwellings named in the notice of claim from Hampton Bays School District.
Jan 31, 2018 10:41 AM

The Hampton Bays School District filed a notice of claim against Southampton Town last week, detailing plans to sue the municipality for more than $10.6 million—citing the town’s failure to enforce laws against long-term residential use of hotels and motels in the hamlet.

The notice of claim—a first step toward a potential lawsuit—lists 18 Hampton Bays addresses that are “causing (and continuing to cause) damage to the Hampton Bays Union Free School District (and consequently its taxpayers) in unrecovered pupil costs.”

The claim, which was filed on January 23, notes that the district spent more than $10.6 million on the education of students living in the illegal rentals since the 2012-13 school year, and the cost is growing daily.

Board of Education President Kevin Springer, whose signature is on the claim, declined to comment when reached on Monday morning. The Board of Education’s attorney, Mark Rushfield of Shaw, Perelson, May & Lambert, LLP in Poughkeepsie, also declined to comment.

Likewise, Town Attorney James Burke did not respond to requests for comment this week.

The claim notes that the Board of Education fully intends to move forward with the lawsuit if the town doesn’t pay the district $10.6 million in damages.

Illegal rentals in Hampton Bays have been a controversial issue in the hamlet for years.

Fed up with the town’s inaction to regulate long-term stays at the Bel Aire Cove Motel in Hampton Bays—one of the addresses listed in the claim—the Concerned Citizens of Hampton Bays funded a study in 2016 to show how the extra use of the motel’s septic system was polluting nearby Penny Pond.

Michael Dunn and Robert Liner, president and vice president of Concerned Citizens of Hampton Bays, said at the time that their group was so concerned about the pollution from the illegal use of the motel that they were able to gather $5,000 to hire an environmental engineer—P.W. Grosser Consulting Inc., based in Bohemia—to conduct a water quality study.

Mr. Dunn also sits on the Hampton Bays Board of Education.

Concerns over the illegal long-term rentals of motels and overcrowding of residences have repeatedly been aired by Hampton Bays residents at Board of Education and civic meetings for years—and have also been frequently brought to the attention of the town.

In fact, Steven Troyd, a 28-year law enforcement veteran with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, was appointed to head the municipality’s newly created Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness last year, in part, to help the town crack down on code enforcement efforts—specifically on overcrowding.

Within two months of starting his position, Mr. Troyd led a four-day operation that resulted in more than 200 code violations being issued in 42 homes and motels in Hampton Bays and Shinnecock Hills.

Maria Hults, a longtime Hampton Bays resident who handles public relations for the Hampton Bays Civic Association, said she wishes something was done about the illegal rentals before it got to the point that the school district felt it needed to file the notice of claim against the town.

“I think it’s a terrible situation all the way around,” Ms. Hults said. “It’s bad for the students, it’s bad for the school—I don’t know what the solution is.”

Ms. Hults suggested that the root of the issue may lie in the courts and code enforcement, who are giving only “light fines” to offending landlords.

“I think code enforcement has to happen,” Ms. Hults said. “People should be living to code everywhere ... Something has to be done about it, and I don’t think the children should be the ones to pay for it.”

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Please post the notice of claim document or provide a link to where it can be found.
By rburger (77), Remsenburg on Jan 29, 18 1:20 PM
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By The Real World (349), southampton on Jan 29, 18 1:38 PM
My calculations indicate that this sum works out to about $1700 in cumulative property taxes for the average Hampton Bays homeowner.
By rburger (77), Remsenburg on Jan 29, 18 1:44 PM
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And do you think we will get a check for that once the lawsuit is completed?
By cybelep (2), NEW YORK on Jan 29, 18 2:35 PM
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FINALLY!!!!!
By 1bigfish (15), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 1:45 PM
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By The Real World (349), southampton on Jan 29, 18 1:58 PM
... citing.
By William Rodney (508), southampton on Jan 29, 18 2:05 PM
This motel needs to be condemned already!!! Close it down
By Fernie11946 (8), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 2:50 PM
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It is sad that it had to come to this. The citizens of Hampton Bays have had it with being made fools of. HB has been deteriorating for years while the areas around it have been flourishing. The taxpayers and hard working people in HB do not deserve this. It guess all the talking finally got old. "Your actions were speaking so loud, we could not hear a word you were saying".....
By Donna T (9), Hampton bays on Jan 29, 18 3:02 PM
Amen!
By HB90 (151), southampton on Jan 29, 18 3:16 PM
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How about Tuckahoe and Southampton??? Thank your Governor Cuomo about these ILLEGAL people...
By knitter (1486), Southampton on Jan 29, 18 4:03 PM
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I live near this place pictured and it is disgusting. Unfortunately, these places not only house illegals, but they also house elderly. I know of an 80+ year old woman that lives at this motel with her dog. I tried to look into housing at one particular place for her, but it didn't work out. I want this place shut down too, but I don't know what will happen to her and others like her that are almost helpless.
By ec (1), hampton bays on Jan 29, 18 5:26 PM
The Town, County, & State have the resources to find permanent housing. Many of us know the woman with the dog in the carriage.
It should not be left for you or I to find housing. A motel is a motel is a motel. This not only effects the school system but the vitality of the commercial district. Let's see how quickly the NIMBY's east of the canal volunteer for their motels to be used for full time housing.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 6:22 PM
Tuckahoe should follow suit...
By bird (731), Sag Harbor on Jan 29, 18 6:45 PM
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The Town of Southampton has known about this property and many more for a long time now. Get to work and do your job please. Don't force HB citizens to do the job of people who get paid to take care of this stuff! Good job BOE!
By Taylin (4), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 6:46 PM
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Kevin Springer gets things done. About time it’s way out of hand out here.. not to mention every morning the bus stops right in front of the bel aire and picks up 4-6 kids every day and then the parents return to their rooms.
By bigblue84 (57), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 7:08 PM
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How about clean it up. If you let 8 people live in a room they will. The heyday of 80's with clubs and drunken summer partiers are over and frankly not much better. Enforce max occupancy, upkeep etc. Young people could move in and law abiding immigrants. There's not much else around unfortunately.
By lirider (244), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 7:28 PM
Yes it's time to face up to the fact people are making money from the influx of family’s to our school district.If you want to live here understand you have to play by the rules live in safe apartments pay your rent and provide accurate information to school district.if you want to rent your property comply with the local code conditions and we wil live together..
By watchdog1 (486), Southampton on Jan 29, 18 7:56 PM
Great job Mike. Mike Dunn has been working hard for Hampton Bays for a LONG time. He has done more for us than any politician.
By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 8:24 PM
Let's all just hope that this tactic works, it's about time we turned the tables on these crooked politicians.
By HamptonDad (169), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 9:40 PM
Very hard to understand why single home landlords must get a rental permit, multiple town inspections, and sink a lot of $ into getting "up to code" while entire families are living in motel rooms? Why are motel owners exempt from the same rental standards as everyone else? Makes you wonder....
By kercor (4), Floral Park on Jan 29, 18 10:28 PM
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I agree. Simply because it is easier and less disruptive with less backlash. Smoke detectors yes but some of the up to code things are something you wouldn't do in your own home. Make everyone follow the rules or not at all.
By lirider (244), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 5:37 AM
Actually it is only HONEST single home landlords! There are so many slumlords who illegally rent these houses to multiple families. They landlord makes a killing while the school must educate numerous children without proper funding, not to mention the unsafe environment for the tenants. I don't care where you fall on the political spectrum, this is just wrong for everyone.
By seriously concerned (6), Southampton on Jan 31, 18 12:13 PM
East Hampton Town has had for many years code regarding the number of inhabitants in a house given the square footage of the bedrooms. However, rather than enforce the existing code they added the "Rental Registry" to collect a few dollars and add another layer of bureaucracy.
By Rich Morey (331), East Hampton on Feb 3, 18 4:21 PM
Until a supply of decent reasonably priced rentals becomes available the problem will continue. The demand for affordable housing is strong while supply is extremely limited. The resources do not exist to relocate all the affected tenants, even if it was handled in the selective discriminatory method suggested for "the lady with the dog" or any other individual..

Every time a proposal for decent new rental housing is made the same people who decry situations such as this come out in opposition. ...more
By VOS (1118), WHB on Jan 29, 18 11:07 PM
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Hampton Bays taxpayers cannot handle the strain any more with the increased density - not just wear and tear on our schools, but on our environment, first res ponders, code enforcement. Turning it into legal density is not the answer. We can't go back, but the Town has known about this for years and should have been making arrangements including affordable housing outside of Hampton Bays. Instead, they did nothing and never even developed a plan. The time is today.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Jan 29, 18 11:26 PM
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Mark GA Lombardi down as one of those who, now that he is here, wants to pull the gates closed behind him.
Jan 31, 18 10:39 PM appended by VOS
Lest someone misconstrue an attack on one's thoughts and words as a personal attack just read the words "HB taxpayers cannot handle the stress", "turning it into legal density is not the answer" and wanting "affordable housing outside of Hampton Bays." In other words, "Not In My Back Yard!" Ms. Lombardi should also be made aware that not having affordable housing for our young people forces them away from their own community and puts additional stress on our volunteer fire and ambulance services to find adequate staffing.
By VOS (1118), WHB on Jan 30, 18 10:39 PM
Wow, first of all it is she not he. This is typical - when people can't attack an issue with facts - they attack a person. Residents and officials have vilified, marginalized, demonized the good hard working people of Hampton Bays. Visualize a life boat for 10 and there are 15 people that need to be saved. The 10 in the life boat can't save the other 5, but those in charge can. Those with lifeboats with 5& 6 seem to be enjoying the extra room and are hesitant to let anyone else in.
Jan 31, 18 7:37 AM appended by G.A.Lombardi
In response to your amended comment, my life boat scenario holds. The situation with the young people staying is outside the scope of this thread - that is just what happens especially when young people go away to college.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 7:37 AM
Have you noted the price of a home here, Ms. Lombardi? A young person who is recently out of college with a mountain of debt more than likely can't afford to live in their hometown.
By Mr. Z (10561), North Sea on Feb 1, 18 6:03 AM
That is not unique to Hampton Bays.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 6:34 PM
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The CCHB put together a binder full of properties that in their extremely biased and unprofessional opinion, were overcrowded houses full of illegal aliens. I should know, because I lived with 4 adult male friends at one, which was legally a rental home, and got a knock on the door from code enforcement around that time — because, good lord, what upstanding family would have 5 cars out front? Even went so far as to request (sue for, if my memory serves me right but could be wrong here) student ...more
By Brandon Quinn (154), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 1:11 AM
Mr. Quinn, please provide your address since I would like to put in a complaint on SOS and ask the Town to serve you and your friends with an eviction notice. You are only allowed 3 unrelated people and 3 cars. You made the point that everyone is making, that the Town is not enforcing the rules. Stop with the racist nonsense. I don't care if your last name is Quinn or Gomez, I don't want a illegally overcrowded house in Hampton Bays even if you don't have children. The area is zoned ONE FAMILY. ...more
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 4:04 AM
Yes, please stop with the race card and I'm not white. It's about following the law. They became laws for a reason. Better yet, enforce the law and you won't have these problems. Problems that didn't happen overnight. The motel eviction/evacuation is basically telling people to leave with no place to go in this shortage. Too many people...
By lirider (244), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 5:45 AM
It appears the claim is for monetary damages for certain known illegally used property - not eviction. If you know any of the BOE and the Administration, then you know that these people are the best of the best in our community and for anyone to say anything else without proof is libelous. You raise a good point that the Town's inactivity and/or incompetence for a decade dealing with the illegal use of property has now put the burden on the individuals living in what has been reported as deplorable ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 7:14 AM
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By NateNewtown (57), east on Jan 30, 18 8:45 AM
You claim the town "could legally do nothing about most of the addresses". What did the Town do about the ones that they could legally do something about?
By bb (803), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 9:21 AM
What remedies do you propose?
By yogi1 (11), on Feb 1, 18 1:28 PM
Brave
By SlimeAlive (982), Southampton on Jan 30, 18 6:49 AM
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What about North Sea? Its not just an HB issue....
By North Sea Citizen (501), North Sea on Jan 30, 18 10:00 AM
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By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Jan 30, 18 12:10 PM
Take away the freebies. Food stamp, free health care, free schooling, etc, etc... Hospital emergency rooms are a farce. Kids with flu, colds and minor aches in the emergency room getting free care. They don't have Obama care, they don't pay.
Kids get dropped off in tuckahoe by car to go to school, not residents. A friend moved to tuckahoe school and had to prove where he resided. Never check others.
By knitter (1486), Southampton on Jan 30, 18 1:05 PM
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Sounds like you should've stayed in school
By johnj (898), Westhampton on Jan 30, 18 1:11 PM
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Seems like the focus of this conversation should be on the town and the landlords, it doesn't really matter who resides in these places, only that the town and owners allow it.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (574), southampton on Jan 30, 18 3:07 PM
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A brilliant lawyer: Hey, HB school board, I have a great idea! Why don’t you go sell your overzealous, racist electorate this lawsuit over all the illegals in the hamlet, draining our school tax dollars.

HBSB: Ok, who are we suing though?

Brilliant lawyer: lol, get this. We’re going to have them sue THEMSELVES for $10 million, and when we win and they lose, you guys can get $8 million and I’ll just take the rest! We’ll just say it’s Southampton that ...more
By Brandon Quinn (154), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 10:40 AM
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You call people "illegals" and then the other side "racists". Just debate the facts.
By lirider (244), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 4:15 PM
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By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 11:09 AM
I agree PR. Since Mr. Quinn admitted he is renting in Hampton Bays and lives in an illegally overcrowded house with his buddies, that maybe he wants to protect his own illegal living arrangements. I suspect that he hopes by calling people racist that we will back down from asking the Town to enforce the rules.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 11:21 AM
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Mr Quinn is just having fun with so many of you ,,,,,he is an upstanding member of our community and would give you the shirt off his back,,,,,i know because he gave me one,unfortunately it was three sizes too big way to go Brandon.
By watchdog1 (486), Southampton on Jan 31, 18 6:07 PM
Sorry watchdog, but calling well respected members of our community racist is not "just having fun" - it is libelous.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 7:03 PM
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Quinn is a renter, not a home owner and therefore does not pay PROPERTY TAXES, school or town taxes. He calls people racist and clowns. Quinn does not have a wife or children to support. I do have a wife and four children to feed, house and educate and can not afford higher taxes. Deadly fires caused by overcrowding kill people regardless of race.
By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Jan 31, 18 10:17 PM
Congratulations! You win the idiotic post of the week award. Of course he pays property taxes which cover both schools and the town portion. He pays them through his landlord or were you of the impression that landlords simply disregard their tax burden when pricing rental units? Additionally, Quinn pays those taxes without the benefit of tax deductions. If you believe tax deductions are inconsequential, you haven't been paying attention to the news the past couple of months. And finally, ...more
By VOS (1118), WHB on Feb 1, 18 3:41 AM
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No VOS, Quinn pays rent, not property taxes, big difference. Quinn, his buddies and his landlord are all in violation of town code. Quinn pays a fractional part of rent in a share house. My children go to private school, not Hampton Bays schools.
By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 6:47 AM
Oh, good! That's one place you can save a few bucks, if you really can't afford to feed or house your family.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4234), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 18 7:01 AM
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Everyone needs to follow the rules - I don't see why some of the people that post don't see that. I am a CPA and the rules are the riles are the rules. Next time you get audited - let me know how some of your arguments work for you. There is blank and white - or in my business black and red. I purchased an illegally overcrowded group rental that have 4 extra rooms in a 1200 sf house. The rest of the taxpayers paid the cost for the 2 extra families living in my house while the owner only paid ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 7:08 AM
Everyone needs to follow the rules - I don't see why some of the people that post don't see that. I am a CPA and the rules are the riles are the rules. Next time you get audited - let me know how some of your arguments work for you. There is blank and white - or in my business black and red. I purchased an illegally overcrowded group rental that have 4 extra rooms in a 1200 sf house. The rest of the taxpayers paid the cost for the 2 extra families living in my house while the owner only paid ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 7:08 AM
The very precise figure given as damages works out to about $2 million/year. The claim also states that the damages are ongoing.

Will the HB Board of Ed provide a detailed line item budget for the district that identifies the savings from closing the properties listed in the claim?
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 1, 18 9:42 AM
First and foremost, this is sad that these actions are needed in every way to get the government to do what is right. It shows that government cannot get it right for the community.

Savings? There are no savings and the extra costs placed on the Hampton Bays school system along with the infrastructure. Rules need to be followed and enforced. The government (SHT and Judges) have placed people in danger with the overcrowding and the burden on the town.

Solution:
1. Landlords ...more
By ZGerry (25), Hamptons on Feb 1, 18 11:17 AM
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By Brandon Quinn (154), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 10:57 AM
I agree on substance, but cringe at style...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4234), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 18 11:04 AM
Mr. Quinn, you are using very fuzzy math - the same math that Mr. Schneiderman used when he said the school taxes went down when they actually went up. A house pays a finite amount for real estate taxes based on the assessed value for a one-family house.
The landlord can charge what he wants, but that never gets to the tax rolls. Some of these landlords (including the house I purchased) charged way more to the tenants, but that has has no effect on the amount remitted to the Town and School ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 11:13 AM
Mr. Quinn's math, fuzzy or not, has been deleted but he certainly is paying his fair share of taxes and , at the same time, is putting minimal strain on resources.

Let's hypothetically put Mr. Quinn, et al in a five bedroom house next to an identical five bedroom house occupied by Mr. Revere and his family. Taxes are identical for both houses; one is occupied by five adults the other by two adults and four children.

One house will put zero burden on the school district the other ...more
By VOS (1118), WHB on Feb 1, 18 3:14 PM
VOS, I have lived in Hampton Bays for almost 20 in two different 4 bedroom houses without children. There are probably 80% of homeowners that don't have children. I gladly pay for my neighbors kids to go to school, because I believe a good education is critical. The Town is designed for one family homes and motels for the most part not illegal multi-family homes and illegal use of motels. It puts a strain on the school and on the taxpayers and bottom line it is wrong and illegal.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 5:42 PM
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What's your point creating figures of home occupancy? I agree 100% that motels should be used as motels, they were never built to supply anything other than temporary housing. Today, however, there no longer is a market for temporary housing but there is a huge demand for affordable permanent housing.

Mr. Quinn and his fellow renters are victimized by this shortage. There is no reason why the five people in his home should not be permitted when the house next door may be legally occupied ...more
Feb 2, 18 2:23 AM appended by VOS
Also, it is my understanding that residential property, even multi-family residential is assessed at a higher rate than the income potential method of commercial property. If these illegally utilized motels were converted to legitimate residential housing would they not produce more tax revenue for the town and school districts while at the same time reducing occupancy? Perhaps our resident CPA can clarify this issue.
By VOS (1118), WHB on Feb 2, 18 2:23 AM
First of all there are rules and everyone is required to follow them and there should be consequences when they don't. I don't see what part of that you are missing. As I said, let me know how that works when you get audited. Regarding the zoning, much of Hampton Bays was zoning for smaller lots i.e. R20 to allow for the working middle class to PURCHASE homes and enjoy the felling of home ownership - not for investors to come into the community and rent to as many people as they can. There ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 10:16 AM
Where do you get the bizarre notion that there is some sort of legal requirement, or even tacit understanding, that housing in Hampton Bays, or anywhere in the Town is controlled by zoning to be occupied by "PURCHASERS" of the property? Are you actually implying that the "rules and regulations" that you are so anxious to support require owner occupancy? What are the consequences? Who is doing the auditing?

You can list a handful of rental properties in the area but you can't state that ...more
By VOS (1118), WHB on Feb 2, 18 3:40 PM
I am really not sure what the points you are trying to make about the zoning in HB. HB's historic zoning is smaller lots and based on presentations from previous administrations, this was by design for working class families to own housing. Obviously, there is the rental permit law that allows for rental properties and those laws also need to be followed. These particular code and rental laws are "audited" by code enforcement and the penalties are the consequences. Yes, I am aware of the list ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 5:48 PM
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By Brandon Quinn (154), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 11:21 AM
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By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 11:32 AM
Go Springer Boiiiinnngg!!! never been prouder of you. You've come a long way.
By baymen82 (2), hampton bays on Feb 1, 18 11:37 AM
I'm trying to follow this and if I'm not mistaken, this appears to be the issue.

A one bedroom hotel room that was meant to accommodate from 1-2 people for a short-term stay, is now being used to accommodate as many as 2-3 families all using the same address for residential year-round occupancy, including multiple school aged children, whose families non-disclosed income qualifies them for financial education relief and free lunch, placing a tremendous burden on the tax payers of Hampton ...more
By pigroast (67), East Quogue on Feb 1, 18 11:50 AM
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What are the specific costs that the Hampton Bays School District incurs? The claim filed by the attorney has a very specific number, which is about $2 million/year. Where is the line item budget that shows the school budget with the extra students at the addresses in the claim and without?

I'm no attorney, but I have watched the People's Court on occasion, and I know that documenting your claim is important.

As for the claim that the East Quogue school district is overtaxed, ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 1, 18 12:06 PM
About time the town is held accountable for their inaction. Bravo, HB School Board
By yogi1 (11), on Feb 1, 18 1:12 PM
Why are angry white people so bad at math?
By even flow (782), East Hampton on Feb 1, 18 1:38 PM
I’m no attorney, but I’ve watch People Court on occasion. That’s Classic.. lol
By Tomjulie (43), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 4:59 PM
CPA joke - 6 out of 5 people are bad at math
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 6:17 PM
Yes, Judge Judy always asks for pictures of the damages and the receipts for the repair work for any claim. Are there pictures of the costs that the children who live at these addresses? Since things like a $3 million roof to replace an old roof and an electrical bill for $565,000 per year are going to get spent regardless of whether these 65 students are in the district or not, the pictures will be of teachers that are hired especially to teach these kids. Are there pictures?
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 2, 18 9:36 AM
There are fixed and variable costs that average to an average cost per student. I suspect you know that so I am not sure of the point. They don't cost out every single child's expense. However, with the extra children and the annual tax cap, less monies are available to spend per child. I have no ties to the school, but that is just cost accounting - exchanges students for widgets - the students are much cuter.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 1:07 PM
Cost accounting -- figuring out the average cost per student against various fixed and variable expenses -- is useful for improving productivity in creating better results for widgets -- in the case of education, superior results like graduation rates, test results and college acceptance. That doesn't apply in the case of assessing liability to the Town of Southampton by the HB Board of Education.

Does anyone really think that if all 65 of the children alleged to be residing at these ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 3, 18 11:08 AM
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and there are several ways to approach the solution. It seems to be this is the one the BOE has determined the way they approach the solution. If it were not for the kids coming from the motels, the budget can be spread across a lower number of students - smaller classes, less services etc. The school must teach everyone in the district, therefore due to the Town's lack of enforcement of illegal USE, they are requesting the monies to better educate the ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 18 3:12 PM
Hampton Bays is lucky to have people like Mike Dunn, Mr & Mrs Liner and Ms Lombardi who have been fighting for years to get the Town Of Southampton to enforce the Motel Usage Laws and the zoning laws that limit one family occupancy in a house zoned for one family. The fact that communities like Hampton Bays, Eastport Manor and East Quogue are paying five to ten times the school tax rate as towns like Southampton and Quogue is unfair. Towns like Hampton Bays are housing and educating the children ...more
By Ernie (77), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 8:49 PM
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Thank you Ernie, but I came late to the party but got involved after I reviewed all the facts and figures as a CPA and felt the need to stand up for the good hard working people of Hampton Bays who were being ignored and demonized by members of the Town Board and some of the activists. We all love Hampton Bays - we are not a bunch of chicken littles, we see its potential, but enough is enough. It is not Jay Schneiderman's fault this happened, but he promised us he would fix it two years ago. ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 18 9:24 PM
When did the Town of Southampton buy the Bel Aire Cove? Did they seize it after fining it for the violations? I missed that memo. And then the Town is placing indigent families there?

If we're paying $30,000 per year per kid ($2 million year/65 kids) why not just offer $20,000 to the families of these kids to move out of town and then tear down the Bel Aire Cove. That might be a quicker way to mitigate damages in this claim. Because initiating a lawsuit against the Town seems like ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 2, 18 9:52 AM
What makes you think the Town owns the Bel Aire? Are you thinking of the Hidden Cove they purchased years ago with CPF monies.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 11:06 AM
I thought since the HB Board of Education was suing the Town that the Town was responsible. If the property is still owned by the family identified and interviewed by 27east last year -- "Jagannath Jayaswal, whose family has owned and operated the two-story motel since 1988" -- then shouldn't the lawsuit be against them? If this is only a publicity stunt, congrats to the school board -- the story has been picked up by Newsday and a local news affiliate -- but I am not sure I want my tax dollars ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 3, 18 11:31 AM
Those are strong accusations and I doubt you have any proof to back them up. The lawsuit is against the Town for allowing the illegal use of motels to continue. It is up to the Town to sue the motel for not following the rules.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 18 3:28 PM
Ask yourself this question:
Do you think that if all the kids living at the addresses listed in the "claim" were to leave tomorrow, would the next Hampton Bays School Budget be lower? By how much? According to the claim about $2 million lower.

1) If the answer is "yes" then I look forward to seeing that lower budget as support for the "claim".

2) If the answer is "no" then why was the "claim" filed? To close down sub-standard housing in Hampton Bays? Then this is a political ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 4, 18 9:48 AM
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It seems you have a conspiracy theory all worked out. Maybe you should start to put tinfoil on your windows soon too. I hear the CCHB has convinced the FBI to put up large antennas to listen to our conversations too.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 18 2:18 PM
Has Code Enforcement done a follow up investigation of the Bad Aire to insure compliance? The Town does not own the dump. Does anyone know who does own the place?
By P. Revere (92), hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 1:18 PM
IIt is interesting to note that in the paper version there is an interview with Maria Hults of the Hampton Bays Civic Association Board voicing her concern regarding this issue. It was refreshing to see that the HBCA Board realizes what an important issue this is to the community. It seemed to have fallen off their radar in the past few years and in fact it seemed that they were not that supportive of the efforts of CCHB. Kudos to the HBCA Board for realizing the importance of this issue.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 18 4:31 PM
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Before the invasion a SINGLE family lived in a home , school taxes were paid and a few kids attended school. Fast forward to today, MULTIPLE families now live in the home, each sending a few kids to school forcing school taxes to rise exponentially. By rigorously enforcing both residency requirements for students and occupancy law for residences, this problem could be remediated.
By bigfresh (3759), north sea on Feb 3, 18 12:27 PM
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I read in Newsday that Sister Moor is not happy with the reports that children are living in substandard and dangerous housing.What other motels are being investigated by code inforcement inforcement.Is child protection services involved in making sure the kids are safe.I hope it will not take a tragedy at one of these flee pits to resolve this disgraceful issue.
By watchdog1 (486), Southampton on Feb 3, 18 5:17 PM
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Maybe we need to ask Sr. Moore what she has done in the 15 years she has been assisting those living in HB. She is as responsible as the Town for the situation. I believe she goes home to a waterfront estate in Sag Harbor paid for by charitable donations at the end of the day - no bedbugs, no roaches, no overflowing cesspools.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 18 8:15 PM
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Jay Schneiderman has known about this issue for several years, He is not being truthful saying he is surprised to hear about the law suit. The HB School Board sent Jay a letter in June 2017 stating that it was considering this law suit. There have been several community meeting where Jay attended and he and the other town board members were provided with detailed information on the problem of motels zoned as transient housing being used as housing for full time residents. The Concerned Citizens ...more
By Ernie (77), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 18 1:10 PM
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Man I wish all posts were as rational as this one. Thank you, Ernie.
I hope that others approach this issue with the same attitude.
By Craigcat (242), Speonk on Feb 7, 18 5:20 PM
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Ernie, I agree - I see the main issue is that the Town has let this issue fester for at least 5 years and really has never offered a plan of action to correct it. Julie Lofstad spoke at Open Session on 9-23-14 before she was elected as a Town Councilperson about this issue as part of the CCHB. What really has been done about it? Anna Throne-Holts' reply was that this was a product of Hampton Bays being zoned for "working middle class" as if the working middle class does not deserve the same ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 8:06 AM
Let me add one more economic metric - a back of the envelopment calculation indicates that 80% of taxpayers do not have children in the school district. Eighty cents of every dollar that is spent at the school comes from a taxpayer that doesn't have a child in the school district (the silent majority scholarship fund donors). Many cannot vote since they may vote elsewhere, but they will vote with their feet,
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 8:28 AM
Why does the HB Board of Education spending money on a lawyer for the Concerned Citizens of HB want? Is it the same organization?

If your answer is "the HB School District" is spending taxpayer money on extra students at the addresses listed in the "claim", then please tell me how much less the budget will be when those extra students leave. The current budget is $50 million per year. What will it decrease to when this process of evicting everyone from the addresses listed is completed?
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 8, 18 4:32 PM
It seems like you have a fundamental idea that the CCHB and BOE is the same that cannot be explained away with the fact that it is not. You also seem to have a fundamental idea that the monies will not be used to either better educate the children or returned to the taxpayers. I doubt anyone is delusional that the taxes will go down. You aer certainly entitled to your opinion to leave things the way they are even though it is against the zoning code and the reported conditions are unsafe.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 5:32 PM
Ms. Lombardi: the tax monies that go to the Hampton Bays School District are for the education of schoolchildren, not to advance the causes of the Concerned Citizens of Hampton Bays, whatever the merits of their complaints. If the CCHB wants to hire an attorney to promote their causes, that is their right. And if the taxes that are paid for the educational budget of Hampton Bays do NOT go down, that this is "delusional" to expect, then what is this proposed claim for $10 million+? I ask again, ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 8, 18 5:39 PM
I do not understand why you don't understand that this is an issue related to the education of the children in the school notwithstanding what CCHB does or does not do. Why don't you go to the School Board meeting on Tuesday night and ask the school board. I am not associated with the school or the CCHB leadership, but I understand the mission and responsibility of both being separate and distinct, but related.
By G.A.Lombardi (207), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 6:29 PM
I think you're saying that there's no hope of tax savings but the quality of the education will improve once the children at the addresses listed in the "claim" are no longer taking a share of the $50 million/year school budget. I don't believe that, but more importantly most of the focus in this thread has been citizens hoping for lower taxes. The much more efficient way to achieve that goal would be to cut the school budget. First by requiring all 3 school unions to receive one single health ...more
By dfree (548), hampton bays on Feb 9, 18 2:50 PM
The suit is not political. It is about our school; the children and teachers.

Bravo HBSB. Bravo!

This is to compensate for the failures our local Government on behalf of the resident tax payers of Hampton Bays. In this case against the Southampton Town.
By ZGerry (25), Hamptons on Feb 11, 18 10:54 PM
halloween, party, sag harbor,