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Mar 7, 2018 11:08 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Leaders Accuse Zeldin Of Making 'Misleading' Comments About Hampton Bays During White House Visit

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, right, met with President Donald Trump and Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen at the White House on February 6, to talk about ways to combat the MS-13 gang.     COURTESY KATIE VINCENTZ
Mar 8, 2018 1:38 PM

Southampton Town officials have accused U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin of making “false or misleading statements” about ongoing code enforcement efforts in Hampton Bays—a hamlet that is home to many immigrants from Central and South America—during a visit to the White House last month.

In a letter sent on February 22 to the Republican congressman, and signed by four of the five Town Board members—Republican Councilwoman Christine Scalera was the lone holdout—the officials also challenged Mr. Zeldin’s statement that gang activity has increased in the hamlet. They maintain that he procured his information from a recent notice of claim filed by the Hampton Bays School District against the municipality, citing allegations and not actual facts or law enforcement statistics.

In its claim filed last month, the school district states that it plans to sue the town for more than $10.6 million in damages, citing its failure to enforce laws that prevent the long-term residential use of the hamlet’s motels and hotels. That lack of enforcement, the litigation alleges, has resulted in a sharp increase in student enrollment in the Hampton Bays School District’s three schools.

On February 6, Mr. Zeldin met with President Donald Trump, Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, and assorted members of Congress and law enforcement to discuss ways to combat the gang MS-13. During the roundtable discussion, Mr. Zeldin pointed to instances of inadequate code enforcement in Southampton Town, specifically in Hampton Bays, and also suggested that certain gangs, like MS-13, are slowly making their presence known in his congressional district.

Mr. Zeldin told President Trump at last month’s meeting that “489 motel rooms in Hampton Bays [are] occupied by illegal immigrants who use this housing year-round. Residents have asked the Town of Southampton to enforce the town’s safety codes and force the motel owners to comply with local law enforcement, and in Hampton Bays—as a result, years later … one year after another of Southampton Town not doing the right thing with code enforcement, MS-13 is committing heinous crimes in Hampton Bays, in the Town of Southampton.”

When reached this week, Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said that there are 489 motel rooms total in Hampton Bays, and that not all of them have been illegally converted into year-round apartments. He also said he does not know how many of the rooms are being rented by undocumented workers, explaining that the town lacks the authority to investigate the immigration status of tenants.

In a three-page letter signed by Mr. Schneiderman, Councilmen John Bouvier and Tommy John Schiavoni, and Councilwoman Julie Lofstad—all Democrats—as well as Code Compliance and Public Safety Administrator Steven Troyd, the town officials insist that Mr. Zeldin’s comments to President Trump were “misleading.” They note that the town issued more than 800 code violations last year alone, many in the hamlet of Hampton Bays, and that they are aware of only a single confirmed criminal incident involving MS-13 in the municipality.

That incident involved the raiding of a Hampton Bays home last July that Southampton Town Police Chief Steven Skrynecki said had been transformed into a brothel overseen by MS-13 members, town officials said. Authorities arrested eight people—five men and three women—on an assortment of prostitution and drug charges.

In an interview this week, Mr. Zeldin noted that seven of the eight people arrested in that raid were ultimately deported.

“The MS-13 issue is in many places on Long Island, and Hampton Bays certainly isn’t seeing the worst of it,” Mr. Zeldin said. “But anyone trying to claim that there is no issue is, unfortunately, turning a blind eye to reality.”

Mr. Zeldin also noted that the four men arrested following a double stabbing outside Charlie Brown’s Bar and Grill in Hampton Bays in May 2016 were charged with two counts of first-degree gang assault, a felony, and were also originally connected to MS-13. The stabbing left two Riverhead men hospitalized.

The men—Carlos Gutierrez-Zacupa of Flanders; Nelvin Ramos-Andrades of Hampton Bays; Luis Linares-Chavez of Westhampton; and Marvin Siciliano-Nunez of Hampton Bays—ultimately were released and escaped prosecution because prosecutors did not have enough forensic evidence to present the case to a grand jury.

The four men involved in the double stabbing were originally charged with gang assault because of the number of people involved in the brawl that took place outside the bar in a nearby parking lot, though authorities later said they also had connections to the MS-13 gang.

A few months later, Mr. Siciliano-Nunez was arrested again for breaking into a house and sexually assaulting a woman in Southampton Village. After his arrest, authorities continued to point to Mr. Siciliano-Nunez’s alleged connection to MS-13.

Still, Mr. Schneiderman said it is unfair to automatically imply that those lacking proper documentation are affiliated with gangs. “Not every Latino who commits a crime is connected to a gang,” He said.

He added that he thinks Mr. Zeldin is throwing Hampton Bays under the bus to win the support of President Trump and his polarizing immigration policies—including his plan to end chain migration and build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“His comments are false—they are not true,” Mr. Schneiderman said of the congressman. “He can defend them all he wants, but they are not true. The facts don’t support his position.”

This week, Mr. Zeldin acknowledged that he pulled some of the information he shared with President Trump from the notice of claim filed by the Hampton Bays School District. He did note, however, that he has met several times with Chief Skrynecki, as well as officials from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, to discuss the widening influence of gangs in Suffolk County.

“Every community wants the quality of life … [and] perception of their town to be as positive as possible,” Mr. Zeldin said. “That is a really important goal … This is a challenge that communities across America are facing as well.”

Chief Skrynecki did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

As for the congressman’s other claims, Mr. Schneiderman said the town is “aggressively” enforcing its codes to prevent the overcrowding of homes and the illegal conversion of motels and hotels into year-round apartments. He added that the town has written violations and is now battling many motel and hotel owners in court.

The supervisor also noted that the town’s efforts have doubled since the hiring of Mr. Troyd, a 28-year law enforcement veteran with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He pointed to one code enforcement operation in which more than 200 violations were issued in Hampton Bays over just four days last year.

“There’s no way to me that anyone can say the town isn’t enforcing the code,” Mr. Schneiderman said.

Mr. Zeldin acknowledged Mr. Schneiderman’s efforts to amp up code enforcement, though he noted that there is still more work that needs to be done. “That’s something you really need to build on,” Mr. Zeldin said on Monday.

Councilwoman Christine Scalera, the Town Board’s lone Republican, was the only board member not to sign the letter to Mr. Zeldin. When reached this week, she explained that she opted not to add her signature because she viewed it as nothing more than political posturing by her Democratic counterparts on the dais. “It had more political undertones than I feel comfortable with,” she said.

She also suggested that Mr. Zeldin used Hampton Bays as a way to talk about the nation’s immigration policies with the president, adding that they need to be fixed.

Ms. Scalera is now working with Mr. Zeldin’s office to secure federal funding so the town can eventually hire a “problem-oriented officer” who could assist with community policing.

“I didn’t think this letter 
was particularly helpful to get that,” she said, referring to the funding.

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Everyone listening to this dolt gets instantly bored. Everyone in the picture is sleeping.
By harbor (376), East Hampton on Mar 7, 18 12:02 PM
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MS13 gang activity has increased 100% in two years in Southampton.



By ZGerry (34), Hamptons on Mar 8, 18 9:02 PM
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... Trump's out cold.
By William Rodney (514), southampton on Mar 7, 18 12:14 PM
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We finally have a President who holds open meetings to air many opinions and try to problem-solve, and all you can do is complain. MAGA
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:20 PM
Trump was very involved in this meeting - was NOT sleeping - maybe you should watch it before making hasty comments. Too bad Obama NEVER did anything llike this.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:22 PM
Can you please specify what you mean by "like this"?

I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but before I take a swing I want to know where the goalposts are.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 12:26 PM
I mean open, bipartisan, tranparent, broadcasted meetings. If not for that, no one would know who said what. Holds all responsible to their constituents for comments. A bold move I'm sure make many politicians very uncomfortable. A great idea.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:38 PM
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So what I'm hearing is that Obama never held a meeting with lawmakers from both parties that was televised, right?

I guess the healthcare summit, attended by both parties and televised live on February 25, 2010, doesn't count. And that was just the first Google result.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 12:46 PM
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You may think I'm mixing my metaphors, but it does take a swing of the leg to get one through the uprights, does it not? :D
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 6:01 PM
The only problem we have to solve is how to get rid of Trump, then we can go about running the country.
By Fred s (1650), Southampton on Mar 7, 18 12:24 PM
And go back to the mess Trump inherited? ISIS is beaten, tax cuts for middle class, etc...etc.... He won because half of America was disgusted with state of the country - like it or not.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:35 PM
Half of America is still disgusted with the state of the country, like it or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 12:37 PM
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oh well we lasted 8 you can too
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 7, 18 12:55 PM
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Or we could vote the bums out!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 1:21 PM
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and who would you like to replace the bums with?
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 7, 18 2:43 PM
The bums who say they'll do what I want them to do, of course!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 10:01 PM
There are plenty of them out there. Problem is they don’t do what they say they will do.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 9, 18 2:40 AM
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Of course they do, the question is whether they'll actually do it. In any event, I'd rather vote for a bum who might do something I want than a bum who'll definitely do something I don't want.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 5:58 AM
Hillary lost. A bad candidate on many fronts. America needed a change - one that Obama promised a decade age and never delivered. I know - I voted for him TWICE. A big disappointment. Divided our country over race and was weak on ISIS. Give someone else a chance. At least he's trying. I'm sick and tired of the ancient politicians still trying to do things their way. Dems need younger and more moderate candidates. No term limits for congress but can't contain themselves when Trump JOKES about ...more
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:48 PM
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Fore - Keep Googling. 8 Years and how many televised meetings? If I'm wrong I'll admit it. 13 months in and Trump is making it a regular thing.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 12:55 PM
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How many will it take to get you to admit you're wrong?

Again, just trying to check where goalposts are, since you've already changed the definition of "never"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 1:16 PM
You’re talking about golf, right?
By mcheck57 (4), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 5:21 PM
I gotta remember not to use sports metaphors in mixed company.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 5:30 PM
You win. Never say never. I just do not remember seeing Obama having open, bipartisan, televised meetings like this. As for voting them out - The powers in Washington rule. We have very limited choices as both parties keep their lobbiest supported candidates on the ballot. No wonder why USA has such low voter turnout. No real choices. Trump threw them a curve they weren't expecting. Bravo. That's why he got my vote. Washington needed a shakeup.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 7, 18 1:36 PM
I always found it a great irony that what is needed most (viable parties other than Dem/Rep) will never be proposed by either of them.

In any event, the first candidate to propose a change toward a parliamentary democracy has my vote!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 1:42 PM
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Obama never really had a bipartisan meeting regarding health care. The whole thing was a sham just like Obamacare itself. Nothing more than a money grab by big pharma and health insurance companies
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 7, 18 2:46 PM
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What do you think "bipartisan" means?

In this context, we're saying members and views from both parties were represented.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 3:12 PM
@razza5350: Have time for a little fact checking? What a shame that clever political propaganda leaves Americans with such erroneous impressions. You do know that Obamacare came straight out of the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation think tank, and was uncontroversial and successful in Massachusetts under Mitt Romney, do you not? Read this piece from USA TODAY and learn the actual facts of how many bipartisan meetings there were and the deviousness of a Republican party that favored ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 7, 18 3:29 PM
@Taz: Ever realize President Obama wasn't a flim-flammer like this lying low-life now conning you? Whose behavior is equivalent to his play-acting in The Apprentice? He agrees with a need for tightened gun laws during the sham meetings, then does an about-face the next day after LaPierre puts a gun to his head?
As for "openness", may I suggest you consider press conferences as a test. In his first year in office, President Obama held 11, and trump held 1. Ever ask yourself why ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 7, 18 4:04 PM
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Why are the motels on Shinnecock still open? bell aire should be condemned
By Fernie11946 (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 1:44 PM
Didn't Julie Lofstad campaign as a crusader for Hampton Bays going after hubs of gang activity like CB's?
By Gillnetter (102), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 2:31 PM
Zeldin is dangerous for our community. He co-sponsored the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, which allows anyone from any state to come to NY carrying concealed automatic weapons. Some states have no restrictions on concealed weapons and gang members there can legally carry until they are convicted of a crime. Zeldin invites them all here with their weapons. Zeldin has turned into a politician who will say anything to get re-elected. But he doesn't care about our town, as his sponsorship of the ...more
By Bayman (31), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 3:03 PM
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By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Mar 7, 18 3:18 PM
CCW reciprocity is a bad idea because, as Bayman alluded to, different states have different policies and we have no reason to trust that Georgia or Florida know what's good for New York better than we do.

The rest of ME's criticisms are fair.
Mar 7, 18 3:25 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Since they were deleted, in sum and substance ME took up issue with Bayman's characterization of "anyone" (which should have read "people issued CCW permits") and "automatic weapons" (which, while legal to own in the U.S. under certain circumstances, are not covered under any CCW permit).
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 3:25 PM
Julie Lofstad is dangerous for our community. She was supposed to stand up for the Hampton Bays community. so much for that. Thank you Lee Zeldin for standing up for Hampton Bays.
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 3:39 PM
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Yes I meant Semi-automatic handguns. And 7 states don't require any permits to carry concealed weapons.
By Bayman (31), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 3:43 PM
Lee Zeldin doesn't Hampton Bays, only about getting re-elected.
By Bayman (31), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 3:46 PM
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From my cursory reading, it looks like jurisdictions without any required CCW permits still issue them for reciprocity purposes...except for Vermont, apparently, which only achieves reciprocity in a liimited number of states that have similar Constitutional Carry laws in effect.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 3:52 PM
To be clear: In several states it is very easy to buy and carry concealed semi-automatic weapons (easier than getting a drivers license). Those states already have reciprocity agreements between them. They don't need the law that Zeldin co-sponsored. Zeldin's law is specifically designed to allow people from those easy-gun states to come to NY with their concealed weapons. It would be very easy for gang members to establish residency in an easy state, and return to Long Island with their legally ...more
By Bayman (31), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 4:39 PM
Now THERE'S a comment I can co-sign!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 4:47 PM
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Where can I get a life size cut out of Zeldin.
By watchdog1 (491), Southampton on Mar 7, 18 3:38 PM
Deny, Deny, Deny...even though there are pictures to the contrary. Thanks Julie Lofstad for standing up for Hampton Bays - "you didn't have enough time" isn't that what your campaign manager said....I guess things are "great" now that your daughter is a senior.
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 4:18 PM
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"The supervisor also noted that the town’s efforts have doubled since the hiring of Mr. Troyd"

Zero times two is still zero.
By bird (736), Sag Harbor on Mar 7, 18 5:33 PM
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I am very surprised that instead of debating the article and why SHT thinks things are peachy in HB the debate is digressing into Obama/Trump stuff. No one is going to change anyone's minds here. Can't we debate what the truth is for HB? Is the Town trying? Is Julie (or any other town board member) crusading?

This is a serious issue for our community. Republican, Democratic, Libertarian or anything else, the discussion should be how to get our town officials to pay attention!
By bb (832), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 5:53 PM
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bb - couldn't agree more. What IS it going to take? Let's hope it is not a tragedy.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 6:25 PM
Chase Snyder men and the Southampton Town board look like idiots. Hampton Bays is a disaster and if they want to write a letter to be politically correct they look very foolish doing it. Just proves you have five morons on the board
By chief1 (2562), southampton on Mar 7, 18 6:31 PM
You apparently did not read the article...it was not the full town board.
By Roughrider28 (74), southampton on Mar 7, 18 9:25 PM
Perhaps...


D. none of the above
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 7, 18 8:15 PM
Classy Lee. He’s the scum of he earth. Come down to HB Lee. Once. Ever.
By Brandon Quinn (164), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 8:34 PM
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By Brandon Quinn (164), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 8:38 PM
The liberals seem awfully hateful. More than usual. Can't wait to see them in 6 years.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 8:55 PM
Ok. So Lee’s a liar. There isn’t any gang activity in HB.

But Julie campaigned on getting rid of gangs in HB.

Guess she did her job? SMFH.
By Draggerman (840), Southampton on Mar 7, 18 9:18 PM
There is absolutely gang activity on the east end and based on conversations I have had with Nassau police officers and pictures I have seen(on their phones), we need to pay heed to the warning signs and take preventive action now.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 9:23 PM
Congressman Lee Zeldin did not toss Hampton Bays under the bus Mr. Supervisor Schneiderman. He is the bus. Wake up!

You and the SH Town Board are playing political games at the expense of the people of Hampton Bays. All people. School children, tax payers. The problem will not go away unless you are honest that there is a problem.

Facts:
- Brothel on Foster Ave.= MS 13 connections.
- CB’s Bar Knife event = MS13 connections.
- Sexual Assault in Southampton post ...more
By Hamptonsway (37), Southampton on Mar 7, 18 9:47 PM
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Except two out of those three are not facts, they're conjecture.

Even ("Fair and Balanced") Fox News stopped at "possible" gang ties.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 9:54 PM
Yes. The fact is MS13 gang activity is up 100 % in two years in Southampton.
By ZGerry (34), Hamptons on Mar 8, 18 9:11 PM
All these crimes are documented and supported. Ask the chief for the reports..
By Hamptonsway (37), Southampton on Mar 7, 18 10:03 PM
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Even Fox News didn't confirm that the convicted person was a gang member. In fact, nobody did. Including the police. Because he wasn't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 10:37 PM
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FB, do you really think that the young woman who was sexually assaulted in the safety of her bedroom and had to run naked in the street with the assailant chasing her with a bat threatening to kill her really cared if he was part of an organized gang? The man was an illegal immigrant and was previously arrested but released after a horrible assault at CB's.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 18 10:27 PM
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Obviously she doesn't and shouldn't care, but that doesn't change the fact that the accused was not a gang member as asserted above.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 10:32 PM
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The question I've always had is, why was he released after the CB machete assault? Covered in blood, but nothing to press charges with? That always seemed a bit strange, and I mean strange as in how did an after hours bar exist for over a year with lap dancing with about 20 police cars passing it every day of the week? And when the SH police were in custody of an underage drunk undocumented male who was arrested in that incident at the Hampton Bays Fire Department summer fling, why was he not ...more
By dfree (584), hampton bays on Mar 8, 18 7:36 AM
As a human being THAT is the ONLY fact that should matter and seriously some minuscule points really don't need to be made. There was a horrible gang attack at CB's - there was a brutal sexual assault in the village - there was a brothel with sex slaves and you are arguing whether they are "real MS-13 gang members" or if the origin of MS-13 is in El Salvador. If you live in Hampton Bays, you should just be outraged.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 9:21 AM
Facts matter. The "gang" assault at CB's was only called that because of the number of people involved, and gang membership was never confirmed for any of the parties involved.

If Zeldin is worried about crime in HB he should be educated on the circumstances and obtain some relief for the district, rather than grandstand with political buzzwords.

I'm not taking up any issue with the characterization of the brothel as gang-related, just the other two incidents.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 9:30 AM
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Exactly PW, those people who lie to score political points are repugnant and deserve nothing but derision.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 9:51 AM
Actually only RELATIVE and IMPORTANT facts matter. The relative and important facts facts here is that 4 illegal immigrants from El Salvador were in a bar owned by someone that had well reported ties to MS-13 ties from Hempstead to Riverhead. One of those sexually brutally sexually assaulted a young woman. It really doesn't matter if they were MS-13 or not. We had a brothel in our community where our children go to school running drugs, guns and prostitution. We had a cab driver selling drugs ...more
Mar 8, 18 10:18 AM appended by G.A.Lombardi
should be relevant not relative
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 10:18 AM
Except it clearly matters because a majority of the Town Board wrote several pages about it and we're discussing it right now.

If he gets us some support to bring down crime he can lie all he wants, and kudos to him for achieving results. If he lied about HB only to score political points by advancing the president's immigration agenda, then shame on him.
Mar 8, 18 10:37 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also, out of sheer curiosity since I'd never heard this before, what do we know about CB's owner's ties to gang activity? What can I search online to learn more?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 10:37 AM
Actually it clearly matters to YOU and those that are more concerned about liberal agendas than the safety and well-being of those living in Hampton Bays. considering you think it is OK that the diner turns into some strip club. Good luck making your liberal arguments. I welcome ANYONE - ANY PARTY that wants to make Hampton Bays a safer, family friendly place to live and visit. Good luck with your liberal arguments.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 11:38 AM
an FB - you seem to be good with "the google" and have time on your hands look up the information - NY Times article, Hempstead lawsuits, Riverhead denial of permits.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 12:43 PM
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Wait, is this about the diner or CB's?

Wasn't the Diner owner a greek guy?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 12:49 PM
what are you referring to....I am referring to YOUR comment regarding the new diner potential business....and I add YOUR comment on the Edegwater site. Apparently less than family friendly activity in our wonderful hamlet is OK with you.....not so much with some of us.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 8:48 PM
Wait, you thought the stripper comment was serious?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 10:41 PM
Many a truth is said in jest
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 9, 18 6:04 AM
That's hilarious. Obviously I don't want the sex-work and drug trade that comes associated with a stripclub. I can't believe I had to lay that out for you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 6:26 AM
Let me lay this out for you and shoot in the center of your goal post, MS 13 GANG activity crime increased 100 percent in Southampton.

That’s a fact Jack.
By Hamptonsway (37), Southampton on Mar 9, 18 7:39 AM
That seems like an incomplete statistic. What is "activity"? Arrests? Convictions? Increased 100% from when to when?

Also, this conversation is not about Southampton but specific to the three incidents in HB cited as "gang activity" by Zeldin, two of which were labeled "gang activity" merely because a group of brown-skinned people participated in an assault, which you'd know if you had read the article.

The fact that one of them went on to commit another heinous crime makes him ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 8:11 AM
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Ok. So your not good at math, reading comprehension and local geography. Let me lay it out.
From when to when? From the first crime committed and reported as MS13. You can pick the dates. Totally up to you. (This is the math part)
No place in the story or Congressman state “brown skin people”. (This is the reading comprehension part)
Hampton Bays is Southampton. (This is the geography part)

But your good at identifying facts on what is and is not MS13 and choose ...more
By Hamptonsway (37), Southampton on Mar 9, 18 11:36 AM
I didn't label it a gang-assault because of the number of people involved, the police did. Read the article.

Hampton Bays is a part of Southampton, not its entirety. If gang-crime goes up in Southampton that does not mean gang-crime goes up in Hampton Bays, which is the subject of this article.

If you say there's been a percentage increase in a particular kind of crime it's your task to support it, not mine.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 11:45 AM
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Glad you cleared that up - maybe you should think about the things you post and if you would post them if you weren't hiding behind an anonymous screen name.
By G.A.Lombardi (301), Hampton Bays on Mar 9, 18 11:04 PM
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Thanks for the advice, but I don't discuss politics with my neighbors as a rule of thumb. Low-stakes anonymous comment sections are more my bag!
Mar 10, 18 7:47 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I might come off as a sanctimonious know-it-all, but the regular ad hominem attacks lead me to believe my arguments are pretty good!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 10, 18 7:47 AM
Thank you Congressman Lee Zeldin for doing your job by taking serious issues to the President on behalf of our district.
The reason progress is being made for Hampton Bays after years of neglect is the people. Years of hard work. It will take more time and money to make up for years of abuse. All of us need to work together with the SHTB to get them to open their minds, hearts and eyes to the problems. It needs more attention by SHTB
However, with no answers or direct action from SHTB ...more
By ZGerry (34), Hamptons on Mar 7, 18 11:02 PM
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Great , but the problem will not go away unless you are honest that there is a problem. Gangs and gang activity such as MS 13 in Hampton Bays/Southampton/East end.

Note the following -
- Brothel on Foster Ave.= MS 13 connections, Gang activity.
- CB’s Bar Knife event = MS13 connections, Gang activity.
- Sexual Assault in Southampton post the HBFD drunk event.= MS13 connections, Gang activity.

Too bad the leadership will do what it can to hide the facts yet the ...more
By ZGerry (34), Hamptons on Mar 10, 18 9:13 AM
Just because you call things facts it doesn't make them so.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 10, 18 9:15 AM
MS Gang crime is up 100 percent in Southampton/Hampton Bays and Lee Zeldin district. BTW, this is was with just with the first crime.

Thank You Congressman for getting out in front as SHTB are lacking information to fully understand the scope.

We welcome all ICE visits to Southampton to protect America.
By Hamptonsway (37), Southampton on Mar 10, 18 2:22 PM
"He pointed to one code enforcement operation in which more than 200 violations were issued in Hampton Bays over just four days last year."
LAST YEAR! What have you done for us lately. What came about those 200 violations? Swept under the rug? Seems like nothing has changed and getting worse.
By pcone (28), hampton bays on Mar 8, 18 8:23 AM
Notice how the party affiliation(s) of those challenging Congressman Zeldin go unmentioned. Typical . MAGA
By 1barkingdog (1), Aquebogue on Mar 8, 18 8:37 AM
"Councilwoman Christine Scalera, the Town Board’s lone Republican" would imply to most readers that all of her peers on the board are Democrats.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 8:40 AM
The east end is one of the last places in America where Democrats and Republicans live in close proximity to each other in a roughly 50/50 ratio. Internet comments never change minds! In America, in 2018, if one wants to influence policy, the most effective way is through political donations. Open your wallets and put your money where your political opinions are ; )
By Aeshtron (220), Southampton on Mar 8, 18 9:15 AM
Confirmed: Conservative Publishers Hit Hard By Twitter, You Tube and Facebook Algorithm Changes – Gateway Pundit Hit the Hardest
Confirmed: Conservative Publishers Hit Hard By Social Media Algorithm Changes, Breitbart, Info Wars, Gateway Pundit Hit the Hardest

If "Internet comments never change minds!" then why is the left cheating !
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 8, 18 9:27 AM
Breitbart and Infowars regularly peddle misleading and downright false stories. I'm glad someone is calling them out on their trash.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 9:33 AM
The media is obviously losing the battle. They don’t want to hear, see or smell the revolution and what they deem "the hatred" that they have aroused in the deplorables.

The move by news sites and social media to squelch opinion (no comments allowed) is a last ditch attempt to censor and control the narrative.

The propaganda machine we call mainstream media is failing, and those responsible are scared s*less. People are calling out the bulls* a.k.a. “fake news” ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 8, 18 9:36 AM
Yes UC, we heard you the first time, you don't need to copy/paste this particular comment everywhere.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 9:50 AM
Tucker Carlson debuted a new series on his Fox News program Wednesday night: “American men are in crisis.”

Daily Caller reported, tucker will feature a new segment in the series every Wednesday in March, and the first featured Canadian professor Dr. Jordan Peterson.

You Tube is already flagging the Daily Callers legitamate story on this and blocking It WTF ? Now go ahead and tell us why this is a good thing Fore
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 8, 18 9:50 AM
I'm not aware of this particular video, nor am I interested in hearing Tucker Carlson, so in the most general terms: YouTube is responsible for policing YouTube and consumers are responsible for voting with their clicks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 10:04 AM
Speaking of clicks, interesting perspective on why sperm counts on average are down and why boys/men are mass shooters, but not women. Society strikes again!!
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 8, 18 12:38 PM
Why not watch Tucker on this issue? I thought you had an open mind? Afraid it might sway you? & BTW, the other 4 S/H Town Board members ARE Democrats.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 8, 18 10:37 AM
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I watched Tucker on this and agree with everything he said, people should consider home schooling to avoid this god awful war against our boys and indoctrination of our children.
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 8, 18 10:45 AM
Because like other commentators whom I can't stand, I'd much rather digest their opinions via text.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 10:45 AM
Here is some "Text " from last weeks New Yorker , please "digest" it and then tell us if you are with Louis Farrakhan or not !

Why Won’t Women’s March Leaders Denounce Louis Farrakhan’s Anti-Semitism?

Two weeks ago, during a Saviours’ Day event to commemorate the life of Nation of Islam founder Master Fard Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan had some things to say about Jews. " The powerful Jews, he told the audience inside Wintrust Arena in Chicago, are my enemy. ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 8, 18 10:51 AM
Do I really have to? I mean, the guy sounds off his rocker to the point his loved ones should probably assume care of his finances because he appears to be a danger to others and himself.

But to be explicit: no, I don't agree with this guy's assertions that there is a Jewish conspiracy to promulgate degenerate behavior and...take over the world, I guess? I'm not even sure what he's alleging, to be honest.

Now, can I find some random extremist conservative for you to denounce?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 11:01 AM
Quite a social-justice-warrior's nightmare we have here: having to choose between not speaking out against a blatant racist misogynist homophobe like Farrakhan, or speaking out against a black Muslim like Farrakhan. Either way, you're sunk. Oh, if only it could always be as simple as speaking out against the white man like Trump, right ladies?

And so we get -- nothing. A Women's March statement that blanket denounces "Anti-Semitism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism and white supremacy." ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Mar 8, 18 11:02 AM
Well Trump is president, whereas Farrakhan is...what is he, exactly?

You'd expect to hear more about the President than whatever the other guy is, right?

In any event, I didn't think my comment was "milquetoast" but I'll synthesize it for you: his comments were blatantly racist and transphobic.

Though he and the Right would agree on which bathroom people enter being a "pressing moral concern" right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 11:07 AM
Oh my , I guess you do not have any daughters. Fore1gnBornHBgrown

Very Hat Headesk
Mar 8, 18 11:17 AM appended by joe hampton
Speaking to: "which bathroom people enter being a "pressing moral concern" Do you really not see why this is a problem for people with young children Fore ?
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 8, 18 11:17 AM
Farrakhan is a public figure with a platform.
Believe it or not , that’s enough.
Hopefully the hypocrisy of the “Woman’s March” will reach a few more people.
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Mar 8, 18 11:27 AM
I don't understand your comment, Joe. I didn't say "sexist" because the quoted article didn't appear to make sexist comments to me, but Faraka might very well be sexist. I'm certainly not defending him, just giving my opinion based on a few lines of text.
Mar 8, 18 11:30 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Ooooh, that was about the bathroom thing? You realize you and your daughters have been going to the same restroom as trans people your whole lives, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 11:30 AM
Kudos to Zeldin. Now Town is embarassed publicly and maybe will actually DO something other than talk and defend themselves. Whatever they have been doing is not enough.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 8, 18 10:43 AM
Lee Zeldin is a lawyer. He knows you can't take totally unproven allegations from one party's notice of claim commencing litigation, and state them as fact anywhere, much less in a face-to-face conference with the President on public safety. That he did this demonstrates great carelessness or great dishonesty. Either way, it raises a serious question as to his fitness to continue in office.

Christine Scalera is also a lawyer, and she too knows that you can't do this, yet she defends ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1887), Quiogue on Mar 8, 18 11:14 AM
Typical political redirection. Issue is Hampton Bays needs help.
BTW are Dems going to ignore Farrakhan? We need to see outrage over some dems support of him along with their VOCAL rejection of him and his opinions. You know, like Trump did when they blamed him for David Duke's support? Hypocritical to say the least.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 8, 18 11:52 AM
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Can I borrow your crystal ball, George?

The fact is, HB is ignored by the 3 Js. Unless they think building-and not finishing-parks around the Hamlet will get rid of MS13...
By Draggerman (840), Southampton on Mar 9, 18 7:30 AM
Lee did his usually GREAT job during an interview on FOX and Friends this morning, calling out committee Democrats for leaking details of closed door hearings to the corrupt media.

Keep at em' Mr. Zeldin...Expose the whole corrupt establishment!!!
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 8, 18 11:15 AM
Main points are MS13 has become a presence on the east end.
The quality of life out here overall has gone down.

There are many reasons and illegal aliens are one of them. The amount of trash and dumping has gone up in congruence to the illegal alien population. The increase in gentrified non finger lifting NYC, NJ or CT elite wannabes, who come her to claim their trophy homes and enjoy the beauty they ironically destroy with their presence.

Code enforcements hands are tied ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Mar 8, 18 11:39 AM
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Yes and no If the code enforcement was as concerned about multi family's in single family homes instead of who's fence might be a foot to high because we DO NOT WANT LYME'S DISEASE ! or who is using a gas powered leaf blower instead of a rake. Maybe we would not be in this mess in the first place !
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 8, 18 11:54 AM
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Turkey: Lee is doing a fine job, sorry your extremist, party over all else, viewpoint makes you blind to that fact
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 8, 18 11:53 AM
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If the pot is going to call the kettle black...

DUMBEST administration ever:

Trump Organization orders presidential seal replicas for golf courses: Report

By Stephanie Ebbs
Mar 5, 2018, 1:17 PM ET

The Trump Organization reportedly ordered replicas of the presidential seal to use at its golf courses despite laws against using the seal for financial gain, according to a report from ProPublica.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 8, 18 6:08 PM
"The day after she was one of three Republican senators to vote against her party's proposal to repeal chunks of the Affordable Care Act, Susan Collins of Maine posted a press release that said: "Democrats made a big mistake when they passed the ACA without a single Republican vote. I don't want to see Republicans make the same mistake."

Susan Collins should change her party to Democrat. That's what she really is.
By pigroast (72), East Quogue on Mar 8, 18 12:02 PM
Just so that I am clear, a majority of the Town Board felt it was wrong that our Congressman brought local issues to the attention of the President of the United States and Leader of the Free World. That is supposed to be a bad thing? Whether you are a Democrat or Republican isn't that what your Congressman's job is? Whether you voted for Trump or not, don't you want the President of the United States to listen to your local issues?
By Gillnetter (102), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 12:58 PM
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If you read the article, the issue they took up was HOW he did it: By lying about HB.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 1:05 PM
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would like some cheese with that whine...or is beer more your preference?
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 18 1:42 PM
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I'd accept either, if you're offering.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 2:04 PM
"Southampton Town Leader" is synonymous with "incompetent sell out".
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Mar 8, 18 1:17 PM
Look, Rep. Zeldin's comments may have contained some hyperbole, as often happens during a colloquial discussion. It's happening right here in this comment section. But the underlying point is that Zeldin is correct. OK, not all 489 hotel rooms are being rented by illegals, and those that are are not all blood thirsty gang members. I get it, But I - and I suspect about 98% of you - also know that illegal immigration has caused problems for Hampton Bays, and a good portion of it is gang related. ...more
By nyc511 (9), Southampton on Mar 8, 18 2:08 PM
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If the Southampton Town Police really wanted to get something done, they could park a patrol car at the Cove Motel and check registration, inspection and insurance for each auto there, making sure everything is hunky dory. Just like they could have parked a patrol car at CBs during their after hours lap fests BEFORE some one got a machete in their gut. And who gave the underage MS 13 rapist enough alcohol to send him to the Southampton hospital ER? Any investigation? Results? I see a ton of arrests ...more
By dfree (584), hampton bays on Mar 8, 18 4:55 PM
Registration and inspection stickers pose no constitutional problem because they're readily visible to the public, but cops can't just go up to anyone and ask for proof of insurance.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 5:42 PM
The police can run the license plate against a state database and determine if there is valid auto insurance. By the way, the local law enforcement can also perform the license plate, registration, inspection, and insurance checks in the public parking lots by the supermarkets in town, and the local parks. If the car is not insured or inspected, or has a valid registration that corresponds with the license plate number, or any of the 10 or so other items that any regular citizen with an automobile ...more
By dfree (584), hampton bays on Mar 9, 18 7:39 AM
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I was not aware they had that information in arm's reach. Those jerk always insist that I dig out the little piece of paper because "there's no way" for them to know if my insurance is current or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 7:48 AM
Why is Sessions wasting his time with this nit wit from California ? Just extend the wall to surround California. Leave it open on the southern end only. and good luck to you !
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 8, 18 5:29 PM
California by the numbers:

37% higher cost of living than national avg
Highest state income tax rate
Highest state sales tax rate
Highest state gas tax
Highest gasoline prices
Infrastructure ranked 49th
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 8, 18 5:55 PM
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By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 8, 18 6:13 PM
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Grows the lion share of fruits and vegetables for this country.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 8, 18 6:20 PM
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I like it not because I believe it, but because I want it to be true so bad...

The national embarrassment would be worth it to see people's' heads implode when they have to choose between fully endorsing Trump's watersports or giving a dignified defence of it as "a private matter"

Because let's face it, if true this wouldn't have any effect on his approval ratings or support at the polls.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 8, 18 6:23 PM
Some months ago I found a website with shocking information. I believed the story I had read and told family and friends about it. One of them did some research and couldn’t find anything to support what I had told them, and asked me for proof. So I did my own research and couldn’t find anything to support it, either. Then I went back onto the original site (which was difficult to find the second time around), and studied it closely. The website was owned by a Ukranian guy, who wrote ...more
By pigroast (72), East Quogue on Mar 8, 18 11:35 PM
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If Z posted it then it’s true. He knows everything.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 9, 18 2:44 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 9, 18 12:02 PM
I think Mr. Zeldin is right on point, it has started to take hold, if not in Hampton Bays now, it's very, very close . How long does it take to drive out here ? Best to nip it in the bud now instead of reacting to it.
By scalloper (17), quogue on Mar 8, 18 7:17 PM
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What swamp? Lobbyists get ethics waivers to work for Trump

Posted: Mar 08, 2018 12:52 AM EST
Updated: Mar 08, 2018 7:16 PM EST
By MICHAEL BIESECKER, JULIET LINDERMAN and RICHARD LARDNER
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Donald Trump and his appointees have stocked federal agencies with ex-lobbyists and corporate lawyers who now help regulate the very industries from which they previously collected paychecks, despite Trump's promises as a candidate to drain ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 8, 18 7:24 PM
NK wants to meet w/Trump, more proof Trump, Putin, & Jong-Un are working in tandem to generate positive publicity for Trump as his unpopularity rises. The timing of this is very suspicious. Remember Assange dumped more hacked emails when #GrabEmByThePu**y happened.
MUELLER IS CLOSING IN; PUTIN IS CALLING THE SHOTS.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 8, 18 7:27 PM
Jaysus JuneZ, that's the most deranged , preposterous , ridiculous , tinfoil hat conspiracy statement that you have made here, and that's saying something. Can you provide some PROF?
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 8, 18 8:49 PM
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And this is why I am really pulling for it to be true: so BF and everyone else has to swallow it whole.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 6:03 AM
I wholly agree PW, as would most people, as long as we use THEIR definition of "expressing mental health issues"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 7:59 AM
WINNING: NORTH KOREA HAS PLEDGED TO STOP NUCLEAR AND MISSILE TESTS…South Korean National Security Adviser: Trump Will Meet with Kim Jong-Un by May – NK Pledged to Stop Nuclear or Missile Tests

The Clinton Administration gave us a nuclear weaponized North Korea, The Obama Administration gave us a nuclear weaponized Iran.

Notice the trend?

Trump will go down the greatest president in United States history....
Mar 9, 18 1:08 AM appended by 27dan
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL : By Harriet Torry Updated March 8, 2018 5:16 p.m. ETU.S. Household Net Worth Pushes Further Into Record Territory Household wealth rose more than $2 trillion in the fourth quarter with help from rising stock and home prices It's amazing what happens when you get government out of the way.Are you on the Trump Train yet?
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 9, 18 1:08 AM
Iran does not have nuclear weapons, yet. By the Treaty negotiated by John Kerry, ratified by the US Senate and signed by the President of the US, and agreed to by Iran, Russia, China and the EU they stopped their progress towards producing nuclear weapons. Verification is through the nuclear disarmament inspections by a UN team of experts.

The Bush Administration opened the door for a proliferation of nuclear weapons by allowing India to violate the Non Proliferation Treaty and forcing ...more
By dfree (584), hampton bays on Mar 9, 18 7:47 AM
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Never let facts get in the way of a good rant!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 10:48 AM
Hilarious!

The Honorable Lee blows fraudulent hot air (again), manipulating racist animosity against Hispanics for crass political purposes, offers NOTHING substantive (again) - - - and the true believers here proclaim him the Messiah.

Every time Zeldin has a B.M., Right-Wing hosannas fill the air.

Those aren't diamonds, boyos!
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 9, 18 8:43 AM
Don't hold your breath waiting for a condemnation from this one over the Farrakhan remarks
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 9, 18 9:43 AM
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On one hand I'm disappointed that I missed PW's comment, but on the other I'm impressed the moderation team caught it so quick.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 9:46 AM
it was just a expression of disgust .
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 9, 18 9:52 AM
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I'm sure, but his style is so unique I eagerly await each comment!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 9:56 AM
Best jobs report in 2 decades? Making a psycho dictator crawl to the negotiating table? After 8 years of failed Obama policies and inaction, People with an agenda will never give President Trump credit for anything good. They rail about Russia but they love Kim Jun. They are totally just showing their hypocrisy each and every day. The hard working blue collar men and woman of America are waking up to this stupidity..This new era feels amazing. freedom & less stat ism has a way of invigorating the ...more
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 9, 18 10:16 AM
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If Trump oversees the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, even if it's because both NK and SK are scared he might oversee their mutual destruction instead, he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize more than Obama did.

I doubt his prickly personality and arrogant demeanor will engender respect among the committee, though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 10:25 AM
He can't even make a deal with a porn star....
Already they're walking this PR stunt back.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 9, 18 5:37 PM
Wasn't it the "right wing" that went absolutely ape****, howling and gnashing their teeth when then President Obama was trying to bring Kim Jong Un to the table? Now that it's a GOP president, it's OK, eh?

Maybe he'll even bring along Dennis Rodman as support staff.

It's so pathetic I can't even laugh about it...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 10, 18 7:34 AM
FEB JOBS BLOWOUT: +313K...
SMASHES EXPECTATIONS...
STOCKS ROAR...
155,215,000 Employed; 8th Record of Trump Era...
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 9, 18 9:25 AM
STEEL AND ALUMINUM WORKERS PRAISE DONALD TRUMP FOR PROTECTIVE TARIFFS
POLL: MORE THAN 80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT TRUMP’S TRADE ECONOMIC NATIONALISM - MAGA The vast majority of Americans support President Trump’s economic nationalist agenda on foreign trade, wherein the populist president is in the process of renegotiating multinational trade deals like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 9, 18 9:38 AM
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Council on Foreign Relations spokesperson: trump's steel penalties will hurt auto industry the most. Likely to result in loss of 40,000 jobs.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 9, 18 3:37 PM
Labor Leader Trumka: Trump Tariffs ‘Good for Country’AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said on Thursday for enacting steel and aluminum tariffs, saying they were “good for the country” and good for the industry.
By local 84 (333), riverhead on Mar 9, 18 4:12 PM



These American companies could be hurt by Trump's tariffs
by Julia Horowitz @juliakhorowitz
March 9, 2018: 11:14 AM ET

Why this oil CEO is worried about steel tariffs
President Donald Trump's steep tariffs on steel and aluminum imports are now a reality.
Trump on Thursday imposed a 25% tariff on steel imports and 10% on aluminum, but exempted Canada and Mexico. The tariffs will take effect in 15 days.

For American companies that make metals, that's ...more
Mar 9, 18 4:32 PM appended by June Bug
Kiss your tax cut tata, y'all. It'll be eaten up with more expensive cars, appliances, peanut butter, motorcycles, jeans, beer, orange juice, cranberries, bourbon, canned anything, etc.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 9, 18 4:32 PM
Protectionist in Chief, yet again...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 9, 18 6:19 PM
As CNBC reported Trumps steel tariffs have Democrats and unions cheering but the GOP worried. Sounds like you June should switch parties.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 10, 18 7:50 AM
Which Democrats? Even Bernie said he agrees with Trump on the problem but not the solution.

The way to improve workers' lives is to equip them with the tools to compete in a 21st century economy, not withdraw from the international markets to protect industry at home.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 10, 18 8:05 AM
Sherod brown had the courage to publically support it even though most democrats have in the past. The dems have replaced the repub as the party of no and obstructionism. Sanders during the campaign supported tarriffs. his office has declined to comment on Trumps proposal because he is just like everyone else. A politician who is FOS.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 10, 18 8:58 PM
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"He is identifying the problem correctly but I’m not sure that his particular solution at this moment is exactly the right one.” - Bernie Sanders
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 10, 18 9:04 PM
Political fodder. You can add Casey, Mnuchin and several others to my list. Asked and answered.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 11, 18 3:17 AM
You said Sanders had declined to make a statement. That's just not true.

Mnuchin is not a Democrat. I also think it's funny that the Democratic Senator from PA supports the tarriffs but the Republican Senator from PA does not.

I guess they're not as universally admired as you'd like us to believe.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 11, 18 4:59 AM
Please reread my posts and tell me where I said they were universally admired. My point is this was a left leaning idea that many democrats (including sanders) supported. Now that Trump has embraced the idea many of those same democrats are silent or openly opposed. It’s call politics. You asked me which democrats support it? I named a few.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 11, 18 5:09 AM
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Mnuchin is still not a Democrat. I also think that the corporate tax rate should have been cut but there's a lot of things in the tax bill I didn't like.

Similarly, one can support tarriffs as a tool without agreeing with particular uses.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 11, 18 5:17 AM
I don’t know of a senator or democrat named Mnuchin. Are you referring to Steve? It was obviously a typo. I was referring to the Democrat senator from West Virginia.....Joe Manchin. I could name more but your question has been asked and answered.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 12, 18 7:13 AM
You named two Democrats that expressed support. How many Republicans have come out against?
Mar 12, 18 8:22 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It doesn't matter now. What's done is done. If this gets China to respect intellectual property law, then Trump deserves credit. I'm not planning to buy a car anytime soon anyway.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 12, 18 8:22 AM
geez. I previously cited a report from CNBC that said the GOP was worried and the democrats and unions favored tariffs. I then further stated the obvious that once Trump came out in favor most of the dems ran for the hills. When asked which dems (were still in favor) I cited 3 (not two) Democratic senators (Brown, Manchin and Casey) that still had the courage to back the tarriffs. I could name many congress people and probably more senators if I did research but frankly I need to get to work.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Mar 12, 18 9:19 AM
President Trump: An island of sanity in a world gone mad.The Fake Media is shocked that there are American citizens who think that the POTUS should stand up for them. We have a world to take care of, after all. We broke it, so we have to fix it by sacrificing everything for people in other countries.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 9, 18 9:40 AM
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only one comment each from our resident fascists in the last 48 hours, seems something has soured there day , do try an have a better weekend hon. get out and play with the children. buy an ice cream cone and take a walk. don't worry our president as everything under control.
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 9, 18 9:51 AM
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Yep, totally under control. Even "drained the swamp", lol. What a bunch of suckers...

What We Found in Trump’s Drained Swamp: Hundreds of Ex-Lobbyists and D.C. Insiders

by Towleroad
March 8, 2018 | 1:30pm


Today we’re making available, for the first time, an authoritative searchable database of 2,475 political appointees, including Trump’s Cabinet, staffers in the White House and senior officials within the government, along with their federal ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 9, 18 6:06 PM
What is mental illness anymore? Practically everything falls under this category. Probably 1 in 3 people have had an episode of depression at one time or another, a loss of a pet, spouse, divorce, and they get over it. But doctors were handing out anti-depressant drugs like candy, (a form of Government control), so now everybody has a record. This is not what our founding fathers intended, and therefore, I do not support it.
By pigroast (72), East Quogue on Mar 9, 18 11:13 AM
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Putting aside your very accurate portrayal of what happens when we propose a general gun prohibition on people with "mental illness" and the science-fiction turn you took regarding mind-control, if we lived the way the founding fathers intended you'd still be able to own people.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 11:24 AM
As a person of color, I will chime in that my personal experience supports the belief that police tend to treat minorities with greater caution.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (425), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 9:29 AM

Most of our grand parents and great grand parents arrived here through Ellis Island and had nothing to do with the African wars and the selling of Slaves to people that were here in this country. We had nothing to do with it since we arrived well after it took place and we fully ...more
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 9, 18 11:59 AM
I'm just pointing out how the founding fathers felt differently than we do today, and if we consistently apply the principle that we should follow their intent over two hundred years later, we're going to run into a lot of moral obstacles.
Mar 9, 18 12:02 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also, that post appears to have aged out of my 12-page comment history. Did you dig it up or save it at the time for later use? Either way, that's creepy....
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 12:02 PM
And I am just pointing out that the world thank god has gotten past that bad period of history and that only a small percentage of the people here now have any ties to the buying of slaves from opposing tribes of Africa that you speak of. Most people today view this as a barbaric and crazy thing as they do the Holocaust or many other examples of oppression throughout world history.
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 9, 18 12:07 PM
So why don't we analyze the rest of the founding fathers' views with that same critical eye?

Why is it their intent in some areas heralded, but others ignored?

The obvious answer is that each of their views should be analyzed on its own merits, but the people who tout the founding fathers' intent are quick to canonize them in some respects but cast their shortcomings aside in others.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 12:53 PM
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@Ditch Bum: Do you not see the glaring inconsistency you exhibit when you characterize abolition as a good result constitutionally because slavery was "barbaric and crazy", but regard mass shootings a mere consequence of "individual freedom" protected in the 2A, not "barbaric or crazy", and therefore not subject to amendment?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 9, 18 1:26 PM
Sorry, I for one do not see the connection you are desperately trying to establish.

Again should we ban driving a vehicle, since they killers have used them to successfully harm more people than mass shootings ? How about knives ? or pressure cookers ?

How about we start with common sense measures like to harden our schools and protect the children from all of these threats!

Maybe we can agree with a compromise like green lighting US citizens by default to purchase a ...more
Mar 9, 18 3:17 PM appended by joe hampton
And don't sweet it Fore we are all people of one color or another it really makes no differance anymore. ALL LIVES MATER !
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 9, 18 3:17 PM
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All of that is fine. The point is that if "the founders' intent" is a dumb justification because they simply didn't know better than we do in 2018.
Mar 9, 18 3:21 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
inadvertent "if"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 3:21 PM
Really, Chill Fore1gn like Joe said don't sweat it ! I am sure Ditch was just trying to make his point. I do not think he meant any harm. I am also a person of color ! lol Like Joe said " we are all one color or another " Have a nice weekend.
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 9, 18 4:01 PM
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Joe said: "I for one do not see the connection you are desperately trying to establish"

I am merely trying to bridge the connection for him, and haven't taken offense to anything he's said.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 4:07 PM
No Fore, the founders simply didn't know better than you (palm face). Imagine if they had the internet to to help form their views.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 9, 18 8:58 PM
For starters, we know what life and technology are like in 2018, the founders didn't know that!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 9:42 PM
Uh, for real?
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 9, 18 9:46 PM
Making informed decisions is better than making uninformed decisions, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 9, 18 9:59 PM
Are you referring to yourself? Who said you were informed?
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 10, 18 5:22 PM
The Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Crashes And Burns

By Howard Gleckman Forbes Contributor


Just as President Trump is ramping up his push for a major tax cut that he believes will pay for itself through faster economic growth, the Kansas template for that approach has crashed and burned. After four years of below-average growth, deepening budget deficits, and steep spending reductions, the GOP-dominated Kansas legislature has repealed many of the tax cuts at the heart of ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 9, 18 6:35 PM
@ Mr. Z

Unsurprisingly, true believers ignore the concrete proof from Kansas that claims that GDP growth will erase the $1 trillion addition to the national debt that Republican tax-cuts-for-big-business-and-the-wealthy will created are determined wishful thinking.

They would profess belief in the cheesy substance of the moon if they believed that it would keep a dollar in their wallets. That's the essence of Right-Wing political "philosophy".


By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 10, 18 9:13 AM
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Kansas? That is your example? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think our country has ever relied upon the economic template of Kansas.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 10, 18 5:24 PM
Consider yourself corrected.

Not only was Art Laffer responsible for the economic policy of the Reagan years, he was heavily involved with Kansas' most recent economic policy and it's massively gross failure. Which, incidentally has been the basic "right wing" economic plan for decades. Slashing taxes does not create enough growth to offset revenue losses. It never has, never will, and most recently failed miserably (again) in Kansas. Which, incidentally, is a template for the Trump ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 11, 18 9:39 PM
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Honestly, do you sit around waiting for HHS to post so you can follow up with something irrelevant. Regan was president, he implemented the policy, it was successful. Just like your Hero Obama put in place his healthcare, mislead and lied about it, and now we are stuck with it. Obama will go down as a 8 year lame duck who set us back decades. If you don't think that the enriched uranium we sold during his presidency is now sitting in North Korea you should just go back to fixing computers and moderating ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 12, 18 7:05 PM
^^^^^^^

Those who don't learn history...
Mar 12, 18 7:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
Kansas and Wisconsin were the most recent supply side economic based unmitigated failures. The GOP/Trump tax plan is more of the same...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 7:13 PM
BS Z, Kansas's tax problems are their own. You failed to assert how the country has borrowed any of its tax policy from Kansas. Consider yourself rebutted.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 7:25 PM
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By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 12, 18 8:04 PM
Were you replying to me by amending your post?
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 8:06 PM
Yep. And, I can cite multiple sources to back me up from Bloomberg, to Forbes, and even Joseph Stiglitz. Brownback's Kansas, Walker's Minnesota are the most recent GOP unmitigated economic failures. It seems Dayton has had some success next door in Minnesota...
Mar 12, 18 8:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
For further reference: The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward by Bruce Bartlett *** If you know who Bartlett is, well let's just say he was part of the genesis of GOP economic theory...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 8:30 PM
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So Z, you are going to assert that the US takes its cues on economic policy from Kansas? I would love for you to back that up. Please cite multiple sources that back that up, that the US takes its cues from Kansas because that was my OP.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 8:40 PM
No. Kansas took it's cues from Laffer. GOP supply side economics took it's cues from Laffer. Reagan, and even Trump's new "plan".

It's like the old standardized "cause and effect" questions on those test we used to take. You can connect the dots, or maybe you just don't want to...

You should really read Bruce Bartlett...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 8:47 PM
Which book would you recommend? A specific book, or articles? Seriously, I read your recommendations.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 8:52 PM
The New American Economy: The Failure of Reaganomics and a New Way Forward

By Bruce Bartlett
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 9:00 PM
I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: Tax cuts don’t equal growth.

By Bruce Bartlett
September 28, 2017

Four decades ago, while working for Rep. Jack Kemp (R-N.Y.), I had a hand in creating the Republican tax myth. Of course, it didn’t seem like a myth at that time — taxes were rising rapidly because of inflation and bracket creep, the top tax rate was 70 percent and the economy seemed trapped in stagflation with no way out. Tax cuts, at that time, ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 9:06 PM
Thanks Z, read the article and ordered the book on Kindle. Have to admit that I am a little skeptical of someone who admits to having a hand in the problem but look forward to the historical perspective with an open mind.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 9:46 PM
Regret for malfeasance can be a great motivator.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 10:11 PM
Cutting spending to match revenue would work. The liberals would freak out , their lap dog media would freak, freestuffers would freak and all would be right
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 9, 18 7:23 PM
CNN: Trump Will Go Down As A “Great President”
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 10, 18 2:12 AM
...whether they like it or not
By loading... (549), quiogue on Mar 10, 18 7:53 AM
Classic case of using part of a statement to mislead everyone!

Following the two words quoted above, Erin Burnett continued " . . . IF HE SOLVES THE NORTH KOREA NUCLEAR CRISIS . . . "

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (263), Sag Harbor on Mar 10, 18 3:47 PM
...no need to resort to violins
By loading... (549), quiogue on Mar 10, 18 5:12 PM
More like when he solves the North Korea crisis !
Mar 10, 18 10:20 PM appended by 27dan
M A G A ! will soon be K A G A !
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 10, 18 10:20 PM
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27 dan is president of the Neville Chamberlain fan club.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 10, 18 8:23 AM
Focus people, focus. The topic for discussion here should be,is the Town Board doing right by HB. Are they following their own laws or looking the other way to be pc or for some other reason.

Ranting on about Presidents and political parties is not helping HB one whit.
By bb (832), Hampton Bays on Mar 10, 18 10:51 AM
@bb

Quote:

"Ranting on about Presidents and political parties is not helping HB one whit."
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Precisely what can be said of The Honorable Lee's meretricious political comments. They are not only false but offer absolutely no help to Hampton Bays. Posturing ineffectualness defines his tenure.

Meanwhile, in the continued absence of any assistance from (or interest by) The Honorable Lee, the town board will continue to do ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 10, 18 11:52 AM
The posters on this page could do something also. They could show up at board meetings, they could write letters they could do something locally.

The discussion here about Trump & Obama provides no insight on how to fix the problem.

The question is was Zeldin correct in saying there is an issue in HB or is the Town Board correct. If Zeldin is correct how does the problem get fixed. If the Town Board is correct why do so many people think they are wrong?
By bb (832), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 18 9:59 PM
Let's just dump the pretenses... Here's a quote from Zeldin's mentor and fundraising pal..

"Let them call you racists," Bannon said to the French National Front Party. "Let them call you xenophobes. Let them call you nativists. Wear it as a badge of honor."

Really want to vote for this guy?
By harbor (376), East Hampton on Mar 10, 18 3:21 PM
Yes
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 10, 18 3:45 PM
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They're not voting in spite of those views, harbor. They're voting FOR them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 10, 18 5:17 PM
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You closed out the quotes on that statement a little early, didn't you Harbor? (where is Nero when you need him?)
Bannon finished that sentence with
"...because every day we get stronger and they get weaker."
I think it looks good in print.
Mar 13, 18 7:31 AM appended by loading...
I meant to post the quoted part in ALL CAPS. Picture it in your mind. Underlined.
By loading... (549), quiogue on Mar 11, 18 7:31 AM
President Trump hits global reset button from Paris to Pyongyang , The Hill 3/10/18

Recent decisions from the Oval Office, especially on steel and aluminum tariffs, as well as the developments out of the Korean peninsula, underscore the enormity of the shift in the American politics and our role in the world as a nation which shapes geopolitics as opposed to just riding along its wavetops and being buffeted by events.

President Trump may not have been awarded a prize by anyone, ...more
Mar 10, 18 10:32 PM appended by They call me
In stark contrast to the Obama/ Clinton "reset" they shut down Eastern European missile shield handed Crimea Syria 20% United States Uranium Reserves to Russia handed $150 BILLION to sworn enemies Iran to buy Nuclear technology from Russia.
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 10, 18 10:32 PM
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Let's see what happens. I'm still waiting to see Trump's gun control bill after he tweeted that something was "definitely" going to get done this time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 11, 18 5:23 AM
Better than most of them, I'd say.
Mar 11, 18 8:42 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Stopped short of saying "all" because I've been in some really nice huts abroad.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 11, 18 8:42 AM
Congratulations to Mr Zeldin for bringing HB to the limelight.
Hampton Bays motels have to be closed down to yearly residents.
Jay Schneidern is closing his eyes to the problems.
Lets not make Hampton Bays another Brentwood.
By longislander40 (37), hampton bays on Mar 11, 18 2:10 PM
Donald Trump Reveals Re-Election Slogan: ‘I Can’t Say Make America Great Again Because We Already Did That

’Maxine Waters – a low IQ individual.” We already knew that

ROTFLOL !
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 11, 18 6:46 PM
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The BELL CURVE
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 12, 18 8:26 PM
Oh look, a "liberal snowflake" can play hardball too:

Dear President Trump, if you want to meet someone who has an actual IQ problem (as opposed to just being black), meet your Education Secretary Betsy DeVos,. Rich, white, and dumber than a bag of hammers."

~ Rep. Jared Huffman
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 8:52 PM
Maxine is not a low IQ individual because she's Black... She is just a Low IQ individual that happens to be Black, but you knew that already and just wanted me to waste a reply on your blatant horse shat !
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 13, 18 12:09 AM
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DeVos gets cold shoulder from White House after interviews
Asked whether she had visited low-performing schools to understand their needs, Betsy DeVos, an ardent proponent of school choice, admitted to having visited none.

By The Associated Press
March 13, 2018 12:21 AM

This wasn't the first time DeVos faced criticism following an uneven performance at a public forum. She was ridiculed last year after suggesting at her confirmation hearing in the Senate that some schools ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 13, 18 9:02 AM
"Nothing to see here, move along" Dems on Town Board.

MS-13 or the like do not issue laminated ID cards, so I imagine membership is somewhat fluid and often vague.
So why does it matter if you can tie crime by immigrants and illegal aliens to a particular gang or not? Fact is legal immigrants are not screened well and illegal entry has been way out of control, and they are committing serious crimes in Southampton Town. Law enforcement failures at every level.
If a teenage girl can ...more
By smacw (239), New York on Mar 12, 18 3:52 PM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

What baleful ignorance!

Reagan's economic policy FAILED. The GDP did NOT grow sufficiently to offset the debt incurred by his tax cuts.

Your assertion that N. Korea's fissionable material was obtained as a result of the decision to sell uranium to Russia is childish twaddle.

We HAD to give the Iranians their money because it was THEIR money, sequestered after the fall of the Shah and returned in the agreement to delay the Iranian nuclear program.

Your ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 12, 18 9:24 PM
Come on HHS! You can't use facts against conned people who have believer's syndrome. They won't let you shatter their illusion of reality. It's too painful...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 12, 18 9:40 PM
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HHS, all I want to add is hot air is not limited to republicans.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 18 9:50 PM
HHS Said: "The GDP did NOT grow sufficiently to offset the debt incurred by his tax cuts."

Sure it did the problem was he did not cut enough of the entitlements with the taxes !

By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 13, 18 12:04 AM
Sure! Let's start with your social security check!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 13, 18 6:59 AM
@HHS...for an individual who uses such big words to make themselves seem more intelligent than others...you are a dope.

Your argument that we HAD too give them back their money because it was their money is sheer BS. WE DON'T have to do anything. Time and time again they have proven to be less than trust worthy, unless you think maybe they are? Maybe we should be buddies? I mean, GOSH, look what they have done in Syria...with friends like that...its like you and your lapdog Z...blissfully ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 13, 18 12:28 AM
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We already gave ISIS money and weapons when we armed them a couple of decades ago.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 13, 18 7:02 AM
If you really want to sling an insult, call them Daesh.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 13, 18 8:54 AM
Jimmy, what do you mean by referral all comments?
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 18 2:40 PM
@ Jimmy McDoogan

Infantile prattle.

You spout nonsense and then, rather than attempt to defend your bogus assertions with FACTS (which, your beliefs being spurious, do not exist) resort instead to personal denigration.

YOU may approve of stealing, Jimmy McDoogan, but the USA is not a thief. Not only is the concept repugnant to Americans but our refusal to unfreeze Iranian assets would degrade our nation's ability to make agreements with ANYONE (the unfreezing being part ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 13, 18 8:39 AM
Here comes the bleating from our resident leftists claiming that their demented vision for our great nation is more enlightened and inclusive than what it has historically been.
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 13, 18 9:22 AM
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@hhs

My, my, my, the dollar has suffered so much the last 37 years in the world.

Let me put my thinking cap on, you argue we HAD to return the money, thinking like a true liberal you would be correct. Rational thought would be....no, we don't, what we should have done with that money is given it to the hostages and their families for the failure of the past Democrat presidents, First Truman then Carter that led to the crisis, and to the families of the service men killed in a ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 13, 18 10:59 AM
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yes ! thank you for this mr. MacDoogan
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 13, 18 11:59 AM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

To reiterate, most Americans are not thieves and do not approve of stealing. (Of course, this does NOT include The Donald, who advocated stealing Iraq's oil, or YOU.)

Your discursive post makes no attempt to validate your previous post's false statements and simply adds a few more. (This is what passes for "debate" in the mind of a Right-Winger.)

Finally, the fact is that Obamacare placed no inhibitions whatsoever on a doctor's ability to make money. ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 13, 18 12:04 PM
Fact check me then, and if you'd care to call me a criminal in person like a real man and not a keyboard commando, I'm happy to oblige at a location of your choosing. Amazing what the censors of this board place red ink on, and then let others skate if it fits within the papers past lean. The time will come shortly where you, Z, and the other commandos will loose your voice because you will no longer be able to hide behind your imac.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 14, 18 12:00 AM
Number one, I build my own machines and as a self respecting geek I would NEVER own an Apple product.

The most indicted and criminally convicted Presidential administrations of the last century were GOP led. You can fact check that all you want, and you'll find the Reagan administration holds the undisputed record for most criminal indictments and convictions by a wide and possibly insurmountable margin. But, give Trump some time...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 15, 18 7:39 PM
@hhs

Typical response. You never add anything to disprove someone, just say it isn't so. Ever wonder why the majority of posters don't agree with you? You have a serious case of "is it me? Or is it everybody else?" It's you.

Facc: Obama care is an epic failure and the American people were lied to.

Fact: Obama negotiated with terrorists, released terrorists, and said terrorists returned to the battlefield to fight American men and women.
.br/>F ct: Many Americans lost ...more
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 13, 18 3:01 PM
"Ever wonder why the majority of posters don't agree with you?"

Coincidentally, HHS has more likes on his comments than the person he is responding to.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 13, 18 3:32 PM
THAT is what you take away from my post...the fact that You, June bug, Z, and hhs "like" each other's comments? That's funny, but not surprising considering when faced with facts that's all you can muster. Keep "like"ing away....I prefer to base my statement on the responses from other posters.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 13, 18 4:31 PM
Ok, let's dig into some of your "facts" then. Why would the Obama recovery be the slowest since the 30s?

What was similar about 2008 and the the 1930s that would cause the recovery to be slow, and which one of your cites, exactly, addresses that?

What about the labor participation rate; is your premise that it should be at 100%?
Mar 14, 18 5:24 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I'd also much rather have June agreeing with me than PW Herman, tyvm
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 5:24 AM
Similarly both had Democrats in office, duh.

I listed my sources, I did my research, it's not up to me to try to prove my points any further. I cant understand how it must feel to post such an asinine statement about "like"s after a well researched post, and to STILL try to validate the original asinine post with a childish addendum of who "like"s and who doesn't. Really?

The quotations around facts is incorrect, you can verify everything I wrote with official US sources. Unless ...more
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 14, 18 9:55 AM
I took up an issue with a particular statement and supported it with empirical fact, unlike your statement about the 1930s; exactly none of your "cites" say anything about the 1930's.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 10:07 AM
Empirical Fact: Known from direct experience.
Wordreference.com

So, you have first hand knowledge of the 1930's and 2008 economy making you roughly 98 years old, or a liar. I'll go with Liar only because you never actually made a statement of fact in your post to Bayman, just questions and a poor opinion.

If you had made a Fact based statement refuting the 1930 to 2008 comparison, you'd be once again lying. I see a pattern. I did a quick Google search where all I did was type....I'll ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 14, 18 3:33 PM
That's an awful lot of words. It looks to me as if you're dignifying me with a thoughtful reply. Thanks! The empirical fact was actually about how many people liked "Jimmy MacDoogan's" comments vs. those written by HHS.

My comment about the 1930s was a two-fold question: which of your cites supports your premise (your answer was telling me to Google because you didn't provide any), and (taking for granted that it's true) what was it about the 1930s that was similar to 2008? (hint: the state ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 3:57 PM
My, the intelligentsia is in the house. An "empirical fact" does not require firsthand observation from any third party. By your interpretation, if you weren't on the moon to see Neil Armstrong step off the LEM, it never happened.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 15, 18 8:17 PM
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By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 16, 18 1:20 PM
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I told myself I wouldn't...but those were good times.

Ring Ring Z
Your Village is calling...
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 16, 18 4:15 PM
Jimmy, you misunderstood: My premise was that HHS had more likes than you on this exchange, not than Bayman, ever.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 16, 18 4:43 PM
Well, pardon me for de-evolving to your level and earning some "red ink".
Mar 16, 18 9:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
As a point of order, it should be noted you have blatantly ignored stated fact. GOP administrations for decades have been the most indicted, criminally convicted, and felonious by any measure. Criminals, as it were...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 16, 18 9:39 PM
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By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 16, 18 10:05 PM
Right, I wasn't addressing you, I was referring to you as "the person he is responding to."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 17, 18 3:32 AM
Ahem.

"As a point of order, it should be noted you have blatantly ignored stated fact. GOP administrations for decades have been the most indicted, criminally convicted, and felonious by any measure. Criminals, as it were..."
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 17, 18 7:20 AM
It's really quite simple. HighHatSize and his ilk believe this is an illegitimate nation from it's founding. The country was stolen from it's rightful owners, and illegal immigration represents a form of justice. The costs to local communities in the form of higher taxes, crime, a lower quality of life, even their lives at the hands of illegal alien criminals is a form of righteous retribution. They view people of European descent as colonizers who should be, one way or the other, diminished, and ...more
By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Mar 13, 18 4:42 PM
Monicker appropriate.
Mar 13, 18 5:22 PM appended by June Bug
The moron part. i.e.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 13, 18 5:22 PM
What's the difference between a socialist paradise and a libertarian paradise?

The socialist paradise will document its own demise while the libertarian paradise will just argue about whether that's the "role of government"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 5:21 AM
Certainly there are more options than socialist and libertarian.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 15, 18 8:42 AM
Jokes are like frogs; you can dissect them, but the thing dies in the process.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 15, 18 9:27 AM
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Humor is also a defense mechanism to cloud true intent.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 18, 18 1:44 PM
TRUMP NAMES FIRST WOMAN CIA CHIEF...Good stuff maybe a woman can break up this cabal and deep state mess!

POMPEO TAKES STATE...
Tillerson 'unaware of reason' for dismissal... Hows this for a reason Big Dog. YOUR FIRED ! Why dont you take H.R. McMaster and Jeff Sessions with you !
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 13, 18 5:57 PM
@ Bayman3142

Jimmy MacDoogan has made NO attempt to authenticate his (vacuous, specious) opinions. When he does so, I will respond appropriately. That's the way debate works.

Your logorrheic post is by turns prejudicial, misleading, false and irrelevant to the question of whether the deficits caused by the Reagan tax cuts were reversed by an increase in the GDP. They weren't - - - just as the contemporary Kansas tax cuts weren't - - - and just as the Trump tax cuts WILL NOT ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 14, 18 7:47 AM
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See above, you must be smarter than my listed sources also.

Ever realize you use the same response....prejudicial, misleading, false, irrelovent...but you never say how. Typical deflection with no basis in fact, other than what spins around under that tin foil cap of yours. Pure Democrat maneuvering. You dopes had 8 years to do something, congrats on wasting it.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 14, 18 10:06 AM
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You don't dignify nonsense with a thoughtful reply, you identify it as irrelevant and meet it with derision.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 10:09 AM
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HHS asumes the absentee ballots are not ...MILITARY!!

(by the way, the current margin of difference in the count is WELL UNDER the amount of the DFV [Democrat Fraud Vote] that always occurs) If ballots were only printed in English and people had to show a valid ID to vote democrats would never win another election.
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 14, 18 8:37 AM
@ 27dan

Awww. Puss-puss-puss.
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 14, 18 9:23 AM
Where are all the comments on House Intel committee report: NO TRUMP/RUSSIAN COLLUSION?????? Cat got your tongue?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 14, 18 11:25 AM
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What do you want to talk about? How the only thing the committee collectively agrees on is that it has no credibility?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 11:34 AM
Says who?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 14, 18 12:08 PM
"We have lost all credibility and we're going to issue probably two different reports, unfortunately,"so in that regard, that's why I called for the investigation to end." Rep. Thomas Rooney

"To be credible, the Russia investigation cannot simply take witnesses at their word, or accept baseless assertions of privilege where none apply." Rep. Adam Schiff
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 14, 18 1:20 PM
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Why aren't most of these comments deleted since they are completely off topic. Hampton Bays has serious issues that no one seems to want to address including all the liberals on this site or those that are on one side of the other of some local drinking establishment. Get off your bar stool or put away your bar rag and walk around Hampton Bays and take a good hard look at what is going on with all the blight. Thank you Lee Zeldin for stepping up for Hampton Bays. Yes, some of the facts may have ...more
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 18 8:24 AM
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Translation:

"We investigated ourselves, and found no evidence of wrongdoing."

There was no collusion, just Donny Jr. meeting Russians for dirt on Hillary Clinton. "If it's what you say, I love it..."
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 15, 18 7:57 PM
@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown

Actually, I stand ready to reply to Bayman3142 (and to his colleague, Jimmy MacDoogan) as soon as they make an effort at authenticate their assertions. Bayman3142's citations are not germane, for the reasons that I stated. If he wants to offer proofs of their responsiveness, I will be happy to address them.

Readers who have seen the epochally bad science fiction film, "Plan 9 From Outer Space" will recognize this duo's concept of reasoned debate in the speech ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 15, 18 6:39 PM
President Dennison, er Trump, also proposed purchasing some "stealth F-18" fighters. They are his most favoritest planes in the world. Their greatness is YUUUUUUGE. In fact, these are jets so stealthy, you couldn't find one on the planet, or in the air...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 15, 18 8:00 PM
...and the off topic, mind numbing, echo chamber of noise comments continue....
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 18 8:13 PM
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@ HB Proud

Your topic of choice was exhausted days ago.

Once it is said that The Honorable Lee's photo op contained not the slightest suggestion that he might provide any federal aid to help Hampton Bays eliminate illegal rentals, what more is there?

So we moved on to a discussion of the other empty suit at the meeting.

Keep up.

By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 15, 18 10:07 PM
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yawn.....
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 18 10:17 PM
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Well HB, the "problems" HB has don't make any money. The culture which has evolved has everything to do with profit and exploitation. C'est la vie...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 16, 18 9:52 PM
MR. Z - I agree - the limousine liberal, hypocritical NIMBY Town Board members that refuse to address the issues in Hampton Bays is the root cause of the problem. It IS all about profit and exploitation.
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 17, 18 8:15 AM
Grassley, Graham, Cornyn, Tillis Request Second Special Counsel to Examine DOJ and FBI Actions on Trump-Russia Probe
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 16, 18 12:55 AM
Trey Gowdy should be our Attorney General.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 16, 18 9:31 AM
Love Gowdy. But I think he's done with politics and government.
By DiseaseDiocese (234), Riverhead on Mar 16, 18 1:45 PM
Attorney General Jeff Sessions, acting on the recommendation of the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), fired former FBI Deputy Director Andrew “Andy” McCabe Friday.

It's about time Sessions did the right thing. Criminals deserve jail time, not a golden parachute.Now file criminal charges. Don't forget to include Lois Lerner, Comey, Hillary and good old Obama.
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 17, 18 12:37 AM
@ Bayman3142

Quote:

"THAT is what you take away from my post...the fact that You, June bug, Z, and hhs "like" each other's comments? That's funny, but not surprising considering when faced with facts that's all you can muster. Keep "like"ing away....I prefer to base my statement on the responses from other posters

By Bayman3142 (68), Southampton on Mar 13, 18 4:31 PM

'8' MEMBERS LIKED THIS COMMENT (emphasis added)"
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How ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 17, 18 8:45 AM
your welcome mr hat
Mar 17, 18 10:19 AM appended by Erin 27 E
sorry, " you're" i don't want to hear june cry today
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 17, 18 10:19 AM
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And you're welcome, Erin 27, for the literacy awareness. It accrues only to you.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 17, 18 11:57 AM
How refreshing it is to note our resident V.I. is still on top of his game, and that after a comment is 4 days old it is the only thing this space cadet is able to pull out of that tin foil cap.

Personally I think you're just "green" with envy...

@z
Blah, blah, blah....I suppose the fact that Bill was impeached, lied blatantly, destroyed another human beings life in the process, Hill busted up a bunch of phones, B.O. ( I'm gonna use that from now on for Obama)blocked any investigation ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 17, 18 10:26 AM
Pew.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 17, 18 12:52 PM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

Quote:

"How refreshing it is to note our resident V.I. is still on top of his game, and that after a comment is 4 days old it is the only thing this space cadet is able to pull out of that tin foil cap."
--------------------------------------------------

In my defense, it IS the most enjoyable recent Right-Wing comment.

To be contrasted with your (same old same old) ultimate post which, once again, repeatedly and tediously conflates opinion ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 17, 18 10:55 AM
Well, GEE, if hhs says it ain't true, he is a smarter than the whole N.Y. Times, CNN, MSNBC. I'm a country right wing pumpkin, and he talks like a well edumacated man.

So Bill didn't take $500,000.00 from a Russian bank as a speakers fee, and Hill never accepted campaign contributions from Canadian business men involved in a canadian uranium mining company that was later sold to the Russians given them complete control of the largest supply of uranium on the planet now know as Uranium One. ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 17, 18 12:32 PM
In other news, Chuck Schumer presented the U.S.S. Gallagher in model form to members of the Hero Gallaghers family. Unfortunately for Chuck, the model happened to be a Russian Sovremenny class destroyer. Russian collusion is everywhere I'm affraid, and knows no party lines.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 17, 18 6:37 PM
It seems like we are at war. The people who want to destroy Western Civilization - and they do - are taking off their masks.
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 18, 18 12:13 AM
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Do you have a source for that story about Schumer?

I'm pretty sure you made it up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 9:03 AM
Yeah, you're right I made it up. It just seemed so unbelievable I don't know what I was thinking right?

Look closely at that model
The picture captured a proud and emotional moment: Sen. Chuck Schumer on Monday announcing a new Navy warship to be named after Long Island hero and Irish immigrant Patrick Gallagher, who was awarded the Navy Cross for saving Marines in a Vietnam grenade attack in 1966. He was killed in action a year later at age 23. This week, the Senate Democratic leader ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 18, 18 1:01 PM
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Thanks for the source, and you'll have to forgive me: "Schumer Sovremenny model" didn't bring that up on Google.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 1:12 PM
Who created the ignorant people?
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 17, 18 1:23 PM
That's hard to pin down
Rachel Maddow, Elizabeth Warren, Anderson Cooper, CNN, Van Jones....could be any one of them.
God created us all equal, so it wasn't Him.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 17, 18 2:22 PM
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Or perhaps it was just Joe Pesci...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 17, 18 7:20 PM
What a pointless statement. So God created us all equal, but mass murderers are they're own blame. No it has to do with gun laws and access to them. I thought God controlled everything that happens. That's some God you have. When things go good you thank God, when things go bad it's man's fault. Genocide, famine, disease, wars etc, you can have your God.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 10:28 AM
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By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 10:29 AM
God, Santa Claus for adults.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 10:51 AM
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By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 8:30 PM
LOL....of course it is the mass murderers fault, he did the murdering, no? Who should take the blame for his murdering ways? The poor schlep who lives around the corner from him?

Some of the most infamous mass murders were carried out without a gun, that's a poor argument for gun laws, even tho I do support stronger laws. Also, guns don't just walk around shooting things, there is an individual with a culpable mental state behind the trigger. THAT needs to be addressed.

You thought ...more
Mar 19, 18 12:32 AM appended by Bayman3142
And just a quick note, by stating multiple times there is a God, means you believe in Him, and wether Bigfresh is what you you claim him to be or not, God loves him regardless. So in short you believe in God, but don't wish to follow His laws.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 19, 18 12:32 AM
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Children are starving to death in Africa, children are being bombed to death in Syria, and children are being shot to death in America, keep your God. God, Santa Claus for adults.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 19, 18 5:48 AM
"New Democratic spending bill continues to fund Planned Parenthood, an extension of Obama's executive amnesty, an ACA bailout, gun control, new taxes and...wait, this is the Republican spending bill?"

Via "The Federalist":

The Next Big Republican Spending Bill Is Packed With Liberal Priorities
Conservatives are in the position of having to fight like hell for their priorities to be included, only to be publicly shamed for 'obstructing' the process when they do.

By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 17, 18 7:25 PM
Breaking:

Revealed: 50 million Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach
Whistleblower describes how firm linked to former Trump adviser Steve Bannon compiled user data to target American voters

• How Cambridge Analytica’s algorithms turned ‘likes’ into a political tool
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 17, 18 7:28 PM
"When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you. "

~ John O. Brennan, Former CIA Director
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 17, 18 7:33 PM
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Are you really quoting John Brennan?

FACT: "An article in the Guardian last week provides more confirmation that John Brennan was the American progenitor of political espionage aimed at defeating Donald Trump. One side did collude with foreign powers to tip the election — Hillary’s."

FACT: He voted for a communist party candidate for POTUS during the Colad War

FACT: He studied in Saudi Arabia and and traveled to Medina (a place that only Muslims pilgrimage ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (234), Riverhead on Mar 17, 18 8:40 PM

@DiseaseDiocese: John Brennan studied at the American University in Cairo; he did not study in Saudi Arabia. (And if he did, so what?) He did not make a Hajj or Umbrah to Medina. But---ooga booga, he speaks Arabic! And OMG, a college student who voted for a communist? Unheard of. Do note he didn't lie about it while being vetted for security positions. Also unheard of in this sea of lies we're presently swimming in.
"Wow. John Brennan does not usually speak this way. ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 17, 18 11:27 PM
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Is DD's assertion really that ONLY Muslims go to Medina? I suppose only Jews visit Jerusalem and only Catholics come to the Vatican?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 8:41 AM
President Trump made the commitment to the American people to drain the swamp. He’s trying but the clog of self-serving politicians, partisan players, profiteers and socialists with their deep state agenda have been leaving their waste in the sewer that is DC for so long that the drain have become stopped. Mueller has been digging and digging and sill has found no indictment of our President. That says it all for me. Time to shut it down, Mr. Mueller....The people of the nation have lose hope ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 17, 18 11:17 PM
Lying so much you believe yourself?

Trump has not only appointed lobbyists and D.C. insiders, he's gotten waivers for nearly 200 personnel.

You wanna' buy a bridge?
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 18, 18 2:14 AM
UD: This is a reminder that Watergate took two years
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 8:57 AM
I absolutely love how these "down nosey's" react when faced with empirical fact, let's recap the responses...

"Pew"
June bug
BTW...june bug....Cotinis nitida, commonly known as the green June beetle, June bug or June beetle, is a beetle of the family Scarabaeidae. One of the most troublesome bugs – at least for a few weeks each summer – is the so-called June bug. These large and clumsy beetles are attracted to nighttime light, so they can be a pest to any outdoor evening ...more
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 12:31 AM
Yeah, uh, nice red ink ya' got there...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 18, 18 2:15 AM
One easy measure of success is the state of the economy, which was much stronger and more stable after those 8 years than before them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 8:49 AM
Yeah, uh, what red ink are you referring to...or is this another semi-Empirical fact that may or may not be empirical depending on which end your looking at it. My end happens to have glasses, pretty sure yours is covered and your sitting on it.

And again, that is how you try to refute the FACTS? I give Fore props, at least he tried.
Mar 18, 18 12:31 PM appended by Bayman3142
@metsfan LOL....of course it is the mass murderers fault, he did the murdering, no? Who should take the blame for his murdering ways? The poor schlep who lives around the corner from him? Some of the most infamous mass murders were carried out without a gun, that's a poor argument for gun laws, even tho I do support stronger laws. Also, guns don't just walk around shooting things, there is an individual with a culpable mental state behind the trigger. THAT needs to be addressed. You thought wrong. God KNOWS everything that is going to happen, but does not control what happens. God created us in His own image and gave us free will in the hopes that we would follow His teaching and direction. We failed God, not the other way around. If His people followed His laws, genocide, famine, wars, mass murder, hate, etc. would not be a problem. Those are the creation of man. I praise God in my best days, and I praise God in my darkest. I will keep my God thank you, and pray more people will find Him so peace becomes a possibility.
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 18, 18 12:31 PM
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I have my suspicions, ( and thats all the are ) that Fore may also be the moderator for the S H P

Are you Fore ?
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 18, 18 1:03 PM
Southampton press editors, can we get a fact check?

Am I the ringleader in this here circus, or just a side attraction?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 18, 18 1:10 PM
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Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history. Yet another fabled "Christian" who doesn't even know the "laws" and contents of his fabled "Good Book".

Deuteronomy 13:

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,
7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 19, 18 1:45 AM
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By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 19, 18 9:25 AM
Dolt?

The Lord said to Moses to take vengeance by making war. The Lord Your God commanded men to go to war for vengeance and retribution. Please stop with the poppycock.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 3:04 PM
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By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 20, 18 4:39 PM
Should we start with the Crusades, or St. Augustine who really introduced the flexibility in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill"? Perhaps the "milites christi" may ring a bell?

Religious differences across ethnic lines have started wars since the days of Mesopotamia.

By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 6:50 PM
@ Jimmy MacDoogan

While you've got the dictionary open, take a peak at "implication", "inference", "misdirection" and "supposition" as well. Your reply makes it clear that you are as ignorant of the meaning of these words as you are of the meaning of "fact", a confusion that leads to your posting of gratuitous smears in the delusion that they are reasonable.

After reviewing the definitions, test your comprehension by answering the following two questions:
:
1) How are ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 18, 18 7:19 AM
@hhs

While you have your dictionary open, take a gander at "deflect", "maladmister", "misapply", "denial", "delusional", and "dishonest". FACTS are facts, as stated, in public record, under sworn testimony. Now, unless you feel most Americans are okey dokey with lying under oath, but not okey dokey with keeping terrorist money, that is your problem. You have once again shown you have no intelligent information to contribute other that useless babble and your own misdirected opinions that ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 18, 18 1:19 PM
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@ Jimmy MacDoogan

While you've got the dictionary open, take a peak at "implication", "inference", "misdirection" and "supposition" as well. Your reply makes it clear that you are as ignorant of the meaning of these words as you are of the meaning of "fact", a confusion that leads to your posting of gratuitous smears in the delusion that they are reasonable.

After reviewing the definitions, test your comprehension by answering the following two questions:
:
1) How are ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 18, 18 7:20 AM
Deep State Spooked: Brennan Threatens Trump - Former CIA Director John Brennan reacted to the firing of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — and President Donald Trump’s celebration of it — by tweeting a strident attack against Trump: America was hijacked by power-hungry government fascists like Brennan a long time ago. Welcome to the Trump revolution
Mar 18, 18 12:56 PM appended by They call me
Brennan's over the top comments show the arrogance and disregard that the intel agencies had for Trump that allowed them to run roughshod over Trump's civil rights. Unfortunately, the GOP establishment has been little better. They deserve every bad thing that happens next election by basically putting their newly elected GOP president under criminal investigation for treason in both the House and Senate almost from the day that Trump came into office based on little more than Hillary's fake dossier and pressure from CNN. Unfortunately the base who elected Trump doesn't deserve what the GOP majority has put this country through. Richard Burr and the rest of the GOP establishment had better wake up soon or a new Democrat majority in the House and Senate will sweep all of the government corruption under the rug and push the Trump/Russia collusion meme nonstop for the rest of Trump's time in office. Wake up people!
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 18, 18 12:56 PM
Deep State panic mode. Gotta love it! Wait until the public learns that Obama and Osama are not coincidental. Great leak here exposing the Deep State's anti-American agenda;
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 18, 18 1:03 PM
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By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 18, 18 1:48 PM
In case you were at the Javits center getting loaded that wonderful night and missed the fact that America voted to drain the swamp. Big brown turds are hard to get rid of....keep flushing!! Muslims, Brennan and Barack orchestrated this !!

People like Brennan are still clogging the drain.

The law is in favor of the just.

Let the chips fall where they will.
Mar 18, 18 2:04 PM appended by They call me
Radical Muslims, Brennan and Barack orchestrated this !! Trump will finish It. IN TRUMP WITH THE HELP OF GOD WE TRUST ! MAGA
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 18, 18 2:04 PM
Sick.
The fact that's "missed" is that you "trust" in someone who actually thinks you are a "drain clogger". HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU. Or AMERICA for that matter.
Mar 18, 18 2:35 PM appended by June Bug
BTW. if it's Jesus whose help you're counting on, you do know he was a Middle Eastern pacifist who hated rich assholes, right?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 18, 18 2:35 PM
Oh, and loved minorities, I should add.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 18, 18 2:48 PM
WATCH: CNN trolls Melania’s upcoming ‘cyberbullying summit’ with a list of insults Trump uses on Twitter

Tom Boggioni
18 MAR 2018 AT 09:43 ET
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 19, 18 2:03 AM
Seems to me that the DOJ is moving toward an indictment of McCabe, Comey and some others in the Clinton crime cabal, The house of cards is coming down for the traitors of America
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 18, 18 9:32 PM
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Comey and McCabe will get a reduced sentence for turning over evidence needed to hang Hillary and that day can't get here soon enough!

DJT has done the impossible so far...

MAGA
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 18, 18 9:40 PM
Please ! We had enough evidance back when the HildeBeast was stealing the Nomination. Even if June B, Hat Head, Fore and Mets supported her then.

She brings much comedic relief with her trip and falls, but the best was when she was tossed unceremoniously into a Van like a sack of manure.

Keep it up Hildebeast you and Mad Maxine, along with Schiff for brains make the Three Stooges look like total amateurs of comedy.
Mar 19, 18 12:14 AM appended by joe hampton
What a great crop of potentials the Demwits have! Mad Maxine, Fauxcahontas, Pervy Joe Biden, Okrah, Crooked Hillary, BowOut Bernie, The Rock, Moonbeam Brown, Krazy Kamala... The list goes on and on! (LMAO.) Any, and all of these will provide UNLIMITED entertainment. President Trump will SLAUGHTER them! Lol. Can't wait. :-) GO TRUMP! MAGA!
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 19, 18 12:14 AM
Yep, Trump's goin' alright. LOL...


Lobbyists get ethics waivers to work for Trump despite executive order

Trump has granted more lobbyist waivers in 4 months than Obama did in 8 years
Trump Violating his own ethics rules at a staggering pace.

By Matthew Yglesias
Jun 1, 2017, 11:00am EDT
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 19, 18 1:52 AM
I see Joe panicking, Mueller must be getting closer. L'll Donnie Johnny, just wanted Russia to bail out his hotel business, launder a few bucks, and build some hotels in Moscow. In return, your a traitor to the United States and help Russia get back on it's feet. Seemed like a good deal to the worst businessman on the planet. Was there anything he touched that didn't go into bankruptcy?
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 19, 18 5:44 AM

Matthew Yglesias Almost as bad as Matt Taibbi, Pauli Thugman or Robert Reich

Matthew Yglesias

Senior Correspondent

Matthew Yglesias co-founded Vox.com with Ezra Klein and Melissa Bell back in the spring of 2014. He's currently a senior correspondent focused on politics and economic policy, and co-hosts The Weeds podcast twice a week on Tuesdays and Fridays. Before launching Vox, he was the author of the Moneybag column for Slate and before that he wrote and blogged ...more
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 19, 18 7:33 AM
Apparently there's a double standard in operation on this board. Certain of you are exempt from citing sources? What is the source of this ridiculous word salad? (Don't have time to do it full justice, but to isolate just one instance of its absurdity, Yglesias says black conservatives existed prior to Clarence Thomas, and then, in supposed "refutation", the writer says black conservatives existed prior to Clarence Thomas. The object is to discredit a progressive for the dolts who'll be ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 19, 18 11:03 AM
BREAKING:

NIXON BLASTS 'FALSE CHARGES'
Asks Public to end 'Obsession',
Get On With Nation's Business

'Time to let WaterGate Go To Courts'

~ Daily News, August 16, 1973
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 19, 18 2:15 AM
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@ Jimmy MacDoogan

Twaddle.

The "facts" you post are irrelevant absent implication or inference. You don't have the actual "facts" so you post ones that are germane only in your biased presumption. If any of your implied or inferred BELIEFS were actually FACTS, indictments would have ensued. They HAVEN'T because they AREN'T.

"Facts are facts", as you say, Jimmy MacDoogan, but "beliefs" are NOT - - - and casuistry is still casuistry.

Your (and your true believer ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 19, 18 8:11 AM
@hhs

So, according to your post, if you have a fact it is followed by an indictment, no indictment and it is just a belief and a presumption.
Got it.
Explains the delusional world you live in.

You need to pay better attention, I wrote in a candidate, when faced with the 2 lesser evils I took a different route so I can look my children in the eye and tell them I believe in honesty and integrity. The lesser of the worse choice won, and I am not completely comfortable with ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 19, 18 9:48 AM
In other news

During a recent trip to India, Clinton told attendees at a conference in Mumbai that Americans did not "deserve" a Trump presidency, said she won the states "that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward," and said that Trump's campaign was "looking backwards."

Clinton summed up Trump's message as "you know, you didn't like black people getting rights, you don't like women, you know, getting jobs. You don't want, you know, to see that Indian American succeeding ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 19, 18 11:14 AM
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That Hillary Clinton was a profoundly unpopular candidate does not negate the fact that I would rather live in any dark-blue state than any dark-red state.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 19, 18 11:31 AM
Anyone who does not support moving forward some common sense, baby step gun laws to try to prevent some mass murder shootings is complicit with them. Why a teenager is legal to buy an automatic weapon when the rental car industry does not trust anyone under twenty five to rent a car, but an automatic rifle yep that's all right. Mental health exam with data integration is not too much to ask for.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 19, 18 11:27 AM
"automatic weapon"...LOL...

It just doesn't sink in.

"under twenty five to rent a car",,,LMAO!

Complicit? I think not.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 19, 18 1:39 PM
We have been through this ad nauseam Mets, You could do the same amount of damage with a car, a truck, a plane, of a knife! So please stop with your " Never let a good crisis go to waste BS.


Instead if you really care about the children lets harden our schools with real armed security personal and secure entrances with metal detection devices so our children can feel safe while in class all day!
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 19, 18 8:43 PM
I've still not heard how metal detectors are supposed to stop a mass shooting...guy walks in holding rifle, metal detector goes off, and he starts shooting. What did we achieve?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 6:08 AM
It's commonly know as a layered approach to security - hardening to address multiple / different threats.

By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 8:24 AM
Another school shooting in Maryland today. How many mass murders do you have by grenades. None, because they're illegal . Your right wing talking points of answering gun massacres with more guns is not working and you find it very bearable with the mass carnage that the current orange cheetoh and our local idiot congressman whole heartedly endorse. Ever hear of someone killing seventeen people with a knife. Your a joke.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 20, 18 9:03 AM
politicizing a tragedy, well done Komrade, the Democrat Party applauds your diligence.
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 20, 18 10:35 AM
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"Another school shooting in Maryland today. How many mass murders do you have by grenades. None, because they're illegal."

First and foremost, here is to a speedy recovery to the victims of this tragic domestic related shooting, and God bless the Police Officer who engaged and terminated the threat at great peril to himself.

@metsfan, I will direct your attention to the current situation developing in Texas. Grenades are not needed to cause death by explosion.

In the ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 20, 18 2:48 PM
What I find ironic is that the Southampton Town Board is taking any notice of the long ignored hamlet of Hampton Bays, even if only to score some political points with the County Democratic Party.

The Town Board has traditionally treated Hampton Bays like a red-headed step-child, happily coughing discreetly and looking away whenever there's a crime or code violation or racial event. My sister and her husband have lived there for several decades and says the last time the Town actually ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1805), Northampton on Mar 19, 18 1:51 PM
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Frank,except for the reference to the red-headed stepchildren, I couldn't agree more. It is such a joke - it has been the dumping ground for decades and the newly elected democratic Board members believe they have been validated since they won...well I think the tide is turning. Thank you Lee Zeldin.
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 19, 18 2:19 PM
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@ joe hampton, Jimmy MacDoogan & Po Boy

Jesus wept!

Get over Hillary and The Clintons. She lost and neither she nor he holds elective office (or is likely to ever again) Try directing your attentions to questions of actual relevance to our future. (E.g. Should the House bill be passed that forbids the president from initiating nuclear war war in the absence of an attack by a foreign power?)

Your political onanism is distasteful.
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@ ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 19, 18 2:13 PM
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Hat, the point is that if Trump is going to go down for money laundering or something, then they BETTER get Hillary for...wait, what did she do, again?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 19, 18 2:29 PM
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and the mind numbing rhetoric continues when a young woman from the village of Southampton was sexually assaulted in her bed and ran naked through the street away from an illegal immigrant living in Hampton Bays who was threatening to kill her with a bat.
....seriously - look around - Hillary old new Trurnp maybe future news - here now - sexual assaults, MS-13, brothels happening in our back and front yards - that is where the outrage should be - not worrying about some services at the library ...more
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 19, 18 8:28 PM
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HB Proud, please stay on topic. This conversation is about the many crimes of the Clinton Cartel, it'd be appreciated if you kept your responses limited to speculation about what Mueller will indict Hillary for.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 19, 18 10:30 PM
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It is your topic, not the topic of the article. What a waste of time and energy. Yawn. yada yada yada.
By HB Proud (888), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 18 6:48 PM
Mueller wasn't appointed to police Trumps every move. This has gone way beyond the Russian collusion investigation . Time for Mueller to present his evidence of collusion or hit the road.
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 19, 18 8:35 PM
CNN PANEL ADMITS: TRUMP CAN FIRE MUELLER
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 19, 18 8:57 PM
The special counsel is empowered to investigate all crimes arising out of the investigation. I wish Trump would fire Mueller, that'd speed up this whole impeachment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 19, 18 10:32 PM
With no evidence against the president, Mueller wishes the president would fire him.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 8:30 AM
Yes, but will you still be saying this if it turns out he does?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 8:54 AM
It's not about me or what I'm saying, but my position under the hypothetical situation presented will be based on the facts.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 10:51 AM
A hypothetical situation where evidence doesn't exist at all, or one where the ongoing investigation means even if it did, you wouldn't be aware of it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 10:53 AM
No more or less than what you know. The difference is lack of rush to judgement.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 10:58 AM
Isn't calling for a premature end to the investigation a rush to judgement?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 11:01 AM
@27dan: Why the rush? It'd probably take a decade to fully investigate the extent of trump's lifetime of crimes. Took 2 years to get Nixon, and as John Dean said yesterday, "trump is Nixon on steroids and stilts". And the hits just keep on coming...Only yesterday, thanks to Cambridge Analytica on top of everything else, we know trump...

1) Created oppo research dossiers
2) Created fake news
3) Used stolen data
4) Distributed stolen emails
5) Received illicit ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 11:50 AM
Isn't 14 Months without an inkling of evidence against the president, hardly a rush to judgment?
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 12:07 PM
Geez, there seems to be a plethora of armchair special counsels on the East End! Who knew?
Can you provide your evidence of no evidence?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 12:14 PM
Any time diGenova says Mueller should wrap up, he should be reminded that he spent 3 years in the early ‘90s as special counsel investigating whether GHW Bush improperly gathered info on Bill Clinton's travels as a student. 3 years. And on a nothingburger.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 1:19 PM
"There are all kinds of rumors around, there are newspaper stories, but that's not necessarily evidence"

~ Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 1:20 PM
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Evidence is what's in Mueller's files, not what's on Fox News or CNN.

In light of the number of indictments and pleas already obtained, he's surely bought himself some time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 1:23 PM
Until such time evidence is demonstrated, I am of the belief it to be in the best interest of the country to move on. It's been 14 months.

IF those indictments had anything to do with Trump or collusion I would agree with you. But they are completely unrelated and the particulars took place years ago. Let's give it a rest.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 6:58 PM
You're tying yourself to "collusion" when the focus of the investigation is Russian election influence and any crimes arising out of the investigation.

If you think lying about lobbying for pro-Russia Ukrainian political parties has nothing to do with Russia, then you haven't been paying attention.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 7:56 AM
I'm tying myself to icollusion because no one should have carte blanche investigation authority that is clearly outside the scope of what the intent of the investigation is about. You're not tying yourself to it, because you approve of the witch hunt.

By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 21, 18 12:26 PM
< - - - **DRUDGE POLL**

SHOULD PRESIDENT TRUMP FIRE MUELLER?

75.84 % OUT OF 613,766 SAY YES !

AND SO DO I !
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 19, 18 9:22 PM
IN EXPLOSIVE NEW FUTURE BEST SELLING BOOK : Schweizer Details Biden Family Deals with China... Biden's son also got a seat on the board of the Ukrainian energy corporation the day after daddy visited Ukraine.
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 20, 18 12:22 AM
Schweizer: We Need Legislation to Disclose Deals Between Family Members of Politicians, Foreign Governments
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 20, 18 2:56 PM
"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
So believing in God causes death? I believe in God, yet, I am not yet dead. I am actually more concerned about cancer and the zombie apocalypse than my belief killing me. Or did you mean death in war? Or maybe just ashes to ashes? What an absolutely imbecilic comment, even for you, no, wait, I take that back. "Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history." it must be an empirical ...more
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 20, 18 1:22 AM
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100% of people who believe in god die, it's a fact.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 6:06 AM
100% of those who don't believe in God, beg for His mercy, at death.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 8:21 AM
It would seem you have no way of knowing that. I wonder if that's what Stephen Hawking thought at the end of his life?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 10:48 AM
Just as you have no way of knowing if those who believe in God, do in fact, die.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 10:53 AM
Just as you have no way of knowing if those who believe in God, do in fact, die.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 10:53 AM
All evidence points to the inevitable being just that, regardless of religious beliefs.
Mar 20, 18 10:55 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
How about: "of all people who have ever held religious beliefs, only an infinitesimal number remain alive"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 10:55 AM
Whatever makes you happy.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 10:59 AM
What beliefs would make me happy and what beliefs I can substantiate are, unfortunately, not always congruent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 11:03 AM
31 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.”

3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4 Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5 So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6 ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 6:44 PM
Z, please attribute your sources and quotes....

~ The Lord
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 7:00 PM
That would be the Old Testament. Don't you know your "Good Book"?
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 7:05 PM
Source: thousand-year old game of telephone.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 1:36 AM
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@Fore, are you implying that the belief in God leads directly to death? That is certainly something worth letting the rest of the world know. Its a shame Mother Teresa did not know that, she wasted 87 years just to die for her belief. Here is another fact for you....

100% of people who do not believe in God die.
Mind blowing.
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 20, 18 11:23 AM
Finally someone got the joke!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 11:42 AM
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“The ‘God Excuse’. The last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument.”

~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 7:59 PM
ONE BY ONE....

GOP confronts another failed tax experiment in Oklahoma
By SEAN MURPHY
Mar. 16, 2018
https://apnews.com
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — When the GOP took full control of Oklahoma government after the 2010 election, lawmakers set out to make it a model of Republican principles, with lower taxes, lighter regulation and a raft of business-friendly reforms.

Conservatives passed all of it, setting in motion a grand experiment. Now it’s time for ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 12:15 PM
cutting spending to correspond with revenue would be a good start JuneZ, I know you and your alter ego much prefer taxing the crap out of business and the most successful instead.
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 20, 18 3:08 PM
Why not both?

If we raise the retirement age, it's only fair to raise the income limit on FICA taxes too.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 20, 18 3:14 PM
Why would you want businesses and the most successful taxed harder than they are now Foreign?! These folks are paying for damn near everything as it is. Common sense dictates that you don't spend more than you take in, cut the profligate spending first!
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 20, 18 5:20 PM
June, you should check out Candace Owens she is awsome "Ideological slave ship that is the Demoncratic party"! We need black Americans, not black African Americans, it's time to move on. I thought I was liberal my whole life until about 2012. My god, The left has gone insane.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 20, 18 6:13 PM
Sorry, don't spend precious time on nobodies. Is she now in the curious pantheon of women you admire along with the Russkis with loose morals?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 8:56 PM
BF: because if we're asking working-class people to give something up, we should be asking business owners to give something up too.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 1:37 AM
"Michael Moore Hammers the Media for Obsessive Coverage of Russia and Stormy Daniels"

If a pile of left wing excrement is saying this, Trump supporters have had just about enough !

Stop the freaking witch hunt !

Start investigating the investigators !
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 20, 18 2:57 PM
Why don't you provide the full context? He is right to complain that the media is ignoring equally important issues specifically inequality.
Herewith another valid complaint, this time from the right:

TRENDING

An "Ashamed" Fox News Commentator Just Quit The "Propaganda Machine"
"Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association," Col. Ralph Peters wrote in an email to colleagues. "Now I am ashamed."


In my view, Fox has degenerated from ...more
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 6:20 PM
June June stop your gas lighting and relax, maybe go bake some cookies or take a walk
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Mar 20, 18 6:23 PM
huh hon , i have been keeping track of the sites you seem to frequent like vox . why is it most of these left wing bomb throwing stories do not allow comments ?
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 20, 18 6:30 PM
@UD: My bad: Forgot to put in the quotation marks. The "gas lighting" is an excerpt from Col. Peters' departure letter to his colleagues at Fox.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 6:47 PM
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Martha Stewart went to jail, because she knew her stock was going to take a hit and I'd take a guess Mark Zuckerberg did too, so that is why he sold it.
We should lock Suck A turd up for 50 years and make an example out of him!
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 5:12 PM
It seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

Donald Trump Jr. Cheated on Wife Vanessa with Former Apprentice Contestant Aubrey O’Day: Report

Tierney McAfee March 20, 2018 03:30 PM
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 7:37 PM
The funniest part of the story is that Rev. trump Sr. intervened with some "marriage counseling".
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 20, 18 7:59 PM
who cares ? didn't they teach us during the clinton administration what goes on in the president's bedroom does not matter. at least thats how i remember it . we were told at the time its just sex and its no ones business over and over !
By Erin 27 E (1122), hampton bays on Mar 20, 18 8:58 PM
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Hilarious point Erin, check out what one of Junzeys hero's said on the subject...

Matt Yglesias recently wrote for Vox, the left’s defense of Clinton revolved around glossing over other accusations, centering the Lewinsky scandal, characterizing it as consensual, and blaming the prurience and puritanism of the American media. Clinton characterized the affair as a private indiscretion, saying, "I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It’s nobody's business but ours. ...more
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 20, 18 9:05 PM
Opps, Nice work,

Funny !
Funny !
Funny!
By Ditch Bum (627), Water Mill on Mar 20, 18 9:10 PM
Probably the "classy" Melania cares. She'll be leaving skid marks when it comes to dumping her loser husband.
By Mets fan (1285), Southampton on Mar 21, 18 5:59 AM
@Erkin 27 E Well, you remembered wrong--so apoplectic were y'all that you preserved a dress for proof and taped Monica's phone conversations, then put the president under oath. Yes, he lied, but I know y'all don't care about lying now, either. However, he didn't bribe Monica for her silence or violate campaign finance laws in the process, nor did he threaten her with physical harm. Nor was he subject to blackmail. trump has us in unprecedented territory everyone should care about.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 11:06 AM
19 Mar 2018

Data, Democracy and Dirty Tricks: Cambridge Analytica Uncovered

A five-part exposé into Cambridge Analytica – the British data firm linked to Trump’s win.

~ 4 News
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 20, 18 8:47 PM
But were any of them Russians?




By Frank Wheeler (1805), Northampton on Mar 20, 18 11:32 PM
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By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 21, 18 12:46 AM
@ Bayman3142

St. Augustine also believed that a fetus didn't become a person ("ensouled") until the "quickening", which occurred sometime after conception, so that abortion prior to that event is not homicide; and that the original sin of Adam and Eve is passed to each successive generation through the pleasure generated during sexual intercourse.

His "just war" doctrine is repudiated by modern Catholic Church leaders* and there is speculation that Pope Francis may renounce it.

Catholic ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 5:14 AM
Note how he conveniently ignored history dating back to Mesopotamia.
Mar 21, 18 6:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
Also, you ignore slavery which is justified not only in the "Good Book", but in the Torah as well.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 21, 18 6:43 AM
@hhs

Twaddle

I am not Catholic, I am Christian. z called me out for being Christian, pay attention. Also, z brought the topic to St. Augustine. I merely directed his attention to how the theory of 'Just War" is applicable, and in fact, needed. I do appreciate you contributing, you clearly lay out your argument, and the source. Bravo. It is more than z has ever done.

@z

Must be nice to have someone in hhs who has more than "Note how he conveniently ignored history ...more
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 21, 18 10:29 AM
Wait, did I predict your "red ink"?

Hell, I must belong in the "Good Book"...

LMMFAO
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 21, 18 7:52 PM
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By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 22, 18 12:13 AM
Still won't answer, pathetic!

ROFLMAO
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 22, 18 1:45 PM
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As I have stated for quite some time:

"Prove your God exists".

Still haven't answered, so sad...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 1:10 AM
OH, WAIT.

You believe in the New Testament god, and ignore the Old Testament god. Yes, clearly there was a marked improvement in "God's" behavior in the sequel. Or, perhaps the old one just must have been another false god...
Mar 23, 18 1:28 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, have you now or have you ever been diagnosed with a persecutory delusion?
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 1:28 AM
"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

Your imbecilic false statement has nothing to do with whether God exists or not, just the belief. Answer the simple question. Cite your sources.( I'll give you a hint, you seem to be dumfound.....you do not have a single source and are just trying to get away from stating it )

As I have stated for quite some time:
"Prove your God exists".

AND, prove you have asked at any other time ...more
Mar 23, 18 9:19 AM appended by Bayman3142
BTW...have you now, or ever been in the past, diagnosed with pseudologia fantastica and mythomania? I'm no doctor, but you gots a bad case of it!
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 23, 18 9:19 AM
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You answer to "prove god exists" is "read the bible"?
Mar 23, 18 9:36 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
*your
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 23, 18 9:36 AM
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I'm gonna have to call you on a technical foul here fore.

I don't see Bayman trying to prove the existence by reading, I think he's trying to level the playing field with a very confused opponent. ( I'm going to use lots of sport references, have you noticed?)

"You believe in the New Testament god, and ignore the Old Testament god. Yes, clearly there was a marked improvement in "God's" behavior in the sequel. Or, perhaps the old one just must have been another false god..." ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 23, 18 10:27 AM
The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder. Add that to your 20th century "tally".

Get over yourselves, for the benefit of not only the planet, but the Universe.
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 11:58 PM
@ Erin27 E, 27dan, joe hampton, Undocumented Democrat, widow gavits & Ditch Bum

Let's just ignore the newly uncovered evidence that The Donald used the illegally obtained personal data of more than 50 million Americans in order to manipulate their vote. Let's instead focus all of our attention on the utterly irrelevant Clintons.

You true believers live in the past obsessively because the present, with its daily revelations of ever more examples of The Donald's moral turpitude, ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 5:24 AM
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No Russian collusion? Now u wait for "financial crimes? That wqas no his mandate.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 10:47 AM
"and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 11:16 AM
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Which gave him powers NOBODY should have - with no oversight. He is destroying many people financially (tens of thousands of dollars) to hire lawyers anybody would if called in to testify to special counsel. Innocent people are being ruined by his witch hunt. Would this be going on if those who testify are reimbursed for legal fees if not charged with anything? Maybe you'll be next. Do u have $30,000 as a minimum to spare???? Innocent as you may be.....
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 11:52 AM
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If they are innocent, and even if they are not, my advice would be the same: never talk to investigators. A person who is subpoenaed must present themselves but can still plead the fifth.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 12:13 PM
So if everyone pleads the fifth as you suggest, investigations would go nowhere. What's the point?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 12:19 PM
People regularly choose to waive their own rights because they believe cooperation will earn them preferential treatment.

An example is how people frequently empty their own pockets when asked by police. In the Mueller investigation, they're pleading guilty to lesser charges.

Also, sometimes people consider it their civic duty to cooperate at their own peril.

I would label both groups naive.

If they haven't charged you yet, you don't have to spend $30,000 on an ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 12:49 PM
So u think it's ok to be interviewed by authorities without a lawyer? Wait until you're charged? Good luck with that!
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 12:55 PM
No, you should never agree to the interview in the first place.

I think it's preferable to decline an interview with authorities and make them arrest you than to serve yourself up on a silver platter. If you're charged and cannot afford a private attorney, one will be provided for you.

The reality is that interactions between citizens and law enforcement are inherently adversarial; failure to recognize that is naivety.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 1:03 PM
Hey, kids, Taz doesn't like our system of American justice, but he'd make an exception for a special counsel to go after it. And he thinks Robert Mueller has "no oversight".
Funny, we never heard him complain about Ken Starr or Archibald Cox (whose firing btw was found illegal and considered an abuse of presidential power by the American people).
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 1:14 PM
I repeat. Good luck with that! A Mueller grand jury subpoena would be forthcoming long before charges are filed.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 1:16 PM
So you put on your nicest suit, take the stand, and refuse to testify. It's really not rocket science: the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

If you're innocent, there's nothing to gain from cooperating with authorities.

Unless you need help, never talk to police.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 2:09 PM
Wait for second special counsel on Mueller, Comey, McCabe, etc.....Moral turpitude indeed.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 10:50 AM
June Bug...what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop all special counsels!!!! If u claim Trump has nothing to worry about if he's innocent, that goes for your guys too!!!! Let them pay lawyers 10s of thousands and then not be charged as has happened to many interviewees in the Mueller investigation. Disgraceful!
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 1:34 PM
So what is your idea of a judicial system?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 1:43 PM
A public hearing/trial where you can hear your accusers and defend yourself against them. NOT A CLOSED DOOR INQUISITION!!!!
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 2:24 PM
A grand jury doesn't decide guilt or innocence, they issue indictments.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 2:28 PM
There can be no "accusers" or accusations until facts are gathered and corroborated. This is an investigation, not a trial.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 2:29 PM
It's a ONE sided inquisition, grand juries don't allow defense attorneys in, just prosecutors LOOKING for an indictment. Terrible system. Unfortunately for June et al, we don't live in an ideal society. People have agendas. Pity the ones who are targets.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 2:34 PM
Again, what is your prescription for having charges brought?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 2:43 PM
So when people arrested on the street, at which point should they have attorneys prior to being charged?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 2:55 PM
An arrest requires a reading of a person's Miranda rights. Right to an attorney immediately. But I thought we were discussing the methods of a special counsel where people are brought before a grand jury just for questioning - without the right to a lawyer present. They are not arrested for anything...........yet. Not a good system, IMHO.
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 3:06 PM
Where are you getting your information re: the Special Counsel? People are not being brought before a grand jury. Mueller's purview is limited to interviewing witnesses (with lawyer present if desired), subpoening documents, and if evidence merits, working with the FBI to bring criminal charges. All done with oversight by the DOJ.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 3:30 PM
Some people are being questioned under oath by Mueller's team.

A grand jury has been convened in at least one case (Manafort).

An arrest does not require reading miranda rights, only interrogation does.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 3:37 PM
And if one refuses to being "interviewed" then one can be brought before the grand jury. Weren't those the threats leveled at Trump when Mueller's team were suggesting they might interview Trump? What would happen to any individual, putting Trump aside for the moment, if one refused to testify to special counsel? Investigators would just go away? lol
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 3:56 PM
@Fore: Yes, a grand jury once evidence warrants. I interpreted Taz' statement that "special counsel where people are brought before a grand jury just for questioning - without the right to a lawyer present" to mean that he was describing going before Mueller.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 3:56 PM
Not sure about that. An arrest involves questioning, thus Miranda. When was anyone ever arrested and not questioned?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 3:58 PM
So let's go through this logically:

If a person refuses an interview, they are subpoenaed to a grand jury.

If they are subpoenaed, they can show up and plead the fifth.

If there is no evidence that amounts to probable cause that the individual committed a crime, that individual is free to go.

Remember how Bannon invoked executive privilege? That's not the only right that can be asserted, and asserting your rights is not evidence of a crime.
Mar 21, 18 7:28 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
To your question about Miranda: it's standard procedure to ask questions at the crime scene which, prior to arrest, are generally not interrogatory. For example if an officer asks "what's going on?" and someone says "I killed Sally with a knife," that statement is admissible in court. However, if a person is arrested, then questioning must be preceded by a miranda statement and an affirmative waiver of one's rights. In that case, if a person did not waive their rights, the interrogation and all products thereof are inadmissible as evidence against a defendant.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 7:28 PM
I don't know the answer, I wish I did. I do know one thing..."a Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich!" They are one-sided!!!!!!!
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 2:57 PM
Well, normally what would happen is a DA would unilaterally decide whether or not to press charges, so if anything, a grand jury provides an extra layer of protection against malicious prosecution.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 3:01 PM
So if it's such a bad system, why has it been in existence for over 200 years, and why is it the model for the world? You are parroting what has become a mantra, and speak as if the GJ is the final step in due process. Do you hate trials as well?
Ever been on a grand jury? I have. There was deliberation to the point of argument, and no rubber stamping.
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 3:10 PM
In an ideal world. Sounds good, but all depends on the prosecutor's presentation to the grand jury with giving the accused an opportunity to respond. Why not?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 3:12 PM
“Because we have a bunch of dumbs‑‑‑s over there,” Salcido said in the video. “Think about the people who you know who are over there. Your freaking stupid Uncle Louie or whatever. … They’re not like high-level thinkers, they’re not academic people, they’re not intellectual people. They’re the lowest of our low.”

Progressive far left democrat gregory salcido ( lower case purposely placed )then explains his remark.

“I ...more
Mar 21, 18 3:19 PM appended by Jimmy MacDoogan
Hear
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 21, 18 3:19 PM
Talk to me about the corrupt, sadistic, racist brute Republican Arpaio, or the Neo-Nazi Holocaust denier who just won a Republican primary in IL. You think your side is devoid of nutcases and loose cannons?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 7:47 PM
From what I understand, there are lots of Military Occupations that require education and translate into high-paying public or private sector jobs, particularly those having to do with expensive technology.

However, infantryman is not one of them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 7:55 PM
HEY JUNE... HE RAN UNOPPOSED. NICE TRY. ARPAIO DEALT WITH CONVICTS... I. E. CRIMINALS, COMPARING OUR MILITARY TO CRIMINALS IS THE LOWEST, BUT NOT SURPRISINGLY CONSIDERING WHAT YOU ACTUALLY STAND FOR.

HEY FORE... DO SOME RESEARCH ON OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE INFANTRY... EVEN THE "GRUNTS" AND SEE THE EDUCATION LEVEL.

KEEP IT COMING LEFTIES. YOU ARE TRULY DISGUSTING.

Honestly, this is the most disturbing reply to any post. I seriously thought you lefties would put ...more
By Jimmy MacDoogan (43), Flanders on Mar 21, 18 10:06 PM
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But thousands of people still went out to vote for him.

All I'm saying is that some occupations require extensive education, but 11b infantry is not one.

That's your real name? Yikes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 10:25 PM
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By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 21, 18 10:55 PM
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That and a clean bill of health. Uncle Sam only sends his best but the sooner all of our military casualties are replaced by robots, the better.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 22, 18 12:02 AM
@Jimmy MacDoogan: My goodness, so exorcised!
How about a little recap now that you've hopefully calmed down:
Yes, the Neo-Nazi ran "unopposed", but that's who the Republicans put up. AND HE GARNERED OVER 20,000 REPUBLICAN VOTES.
ARPAIO WAS CONVICTED OF CRIMES. And then the criminal in the WH--WHO LOVES THE MILITARY SO MUCH HE DUCKED OUT OF SERVICE FIVE TIMES WITH SOME BOGUS BONE SPURS-- shamelessly and outrageously pardoned him. Before he was even sentenced.
...more
Mar 22, 18 11:19 AM appended by June Bug
Are you at all exorcised over the fact that the draft-dodging commander-in-chief --you know, the one who wouldn't go to war WITH a gun, but claims he'd run towards AK-15 fire without one-- refuses to visit our troops in war zones? Or just a rant by someone you think is a "progressive"?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 22, 18 11:19 AM
Anything that's worked for 200 years is ok then? How about civil rights that changed 50 years ago after 200 years of discrimination, racism and sexism? Why make new rules about the second amendment? Even Obama ran on a platform of "Change."
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 3:32 PM
A system of jurisprudence vs. attitudes? You're kidding, right?
By June Bug (2208), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 21, 18 7:06 PM
BTW, even just talking to a federal agent without being under oath puts one at risk for charges if feds so decide. Isn't that what happened to Flynn?
By Taz (508), East Quogue on Mar 21, 18 4:03 PM
Right. He lied to investigators. You can't lie to investigators if you refuse to speak with them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 21, 18 4:22 PM
OOPS:

TRUMP WHITE HOUSE ASSOCIATE GEORGE NADER WAS CONVICTED ON CHILD PORN CHARGES IN VIRGINIA

BY GREG PRICE ON 3/16/18 AT 2:40 PM
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 21, 18 7:55 PM
OOPS

A leading young Democrat and de Blasio administration employee has a secret taste for sickening kiddie porn that involves baby girls as young as 6 months old, court papers revealed Friday.
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 21, 18 11:02 PM
OOPS

Teh Enforcer
United States

#2 Apr 10, 2014
Democratic State Senator Dan Sutton of Flandreau, South Dakota accused of fondling a male page. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Carl Stanley McGee, 38, prominent gay activist, assistant secretary for policy and planning and top aid to democrat governor Deval Patrick of Massachuttsettes, accused of sexually assaulting a 15 year old boy in a steam room at a Florida resort. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/gen... ...more
By NYIRISH (4), Mastic on Mar 21, 18 11:11 PM
Interesting historical chronology of Democratic sexual peccadilloes over the past five decades -- and one that will likely be removed by the 27 East Webmaster at his earliest opportunity.

Glad you ran out of steam before you got to the GOP side, which in the interests of fairness and balance, I'm confident that you were about to do.






By Frank Wheeler (1805), Northampton on Mar 22, 18 1:14 AM
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Oooppppps

Anthony David Weiner (/ˈwiːnər/;[3] born September 4, 1964) is an American former Democratic congressman who represented New York's 9th congressional district from January 1999 until June 2011. He won seven terms as a Democrat, never receiving less than 60% of the vote. Weiner resigned from Congress in June 2011 after the first of several sexting scandals involving underage children became public.

Anthony Weiner
Anthony Weiner, official portrait, 112th ...more
By NYIRISH (4), Mastic on Mar 21, 18 11:16 PM
You forgot the most important part of Antony's resume: Broker of the Hillary Clinton illegal classified bathroom water closet server Emails... the ones that he transfered from his wifes computer for future bargaining insurance, in case he every had to try and save his own skin.
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 22, 18 12:05 AM
Good Lord Mr. Z., does the hatred have no end?? So disappointed....

The dude was an adviser to the Emirate crown prince who represented the kingdom’s interests in White House meetings during the early months of the Trump administration to discuss U.S. policies toward Persian Gulf states.
By Po Boy (3125), Water Mill on Mar 21, 18 11:38 PM
GOP pretty much lost all credibility at:

"Grab 'em by the p****"
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 12:34 AM
Mr. Z pretty much lost all credibility at:

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

LMMFAO
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 23, 18 12:48 AM
As I have stated multiple times before, "prove your God exists".


OOPSIE:

EXCLUSIVE: ‘Lone DNC Hacker’ Guccifer 2.0 Slipped Up and Revealed He Was a Russian Intelligence Officer
Robert Mueller’s team has taken over the investigation of Guccifer 2.0, who communicated with (and was defended by) longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone.

SPENCER ACKERMAN
KEVIN POULSEN
03.22.18 7:00 PM ET


“Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators ...more
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 12:54 AM
Dershowitz: Trump 100% Right There Never Should Have Been Special Counsel, No Probable Cause NO EVIDENCE !
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 22, 18 12:18 AM
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Dems want Facebook ( Suckerburg) to censor conservative views for political power. Its brain washing at an inconceivable level..

End of story.
By 27dan (2521), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 22, 18 12:35 PM
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Facebook needs an old fashioned monopoly busting.
Mar 22, 18 12:38 PM appended by They call me
YOUTUBE ANNOUNCES BAN ON ALL GUNS: STARS, VIDEO GAMES AND HOLLYWOOD EXEMPT Elite going after free speech and gun rights simultaneously
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 22, 18 12:38 PM
So what industry has Facebook monopolized, exactly, and how is government supposed to bust it?

Are we aware that the kids aren't even on Facebook anymore?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 22, 18 4:22 PM
'Why Are We Only Now Talking About Facebook And Elections?'

Forbes,
3/19/18

Some key points:

At the time of his election and reelection, Obama’s data analytics researchers were heralded as technology heroes for the way they modernized how political campaigns wrangle data in the pursuit of votes. Outlets sang their praises as “digital masterminds” and lauded their “unorthodox” approaches.

One highly publicized innovation was the ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 22, 18 3:51 PM
I have a question: is there any difference between a campaign putting out an app that says exactly what it's going to do with social media data, and a campaign paying a third-party for procuring that information in violation of their agreements with social media companies?

Don't get me wrong, both the Obama and Trump campaigns played by the rules in play at the time.

The question is how we should treat the breach of Facebook's terms of service by Cambridge Analytica in the manner ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 22, 18 4:05 PM
IMHO...

Facebook is the greatest threat to national security right now. The American public knowingly, with the Obama app., and unwittingly by being "friends" with someone who had the app., opened the door to data mining of unprecedented levels, followed by manipulation during a presidency for political gain. This is not a rebuke of Obama, but the example of what is possible through Social Media, in particular Facebook.

So here we have Obama reaching 190 million Americans in 2012, ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 22, 18 5:25 PM
So it's Facebook itself, because of its position as a steward of our data alongside others like Google and Apple, who should be legislated?

That's an interesting take. What do you think we can do?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 22, 18 6:26 PM
Good question.

I remember getting my SS card and my parents driving it into my brain never to give the number out, memorize it and put the card somewhere safe.

Now, people put their entire lives onto a website for the world to see and they don't give a second thought to who may be watching. All these applications that track your every move, and yet we say we want our right to privacy. Voluntarily giving it away.

Can we let the government place legislation on these companies ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 23, 18 10:55 AM
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has anyone here actually had their opinion on a presidential candidate swayed by a fakebook post? I for one have not, have never been on fakebook and will never be.
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 22, 18 5:36 PM
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I've seen lots of people be fooled by fake news on social media, which is kind of like being convinced of something by social media, right?

Though that begs the question: does the disinformation create bias, or does a person's bias facilitate their consumption of disinformation?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 22, 18 5:50 PM
Latest GOP claim to fame, nominating the former head of the Nazi Party as a congressional candidate in Illinois.

This is starting to play out like a Hollywood comedy. Does anyone else hate Illinois Nazis?
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 1:42 AM
Dirty Money: The CONfidence Man

"Griftopia" indeed...
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 2:17 AM
Bravo! Mc-Master the backstabber is out! It's about time we got this apologist for Islam out of the White House! Let him go do some Mr. Clean commercials or something.

Thank you President Trump!

Bolton, is the man ! Trump is getting rid of the dead weight in the White House and it's full speed ahead towards making America great again!

And Trump putting tariffs on China today is a win for the American people. Thank God we, the people, have a champion in the White House ...more
Mar 23, 18 7:33 AM appended by They call me
"WHY DIDN'T OBAMA have these turnovers?" Because he had a large pool of hardcore Communists to choose from and whose mutual goal was the downfall of the US and Israel! Make America Great Again!!! FINALLY...we can throw out the last prayer rug in the White House.
By They call me (2518), southampton on Mar 23, 18 7:33 AM
It's curious how the same folks lauded as "the best" on their way in are equally derided as never any good on their way out.

Maybe they were never any good to begin with and POTUS is just not great at evaluating talent? Perception is a funny thing.

Anyway, Trump pressuring China to respect American-owned patents is a good thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 23, 18 7:53 AM
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So he's getting rid of the dead weight that he put there. Well that's good. A bit of self-awareness is good for everyone. Any day now, America will be Great Again. Any.....day.......now.
By johnj (917), Westhampton on Mar 23, 18 9:19 AM
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POTUS said America was already great again, which I deduced to mean that America is great when Republicans lead government.

My understanding of U.S. history doesn't really support that, but who cares about facts in 2018?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 23, 18 9:25 AM
@ They call me

"OBAMA had a large pool of hardcore Communists to choose from and whose mutual goal was the downfall of the US and Israel"
--------------------------------------------------------

You fellow true believers won't tell you this for the sake of solidarity, so I'll do them a favor:

Your demented beliefs discredit the opinions of every Right-Winger on the forum. With you being one of them, Readers can't take seriously anything that they say.

But ...more
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 23, 18 8:32 AM
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I have never witnessed such a pile of whining-azz bastard crybi*ches in my life as I have today. Trump is kicking deepstate azz day in and day out. We are on a tight rope with our military. Veto was not an option. A shutdown would have been on purpose.

THEY WANTED HIM TO VETO TO DEFUND OUR MILITARY!! Get a clue, people...

In Trump we Trust.
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 23, 18 9:17 PM
@ joe hampton

Quote

"THEY WANTED HIM TO VETO TO DEFUND OUR MILITARY!! Get a clue, people... "
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Right - - - because they're all, "hardcore Communists ...whose mutual goal was the downfall of the US and Israel", to quote your fellow inpatient.

True believers all behave the same, whether they're North Koreans or Trump supporters.
By highhatsize (3788), East Quogue on Mar 23, 18 10:27 PM
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Ahem:

The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder. Add that to your 20th century "tally".

Get over yourselves, for the benefit of not only the planet, but the Universe.
By Mr. Z (9928), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 11:58 PM
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 11:59 PM
Ahem:

The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder. Add that to your 20th century "tally".

Get over yourselves, for the benefit of not only the planet, but the Universe.
By Mr. Z (9928), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 11:58 PM
By Mr. Z (10700), North Sea on Mar 23, 18 11:59 PM
Ahem....

The crux of the matter is that you continually make imbecilic mind numbing false statements and spend days trying to squirrel your way out of them. You have as much credibility now, here on this blog, as you feel The Don has in the WH.

How about this, I will pose 2 questions to you and you answer it....

WHAT IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN HUMAN HISTORY?

Just Google it....here is the next....

WHAT IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY?

You ...more
Mar 24, 18 12:54 AM appended by Bayman3142
Ahem.....(stated with righteous indignation)...please cite the source for your statment....."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"....be fore warned, I do have sources to prove otherwise, and now make it three imbecilic mind numbing statements......LOLOLOL
By Bayman3142 (192), Southampton on Mar 24, 18 12:54 AM
I have to admit, I have found this particular back and forth really amusing. z has been on the ropes the whole time ( I actually did Google those 2 questions, no doubt, imbecilic statement on z's part.) and certainly has been squirrel like.

I just wanted to go back and fact check the numerous part, so I perused some of z's 9,930 "mind numbing" posts.....WHOA NELLY....


My father came here "off the boat", paid taxes, learned to speak English very well, EARNED his Citizenship, ...more
By Bama-Slama (41), Hampton bays on Mar 24, 18 11:47 AM
Phil was banned, Junebug showed up and now it seems that if "mr Z" is an amalgam of the two. JuneZ! not sure if he/she believes the tripe it spews here or is just looking for a reaction.
By bigfresh (3903), north sea on Mar 24, 18 12:05 PM
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In my defense I was in HB long before I came across you fine folks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 24, 18 2:16 PM
Then your name must be Shirley or Rob
By joe hampton (3229), The Hamptons on Mar 24, 18 6:31 PM
So close, but not it! Though I wouldn't tell you if it was!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4764), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 25, 18 1:26 AM
How about you all stick to comments about the crap in this article? How about we let our government and police try to do their jobs? We all know ms13 is in Hampton Bays and there has been more than just the one incident involving them. This article is nothing more than another way to slam a republican candidate. Period.
By my2goldens (12), Hampton Bays on Oct 20, 18 11:45 AM
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