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Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Ballot Count Begins; Altschuler Travels To Washington

Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PM

Suffolk County Board of Elections officials began counting more than 10,000 absentee ballots on Tuesday, votes that are expected to decide the outcome of the race for the 1st Congressional District of New York.

The counting of the absentee ballots, and an estimated 1,000 affidavit ballots also left to be counted, will likely take several days, which could push the completion of the count into early December because of the Thanksgiving holiday.

With about 850 absentee ballots tallied by the end of the day on Tuesday, incumbent U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, officially trailed his Republican challenger Randy Altschuler of St. James by 356 votes—27 fewer than before the absentee ballot counting began, officials said. The Board of Elections was expected to expand the effort of counting the absentee ballots on Wednesday, adding more tables and counters to help speed up the process.

Of those 850 ballots counted on Tuesday, 146 were challenged by one side or the other, questioning the validity of the ballot, usually on grounds of residency in the district. Democrats challenged 61 ballots, while Republicans questioned 85 ballots, primarily those from Southampton Town, Mr. Bishop’s home district.

Among those Southampton ballots challenged by Republicans were those cast by Howard and Catherine Bishop—Mr. Bishop’s parents. They voted from Florida, where the congressman’s 86-year-old father is housebound by illness, according to officials representing Mr. Bishop.

“I’m sorry the guy is housebound and can’t travel, but if they can’t meet the legal parameters for residency, that’s a problem,” Mr. Altschuler’s press agent, Rob Ryan, said on Wednesday, adding that challenging residencies of absentee voters is a common practice on both sides of a tight race. “We go through the voter rolls and cross-check to see if people are registered elsewhere, which you often find, especially in a resort community. You find people that are registered in two places and sometimes even voted in two places.”

Mr. Bishop’s campaign spokesman, Jon Schneider, said the congressman’s parents are lifelong residents of Southampton, and that the elder Mr. Bishop’s illness should not preclude them from being able to cast votes in their hometown. “It speaks a lot to the extraneous objections we’re seeing out of the Altschuler camp,” he said. “At the end of the day, when they get before a judge, they will be counted.”

The counting of the absentee and affidavit ballots—ballots that were not able to be entered into the voting machines on Election Night for various reasons—began with votes cast by residents of Southampton and Smithtown towns, the two candidates’ home districts, where each expects to pick up the most votes. That decision was made based on the requests filed by the respective campaigns.

By the end of the day on Tuesday, officials had counted votes in some 35 election districts, mostly in Smithtown, but Mr. Ryan said the Altschuler camp was “pleasantly surprised” by the number of votes their candidate received in Mr. Bishop’s hometown.

Mr. Schneider said Mr. Bishop’s supporters were pleased with the results from the first day of counting, noting that most of the ballots counted were from the Town of Smithtown.

“The results are going to speak for themselves—there’s no use in spinning the numbers,” he said. “If we actually count all the ballots, I think that’s going to produce a win for Tim Bishop.”

To that end, attorneys for the incumbent congressman are expected to be back in court this week to make their case for a full hand recount of all 181,000 ballots cast in the 1st Congressional District race on Election Day. That decision was made in the wake of the nearly 4,000-vote swing that was seen between the reported results on Election Day and the electronic scanning of the machine results two days later.

Last week, State Supreme Court Justice Peter H. Mayer told Mr. Bishop’s representatives that they would have to present a more detailed case for why a full recount of the ballots cast is needed before he would order the lengthy and expensive process to proceed. Mr. Altschuler’s attorneys told Judge Mayer that they oppose a recount because it would be too time consuming.

Both camps have said they are preparing for a legal fight over the vote count by raising money, and each claims to have raised about $200,000 to fund legal challenges and monitoring of the audit and ballot counts since November 6.

Even as the balance of the vote is still being weighed, Mr. Altschuler traveled to Washington, D.C., on Sunday night to participate in the week-long orientation for new members of Congress, just in case he is the ultimate victor. Mr. Ryan said it is fairly common for potential new congressmen to attend the orientation even if their election is not certain yet. At least four other candidates from around the country will be participating under the same circumstances as Mr. Altschuler.

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By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (200), Hampton Bays on Nov 5, 10 11:30 PM
Is the BOE working and counting over the weekend???
By Robert I Ross (215), Hampton Bays on Nov 6, 10 4:00 PM
yes, they are working 7 days a week .
By clamdigger (67), Quogue on Nov 13, 10 5:44 PM
Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll phil lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 12:18 AM
I wont be able to sleep this is wild good night cap
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 12:21 AM
How sweet it is! But I was more surprised to hear our boy was behind. News team yessiree is now calling this a win for alschuler. You have heard it here first. Bet on it. Bishop has lost. We have done it. God bless the people of ny district 1
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 12:27 AM
In other words, altschuler has won! Congrats to the entire team. Let the record show- we never doubted this victory! Power to the people!
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 1:15 AM
In other words you don't read well, no winner will be declared until all ballots are counted. Meaning that approximately 10,600 votes are yet to be counted, considering there is only 392 votes separating the candidates there has been no victory yet.

Power to the people of where..... India?
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:04 PM
Hanging chads...
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Nov 6, 10 1:18 AM
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Nice try Goldenrod no chads here
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:01 AM
Told you all I would not be able to sleep ;) GO Randy
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:02 AM
In the same way that many people did not trust the results that showed Tim Bishop was in the lead because they voted against him, I have not trusted that the machines properly recorded my vote. When you can insert your ballot in either direction, and all you get is a message that your vote was accepted but without showing what was recorded, that strikes me as something prone to error and potential fraud.
By DaveB (13), Flanders on Nov 6, 10 6:24 AM
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I worked as the Republican inspector in my district, and can tell you with some authority that the ballots could be placed into the machine in one of four ways, but because of heavy printed markings at the edges, the scanner would electronically align the image of your ballot so that it would count properly, the same way your home computer can invert a photograph, Simple nowadays.
But I welcome a recount of each paper ballot, which is better than some states where there is no paper trail.
By MattS (7), E H on Nov 8, 10 8:16 PM
What happens to the paper ballot after it is scanned? Does each machine hold all of the ballots it scanned?
By deelove (110), Bridgehampton on Nov 9, 10 4:34 PM
yes
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 5:15 PM
Each machine has a Ballot Bag into which the scanned ballots go. At the end of the night the ballot bag is taken out of the machine and a wire seal is applied to it. It is then delivered to the BOE.
By Dr Spock (36), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 10 1:35 PM
November 5, 2010. Keith Olbermann AND Tim Bishop suspended indefinitely without pay! George Soros' millions wasted on the mid terms, Pelosi out and obama off to see sh native's favorite haunt, mumbai. Market is up and iti looks like we will be getting the Bush tax cuts extended for 2 years. Oh and philathome is well on his way to a good case of carpal tunnel. Can life get any better?

By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 6:35 AM
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Not at the moment!
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 8:28 AM
Actually, we'll be paying Tim quite generously for the rest of his life, as well as providing him with the excellent medical coverage he has denied us. Blasted congressional pensions and benefits.
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 9, 10 6:20 AM
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It is disgusting isn't it??? With the economic state that our country is is in I find it ridiculous that there has been no reform on this.
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 11:47 AM
However this turns out, please let it be quick.. and Tim, There is no "i" in voter, something we hope Randy remembers over the next 2 years.. oh and Chris , Nancy and Jim from the SH Town Board should remember that too. You all work for the voters, not your "party" !
By wggorilla (4), Hampton Bays on Nov 6, 10 7:32 AM
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Don't forget Harold from North haven
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 8:29 AM
Altschuler spokesman Rob Ryan said, "Today's turn of events reaffirms what we said on election night - this race is far from over."
I'm Randy Altschler and I approve of this message !
By They call me (2174), southampton on Nov 6, 10 8:41 AM
If (God forbid) Dandy Randy does pull it off you can be assured that we will never see him on the East End again. He will probably move his family to Washington, and keep a requisite address in the 1st Congressional District. He will make the necessary contacts in DC and will become a lobbyist. He does not care about the baymen, the fishermen, the winery owners, the farmers, etc. We are the stepping stones to furthering his career. We saw how well the USA was when Bush defeated Gore. Same script, ...more
By Happy in the Hamptons (9), hampton bays on Nov 6, 10 9:02 AM
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Truer words were never spoken. The idea of electing a mand who created jobs OVERSEAS! How did he help Americans? No he helped himself.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 10, 10 5:18 PM
capitalism prevails over socialism
consercatism prevails over liberalism
a businessman prevails over a leach
GOD BLESS AMERICA
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Nov 6, 10 9:20 AM
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Please explain "consercatism"? Is it a new term for conservative and sarcasm?
According to the dictionary:"Name calling is a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears or arouse positive prejudices with the intent that invoked fear (based on fear-mongering tactics). When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments."
Everyone should stop the name calling, the exaggeration ...more
By Happy in the Hamptons (9), hampton bays on Nov 6, 10 10:09 AM
So you are saying that Liberals do not partake in name calling?
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 11:54 AM
It's 2010 and we still don't have a voting system that can give us accurate ballot counts in a timely fashion. It's kind of ridiculous isn't it?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Nov 6, 10 10:12 AM
Well, we have a system, but the people responsible for reporting the numbers are thugs from the public unions -- they are bought and paid for.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:42 AM
That's silly. They are mostly older ladies and gentlemen looking to earn a few extra dollars each election day. The ones at my polling location are decent local people who are definitely not in any union and not on any party's committee and would be amused or perhaps even flattered to be called thugs.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Nov 9, 10 12:37 AM
Oh great, another candidate in favor of tax cuts for the rich. Because trickle down economics worked so well. Anyone remember the dead economy handed over from Bush Sr. to Clinton... from Bush Jr. to Obama? The Democrats know how to revive the economy... it just takes longer when you're handed a disaster like Obama was.
By eagleeye (39), Sag Harbor on Nov 6, 10 10:13 AM
Silly person, neither Bush practiced trickle down economics. 41 raised taxes as the dem congress wanted, and they spent even more. Bush 43 gave a modest pro growth tax cut to our most productive and overtaxed income bracket, while he and congress went on a wild spending spree culminating in the Bush/Reid/Pelosi bailouts/stimulus/nationalizations followed by same x5 from Obama/Reid/Pelosi. Almost simultaneously a 50 year old left wing government scheme to give mortgages to people who cant make the ...more
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 9, 10 6:37 AM
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it wasn't like Obama got into office and THEN found out the economy was a mess. He knew what he was getting himself into, Band-aids have been put in many place for far longer than either of the Bush presidency terms.
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 11:58 AM
Oh happy day! But even more importantly, how can this keep happening? The new conservative movement ought to make this one of its issues. Real election reform. From honest registration to requiring ID from voters to voting machines that are simple to use and swift and sure to count.

Why couldn't we have the old lever machines with electronic connections to transmit numbers immediately?
By Liman (20), Montauk on Nov 6, 10 11:12 AM
And the soon to be in charge Chain-Smoking Tanned Man from Ohio already wants to cut unemployment benefits to out of work workers. Now that's getting people back to work. Oh yeah that's right Dandy Randy will help with cutting unemployment, it will just be in India, Sri Lanka and Indonesia. Oh those benefit cuts that the Tanned Man from Ohio wants to implement. They will take effect on December 1ST. Happy Holidays from the next Speaker of the House.
By sayitaintsojoe (100), Westhampton on Nov 6, 10 11:31 AM
Hahahaha on NOW the voting system is flawed. That's rich. And, consercatism is a new phrase. It refers to a quick typing, elated conservative! Sore loser.
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By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 11:44 AM
TYPO- should read conservatism prevails over socialism

there's no name calling here, just posting the facts

IF this story turns out to be true it's just another brick in the wall for liberalism and the Demokrat Party
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Nov 6, 10 12:36 PM
You referred to the other candidate as a leach(leech).In the "real world" that is name calling. In the "conservative world" a compliment?
By Happy in the Hamptons (9), hampton bays on Nov 6, 10 12:55 PM
Thank god there is a paper trail. We can be sure that, whoever wins, it will be legitimate because there are paper ballots (not electronic machine counts) to tally.

Reminds me of the joke that in the last Mexican Presidential election, the only state using Diebold electronic voting machines was the only one that returned a majority for Bush.
Nov 6, 10 12:44 PM appended by highhatsize
Here's a useful link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/maggiehaberman/1110/Sources_Bishop_now_up_in_NY1_count_.html?showall
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 6, 10 12:44 PM
Let me just repeat the recent wise comments of my friends on the other side and remind everyone that it's not over yet. There's a process of comparing the paper ballots with the scanners, and then they count absentee ballots. The whole thing will take at least a week, apart from any court proceedings that either side may initiate. We shall see, but it's certainly true that one never knows, do one?
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Nov 6, 10 2:29 PM
Happy to oblige. First, as I'm sure you know, the earlier remedial math was without taking into account the possibility of an extraordinary 4,000-vote error. (I imagine we agree that a 4,000-vote error is extraordinary, or should be.) It really wasn't very careless of me to disregard the possibility of an error of that magnitude, but let's go forward. Let's say this 400-vote Altschuler lead holds up. I don't think it will, but let's say it does, and Randy goes into the count of the absentee ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Nov 6, 10 3:59 PM
In the same way that the race was too close to call before the latest numbers(due to absentee ballots), this is an even closer race at this point, so why jump to conclusions about which way the absentee ballots will go?

I will say that having someone from Manhattan who has only lived in the district for four years really doesn't sound like someone who knows and really represents the people of the east end of Long Island. As a result, many people may look at THAT as their reason for ...more
By DaveB (13), Flanders on Nov 6, 10 6:14 PM
"This abrupt shift raises considerable questions about the new voting system in Suffolk County. At the end of the day, it is vital that Suffolk County residents have confidence in the final results, which is why there needs to be a hand count of all paper ballots. This is exactly the reason that Suffolk County has a system with paper backup. Such a review will produce a result that everyone can have confidence in. We also believe that at the end of this process that Tim Bishop will continue to represent ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 3:08 PM
If we NEED paper backups and manual counting is needed as often as it is across this country, then the system is clearly flawed.
By DaveB (13), Flanders on Nov 6, 10 3:19 PM
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It is my understanding that the breakdown was at the SC Board of Elections in Yaphank. Polling places couldn't reach them to turn in their results. As a result, the job of reporting was passed around as people got tired, frustrated and finally gave up and went home.
I AGREE, THE PROBLEM MUST BE FIXED!
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 10 9:06 AM
This can happen when one drinks the Pelosi Kool Aid !!
By drteedancer (10), East Hampton on Nov 6, 10 3:10 PM
The Republican Iced Tea seems to be more intoxicating stuff.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 10 9:18 AM
Can you imagine the way captnteaparty, joe the plumber hampton, and the rest of their wingnut cohorts would react if Altschuler had won by nearly 4,000 votes and then they came back and said he was down by nearly 400? Exactly.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 4:57 PM
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Except it seems the problem was with the reporting from the poll centers that were no doubt manned by libs
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:28 PM
I'm not sure if Randy will come out on top but it would defintely be the cherry on top. I wouldn't worry to bad about Timmy if he loses. After years of raping the taxpayers he can continue the tradition by collecting his lifetime pension from the very people he screwed.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 6, 10 5:38 PM
I don't know what she is talking about Real Razza I like you and I don't think your angry or mean spirited at all
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:30 PM
Thanks Joe. Trust me when I say it really doesn't bother me.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 6, 10 10:26 PM
You are a nasty, nasty person. You never have a nice thing to say about anyone or anything. I will keep you in my prayers. So sorry for you. Anger like this is very unhealthy.
By Happy in the Hamptons (9), hampton bays on Nov 6, 10 6:16 PM
Phil you asked a series of questions in a 11 minute time span and then said is this thing on. I know this must not be easy for you but the facts will bare out the truth in the end.Whatever way it goes that was the will of the people
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:33 PM
Phil the time for campaign spin has passed all we can do now is wait and see if the country's referendum on obama included even the Hampton's left wing elite and the hippi progressive Sag harbor extremists
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 6:44 PM
anyone notice the large amount of people waiting for the Jitney Tues AM? saw many running across Montauk Hwy in Bridgehampton to catch the bus to NYC to vote again. Also many in water mill and southampton was packed. time someone did a check on double voting
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 6, 10 7:24 PM
I hope that the procedure observed during the election will identify the machine total that was misquoted over the telephone on election night and the individual responsible for this astonishing misstatement.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 6, 10 7:38 PM
Now Bishop's people want evry one of those poster size ballots recounted? 160,000? are you kidding? You will never get a correct count. The machines worked, the problem was the tape produced was hard to read, so some of the election district workers misread the tapes -- that were correct. Some of the polls people may have forgotton their reading glasses. Again the machine totoals were correct, the tiny cash register size tape that they printed were hard to read on election night. The machines ...more
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Nov 6, 10 8:14 PM
Congressman Bishop has been a valued member of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. This affects our waterways, and for many of us on the East End our way of life. Any one from our neck of the woods should be ashamed not to have voted for a local. He may not have voted the way we liked on national issues but he certainly had our local best interests in mind when he went to Washington. I would hope that who ever ends up being the winner, they keep us local yokels in mind, at all times. ...more
By Nordseacap (5), southampton on Nov 6, 10 9:06 PM
I think Bishop is a good guy with good intentions. His vote to place a huge tax on the sale of what in our neighborhood is an average priced home will have a definate negative affect on our local economy. Re his vote on health care reform, this was a very controversial bill that was passed using questionable tactics, back room deal making, etc. Bishop was well aware of that but gave his full support regardless. I'm not saying I'm against it, I don't know enough about it to take a side, but the ...more
By Academics (14), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 11:57 PM
OK, you got me there. It will still affect some, but maybe not as many as I thought.
Still, the big issue is that the health care bill was forced upon us without substantial support, with backroom deals and questionable tactics. Many dems didn't like it either and independents obviously weren't happy. There are many good parts of the health care bill, but the dems took advantage of their majority and rubber stamped Pres Obama's agenda (that many feel lean toward socialism) without substantial ...more
By Academics (14), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 9:15 AM
Thank you. There is a very myopic attitude on both sides here, alot of people who take this all so seriously it hampers what could be good, fun debate. There are two sides to everything, and more often than not, the correct answer is found is somewhere in between.
By Academics (14), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 8:04 PM
QUOTE:

[mrmako61]:

"Now Bishop's people want evry one of those poster size ballots recounted? 160,000? are you kidding? You will never get a correct count."
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Are YOU kidding? There is a 3800 vote error in the machine count on election night that gives the challenger a 400 vote plurality to the apparently victorious incumbent and you state that we all should accept the NEW ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 6, 10 9:54 PM
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Wow phil has realy lost it this time. lol
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 10:20 PM
Oh boy this is like the 2000 chad think all over again . Now they will walk around for the next few years telling us how randy is not legitimate
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 10:23 PM
"Nice try Goldenrod no chads here"

Someone is inconsistent. I think goldenrod was using it metaphorically.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:14 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 10:34 PM
Anyway we are not in the mood for you and Mr. Hat tonight we are celebrating.
At least Z has been a gentleman in the light of these developments more than I can say for you Phil.
Your all WEE WEEd up just like your avatar
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 6, 10 10:35 PM
No, they will ask to see his birth certificate.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Nov 6, 10 10:35 PM
Whatever side you're on, that isn't nice. The above comment should be deleted. A username was created bysomeone almost identical to philathome with the same picture.
By Academics (14), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 11:27 PM
That was the tipoff for me! One post, really?
When they delete that one they should delete Ms. Marples also.
By Academics (14), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 12:14 AM
1) Everyone be quiet, calm down. This isn't over, not by a long sight.

2) It's quite possible that there is NOTHING wrong with the tallying process; it's just a damn close race, and they're trying to get the count 100% correct.

3) It's really weird that while everyone seems to know exactly where Bishop stands on various issues, no one can, or wants to indicate they know where Altschuler falls on the important stuff. Come on.

4) It's not over. Now please be quiet, and ...more
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 6, 10 11:52 PM
To know where Randy stands is easy if you followed his campaign. You can also look at his web site to see his positions on important issues. However he has no prior track record because he is not a career politican. One can only hope that unlike Timmy he willvote for district 1's best interest and if he doesn't we can work to throw his butt out to. I think he will do well. It will be hard to do worse than timmy
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 7, 10 9:30 AM
Policy issues?? Like what unemplyment, health care, national debt, immigration?? I'm not saying Randy will win but I think the rest of the nations vote was a referendum on policy issues.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 7, 10 10:35 AM
Who ever wins MUST remember that they are working for US the people NOT the parties ...

REMEMBER THAT :)
By Bel (86), southampton on Nov 7, 10 12:31 AM
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I must say...These comments are better than any news I watch or article I read! I won't say who I prefer, but I think we all must agree that it is "THE PEOPLE" , not "THE PARTY" that these men must look to.
By Gr8ful (2), Rocky Point on Nov 7, 10 3:54 AM
How can u tell when u are wrong? Phyllis agrees with you. We know where randy stans...in bishops old office! Hahahaha. I hear the fat lady finally singing. And it sounds beautiful. But I'm available all day to screw with phyllis and make her nuts.
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:50 AM
Permit me to include something that Altschuler's supporters seem to have a hard time communicating, maybe even grasping. This is high-concept stuff, so try to follow along the best you can. Wait for it... it's called... a web link. Look up "copy and paste".

http://www.randyaltschuler.com/the-issues.html
By Undertow (64), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 8:20 AM
I work in an industry that brings me into contact with many extremely intelligent people who have mastered a broad range of complex fields.

None of them ever seem to have a need to constantly assert how smart and well informed they are.

Those who bleat on about how intellectually superior they are, aren't.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:09 AM
Don't even lower yourself Captain. He acts out like a spoiled child who did not get his way.
By They call me (2174), southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:23 AM
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What ideas? Bring up a single subject you'd be willing to debate without resorting to personal insult, and I'll be happy to debate you.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:28 AM
Its is obvious that Phil has lost his mind over this. What I find interesting is when somebody gave him some razzing last night by posting a similar avatar to his and mocked his crying the press removed those comments promptly.Why? Their was no cursing or threats made.So why is it ok for the fake Razza to be mocked day after day but not Phil.Left wing media bias at work in our own backyard.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 7, 10 10:03 AM
Whoever moderates for the Press seems to think it's ok for them to bring their personal bias to the task.

I've documented a number of glaringly obvious examples of this and will be submitting it to the publisher.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:12 AM
So if my opinion is that this paper is a 'rag', that warrants censorship in your mind?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:27 AM
Also when Phil called me Joehampster or cursed my friends out in the past 48 hours that was ok. It seems militant comments and tactics are ok in here as long as it is aimed at the conservative viewpoint. I guess we have to feel sorry for Phil since the progressives in our company feel this is so unfair about the Bishop reality.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 7, 10 10:11 AM
It's likely the editorial staff is simply unaware of what's going on with the moderation of these forums.

The job is usually given to an intern or low perfoming flunkie, since productive staff is too valuable to waste on such a trivial job.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:19 AM
I love that joe the plumber hampton has to refute every single comment by philathome. Yes, it is an acknowledgement of joe's insecurity and phil's impact
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:21 AM
From Truthout.org, best description yet of dick armey's army

"The "Tea Party" is nothing more or less than the GOP base with a new coat of paint, claims by the "mainstream" media of this being a "movement" notwithstanding. The "Tea Party" is comprised of the exact same people who were perfectly happy to have a fundamentalist war freak in the White House during the Bush administration, and never mind the fact that Bush grew the government exponentially while preaching to the choir about ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:19 AM
Peoplefirst:

What do you think motivates George Soros to being the major individual financial backer of left wing groups?

I'm honestly interested in what someone from the far left makes of this billionalire's heavy financial backing of groups like mediamatters and moveon.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:25 AM
being=be
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:25 AM
I wasn't directing that comment to you phil.

However, what specifically would you like to debate? If you can keep it free of personal insult, then I would be happy to do the same.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 7, 10 10:33 AM
OK, now I understand.

Billionaire speculator and destroyer of currencies George Soros just wants to balance the media. How enlightened.

"with intelligence,facts and courage" indeed.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 8, 10 2:28 PM
"media onslaught from the right" one network of 8 and 3 magazines of dozens.
The poor little Left needs a big bad Billionaire puppet master to get their big government, high tax, rampantly corrupt, corporate whoring (and alternately crushing), reckless lending, low growth, anti-capitalist, pro-statist, tax serfdon and dependancy creating ideas out there.
The current conservative or Tea party movement is as anti-Bush/RINO as it is the current administration. It's about returning government ...more
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 6:42 AM
PS David Brock was outed as gay by the NY Times for being conservative. He subsequently gained favor with the some of the libertine left when he repudiated his previous journalistic efforts that had showed what a power abusing, sexual harasser, philanderer and all around degenerate Bill Clinton is.
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 6:45 AM
Soros is just the worst sort of crony capitalist, using his wealth to buy office holders, and subvert democracy (Franken) for personal financial gain and all around megalomania. A sort of Bond villain if you will, representing everything the left claims to be against but they love it when he funds election theft and organizations dedicated to slandering free market/limited gov ideas and the people who prefer them.
BTW who let that parasite in the Meadow Club?
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 7:00 AM
At the risk of stating the obvious, it's been some time since any poster addressed the topic of this thread. Since NOTHING has changed in the last 48 hours, that's not surprising.

I assume that there will be a paper ballot recount which I would support regardless of which side I were on. When the paper ballot recount is over and any possible legal challenges have been dealt with, we will have a winner. Until then, attacking each other is puerile and deprives any substantive comments ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 7, 10 10:39 AM
Now the Democratic Machine will really get to work and steal this from the rightful winner. Tim Bishop is a disaster for the Suffolk County economy. I am astounded that the race could be close enough for him to be able to steal it like we all know he will.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:40 AM
That would be because I have been to this rodeo before. Public union employees, who have a self interest in how the vote turns out, are responsible for honestly totaling the results. None of these government employees want to stop the gravy train that has allowed them to currently receive wages and benefits 40% greater than the average private sector employee in this country.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 11:28 AM
where exactly is randy from? I never heard of him; is he some kind of republican alien who just got beamed down here? You may not like Bishop, but at least he's from around here. And don't blame him because he is a party guy following the lead of the economic morons forced on Obama because of his campaign debts.
By realdeal (23), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 10:54 AM
Don't kid yourself. Tim Bishop is not from here; he is from Nancy Pelosi's boudoir. He is a Pelosi rubber stamp. You know what astounds me? Every week, we see East End businesses closing down and people not realizing that Bishop's votes directly contributed to the condition of our local economy. This man doesn't even deserve to represent his side of the block in Southampton Village.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 11:31 AM
Tee hee

Good one Captain America...ole philathome has just been powned!
By Hambone (482), New York on Nov 11, 10 4:25 PM
Well said. Stay with bishop even though he dies vote in the best interest of district 1 because he a local Southampton guy.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 7, 10 11:04 AM
Was voting for ObamaCare in the best interest of District 1? Was voting for that Democratic slush fund, aka, the "stimulus" in our best interest? (Okay, this one is debatable, since Bishop did reel in $1.5 MM to study the impact on our estuaries from global warming -- I am not making this up.) Was voting to increase taxes every possible time good for our local economy? Ask Saks former employees. Ask the former employees of all the shuttered businesses on Main and Jobs Lane.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 11:34 AM
I was kidding. I agree with you. People voting for Timmy because he is local is just plain ridiculous
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 7, 10 2:48 PM
what was so great about that dynamic duo of bush and cheney? what did they do for main street, america?
nothing
just like your new republican reps, representing the private sector, for "our" benefit
I know you can't get jobs around here if you are not a republican, but do you really believe this crap you are writing to justify your tenuous position?
By realdeal (23), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 12:00 PM
Nope, you covered that pretty well.

All I can think of that you left out was the derivatives market being left to operate wholly unchecked, and the bitching about "hedging risk" when they knew all they had to do was rob the Treasury to remain millionaires at the OUR expense when the economy imploded. And, mercifully raping hardworking towns, and counties with the 'Credit Default Swap', and it's backwater, fineprint contracts.

Other than that, they are not the least bit lower than ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 2:58 PM
Don't forget Obama expanding the scope of the warrantless wiretapping and continuing the Patriot Act. Not defending Bush and Cheney just illustrating how the left and the right are in bed together. All of the hemming and hawing back and fort of lib and rep is by design so you will blame the other party when your a$$ is sore.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:29 PM
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Cap, you're forgetting one serious pre-requisite.

The boom in prices that occured was a direct result of the trillions in fake, worhtless paper that Wall St. pumped the economy with.

It was a Republican controlled Congress, that passed the sweeping deregulation which was the root of the whole mess. Were the dems to blame for the Band-Aid? Yes. But, the Republicans severed the artery...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 5:32 PM
Sweeping deregulation?
How about decades old policy of giving mortgages to people with no means to service them and having the gov insure it?
Both were both parties being "progressive"
The GOP is now on notice and has new blood. Remains to be seen if the perform, or become beltway whores like the rest.
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 6:51 AM
ABB=ANYBODY BUT BISHOP
By fdny7318 (60), Water Mill on Nov 7, 10 12:45 PM
OMG.....we're in what century???? "we can put a man on the moon, but we still can't get election voting closer than just filling the dots" Next we'll all be marching into the polls casting our votes by stomping out a one or a two as horses do with their feet. God help us all, I can't take it anymore, no wonder people don't want to vote, do you blame them???
By The Crow's Nest (56), Red Creek on Nov 7, 10 1:21 PM
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Thank the stars I missed most of this...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 2:54 PM
Progressives, we only need wait two more years for the American people to snap out of their current hypnotic state. Here's how it will happen:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Resurgent Republicans rallied Sunday behind an agenda based on unwavering opposition to the Obama White House and federal spending, laying the groundwork for gridlock until their 2012 goal: a new president, a "better Senate" and ridding the country of that demonized health care law.
Republicans said they were willing ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 3:33 PM
From what I read from both of you you do consider yourselves to be intelligent, this is not to say you're not, but to just put yourself only on one side of the isle regardless of the individual candidate seems less than insightful. This is not solely directed at those whose chose the left side of the isle, I see as flawed if one is on either side of the isle considering both parties serve their own interests and by that I don't mean the polarizing issues which cause the general populace to pick ...more
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:24 PM
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Talk about some SERIOUS jewels.

The Republican Party rallies against defecit spending!!!

That's got to be the FUNNIEST S**T I have read ALL YEAR!

Talk about the "pot, and the [expletive deleted] kettle"!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 5:49 PM
All our liberal bloggers, have your heads exploded yet? We (the republicans) won over 60 seats in congress. The people have spoken, congrats to the american people who stoop and voted out the these bums.
How does Michele Obama feel now? Is she still proud of our country? If not, to bad.
Nov 7, 10 4:05 PM appended by reg rep
Sorry: I meant to say Stood up and voted out these bums.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:05 PM
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LOL, yeah the American people stooped all right, especially the ones who voted for Randy Dandy the Outsourcing Pansy.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 7, 10 4:15 PM
There were a bunch of people who backed Hitler, too, right?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 5:38 PM
All I will say it this:

If, after the next two years, the economy improves, my wages increase, and I actually have the ability to have something left over to save after working easily 60 hours a week, between at least two jobs, then I'll say we elected the right idiots.

Until then, all I see is a fight over who is more popular, and who sucks worse.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 7, 10 5:44 PM
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What matters most is how well the economy does over the next couple of years. We know what Bishop is like through his record of voting and his record of bringing back money to the community. Count the votes over, and let the chips fall where they may. Bishop's record is what it is, like it or not. It personally has not impressed me. As for Altschuler, who knows what he is truly like? You can't go by what he says in interviews or what his website says, since it is all political BS anyway. ...more
By Born Here (26), HB on Nov 7, 10 6:30 PM
There's just might be a republican God! Tho it doesn't make much difference...it will take years for the dems to take back Congress....the spending spree is over!
By BeachGal (72), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 10 9:32 PM
Yes it is over and not a moment to soon. and now this! What a great time I am having this last week, its just wonderful.
By They call me (2174), southampton on Nov 7, 10 11:05 PM
Tim bishops office is looking for boxes and packing tape. Can someone drop that off at the brookhave seiu offices? Wonder if nancy pelosi is going to send flowers? Lots of tears at bishop headquarters yesterday. Volunteers downtrodden and union thugs not sensitive enough to know how to console. Quite a scene. For them, I love it however.
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 5:27 AM
As someone who was working at the polls I can tell you that the BOE employees completely lost it Election night. It wasn't the new machines that are the problem, it is the BOE in Yaphank.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 7:37 AM
The polls close at 9, usually we can call in results by 9:30. This time we couldn't get anyone on the phone in Yaphank. When we called other extensions there, they refused to take the results. By 10:30 we were kicked out of our polling place and standing outside freezing where we drop off the suitcases. We said we were giving up on calling in the results and that they would just have to read our results when they got back to Yaphank. The Sheriff said we would not let me leave and would arrest me ...more
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 7:55 AM
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The "teaparty" candidates fooled a helluva lot of people out there. Now that they will actually have to deliver, they have no clue how, nor do they seem to care

" Signaling how difficult it will be for the Republican Party to live up to its campaign promises of cutting spending while preserving the Bush tax cuts and not cutting benefits for seniors, Tea Party favorites Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and Sen.-elect Rand Paul (R-Ky.) struggled on Sunday to actually name any specific cuts they ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 8:39 AM
I am not a member of the tea party but I personally would like to see them succeed. The two party system in this country is very divisive and ineffective. I believe the key for them is to rebrand themselves and distance themselves from the republican party (obviously the repubs dont want that). Most tea partiers I know are good people who are just fed up with big Gvt and mounting debt. I'm not sure why peoplefirst doesnt like Paul's answer. He favors a BALANCED budget. He said nothing would be off ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:01 AM
Its easy peoplefirst no more union favors and corruption, cut government employees by a third, cut wasteful programs. We will get there and it will all be transparent this time, or out they go.republican or Democrat. We the people run this show now
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:12 AM
Yessiree you made my day....Union scum I love It. A thousand smiles to you all
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 8:53 AM
More evidence of the republicans inevitable failures and their astounding inability to interpret exit data which shows that the American public is NOT concerned with their phony deficit reduction ideas, but JOBS! From the NY Times:

"Republicans who have taken over state capitols across the country are promising to respond to crippling budget deficits with an array of cuts, among them proposals to reduce public workers’ benefits in Wisconsin, scale back social services in Maine and ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 9:11 AM
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if you are a working class American making below $250 grand a year, the teaparty/republicans do not care about you:

"Tea Partiers rage against taxes and say they’re too high. Wrong, says billionaire Warren Buffett: on the rich, they’re too low.

The tax code holds the answer to this standoff, and the code backs Buffett. Taxes may be the bane of the Tea Party, but they’re a relative boon for the wealthy. Let’s look at some of the ways America’s tax system ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 9:14 AM
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I make less than 250 A year
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 5:07 PM
Yeah, and you don't own stock, according to you...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 8:00 PM
Two purposeless, deficit busting wars fought off the books not good enough for you? Don't worry, Lindsay Graham and his fellow republicans want to give you another, from AP:

"Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), speaking at the Halifax International Security Forum on Saturday, talked tough about how to handle Iran as it moves ever closer to obtaining nuclear weapons. Graham said he would advise the president to “neuter that regime” and he offered specific courses of ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 9:16 AM
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Do you still think the republicans care about helping the middle class or clearing out the lobbyists like they promised their evil twin "the teaparty?"

"So, how's that new Tea Party Congress working out for Tea Party supporters who expected that the lobbyists were going to be cleared out, the "too-big-to-fail" Wall Street banks brought under control and laws enforced?

The election was Tuesday, and on Thursday the expected new Chair of the House financial services committee warned ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 9:19 AM
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You had a fitful night, didn't you, P1st?
By Frank Wheeler (1735), Northampton on Nov 8, 10 10:35 AM
You know who was the most responsible for pulling the legislative teeth out of the Wall St. Reform Act's bite?

NY's own Chuck Schumer. The original bill was a scathing regulatory backlash against the abuses which allowed Goldman-Sachs to walk into the Treasury, bail themselves out, skim 30 million for themselves in the process, and NOT EVER be prosecuted for ANY wrongdoing, according to the agreement.

The people have had the wool pulled over their eyes AGAIN, and until "We" all ...more
Nov 8, 10 2:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
The form of the Bill that passed, was a toothless, powerless hag, that couldn't regulate acetylene...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 2:51 PM
The teaparty/republican's promise to "repeal Obamacare" - Not gonna happen. This is just being reported

"WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court has turned down the first preliminary challenge to President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

Of more significance is the sign that all the justices took part in rejecting the appeal."
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 11:02 AM
The auto bailout was a "government take over of the auto industry"? No. It was a massive success.

"The lead story in the Election Day Wall Street Journal was about the impending sale of General Motors stock to private investors. The subhead read: "IPO Would Raise $10 billion, Cut U.S. Stake Below 50 percent; Value May Top Ford's."
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 11:07 AM
wee wee wee all the way home
at last dimmy bishlop has DONE something!
By uncleronk (136), southold on Nov 8, 10 11:35 AM
From the LA times:

Reporting from Washington — Faced with rising political attacks, hundreds of climate scientists are joining a broad campaign to push back against congressional conservatives who have threatened prominent researchers with investigations and vowed to kill regulations to rein in man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

The still-evolving efforts reveal a shift among climate scientists, many of whom have traditionally stayed out of politics and avoided the news media. ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 12:08 PM
Below is an example of a reasonable republican. Watch how quickly his party eats him alive

WASHINGTON -- Indiana's Senator-elect Dan Coats is endorsing filibuster reform, becoming one of the few Republicans to back a legislative proposal to change the way the Senate works.

"I think, at the very least, we need to remove the 60-vote rule for bringing a bill to the floor and actually debating it and voting on it," he said in an interview on Sunday on Fox News. "The American people ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 12:57 PM
Notice all the cutting and pasting Phil and peoplefirst do to try and bolster their positions? Seeking out OPINION pieces that align with your preexisting views is hardly evidence of critical thinking.

By the way, I strongly suggest you start crediting the copyrighted work you are "borrowing" or you and the Press could find yourselves slapped with a DMCA violation.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 8, 10 2:35 PM
Notice all the juvenile pandering you are ALL guilty of?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 2:57 PM
I onder ig they have found any pregnant chads yet? hahaha Olberman shouldnt care that he got fired as no one watched his show anyway. Msnbc has awful ratings.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Nov 8, 10 4:02 PM
it is crap like this that really confirms in my mind that these politicians have alterior motives beyond serving the people
By deKooning (84), southampton on Nov 8, 10 4:32 PM
You vote out one crook in hopes of getting an honest person who wants to serve the people....two years down the road with all the backroom deals, etc. another crook has been created. So maybe the trick is not to keep them in office longer than their first term...certainly would cut down on the retirement benefits we are paying them.
By BeachGal (72), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 10 4:57 PM
Newsday
Democratic and Republican officials each say that poll workers read the wrong vote totals over the phone to the Suffolk Board of Elections on election night. Suffolk Democratic Chairman Richard Schaffer said there were reporting errors in 38 percent of the 1st Congressional District's 460 election districts. It is not clear why there were rampant problems reporting vote totals to board headquarters.


By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 5:15 PM
Its not clear ??? I think It is perfectly clear the unions were both shocked and pissed.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 5:16 PM
<-------------- To poll workers and union officials

" What gives you told me the fix was in "
By They call me (2174), southampton on Nov 8, 10 5:40 PM
Lol Jabrones. That would be a great book. Progressives in the mist
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 6:07 PM
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Philth at home....Don't look now but I think your standing in a puddle
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 6:17 PM
Thats funny Joe. I think he has been standing in that puddle for 2 months now
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 6:19 PM
New headline and article update at 5:10 today.

Amazing that in November of Earth Year 002,010 that "human error" is still part of the election process IMO!

Wait until they start counting all the paper ballots by hand.

Remember the "hanging chad" etc. issues from the Florida elections in 2000? We haven't seen anything yet.

For each ballot to be reviewed/counted by hand:

-- was the oval filled in correctly?
-- did the machine tabulate the correct vote ...more
By PBR (4819), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 6:44 PM
Here's a great story about how your Republican buddies run the "free market".

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/looting_main_street_matt_taibbi_on
Nov 8, 10 6:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
On a sewer project that was originally supposed to cost $250 million, the county now owed a total of $1.28 billion just in interest and fees on the debt.”
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 6:52 PM
The Louchheim's pulled a "Dewey Defeats Truman" on this one with their now infamous headline "Bishop wins in a photo finish". Laughable. Wishful thinking based on their liberal bias, I'll bet. Unprofessional too.
By Zorro (66), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 6:53 PM
The republican party eats mama grizzly, their most likely 2012 presidential nominee

"Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.), recently tapped to become chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, believes that despite the GOP's monumental electoral gains last week, the party left some vital Senate seats on the playing field thanks primarily to the work of Sarah Palin.

This from the Shelby County Reporter over the weekend:

"The Senate would be Republican today except for states ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 8, 10 7:26 PM
I would be shocked if Palin were the 2012 republican nominee. You should hope you would be so lucky. She is one of the few people Obama could beat at this juncture
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 8, 10 7:56 PM
Dateline: October 15, 2009

As Foreclosures Hit All-Time High, Wall Street on Pace to Hand Out Record $140B in Employee Bonuses
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 7:35 PM
Hopefully we can get them to start spending some of the tarp and bailout monies out here
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 8, 10 8:00 PM
Hopefully, we can get the speculators to stop jacking up the prices of commodities, without any real relative change in supply, or demand.

That might help more...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 8:20 PM
Here's a bit more of a tease:

"Greenspan's rise to the top, is one of the great scams of our time. His (Greenspan's) career, is the perfect prism through which one can see the two-fold, basic deception of American politics. A system that preaches "sink or swim" lassiez-faire capitalism to most, but acts as a highly interventionist, bureaucratic welfare state for a select few. Greenspan pompously preached ruthless free market orthodoxy, every chance he got, while simultaneously using ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 9:00 PM
Why do you care what private company's do,You should only care that when they fail we do not bail them out !
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:01 PM
How many times has there been a bailout, in the last fifteen years, joe?
Nov 8, 10 9:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
I'll give you a hint: At least EIGHT that we know of...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 9:14 PM
One time Is to many
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:23 PM
OH, and by the way, as an Independent, what in the H-E double hockey sticks do you think my philosophy is?

Vote for the "best" candidate, regardless of party, or affiliation.

These days, that would be the least offensive bowl of excrement.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 9:25 PM
Well, I do give you much more credit for being a free thinker than Philth at home Krugman who is just a cog in the Move on machine.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:34 PM
Thank you.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 10:15 PM
Oh, and to reiterate, at least eight times, in the last fifteen years that we know of.

Too much of that damn near 40% the 1% hold, was handed to them for failure.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 10:40 PM
Tim will win.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Nov 8, 10 7:35 PM
The latest is Bishop's camp is calling people as we speak who voted absentee and asking them who they voted for. They say they want to get a feel for how the absentees will go, but the reality is anyone who says they voted for Altschulerwill have their absentee ballot challenged for no other reason than that they voted for Altschuler. That is unethical and an abuse of the challenge process. Where does Bishop get off calling people and asking them who they voted for before their absentee ballots ...more
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Nov 8, 10 8:37 PM
Here we go, Florida 2.0...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 8, 10 8:42 PM
Hopefully Tim's lost will shut Turkey Bridge up. Enough already. This from someone who voted for Tim last week.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 8, 10 9:15 PM
<- Try this book phill at least Z had the courage to read something not on the Daily Kos prescribed reading list
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:29 PM
Jabrones, I got work to do I dont have time for this s* tonight, Good luck with Philth you will need it
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:39 PM
.696 Comments by philathome
The press said - - - >PRESIDENT SIGNS HISTORIC HEALTH CARE LEGISLATION INTO LAW WITH BISHOPS SUPPORT
Philth said - - ->Though this legislation falls short of meeting all the healthcare needs,it is a first step toward total coverage.The healthcare debate has been going on for 100 years,and its always the conservatives who have opposed it.
Thank you,Congressman for voting for this bill,
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:49 PM
The tea party said - - -> Don't let the door hit you in the ass
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 8, 10 9:50 PM
LOL tahts right baby Gran is gonna whack um
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 8, 10 10:01 PM
You do that philth. You and your friend Jay Z
Pathettic
Nov 9, 10 12:02 AM appended by joe hampton
Sorry for the fat finger (Pathetic)
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 12:02 AM
The fake razza is annoying, and hat head is about as exciting as watching paint dry. People first is painful to listen to, but you.... You are just freaking Pathetic
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 12:08 AM
Above all things, good policy is to be used that the treasure and moneys in a state be not gathered into few hands. For otherwise a state may have a great stock, and yet starve. And money is like muck, not good except it be spread.


— Sir Francis Bacon

'Of Seditions and Troubles' (1625)
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 12:10 AM
That wasn't a "cut and paste", you moron.

It's from a collection of Sir Francis Bacon's euphemisms.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 3:04 PM
I got a call earlier today asking to speak to a family member who wasn't home. The caller only identified himself by first name, not party, and wouldn't give a reason for the call or leave a message. Just said he would call back. Later I realized it was someone wanting to find out who the member had voted for - by absentee ballot. We also got a call two days ago from what sounded like a phone bank or polling group wanting to know who we had voted for. I wouldn't tell them.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Nov 9, 10 12:26 AM
Juniur jihadi is back but with a whole different tune! Phyllis has a boyfriend! Its the unuion touting, angriest guy here. Dude tried to ask someone to meet him for a fight! Hahahaha. Suckas. You know, everything you boys believe in is absolutely correct. You have the knowledge and the wisdom we all wish we had.

But, you know what? BISHOP LOST!

That makes you two losers as well.

But I am looking forward to jay z' joint when it drops. Pfffffpt.

By yessiree (78), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 5:32 AM
History has shown that absentee ballots slew to the republican side. Oh well.
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Nov 9, 10 7:32 AM
The real teaparty from their one of their heroes:

"Less than a week after his election, Kentucky's Senator-elect Rand Paul already appears to be making a rapid departure away from one of his campaign promises: an earmark ban that stood as an conservative cornerstone, a position Paul touted to indicate he was serious about tackling the reckless spending practices of Washington.

Here's what Paul told the Wall Street Journal over the weekend:

In a bigger shift from his campaign ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 9:23 AM
it really is a catch 22. Is Paul suppossed to say I will not take any earmarks for the people of Kentucky on sheer principle knowing that ever other state will take them? Don't be a moron
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 10:23 AM
Tea Party patriot Rand Paul says he will vote against raising the debt ceiling because he knows it will be raised anyway. What courage!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 9:25 AM
The republican/teaparty will fight for the rights of corporations and banks over working class Americans:

Rachel Maddow: Republicans coming to washington have their sights on you, several saying they want the agency you're setting up dismantled before it larges. how does the mission of consumer financial protection fit into this idea of an agenda for the middle class?

Elizabeth Warren: I have to say, i'm really surprised by this move. following the great depression it took 50 years ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 9:28 AM
I am no fan of over reaching big government intruding on my life's decisions nor am i a fan government redistributing wealth for the communal interest of the greater whole the government has chosen. Tarp, Obamacare and Cap and Trade all championed by Obama / Pelosi / Reid / Bishop are classic examples of far reaching government. Like it or not the more intrusive the government the more socialist it becomes.

Tim Bishop time had come, good bye and good riddance. Hopefully we are done with ...more
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 9:39 AM
Welcome to the group snake, Don't let Phil annoy you to much he is like a fly that keeps buzzing around the room. Most of the time we just let him ramble and pay no attention to his progressive rants.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 10:32 AM
Thank you Joe. Socialism has failed in every instance some times with deadly results. My German born grandparent cursed Communism, National Socialist German Workers' Party, and always warned of evils it brings. Thank god they lived on this side of the Atlantic. They saw first hand the way the socialist agenda slowly deteriorated and infected the nation (Germany) in some instances and violently in others (Russia). Now these are extreme events and not every socialist is a evil person, but that said ...more
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 11:10 AM
Communism, and Socialism are not the exact same thing. Labeling them the same is like labeling genius, which is like strolling down the Campbell's soup aisle. There ain't just one flavor.

See the difference, between Josip Broz Tito, and Josef Stalin as a prime example.

No matter what you call or label a society or government throughout History, it was mainly greed, and corruption which destroyed them.
Nov 9, 10 3:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
Tito's version of "Socialism" worked rather well, and those who were native to Jugoslavia during his leadership often speak highly of it. His funeral was the largest, and most widely attended in modern History, but the country unfortunately fell apart in civil war within a decade of his death. Simple proof his leadership held the country together. It's not about the system, it's the people who ARE the system that cause it to succeed, or fail.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 3:10 PM
You described two systems, and ONE was an inherently Communist regime.

Did your grandparents hail from the Weimar Republic, or the Totalitarian rule of the Third Reich?

Or, were they from the East (socialist free market), or West (Communism) after the post WWII division?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 6:03 PM
Just when you thought the teaparty/republicans could not get any crazier, the king of the loonies, pro-secessionist Rick Perry goes on Jon Stewart show:

WASHINGTON -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), fresh off a re-election victory for an unprecedented third term, went on "The Daily Show" on Monday and railed against big government and progressivism to promote his new book, "Fed Up!".

Stewart asked Perry when, exactly, the country began going off the rails. "About a century ago, actually," ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 11:25 AM
Thank God for Texas
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 11:27 AM
You very welcome snake. no one ever said they were all evil, just disillusioned and bitter
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 11:26 AM
That was great This just in and quick....He went to make some toast to feed his gerbil. I cant wait for his stupid ignorant ass . See you guys later....lolll
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 11:46 AM
Phil which type as there are many different types. Surely as true leftist you know that or are you just a instigator with limited understanding of politics????
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 12:17 PM
Is there no end to republican/tea party hypocrisy? Apparently not.

"Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is out with a new book that, among other topics, pulls no punches on the notorious sexual indiscretions of some of Washington's players -- with two notable exceptions: Sen. David Vitter, his Louisianan compatriot, and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich."
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 1:55 PM
Here you go Phil. These examples should be simple enough even you could understand:
1)Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor because he doesn’t have a cow.
2)Communism: You have two cows. The government takes both and gives you what milk the government decides you need.
3)Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both and sells you the milk.
4)Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 2:26 PM
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Phil your a moron but i like you. When you get a chance enlighten us on the world according to Phil. I see i am going to find great entertainment in the world according to Phil. And we still await your definitions of Socialism.
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 2:32 PM
come on Phil expand tell us lowly citizens educate us give us some definitions and tell us how socialism ideology will make our life better. Don't cast us off to wind we want to hear from you.
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 2:41 PM
While your at it you should read the writings of Ludwig von Mises.
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 2:46 PM
90% of the people screaming SOCIALISM, have no idea the of the level of criminal behavior that led us to this point.

They have no idea how dichotemous a system we live in, nor do they understand how capitalism it preached until hypoxia sets in, but in reality, we live in a bailout machine that supports the upper ten percent's failure. If that ain't a form of Socialism, well, you decide...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 3:21 PM
why so serious Jar? So mean spirited, why? if you want to discuss and debate then do so. If you want to be a mean nasty litlie girl then don't bother there bub!
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 3:21 PM
Yeah, we noticed that too.

Seems he spews his namesake, more often than not...
Nov 9, 10 5:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, by the way, cool moniker, and that joke was funy as he!!...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 5:56 PM
I could see the validity of that type of comparison...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 10:02 PM
A little reminder of how our country got into this mess and who is really responsible for one of the worst policy decisions ever

"For the second time in as many days promoting his book "Decision Points," Bush offered a hearty defense of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which was initiated under his watch to save failing banks but was used to tar Democrats in the 2010 elections.


"If you are the pres you don't have time to gamble and I didn't like using taxpayers money to ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 3:08 PM
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I am neither a Republican nor a Bush fan. Bush along with plenty of help from both parties have plenty of blame to share. One wold be morally and ethically corrupt to believe anyone person or political party is to blame. Jar I gather by your post your one side (Democrat) i right and all other are wrong. A last it is this kind of thinking that has contributed to the mess the nation is in now. It is but a said commentary. I leave you now and how about those definitions, Jar you can cut and paste ...more
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 3:29 PM
Jar I take it back, I see your not a hard political Democrat, my apology nor do i want to get in the middle of your squabble with Phil. It will only take away from the fun of the exchange. I got you confused with Pep1st. I do approve of the cut and paste as it save time and I wont tell either your mommy or phils mommy just as long you promise not to tell mine.
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 9, 10 3:59 PM
As I stated above, it's not the system which is usually flawed, it's the people who are running the show who normally are.

I think my favorite book is my copy of the Modern Textbook of Psychology, Fourth Edition. Bible thick, and printed on onion paper, it's one hell of a read. Looking at today's political arena, I'd say the section on narcissism, and it's commonly related disorders, should be required reading.

But then again, I could be wrong...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 6:17 PM
Quoting a popular voice, who happens to agree with your point of view, is not necessarily a bad thing. Many of those voices have a far greater degree of schooling, and experience. Might be why they have their jobs. Then again, they could be second rate, delusional hacks desperately seeking Nielsen ratings spikes.

There are people out there whose job it is, especially as journalists, to ferret out the facts and put them out in the public view. However, quoting them occasionally, and ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 6:13 PM
Republicans About to Show True Colors:

Republicans ran as wolves in sheep's clothing. Sobered by Tea Party challenges in their primaries, Republican candidates suddenly became populist tribunes. They indicted Democrats for running up deficits to bail out the banks without doing anything about jobs, even as incoming House Speaker John Boehner gathered the bank lobbyists together to offer Republicans as their protectors.

Now voters will see the sheep garb discarded and the wolf come ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 7:05 PM
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You know what else was a Republican Act of Congress?

Sure you do. The ones that deregulated the financial industry. Most of society must be from the Cheech & Chong school of American History, 'cause they sure got short term memory problems!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 7:41 PM
Razza wrote about philth....."emotionally unstable"??? You should read your own posts. You need to see a psychiatrist and address your tea party issues
razza5350 (694) on Nov 9, 10 8:45 AM

And I am still laughing
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 9, 10 7:58 PM
The republicans want to give a tax break to the rich and add $700 billion to the deficit. They are waiting for Randy to come and help them.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 9, 10 9:17 PM
Liberalism= Reality Deficit Disorder. So Long Timmy!!!!!!! I believe Snake is still waiting for Phil's definition of Socialism. Phil???
Speaking of wolves in sheeps clothing. Have you read the new health care plan People?
By double-D (96), southampton on Nov 9, 10 9:25 PM
Did anyone like mine?

C'mon Phil, speak up!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 9, 10 9:58 PM
If Altshchuler won he has nothing to fear from a recount. If the race was that close he should embrace it.
By North Sea Citizen (454), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 6:48 AM
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The elections swings nearly 4000 votes in one day and Altschuler opposes a hand count?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 10, 10 8:50 AM
My last word in this forum is this clear evidence of how the republican party plans to ignore the real issues facing America. One Randy more or less will not make much of a difference.

Rep. Darrell Issa, who is likely to become chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, spoke earlier this week about just how ambitious his plans for the panel were.

"I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks," Issa told Politico.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 10, 10 9:41 AM
come on Captain you don't approve of wasting tax payer dollars or politicians time on finding out if someone put a needle in Clemens butt.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 10:48 AM
A quick scan of these comments and I am reminded why I stopped visiting this site. Conservatives like joe hampton, jabrones, snakeoilsalesman et al are perfect examples of how so many in this country would rather call names and insult then talk about real, positive solutions for ALL Americans.

27 East has become a haven for right wing hate and ignorance.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Nov 10, 10 12:00 PM
As opposed to the "progressives" who remain respectful and always on point?
By Frank Wheeler (1735), Northampton on Nov 10, 10 2:21 PM
The beginning of wage repression, started with Donald Regan, head of Merril-Lynch back in the late seventies, and through the better part of the eighties. He managed to convince his handpicked candidate, Ronald Reagan, that "trickle down" economics was a workable theory. He was thinking from the same fool school, that Ayn Rand and Alan Greenspan did, which dictated the economy would regulate itself. We all know this not to be true, because of one simple factor. Human greed. Reagan slashed the ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 3:22 PM
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By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 4:50 PM
Hey where did I call names except this little twerp Philth who calls everyone who has a job a evil. You know what progress please continue to stop visiting. I for one have not missed you very much.You just liked it better when everyone on the east end was driving around with a Kerry Edwards sticker on there Volvo.Now not so much. With the exeption of hippiville (Sag harbor)
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 10, 10 6:09 PM
JOE, no retort regarding my definition of Socialism?

I'm surprised!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 6:19 PM
That's the thing Cap'n, current economic conditions prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that most corporations, and their Class A shareholders, re-invest in THEMSELVES, not the well being, and wealth of the "average" American.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 8:50 PM
Last time I looked, 1% of the country, has "redistributed" just shy of 40% of it to themselves.

Personally, I feel like a little revlution. Not the weapon laden, noisy kind, but the kind that says "We" are sick and damn tired of being brow beaten into slave wages, for occupying a necessary position in society.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 10:44 PM
Under a lot of pressure with work right now Z. I would love to play but I am getting buried in paper work at the moment.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 11, 10 1:27 AM
I am very upset with the Suffolk County Board of Elections. It is unbelievable that when the polls all closed at 9pm, there were still election districts that hadn't submitted results to the BOE at 2am the next morning! Then we find out that many of those districts that did turn in results in a timely manner submitted incorrect numbers. I believe the longer this process takes, the more opportunity there is for unseen forces to tamper with and skew the results. At the end of this process, will ...more
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 10 4:18 PM
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The poll workers were not at fault - the BOE is just blaming them.There is very little difference in reading the results from either system we had. The poll workers could not get anyone in Yaphank on the phone to give the results to so the results were just sent back to Yaphank without being called in.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 10, 10 4:28 PM
I am really trying to understand what happened. How were the results sent to Yaphank?
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 10 7:17 PM
See my prior comments. Some people were not able to get through to call in the results - after 2 plus hours I gave mine to someone else not involved in tabulating results so I could go home. The suitcases and back up copies of what is called in are returned to Yaphank after midnight by BOE employees who pick them up. The people who could not get through after several hours just sent the info in the truck. The BOE announced results based on only a small portion of the results they received. No word ...more
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 10, 10 10:38 PM
Hold on there... as one famous and intelligent man has said "It ain't over till it's over"! The only decent thing is a full hand recount. Then Everyone can rest assured that all was done on the up and up all above board.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Nov 10, 10 5:15 PM
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"The great monopoly in this country is the money monopoly. So long as that exists, our old variety and freedom and individual energy of development are out of the question."

~ Woodrow Wilson, (1911)
Nov 10, 10 5:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
Here's a SOLID dose of long term History for all you folks out there: http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/return-robber-barons
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 5:47 PM
Mr Z just curious who is the last republican you voted for?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 7:09 PM
For president, Bush 1.0.
Nov 10, 10 8:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
In a mock election. I'll get back to you on local politics later.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 8:52 PM
For governor, Pataki years ago.

In local elections, I would have to look that up.
Nov 10, 10 8:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
I actually believed in that idiot Spitzer, but I guess ALOT of us got fooled on that one. Maybe like this year, eh?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 8:55 PM
Thanks. Don't worry about local politics wasnt interested in that. For a "bona fide independent" you sure lean left. I think I have voted for more dems than you have repubs.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 9:39 PM
The main reason I sometimes lean a little left, is that they usually do a better job at "cleaning up" the mess our society is. That's statistically proven. Repubs like to talk a good game, but when in comes down to it, their sense of self entitlement, and ego, usually damage society more than your average "entitlement" does. I simply cannot believe in a society that creates such imbalance, and disparity via greed, and avarice. I've worked hard all of my life, I help others who don't have the ...more
Nov 10, 10 9:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
For reference, I do have a "minor" disability, which has had some detrimental effect in my life, and though I haven't let it stop me, it has hindered me on more than one occasion.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 9:52 PM
From an outsider looking (based on your comments) in I would not consider you a bonafide independent. Your comments are sterotypical left. To refer to the right as promotors of hate (no heart) self entitlement, greed and avarice and infer the left as a party that does "not exploit someone for their lack of knowledge or look to line their own pockets" does not sound like a bonafide independent to me.
In regards to your disability I am sorry for the hand the lord has dealt you and I could not ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 6:43 AM
Actually, you infer too much.

I prefer not to subscribe to EITHER extreme, which is usually what you get when one of the two main parties is in control. When I refer to the "Republicans" as a group of oil drilling, Bible thumping, baby seal clubbing, right to life, lethal injecting hypocrites, I refer to an extreme.

Having a heart, scruples, morals, and a conscience DOES NOT make you a "leftie", or a "Democrat". In fact, I support capital punishment. Someone kills, why should ...more
Nov 11, 10 8:53 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, for the record, I am Agnostic. Though raised Roman Catholic, I prescribe to no organized religion. You know why there are so many hundreds of names throughout History which describe "God"? Because no one knows what it is. They just like to believe that they do.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 8:53 AM
You infer with you statements that the right does not have morals but are a bunch of righteous money grabbing pigs. Support for one idealogy does not make you an independent. I support stem cell research and do not consider myself an independent.
Being agnostic and having tried catholism have you explored other religions? Many people believe religion (myself included) can be very important in ones life. Anyway best of luck and I am sure I will continue to disagree with you on many issues. it's ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 9:32 AM
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Many others. I simply cannot look at the sky, and say there is one single omnipotent being.

I guess I just know too much. Before the Periodic Table, we had Earth, Air, Fire, and Water. Before "one God", we had paganism to explain Nature with their multiple deities. I think it's simply about believing there is something greater than you, which can grant you the strength to persevere. I don't have a need to name that thing.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 12:24 PM
I just got a another call asking for a family member who had voted by absentee ballot. This was the third such call. I told the guy the person wasn't home and asked him the reason for his call. He said he was working for CSI and doing a survey of voters. To my surprise, he wanted to know if I had voted, I said yes, then he asked who for. I declined to tell him and hung up. I should have asked which party had hired him. I'll try to do that in the future. I wonder if they will send someone to the ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Nov 10, 10 6:05 PM
By the way, joe, would you classify Goldman-Sachs as a group of "statists"?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 9:31 PM
In regards to your Robber Barons you should read Alfred Chandlers book the visible hand
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 9:53 PM
business historians have tended to be more attracted by the gret entrepreneurs...the robber barons of industry..than by the institutions they created. Professor Chandler has corrected that bias by writing a masterly account of the rise of the modern business entriprise and the methods of running it......(economist)
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 10:07 PM
Excellent read on corporate structure, and genuine competitive behavior.

If you look at the difference between a cooperative corporate structure like Saturn, or a company like Isthmus Engineering in Wisconsin. All the employees own the company, every employee has one vote, and they turn a nice profit. They don't have CEO's usurping millions from the company to line their own pockets, and avaristic desires.

A co-op runs like a democracy. A standard American "Big Corporation" ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 10, 10 10:13 PM
A full hand recount is the only way we'll know what really happened here.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Nov 10, 10 10:00 PM
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If you recall, Al Gore only wanted a recount in specific counties. Bush wanted te whole state.

Twas an ugly time and unfortunatly Al did not come across as being honroable in the process.
By Hambone (482), New York on Nov 11, 10 4:27 PM
I now have 2 reasons to hope for a Dimmy defeat

1. I cant stand him
2. I would love to watch Alec Baldwin get his clock cleaned
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 10, 10 10:10 PM
Yes, we all know you hate Tim Bishop so much you have fallen in love with Millionaire Dandy Outsourcer from New Jersey, who will vote with the Republican Speaker of the House 100% of the time. That is, when he finds the time to show up. Dandy didn't become a millionaire as a result of his love and desire to make life better for his fellow citizens.
The more I read the nasty things you write, the more I hope for a Bishop victory.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 10 7:43 AM
For someone who believes in the "Lord", you sure don't act like him much. Something about reveling in other's misfortune, as I recall.

Then again, we are all human.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 9:20 AM
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By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 9:44 AM
Dont turn this into in a religious thing. It's funny I get attacked over many issues. Believing in the lord is not one of them. I have stated my position on bishop numerous times on how I feel and why. I am not the pope. Yes I can hate people and yes I can curse. How do you feel about Greenspan? I guess it doesn't matter you are agnostic
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 9:49 AM
Good answer.

Funny thing is, I don't know the guy well enough to hate HIM. I simply hate the things he has done, which have harmed so many.

I always felt there is a difference.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 12:01 PM
I concede. You are right hate is a strong word.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 12:07 PM
and what actions would that be. Donating time and money to the Church, to the special olympics, red cross, food pantry, dominican sisters, east hampton day care center, and helping the community...just to name few.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 8:05 PM
you need help
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 7:42 AM
hello....out there
By hmptnlocal (47), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 10:43 PM
Are you being treated?
By hmptnlocal (47), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 11:02 PM
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haaaa love it...he sounds like a complete lunatic right? If you haven't already go back to the beginning and read his comments...sheer lunacy! He talks about other people name calling yet he calls others idiots, dumb, clueless on and on...he is mentally challenged.
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 2:45 PM
It would seem "Obamacare", is modeled after the Republican plan "Romneycare" of Massachussets.

How now, brown cow?

http://wjz.com/wireapnational/Official.cites.history.2.2004965.html
Nov 11, 10 12:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
LOL : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Health-official-Obamacare-was-apf-3697508479.html?x=0&.v=1
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 12:04 PM
Similarities yes.... Modeled after no. It's no secret that the Mass plan has been a flop anyway. What's your point. Obama, Reid and pelosi pushed a program they knew sucked
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 11, 10 12:14 PM
For all the pandering, and all the back and forth "he said, she said", both parties are responsible for this.

What makes it so interesting, is how they blame eachother to curry favor for our votes.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 11, 10 12:20 PM
obviously very self important
By hmptnlocal (47), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 11:00 PM
Support your position? I believe opinion would fit better. Although you do tend to act as if your opinion has substance. Maybe you could look up how many 3rd and 4th generation welfare families decided that hard work is better than having your hand out and got educated so they could be self reliant. (LOL)Please save the unaccountable excuses that most libs are so full of. I quit school and started at the bottom my friend. But because of my actions my life improved.I have been a proud small ...more
By double-D (96), southampton on Nov 11, 10 4:09 PM
To philathome you are the only bottomfeeder with no life constantly posting nonsense on this site 776 posts pathetic. Listen to Razza. Do something productive for others for once in your life. Don't worry no one wants to come to your pathetic house and bother your or your family We already feel sorry for them
By J. Totta (89), Sag Harbor on Nov 12, 10 9:52 AM
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I've been an active member for a year and a half, and Phil is catching up pretty quickly.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 3:48 PM
Sounds like the state civil service designed the new electronic voting machines. After tabulating votes correctly, one would think that the second most important function of the machines would be that the totals are unmistakably clear.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 12, 10 12:12 PM
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i never saw dim bishlop work so hard on an issue. he should have taken the job he was offered at the casino.
By uncleronk (136), southold on Nov 12, 10 12:33 PM
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I see Tim is still good at finding ways to spend money though. The judge told Dimmy he must submit a further detailed explanation before beginning the lengthy and expensive process of a full recount
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 3:52 PM
I would like everyone to remember well and they should concentrate the image on the Southampton Press front page cover. Those closed eyes and perched lips of a smug individual who thought, ha ha I got him. His two fingers nearly touching...hummm, what do you suppose he was referencing to??? one can only imagine, keep it clean now....tables turn and hopefully Randy's got the needed win. I heard that people in Flanders will be very happy if Bishop loses, cause he promised them many times a long over ...more
By The Crow's Nest (56), Red Creek on Nov 12, 10 1:05 PM
Randy has to get to Washington to answer to his International Business backers. They will want to be able to outsource more American jobs (10,000 is just a start) and get more foreign campaign money. Plus they need that big tax cut for the idle rich, since it's only helped the corrupt and never helped America!
By SunriseHwy (14), Mattituck on Nov 12, 10 1:19 PM
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If you are referring to extending marginal tax cuts passed during the Bush admin for the already overtaxed $250K+ earner you know not of what you speak. The idle rich live off capital gains and interest dividends and I know of no plans by either party to either cut or raise those.
The $250K+ w-2 earner is among the hardest working, most overtaxed person out there, yet Obama id targeting them and not the truly idle rich
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 10:03 PM
No taxes on "interest 'earned income' "

What's wrong with that?

OH, wait, taxing it would give back to the society persons have selfishly taken from, to subsidize their own "success", and personal luxuries.

Can't have that, now can we?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:30 AM
"Randy has to get to Washington to answer to his International Business backers. They will want to be able to outsource more American jobs (10,000 is just a start) and get more foreign campaign money.".

Do you have any evidence of foreign campaign money coming into Altschuler's campaign or do you just like to make libelous statements in a public forum?

As to outsourcing, what do you suppose happens when all your competitors can lower their prices below yours because they transferred ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 1:57 PM
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Yeah, what do you want guys like Randy to do? Keep jobs here?! Give us a break, you commie lefties! Sure, Randy shipped tens of thousands of US jobs to India, but he only did it to make money! Ever heard of the "FREE Market"?! That means Randy is free to make money by any means possible and he does, so what?

RealityFirst is right, Randy could have sneaked over illegals to do his job, but that would have cost money and time and, besides, like Randy said, there is a better class of ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 2:48 PM
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A business can't stay in business if it's costs are higher than it's competitors.

Altschuler didn't invent outsourcing, or craft the laws encouraging it.

What should he have done? Refused to outsource on principal, and put the company on track for failure, with everyone losing their jobs?

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 3:10 PM
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Listen, I am the last one that would actually encourage someone to act on principal! Like you, I believe that principals have no place in the free market! I applaud Randy for looking after number one. (by the way, I think its "principle" not "principal", not that I'd ever question a fellow patriot!)

And your right it was well worth sacrificing ten thousand working class jobs to save the skin of the one or two hundred upper management patriots - trickle down, people! It works!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 3:19 PM
So you think that by eliminating a few high paying management jobs 10,000 working class jobs would be saved in the face of much cheaper Indian labor available to the competition?

I suspect you have no business experience whatsoever.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 3:24 PM
Hey, bro, I am on your side! Randy was only trying make his fortune. By the way, what I said was what you said, the high paying management jobs were CREATED by outsourcing 10,000 jobs to India and I support Randy 1000% in his un-principled desire to make as much moolah as possible! Dude, I am a free market-patriot! I don't need any business experience to know that my man Randy got fat on the backs of the average worker - I only wish I could do the same! Keep on baggin', bro and fight the REAL ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 3:39 PM
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Randy has one more job to outsource. are you listening Dimmy?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 3:54 PM
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Randy didnt send any jobs anywhere. He created jobs that never existed before both here and and overseas. Also created value for his investors and shareholders, some of whom are many of us with pensions and 401Ks. Some of his investors and employees took their profits and bought things or improved their homes, all of which created jobs and further taxable economic activity. Some of these prosperous people then also gave to their favorite charity or cause.

That ends todays chapter of Econ ...more
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 9:58 PM
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Most of you wouldn't know the difference between "free market capitalism", and "free market socialism", if it bit you in the ass...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:32 AM
Amazing the lengths to which you baggers will go to rationalize one of the most abhorrent business practices in America today. You call yourself patriots, but you are not an American patriot. By the way, what about all the tax breaks to outsourcers that have contributed billions of dollars to the deficit you pretend to care so much about?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 10 9:20 AM
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Wasn't it a Republican controlled Congress that pushed through tax cuts, so we could finance wars on two fronts?

Yes, they have done a bang up job as the nation's economists!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 1:35 PM
“While I respect Randy Altschuler’s right to wait to concede until all the absentee ballots are counted, I will use every means at my disposal to vigorously protect the victory that I and my supporters worked so hard to secure last night.”

Funny, Timmy wasn't looking for a recount to make sure "every vote counted" when he declared victory.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 2:21 PM
When Tim Bishop declared victory it was because the vote count said he had won by 4,000 votes. You teabaggers simply cannot be bothered with facts and that is why you allow yourselves to be subjugated by the corporate bosses who finance your candidates
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 5:39 PM
Awww, you called me a name. Why would resort to that?

Comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 8:25 PM
I don't get it. A previous poster (Q333) who was a poll worker stated that the results from her precinct were ready by 9:30 PM, half-an-hour after the polls closed. But they were unable to get through to Board of Election headquarters in Yaphank. I mean, what the....?? Another extension they tried refused to take the info. An hour later they were ejected from the polling place and left out in the cold. Giving up, she decided to leave, only to be threatened with arrest if she tried. Finally ...more
By loading... (511), quiogue on Nov 12, 10 3:12 PM
This must be reported immediately! This is starting to get very stinky! Anyone with any information should contact Tim Bishop's office and the papers!
By SunriseHwy (14), Mattituck on Nov 12, 10 5:53 PM
Randy goes to Washington. Enjoy the trip.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 12, 10 4:27 PM
Voting for ObamaCare did Bishop in. That made my decision a lot easier.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Nov 12, 10 4:30 PM
Or Romneycare.

"Repubican", or "Democrat".

You decide...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:34 AM
Wow, you have fully exposed the heartlessness that is taking over our country. It's all about a buck and not about Americans. The plutocracy is advancing. One big pottersville. Explain that to your Grandchildren and other people's grandchildren how you stepped on them for a big bloated profit. ------------PS you are being so lied to and you believe it because it helps you justify your made up mind even before the President was in office. Altschuler and the rest of the Republican/teaparty are ready ...more
By SunriseHwy (14), Mattituck on Nov 12, 10 5:35 PM
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Yes....going into an unjust war was OK with the Right Wing but health insurance reform here in the United States for Americans is unacceptable.
Perhaps now that the election is over we can find out where Altschuler stands on the issues.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Nov 12, 10 5:57 PM
He stands with the corporations who will outsource America's future to fatten their pockets.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 6:23 PM
Read the books. Not the "cooked" set.

Medicare, and Medicaid combined with Social Security most likely will have our National Debt exceeding our total gross domestic output in the not too distant future, if left unchecked.

This nation has walked a path of gross fiduciary negligence, and the bill has come due. Bigger ones to follow if taxes are not raised to pay for it. NOTHING is free, and 1% of our population, has pocketed just shy of 40% of the proceeds from EVERYONE'S contribution ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 1:40 PM
The baggers helped us keep the senate and it looks like these unthinking, dittoheads are going to help us in 2010 as well!

"The number of Americans viewing Sarah Palin unfavorably has hit the highest point since she burst onto the national stage over two years ago, according to a poll out Friday.

The Gallup survey conducted in the days after the Nov. 2 election found more than half of Americans -- 52 percent -- hold a negative opinion of the former Alaska governor. Only 40 percent ...more
Nov 13, 10 3:06 PM appended by razza5351
Yes, apparently some folks did not get the satire so, rather than pretend I am actually one of these teaparty idiots I have decided to simply attack them outright for their complete lack of intellect.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 3:06 PM
I also want to add to the voices that think it's ok to step on people for a buck. I doubt you have never been without and been outsourced. Found your job was given away for a juicy profit and struggled to feed your family. Also know there is no honor among opportunists and your time could come when they outsource you (along with the country).
By SunriseHwy (14), Mattituck on Nov 12, 10 6:38 PM
Razza5351 parodies these baggers so well that some miss the joke. Realityfirst, on the other hand, like all teabaggers, put money above all else. The guy does not even know the difference between principal and principle but what is worse is that he does not care
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 6:51 PM
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Being attacked by an America hating leftist traitor like you is a badge of honor.

Are you in a bad mood because you forgot to spit on a few veterans yesterday?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Nov 12, 10 8:29 PM
The left accuses the right of being all about money, when its the left that wants to take our money form us
By smacw (222), New York on Nov 12, 10 10:11 PM
the woman does not even know the difference between Razza 50 or 51 . You self righteous ignoramus
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 12, 10 11:28 PM
When both are pseudononymous sock puppets of the same persona, playing possum for the other, there is NO difference.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:10 AM
Now, now reality-first, aren't you the same teabagging dittohead that cried about being called names? Do unto others, bagger. Do unto others.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 3:10 PM
OK, razza51, you may not be a split personality, but I'd have to ping both IP addresses to know for sure...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:04 PM
I wish there was some investigative reporting of what happened at the Suffolk County Board of Elections on Election Night. Why are they saying results trickled in, while poll workers say the BOE in Yaphank couldn't be reached for them to submit their results? I feel the voters deserve a full accounting of what really happened with the entire process. I, for one would like to be sure my vote counted!
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 9:36 PM
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Wish in one hand, and spit in the other.

Let us know what fills up first...

Gee, am I being too cold?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:25 AM
Why were the results submitted by a third of the voting districts incorrect? This is very alarming, and should require further explanation than has been provided as of now. Was this a problem only in Suffolk County?
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 10 10:20 PM
This has happened in other areas of the state as well. The problem wasn't in the machines recording the votes correctly, the problem lies in the data being reported incorrectly by election workers. The machines do nor report their data, people call in the results. Whenever you add a human element you raise the risk of error, or fraud!
By Walt (264), Southampton on Nov 12, 10 11:02 PM
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It's POLITICS.

Something ALWAYS STINKS...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:27 AM
Its amazing how democarts don't mind getting their funding from big labor unions but hate it when the republicans get theirs from corporate america. What is the difference?
By Walt (264), Southampton on Nov 12, 10 10:59 PM
Bravo! Walt now your getting It, The reason is because they hate success. When everyone is equally miserable they will be content. What is particularly vexing is the fact that they fail to see how hypocritical they are. Phil is a shining example proving his ignorance on a daily bases while standing in a puddle of his own pee.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 12, 10 11:24 PM
Joe...go to youtube and watch I'm Voting Democrat it is great.
By ahhhndrea (25), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 3:06 PM
DOG spelled backwards...you are hearing the voices...
By hmptnlocal (47), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 10 12:24 AM
Maybe they will re-open Pilgrim State for you..you may need every room...
By hmptnlocal (47), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 10 12:29 AM
Don't take this the wrong way joe, but I have been EQUALLY, if not more successful than you. And, I WILL guarantee that you have NEVER worked harder on a physical level than someone like me. I hauled REFUSE for a living, at least THREE TONS worth every Monday for at least three months of the year. Match that, if you can.

The main difference between you and I, is that you had the ability to be slightly older, and a hair more opportunistic when it came to the way society is structured.

I ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 1:58 AM
Mr Z. How do you measure success?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 7:30 AM
Independence. Knowledge. Self reliance.

Paying your due to support the society which grants you the blanket of freedom, under which you reside.

It has nothing to do with how much fiscal wealth you pocket for yourself. It has nothing to do with owning your very own "Golden Cow".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 1:20 PM
It just seems that you have an inflated ego of yourself to deem yourself better than someone else or making statements about someone else without truly knowing them.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 1:54 PM
Looks can be deceiving. How about some bread, and circuses?

"People tend to believe what the prefer to be true."

~Sir Francis Bacon
Nov 13, 10 2:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
"That Detective, is the right question. End Program."
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:08 PM
And, now that I think about it, if I really thought I was better than everyone else, I'd bill hundreds of dollars an hour for my services.

Now wouldn't I?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 13, 10 2:38 PM
Kudos Phil. You actually do have a sense of humor... I think
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 4:54 PM
Isn't It you that said not to assume how hard someone works. Here it is Saturday morning and Ive been up since 5:45. I will do more today than most do In three.I need time to digest the rest of your comment I will get back to you later today.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 13, 10 6:53 AM
And just how do you know you have been equally successful as me. As for guaranteeing that I have never worked harder physically than you, are you sure you want to do that.if you only new how foolish that statement sounded.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 13, 10 7:01 AM
Yes Joe, you are the working man's hero, that's why you support candidates who outsource jobs and favor corporate interests over those of the middle class. You may work hard, but you are one of the laziest thinkers I have encountered
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 10 9:10 AM
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Joe is the anti-intellects hero.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 3:11 PM
Joe I agree. its a pretty bold statement considering he never met you.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 11:38 PM
Bold indeed , Thank you the real Razza
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 14, 10 1:15 PM
Taken directly from the above article "The new machines saved the paper ballots, and they spat out long rolls of paper with results after the polls closed on Election Day; poll workers transcribed the results onto worksheets before calling the results in to Board of Elections headquarters," Its hard to believe in this day where technology is king that some one actually thought up this new voting system and even scarier that it was adopted by the powers that be! Even the lowly voter could have ...more
By usuallyquietonquiogue (10), Westhampton Beach on Nov 13, 10 7:21 AM
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OK, ONE MORE TIME. The problem WAS NOT with the poll workers caling in the results incorrectly nor was it with the new voting machines. The old machines had a "ticker" in the back that had to be read off of (by, lets face it, some people who are vision impaired) and then transcribed by hand and then called in. If there was room for error, it was more likely to happen with that system. The new machines spit out a "cash register type tape" and we had magnifiers from the voting stations for anyone ...more
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 13, 10 9:06 AM
To make myself clear. A newly created system that has not been designed to correct the fundamental flaws inherent in the system it is intended to replace is a failure. No matter what.
By usuallyquietonquiogue (10), Westhampton Beach on Nov 13, 10 10:09 AM
To smacw, Either you are intentionally trying to mislead people about Mr. Altschuler's business, in which case no one is fooled, or you are delusional and you have chosen to fool yourself to rationalize your defense of the indefensible.

Either way, the truth is this, Randy Altschuler formed a company called OfficeTiger for the sole purpose of outsourcing American white-collar jobs to India. He created nothing. What he did was to literally go to companies with American workers and say, ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 10 9:49 AM
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Baloney, they didnt know how to count the ballots. All you had to do was take numbers of the machine.
By longislander40 (34), hampton bays on Nov 13, 10 12:54 PM
Our president is in India outsourcing the American jobs right now.
By longislander40 (34), hampton bays on Nov 13, 10 12:57 PM
It's done everyday in this country with cheaper laborthrough illegal immigrants
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 1:58 PM
I know it is hard to swallow the truth with that teabag lodged in your throat, but at least attempt to use what little bit of intellect you may actually possess.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 3:12 PM
Oh, there's big, brave Razza attacking the immigrants again. Why? Because he and his ilk are the worst kind of cowards. They fight those who can't fight back and they play the puppet for folks like Dick Armey and their corporate overlords.

The weakest among us always scapegoat those at the very bottom of society. A teabagger is nothing more than a fascist tool.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 3:15 PM
1. It's not immigrants it's illegal immigrants.
2. I am not a member of the tea party.
3. Do illegals cost the taxpayers money and take away jobs with cheaper labor
4. You must really look up to me if you need to use my login name. It's ok I understand
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 5:03 PM
1. For folks like you it is anyone who looks Latino.
2. You may not consider yourself an official member, but you spew their talking points as though you were the founder
3. Undocumented workers are a NET POSITIVE to our country. Period. Fact. If you were to deport 12 million workers our economy would collapse. And, yes, they do jobs that Americans won't.
4. "I know you are but what am I"
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 6:25 PM
Ok, I just walked in the door. It 6:38.... is 12 1/2 hours good enough for a Saturday Z. Now I will choke down some dinner try and spend 1 hour with the kids and I will be back at the desk until 12. Then guess what !?! Up again and out the door by 6;30 Its a Sunday so I will sleep late.And what was that opportunistic crap about before? You had me laughing all day with that one.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 13, 10 6:44 PM
Now, comes the real question.

How many people every day, all around you do the same, and are compensated far less for their effort?

How fortunate do you feel, to not have a career path, that has "dried up"? You're lucky to NOT be a person who has always supported society, and been cost everything by someone else's abusive hand. Bursting bubbles don't work. Boom, and bust, doesn't work. It only hurts our society, and there's a good shot this one could do us in. That's a fact. ...more
Nov 14, 10 3:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
I would never say you can't be more wealthy, or successful than your peers. What I say, is you can't be allowed to screw everyone else to do it.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 14, 10 3:02 PM
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Lets be clear its not latinos. Its ILLEGAL immigrants
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 9:19 PM
75%....no way. Who does these studies and how can they possible determine that.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 11:35 PM
Let's be clear. Illegal is not a race.

If you pull the "race card", all you do is distract from the problem at hand.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 14, 10 8:28 PM
No offense but I just can't believe those numbers. I firmly believe the GVT has no clue as to how many illegals are in this country let alone what percentage are here due to extended visas. It's seems there are polls and studies out for everything these days but how Data is gathered in determining if there is any validity to it
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 8:52 PM
Msmarple is vying for the role of most ignorant, rightwing dittohead on 27East and she is pretty close to beating little razza
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 13, 10 9:49 PM
Why is it whenever they talk about recounts they add that the absentee ballots may have to be counted. Aren't they automatically counted in every case? And why would it take 12 hours or more to count up to 20000. The average toddler could do tht in about an hour.
By hamptonsnrcit (38), sag harbor on Nov 14, 10 8:40 AM
You folks on the right need to wake up and face reality of what a plutocracy really looks like. Read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/politics/14coats.html?_r=1
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 8:59 AM
TERM LIMITS! now there is something we all can all agree on, right? er, left? .....correct??
By loading... (511), quiogue on Nov 14, 10 10:09 AM
captn, could you just once admit the truth, please. Just once. The republicans want to give permanent tax breaks to the rich, they want to lower the tax rate for massive corporations that already pay next to nothing after loop holes, the right-appointed activist supreme court just ruled that corporations are people, they blocked a bill that would have stopped tax breaks for outsourcing, they blocked subpoena power in the investigation of BP, the want to deregulate, they blocked campaign finance ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 11:04 AM
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It's also called oligarchy.

This time, it's the "wealthy".

You know what I've found about too many "wealthy" people? They often have the skill set of a species doomed to extinction. So specialized in their career set, they can't screw in a lightbulb, 'cause they've always paid someone else to do it for them. It's an interesting feeling when you have to look at someone, and their presence screams "HOW IN THE H**L HAVE YOU ACHIEVED YOUR STATION IN LIFE?".

Not all of them, ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 14, 10 8:44 PM
51, Corporations are the economic engine of the country, And we want to give tax breaks not just for the rich but lower taxes for all.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 14, 10 1:11 PM
When the average middle class worker pays at a higher tax rate than a billion dollar corporation, we have a problem. Every plutocracy needs its complicit tool and that role is filled with stunningly ignorant blindness by folks like you and the captn. If you think it is fair that GE paid zero tax dollars in 2009 because of loopholes, then you are a plutocrat. Small businesses (not the republican definition which includes billion dollar hedge funds) are the economic engine of this country.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 4:21 PM
Yet again, cap'n, there goes the bailout machine rewarding failure with tax breaks, loopholes, and write offs.

Get real...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 14, 10 8:31 PM
You should try googling a great article by Scott hodge called putting corporate tax loopholes in prespective.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 9:11 PM
None of them do a damn thing to change it. Neither party. It most likely would not benefit, or behoove them, or their combined interests of living fat off of the American Taxpayer.

That's what's real.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 3:02 PM
Phil. Newsflash the rest of the country IS falling down. The dems have had total control the last 2 years and have controlled the house and senate for the last 6 years. It's pretty safe to say that their economic policies are not working
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 14, 10 9:19 PM
Dont bait this moron..he can't help himself...
If he could reach his own balls he wouldn't do anything else...
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 10:24 PM
kayleesh, what a classy chic you are. Typical of the sexually frustrated the right-wing female. Don't blame philathome because your husband refuses you.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 1:02 PM
I know Kayleesh...she is a model...and a very happy person.
By 11968shlocal (22), southampton on Nov 18, 10 11:01 PM
Drink the tea, not the kool-aid...
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 10:44 PM
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Men....hgghhgh
excuse me,
people like you don't understand anything else...
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 10:48 PM
pliathome...always on the attack..
there are so many hard working people in this country who are carrying the load for people who are not citizens...are not paying for health care, school, taxes...and are reaping the benefits.... Why the hell am I paying my taxes?
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 11:03 PM
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To support the infrastructure, that grants you the "blanket of freedom", under which you sleep every single night.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:00 PM
You are happy to work all your life for someone else's children to go to school? I am not.
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 11:12 PM
Kayleesh,
We pay taxes so that the future of our nation, the children, will be educated. Would you like just the rich to educate their kids so they can rule the rest of the masses? Seems so.
By Nordseacap (5), southampton on Nov 14, 10 11:21 PM
I don't want my tax dollars paying for some bigot's children to go to school.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 12:04 PM
The "rich" already do. I asked if our country is an oligarchy, and this is the response I got, and a user by the name of "Paladin" was awarded for having the "best answer".

"If you're referring to the United States, yes, I would call the current state of our country an oligarchy. But this is nothing new. I think it's safe to say most civilizations throughout history have been oligarchies.

The only thing that ever changes is the identity of the ruling class. Most often in the ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 7:24 PM
Not at all! I feel that everyone should pay their way.
Why do you seperate the rich? because they are successfull?
Do you think it is only the rich that get educated?
Do you think we should let every family in the world into the united states...not paying taxes but having thier families and children benefit from the middle class of america?
I am sick of paying everyone else's bills!!!!! I cannot afford it! I live in HB's and most of the school age families do not pay taxes!! ...more
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 10 11:30 PM
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School taxes are paid through real estate taxation. Unless these people are living in the woods they ARE paying taxes.

Might I ask who paid for YOUR education?
By VOS (1011), WHB on Nov 15, 10 12:47 AM
"most of the school age families do not pay taxes" It is the blatant, boastful ignorance of the right that is simply beyond all reason. Seriously, you folks scream and yell but never take time to think.

To attend a public school, you must live in that school's district (and YES, they DO CHECK). That means you live in a house or an apartment. That house or apartment, if you do not own it, belongs to someone who does. That person pays property taxes with the income from your rent. ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 9:28 AM
Actually, the schools just sent someone to do a drive by and make sure the given address exists. They do not verify they live at the given address. The lease, etc given to the school is not verified either. Any anyone wanting a free lunch or other school program is given it with no questions asked. And yes, I know all this and my above staments about Medicaid/Welfare/Food Stamp/Free Cell Phone fraud after receiving mail in my box addressed to someone I did not know and making a few calls.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 15, 10 11:41 AM
Nonsense. In my district they come to the door and check every single year. Period. And when they have found violators, they have been removed and I have seen it happen.

As for the rest, you would deny a child, any child, a free lunch?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 12:02 PM
Where are you? Southampton does not check.

By Q333 (161), Southampton on Nov 15, 10 12:06 PM
Less taxes now, than in the '50's.

Hmmm.

Y'know, it's oddly coincidental how our standard of living has plummeted, and our cost of living has gone through the roof, along with the tax rates that were slashed 30 years ago. Most beneficially toward the upper echelon of our society.
Nov 15, 10 7:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
And silly me, I forgot the increase in our National Debt, thanks to more tax cuts, and some expensive bellicose actions since the WTC disaster.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 7:28 PM
We are going to tax the middle class when there are SO many people in this country not paying taxes at all...
You want to give people a free ride and make me pay more...
By KAYLEESH (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 10 12:06 AM
Life with the teaparty:

"In the video, the Neo-Nazi march organizer, J.T. Ready, can be seen explaining to a group of protesters that the assault of his members is not acceptable.

Ready reportedly shares a connection to SB-1070 architect and Arizona state Rep. Russell Pearce (R).

Though Pearce denied having knowledge of Ready's involvement with the National Socialist Movement during his alleged proximity to the group's organizer in 2007, when Ready was in the midst of ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 12:03 PM
the twilight theme song is going off in my head after reading that one
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 12:35 PM
Phil you forgot to log in as razza5351 when responding
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 1:31 PM
Unless someone has a random generator, that could work...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 7:42 PM
Hope Randy enjoys his week in Washington-good chance he will not be back in Jan.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Nov 15, 10 12:40 PM
And that is based on what information???
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 1:44 PM
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) reportedly successfully petitioned the Obama administration for a grant of almost $1 million in the wake of the passage of a health care reform package that the Nevada Republican vehemently opposed and has since vowed to repeal.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 15, 10 1:20 PM
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Whats your point? Are you saying because Ensign oppossed the bill his district is suppossed to take it up the keister. Are you saying that if you dont get on the Obama, reid and pelosi express you should be penalized? Even the Obama administration (who approved the petition) does not believe that. Im sure you pulled that info from Moveon.org or Huff post. Not even news worthy!!
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 4:42 PM
I voted for Bishop. And if the results are upheld and he loses, then so be it. thats the system we have.

My question is this - when it was first reported that Bishop won, Randy's supporters came out in full force to say that Bishop better realize that 1/2 of his constituents didnt vote for him, and he should act accordingly.

Now, however, when it seems as though Randy will be our representative, i do not hear those same supporters telling Randy that nearly 1/2 of his consituents ...more
By tm (172), mtk on Nov 15, 10 2:06 PM
I am pretty sure IF Randy wins he will have to answer those questions to the people in 2 years or be held accountable by the voters. It is normally very difficult to upseat an incumbant but many people are not happy with his voting record
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 2:47 PM
The top republican in the senate reversed his course and endorsed a moratorium on pork barrel spending. We need to get more of these clowns on board and start restoring fiscal responsibility and sanity to the GVT.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 4:35 PM
Mr. Altschuler created jobs that never existed before. I don't care that some of them were in India. If 1000 jobs were created in some other part of the world by a US citizen, then money is made here in the United states. That person making the money has to have US workers to support his business as well. US jobs are created and well paid for. Besides, people who need help in other parts of the world are helped as well. Bishop has never had a job in his life where he created a job (except ...more
By Doug (14), Hampton Bays on Nov 15, 10 4:35 PM
Have you ever had to call one of these outsourced "support professionals", only to have a person, with a rather heavy foreign accent, read standardized responses to you from a three ring binder, most likely accompanied by some sort of crib sheet?

OH, BABY, that's quality!!!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 7:14 PM
That is why I choose to never buy a Dell computer again. Companies mack choices and choices have consequences. Let the system work Z
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 16, 10 2:06 AM
I'd rather build my own rig for about $500, with a life expectancy of at least six years.

Free market at work, right?

We need to start letting them fail. I agree with that.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 16, 10 2:07 PM
Leftists don't understand that jobs are created in the open market, not by government. Government helps the economy by staying out of it.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 6:22 PM
Sure.

Government staying out of Wall Street's jobs has worked WONDERS!

There are places for the government to be, and places for them NOT to be. Someday, maybe we'll figure that out.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 7:20 PM
If you read up on he beliefs of he founders you will find that the government was NOT suppossed to play an active role in the free market system. This is not to say that the system is perfect, yet it has proven to be the most sucessful in the history of the world.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 8:24 PM
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The Government CREATED the "Charter System", which the "Robber Barons" abolished. This was one of the direct causes of the Great Depression, due to the lack of rules, and regulations regarding business practices, and treatment of workers.

The same deregulation of the financial industry ten years ago was kin to the same lack of sane controls back then. It was also a FAR more successful system when the "rich" paid a 75 to 90 percent tax rate in the Post WWII era. Where do you get these ...more
Nov 15, 10 9:38 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oversight, and regulation to prevent malfeasance, and abuse is NOT interfering with the "free market". It only interferes with someone's ability to becom obcenely wealthy, for the wrong reasons.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 9:38 PM
I agree with that but the places are very few.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 16, 10 1:59 AM
???????????????????
By PBR (4819), Southampton on Nov 15, 10 7:55 PM
Living in the Hamptons we know that the wealthy people create jobs for us locals. The lawns that need mowing, home repairs, and countless other jobs that would not exist without the big spenders. Some workers here eventually build big businesses and then become wealthy themselves. This is basic economics. Socialists like Obama don't get it.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Nov 15, 10 8:22 PM
They are also the reason it costs at least 300k, for a "handy man special" of a house that would be worth half that, or less by comparison years ago out here. There is a fine line between being wealthy while society is healthy, and your greed and avarice being the root of it's destruction. Disparity caused the French Revolution. Obviously, "We" have learned NOTHING from such examples of a self destructive patterning of society.

As a matter of fact, frequently the price is half that elsewhere ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 15, 10 9:31 PM
Ya like 14 years ago
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 15, 10 10:21 PM
Oh please I cant take the whining anymore just get a job. You sound like a bunch of spoiled children.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 15, 10 10:24 PM
The only one here who is spoiled by his own fortune, is you.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:46 PM
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By polito (14), wainscott on Nov 15, 10 10:33 PM
Seems like many would like some components of a free market to operate more freely than others.

In a real free market, you would not be able to pick and choose which parts to regulate and which to allow to operate without restrictions.

In a real free market, It would be pay as you go for each and every expense.

Choices would be made about every item. Some items would be less important than others. If you can afford to live here on the waterfront and pay people to take ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Nov 16, 10 9:09 AM
Can any correspondent post a link to some information on this race that is current as of today (Tuesday, November 16)? I have be scouring the web and found nothing substantive. (For instance, what the sample machine recount actually showed by the numbers.) The Suffolk County Board of Elections which is supposed to be running this process still has Bishop winning by 3800 votes on its website.

It's two weeks for goodness sake. Show us SOME progress.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 16, 10 2:26 PM
As of today, 11/16, the count of the absentee ballots began. The BOE decided that the mandatory 3% audit, conducted regardless of whether there is a close race, was going too slowly -- only about 3 or 4 machines a day being counted out of a total of 43 comprising the 3% -- to make the crucial absentee count await its completion. Therefore, while the 3% audit plods on, the count of the absentee ballots, affidavit ballots, special, military and emergency ballots, around 11,000 in all, commenced ...more
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Nov 16, 10 6:34 PM
To fidelis:

Many thanks. One would think that at least SOME member of the news media would have bothered to disclose this information. What's out there is a virtual vacuum.

Was your post based entirely on personal experience or was it found to some part on a news site that I couldn't find? If the latter, would you be so kind as to post a link.

Thanks again.

- highhatsize
Nov 17, 10 9:05 AM appended by highhatsize
Ooops! Just reread your post and saw that you had already answered my question. Thanks again for the data.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 17, 10 9:05 AM
So sore loser Tim Bishop is scheming up way to challenge every ballot thank has been voted for him.Hopefully the judge denies Bishops request. I said it before and i'll say it again Tim Bishop is a slimy low life!
By snakeoilsalesman (13), East Hampton on Nov 16, 10 3:27 PM
Dan's Papers is reporting that Mr. A is challenging the absentee ballots of Mr. Bishop's parents (quoting a statement from Mr. Bishop's office).

No press release here:

http://timbishop.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=79§iontree=3,79



By PBR (4819), Southampton on Nov 16, 10 6:27 PM
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By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 17, 10 12:47 PM
OUTSOURCING IS GREAT !
By jose1 (28), southampton on Nov 17, 10 12:54 PM
This is the party about to take control and before you teabagging dittoheads deride the source, it is the conservative propaganda rag The Washington Post. Americans, fear for our future.

Republican irresponsibility on START
By Adam Serwer
The Republican attempt to derail ratification of the new START arms control treaty with Russia is a reminder of how far the GOP is willing to go merely to deal the president a political defeat.

Ratification of the new START treaty shouldn't ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 12:59 PM
> "it is the conservative propaganda rag The Washington Post"

Are you so far to the Left that that is how you describe one of the most Liberal newspapers in the country?

Is that even possible?
By Frank Wheeler (1735), Northampton on Nov 17, 10 1:41 PM
The Washington Post is a one of the most liberal newspapers in the country? Mr. Wheeler, at least try to begin your argument from a foundation of reality. You have bought this whole lie of the "liberal media" when, in fact, it is the exact opposite. The Washington Post has one of the most conservative editorial pages in the business and that is how you determine which way a paper leans.

I suggest you read this:

"When I began thinking about doing a column about recent developments ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 2:01 PM
Bread, and circuses.

Keep the "rabble" ignorant, or sensationalized by the Fourth Estate, and you can just about get away with anything you damn well please, while MOST of the people are fooled, looking the other way.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:49 PM
fixed
By banjack (45), port jeff on Nov 17, 10 1:49 PM
Every day we learn more and more about what life will look like under Republican control and it is NOT the America is used to be

Killing the Poor Instead of Taxing the Wealthy in Arizona
Wednesday 17 November 2010
by: Matt Renner, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

If you happen to be sick and poor and are among the 98 people in Arizona who are awaiting state-funded organ transplants, you've just been handed a death sentence.

This morning, NPR reported on cuts to the Arizona ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 2:56 PM
I just finished reading this month's National Affairs section, as well as Matt Taibbi's article on the "rocket docket" in Florida, which is the nickname for their foreclosure court.

If you would like a little more information, and understanding of just how CRIMINAL the last ten years have been on Wall Street, it's recommended reading. HIGHLY recommended reading...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 3:08 PM
Mr Z for a guy who claims money is not important in determing ones success you seem to be obseessed with it. I recently saw a pretty amusing you tube video that you might like. Google "quantative easing explained" and look for the cartoon that has over 1 million hits. i think you will like the part about Goldman saks
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 4:21 PM
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Once again, and so many times I've lost count, you are presumptive, and incorrect. I've already seen it, and it's about "quantitative easing".

The only main "obsession" I have is knowledge. Sharing some information about how a few people have abused the system, and created "wealth" out of the thin air, and made more on OUR dime. And if it wasn't fake as paiste, it sure got shattered, and blown away pretty quickly. One of my other "obsessions" is people being rewarded for chicanery, ...more
Nov 17, 10 7:07 PM appended by Mr. Z
By the way, that's "Greenspeak" for "I have no idea how to actually do this job, but I'm such a good bulls**t artist, I can keep with no one the wiser.".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:07 PM
And yes, it's bleeping hilarious.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:14 PM
another tabag looney bites the dust

BREAKING NEWS: AP calls Alaska Senate race for incumbent Lisa Murkowski

By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 3:17 PM
From the Bayport Bluepoint Patch

"Altschuler's camp filed 24 more objections to votes - one of whom, ironically, turned out to be Bishop's father"
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 4:20 PM
Thats right Bishops father resides in Florida and hasnt been in Ny in the last 30 days. Per the LAW he is not eligible to vote
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 4:22 PM
For all of you baggers who screamed and yelled about the bank baliout - ____ you

GM sets stock price for biggest IPO ever
$33 a share could raise up to $22.7 billion, allowing automaker to pay U.S.

"The successful completion of the IPO means the U.S. government's stake will immediately drop to 33 percent. It could fall further if certain warrants are exercised in the coming years."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40239242
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 4:38 PM
Hope we get enough suckers to buy it at 33 so we can get some of our money back. Based on the companies and industries track record we can most likely expect another bailout within 5 years
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 5:09 PM
Privatize the (obscene) profits and socialize the (even more obscene) losses - thats what wall street demands of their DC republican water-carriers. And thats what they get.
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 6:11 PM
Someone else read the drivel joe insisted I read.

I'm surprised you left out the word "statist", and you boiled the entire book, which is joe's avatar, into a couple sentences.

Could have saved the publishing company it's trouble, and my wasted man-hours.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:19 PM
It amazes me how much some of you hate the principals this country was founded upon so much that you revel in a bureaucratic Republicans victory. Even when you are a self proclaimed progressive. yes 51 we all cant wait to drive our very own volt. maybe we can pretend we are on hill street as we do 25 MPH down the LIE.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 17, 10 4:59 PM
Dear captain bagger, it is "principles" not "principals" and not only can you not spell them, but you would not know the principles this country was founded upon if they bit you in the ____. You're fighting electric cars? Can you think outside of those talking points that are etched into your brain? You may be able to bully others on here, but the only thing we have to fear from your kind is your extreme ignorance. The founding fathers were the most progressive thinkers of their time and they ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 6:30 PM
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The Volt has 150 HP, and 273 lb. ft. of torque is produced by it's motor.

As I am a MAJOR "gearhead", with a degree in the electrical field, I can tell you that it has PLENTY of power to it's wheels. It will more than get out of it's own way. You can also put solar panels on your roof at a total cost of less than ten grand (after rebates and incentives) if you are seriously worried about charging it up.

Nov 17, 10 7:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to the PC I built from scratch from scrap for a friend of mine. I collect old hardware, if anyone has PCs to "recycle". I will also "Guttmann" your HDD, so no one will EVER be able to recover what was on it. The cylinders on the platters end up smooth as a baby's bottom...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:22 PM
By the way, that sounded almost like my lecture on Latin, to msmarple.

BRAVO razza...
Nov 17, 10 7:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
The "Founding Fathers" railed against oppression. Anything short of that, or ignorant of it, is moot BS...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:44 PM
I am sure it will make the Dis honorable Deborah Kooperstein very happy that the village Gestapo can write more cell phone tickets since no one will be getting anywhere very quickly. Maybe we cam mandate that Harold Fisher has to come to all our garages to check our new electrical plug and while he is there write us up for the dog house in the yard we forgot to pull a town permit for.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 17, 10 5:08 PM
Your level of self righteous, egotistical, unbridled ignorance knows now bounds, does it?

Freedom is one thing. Abuse is another.

I recommend you sit down in the dark, and listen to every performance recorded by Lenny Bruce. Maybe it could act as your very own personal alarm clock.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:25 PM
Have you ever noticed I know exactly how to "set my characters"?

That should tell you something...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:28 PM
You do realize, don't you, that The Honorable Judge Kooperstien is a Town Justice. The villages have their own.
Is it your contention that it is OK to use a cell phone while driving? Seems to me like 3 or 4 times a day I see someone, (maybe you) driving like their head is up their wazzoo, only to realize they are on a cell.
Some people are capable of using a cell while driving, MOST are not.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Nov 19, 10 12:36 PM
joe hampton is a willing tool of his corporate subjugators. I almost feel sorry for him, but not quite.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 6:32 PM
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Don't feel sorry for me. I am a hard working very content man. If you want to feel sorry for someone maybe Charlie Rangel could use some sympathy today. I'm just saying....
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 17, 10 7:27 PM
You'd most likely be a malcontent, if your choice of profession "dried up", or was outsourced.

It would seem you have a fortunate skill-set.

Stop speaking like you take it for granted. Just some friendly advice from someone who put up numbers by the TON removing refuse from wasteful "cake-eater" parties, and saw some of what our society squanders firsthand. "It is better to starve in a desert, than live where there are those who waste food.".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:40 PM
If you are a woman and a republican, guess what, your party does not give a rat's a** about you (or any other American for that matter, including joe the dittohead)


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Senate Republicans Vote Unanimously Against Bill to Help Guarantee Fair Pay for Women
Wednesday 17 November 2010
by: Rebecca Lefton | Think Progress | Report

Today, Senate Republicans voted unanimously against legislation to close the pay gap between women and men. The Senate voted 58-41 ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 6:34 PM
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congratulations obama and Attorney General Eric Holder on standing in the way of justice once again...former Guantanamo Bay detainee Ahmed Ghailani was found not guilty on all but one charge Wednesday by a civilian jury in New York, in a case with ramifications for obama's policy toward Guantanamo and civilian trials for terror suspects.
Ghailani was acquitted in federal court on 224 murder charges
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 17, 10 6:54 PM
and now for the rest of the story. the government's ipo will be a huge bust. they will remain majority owners and the stock will need to reach over 130$/share for them to ever break even based on what will remain as their holdings. goldman sachs, merrill and the other investment bankers, however, will have an ab$solute bonanza. can you say 3rd home in the hamptons!? the other big winners? the unions who had their pensions bolstered by the non-union working stiffs who the government fisted ...more
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 17, 10 7:01 PM
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Total Teabagger b s. Unlike the republican bank bailout, the auto bailout saved hundreds of thousands of jobs and the citizens will make a profit. I love listening to all of these fascist tools crying about socialism! I guess it is difficult to swallow the truth with a teabag lodged in your throat. And now they're blocking Reagan's own START treaty, equal pay for women and unemployment benefits extensions? These teabagging tools are willing to increase the debt by a trillion dollars with tax cuts ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 9:33 PM
Joe once again you are absolutly correct. Attorney General Holder, in his November 2009 announcement assured the American people that the maximum punishment would be asked for the 911 conspirators. He also stressed that his prosecutors would seek the Death Penalty. This ‘political circus’ could have been avoided if the wellbeing of the American people had been the number one priority. Instead Obama’s agenda of closing Guantanamo was the driving force. He has not been able to deliver ...more
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Nov 17, 10 7:05 PM
Obama is not military, nor does he have the ability to think like someone who is. He lacked advice from a solid military advisor, and this is the price.

By the way, Reagan was a puppet of Merrill-Lynch, and their CEO Donald Regan. You should really remove that disgraceful picture. I have one on my wall, which is titled, "The World Map, According to Ronald Reagan". If I could post a photo, I would. It's HELLARIOUS!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:33 PM
introducing Mr. Z. The expert economist and garbage picker.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 8:47 PM
One man's trash, is another man's treasure.

"Back in the day", there were no "tipsters". No hydraulic aides.

A green landscaping barrel, your back, hip flexers, and knees.

A hard life, but an honest one. You really are nothing more than a "razzer", aren't you?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 9:15 PM
You really are a complex person. Anti corporation but pro big Gvt. and you feel money is the root of all evil yet you constantly talk about it.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 10:51 PM
Money is a tool, and only evil when abused.

There's a huge difference between the "free market" being regulated, and being controlled.

You have the right to be more successful, or wealthier than your peers. However, NO ONE has the right to abuse freedom, and cost society it's stability to attain "wealth".
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 12:34 AM
LOL Thank you Razza after the day I had I needed to laugh like that .
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 12:36 AM
Well, joe, it should comfort you to know I'm not in favor of "the people's car"...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 12:57 AM
<------- Hey 5351 here is the future of women in this country if Obama's radical friends have ther way ! Palin / Christie 2012
By They call me (2174), southampton on Nov 17, 10 7:17 PM
Anyone who votes for Palin, deserves a vacation, and a party in a rubber room wearing their best long sleeve "dress whites"...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 7:35 PM
We progressives pray these idiots nominate Palin. She defines the incurious rightie. Christie is a fat slob who cut millions from education to give a tax break to his millionaire plutocrat pals and would be the perfect running mate for the pet rock from Wasilly
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 10:21 PM
It's almost as bad as the dems electing pelosi again as their leader of the house. Seriously after the most recent election results don't they have a clue that everyone outside of her district really don't care for her
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 11:12 PM
how dare you detract from the record that Deborah Kooperstein has made in so many areas of justice in this town. she is and has always been a model of substance and not giving to special interest groups. she is the kind of person we should alwys have in goverment or at least advisving our overnment. she is a brilliant attorney and is really involved wiht the local drug problem. she is the best person that has ever come on the bench
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 17, 10 8:03 PM
Tough as nails, twice as hard, and knows what mercy is.

No arguement there...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:20 PM
how dare you detract from the record that Deborah Kooperstein has made in so many areas of justice in this town. she is and has always been a model of substance and not giving to special interest groups. she is the kind of person we should alwys have in goverment or at least advisving our overnment. she is a brilliant attorney and is really involved wiht the local drug problem. she is the best person that has ever come on the bench
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 17, 10 8:03 PM
Ahhh NO....
By 11968shlocal (22), southampton on Nov 18, 10 10:59 PM
Those who have ability, have the responsibility to act.

1173.
Nov 17, 10 8:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Speaking-Freely-Vol.-1-John-Perkins/70070576?trkid=222336&personid=30070226&strackid=36dbc9cf0d6823d2_0_srl&fcld=true&strkid=242552437_0_0
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 8:31 PM
I could help you with that.

Got fifty bucks for a motherboard, and maybe thirty for anew power supply?

I've got a Socket 775 CPU, and 1.5GB of DDR2 RAM plus an old Dell case "on the shelf".
Nov 17, 10 10:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
I have a pile of old computer cases, complete with COAs, or license keys for Windows XP, and generic installation software. Support for XP is due to expire in May of 2013.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 10:16 PM
Mother of god I may actually need your services someday. I need to run XP until 7 supports some features I need that M S feels are not important anymore.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 12:42 AM
Just dual boot.

Pick one, or the other depending on your task.

That's what I do. I have two HDDs, one for XP, the other for Vista Ultimate. Since 7 is based on Vista, it has similar issues.

I'm surprised you haven't used XP compatiblity mode with 7. The only reason I still use XP is for video game emulators, 'cause I don't have a flat screen TV yet, I'm still working with a 30i tube TV. Once I upgrade to an affordable plasma screen, I'm through with XP for good.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 1:03 AM
OH, the issue is mainly with ATI, and the graphics card, not genuinely the OS.

Every once in a while, it's nice to play the classics without pulling the consoles out of storage.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 1:07 AM
I need filmstrip view. They seem to have done away with that after xp. I have a lap top I bought for 1200 never turned it again after I found out vista did not run filmstrip view. been sitting here collecting dust for 2 years
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 10:23 AM
So, create a partition on the Vista laptop hard drive, and clone your XP installation to it.

Provided the hard drive is large enough, that is. If the Vista laptop has a 250GB drive, or larger, you should be able to pull that off.

Partitioning in Mr. Wizard's terms is created a "second" hard drive, on an existing one. It's the same principle behind what is usually called E: drive when there is a recovery partition.

You'd get to use the new laptop...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 12:21 PM
Mr Bishop you lost lets get this over with this is costing taxpayer money
By hegs (3), Southold on Nov 17, 10 10:34 PM
The dems lose 61 seats in the house ( hopefully 62). the American people have shown that they have no confidence in Pelosi. the repub canidates based their successful campaign on showing strong connection between their opponent and Pelosi. So what do the dems do....bring back Pelosi and the minority leader of the house????? Wow
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 17, 10 11:06 PM
The American People have proven my "bread and circuses" theory.

Remind me to send Fox News a "thank you" note.
Nov 18, 10 11:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, if you read the stats on voter turnout, you'd see most Dems, and the younger set did not turn out to vote.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 17, 10 11:57 PM
"Republicans" basically got the "We really don't give a crap anymore" result.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 18, 10 12:05 AM
Besides George Soros and his minions SCIU , Acorn, Move On, S.T.O.R.M, Media Matters and many others made sure to tell Progressives vote early vote often. I would love to know just how many voted twice and pulled off other means of voter fraud.I could see a weekend at Bernie's scam being pulled off in San Francisco, Or Sag Harbor for that matter.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:21 AM
Phil no offense but that is an ignorant comment "because you hate her so much we will keep her around". Everyone in the country except so called progresseves give her virtually a 0% job approval rating. If you want to keep her around and bury yourself again in 2012 go for it. My head WILL explode with glee when you get creamed again.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 7:27 AM
Acorn? Yor're still screaming about Acorn? You know why, because they actually registered millions of poor and minority voters and we know your side hates anyone of a different color or economic bracket.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 18, 10 9:19 AM
Even the dems have run from acorn but not you. Acorn registered million of poor and minority voters. You may even know some of them. Homer Simpson, and Elvis Presley to name a few. They also are very efficient in advising the poor and minorities on how best to cheat the American taxpayers. A real quality organization
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 10:19 AM
Regarding pelosi..Trust me Phil when I say I cant figure out why they relected her other than they are masochists. I googled Pelosis approval ratings and CBS had her at 11% in May of 2010. Most people feel she was not effective and all the legislation she passed stunk.
In regards to Acorn you are correct in stating the entity was not convicted however many people working for Acorn in different states were. Throwing out left vs right...When you look at the fact that you have a non profit organization ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 11:54 AM
Did you just reference a "blog" from 2007. Google "2010 Pelosi approval rating" and google "acorn convictions". I am guessing you will find plenty of information confirming what I am saying
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:13 PM
Typical dem. Too lazy too look it up themself and to egocentric to admit when they are wrong. I dont need to reference one particular obscure 2007 blog like you. Google what I said and you will get a laundry list. Unless it comes from Moveon.org you can pretty much take your pick and it will confirm what I said. I challenge you to use your fingers and type in the words. Oh one more thing keep living in candyland and believing only repubs dissapprove of pelosi.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 2:53 PM
1. No I will not you lazy slob
2. I am real scared
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 6:40 PM
Your kidding right , you started with this crap last month I posted more than ample proof and hear you go again defending garbage like Acorn
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:20 PM
That's you smoking gun?? You are truly a moron
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:22 PM
Pelosi will be gone. The remaining reps have seen the writing on the wall.
who tells the American people(paraphrased)...Don't worry, push the bill through (Obamacare) they (the people) don't have to understand it....
People are still coming to terms with this piece of garbage that 70% of the American people were opposed to...
Good Luck Pelosi! You will be the downfall of many Democrats..
By 11968shlocal (22), southampton on Nov 18, 10 11:21 PM
OJ was never charged with the murder either. Enron was never charged of ripping off half of California. Fact is you have a leftist organization that was funded with taxpayer dollars by a leftist controlled house, senate and Presidency. Don't you see the hypocrisy in that? In regards to voter fraud you should read the congressional reportcalled "is Acorn intentianally structured as a criminal enterprise". It appears the dems (who control) have been trying to sweep it under the rug just like the Frank ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 19, 10 10:32 AM
That is because the novelty of a black President wore off. Those people did not know Jack 1 about politics, Yes a lot of people wanted to send a message to the republicans ....but most most people under 30 still do not know who the VP is. And as far as the black vote. Besides Joe Madison and Donna Brazil and Dr Lamont Hill the rest of the majority were just pulling a lever on the principle of race. I do find it is funny never the less how an Alan Keys,Charles Payne or Armstrong Williams are for ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:00 AM
"The novelty of a black president"? Does it make you proud to parade your ignorant racism so boldly?
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 18, 10 9:17 AM
Joe is nothing more that one of those whining conservative know-nothings looking to blame everyone else for his own misery. He'll scream and cry that he is not a racist, but his postings speak for themselves. If he had an ounce of courage he'd take on the influence of the super rich in our government and elections, but instead he focuses on the defunct Acorn because the school yard bully always picks on the least threatening opponent.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 9:27 AM
Nothing racist about it just stating the facts. I could careless about color just issues.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 10:18 AM
B S Barak Obama is no "novelty" He is the duly elected president of the United States, a country you claim to care so much about. Your attempt to make it all about his color makes you a racist. Your past comments and avatars are clear evidence of your irrational hate of this man - why? Because he is black. Deny it, ignore it, fight it, makes not difference. The truth is clear.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 11:26 AM
black white whatever. he is ineffective
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 11:56 AM
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black white whatever he is O Bummer
By hegs (3), Southold on Nov 18, 10 10:54 PM
BISHOP........ I bet you were the little leaguer' that cried when your team lost the game. You've had your time.. bow out gracefully and stop looking like the fool you are!! CONGRATS to Altschuler !!!
By et6678 (12), southampton on Nov 18, 10 1:33 AM
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RANDY CAN BE OUTSOURCED
By jose1 (28), southampton on Nov 18, 10 6:17 AM
That's very true and IF he does win but fails do right by the people in district 1 then he most likely will
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 6:53 AM
Hah! "IF he fails to do right"?! He already outsourced tens of thousands of jobs and you're waiting to see "if" Do you and joe share the same basement apartment?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 9:28 AM
This could be fun. Based on the current incomplete count of absentee ballots, there is a good chance that Bishop could emerge with a slight lead. ([27/850 = 317/10000] Those votes counted have been largely from Altschuler's home district so it is conceivable that the East End absentee ballots could put Bishop over the top.) If so, Altschuler will have to do a two-step and reverse his postion on recounting ALL the paper ballots or live with the loss. Hmmm.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 18, 10 10:27 AM
Highhat not sure where you are getting your infofrom but last time you were preaching the Sienna poll and we know how that turned out. Time will tell if Bishop does come out ahead I will almost guarantee you a two step (rightfully so) if he does
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 12:00 PM
High hat it says the ballots tallied were from Bishops hometown of southampton and he only gained 27 votes
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 12:07 PM
Now if I correct her Razza she will tell me how I have to much wealth. lol
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 10:29 AM
TOO
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 12:59 PM
to! I don't feel like going to your grammar camp today. I know the difference. If you saw what I do in a typical afternoon you would realize how quickly I type this crap in .
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:25 PM
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By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:26 PM
Yes, joe, everyone know's your the busiest man in long island. Between attacking immigrants, blacks and women I am surprised you have time for anything else.

By the way, your second comment shows just how classy you are. it is childish at best, but I won't report is as abusive because I think it is important for people to have a clear insight into the real mindset of your side.

And yes, I agree, the stuff you type is definitely crap. Keep at him razza5351
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 18, 10 8:53 PM
highhat. that sounds like wishful thinking. what is the significance of the 3.17% spread there?
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 18, 10 11:55 AM
to ghostofxmaspast:

I just did the algebra based on Bishop gaining on Altsculer in the ONGOING ABSENTEE COUNT by 27 voters after counting 850. Projected to the total 10,000 absentee ballots to be counted, that would give Bishop 317 more votes. Since Altschuler is leading by 380 before the absentee votes are counted, that would put the difference at about 60 votes with all absentee votes counted. Since the article stated that the absentee votes counted so far came largely from Altschuler's ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 18, 10 12:08 PM
to razza5350:

[QUOTE from the article] "By the end of the day on Tuesday, officials had counted votes in some 35 election districts, mostly in Smithtown, . . ."
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 18, 10 12:12 PM
maybe im not reading it right but it states they were looking at votes in smithtown and Southampton but just said more in smithtown not how many more. Could be one more for all we know. The whole article seemed vague to me. Kinda like the paper calling the race to Bishop
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:07 PM
How about we cut the crap and speak some truth. The last couple of days have shown us just what a colossal mistake Americans made this election and the party of f-u has not even taken power.

Yesterday every single Republican voted AGAINST fair pay for women. Every single one. And now they are threatening to block ratification of the START treaty. Every single president and every single secretary of state since and including Ronald Reagan has recognized the importance of this treaty to ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:37 PM
The paycheck fairness act (PFA). sounds good in theory but reality it is nothing more than a windfall for trial lawyers. Its no surprise that the dems favor it considering half of their money comes from lawyers. The PFA would eliminate the equal pay acts limits on punitive and compensatory damages. This would give a windfall to trial lawyers and encourage many frivioulous lawsuits. Under PFA courts will micro manage business and increased rules and regulations would cost jobs. Bottom line the bill ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 1:57 PM
Without the right to sue how can you ensure equal pay? You spew dittohead talking points as though your brain had no capacity for anything else. The rethugs money comes from corporate monsters who only want to keep wages low and ship jobs overseas, no wonder they oppose it.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 2:13 PM
......spew dittoheads talking points....brain has no capacity...rethugs money...corporate monsters.....ship jobs overseas...blah blah blah
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 2:55 PM
Shes like a rabid dog lolll
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:29 PM
Well, it sounds as though it is about officially over for Bishop. EH and SH have been counted and Altschuler has come out ahead in those districts. As you move west, the picture only improves for Mr. Altschuler as I understand it and the absentees were in Altschuler's favor. Bishop is a good man and was a good civil servant for this area. Hopefully he will find another way to help - it seems that is what drives him.
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 18, 10 2:05 PM
Where did you get that info from? Can you please forward it?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 2:44 PM
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By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 18, 10 2:34 PM
Even their own party members say they are full of it. Of course he has courage now that he lost his re-election, but I congratulate him on his honesty anyway.

Rep. Bob Inglis (R-S.C.), an outgoing lawmaker with nothing left to lose after having his fate sealed through a primary challenge from the right earlier this year, expressed his frustrations with the GOP's trajectory toward climate change denial Wednesday in a harsh rebuke that blasted his party's hard-headed refusal to listen to ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 18, 10 2:49 PM
There was recently something in Newsday posted about 3 hours ago which shows Bishop narrowing the gap to 280 votes. This is based on votes from Smithtown and almost all of Southampton. They plan on counting EH and Southold next. EH is traditionally Dem and I know they made a big push for Bishop here Southold is smaller but traditionally repub. It appears they havent counted Brookhaven, Huntington, Riverhead or Babylon yet.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 3:09 PM
Babylon?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Nov 18, 10 3:52 PM
and Huntington? damn, now we're talking "voting irregularities!!
By Terry (380), Southampton on Nov 18, 10 3:53 PM
lol your right..my bad
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 4:30 PM
Knowing I would be out of town on election day, I mailed in my absentee ballot in mid-October. It is one of the 10,000+ absentee ballots that were received in advance of Nov. 2nd.
How come they just started counting them Nov 17th ?
It creates an appearance of impropriety when there is a close election like this one.
By Sag (53), Sag harbor on Nov 18, 10 3:56 PM
the information i have won't be published until monday.
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 18, 10 5:08 PM
the information i have won't be published until monday.
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 18, 10 5:08 PM
If you are involved in the process, which is the only way you would have inside info, then you clearly work for the Outsourcer campaign. Either you are completely full of ----, which is the most logical answer, or you are sharing info you should not be sharing. If it is the latter, ever hear of the freedom of information act? You're not nearly as anonymous as you might think you are
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 5:33 PM
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Does the freedom of information act apply to private businesses such as 27east in your mind? In factual application in the real world it only applies to government entities.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Nov 18, 10 5:39 PM
I am not talking about the press, if this person works for the board of elections and there are questions about this process, this individuals postings here will be germaine. Again, assuming he isnot simply some wingnut liar, only someone involved in the process would have inside info
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 6:11 PM
I, for one, appreciate ghostofxmaspast's comments. He needn't be "involved in the process", he only kneed know someone who is. As far as I know, the BOE has stonewalled all the media about the most recent totals.

His few postings have not revealed any agenda. Why not give him the benefit of the doubt.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Nov 18, 10 10:58 PM
The rethugs deny 14 billion dollars in benefits to desperate out of work Americans, but they want to give another 700 billion to the wealthiest Americans on top of the 2 trillion we've already given them?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 18, 10 6:42 PM
Randy wins! and 51 keeps saying .... Somthing about BLA BLa Bla women being second class citezens or somthing BLa Bla Blacks are smarter than whites Bla Bla Bla wealth is evil or somthing or somthing
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Nov 18, 10 8:35 PM
And joe hampton is still the most annoying person on these boards who seems to have little else to do aside from belittling people of color and women while tucked safely away in his cave of oblivion.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 18, 10 8:48 PM
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oh, i see, fcman is upset and bouncing around throwing b.s. and not adding a single thoughtful sentence.
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 19, 10 10:48 AM
As opposed to this extremely insightful posting you've added? HAH!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 19, 10 1:05 PM
For thoughtful sentences, see below...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 20, 10 9:56 PM
I just came to the startling conclusion that joe has read "Atlas Shrugged" WAY too many times, and on top of that, taken it WAY too seriously as a quanitative piece of literature.

When in fact, the only thing it quantifies is B.S. , narcissism, and sheer greed.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 20, 10 9:51 PM
I just read the fountainhead for the second time...Atlas Shrugged will be my next. Ayn Rand was not a socialist...
By kelly (75), hampton bays on Nov 24, 10 2:16 AM
And BS to your narcissism and sheer greed!
Too many people in this country are looking for a free pass.
We are guilty on both sides...
but ...Obama is going to bring this bring this bright, beautiful, country into a dark Philladelphia... or Chicago....Michigan....
Be happy Democrats...Unions.. South LA ....good luck
Not riding that train...
By kelly (75), hampton bays on Nov 24, 10 2:24 AM
She was the opposite...
I thought...but maybe you read differently...
By kelly (75), hampton bays on Nov 24, 10 2:32 AM
you're weird mr. z.
By ghostofxmaspast (32), North Haven on Nov 21, 10 9:26 PM
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Maybe so, but it's that "skewed" point of view which has saved my a$$ more times than I can count.

I tend to think "outside the box".

WAY outside of it...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Nov 22, 10 11:11 PM
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By kelly (75), hampton bays on Nov 24, 10 2:27 AM
He just needs to re-check his facts
By kelly (75), hampton bays on Nov 24, 10 2:38 AM
All I can say is this- I work too hard and pay too much in taxes to be a Demokrat! I fail to see how one can be a Demokrat unless one live on the dole or has a trust fund.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Nov 22, 10 4:38 PM
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