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Mar 30, 2011 1:30 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Census Shows Soaring Increase in Latino Population On East End

Mar 30, 2011 1:30 PM

A soaring Hispanic and Latino population drove modest overall growth of the full-time population on the East End over the last 10 years, according to data garnered in New York State during the 2010 Census and released by the U.S. Census Bureau last week.

East Hampton Town’s total year-round population grew by 8.8 percent, from 19,719 in 2000 to 21,457 when the 2010 Census was conducted early last year. Southampton Town grew at a slower pace overall, its population increasing from 54,712 in 2000 to 56,790, just 3.8 percent overall. Riverhead Town’s population grew by 21 percent in the same period, to 33,506.

But both Southampton and East Hampton towns saw increases in the number of people self-identifying as Hispanic or Latino—in fact, the numbers show that population in both towns would have declined without the growth in the Hispanic and Latino community. Southampton Town added just 2,078 people as a whole but saw its Hispanic and Latino population climb by 6,595 individuals. East Hampton’s Hispanic and Latino community grew by 2,746, while the town as a whole grew by only 1,738.

For a full hamlet by hamlet breakdown of population changes on the South Fork over the past 20 years, click here.

East End towns, as with much of Long Island, outpaced the overall growth of the Hispanic and Latino community nationwide and statewide. Nationally, the Hispanic and Latino population grew by 43 percent, and by 20 percent for New York State as a whole. But in East Hampton Town, the Hispanic and Latino population nearly doubled, and in Southampton Town it swelled by 140 percent, continuing the steep growth rates seen between 1990 and 2000.

In East Hampton Town, the percentage of the total population counted by the survey that identified as Hispanic or Latino jumped from 14 percent in 2000 to 26 percent in 2010, according to Census data. In Southampton Town, that percentage climbed from just 8 percent in 2000 to nearly 20 percent by early 2010.

Percentages were less dramatic in the neighboring towns—14 percent in Riverhead, 5 percent in Shelter Island, and 11 percent in Southold—but higher in others: Islip Town, where the hamlet of Brentwood is nearly 70-percent Hispanic, some 29 percent of the total population identified as Hispanic or Latino.

The rate of growth of the Hispanic and Latino population in both East Hampton and Southampton towns was steady during the 10 years from 2000 to 2010, with annual expansion continuing from the explosive growth in the Hispanic and Latino population seen between the 1990 Census and 2000. Between 1990 and 2000, Southampton Town saw an average annual growth in the Hispanic and Latino population of 350 individuals a year. Between 2000 and 2010, that growth leapt to more than 650 individuals per year on average, a total population expansion of 6,595 people. Between 1990 and 2000, the Hispanic and Latino population nearly quadrupled, climbing from 1,191 to 4,700 and more than doubled again between 2000 and 2010.

In East Hampton Town, the Hispanic/Latino population grew by an average of about 210 individuals a year from 1990 to 2000, a total increase of 2,102, or about 250 percent. From 2000 to 2010, it grew by an annual average of 274 individuals—a total increase of 2,746, or about 94 percent, in the 10-year period.

Some neighborhoods with low rates of Hispanic and Latino residency and high rates of redevelopment of older houses into larger, modern homes coveted by wealthy second-home buyers saw significant declines in their official populations. Montauk, East Hampton Village, Sag Harbor Village, Sagaponack, Water Mill and Southampton Village each lost permanent residents, even though many of those locations were consistently leaders in real estate sales in the last decade.

Sagaponack’s overall population dropped the most, percentagewise, 46 percent, though that represents just 269 individuals. Southampton Village saw the biggest loss in the number of permanent residents, 856 individuals, or 21 percent of its population compared to the 2000 Census. On the back of skyrocketing property values and a more than 40-percent decline in its Hispanic and Latino population, the easternmost hamlet of Montauk lost more than 500 full-time residents, 13 percent of its overall population—a trend that had been forecast for years in the declining school enrollment there.

At the other end of the spectrum, both geographically and statistically speaking, in the tiny village of West Hampton Dunes in western Southampton Town—where construction was only just getting rolling in 2000, less than six years after storm-driven seas breached its barrier island home and destroyed more than 100 homes—the population ballooned 400 percent, from 11 to 55. Two of the new residents were Hispanic or Latino, according to the census.

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Sorry, Capt'n Crunch, but you had best get used to it because it ain't shifting back. For your sake, I hope that when you are the minority they don't treat you as poorly as you treat them.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Mar 31, 11 12:02 PM
Razza, why do you hate your country? Why do you want to give it away? Has the influx of illegal aliens out here made our communities better or worse? We can't even afford to take care of our own.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 31, 11 10:26 PM
If the labor force is "illegal," than more of it will be willing to work off the books and are not subject to minimum wage requirements. Since the supply of this labor force is increasing, assuming the demand of labor is constant, workers will be more willing to settle for lower wages in the illicit labor market. This means greater income for employers, and potentially an increase in productivity since illegal laborers have incentive to work harder.

In a free market when employers make ...more
By mttlsp (3), East Hampton on Apr 7, 11 4:04 PM
See ya at the welfare office Razza
By clamdigger (79), Quogue on Mar 31, 11 1:27 PM
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We know Suffolk County welcomes all people, however, have to ask the question -- How many were legal and how many were illegal that have
setlled in Suffolk County? Ths is the REAL QUESTION!
By East Ender (64), Southampton on Mar 31, 11 6:08 PM
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Freakin hilarious, yah we needed a gov't census to indicate that!
By BlackDog (47), East Hampton on Mar 31, 11 6:25 PM
and you know the census misses many of them, as a large faction are undocumented. it is borderline comical at this point
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Mar 31, 11 7:08 PM
Documentation, or lack of same, is not considered in the enumeration process so why would one "know the census misses many of them"?
By VOS (1183), WHB on Mar 31, 11 10:33 PM
"...wide scale identity theft of SSNs and document fraud."

You have facts about this or is this just another thing that "a reasonable person would determine"? There is no requirement to "document" anything or anyone in the census process and the specific results are sealed for 75 years. Only statistical data is reported before that time. (Cite: the same code you show above).

Perhaps all your "illegals" don't share your paranoia.
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 1, 11 8:03 PM
Sorry, Cap, you're just waffling now. Last things first - your new question about "illegals" determining districting and funding is a question for another place (or a constitutional convention) and not something I addressed, so why question me?

As the poster claiming theft and fraud it is YOUR responsibility to make the citation, not mine to Google - and a single "ring raided" hardly translates to anything akin to "wide scale". Why must everything be couched in such alarmist rhetoric?

FDR's ...more
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 2, 11 11:48 PM
Oh how wonderful. Here are my experiences with illegal aliens out here (not meant for the politically correct crowd)

Broad sided by an illegal who was unlicensed, uninsured and didn't speak a word of English. That was fun.

Dead guy found beaten on a lawn in my town. He was living in a home with 5 legal apartments where it's the worst kept secret that the tenants are illegals. Dead guy listed as a Guatemalan National, which is code for "Illegal Alien" They never found the murderer(s).

Got ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 31, 11 10:42 PM
Your reality is a paranoid fantasy land, but hey, hope you are happy there. Or you could always move with Joe Hampton to Kansas. I've already offered my van and I'll even find one for you.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Apr 1, 11 9:01 AM
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Truth hurts!!!!hahaha
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Apr 1, 11 9:58 AM
What makes you think Kansas is any better??
By Choppy (5), East Hampton on Apr 1, 11 10:20 AM
No, genius - the reality is that is my experience with illegals out here. The events I described all took place from 2008-now. Fantasy land is is where you reside. It's the place where what we want and say trumps what actually is. Otherwise known as Liberal delusion covered in a warm blanket of political correctness.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 11 11:59 AM
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Above was in response to Razza in Wonderland.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 11 12:00 PM
"Destroying the quality of life in my town."
Really?? In Remsenburg? Get a grip.
By Jane (4), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 11 12:04 PM
i too was sideswiped by an illegal. Cost me $500 for my insurance deductible plus another $300 for the rental car that my policy did not cover. my rates went up to boot. that is money i would have used to buy clothing and feed my family.

i hope that happens to you.
By 27e123 (3), southampton on Apr 1, 11 12:11 PM
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Get ting slammed into by an illegal didn't make my quality of life better. Nor did the breaking and entering. The murdered Guatemalan National in my neighborhood didn't really make my quality of life better either. So, uh that's that.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 11 12:56 PM
Was the murderer found to be a person who assumed tenants in bldg were illegal and therefore contemptable & deserving of death as was the case in Patchogue in the murder of Marcelo Lucero?
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Apr 5, 11 9:33 AM
hahaha USA is all hate and racism!! that is why I laugh when I listen to americans talking about Hiltler !!! hahaha
By atomic (6), Springs on Apr 1, 11 12:03 AM
Wait a minute, I think I've figured Razza out. You must be making a pile off of illegal labor! Maybe you own a landscaping, painting or housecleaning business and are exploiting the poor undocumented laboreres who are here only to better themselves and indirectly our community. That has to be it, thanks for providing a safe haven for all these poor migrants who add so much to our cultural diversity. You are truly a saint!
NOTE; THERE WAS NO MENTION OF RACE OR ETHNICITY IN THIS POST!
By bigfresh (4305), north sea on Apr 1, 11 11:36 AM
Actually, I own a large trucks and I transport illegals over the border and straight to Southampton. Quite lucrative. I have also been offered money to make the opposite trip, bringing unhinged teabaggers from America to Mexico where they can no longer harm anyone. We'll be coming to pick you up soon.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Apr 2, 11 9:19 AM
Funny though, Razza never defends America. Maybe he doesn't like it too much. Dunno???
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 3, 11 8:13 AM
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gracias

ok> moderator you can now DELETE my message because i typed something in spanish.
By david h (405), southampton on Apr 1, 11 1:57 PM
it is a joke with all the illegal's out here its like i live south of the border !!!!!
By ranger (54), springs on Apr 1, 11 3:25 PM
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We wish!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Apr 1, 11 3:27 PM
lets see what happens when one is breaking into your home .
By ranger (54), springs on Apr 2, 11 3:01 PM
According to the US census bureau, the dominance of non-Hispanic white people, who today account for two-thirds of Americans, will be whittled away, falling steadily to less than half in 2042.
So if I am still alive, I shall be the minority. Interesting to look forward to.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Apr 1, 11 5:58 PM
That is correct Bruce. Let's hope the new majority treats the new minority better than they treated them.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Apr 2, 11 9:20 AM
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Once again Razza The Duke of Earl Grey shows his colors and hatred for his country. In Razza world it's a perfectly acceptable that people broke our border laws. Razza can't wait until the day when the ugly Americans get what they deserve. We, the horrible Americans should all pay a very dear price for living here and working and paying taxes. Ugly, ugly Americans. Viva Le Razza Revolution! Let common sense and logic be damned!

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 3, 11 8:12 AM
you said that already
By joe hampton (3339), south hampton on Apr 3, 11 11:05 PM
So PC, Double! Doing something illegal does not a person make illegal. Going over 55 on the LIE or anywhere is illegal & if caught you pay a fine. It does not make you illegal.
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Apr 5, 11 9:43 AM
all these latinos are going to force god back into our lives...
we were almost rid of that stuff
By dogfacejones (80), Southampton on Apr 2, 11 9:21 AM
Some real fuzzy math going on here ! When first reading the article, it struck me as totally unrealistic that Southampton Town witnessed a mere 2,078 population increase between 2000 and 2010 Census.
On closer scrutiny, and tallying individual population segments per hamlet (most noticeably Hampton Bays), the total numbers listed also do not equate -- to wit: the Census 2010 breakdown lists total population in Hampton Bays at 13,603. But, addition of the four listed demographic sub-categories ...more
By Rainfall (22), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 11 4:19 PM
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The only bashing I see, is each of you bashing eachother. You can have a problem with illegal immigrants, and not be a racist, or bigot. However, it's a great card for the bleeding hearts to play when it suits their needs. Even my two year old nephew has figured out what manipulation is, even if he doesn't know the word, or what it means. If you go out looking for trouble, you'll most likely find some. If you go out expecting to find a bigot, you'll most likely read it into what someone has ...more
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 2, 11 8:55 PM
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I'm wondering if the fint who got bustedin East Hampton for molesting 3 young children was an illegal alien?
By Brown25 (38), Northwest on Apr 3, 11 6:51 AM
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Legal or illegal I thing EVERYONE can agree he is a sick individual who should be locked up forever!
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Apr 3, 11 8:29 AM
So America is fighting wars in the middle east meant to protect us all from terror. We want to mold the middle east in our image, which is about as useless a crusade as you can possibly undertake. We will burn billions of dollars and many lives will be lost. In the end nothing will change.
However, we keep the backdoor open and allow people to walk into our country unchecked. We don't know who they are or what their backgrounds are. How does this makes sense? How is this not an issue of national ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 3, 11 8:27 AM
I'll stand up, and say that this country was built on immigrants, and we have welcomed them. However, I think we can all agree that we cannot welcome the dregs of some other society, because their leaders refuse to improve the country they come from.

I have said before, and will say it again. No citizenship, simply for being born on American soil. One parent must either be a citizen born, or naturalized. That change would most likely reduce the "volume" quite reasonably.
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 2:05 PM
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to Captn America:

Good on you, Tim. I agree completely. No one FAVORS illegal immigration but the irrational radical right keeps posting examples of individual illegal immigrants who commit heinous crimes. Yes, we know that if they weren't here they wouldn't be able to commit the crime but the fact is that for every illegal who commits such acts there are hundreds of thousands just trying to earn money honestly to send home to their families. Demonizing illegals just gives reactionaries ...more
By highhatsize (4000), East Quogue on Apr 3, 11 11:48 AM
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On point, accurate, and factual. Thanks, highhat
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Apr 3, 11 12:07 PM
Work hard, get rewarded.

I've never said that, before. If you're a felon, you're outta' here. We have enough of our own. It costs enough to rehabilitate our own, let alone another country's. If you want to be a contributing member of our society, that's fine. If you want to bleed the system, and take advantage of our "safety nets", we have enough of those already. Again, you're outta' here.

The hard part, will be the logistics of implementation. Convincing those without ...more
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 2:01 PM
In other news, a study done by a fellow of Carnegie Mellon University reveals that child identity theft is rising. Three of the primary drivers being "illegal immigration (e.g., to obtain false IDs for employment), organized crime (e.g., to engage in financial fraud) and friends and family (e.g., to circumvent bad credit ratings, etc.)". Also, it's easier to pull off, and can go undetected for a decade, or more.

If you have children, here's something fresh, and exciting to be concerned ...more
Apr 3, 11 1:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.cyblog.cylab.cmu.edu/
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 1:28 PM
Comment for "Philathome": please note that my remarks (not "threads") were geared purely to inconsistencies in total population numbers as reported in the print version of March 30 Press (assuming you have read complete article). Nothing to do with ethnicity, just population head count. To infer (or suggest) otherwise is simply disingenuous. The article, after all, was about U.S. Census 2010 figures !
By Rainfall (22), Hampton Bays on Apr 3, 11 4:00 PM
"Hispanic" or "Latino" is not a race identified by the census but rather a subgroup. Therefore most identifying themselves as of Hispanic or Latino origin have also identified themselves as white, or black, or some other race. The footnote beneath the chart in the print edition explains this.
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 3, 11 4:15 PM
"is not a race", but a "subgroup", which is a mathematical term.

"most identifying themselves as of Hispanic or Latino origin have also identified themselves as white, or black, or some other RACE."

Talk in circles, much?
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 5:20 PM
Argue all you like, but "Hispanic" is not a race and is not identified as a race by the Census Bureau. Respondents to the census may identify themselves as Hispanic in addition to their racial identity.
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 3, 11 10:56 PM
No real arguement. I know very well what questions #8 & 9 look like. You have three choices: White, Black, or American Indian. Seems to me, the answer would be D) none of the above.

I just would really like to understand the dichotomy. It's a bit contradictory, since on most every other form of paperwork, it is a race (e.g., applications for employment). What are we to understand? Hispanic: The some other race? OH, WAIT. It's a government process, and a total joke.

It doesn't ...more
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 4, 11 10:51 PM
"It doesn't have to make sense..."

That, I see, is your modus operandi here. You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Your ignorance overwhelms.

To state that "applications for employment" even ask about race, much less offer Hispanic as a choice is preposterous and strips you of the slightest bit of credibility some may have still ascribed to you.
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 4, 11 11:34 PM
I have filled out over 200 job apps in the last couple years.

I can tell you, for a fact, that they ask you for your race, or, if you would choose not to "self identify". Hispanic/Latino is ALWAYS one of the options.

The only one who is ignorant on this subject, is you.
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 5, 11 4:31 PM
From the Office of Management and Budget (the agency charged with determining government standards:

"SUMMARY: By this Notice, OMB is announcing its decision concerning the revision of Statistical Policy Directive No. 15, Race and Ethnic Standards for Federal Statistics and Administrative Reporting. OMB is accepting the recommendations of the Interagency Committee for the Review of the Racial and Ethnic Standards with the following two modifications: (1) the Asian or Pacific Islander category ...more
By VOS (1183), WHB on Apr 5, 11 5:12 PM
Post all the info you like, on how the PC police have amended the rules to suit "sensitivity". In a way, they are actually Asian, and possibly White, going back to the Ice Age, through the Spanish Conquistadors. Howvever, after at least 10,000 years of sequestered evolution, I'd say they are no longer Asian. Native Americans aren't, now are they? They are considered a "race", but native South/Central Americans are not.

Just piecemealing at identity. Like I said, dichotomy, and contradiction. ...more
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 5, 11 5:52 PM
OK Hifghat, I'll take a shot at it. But first I must take exception with your characterization of ANY illegal earning money honestly. Unless he or she has a valid SS# in their name and pays all applicable taxes they are a criminal and are not honestly earning a living. Since an illegal can't get a LEGITIMATE SS#, none of them are being honest. That being said, there is a way to deal with the hordes that have invaded our nation. Every time an illegal surfaces in the system, be it at a hospital, traffic ...more
By bigfresh (4305), north sea on Apr 3, 11 4:15 PM
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PHIL.

THEY ARE THE MOST PREVALENT MEMBERS OF THE OFFENDING GROUP. According to a Pew study, at least 81% of illegal immigrants are either Mexican (57%), or from other Latin American countries (24%). You don't have to be racist, to NOT LIKE THEIR PRESENCE IN YOUR COUNTRY.

Do we seriously have a cocaine problem, or illegal immigrant problem coming from Cananda? NO, we don't. It wouldn't be called "Fine Colombian", if we did.
Apr 3, 11 5:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
AND, according to Pew's best estimates, only 29% of Hispanic/Latino immigrants are LEGAL, NATURALIZED CITIZENS.
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 3, 11 5:44 PM
yes, I fail to understand how being anti-illegals is racist. You can't win an argument when you are on the WRONG side of the law, a law that by the way does NOT descriminate. People are supposed to immigrate here legally. Once again I MUST state that illegal aliens are NOT immigrants. They are ILLEGALS, and I am totally sick of our government allowing them to continue to flood in everyday. They are a HUGE burden on our hospitals, schools, and other tax based resources.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Apr 3, 11 7:37 PM
Yep. Imagine if we found out 1 million people from Yemen entered the country illegally. I wonder if we'd hear the same "Most of them are good, hard working people." I doubt it.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 8:36 AM
To High Hat
I try to read as many as your posts as possible because you usually have a point or two that I did not consider. However when you post "...examples of individual illegal immigrants who commit heinous crimes" I ask you to consider human nature. If you were negatively effected by one group on more than one occasion, and that group was here illegally, would you not harbor resentment? You might say "Hey, this is screwing me up now."
I do not think all illegals are bad people, but ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 3, 11 8:49 PM
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Sorry about the spelling and grammar mistakes.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 9:40 AM
You folks are being played as politicaly correct idiots, glad I moved to Mexico a long time ago where we are treated like royalty, same exact way illegals are being treated in your great country. Ah the enchelladas goompa
By MACDADDY (49), SOUTHAMPTON on Apr 3, 11 9:56 PM
failed at what , Phil? Immigration makes this great nation strong, there's no argument there. But when the system in place is circumvented on a wholesale level we are in trouble. I fail to see how my comments are in any way indicative of an anti-south of the border bias. You are looking for the same stereotypical ideal in every anti illegal post, that act is getting old. One can be anti illegal immigrant and still not harbor prejudice towards our southern neighbors.
By bigfresh (4305), north sea on Apr 4, 11 6:56 AM
A friend of mine is a comptroller at a hospital. He told me that a mandate was handed down where his office is could no longer use the term "undocumented" and instead has to refer to illegals (and others) as "Bad debt patients." He said that for maternity alone the ratio of insured to bad dept patients is approx 5:2. The difference is made up through increased charges to insurance companies, and then on to insurance purchasers (business - sole proprietors etc.)

My monthly insurance bill ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 9:56 AM
What does not make sense is your ludicrous, bigoted and moronic assertion that it is "illegals" driving up the cost of your insurance. You know who uses the emergency room as primary care more than anyone - uninsured, American-citizens, mothers and families who CANNOT afford insurance because private insurers are raping this country.

Cowards throughout history have scapegoated immigrants for all of societies ills and it has always been a lie and the cowards, afraid to fight the real ...more
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Apr 4, 11 10:13 AM
Oh it's fcm the queen of argue without evidence.

A) I got my info from a comptroller of a hospital. You can choose to disagree, but I think he may a bit more than you on this subject.

B) I don't belong to a Tea, Coffee, Democratic, Republican or any other party. You want to put yourself in a box to find comfort, be my guest.

C) I do have a solution. Here are the Cliff's notes
Strengthen the border.
Remove convicted felons.
Incremental fines for businesses who ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 10:30 AM
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BTW, FCM my post stated "He said that for maternity alone the ratio of insured to bad dept patients is approx 5:2."

If you want to go on a field trip to a maternity ward someday let me know. We'll call it a fact finding mission to determine just who those bad debt patients are.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 10:46 AM
and finally... what is your solution?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 10:47 AM
I'd like to hear it too.

The word "bigot", in her posts has begun to sound like "WOLF!!".
Apr 4, 11 4:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, BTW, here's a book I'm getting through. Bluetooth, and an mp3 capable phone aren't a bad combo. http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=pd_rsp_4?asin=B003ZJLP66
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 4, 11 4:28 PM
Don't hold your breath. FCM and Razza Tea-Tourette's hate anyone outside of their liberal group. Anyone who disagrees is a teabagger and/or bigot. They offer nothing but name calling. When pressed for debate without ideology the tail goes between the leg and off they go.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 6:28 PM
As if anyone is surprised by the census results. One has to be a moron if they haven't noticed the increase in the last 6-7 yrs. What % of the increase is here "illegally"? Can you say 80%?
Our town, county, state & federal elected officials refuse to control "illegal" immigration. The "illegal" immigrant knows this and continues to take advantage of the lack of enforcement. There are and will continue to be costs associated with the "illegal" immigrant until the elected officials get a pair ...more
By auntof9 (139), Southampton on Apr 4, 11 12:01 PM
According to Pew research center's best estimates, only 29% of all Hispanic/Latino immigrants to this country are legal, naturalized citizens.

So, it's a bit less than 80%, but, perhaps not locally...
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 4, 11 4:39 PM
to double standard:

Large immigrant groups create fear and suspicion in the established population. It was true for the Irish and Italians and it is true for the Latinos. Nobody wants to live near people who don't adhere to the same standard of orderliness that we do. But neither do those people themselves. Their goal, assuming that they want citizenship, is to lift their families OUT OF that status so that they enjoy our perquisites that they envy. In coming generations, they will ...more
By highhatsize (4000), East Quogue on Apr 4, 11 12:12 PM
"The evidence is that neither party really WANTS to solve it."

Exactly. I'd be willing to guess that most Americans would be in favor of a pathway to citizenship for those who show a willingness to cooperate and contribute.

Mass deportation is not practical, nor is it economically sound.
The only thing mass deportation would do is force those who are hiding in the shadows to remain there. I know that a lot of people think that this would reward illegals, and that's hard to ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 5, 11 11:37 AM
Funny how all the "racists" have offered solutions and all the name callers have offered, well, name calling.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 4, 11 1:19 PM
HH- Providing a path to citizenship for illegals is a slap in the face for those who come here legally. It doesn't matter what happens after they arrive here, they broke the law by entering here ILLEGALLY! Failing to recognize this most basic fact renders the rest of your argument baseless. I enjoy your well thought out , often pithy comments, but I have to disagree with you on this topic. nd the chain gang point was for an illegal caught here for the second time after being deported. Don't do the ...more
By bigfresh (4305), north sea on Apr 4, 11 2:02 PM
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for every 6 american 1 is mexican, so get used to it !!! In the future we will be minority so that is part of life!!!
By atomic (6), Springs on Apr 4, 11 8:14 PM
For every 100 of them, statistically about 71 are illegally in this country.

I guess we should get used to that, too?

Where's your village? We need to tell them where to find you.
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 4, 11 8:52 PM
Atomic, you live in Springs, and you don't think illegals are a major problem?
Springs? Are you serious? Springs has been devasted by illegals. Look at the housing issues, and the school population boom. Do you read the papers? You honestly think this has nothing to due with illegal immigration. Hope you enjoy your school being broke, and your house will soon be worth crap too. But hey, illegals are great...
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Apr 4, 11 8:56 PM
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What part of "ILLEGAL"Does the Government NOT understand? -- - It used to be a major offense to get caught without a drivers license -- Now its commomplace- - OH - - but not to worry everytime an illegal gets in caught with no license -- The penality is Suspension of Their License -- Hey! Hows that Work??? And then if you sit in on a court day in town- - You will find that a lot of repeating cases involving serious matters are dismissed with a sentence of "{ MORE COUNCILING" ...more
By pride of bonac (42), easthampton on Apr 5, 11 9:03 AM
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If the town kicked butt in code enforcement by hiring some additional code enforcement agents rather than more cops, including ones that speak Spanish, and established a special housing court we would make some progress. I agree 100% with the insanity of suspending a license of DWIs who don't even have a license. Car should be impounded. But the thing we have to guard against is lumping hardworking Spanish residents with the issues created by illegals.
By harbor (396), East Hampton on Apr 5, 11 10:21 AM
Agree with Harbor (28) comments! We need to first and foremost have the
ability to inquire regarding a person's status! WE need to secure the workplace with Employee-Verifier mandated for all businesses! We have
to start somewhere! Right now we are no where since the spin misters
have had a say in our politics and quuality of life and security issues in our
communities! Stop the hate language and start dealing with the Rule of Law!
We cannot leave overcrowded houses with ...more
By East Ender (64), Southampton on Apr 5, 11 11:22 AM
Illegal is illegal is illegal. If I were driving without a license I would be arrested. I f I hit someone as happened to me and had no insurance if would be severly fined and or sued. Since I own a home and do not rent as illegals do I have a lot to lose so I get to foot the insurance bill for my car as well as increased health insurance for those who do not pay legal or illegal. The reason i pay my medical bills is because as a responsible person I worry about insurance rates and my credit which ...more
By maxwell (169), speonk on Apr 5, 11 1:14 PM
All the girls at register at Citarrella all "borrow" a persons socail sec # and/or license to drive. This goes on at Kmart, CVS etc because law says company must file paperwork. What the big builders do that is Far, Bul, Dav, Krup, etc is they have employees act as outside labor by getting their own liabilty and workman's comp. They 1099, but that goes in the garbage, it wouldn't matter that much if it was $5 hour. All of these dedicated, hard working Ecuadorians get paid well though, 28-38 hr.They ...more
By BlackDog (47), East Hampton on Apr 7, 11 8:34 PM
1099.

The biggest loophole, next to no real verification of income...
By Mr. Z (11254), North Sea on Apr 8, 11 9:08 PM
Q:Which state has the biggest illegal immigrant problem?
A: California
Q:How is Californias economy doing?
A: ??????

Thank You for Playing "how to cripple an economy" you lose, for a consolation prize you will recieve higher taxes and nothing for it!!!!!
By GoldenBoy (340), EastEnd on Apr 8, 11 10:08 PM
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hahaha im moving to colombia i see what they are doing im not paying 163.50 a month for tv when i retire.im paying 4.50 a month
By pinga (90), hamptonbays on Apr 9, 11 6:38 PM