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Jun 26, 2018 6:49 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

'Interdependence Day' Walk In Sag Harbor To Protest Treatment Of Immigrants

Rabbi Dan Geffen, Minerva Perez, Ella Engel-Snow, Kathy Engel and Paola Agudelli are all helping to organize the Walk For Interdependence. JON WINKLER
Jun 26, 2018 1:20 PM

As the country debates the ethics of President Donald Trump’s immigration policy at the U.S./Mexico border, East End citizens will use a major American holiday to voice their support for immigrant families.

Local churches and community outreach groups are planning “Walk For Interdependence: Keep Our Families Together,” a march up Sag Harbor Village’s Main Street on Wednesday, July 4, at 11 a.m. The public event is co-sponsored by OLA of Eastern Long Island, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of the South Fork in Bridgehampton, and Temple Adas Israel in Sag Harbor.

“The idea was to raise awareness of what interdependence means,” Kathy Engel of Sagaponack, who helped organize the event, said on Friday. “It seemed like an apt and beautiful way for us to express what it means to be a community. Everyone I know is trying to figure out what to do, what’s principle and what’s effective.”

The Reverend Kimberly Johnson of the Unitarian Universalist Congregation, who also attended a meeting earlier this month at which the idea of the march arose, said the walk is meant to use Independence Day to stress the importance of depending on one another. Interdependence is “foundational through our faith,” said Rev. Johnson, who explained that Unitarian Universalists honor and respect the dignity of every person, and believe that every person is worthy.

“We’re called to respect interdependence,” she said. “We’re all connected—we cannot stand by and watch any person be oppressed and not imagine it impacted us.”

Someone who also sees a religious duty to speak out against the separation of families at the border is Rabbi Daniel Geffen of Temple Adas Israel. Rabbi Geffen described the practice of separating children from their parents and detaining them as “morally repugnant” and “not reflective of what humanity ought to be.” He added that studying the Torah has taught him to try to ensure the safety of strangers who have little means of protecting themselves, similar to the Jewish experience in history.

“To see an almost identical situation happening in our country in the last month and a half, it’s a moral obligation to help those suffering now,” Rabbi Geffen said.

Neither the rabbi, the Reverend, nor Ms. Engel has received any negative feedback about the walk or its message. If there are dissenting opinions, all three of them are open to having a discussion, they said.

“We want to have a conversation, not on law but on humanity,” Rev. Johnson said.

Rabbi Geffen said the walk is merely the first step in a continuing mission to speak out against the current administration’s policies.

“What we’re doing is legislative in nature,” he said. “We’re making sure that our representation in Suffolk County and in Congress knows that this is not something that the community will stand for. There are still a lot of issues with reuniting families, but we hope to continue to tackle the question of how the country handles immigration and asylum.”

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On your walk, please hug a illegal and take them to your home. Help them become a legal citizen, sponsor them, make them family.
My grandfather came here years ago, got a sponsor, guaranteed a job, became a citizen and paid all his bills...
By knitter (1718), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 10:03 AM
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this is a nice story but it is completely irrelevant today.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (683), southampton on Jun 26, 18 10:13 AM
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That’s exactly what I’ll do, what I have done, & what I will continue to do! The immigrants I know work long days, many of them work more than one job, and they send money to family back home. They pay their bills on time and yes, they pay taxes! (Contrary to popular misbelief.)
By ValGal03 (58), Montauk on Jun 28, 18 1:16 PM
Ridiculous. There is a national protest slated for June 30th. Why hold this event on July 4th? Why not act in unity with the rest of the nation?

People who might have wanted to attend this event already have family holiday plans and other events such as parades celebrating INDEPENDENCE DAY.
There will be a lot of traffic on the roads as it is complicating travel to Sag Harbor, not to speak about the lack of parking there. Police departments are busy enough on July 4th this is just going ...more
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 10:36 AM
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Fundamentally, what most open borders advocates find repugnant is the idea of this being a sovereign nation, establishing it's own immigration laws and controlling it's borders.

Most of the pro-illegal alien/open borders crowd believe that this is a stolen, illegitimate nation built upon slavery, is therefore illegitimate, and border controls are a noxious reminder of it's continued existence.

Let's make no mistake about it. What Toma and his allies seek is the disenfranchisement ...more
By MoronEliminator (194), Montauk on Jun 26, 18 11:29 AM
Then it's a good thing no elected official has actually proposed or even demonstrated support for open borders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 11:35 AM
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No, of course you wouldn't want open borders. You just want everyone who arrives at the border to be allowed entry, legal status, and aid. You also want the illegals already here to be given amnesty and legal status. You also want deportation eliminated, except perhaps in cases where extreme violence has already been committed. But other than that, you're all for strong borders, right?

I see you're smart enough to know it's not time to reveal what you really want for this country. Don't ...more
By MoronEliminator (194), Montauk on Jun 26, 18 11:59 AM
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That's a lot of assumptions about my beliefs, Moron.

Can you point me to where I've said anything of the like?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 12:38 PM
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You've spoken as pro-open borders here. Are you denying what ME has stated?
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 27, 18 7:56 AM
I've stated that the free movement of people and capital is an ideal to work towards, not a political priority that would be a positive step right now.

I've never advocated for an open borders policy in America, nor do I think deportation should be eliminated. After all, why would we open our borders to other countries' people and capital if they wouldn't do the same for us?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 8:11 AM
Um, beyond what current goals which is to facilitate legitimate trade and travel, free movement of people IS open borders.

Who do you suggest we deport if there is "free movement of people?" You're pro amnesty, that much we know.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 27, 18 12:39 PM
I'm not saying that free movement of people and capital should be the law right now in America. In fact, I'm asserting the opposite: It should not be the law.
Jun 27, 18 1:34 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
As to your point on "amnesty," yes. If you arrived as a child and are deserving, you should have a path to citizenship. I thought we agreed on that, actually.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 1:34 PM
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"...right now..."

By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 28, 18 7:55 AM
Right, because it wouldn't be to our benefit.

In a potential future, where the free movement of people and capital is be mutually beneficial, why wouldn't we do it?

Of course, the other potential future is one where nations never come together and humanity runs its course without ever going further than out galactic stoop.

You can work toward whatever future you want to work toward, but "The United States of the Earth" has a good ring to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 8:25 AM
Well, it would appear ME was spot on in his assessment. It's moments like this that provide an alarming look into Democrat true intentions.

To my earlier question, who do you suggest we allow and not allow into this new country of yours - you know - the one that is replacing the country you supposedly love? Wait, it's "free movement"... is the answer, anyone and everyone?

By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 28, 18 2:25 PM
His assessment is still wrong because nobody is proposing or expressing support for open borders.

As for what country being welcomed into the union today would generate mutual benefit, how about Puerto Rico?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 3:32 PM
Ok, Mr. World Citizen, while you continue to avoid the details of who we allow and don't allow into the New World Order, you are in fact expressing support for open borders....pssst....just not "right now."

Until our next conquest and the gift of the territory as the spoils, I'll watch in amusement the protests calling for the end to deportations and ICE and "no borders" and "no nations" which ring interestingly similar to what you are promoting, just not "right now."
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 29, 18 12:03 PM
False. I am in favor of borders. I would like to work toward a world where I am not opposed to open orders, just like I'd like to work toward a world with no abortions, alas that's not the world we live in and it just so happens a world with borders (and legal abortions) is the way I think we get there.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 12:18 PM
What a bunch of BS double talk.

I think that BS fits your argument at this particular moment to incrementally work toward flat out open border policy. Damn Democrats.




By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 29, 18 3:21 PM
Your belief doesn't change the fact that nobody is proposing or expressing support for open borders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 3:29 PM
HAHAHAHA...that "nobody" is laughable in the face of protests to eliminate ICE and NO deportations.

BS!
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jul 1, 18 10:39 PM
Sorry, restructuring a division of a fifteen year-old department is not proposing or expressing support for open borders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 2, 18 7:20 AM
Then who do you propose investigates and enforces the border violations after said "restructuring?"

You're fooling no one other than yourself.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jul 8, 18 2:53 PM
ICE is only 15 years old, do you think enforcement didn't exist before then?

I'm not proposing anything other than the idea that "abolish ICE" is not an open borders proposal, it's a reimagining of immigration enforcement.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 8, 18 3:40 PM
14, and an MS 13 member.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 11:07 PM
Thanks for for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 11:38 PM
Moron, I don’t know where to begin.the Republican Party is the party that wants voter suppression and gerrymandering. These two things alone refutes half your argument. I don’t know one person in the government who calls for open borders, you are just making it up. As to the disenfranchisement of voters, ask Chris Kobach how that’s working out. For once it would be nice if you got your facts straight, or even semi true. As your name implies, it’s a miracle your still here.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 11:56 AM
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That regurgitation of twisted talking points could not be more incorrect. It is Republicans who hold dearly EVERY voter who LEGALLY qualifies to cast a ballot through safeguards such as photo ID. The Left has set itself on a mission to create new voting pools to include illegals. Recent court cases further demonstrate Democrats are fully engaged in gerrymandering - see Maryland.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 27, 18 8:04 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

" It is Republicans who hold dearly EVERY voter who LEGALLY qualifies to cast a ballot through safeguards such as photo ID."
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Casuistry.


The Republicans cynically employ photo voter ID laws to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of LEGAL (but likely Democratic) voters. Both parties try to MANIPULATE voters' preferences by gerrymandering but only the unconscionable Republicans have deliberately EXTIRPATED their ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Jul 8, 18 10:32 PM
Po Boy's view is that there's no other possible explanation, moral, emotional, rational or otherwise, for any American to support undocumented immigrants, other than self-interest.

That's the second-most American thing I've ever heard.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 9, 18 8:11 AM
Wrong hat, the Republicans employ photo ID laws to ensure the integrity of each vote. Wouldn't it be nice if we also cross referenced it to immigration status. You have a problem with that?

Fore, don' tell me what my view is (or what I said), you're always wrong.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 11:05 PM
Except for the time when you insisted that I quote your complete comment but I already had.
Jul 30, 18 11:38 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Just keep insisting Mr. Bamberger's apology wasn't an apology, you almost have me convinced!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 11:38 PM
SERIOUSLY !!! STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND USING RESOURCES THAT LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS PAY INTO.!!

Illegal Immigrants DON'T belong here!! go through the proper channels the way my Grandparents did !!! SPEAK THE LANGUAGE WHEN YOU STEP FOOT IN OUR COUNTRY!!

PAY TAXES!!

Then no one will have an issue.... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
By mychildmatters (67), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 26, 18 12:02 PM
You should do some research. Undocumented immigrants pay over 10 billion dollars a year in taxes that go to funding social security and public schools.
By rv (35), watermill on Jun 26, 18 12:16 PM
please PROVE that assertion, thanks. Since they don't pay income taxes and don't have legitimate social security numbers they are not contributing to the Fed. Our schools are funded in large part by property taxes , since most illegals here have more than one family living in a single family home the number of kids attending school is way more than the property taxes cover. Please correct me ifI'm incorrect.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 27, 18 5:50 AM
If you file taxes with a fraudulent social security number, does that mean you aren't paying payroll taxes or does it mean you're paying into an account that doesn't belong to you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 6:29 AM
It means you have committed IDENTITY THEFT for starters. That's a prosecutable offense conveniently ignored by the pro illegal folks. Most illegals are working for cash.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 27, 18 6:36 AM
OOOH, so the people using illegitimate social security numbers ARE contributing to the Fed? Unlike you alleged above?

Thanks for answering my question.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 7:31 AM
Sure they are paying in if they are on the books using a stolen social security number. But studies have shown illegals receive billions more from the IRS than they pay in - a six-year net benefit amounting to about $7.3 billion according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration.
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 27, 18 8:09 AM
I can't speak to that, though I'd love to read further if you have any suggestions. I was just calling out Bigfresh for lying about whether people contribute to the Fed when they provide employers with illegitimate social security numbers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 8:20 AM
Are you talking to me? How would you know where my bill money comes from?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 10:18 AM
Do your homework, please, before shouting at us. From Forbes magazine: “In fact, America's undocumented immigrants likely pay more in taxes than Donald Trump. According to a report from The Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy (ITEP), they pay a hefty amount of state and local tax, just like other people living in the United States. Collectively, America's undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year with at least 50 percent of undocumented ...more
By ValGal03 (58), Montauk on Jun 28, 18 2:02 PM
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I did do my homework both in undergraduate/graduate level statistic coursework and disagree entirely with your claims about taxes paid. ITEP utilizes mostly “assumptions” rather than fact based statistics which are listed in their indices in arriving at the figure of $11.73 billion. Any sophomore level statistic major and/or someone with half-a-brain could easily invalidate ITEP’s claim based on the assumptions used. People do believe what they read though. Assumptions ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 4, 18 10:40 AM
Facts and statistics mean nothing.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 12:49 PM
$7.3 billion means nothing?
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jun 27, 18 8:10 AM
Well----here come the regular contributors and their negativity and hate. Another day, same old, same old!
By Mrs.Sea (267), Sag Harbor on Jun 26, 18 1:31 PM
Celebrate Independence day in the Village of Southampton. They have an awesome parade every year and the Vietnam Vets and other vets will be marching. Thank a vet and make their day extra special.
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Jun 26, 18 1:34 PM
God Bless our Country and our Military who have died and still fight to defend Americans. !!
By mychildmatters (67), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 26, 18 2:44 PM
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LEGAL IMMIGRATION is what makes our country second to none, uncontrolled ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION puts us on the fast track to third world status.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 26, 18 4:59 PM
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Yes because they're treated so poorly here in the Hamptons. Do you people hear yourself or what
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jun 26, 18 8:38 PM
Who funds ola?
By Win sky (46), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 9:38 AM
George Soros.
By auntof9 (143), Southampton on Jun 29, 18 12:34 AM
Who pays for the free medical, hospital, food stamps??? How many millions that is being sent to their homes every day???
By knitter (1718), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 1:28 PM
Federal tax payers.
By auntof9 (143), Southampton on Jun 29, 18 12:35 AM
Hey knitter , illegals do not receive food stamps.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 5:55 PM
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They sure do when they use a fraudulent social security no.
By auntof9 (143), Southampton on Jun 29, 18 12:37 AM
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For the most part they work off the books , or steal an identity and allegedly pay into the income taxes , use the ER as their primary care physicians, force the taxpayers to fund ESL (English as a second language) classes and are a general drain on society.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 27, 18 6:11 PM
No allegedly. Say it: people who use social security numbers fraudulently to work on the books pay payroll taxes just like citizens.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 6:19 PM
The title of this article is fake news!! The issue is ILLEGAL immigration, not LEGAL immigration.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 27, 18 6:18 PM
If you want to change the laws governing legal immigration (the Goodlatte Bill), you have a problem with legal immigration too.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 6:27 PM
Fore, they just make stuff up. Real or not.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 6:39 PM
I think they say or repeat things before they even think about them. For example, Bigfresh is probably asking himself right now for the first time: "if I support the Goodlatte Bill and Trump's priority of changing the legal immigration system, do I have an issue with legal immigration?"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 27, 18 6:48 PM
The basic rule for most posters here is:

“Type first, think later!”

Simple . . .

By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 6:57 PM
If saying alluding to the visa lottery and chain migration being stopped is not good policy then we disagree.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 28, 18 6:55 AM
Exactly: it's not just about illegal immigration, you want to change legal immigration too.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 7:17 AM
the visa lottery is suicidal for the USA, chain migration leads to way too many un educated, un skilled leeches .
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 28, 18 4:16 PM
So you DO have a problem with legal immigration, thanks for correcting yourself.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 4:49 PM
SANE legal immigration is great, letting anyone who wants to come here just because they want to or letting them stay if they are here illegally is insane.
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 29, 18 5:25 PM
And that's a perfectly valid position. It's just inaccurate to say you just have a problem with illegal immigration.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 5:34 PM
They only follow trumps talking points. Step back herd of lemmings coming.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 28, 18 7:23 AM
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When African Americans vote democrat they are voting for illegal immigrants to steal their jobs.
By even flow (833), East Hampton on Jun 28, 18 7:34 AM
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Wow even flow, just when I thought you couldn’t be any more out of touch with reality, you post something lamer then your last post. So let me get this straight, before an election all black people get together and decide who to vote for? Just for laughs, suppose you have a black doctor, or black lawyer or black scientist, an illegal immigrant will steal their job? Your a genius even flow, a genius. Keep up the good fight.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 28, 18 8:07 AM
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"You're" (sic) right, I am. Meanwhile, surely you're concerned and even angry about this coming together of "church" & "state", right!?
By even flow (833), East Hampton on Jun 28, 18 10:48 AM
Excuse my spelling and grammar even flow. Not sure what you referring to. But I know our country is founded on the concept of separation of church and state.Im not angry, perhaps if you want a church run country, you have the option of leaving and finding one.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 28, 18 11:13 AM
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Hey even flow, one more question. Isn’t that what isis wanted in the Middle East?
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 28, 18 11:31 AM
I don’t want my social security number used fraudulently so that an illegal alien can pay taxes to the US government.
By pigroast (100), East Quogue on Jun 28, 18 7:59 PM
Hey pigroast, do you know anyone that does?
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 28, 18 9:57 PM
foreign: why is it beneficial to the US economy to allow illegal to enter the country ? How does this aid us in any way at all? Having a subculture working for cash , driving down wages, bankrupting our hospitals and flooding our schools with kids needing extra help because they don't speak our language helps us how?
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 29, 18 5:32 PM
I don't think I ever said it was.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 5:56 PM
OK, then how can you be in favor of illegal immigration?
By bigfresh (4366), north sea on Jun 30, 18 7:28 AM
Like ALL illegal immigration? I don't think I ever said that either.

Be specific, BF. Why do I think people who arrived as kids and grew up in the U.S. deserve to stay? Because to kick them out would be unfair.

Why do I think someone should be able to enter illegally yesterday and stay forever? I don't, unless they have a valid claim of asylum.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 7:44 AM
Hey bigfresh, how come right wingers refer to Barack Obama as Hussein Obama all the time. I’ve always wondered why, you said it in one of your posts, just curious.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 30, 18 7:40 AM
Because they think it makes him sound less American, I'd wager.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 7:41 AM
Um, that’s actually his middle name. Lol

But you keep telling us how he isn’t Muslim.
By even flow (833), East Hampton on Jun 30, 18 7:44 AM
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Is Obama a muslim, even flow?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 7:48 AM
So no answer. Just as I figured.i wish you guys would just explain the whole thing, in your own words.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jun 30, 18 7:58 AM
How many more people must die before democrats stop the irresponsibly violent rhetoric?
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jun 30, 18 8:48 AM
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What violent rhetoric, slimy?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 8:56 AM
Oooh, so when you talk about violent rhetoric you're talking about the death threats she received?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 1, 18 10:16 AM
So you think she literally meant "push"? I took it differently, as in push back on the administration's policies, but you're welcome to interpret as you see fit.

Also, wasn't your previous comment ("you better shoot straight") about violent threats aimed at the congresswoman?

I agree with you: those threats should stop.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 2, 18 12:12 PM
I wonder if anyone has ever debated the ethics of, or has even heard of, El Programa Frontera Sur?

The Obama administration was largely responsible for the implementation of what in essence was a -zero-tolerance immigration policy on July 7, 2014 known as the “El Programa Frontera Sur” aimed at alleviating the repercussions of DACA’s effect on mass immigration of unaccompanied children across the US-Mexico border, with upwards 39,000 children being placed in detention ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 1, 18 8:44 AM
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In what way is this kind of regional cooperation not beneficial?

How is it not preferable for people to get turned around before they reach the border?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 1, 18 10:22 AM
It is beneficial and it is preferable.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 1, 18 10:33 AM
looks like this was a pretty nice event.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (683), southampton on Jul 1, 18 10:42 AM
SDG, it was implemented by the Mexican govt. it slowed the flow across Mexicos northern border.im not sure what your saying in your post. Is it another , everything is Obama’s fault?
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 1, 18 11:24 AM
Fred, So you’re saying it was implemented by Mexico? More accurately, it was implemented by Mexico under the auspices of the Obama administration in order to skirt controversial legislative/democratic processes and/or public scrutiny. The objective was to remain both silent and invisible, with Mexico being the puppet host or piñata about to take a stick. The program was largely drafted and funded by the US. The DOD and DOS spent $89 million setting up the biometric data sharing with ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 6:30 PM
Are you saying Mexico is guilty of separating families as well?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 2, 18 7:23 PM
No, I'm not.

According to Article 109 of Mexico’s “Ley de Migración”, minors who are accompanied can be detained alongside their parents in detention centres in order to “preserve the family unit”.

Family separation protections appliy when members of the family unit have been apprehended and detained for illegal entry.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 8:49 PM
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@SDG1776

Your opinion that this program was set up in order to avoid "legislative/democratic processes and/or public scrutiny" is unfounded. As you note, its intent was to enable Mexican authorities to intercept illegal Central American immigrants in Mexico before they crossed that country and arrived at the US border. (Mexican nationals themselves now make up less than 50% of the total number of annual illegal immigrant crossings from Mexico.) The concept is efficient and purposeful ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Jul 2, 18 9:03 PM
If the same result being criticized today was not happening at the time, then there is no double standard and I reject your accusation of hypocrisy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 3, 18 7:29 AM
Thank you for calling me out on that one Fore1. I retract my accusation of hypocrisy based on there being no double standard with regards to separation of the family unit, however, all other things being equal.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 8:26 AM
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I acknowledge your point that it's one way to avoid accountability, just like Apple subcontracts assembly of its products to avoid blame for the employees' working conditions.

If such conditions were the case here, the previous administration would be equally responsible for those outcomes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 3, 18 9:26 AM
Do the kids not like the movies their being shown?
By Po Boy (4251), Water Mill on Jul 1, 18 10:40 PM
Grow up Po Boy
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 5:10 AM
Mexico employs a zero tolerance system against Americans coming into their nation.

Remember that solder that took a wrong turn and ended up tossed into prison?
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 11:49 AM
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Hug a ICE agent. Happy 4TH...
By knitter (1718), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 1:52 PM
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Hey slime, it was a good ending. You kinda forgot the fact he had 3 loaded guns with him. If a Mexican had crossed the border with 3 loaded guns , do you think the same thing would have happened? Knitter , just so I get it straight, we don’t like the FBI and DOJ, but like ICE? Just trying to keep your talking points straight.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 3:34 PM
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Knitter a few more things. If I’m watching the parade and some POWS are in the parade , should I clap for them or not? You know the whole thing our president has about POWS. What about gold star families? Only if they are white? Or no clapping if the parents are Muslim? Clarify these please, we don’t want to get trump mad.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 2, 18 3:53 PM
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

Foreigners may be barred from the country if their ...more
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 7:35 AM
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Slime, most of the articles from Mexico’s General Law of Population which you posted have since been discarded and reformed in 2011 to align more closely with US immigration laws and policy. Illegal entry has since been decriminalized.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 12:07 PM
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Wow slime, you cut and paste like a pro.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 9:09 AM
What’s the point of your post? Were you trying to move to Mexico and got turned down?
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 9:28 AM
You don't know the point....... are you serious ????
By Sturgis (569), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 12:48 PM
That México has different rules and regulations then the USA? That’s startling?
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 2:17 PM
Yea Fred s that's it.....smh with a bit of eye roll......
By Sturgis (569), Southampton on Jul 5, 18 9:16 AM
SDG, I post from my cell phone. I can’t insert my reply’s directly under the posts I’m answering. Thank you for a thoughtful reply. I did read several articles about what you posted. I didn’t get the same impression as to what you said about el programa. It seemed more like 2 countries working towards a common goal. Thank you for your civility.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 4:28 PM
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Hey Fred, I have a suggestion. After you go to 27east(dot)com and get rerouted to the mobile site, try to type 27east(dot)com and go to it a second time.

This second time, you shouldn't get rerouted to the mobile site.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 3, 18 4:35 PM
I’ll give it a whirl fore, I’m pretty much a cave man with anything computer wise. Thanks for the tip.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 4:48 PM
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I hate the mobile site and use this workaround on my phone, but it might be android-specific.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 3, 18 4:52 PM
Or you could just click the link at the bottom of the page that says "Main Site."
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (114), Westhampton Beach on Jul 3, 18 5:19 PM
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By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jul 5, 18 8:30 AM
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Did anyone order hateful rhetoric?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6633), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 5, 18 10:43 AM
Thanks bill. I think I’ve played in a few card games with , many moons ago.
By Fred s (2568), Southampton on Jul 3, 18 5:48 PM
That's entirely possible. ;)
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (114), Westhampton Beach on Jul 3, 18 5:52 PM