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Apr 19, 2013 7:04 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Sag Harbor Adopts $8.78 Million Budget, Lays Off Police Officer Of The Year

Apr 24, 2013 2:23 PM

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Absolute BS. Costing a guy a job when the effect on the taxpayers would be like $20 a year at most. "Officer of te Year" and they can't find a way to save him. I am so sick of all these greedy East End officials who upend families and lives to save nickels. I watch many of these people driving around in expensive cars and drinking $14 martinis while they cry fiscal prudence when they ax jobs and hurt lives. Look at the numbers in the article---w live in a low real estate tax area. Gutless.
By earl (31), springs on Apr 19, 13 9:42 AM
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I believe the cost is more like $300k.
By East End 2 (151), Southampton on Apr 19, 13 10:47 PM
He gave out the most tickets and that is officer of the year? lol Maybe Fabiano made him officer of the year because he was the newest guy in to save his department. How about helping the taxpayers not yourself?
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 19, 13 10:05 AM
Once again Chief, just read the headlines, no need to read the whole story. We know your attention span is short.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 19, 13 2:55 PM
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Read the article...
By SH-Man (2), Southampton on Apr 23, 13 10:51 AM
Made most DWI arrests. Not just "giving out tickets." Not just hiding in bushes catching speeders. DWI arrests. And, by if you extrapolate that point, probably offsets a lot of his salary with the revenue created. I hope the taxpayers enjoy the $20 saved by him losing his job. Shameful
By earl (31), springs on Apr 19, 13 10:17 AM
Repeat. $300k. Ridiculous.
By East End 2 (151), Southampton on Apr 19, 13 10:48 PM
This is absolute political nonsense. Officer David Driscoll is a fine and dedicated officer and this is going to result in a great loss not only for the Sag Harbor PD but the community. Officer Driscoll has dedicated much of his police career to the apprehension of drunk drivers, and was honored by Suffolk County STOP DWI as well as MADD on several occasions. This is not going to solve any problem but only create more, the department is running on dangerously low staff as it is, this WILL drive ...more
By BlueStreak (34), East End on Apr 19, 13 2:00 PM
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Perhaps the officer can go back to Southampton ... are they hiring?
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Apr 19, 13 2:01 PM
Those officers who win the annual "Most DWI Busts" award have shown themselves to be amoral. Losing the "winner" in Sag Harbor is no loss to the community.

Most officers recoil from arresting innocent citizens for drunk driving and humiliating them with handcuffing and incarceration simply because they score an .08 on a breathalyzer. They know that most of those so arrested are perfectly harmless and that drunk driving accidents are caused by truly degenerate offenders who have much more ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 19, 13 4:44 PM
Do realize the nonsense you spew is absolutely ridiculous, you actually believe what you say? It is very obvious you have a chip on your shoulder with police and authority.The police are here to protect us from danger, amongst other duties, and yes a .08 driver is dangerous and needs to be taken off the road.I am starting to think you were one of those .08 DWI arrests.
By BlueStreak (34), East End on Apr 19, 13 5:19 PM
See, there you go Hat. Spewing garbage that you know nothing about. A driver who is a .08 honestly believes he/she is OK to operate a motor vehicle. That their motor skills are less sharp than they should be is of no concern to you, is it? You want the drunk that is puking and driving at 14 MPH on the Sunrise. Those guys certainly cause accidents as we have witnessed too many times. But it is the .07, .08, .09 that causes many more. While you may think it is OK to go through the day with a slight ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 19, 13 6:05 PM
just like your wife linda Kobat was arrested for DWI and "humiliated"
By semperfi9263 (23), quogue on Apr 29, 13 11:19 PM
to BlueStreak and But I'm a blank!:

All of your assertions are erroneous (particularly YOURS, But I'm a blank!, wherein you claim that many more accidents are caused by people with .07 to .09 percent alcohol as opposed to those with higher limits.)

I would link you to the direct refutation of your claims but the mad censors of the Press forbid it. However, I invite you to google, "motorists & dui & myths", which should take you to the page of an organization of motorists that ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 19, 13 7:54 PM
Oh I see... you read it on the internet.......are you a French model as well?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 13 2:56 PM
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Good one. His avatar actually resembles that model in the commercial.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 22, 13 7:20 AM
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Hey, is that Hitler as your profile photo?
By SH-Man (2), Southampton on Apr 23, 13 10:53 AM
East end 2... What I meant was they probably saved like $20 per tax paying household
By earl (31), springs on Apr 20, 13 7:51 AM
Don't listen to Blank he is a biased cop. Why is it we have patrolman making what an FBI agent makes? Why is it you can retire after 20 years of service as a cop and collect immediately, and as an FBI agent you collect at 62? No one's saying most cops don't do a good job, but for decades politicians negotiated deals good for cops not for citizens. Don't give me the BS of the dangerous police officer job on the east end. I can't even remember the last time I even heard of one shoot their weapon.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 20, 13 10:55 AM
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Just for once, try to stay on topic here Chief. First off, I am not a cop.
How does FBI salaries tie into this story?

Are you now in Hat's camp of permitting DWI in order to stop the "Gestapo like Tactics" of SHTPD?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 20, 13 2:21 PM
How is my post off topic? The point of my post was that these guys are over paid for what they do. That is why they are over the salary cap. We don't need to over pay cops around here, because there are thousands on the waiting list who will take far less. We can thank Fred Thiele, and all the other ex local officials who thought that it is ok to over pay municipal employees. The FBI comparison has everything to do with this story. The Sag Harbor PD isn't even in the same class as FBI agents when ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 21, 13 10:11 AM
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Well said IMO.

blank!, you do seem to have blinders at times about the weak links in a chain when it comes to PD issues. You may not be a cop at present, as you assert above, but you appear to have a bias IMO.

It might be helpful if you could explain the nature of your relationship to the LEO world (spouse, partner, relative, etc.). (BTW you opened this door.)
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 21, 13 10:27 AM
I didn't open any doors. Chief claimed that I am a cop. I am not. Though I do have family "up west" who work as "LEOs"
And yes, I am biased in their favor.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 21, 13 2:55 PM
Thanks for the reply. Enjoy this great day.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 21, 13 3:38 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

"Gestapo like Tactics"? I have never used such a disparaging description for STPD procedure. To which behaviors of theirs, specifically, are you referring?

Furthermore, while chief1 may have strayed from the topic, at least he did not willfully misrepresent the opinion of another commentator. I APPROVE of arresting those engaging in DWI. What I DISapprove of is the arresting of harmless motorists who manifest NO behavior (i.e. negligent, uncoordinated and ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 20, 13 9:05 PM
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Will be interesting to see how the contract negotiations work out; as well as the Town PD new contract being negotiated now. Raises across the board, or reductions to save jobs?
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Apr 21, 13 6:18 AM
Speaking more generally about salary reductions, public employees (and unions) in most municipalities should seriously consider that agreeing to less pay may, in the long run, be preferable to NO PAY after municipal bankruptcy.

There is a potential tidal wave of bankruptcies building IMO, and unions which do not see it coming will all but guaranty that their members will drown.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on Apr 21, 13 7:32 AM
Here's some red meat for you Hat:
The number of FBI/ATF Agents that do the tasks you describe are minimal. Here's an off-topic for you to chew on: Ruby Ridge and the Compound at Waco, Tx.
Now find me an FBI agent that has walked into a house where Bubba just cleaned his wife's clock cause diner was late. Or your DWI friend that just can't be arrested and responds like a caged animal. Or the despondent senior who takes his life on Christmas Eve. It would serve no purpose to continue citing ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 22, 13 1:24 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

Making insubstantial rejoinders only illustrates the bankruptcy of your position.

My data does, indeed, come from the internet generally but from The National Motorists Association, specifically, which has a wealth of information about the hijacking of the anti-drunk-driving movement by self-interested demagogues and public "servants" and its metamorphosis into a giant bureaucracy with the sole purpose of imposing ever lower BAC levels on the driving public ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 21, 13 4:21 PM
I guess he doesn't know that commercial license holders who once were "in the wrong" at .1% years ago, are now arrestable at .04%. That is the equivalent of two beers in an hour, so the story goes.

You can thank special interests, pols looking for votes (and donations to their coffers), and the self righteous zealot tee-totalers for the lower, and lower limits. Just wait, in less than ten years you'll find the pols pandering for money and votes, and it will go to "zero tolerance". Then ...more
By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on Apr 24, 13 7:36 PM
I find it unbelievable that no one has called out Trustee Kevin Duchemin for his contribution to the unanimous vote. For a guy that runs around politicking and claiming to represent the best interest of many police members and their families, his vote seems very contradictory. What's in it for Duchemin? FYI, Duchemin is also an East Hampton Village Police Sgt., the East Hampton Village Police PBA president and the Suffolk County Police Conference First Vice President, as well as the liaison on ...more
By Sagharbor4you (2), Sag Harbor on Apr 21, 13 11:04 PM
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Wow a trustee keeping his promise and protecting the taxpayer. The guy has a lot of guts just what we need to keep taxes low. He should be an example of how to do the right thing. Sag Harbor 4 you you are way out of touch.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Apr 22, 13 11:29 AM
Out of touch? Maybe a little, but the fact is that Duchemin is telling his law enforcement friends, that he made a mistake and did not know what he voted for, which does not make him a trustee keeping his promise or having guts, it makes him a weasel. How can you be a police union delegate and vote on police matters as a politician anyway? We know that you think cops are over paid and I get that, but this smoke screen of cutting jobs to lower taxes is dangerous in the police business for cops and ...more
By Sagharbor4you (2), Sag Harbor on Apr 22, 13 5:41 PM
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Perhaps Officer Driscoll is assured a place in East Hampton ...
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Apr 23, 13 10:24 AM
Duchemin is a disgrace to the uniform, in more ways than one, voting to fire a guy who he is in many ways sworn to represent as the SCPc Vice President, is as low as it gets
By Clarity (65), Whb on Apr 24, 13 8:08 PM
You seem to know a lot about Duchemin. A you a bitter person because you had an incident with him? If you read, if able to, other papers or articles, you will see just how Mr. Gilbride operates. Look in the past months of how Trustee Duchemin's son was done out of a position in the fire dept by Mr Gilbride and his "cronies" within the fire dept looked long and hard through the By Laws of the SHFD to come up with a reason that his son could not become a member of a Volunteer dept within the village. ...more
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 25, 13 6:57 AM
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was this meeting really held at 8am on a Thursday morning ? What municipality does this ? Sounds like it all about negotiations gone wrong . As far as the comment about Duchemin , didn't the board recently deny one of his family members a job or something , I cannot find the article on here . I'm guessing by the articles I did find on here , dating back to last year , he is not the chosen one on the council . Hopefully the officer gets a better job , or maybe the powers to be can strike a deal ...more
By Uhavegottowbejoking (3), Montauk on Apr 22, 13 10:19 AM
what is the crime rate in Sag Harbor Village? How many felonies, murders, rapes have occured in the village in the last 50 years? Part time cops and TCO's seem like a more cost effective way to go. One less bloated pension and benefits to hand out parking tickets and keep the drunks in line. My prediction is no one will know the difference
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Apr 22, 13 3:10 PM
The two really pathetic items in this article are that 1) one officer costs $300K/yr and 2) that because of union rules a good guy has to go before deadwood simply because of seniority. Additionally Chief Fabiano is constantly quoted as "watching out for the jobs of his guys", etc. It appears the chief has forgotten who he works for as well as his job description so perhaps it's time for him to go as well.
By bird (829), Southampton on Apr 22, 13 6:48 PM
Highat you make no sense approving of someone driving while legally intoxicated..
By Sagdays (23), Southampton on Apr 23, 13 8:28 PM
to Sagdays:

On the contrary, what makes no sense is to arrest someone for drunk driving who is "legally intoxicated" but not driving drunk.
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 24, 13 6:40 PM
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.04% "Legally Intoxicated"

By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on Apr 24, 13 7:42 PM
I think high hat got a dwi and thinks he wasn't drunk....
By Clarity (65), Whb on Apr 24, 13 8:07 PM
to Clarity:

Everyone is not like you, as you presume, and motivated only by self-interest.
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 24, 13 10:40 PM
Ok lance, you got me...
By Clarity (65), Whb on Apr 27, 13 9:41 PM
So when is all this BS going to stop? When is the election in Sag Harbor, so we can get a Mayor that doesn't pull fast ones over on everyone, including the village board? People, we all have to get together and do the right thing and replace the Mayor! Once that feat has been accomplished, the village will, Once Again, run smoothly. When did all the problems in Sag Harbor start? That's right, after Gilbride was elected.
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 25, 13 6:41 AM
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Shouldn't there be an education requirement to become or even run for such an office, like the office of, lets say, MAYOR? Maybe someone should look through the rules governing the different branches of local government to see if the "Officials", and I use that term loosely, even have the right to be "sitting" in the office position they are in. One would think, at VERY LEAST, one should have a High School diploma OR Greater education to be responsible for running a local government. Some may wonder ...more
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 25, 13 7:11 PM
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it seems the only requirement to being an elected official around here is to be a lawyer. And since anyone who can read can become a lawyer (witness you can't swing a dead cat in this country without hitting a lawyer), thats not much of a qualification. Any blue collar workers or small business owners out there interested in running for office??
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Apr 25, 13 9:06 PM
That certainly cannot be the case. PAST mayors may have been lawyers but CERTAINLY not the case this time.
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 26, 13 3:48 AM
This decision is disgraceful. In a village that caters to and relies on the summer tourist traffic, I find it extremely ridiculous that the kind of revenue brought in 3 months time cannot fund this officer's salary. In addition, the increase in population and the increase in DUI arrests, parties and general safety needs increases ten-fold in the summer months. We should be capitalizing on the summer revenue and using it to improve safety for all of us all year long. Simply put, you get what ...more
By peacemaker (23), Sag Harbor on Apr 26, 13 6:24 PM
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By Sagharbor4you (2), Sag Harbor on Apr 26, 13 7:10 PM
I Don't know Duchemin on a personal level. Only have seen him in pictures. Evidently you do. His son? A village employee? His son is a cop too?? I've Googled the name and don't see anything referring to another Duchemin on the force?!? Please use grammar/spell check when posting or at least, proof read. Capital letters are used to Stress my point(s). Sorry if it confuses you. Should I double-space as well?
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 26, 13 8:00 PM
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I would love to know what this guys comment originally was. If you would be so kind to recap. Also sagharbor4you could you please let us know your identity. Since you are so quick to bash everyone and are in the know. I would like to at least look at YOU as a person and see what an outstanding citizen you are.
By LocalNotNative (5), Sag harbor on Apr 28, 13 2:04 PM
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while you hide?
By double-D (96), southampton on May 4, 13 11:54 AM
He was trying to bash my education level because of my punctuation and capitalization in the previous post, as he was doing so, he was Mis-spelling words. He was also knocking Duchemin's character for getting his son a EH Village job and mentioned the police academy also?!?! He said that I sounded like I might be a relative of Duchemin and called me "eye of the Hamburger", So we're not dealing with a mature person either.
By Eye of the Harbor (9), Sag Harbor on Apr 28, 13 6:27 PM
Now, POTATOES have eyes- but hamburgers? Well maybe the real cheap ones, but I , for one, don't eat anything that watches me eat it. And thats all I'm gonna say about that.
By CaptainSig (716), Dutch Harbor on Apr 28, 13 7:25 PM
Thanks for the recap. Seems like SagHarbor4you has some sort of grudge. I am shocked to see the amount of trash talk done on these boards - Mud slinging at its finest. I hope that all of those who were name calling and "outraged" show up to the next board meeting to voice their concerns. Something tells me they will continue to be nothing more than bully with a keyboard hiding behind a screen name. Thank you Eye of the Harbor for atleast shedding some light on the REALITY of what has been going ...more
By LocalNotNative (5), Sag harbor on Apr 28, 13 10:45 PM
(High hat size) stop defending drunk drivers just beacuse you wife linda kabot was arrested for DWI and humilated and put in hand cuffs.
By semperfi9263 (23), quogue on Apr 29, 13 11:22 PM
to semperfi9263:

Inevitably, correspondents incompetent to make a principled argument resort to personal accusation. But at least your assertion explains why one of your gormless colleagues addressed me as, "lance", above.

Breathalyzer laws are pernicious. They corrupt cops and degrade innocent citizens. Officer Driscoll's decision to build his career on the backs of these unlucky unfortunates makes his own termination welcome.

(If you wnat to believe that I am Lance ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Apr 30, 13 2:25 AM
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HHS, I don't think that many people see the collateral damage that goes with an alcohol offense these days. The penalties have become so Draconian they are reminiscent of the Rockefeller drug laws.

When it comes to punishment, what is enough? People make mistakes. We're all human. But losing your privilege, or your car is one thing. But your career, a home, even a marriage? What is a sufficient price to be paid? How much in the fiscal category retroactively over the years in lawyer ...more
By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on Apr 30, 13 9:31 PM
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on May 1, 13 12:03 PM
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By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on May 2, 13 1:42 AM
The cops out here don't get nearly enough credit for the work they do on a day to day basis. If the general public were even slightly aware of the crimes and dangers these officers are confronted with, these discussions would look shockingly different.... As for the pity that some of you feel for DWI drivers, the same ones that share the road with you and your loved ones, shame on you! These arrests are made to promote awareness and prevention. If the notion of killing someone isn't enough of a ...more
By Elliver (20), southampton on May 1, 13 11:43 AM
to Ellliver:

No one opposes punishing drunk drivers. We are, however, opposed to degrading innocent motorists who are not drunk. A driver with a BAC of less than .10 is no more impaired than one who has not gotten a good night's sleep.

Our current obsession with extremely low BACs is the result of the MADD organization's need for a raison d'etre. Two decades ago, MADD succeeded in its goal of promoting awareness and prevention of DWI. Drunk driving fatalities declined by over ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on May 1, 13 4:39 PM
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Hat, I've had a word ringing in my head since yesterday, like a tune stuck the same.

By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on May 2, 13 1:48 AM
Faithful Lapdog.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on May 2, 13 9:35 AM
Well, I'm sure you know what is said regarding opinions...
By Mr. Z (11844), North Sea on May 2, 13 7:37 PM
Yep...and thanks to you I have finally met the biggest one of all....well at least in the top two, you can probably guess who your competition is.
By Bayman3142 (249), Southampton on May 2, 13 8:19 PM
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