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Jul 20, 2011 3:07 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Protestors Gather In Front Of Bishop's Southampton Office

Jul 26, 2011 5:41 PM

A flurry of bumblebee-colored “Hands Off My Medicare” signs waved toward passing motorists on Hampton Road in Southampton Village last Wednesday morning, July 20, as part of a statewide “Restore the American Promise” advocacy effort.

About a dozen members of the Long Island Progressive Coalition gathered outside U.S. Representative Tim Bishop’s office to call for the protection of federal safety net programs, such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, in light of the August 2 deadline to raise the national debt ceiling. They said they gathered to thank the congressman for his support of such programs.

“Congressional leaders are threatening to take no action unless radical cuts are made to historic social programs that have provided security and a better life to tens of millions of working American families for many decades,” the group said in a statement.

Seated in a lawn chair, Southampton resident Lucius Ware, who is also president of the eastern Long Island chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he attended Wednesday’s event because the people in the greatest need will suffer the most if such programs are cut.

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SO, Mr. Bishop. Will you be voting in favor of the proposed second "tax holiday" for corporations?

So, they can once again bring money in from offshore on the cheap, promise to create jobs, but just pocket the money as salaries, and bonuses instead?

Why increase taxes on the upper 3%, when you can just cut social programs so that the people most in need can end up on the streets, or worse?

What kind of hubris do you stand by, and defend up there on Capitol Hill?

I ...more
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 20, 11 3:49 PM
There might be some hope for L'il Tim after all.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 20, 11 5:00 PM
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Democracy becomes a vehicle for moral hazard when more than half the population pays no income tax...
By Duckbornandraised (150), Eastport on Jul 20, 11 11:06 PM
I wonder just who so many are accusing when they say "moral hazard when more than half to population pays no income tax..."
I was Southampton village born and raised, worked for a local private company for 36 years, no pension only SS courtsey of results of the Great Depression and Democratic initiatives. At the age of 80 am still able to go to work in a part time job. When I get my pay check they take out Federal with holding, SS and Medicare. So that is taxes is it not? I pay taxes for the ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 24, 11 12:57 PM
Born innocent, taxed to death.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 9:27 PM
Oh well I have been enjoying a world without Winner so much I have forgotten there are still other villains to fight....Long Island Progressive Coalition....lol
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 21, 11 12:52 AM
B F...Have yo seen Barry's job approval numbers this week he is finished.
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 21, 11 12:54 AM
oy vey, hey phil...when you actually communicate in real life do you use your own words or do you simply use a complicated form of ''cut and paste'' speech in which nothing you actually express is a creation of your own brain and thought process. Agreeing with someone else's words or sharing them and standing behind them makes you no different that the little animated gangster type that stood behind the leader yelling ''yeah, you tell him boss, now what do you have to say to that''. in those cartoons, ...more
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 21, 11 6:49 AM
Phil: There is nothing ethical about "compromise" when dealing with a profligrate spending, neo-Marxist president. Stand firm and force Obama and the Demokratz to accept the Republican plan that passed in the House.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 21, 11 7:24 AM
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How convenient that you have forgotten the MESS that Bush left , he bailed out at just the right time ! Where is the Tea Party when you need them ? Taxation without representation - Duh ? I fear that our government may be beyond fixing, so much corruption and so much abuse of power and entitlements ...
By Bill in Riverhead (190), Riverhead on Jul 21, 11 10:16 AM
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bigfresh, do you understand what "hubris" is?

Or, do you not see it, as it stares this country in the face?

From the gov't, on down to Wall St., if they really are two separate entities anymore, less than 3% of our society has deemed they know what's best for everyone, but really only take care of themselves, and their ilk in the long run. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Bread, and circuses...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 21, 11 3:33 PM
Bill, they have not forgotten the mess left by Bush, they just prefer to blame Obama. The biggest difference between democrats and republicans? Dems challenge their leaders to do better, while republicans encourage theirs to do worse.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jul 23, 11 7:24 PM
Dats right boo on point as always
By local 84 (300), riverhead on Jul 26, 11 8:27 PM
When your credit card, mortgage and other payments rise dramatically because the full faith and credit of the United States has been thrown in the garbage can by Teabaggers who'd rather see default than any act of compromise -- be sure to write the Teabaggers a note of thanks for paying more for everything because Wall Street lowers the US creditworthiness ...
By JimmyKBond (151), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 11 8:19 AM
Timmy is so full of hot air. Its easy for him to criticize other peoples plan considering he hasn't presented one himself and babbling on his website is not an actual plan
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Jul 21, 11 9:32 AM
Term limits and a balanced budget amendment would go a long way to addressing many of our nation's problems.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jul 21, 11 11:32 AM
Not sure what our comment has to do with the issue of exploding debt and the desire to stop it Z man. CUT, CAP AND BALANCE what's wrong wit that plan? Since the Demokratz don't have anything to offer except more debt and the ever expanding federal government , with all the social give away programs contained therein, they have lost any semblance of credibility they once had.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 21, 11 3:43 PM
I have no great love for Newt Gingrich, but I will say that Congress at that time knew how to rein in spending under Clinton. Maybe they could take a few lessons from history these days. With Republicans not wanting to increase taxes on the upper 3%, or on corporations posting record profits (hiding even more "offshore"), or receiving billions in tax credits (and not creating jobs), we are headed nowhere fast. Most likely to 10% unemployment. We are at 9.2% as of today. You can't simply cut ...more
Jul 21, 11 4:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
Maybe it's not the worst recidvism has to offer, but, it ain't pretty either. Is it?
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 21, 11 4:29 PM
"What if the country is ruined, it's women ravaged, it's homes desolated, it's altars violated, and freedom forever perish.

What matters all, so that the Almighty Dollar may be amassed in piles.

What care men of the present day, whether their country sinks, so property may be secured. And the price at which Liberty is bought, rests as light as possible on their "patriotic" shoulders.

Pile up wealth!

No matter whether bread be drawn from the mouth of the soldier's ...more
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 21, 11 6:21 PM
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Z man, I thank God every day for the opportunities afforded myself and truly appreciate them. That being said, in regard to our government spending us into oblivion, they need to live withi their means. The amount of confiscated wealth is enough to take care of business, if waste is cut. That's what should be happening in DC right now.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 22, 11 7:02 AM
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ALL OF THEM, have spent us into oblivion, regardless of party.

Knock off the territorial pissings, and maybe we could acconmplsh something.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 9:28 PM
Sarah Seeney |18 hours, 37 minutes

Americans don't have the fighting spirit of Icelandic people .... Our only problem we have in America needs to recognize and identify the fact that we have the highest level of treasonous acts of these judges and all the case law, statutes, codes, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions ...Who has let the Fed who lent out MORE than our ENTIRE NATIONAL GDP WORTH…to private bankers, foreigners and assorted crooks. They also took our homes by bad loans and ...more
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 10:32 PM
If Tim if for it, its bad for the country. Period.
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 22, 11 7:17 AM
When have the Demokratz ever done anything responsible when it comes to the fiscal health of this nation , Phil? Pay for "their" programs??!!
1-The programs are not "theirs", they have been inflicted on all of us>
2- "they" don't pay for a damn thing, we the taxpayers do!
Time to turn off MSNBC, stop reading the Huffington Post, get outside and talk to some folks who work for a living, it will be truly enlightening. Even better, get a job yourself, once you start paying taxes your ...more
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 22, 11 4:26 PM
Bill Clinton raised taxes, created 20 million jobs and left Bush with a surplus which he summarily squandered. Time to stop rewriting history and have an honest debate about the truth.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jul 22, 11 5:35 PM
I have claimed "zero", every day of my working life.

I learn to live on less, and have a meager escrow every April, or so.

Yeah, I can stand here, and tell them what to do.

What say you? (pl.)
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 23, 11 12:34 AM
had a little to much to drink tonight did not mean to give thubz up to capn america
By local 84 (300), riverhead on Jul 23, 11 2:56 AM
hellll no juz got dat fat finga lolll
By local 84 (300), riverhead on Jul 23, 11 2:57 AM
local 84, progress now and phillysathome got us here. and local 84 is going to help us get outta here because he is wakin' people up yo! i be drunk now! and it's only 7:!0 in the morning yawnin'!
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 23, 11 7:10 AM
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1517), southampton on Jul 23, 11 10:09 AM
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That's a racist thing to do, bringing up Barry Soherto's own words like that. Thanks for showing us the Emperor has no clothes. How can a community organizer who never held a real job be expected to know anything about economics?
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 23, 11 6:13 PM
OK.

You ran a small business, which fed off the excess 40 trillion dollars that never should have existed in the firstplace. The same money, that fed overdevelopment, raised the bar, and evaporated overnight.

YOU WOULD HAVE FAR LESS, WITHOUT THE DEREGULATION. In fact, without the GLBA, your business may have actually failed, because the capital to furnish it, would never have existed.

How's that, for ECONOMICS?

Jul 25, 11 9:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. In case you missed it, that was the same Monopoly money that blew the economy to smithereens...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 9:22 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:

"the fact that every time a republican has been president (other than once) in the last ...more 40 plus years there has been a democrat majority in Congress."

Both Reagan and Bush II had majorities in one or both houses of Congress during most of their presidential terms. (Wikipedia. [I'd post the link but I can never tell which links the Press censors.])

to bigfresh:

Soherto? Did you mean "Soetoro"?

This is just sloppy. ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 24, 11 11:57 AM
Big Fresh? Captn America? Hiding behind respected names and calling cheap shots at any one who proposes or points out the fallacy of their republican rant.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 24, 11 1:37 PM
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ok, how about this, you're hiding behind our favorite time of the year..hahahaha, and i am going to make some tired old stereotypical, ''we are all good/they are all bad'' type of argument that you have been programmed into spouting to whomever is within earshot. and you have just just grin and bear it. just like when the shady attorney from chi-town as elected and all of a sudden there was some sort of attempt to shun unsavory personal attacks against the thug in so-called chief. get over yourself.
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 24, 11 3:49 PM
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By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 24, 11 4:08 PM
Let's check the FACTS here Phil. The Republicans have put forward 3 plans to deal with the debt limit fiasco. Obama, peace be upon Him, has put forth NONE! He is the President, the LEADER of our nation, why doesn't he lead??!! He should have a plan out there by now, don't you think? Where's the Demokrat budget? It's 2 years overdue.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 25, 11 6:30 AM
Obama wants to tax the people who can afford it, to produce revenue.

Those who take, FAR more than they give to the society, which grants them the blanket of freedom, and opportunity to live so ostentatiously.

MOST, without ever having fired a shot to defend it.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 9:33 PM
Alma Mater, Alma Mater, Thomas Jefferson.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 10:33 PM
Your out of your mind little man, get a job and pay your own bills. The country has awoken and this man who came out of nowhere... has been exposed for what he is a socialist wealth re distributing empty suit. Barry averaged a 43% job approval rating for the week of July 18-24, the lowest weekly average of his administration.
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 25, 11 8:23 PM
The only massive redistribtion in the last twenty years, fed 40% of the country's wealth, into 1% of it's hands.

That's not liberation, it's OLIGARCHY.

Wake the **** up.
Jul 25, 11 9:24 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Democracy comes not from the top, but from the bottom." ~ Howard Zinn
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 25, 11 9:24 PM
When I said little man I was talking to Stillathome ( Most likely on gov assistance) not you Z. You are a full blown Kool aid drinker and I almost never agree with anything you say but unlike that mental midget you know I respect your point of view.
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 26, 11 9:43 AM
I respect your point of view also.

But, as the Kool Aid dispenser said, even Ronald Reagan would say:

Free up the wealth.

Just my take...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 1:32 AM
all I know is that for all your bloviating, the disparity between the haves and the have nots has NEVER been wider. For one, I am most elated to hear this. Because it means that despite all their attempts, I am keeping what I earn and giving it out as I see fit. And I am not giving any to Mr. Z, he's lazy.
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 26, 11 7:19 AM
Lazy?

I invite you to spend a summer week with me...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 1:47 AM
in fact, i'm filling up the tub with money and i'm just going to wallow in it today....don't even have to work if i don't want to. ahhhhhh, thank goodness redistribution is failing....now let's see what is in this overflowing fridge of mine...
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 26, 11 7:21 AM
I was just reading the socialist sister rag to the N.Y.T, The LA TIMES and it stated New polls confirm Obama's Democratic base crumbles. and quoted Vermont's far left zealot Sen. Bernie Sanders who said just yesterday:
"I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition."
WOW, and Ill say it again just for Progress now, WOW!
By 27dan (2119), Southampton on Jul 26, 11 9:55 AM
Yes the papers are full of good stuff today I got a Chris Matthews Paul Krugman
tingle up my leg when I read this one .
More than a third of Americans now believe that President Obama’s policies are destroying the economy, and confidence in his ability to create jobs is sharply eroding among his base, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
By They call me (2143), southampton on Jul 26, 11 10:44 AM
to 27dan:

You are overly impressed by transient poll numbers. On May 11 of this year, the headline was, "Obama Approval Rating Reaches Two-Year High."

The crisis caused by the Republican threat to refuse to increase the debt ceiling has two sides, the Republicans who are lead by a bunch of forgettable Munchkins, and the Democrats lead by a memorable President who is a lightening rod for criticism by virtue of his stature. If Gallup put out a poll asking whether Americans approved ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 26, 11 10:51 AM
Yes and most people favor a balanced approach to the deficit. Why should we cut Medicare so that hedge-fund managers can keep low tax rate. When it comes down to it, the right will favor the wealthy at the cost of the middle class and the elderly.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jul 26, 11 10:56 AM
Taxing a few rich hedge fund managers is not going to save Medicare. The program hemorrhages more and more money each year. It NEEDS to be reformed.
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Jul 26, 11 11:16 AM
SHNative, that is precious. It has now been conclusively proven that you can take ALL of the wealth, not the income..but the entire networth of every eeeeeeevil rich person in america and you wouldn't cover Medicare for 1 year. For SHNative to even allude to the fact that she knows what most people favor while he engages in blatant class warfare borne out of a mind polluted from folks with an agenda that could care less about him is quite simply a joke.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jul 26, 11 11:53 AM
Thank you Kaluss and Real Razza, At least some people are paying attention to the numbers and not the rhetoric comeing out of the white house.

Mr Hat I don't think you give the American public enough credit they are wide awake this time around.
By 27dan (2119), Southampton on Jul 26, 11 12:49 PM
SHNative, you are exactly correct. It is, in actuality, those on the right who want to turn this discussion into a class war. The vast majority of Americans feel that that the best way to approach this is with cuts in spending and increased revenues on the rich. For those that feel it is acceptable for a billionaire hedge fund manager to pay a lower percentage in taxes than his secretary, I suggest you get out more and take a look around at the real world. An ever-increasing income gap benefits ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jul 26, 11 2:12 PM
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Progressnow, you are correct. A new Washington Post/ABC news poll out tonight shows that 72% of all Americans believe that we should raise taxes on those making over $250,000 per year as part of a deficit reduction plan and that includes 52% of Republicans.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 26, 11 8:11 PM
Oh look fake razza I mean progressnow chimes in again with the left wing talking points of the week. Like the new word for taxes (Revenues) LOL .you could tax the rich 80% and all it will do is calm your envious emotions and kill jobs. It will do nothing to bring down the 14 trillion $ debt
By They call me (2143), southampton on Jul 26, 11 8:18 PM
datz it DD spread it around and we will spend it instead of hord it. you know it. a job should be a human right and is a right. if you make over 125 a year you sould pay 75 pacent we need revenues not loop holes
By local 84 (300), riverhead on Jul 26, 11 8:32 PM
There is no fake razza, theycallmebagger, there is only me, the left wing speaker of truth, the worst nightmare of you loonies on the right! I hope they take away your medicare! HAH!

They will never believe me, Mary, but I promise to protect your honor from the fascist hordes!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jul 26, 11 10:12 PM
you guys are all hilarious. first of all a bunch of old farts form a group about 2 years ago and all of a sudden the tea party is your worst nightmare! hahahah, literally a bunch of old people that are sick of paying taxes...and they've ruined your life...outstanding! hahaha. secondly, you can think that 72% of anyone wants to do anything if you believe an abc poll ooooooh an abc poll...better formulate an entire argument around it...hahahaha, i'm taking a day off from you folks, dagdavid, local84,progressnow... ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 27, 11 7:35 AM
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By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 27, 11 7:42 AM
ok, you don't talk for the vast amount of americans either. how weird is that!? you do know that there are 300 million people in this country right? the vast amount of americans would be about 200 million people...and right here on july 26th on the pages of 27east you are going to express an opinion that you are sure is held by somewhere between 150 million and 200 million people. and if you can find anyone on this site disparaging a class of human beings becaus of how much money they have or ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jul 26, 11 3:12 PM
There is a difference between "earning", and "taking". 297 million of us (97%) are the majority. The rest, are the "elite", and the select 1% deem themselves separate from the rest of us, like the bankers who claimed they could "regulate themselves".

These are the same 1% who have driven this country into the ground with their greed, arrogance, ego, and ultimately hubris.

I don't know about speaking for eveyone, but I'd bet at least 75% of this country feels betrayed, stepped ...more
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 7:28 PM
How about self reliance? The truly poor and disabled among us should be given a hand up. The rest should fend for themselves. If we stopped pissing away trillions on folks who can take care of themselves our house wouold be more in order than it is.
CUT , CAP AND BALANCE, ANYONE CARE TO DEBATE THAT ON THE FACTS, NOT TALKING POINTS?
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 26, 11 5:44 PM
Bigfresh you should google "judge Judy taxes" on you tube and you will get a good glimpse as to why this country is broke.
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Jul 26, 11 7:51 PM
HAH! Yeah, let's ask Judge Freaking Judy to help us! Every time you guys post you reveal just how out of touch you truly are. Keep on baggin', Lil Razza. Judge Judy! I love it.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jul 26, 11 10:15 PM
bigfresh has a valid point.

As I have said, the Senior living on 17k a year is not the problem.

The lecherous abusers, are.
Jul 27, 11 1:49 AM appended by Mr. Z
i.e., lust for a free ride through life...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 1:49 AM
As a simple matter of fact, this country has a revenue problem.

From Forbes Magazine:

"The 400 richest Americans used to pay 30% of their income on the average to Uncle Sam. Today, they pay 18% on the average, according to Steve Rattner, a Wall Street financier, who just presented these figures on Mornings With Joe,MSNBC.

The main reason for the drop in their tax rate of some 40% is the tax cuts by George Bush in 2003, taking the rate paid on dividends and capital gains ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 26, 11 5:51 PM
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Cant belive you read Forbes dagerdavid, Cool If we would have voted for Steve a few years back we would be in fine shape about now
By Undocumented Democrat (1517), southampton on Jul 26, 11 8:26 PM
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U.S. Treasury Dept.:

"If Congress fails to increase the debt limit, the government would default on its legal obligations – an event unprecedented in American history. This would cause investors here and around the world to doubt, for the first time, whether the United States will meet its commitments. That would precipitate a self-inflicted financial crisis POTENTIALLY MORE SEVERE THAN THE ONE FROM WHICH WE ARE NOW RECOVERING." [Emphasis added]

Arguments about debt reduction ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 26, 11 9:12 PM
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Q: Why did previous generations have such greater degree of public programs?

A: A 75%+ tax rate on the "elite".
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 2:00 AM
you had better go see progress now or summertime because they are pretty sure that the righties are all about class war fare...but looks to me like at 2am you're up angry about the elites...let me tell ya....good sleeping weather last night...and don't give me some sad story about some dopey condition. when you're spreading dopey info, you're fair game.
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 27, 11 7:37 AM
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"Dopey info".

Like, the complete lack of growth in midldle class salaries over the last thirty years, while the "elite" have enjoyed a growth rate of over 500%?

Yeah, that's so dopey, it may incite dissent among the people it has made life exceedingly difficult for. The price of a gallon of gas alone, has SEXTUPLED in less than twenty years. For profit universities leaving students in debt for easily twenty years to get an education.

If "trickle down" economics works ...more
Jul 27, 11 6:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, actually, I had spent an evening socializing with acquaintances. It was rather enjoyable...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 6:56 PM
You may want to Google this, while you're at it:

Bernanke Secretly Gives away Sixteen Trillion Dollars


Oh yeah, BELIEVE IT. Federal Reserve Audit in progress...
Jul 27, 11 7:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 7:51 PM
The economy is in shambles , the poorest of the poor and the middle class are barely holding on and Republicans want to protect their very wealthy friends. The GOP refuses to close the corporate welfare loopholes -- tax breaks for owners of corporate jets, welfare for the oil companies and a host of other favorable treatments to the multimillionaires.

Meanwhile senior citizens are being told their Medicare and Social Security will be frozen at last year's levels, babyboomers will see their ...more
By JimmyKBond (151), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 11 8:10 AM
If Paul Ryan could do it, he would be defecting from the general identity of the party.

"Suck it up, and cope.".

The new "Let them eat cake.".
Jul 27, 11 6:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/evil-corporate-tax-holiday-gains-bipartisan-support-20110726
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 6:58 PM
Just imagine if Congressman Tim Bishop had not won ... thank goodness he is there in Washington DC opposing this national Republican madness and standing firm against cuts to Medicare and Social Security and fighting to reduce our debt. Best proof ever for the wisdom of East End Republicans who voted to keep Bishop fighting for Long Island values!
By JimmyKBond (151), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 11 8:15 AM
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LOL fighting to reduce our debt? Please stop. Bishop votes for every spending bill that crosses his desk. You can't be serious with that comment
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Jul 27, 11 11:30 AM
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Barry's numbers are bleak.
ABM’s job approval rating in the latest national polls are a train wreck, ranging from 42 percent (Gallup) to 47 percent (ABC News/Washington Post), with every survey showing him with higher unfavorables than favorables. with the most noticable complaint being his inability to lead. Needless to say, the only people that seem to be hanging in there are progressive ideologues and union members . It’s not a good place for a president to be, especially since ...more
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 27, 11 2:22 PM
There is a consensus out there between sane republicans and the rest of the world, if you need proof, read Bruce Bartlett's piece from the NY Times.

Before you dismiss this as "liberal media", Mr. Bartlett held senior policy roles in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul. His conservative bona fides are beyond question.

His take? The Bush Tax Cuts the Root of Our Fiscal Problem. Read ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 27, 11 5:27 PM
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I think you'll like this article:
Jul 27, 11 8:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=f52a822f-0b5d-44e1-b160-6fa3e8164903
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 27, 11 8:53 PM
Read it and loved it.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 28, 11 3:25 PM
what do you say that for 1 day...1 entire day, we discuss the real world. not 1 person's opinion, no cutting and pasting from the endless internet library which contains things to support any side you want to pics and then some? what do you say we actually look out the window and talk to your friends? how about checking with your own family or those with whom you do business. in case you haven't noticed, this president is a disaster. go ahead, don't pull some dopey article from someone who ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 28, 11 8:01 AM
You dispute polls because they don't suit your argument. We all feel the pinch, but your anger is misguided and you are blaming the wrong freaking president. Just because you feel one the rest of the public has to agree? Give me a break.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jul 28, 11 10:09 AM
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You're right. The guys at MIT are so [expletive deleted] stupid. (NOT!)

Well, if you want to talk business, we traditionally saved to buy needed equipment, or at 0% financing offers. Now we are repairing only what we need to, definitely preventive maintenance, and nursing equipment through to get the job done. The nature of our business has done a complete about-face since the economic implosion, and every penny is watched like a hawk. But, we usually did that anyway. The difference ...more
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 28, 11 4:19 PM
progressnow said "You dispute polls because they don't suit your argument" Well that seems a tad bit hypocritical. Chuckle
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 28, 11 9:28 PM
omg i have wanted to respond to this but at 2 per day there were just more important idiotic comments to handle. but this one is unbelievable. i don't know what is more inane to suggest that someone doesn't like polls because it doesn't suit them or the dolts that actually read your statement and LIKED it! hahahaha. dude, the entire point is that the polls are fake, frauds, nonsense. All I can say to you is please stick around, cuz I'm gonna need a sweater you SHEEP! hahahaha, the polls, every ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 30, 11 7:19 AM
Spend what we take in and no more! How f'in hard a concept is that to grasp. Eliminate agencies that are duplicated on the State level. Eiminate foreign aid, government unions and any increase in Federal spending. Any member of congress or Se\nate who votes for any increase in spending whatsoever should be voted out of office. IT'S OUR MONEY, NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S!
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 28, 11 3:08 PM
We're not taking in enough! "How f'in hard" is that for you to grasp. A government needs money to operate. Are you willing to give up your social security and your medicare?

I will once again present facts as laid out by Bruce Bartlett who held senior policy roles in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul. His conservative bona fides are beyond question and I ask you to respond to his assertion with ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 28, 11 3:24 PM
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They do not need half the money they take in. The socialists among us, like you... just want to live in a different country then the one they wear born into.You hate America and the constitution. Study what the founding fathers wanted. Limited government. States rights, Freedom to succeed or fail based on personal responsibility. The right to PURSUE happiness... not have the government provide it for you. Why do I waste me time with you. I will never change you mind.
Jul 28, 11 9:38 PM appended by joe hampton
by the way ...CLAUDE FREDERIC BASTIAT was a French economist, legislator, and writer who championed private property, free markets, and limited government. ...
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 28, 11 9:38 PM
Right.

But, even he agreed to the beheading of Louie, and Marie...
Jul 28, 11 9:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
In The Law, Bastiat explains that if the privileged classes use the government for "legalized plunder" this will encourage the lower classes to revolt or use socialist "legalized plunder" and that the correct response to both the socialists and the corporatists is to cease all "legalized plunder". Bastiat also explains why his position is that the law cannot defend life, liberty and property if it promotes socialist policies. When used to obtain "legalized plunder" for any group, he says, the law is perverted and turned against the thing it is supposed to defend
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 28, 11 9:58 PM
Would 16 TRILLION dollars constitute "legalized plunder"?
Jul 28, 11 10:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, for reference, when I was born the tax rate on the "elite", was 70%. Not 18%. That's the America I was born into...
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 28, 11 10:11 PM
"Those who oppose all reform will do well to remember that ruin in its worst form is inevitable if our national life brings us nothing better than swollen fortunes for the few and the triumph in both politics and business of a sordid and selfish materialism."

~ Theodore Roosevelt, Wasamatomie, Kansas (August 31, 1910)
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 28, 11 10:54 PM
"If that wench Martha walks in, we're toast"

~ Teddy Roosevelt, whilst having a little known exploratory experimentation (read, playing doctor) with George Washington (July 3, 1811)
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 29, 11 7:06 AM
Joe hampton,

I offer you a challenge, an opportunity to prove you have the courage of your convictions. As you already know, my name is David D'Agostino, I am a Southampton resident and more than capable of defending myself against puerile attacks on my "love of country."

My challenge to you? Reveal yourself. Tell us your true identity and then lets have a real debate here, "socialist"versus "teapartier."

Until you are willing to do that, yes, stop wasting your ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 29, 11 12:18 PM
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Washington was dead in 1811,

Bastiat passed in 1850. Two years AFTER the revolution.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 30, 11 12:31 AM
Joe Hampton, your silence speaks volumes. My challenge stands
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 30, 11 10:51 AM
I feel like I need to quote Bastiat again.

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it, and a moral code that glorifies it."

- Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law' (1850)
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 28, 11 4:32 PM
“Beggars should be abolished entirely! Verily, it is annoying to give to them and it is annoying not to give to them”

Friedrich Nietzsche quotes (German classical Scholar, Philosopher and Critic of culture, 1844-1900.)
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 29, 11 7:03 AM
Well, if he ever met a professional "panhandler"...

How else would he feel?
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 30, 11 12:28 AM
THEY are confiscating enough of OUR wealth! Make due with whatever that amount is--PERIOD. Cut what must be cut to balance the budget and live with it! We all should be responsible for our own well being, not the almighty ederal Government. Eliminate social security and medicaire, but let us keep the money that's confiscated for that purpose. With those funds we can do a better job of securing our future well being than a bunch of shiteweasels in DC!
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 29, 11 7:07 AM
You wont be improving my life. with my new $2,200 Medical insurance that has doubled since Obama care. No not until this wealth redistributing class warfare loving, union promoting, socialist ,Piece of excrement is removed from office
By They call me (2143), southampton on Jul 29, 11 10:01 PM
Always identifying with the wrong people.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 30, 11 12:34 AM
Gotta love the way Dear Leader was wasting time touting increased mileage standards today instead of LEADING in this time of crisis. The Demokratz have put forth nothing of substance yet have the gall to denounce the Replublicans' plans that have passed in the House. The Demokratz have lost any semblance of credibility they might have possessed at one time. The Senate hasn't been able to pass a budget and have not passed anything to deal with the defecit. God help us all.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 29, 11 6:18 PM
useless envious waste product
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 29, 11 9:47 PM
Honest question here.

Why has the "bar" become so high?

Why are too many middle class people stuck on the "low wages, high prices hamster wheel"?

Because, the 2008 "elite", pocketed 36.8 trillion dollars more, AFTER TAXES, than their 1955 counterparts.

Disparity has skyrocketed since Reagan.

To quote a friend, FACT.
By Mr. Z (9458), North Sea on Jul 30, 11 12:38 AM
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Nice attempt at deflection Philly. Dear Leader is MIA, Twittering from under his desk in the oval office.The Senate doesn't have the cajones to pass a budget. It's not up to the Federal Government to provide jobs, they should get the hell out of the way and let the free markets take care of that! Barry's neo-Marxist philosophy has been responsible for the creeping unemployment and anemic economic growth we are now saddled with.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jul 30, 11 7:03 AM
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"...provide jobs...let the free market take care of that...".

Right, provide all the incentive for the GE's to pay zero net taxes. That produced how many domestic jobs?

Nevermind.
By VOS (987), WHB on Jul 31, 11 12:42 AM
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By VOS (987), WHB on Jul 31, 11 12:42 AM
I beg of you, please find proof of that. Please. I swear I will send you $1,000.00 if you can find proof that boehner walked out 2x and cantor walked out 1x and just sort of left everyone in the lurch when they were trying so hard to make progress. And that is all the ''walking out'' there was. Please don't disappoint me. Because if you can't find proof of this, and don't cut and paste something from the Daily Kos, you need to find the congressional record and its out there. Please, I will ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 31, 11 7:52 AM
I guess you do not read or watch regular media I mean the kind that is truely fair and balanced not the kind run be a disgraced mego maniac. Rupert Murdock.
The news of those infamous walkouts is all over the media and the rest of the world know about it. So now those screwball republican babies that are so racially inclined are ruining this country because of their southern biasis.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 31, 11 12:48 PM
oh, the stations besides fox are very ethical and possess integrity. right. now go help your friend and find some proof. meanwhile you may want to reconsider that unbelievably naive' standpoint of yours. unbelievable. especially for someone ''as wise'' ahem, as yourself.
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 31, 11 1:03 PM
good one BF, you are absolutely right, the leader is left twittering, muttering and stuttering. the only one showing any fight are the folks that are left following this loser, shady attorney from chi-town. can you imagine that a bunch of libs are running around explaining how eeeeevil the repubs are for waiting until the last minute....barney frank and a cadre of losers being marched onto late night cable to spout nonsense that the public just ain't buying. the problem now is that we've got ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Jul 30, 11 7:26 AM
Raising the debt limit was never a matter for debate until the Republicans made it so for the simple reason that failure to raise the limit is economic suicide. Our trading partners are looking on this debate as an indication of political mental imbalance.

It isn't unusual for the party out-of-power to try to impede the enforcement of laws whose enactment they have failed to obstruct legislatively by eviscerating funding. However, only the Republicans have been so obsessed by ideology ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 30, 11 1:26 PM
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The baggers are complete fools. Their terrorist tactics will destroy destroy them as it did in 1994. One day my grandchild will say, "granddad, was there ever a group more stupid than the tea party?" I'll answer, "No, my child. Never was and never will be.". And then I will point him to the archives for this story's comments as proof. Keep on baggin'!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jul 30, 11 10:29 PM
Leave us alone, Outsourcer. Go screw some other district." Dec 7, 10 4:24 PM

Wheeler, you're a first class idiot." Jan 6, 11 5:17 PM
You are an idiot" Jan 17, 11 9:32 PM

They call me bagger

To Altschuler - You destroyed the lives of thousands of Americans. eff you.

(When you can't answer facts, hurl insults instead) Feb 17, 11 5:28 PM hehehe...

Please provide a source of your statistic, piehole Mar 11, 11 11:52 AM

teaboy, make sure you show ...more
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 31, 11 7:45 AM
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By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 31, 11 12:36 AM
hh, that is the silliest thing.. "our trading partners are looking on this debate as an indication of political mental imbalance" and someone hit ''Like'' on that drivel?
"the republicans are threatening to blow up the economy of the united states if their will, already defeated legislatively by the peoples representatives is not acceded to" huh? kindly explain ''blow up the economy''...does my bank account explode on Monday? irrational zealotry? repeat after me..baaaaaaaaaaaaaa, ya ...more
By local69 (65), southampton on Jul 31, 11 7:31 AM
I do not understand how can my comment about 5351 be edited for merely pointing out what her avatar clearly displays.... Mr Editor ?
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Jul 31, 11 10:31 AM
to local69:

At the risk of further humiliation by such biting repartee, let me point out that that bank account of yours to which you refer will only buy a fraction of what it currently does if the Republican idiocy causes hyperinflation. That's ONE result of their blowing up of the economy that is easily understood by anyone.

Then there is our $400B international trade market which will grind to a halt along with global finance (especially as pertains to our own welsher nation.)

Creditors ...more
Jul 31, 11 11:36 AM appended by highhatsize
You DO understand, I hope, that none of this will come to pass if the Republicans simply vote to increase the debt ceiling. The budgetary arguments do not change the fact that it is the Republicans, and the Republicans alone, who will be responsible for the blow-up if they refuse. This isn't a matter of construing whose actions are responsible for which deleterious effects as in the budgetary debate. This is simple cause and effect. Everyone agrees that a default would be disastrous. ONLY Republicans are threatening that.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 31, 11 11:36 AM
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HH "only" republicans. This is a two way street. Both Repubicans and democrats are to blame. You tend to forget the most recent election and the creation of the tea party which was a referrendum on big Gvt and excessive spending. FYI I find it interesting that this deal which clearly favors republicans was hashed out by McConnell and of all people Biden. Where was Boehner, Reid and Obama on this?
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Aug 1, 11 9:24 AM
I addition to hh's comments which I concur, let me tell you folks who are younger and apparently do lnot care, there are a lot of people who are very concerned that the irresponsible peole are intending to put us thru all this angst again in 2012. For shame on these irresonnsible babies whth all their hubris.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 31, 11 1:18 PM
on the 28th big fresh said among the things he would eliminate are "government unions". Just what are you referring to mr. big fresh? Civil Service? That is the oldest and the largest unoin in the country. Civil Service was founded just after the Civil War.... which we seem to be fighting all over again since we, the majority, elected Barack Obama ... which may I remind y'all is fifty percent white!!!!! not all entirely black. Our president Obama is homogeneous just llike the rest of us Americans ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jul 31, 11 1:33 PM
Eliminating government unions is the obvious place to start there summertime, except I'm thinking of nicknaming you wintertime because of how ancient you sound. Civil unions pit citizenry against the government and even the most liberal presidents in history understood that. When you have a municipal union negotiating against the taxpayers for their $$ and benefits, they are negotiating against their countrymen, their own families and ultimately themselves. and unfortunately for HH, your agreement ...more
By HSA (68), southampton on Aug 1, 11 7:01 AM
Hey, I almost like you! Yes, I am ancient 78years of which I am proud to say the first 59 were spent in Southampton village and I had a wonderful life there. so many of us (still lilving) feel we had the best of times in SH, BH and EH. One of our sons still doesn't go across the canal very much. So now you know my heart is with y'all in SH. But as far as my racism remarks they are built on my experience in living for 8 years in country NC and in living very near native FLA. I have seen and heard ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 1, 11 11:09 AM
The call to eliminate unions is simplistic and wrong.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Aug 1, 11 11:54 AM
If you want to blame the Republicans for something, blame them for making sure there is more in your paycheck than if Harry Reid and Obama would have had their way. And if you are upset about not having your taxes raised and being robbed of the precious opportunity to pay more taxes, you have 2 options 1.) send an additional tax payment or use the extra you want to pay towards next year's tax obligation or 2.) send a thank you contribution to your local tea party affiliated office.
By local69 (65), southampton on Aug 1, 11 10:03 AM
Anyone voting nay to raising the debt ceiling (or manipulating House rules to prevent a vote) is voting to run a risk whose downside is limitless.

Debates about fiscal policy and ideology are obfuscatory. In this case, Congressmen have to answer a simple, clear question: Will you roll the dice on destroying the economy?
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Aug 1, 11 10:37 AM
I don't think their was ever any real danger of default. Both parties dont want that blood on their hands. It was a high priced game of chicken with parties trying to get as much as possible. Granted some people will vote against it but its mearly posturing by unneeded votes. I must admit the media provided high drama. With the Caylee Anthony case over and no "OJ" like cases around the media milked it for all its worth.
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Aug 1, 11 11:04 AM
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to razza5350:

I agree, although the obduracy of the TPs like Cantor and Bachmann had/has me worried. Which leads me back to my earlier question: Might it not have been better for Obama to have told the Republicans to go pound sand at the very beginning when they threatened default unless he made budgetary concessions? Did he have to deal with them at all?
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Aug 1, 11 2:08 PM
So, HH, you're OK with the Demokratz and Dear Leader jacking up our debt limit with no strings attached? I never took you for a kool aid drinker, hopefully I am mistaken. We all owe the Tea Party Representatives a heartful "thank you" for bringing this issue to the forefront and forcing a debate on a fiscally irresponsible political party.They are following through on their campaign promise of fighting for a smaller Federal government. Like it or not, things will never be the same in DC. It will ...more
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Aug 1, 11 2:41 PM
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big fresh, you defie the name of a local fun spot. Do you ONLY listen to Fox and such drival? Smaller government indeed. Seems I heard that line before like from GWB's cohorts. Face it this is a BIG country. We can never return to the age of the 13 colonies. We need some intelligent leaders. Granted our present President has a hard time putting forth his vision. He is too cereberal for the masses that's why they respond to the raving screeming crying spectacle put on these days. Which ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 1, 11 3:55 PM
This is the problem. You have to stop fighting amongst each other - we, the public are the losers here. All of us, regardless of what party you identify with. This so called compromise does nothing to address the unbelievable problems that we have in our governing bodies. The out of control spending is not addressed, nor are the out of control costs, the unreal levels of fiscal irresonsibility, the vast amounts of fraud or the waste. In short, none of the issues that got us here are addressed ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Aug 1, 11 4:07 PM
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And insofar as an impending default was used against all of us as a false issue, the math looks like this - the US brings in $220 billion per month in revenue, the debt service is a mere $20 Billion, so there was NEVER a chance that the US would default on its treasuries. But while you were be told that was about to occurr, the elites were re-assuring the banks and wall street concerns what the real truth was, because THEY HAVE THE LOOT. And in case you didn't know, that's what politicians need ...more
Aug 1, 11 4:13 PM appended by kaluss
shoot, "occur." and 'being''. sorry.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Aug 1, 11 4:13 PM
I used to like summertime.He's too cerebral for the masses?! You have been blinded by His BS. The truth is that He has made His vision known and as you know, socialism has never worked! Are you truly against having a smaller , more efficient Federal bureacracy?
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Aug 1, 11 4:41 PM
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Dat guy up der be right! Local84 didn't get his redistribution and philathome didn't get his tax increase and the middle class and old people got whaaaacked.

In the final analysis, Local 84 lost huge. He voted for Obama and got left in the dust like a sad runaway on the side of the Vegas Turnpike. If you wanted taxes raised, you lost. But if you love big government and watching your $$ being used to line the federal bird cage, well, you're waking up a very happy citizen today.
By local69 (65), southampton on Aug 2, 11 6:33 AM
I hate to say it local but the only thing this bill really accomplishes is averting the potential economic disaster that most likely would have occured by raising the debt ceiling. This deal is so back loaded and we still spend more than we make. We shall see in November if the so called committee (not another one) comes up with any REAL solutions. If the big three entitlement programs are not reformed they will be in default by 2048.
By razza5350 (1859), East Hampton on Aug 2, 11 7:24 AM
Balanced budget ammendment with a no tax increase clause would stop the debt from getting worse. Slash ALL non essential programs. What ever happened to self reliance, personal responsibility and taking care of your own? Pitiful.
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Aug 2, 11 4:41 PM
I would surely like to know how you gain your income!? NO ONE earns their living without the help of others. Please just tell me what business, work effort brings in the dollars with out some one in the mix during the day working along side the boss? YOU?
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 5, 11 1:31 PM
Why do you hate success so much. Why do you live to redistribute wealth? I just do not understand the venomous attitude you have toward self reliance and hard work. I could never live just to take from others like you do.you truly are a miserable little man. I have asked you before and you have dodged the question are you a minority or disabled. your hate must emanate from somewhere. you must feel like life has dealt you a raw deal somehow. envy will destroy you in the end.
By joe hampton (2905), south hampton on Aug 3, 11 8:39 AM
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And seems to have played it rather well
By They call me (2143), southampton on Aug 4, 11 9:38 PM
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