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Aug 9, 2011 9:42 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

East End Verizon Workers Join In Regional Strike

Aug 10, 2011 12:46 PM

Camped out wearing red company shirts and clutching signs stating that their union is striking to protect middle-class jobs, clusters of Verizon workers gathered outside company buildings on Windmill and David Whites lanes in Southampton Village and elsewhere on Monday—part of a much larger strike against the communications giant stretching across much of the Eastern Seaboard.

“Basically, Verizon’s trying to crush the union,” explained North Sea resident Mike Todd, the chief steward of local Chapter 1108 of the Communications Workers of America, as he stood outside his workplace, the garage on David Whites Lane, with about half a dozen fellow employees. “They’re trying to stop our pension. They’re trying to have us pay a little over $6,000 into our healthcare plan.”

He consulted a sheet stating that Verizon has raked in $22.5 billion in profits over the past four and a half years and paid their top five executives a total of $258 million. It also calls the company’s contract proposals the most sweeping attack on middle-class jobs that the union has ever seen. The union’s most recent contract expired on Sunday, August 7.

According to Mr. Todd, the company is now calling for active and retired employees to contribute to their healthcare premiums, the elimination of benefits for injured workers, the slashing of paid sick leave and job-security protections, and ways to make it easier to outsource jobs to contractors overseas.

“We also feel that they’re using the recession as a excuse to come after us,” Mr. Todd said. “Just the middle class of America’s been getting destroyed.”

Several cars honked in support on Monday when passing the strikers, which included about dozen employees outside Verizon’s building on Windmill Lane. Several other employees also picketed outside buildings in Hampton Bays, Sag Harbor, East Hampton and Montauk.

“It’s regrettable for our employees and our customers that the Communications Workers of America and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers have decided to walk away from the table instead of continuing to work through the issues,” said Marc C. Reed, Verizon’s executive vice president of human resources, in a statement posted on the company website. “We will continue to do our part to reach a new contract that reflects today’s economic realities in our wireline business and addresses the needs of all parties. It’s also our intent that under a new contract, Verizon employees will continue to receive competitive pay and benefit programs.”

The company has said that its wireline business—as opposed to its wireless operation—is losing profitability.

The strikes started on Sunday and involve approximately 45,000 union-represented Verizon wireline employees from Virginia to Massachusetts.

Verizon issued a statement on Monday that said the strikes were having only a minimal impact on customers.

Since the strikes began, there have been several disturbances at the Verizon buildings in the village, according to Southampton Village Police. A dispute on Tuesday outside the David Whites Lane site apparently started when a passing motorist made an unflattering comment to the picketers, who then confronted the driver. Another similar verbal dispute occurred on Wednesday morning, police said. Neither incident resulted in any arrests, they said.

On Wednesday, striking employees staged a protest in front of the First Neck Lane home in Southampton Village that Vice President Joe Biden was staying in for the weekend. Mr. Biden declined to meet with the picketers.

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so now my phone guy will come 3 days late instead of 2
By littleplains (305), olde england on Aug 9, 11 12:02 PM
I don't have empathy for anyone today who walks off a well paid job because they are being asked to contribute to their health care cost. That's real world economics. Almost no working people today have a Verizon type pension and free healthcare; even fewer people have any medical benefits the day after they retire.
By SagHarborBob (91), Sag Harbor on Aug 9, 11 12:21 PM
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Maybe you would take issue, if your "bosses" took home 5,494.5 TIMES what you do from the company in a year, and said "We can't afford your compensation.".
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 7:04 PM
Except Congress! As much as I believe in our system of government I do think what has happened over the past 30 years is a great affront to the citizens. The idea of working only 3 days a week and taking the rest off to do what? Have you looked into their package lately?
But hey, an uninformed voter is the greatest threat to our country.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 15, 11 9:24 PM
Instead of expecting them to give up benefits, we should be fighting to get benefits for others who need them. The working class in this coutry is getting screwed every which way from Sunday while the rich are getting obscenely richer. we are becoming a third world country with a small, very rich goup at the top and a group getting poorer in real dollars by the day.
A strong middle class is what has made this country great and we are in serious danger of losing it. Please look at all the economic ...more
By baywoman (162), southampton on Aug 9, 11 12:32 PM
Thank you, Baywoman. Well said.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Aug 9, 11 12:52 PM
Socialism first, last and forever, eh, DD?

On the other hand, the amount of the Executive Compensation, if accurate, is obscene!
By Frank Wheeler (1796), Northampton on Aug 9, 11 1:25 PM
Ah, our old friend frankwheeler with the same old childish accusation of socialism. You are pathetic, frank. Truly.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 11 5:13 PM
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PT Barnum said there's one born every minute, fc...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 9, 11 6:48 PM
Look at the supporting cast for this comment very predictable But where is philathome? laughable how the takers stick together.The rich the rich must pay our way while we pay nothing. It was bush, it was bush. Its a tea party downgrade the tea party did it. You sound like a bunch of 5 year olds on the play ground.
By Undocumented Democrat (1700), southampton on Aug 9, 11 8:39 PM
Hey, undocumented, us 5th graders want nothing to do with you kindergartners. Find your own playground.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 11 10:22 PM
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dagdavid, Mr. Z, fcmcmann, philathome, progressnow, local 84, fritzdaddy
By They call me (2383), southampton on Aug 9, 11 10:37 PM
5000x the average compensation of the striking worker.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 8:32 PM
@ Frank Wheeler:

Here's a quote, that I'm more than reasonably sure will surprise many. He was most likely the smartest man in recent History. And, smarter than every last one of us who post here.

"The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil... I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would ...more
Aug 11, 11 9:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
If you would care to read the entire article, it can be found here: http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 9:31 PM
Yes, but just FIVE of Verizon's top executives got paid $258 million - five guys! It's far beyond their worth by any stretch of the imagination. Pension issue aside, should middle class people have to give up a $6000 chunk of their hard earned income to pay for health insurance while a set of five fat cats walk away with an average of $50 million each? Something is very wrong in Verizon's board room.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Aug 9, 11 12:42 PM
Reminds me of Tyco, or Nabisco...
Aug 9, 11 6:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Holy Robber Barons, Batman!!"
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 9, 11 6:37 PM
We need to take dis country ova > we should all walk out at da same time let um moe their own lawns for a while. I got a JOB that means you pay my benifits. got me!
By local 84 (324), riverhead on Aug 9, 11 9:12 PM
Hey, pay the 6k and quit bitching! The self employed and small business owners pay ALL of there health insurance costs, plus 100% of Social Security and contribute 100% of their retirement. Verizon pays well and lately, has offered a lot of OT.In these challenging economic times it's not wise to strike, they can easily be replaced by non-union workers.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 9, 11 2:54 PM
258 MILLION in executive "compensation".

But, the little guy needs to eat health care costs? WOW.

Do you know why employee owned companies traditionally perform better, and have far more happier employees than publicly owned heiarchies?

They have no multi million dollar masters.
Aug 9, 11 6:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
Of course, they aren't all perfect. Enron would be an example of a FAILED ESOP, due to the uncontrollable, unregulated, unfettered greed of a few despicable men.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 9, 11 6:37 PM
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And, bs, oops, I mean bf, this was a GREAT article...
Aug 9, 11 6:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/rupert-murdochs-american-scandals-20110803
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 9, 11 6:51 PM
Dats correct no one is my master. Tic me off you gonna know it job o no job. I work for a company 40 hours a week they pay my benifits dont tell me some corn bread bs bout me paying my sha. you want to stop paying my benifits I will quit and collect 126 weeks of un employment kiss my *$*
By local 84 (324), riverhead on Aug 9, 11 10:33 PM
You got it all figured out don't you. Your a disgrace
By They call me (2383), southampton on Aug 10, 11 12:19 PM
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how much are your union dues and other union related expenses in any given year? and don't mean to be rude, but since you're in the process of accomplishing redistribution, why do you even worry about unemployment? if you found that the money that is being redistributed is not going to you but to ''the man'', would you feel at all differently about getting your so called fair share? i'll hang up and listen to your answer on the air.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Aug 13, 11 6:36 PM
The only "redistribution" I've seen recently, is 1% of this country, increasing their share of it to more than 40% of it in the last three years.

A bit excessive, wouldn't you say?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 5:08 PM
The striking workers are lower than low , they act like animals. I saw them attack a van today from my business on mariner drive in Southampton. They went into the mans window and punched and grabbed at him. the man did not fight back and called the village police. They surrounded his van and threw water at him rocked and kicked his car for several minutes. I saw the whole thing. What right do they have to harass the citizens driving by? They have been out there blocking traffic,
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 9, 11 8:05 PM
making comments and causing unsafe environment . I watched them wait for the man hiding on the edge of the road when he got to the corner about a dozen verizon strikers surounded his truck with mob mentality. I casually know the gentleman they assaulted. He has always been very nice. I am sure someone from verizon must have been arrested and I would love to know what brought on the disturbing scene I saw today from my window and what verizon and the police plan to do about it.
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 9, 11 8:06 PM
It would be nice if you got the facts straight.This "very nice man" cursed at the strikers and then tried to run one of them over with his van.Just go look at the scuff marks all over the curbs.

So dont open your mouth unless you go buy a clue.....oh by the way the guy was a retired sheriff......union job.....loser
By skidd07 (2), manorville on Aug 10, 11 5:09 PM
I'm sure a retired sheriff drove up on the curbs... do you hear yourself?
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 10, 11 5:21 PM
This is a flat out lie. Had there been an officer of the law present to witness his actions, your 'very nice gentleman' friend would have been arrested on the spot. he was the instigator in this incident.
By Frontline (3), CALVERTON on Aug 11, 11 7:38 PM
OMG, I saw it as well. I live on Pulaski St and was going to the store. Right at the corner before the light I saw a group of big men attacking a van. It was very disturbing . I am scared now to drive down that road. Mr Todd how can this be permitted to continue. I am going to call the village police office in the morning to voice my concerns.
By professor ann (1), southampton on Aug 9, 11 8:27 PM
You certainly did not see it all Professor. Let me ask you, how did the van get up on the curb? Are you suggesting that the striking workers, randomly picked a van out of the passing traffic to attack, lifted it up, turned around from northbound to south, placed it atop the curb and then assaulted the driver for no reason?

You may have seen the end of the incident, but it started when the driver of the van shouted obscenities at the workers, who replied with a few suggestions for the "very ...more
By Frontline (3), CALVERTON on Aug 11, 11 7:36 PM
What did the guy in the van do first?
Don't tell me that these workers do that for no reason......they have families.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Aug 9, 11 8:42 PM
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The men involved in this incident should be punished or the next time Verizon should be held responsible for allowing such a thing to go on in our community without taking steps to prevent it. These individuals should not be permitted to do this again. Does anyone know if arrests were made? S.H.P? This is not Europe (at least not yet) And such civil unrest should not be allowed on our streets.
Aug 9, 11 9:01 PM appended by 27dan
Called a friend at in Southampton. She could not tell me much, just that the driver of the van was angered when he had to stop short for the protesters in the street and may have made a comment to the workers. 15 min later the verizon workers ambushed him on his way out of his place of business. She said the man was ruffed up and was surprised he did not press charges. She could not tell me if any Verizon workers were being charged by the police dept.
By 27dan (2380), Southampton on Aug 9, 11 9:01 PM
No Sympathy. There was a time when workers werent paid their fair share and that is why benefits were given, but as wages increased benefits werent withdrawn and an air of entitlement has resutled. The job loss in USA is a direct result of high labor cost. We have lost our ability to compete. The accumulation of sick, personal and vacation time not used, then cashed out is abusive and everyone pays for that, whether its in a phone bill or the tax bill. It has to stop and workers need to be more ...more
By North Sea Citizen (491), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 6:19 AM
I agreee with everything except the "high labor cost" comment.

Remember, even executives have been more than handsomely rewarded for poor performance, and failure. Income inequality ("de pecuniae" segregation) would be the root cause of why things have gotten so expensive, and people tend to demand more, for less.

At the risk of being egotistical, I'd like to take some of these Verizon guys with me on a summer Monday. See how well they use their benefits packages to maintain ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 6:30 AM
unions are a thing of the past, less then 12% of the entire U.S. workforce is union. most companies wont hire union workers anymore remember the mighty UAW ? now it stands for Unemployed Auto Worker why don't these union workers try to make it in the real world just like the majority of us and stop trying to create so many problems
By typical (63), southampton on Aug 10, 11 9:31 AM
I don't understand you anti-union people and your mantras about how these people are greedy. It's not just the $6000 for health care costs. It's also "elimination of benefits for injured workers, the slashing of paid sick leave and job-security protections, and ways to make it easier to outsource jobs to contractors overseas" among other things. And the fact that verizon wants RETIRED workers to pay health care costs is absurd.. they made a deal and had a contract with those workers who dedicated ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Aug 10, 11 9:45 AM
Nature, you are exactly on target, but you are trying to convince a group of people who believe that no one should be able to have more than they do.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Aug 10, 11 11:29 AM
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So mob violence is acceptable since the driver by did not agree with the union point of view? I believe you should have the right to have it all Its the American way. I worked my way up from nothing and now live quite comfortable. When I had nothing I admired people with wealth and set out to make it in this world. Luck had nothing to do with achieving my goals. It was hard work sacrifice and personal responsibility.I left 3 jobs along the way with children these men can do the same its there right. ...more
By 27dan (2380), Southampton on Aug 10, 11 12:41 PM
Luck had EVERYTHING to do with it.

You were born here, not somewhere in Mogadishu.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 6:42 PM
The executive board members each pocketed 5000x the salary of the "average" striking worker.

If that ain't disparity, what in the H-E double hockey sticks is?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 8:36 PM
Until the top five Verizon executives' pay is scaled way back from an average of $50 million each - and I have to wonder how generously the execs directly below them are paid too - the striking workers have my sympathy. I pass by there regularly and they have been fine. I give an occasional thumbs up, they smile and wave back. That man who got roughed must have said something really inflammatory.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Aug 10, 11 11:17 AM
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How many forclosures could be stopped with dat 50 million. It should be them on the street with signs dat say will work for food. fair wage is a right and benifitts come along with the deal.
By local 84 (324), riverhead on Aug 10, 11 1:25 PM
Local -- in reading some of your previous posts, it is clear that you have the capacity to write in an intelligent fashion and have given thought to what you have posted. Why is it then that you must dumb down some of your posts down with what appear to be obvious attempts to come across as a 'gangsta'? It only diminishes the value of your words.
By nsea93 (39), Southampton on Aug 14, 11 1:05 AM
I bet that the Verizon corporate management would love to use offshore labor in order to pad their own financial portfolios.
Maybe they could contact Randy Aultschuler....he could hook verizon management up with workers in India.....and then spend 400k in campaign literature to place blame on the unions. Then everyone wins....except for the American middleclass worker.
I am with the American worker!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Aug 10, 11 1:26 PM
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they already contract work overseas....anyone who has DSL and has ever called customer service knows you get India or Philippines.Just another reason why they are striking.....to keep jobs in America
By skidd07 (2), manorville on Aug 10, 11 5:18 PM
What a collection of dead beat sympathizers this thread spawned. Take care of me cradle to grave, Pathetic. How do you look at yourselves in the mirror? and its the same pro choice for the sake of convenience,No responsibility, Raise taxes on the other guy takers as always. How you have defended this bunch of attention getting thugs amazes me. GET BACK TO WORK ! or find a better job . stop blocking the road. Someone might get hurt.
By They call me (2383), southampton on Aug 10, 11 5:18 PM
You really are ignorant, willfully blind, [expletive deleted] fool.

Let's just revert back to the days, when a foreman could fire you just because he didn't like something about you, with no recourse whatsoever.

These people are fighting a group of fat cat, robber barons who rob the company, and the people they render service to blind, so as to line their pockets with millions of dollars. They're fighting for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being poor, never made ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 6:47 PM
And, maybe the Unions have their abuses, but the abuses, and usurpations made by the "executive class" are far greater, and more far reaching in their consequences.

It's just such a massive b***h to live on less than 20 million a year these days...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 10, 11 6:50 PM
This wisdom comes to you from a garbage collector.
By They call me (2383), southampton on Aug 11, 11 1:25 AM
Yep, one of the the things I do.

It would honestly surprise you to discover how much you can learn about people, simply from the way they treat their waste.

You learn firsthand, just how squanderous some are, how careless some are, how slovenly some are, how lazy some are, how "out of touch" some are, and just how wasteful a lot "Humanity" is.

I have crushed tens of thousands of refundable deposit bottles, newspapers, and cardboard, mainly because the time to salvage them ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 6:26 AM
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They should have the right to strike and if the company has enough they should have the right to replace these extortionists and I hope the do . There are plenty of people who would be more than happy to have their positions.They are street thugs urban terrorists attacking passing by motorists who don't agree with what they are selling. unions are bringing down this country. I say pay the 6000, eat your peas. and hope you don't surround my car for it shall be the last thing you do on this earth. ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1700), southampton on Aug 10, 11 10:18 PM
And you obviously cant read. I said that Verizon SHOULD have the right to replace them. That my little adversary is called an opinion, you should know this since you are full of them. Whether or not there is a way to do such I will leave up to the attorneys. I pay well over 1700 a month for health insurance for 4 people due to the fact that I am paying for undocumented workers and insurance companies ramping up there rates in anticipation of obama care. I should be paying half that. But you could ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1700), southampton on Aug 10, 11 11:12 PM
Pardon, I cant seem to hear you?
By Undocumented Democrat (1700), southampton on Aug 11, 11 4:57 PM
UMMMM Phyllis--The contract has expired, hence the strikeVerizon is being held hostage by it's employees and has the right to fire the lot of them. If the employees are unhappy with their working conditions and compensation, they are free to find another job. If it wasn't for the EVIL CORPORATION (verizon) these folks wouldn't have the job they're griping about.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 11, 11 6:46 AM
"Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem."

"Goodness, is not being better than the worst."

~ Seneca
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 4:38 PM
66% of the country, made less than $50,000 per year in 2009.

Must be because they don't work hard enough...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 4:45 PM
Makes me wonder what his employees do during his "winters off".

On the public teat, perhaps? It is a seasonal business, after all...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 5:29 PM
Rrrrriiiiight.......contact expired......time to outscource?
Yea, Verzon is a Fortune 500 company, and they can afford NOT to screw their employees.
To the folks out on the right flank.....Corporations are doing quite well.....they want to make more money by exploiting the workers with your blessing and support. Don't let these workers and their families get cheated by a perfecly good corporation.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Aug 11, 11 12:12 PM
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"Radix omnium malorum est cupiditas."

" The love of money is the root of all evil."

OR, more idiomatically:

"Avarice is the problem, money itself is not evil."

~ 1 Timothy 6:10
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 4:51 PM
Let's do everyone a favor, and spell this out.

66.1% of the population took home less than 50k per annum in 2009, and split 25.2% of the nation's annual income.

By contrast, those who took home more than $100k, represented 12.5% of the population, and took home 49.4 % of the nation's annual income.

This is from the IRS taxpayer data, for 2009.

I think those numbers speak for themselves, but it's nice to know we've turned back the clock a century, regarding the ...more
Aug 11, 11 5:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
Who knows what an "Egalitarianist" is?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 5:16 PM
This is my favorite paragraph from Einstein's 1949 article. My, how so much has changed...

"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 11, 11 9:56 PM
UMM- did you ever consider having a second job ZZZZ? A job for the season and one for the winter, that's been going on in our area for decades.
Phyllis: I pay my taxes and contribute by providing some jobs to LOCAL people.
How might you contribute to society? Do you even have a job or pay taxes? You sound like a parasite to me.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 12, 11 9:21 AM
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Have one.

Idiot.
Aug 12, 11 9:23 PM appended by Mr. Z
66.1%. "Trickle down economics" is a failure. With a fat, red, F.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 12, 11 9:23 PM
Got a nice check from Google this month.

Just so you know...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 12, 11 9:32 PM
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."

~ Albert Einstein, 1949
Aug 12, 11 9:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wall-streets-naked-swindle-20100405
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 12, 11 9:42 PM
Hey bf, this one's for you:

"If you squint hard enough, you can see that the derivative-driven economy of the past decade has always, in a way, been about counterfeiting. At their most basic level, innovations like the ones that triggered the global collapse — credit-default swaps and collateralized debt obligations — were employed for the primary purpose of synthesizing out of thin air those revenue flows that our dying industrial economy was no longer pumping into the financial ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 12, 11 9:52 PM
My people make enough during our 9 month season to manage quite nicely during the winter Phyllis. Some of them choose to work a second job, others do not, why is this any concern of yours? The pittance you contribute in taxes in comparison to someone who creates jobs, and more taxpayers makes you inconsequential. Back to the point-If the Verizon EMPLOYEES don't like their terms of employment, they are free to seek another job. The owners call the shots like it or not.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 13, 11 10:31 AM
I'll try putting this in the King's plain English.

You successfully run a business, create jobs, and your people have "enough", by comparison?

How foreign is that to 12.5% of the populace, garnering just shy of 50% from this nation's total income, and the way you run a business?

Let me buy you a clue into how a large retail business, "does business". They make the bulk of their employees "part time", and only give a full 40 hours to management. In addition, the part timers ...more
Aug 13, 11 8:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
Do you take home 6000x, by comparison, BS?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 13, 11 8:30 PM
Yeah.

It's called a "God Complex". Or, hubris. And, occasionally, megalomania.
Aug 14, 11 5:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
“And remember, where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control. History has proven that. All power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.”[ ~Lord Acton
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 5:03 PM
To the anti-capitalist left wing pseudo socialists- If you aren't happy with your financial situation , grow a pair and do something about it and quit bitching.
Thanks to the billionaire client for the awesome ELTON JOHN concert on Meadow Lane last night! May the rich get richer and may the trickle down economic success continue!
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 14, 11 10:31 AM
Amen!
Entrepreneurs have the vision, take the risk, put up the capital and work a zillion hours. If things are successful (which odds say they won't be) jobs are created and money is made and shared. The shared part is a wage that is either accepted or not accepted. If the endeavor fails the entrepreneur deals with a world of hurt. Nobody shares that hurt or financial loss.

So to all of those who have risked nothing and complain about your compensation you can either A) try opening ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 10:46 AM
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These rich, as Daily Telegraph chief political commentator Peter Oborne put it, have been nurturing “an almost universal culture of selfishness and greed.”

Have you tried getting a job in some fields these days? Have you spent tens of thousands on a degree?

Have you looked around the country at hiring halls, and when is the last time you were up against 30 other people, for the job opening?

Do us a favor, and shut the [expletive deleted] up.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 4:46 PM
66.1% of the country, making less than 50k a year, IS NOT successful. 75% of every "trickle down" dollar remaining in the top 10% coffers, is not success. 12.5% of the population, taking home 49% of the nation's income, is not success. The economic conditions of this country to date, nurtured by all the decisions make fiscally, and politically have led to FAILURE.

Please join "the real world", which I doubt you would, since you have become so priveleged, and comfortable in this microcosm ...more
Aug 14, 11 4:54 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also, I must add, your words carry so much more weight, considering you haven't actually been in the job market for almost twenty years...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 4:54 PM
And, for reference, o' stark raving genius, if these people at Verizon DO quit, I'd really like your input on exactly WHERE they would find an equally paying job in this simply stunning economy? Have you visited CareerBuilder lately? They have 4 WHOLE pages of jobs listed. Most of them are retail/sales oppurtunites, at less than $15/hr, and many of the other require a very expensive degree, such as the Systems Administrator, or Account Executive opening. Only 31 of them, have been posted in ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 5:29 PM
But, here's a tip.

If you can actually get a bank to loan you the startup money, you could have your own Pepperidge Farm distributorship...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 5:33 PM
Philat home wrote: A seasonal employer is a parasite,abandoning their employees during the off-season while the employer takes the prfits he made and runs to Florida or the Islands while his employees barely subsist on the unemployment they say the seasonal workers don't deserve.

+++

Do you know where you live? You are in the best part of Long Island. The reason why it's so great is because we have a vacationers visit in the summer. Those vacationers use services. Those services ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 10:38 AM
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BTW - Philathome
I have been unable to pay myself for about 2 months as I'm struggling to keep my business alive through this terrible economy.
I haven't missed paying my employees once. These are the things that don't go mentioned about the mean and horrible employers.

Parasites? Unbelievable.
Thank goodness I don't have any employees like P.A.H.
I sincerely hope his is the mindset of the radical minority.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 10:55 AM
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Personally, I thought it was funny.

As a stretch, and as an irony. Many "seasonal" businesses that come and go out here are "hit and run".

And usually, they ain't local...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 5:06 PM
And how are you so sure of my financial security? I have 3 months to right a ship that's taking on water. If not, 3 people get walking papers and I get a second job that offers benefits. Simple as that. You think small business owners are all rich? No way.

When I started my business I worked from 6:30-3:30 and weekends trying to build something out of nothing. I also worked 4-12's at a group home making $11/hr so I could get medical benefits. I did that for 3+ years. That's what it took, ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 9:02 PM
Z - seasonal businesses on the east end are not the problem. College kids are happy to have the summer jobs.

Small businesses are generally not the problem. How do you blame someone for offering a $12/hr job if that job is only worth $12/hr? If the job is filled then at the least it fit into someones criteria for employment.

You want to bash big business? I'm with you. You have a problem with the the greed of some of these CEO's? So do I. You think the separation between the rich ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 9:17 PM
"Hey,that's capitalism-sink or swim,you chose to go into business,if you can't make it,fold your business and go on welfare.Become what you hate."

===

100% right on the first part. I'm glad you know that.
As far as Welfare is concerned I don't hate it, I hate those who abuse it. Using it as a safety net for myself is not part of the equation.

Show me whining. I used my personal experiences (past and present) to illustrate some points to you. Unfortunately they were ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 10:11 PM
I would draw the line as well, when it comes to bashing anyone who works their behinds off, as well. Came up less than a day's hours, of putting in two weeks, during one more than once in my life.

What I find very intolerable, are those who manage to self-identify with "wealthy" clients, and claim the rest of us just don't work hard enough. I don't suffer fools who simplify things very well, because this world is not black and white.

I have grown weary of self righteous grandstanding ...more
Aug 14, 11 10:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, yes, I work for a small family business.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 10:33 PM
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So we agree on many points then, Z.
I just don't see how attacking small business because "they only pay $12/hr" makes any sense. How many $12/hr jobs have been created by small business? And for people to call them parasites is just completely out of bounds. Should an ice cream store stay open on main street in February? No, they'd lose money. So that makes them parasites for not employing people through the winter? That's what Philathome thinks. Of course his ideology is stymied by economic ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 15, 11 8:22 AM
Well, what our family business did was diversify, and offer other services which were not wholly seasonal to the warm months.

Yes, it does slow down, but we operate 12 months a year.

As for the "pursuit", every time I have been close in the past, prices just increased, pushing that "Golden Ring" further away. I've been known to be fairly creative now and then. Any way I could help you snag that rabbit?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 15, 11 8:59 PM
August 14, 2011, 10:31 a.m.
Biden was out on 1st neck again all weekend soon he may have nothing else to do but hang around the Hampton's with the verizon workers out side his house.
President Obama's summer woes have dragged his approval rating to an all-time low, sinking below 40% for the first time in Gallup's daily tracking poll.
New data posted Sunday shows that 39% of Americans approve of Obama's job performance, while 54% disapprove. Both are the worst numbers of his presidency.
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 14, 11 3:51 PM
Well, the approval number adds up to 59%, of the 66% of the nation, who bring home less than 50k per annum.

In a way, he has the majority, of the majority...
Aug 14, 11 6:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, I'd go as low as 50%, on that 59% for margin of error on those who make more than 50k liking him.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 6:00 PM
And your proud of that fact, lol redistribution of wealth to buy votes. The founding Fathers despised the like of you
By Undocumented Democrat (1700), southampton on Aug 14, 11 6:26 PM
Really?

And here, the History I learned was that they despised too much power, in too few hands.

Wouldn't have happened to notice anything like that lately, did you?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 6:31 PM
"...redistribution of wealth to buy votes."

Seems to me, that the upper 1% has done a pretty good job of that, what with owning 40% of the country, and tossing untold millions, even billions at Congress, and lobbyists.

That wouldn't be currying favor, to buy votes, with fiscal influence, now would it?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 6:35 PM
You believe that??? How do you hold a job? Man, it must be a blast having you for a colleague.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 9:19 PM
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No you didn't strike a nerve. It's just that if that there is zero evidence to your claim.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 9:59 PM
riiiiiiight.....

What specifically did you refute? I must have missed that.
I'm a member of the far right wing? I missed that too.
Personal attacks? Didn't you just call me a whiner 5 minutes ago?
You are so funny.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 14, 11 10:27 PM
I'll try again... do you really believe that the points in your Anarcho-syndicalism post are the views of those who disagree with you? You made the claim, not me.

Do you have any evidence at all, or can you point to anyone's post here that supports your claim?

Can you answer these questions without hyperbole?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 15, 11 8:06 AM
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Nope. Cutting and pasting from wiki doesn't make an argument.
Your claim was and still is baseless.
Whatever... these boards have the same same cast of characters (myself included) trading punches. I'll never agree with you, you'll never agree with me. We'll both walk away feeling good about that.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 8:40 AM
Some U.K. news, for good measure:

These rich, as Daily Telegraph chief political commentator Peter Oborne put it, have been nurturing “an almost universal culture of selfishness and greed.”

“It is not just the feral youth of Tottenham who have forgotten they have duties as well as rights,” he noted. “So have the feral rich of Chelsea and Kensington.”

“Feral politicians cheat on their expenses, feral bankers plunder the public ...more
Aug 14, 11 6:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Property is not the sacred right. When a rich man becomes poor it is a misfortune, it is not a moral evil. When a poor man becomes destitute, it is a moral evil, teeming with consequences and injurious to society and morality." ~ Lord Acton
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 6:05 PM
I see a wonderful opportunity for entrepreneurship by our own Randy Altschuler. He founded "Asian Tiger" to outsource American jobs to India. How about "in-sourcing" Indians to local American jobs? He could incorporate a new entity ("American Eagle"?) purposed to replace American workers such as those at Verizon with American Eagle Indian contract workers. Randy could then pay the Indian contract employees the Indian minimum wage while receiving the American minimum wage from Verizon for each ...more
Aug 14, 11 7:42 PM appended by highhatsize
Sorry, did I say MINIMUM American wage? In the interests of efficient free trade, let's make that few dollars LESS than minimum. Hell, as someone suggested below, Randy might bring down manufacturing costs here to the point where American workers could compete with the Chinese and we could start making computers in the good old USA. As a side benefit, American families would start enjoying healthful fresh air (since they would be homeless) and would change their eating habits to a heart-healthy vegetarian diet (basically, potatoes, maybe cabbage or turnips on special occasions.) Come on, Randy! Here's an opportunity that cries out for the visionary that you have shown yourself to be.
By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Aug 14, 11 7:42 PM
Well, just for reference, I built my own PC, and the case is 11 years old.

I did seek the best prices, waited for "Moore's Law" to kick in, and got reasonable hardware, at reasonable prices as new hardware hit the market.

When your average business sells product, the price is calculated via GM, or gross margin. As sales are made on the latest product, at it's inception market price, this technically reduces "cost". To make way for newer product, and so as not to take a complete ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 14, 11 10:48 PM
And an INCREASE in the standard of living fot those willing to actually WORK!
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 15, 11 7:27 AM
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sim·ple·ton (smpl-tn) n.
.
1. A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool.

Synonyms
dolt, fool, numskull, blockhead, ninny, dope, dingbat.



Aug 15, 11 9:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
So, 66% of the nation, is simply unwilling to work?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 15, 11 9:28 PM
Almost forgot to mention this.

How 'bout that "Hooverville" over in Jersey?

Stunning, isn't it?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 15, 11 9:54 PM
I'd like to send a public "Thank You", to Warren Buffet.

The voice of sanity this morning was rather comforting.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 15, 11 8:52 PM
With all due respect to Mr Buffett. He is out of touch. He has so much money and assets that he is living on a different planet than a person or business making 250K to 1 million per year. If you live in the North east and have a small business 250K is not a lot.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Aug 16, 11 10:19 AM
thats right Phil. So you thinking taxing their employers more will not have an indirect on them as well.

If you continue to gouge the rich then Peter Thiel's concept of creating a libetarian society in international waters may become a reality. Its an interesting concept that should frighten a socialist like you.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Aug 16, 11 11:11 AM
He stated that paying 17.5% as his effective tax rate was basically ludicrous.

Most of us pay at least 25%.
Aug 16, 11 8:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and for reference, anyone making less than a million, was NOT in his "gameplan".
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 8:40 PM
If you'd care to actually READ the op-ed, here's a link.
Aug 16, 11 9:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 9:22 PM
Phil, you are confusing the big C corporations with the small LLC's, S corporations and partnerships. These types of business are the back bone of America and are pass through entities meaning if you raise taxes on the ultra rich as you call it you raise taxes on them. This increase will indirectly effect their employees. The fact that you make a combined income of 10,000 says a lot. unless you have a disability or are mentally challenged their is no excuse for two people making that. Open up the ...more
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Aug 17, 11 6:58 AM
Phil. Cry me a river. We all have problems. I am super rich by your standards. I make over 250. I pay alimony, two kids in college at a clip of 85k per year, 3000 month mortgage payment, insurance expenses, property taxes, pressure of keeping business going, meeting payroll, young child at home who needs daycare and I can tell you I don't pay 17% in taxes. I still find time to donate my time and money to several worthy charities but for me to throw more money into the ineffective and wasteful federal ...more
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Aug 17, 11 8:45 AM
For anyone out there in media land I would like the answer to this one: If Unions are destroyed just where are the states like Florida, who basically rely on retirees, going to get their $$$$ from?
All the carping I hear from some Republicans about unions causing so much trouble makes me laugh. Some of you might have heard of The Villages a 80,000 retiree community in n/c Fla. It is THE largest city of retired folks in Fla. And it is entirely controlled by a Republican developer who answers ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 15, 11 9:19 PM
"Go where you may, search where you will. Roam through all the monarchies, and despotisms of the "Old World". Travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your "facts" by the side of the everyday practices of this nation. And, you will say with me:"

'For revolting barbarity, and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without rival.'

~ Frederick Douglass
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 15, 11 9:39 PM
I'm touched by your love for the poor. You live in Southampton, right? Why?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 9:27 AM
You know IT. Thats correct, You the man phil.You the Man.
By local 84 (324), riverhead on Aug 15, 11 10:57 PM
Not for nothing Phyllis but the scenario you painted all starts with a comission of a CRIME! Live a clean , productive life and your story has a happy ending. You should source your C&Ps,
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 16, 11 9:19 AM
Care for the poor!!! All the injustices!!! The inequalities!!!
All spewed from a computer on a desk in the bad, bad hood that is Southampton.

Being born poor is not a choice and it is sad. Dropping out of school, doing drugs, having children that you can't support, joining gangs, committing crimes are all choices. I had nothing to do with those choices and sure don't want to pay for them. Furthermore, the reason I live in Remsenburg is to be away from such nonsense. I have zero remorse ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 9:43 AM
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No kidding, Einstein. So what's your solution? Better question, what's a solution that they will accept and actually participate in for the betterment of themselves and communities?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 11:20 AM
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In order to go to college one must finish HS.
The breakdown starts long before kids get to HS.
Community and Infrastructure investment are broad terms. Exactly what would this investment be and how would it help? How would such an investment win the hearts and minds of the people you want to help? By building a community pool and re-paving roads you are going to keep kids in school and off drugs?
Your digs at the right neither help your point or offend me in the least. I'm not affiliated ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 12:55 PM
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Well, I was born right here in Southampton, and my family has resided here for four generations.

Meager by comparison to older families, but, the fifth isn't even out of grade school yet.

To tell you truthfully, both parents working two jobs, or one that may as well be two, just to survive and have anything, may be part of the problem. The longer the hours away from your children, increases the risk of not being as influential as one could be. It doesn't always lead to disaster, ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 8:49 PM
to double standard:

Simplistic and callous. Had YOU "chosen" different parents, you wouldn't be living in Remsenburg.
By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Aug 16, 11 10:13 AM
Perhaps yes, perhaps no. My father worked his way out of poverty. Maybe I would have too. No way to know.

Reality is sometimes simple and callous.
I read attack after attack here on success. Since when is success bad? What is happening to America? When did we get so politically correct that honesty became radical thought? Read the posts above and tell me that there isn't evidence of enabling and a desire to create a nanny state.
I'm callous and simplistic, but will never be your ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 10:36 AM
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Anytime you want to compare who has paid more in terms of salaries and taxes then I'll be happy to do so.

Educational and Employment opportunities will only go so far. You need to fix the completely broken family structure and corrupted values of the poor. Good luck with that. The most resistance you will face will not come from me, it will come from the very people you want to help.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 11:24 AM
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What are you talking about??? Who said anything about not paying taxes? You have zero ability to stay on point and an overwhelming ability to make things up.

True or false?
The biggest obstacles that poor people face are lack of family structure, bad choices and a value set that is not conducive to financial success. All of the above is learned behavior and almost certainly guarantees the cycle of poverty.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 12:48 PM
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Are you familiar with the Timothy Hill Ranch in Riverhead? In my opinion more money needs to be channeled to programs like that. Removing a kid from all of the negative influences on him/her gives the kid a fighting chance of breaking the chain.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 1:04 PM
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Negative. The causes are the family or lack thereof and the learned behavior that guarantees the cycle.

You tell me the better use of resources
A. Programs like Timothy Hill Ranch
B. Recreation Centers, painted buildings and a community pool
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 1:12 PM
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Lack of opportunity and the decay of the school system are byproducts of what I mentioned in my last post.

However, you want to blame someone (the right) and you don't want people (the poor) to take responsibility for their actions.

Your solution is to pump money into "the community and infrastructure." Big money and how do we measure success?

I say put the money into programs like Timothy Hill Ranch. Direct contact and measurable success rates.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 1:36 PM
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In some cases, yes. More to the point remove a child from all the negative influences of the community. Sometimes community is a bad thing depending on who makes up said community.

If you were a recovering alcoholic would you remove the booze from your home and stop hanging out with other alcoholics?
Or would you build a pool and blame the right for not taxing Budweiser enough?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 2:32 PM
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Define "culture of poverty"

Hint... I already did.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 5:52 PM
What is the value in dollars for the union health care plan?
By Duckbornandraised (180), Eastport on Aug 16, 11 11:37 AM
to double standard:

Coming from wealth, you will never know if, but for your father, you would be in the same class as those that you would ignore. Regardless, you still have that organ between your ears that is a bequest from your parents. Perhaps YOU could make the appropriate decisions to become wealthy since your forebear did. However, not everyone has the same cognition and perception. You might consider that the poor make self-defeating decisions, in part, because their perception ...more
By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Aug 16, 11 2:13 PM
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Gents, there is theory and there is practice. You are all long on theory.
You offer nothing in terms of practice.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 2:27 PM
Build your new schools. Fill them with new computers. Build some strip malls and offer tax breaks to the people who are willing to invest in those stores. Hire some people to work in those stores.

Your theory states that this is the solution.

But...

Will the drop out level decrease?
Will there be less crime?
Will gangs just go away?
Will the family unit become stronger?
Will families put an emphasis on education?
Will the mindset change?




By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 2:57 PM
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I read it. You want a point by point rebuttal to a 5 paragraph post?

All of these questions are still appropriate and you can't seem to answer

Will the drop out level decrease?
Will there be less crime?
Will gangs just go away?
Will the family unit become stronger?
Will families put an emphasis on education?
Will the mindset change?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 3:35 PM
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Hat, East Quogue is a nice place. Why do you live there?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Aug 16, 11 2:32 PM
How's the Demokrat WAR ON POVERTY working ? How many billions of wealth has been transferred? What has it accomplished? As long as the government pays folks not to work and guarantees them a raise every time they have another illigitimate child, we will continue to have a permenant underclass. The fact that SOME folks break the cycly of poverty proves that it can be done.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 16, 11 5:48 PM
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Unfortunately, when the people "at the top" blow the economy to smithereens, it does make it that much harder to get a job. Qualified, or otherwise.

A "safety net" is one thing. A permanent cycle of abuse, is another.

It's nice to see a little more substance in your posts.

By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 9:03 PM
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By They call me (2383), southampton on Aug 17, 11 1:24 PM
what an idiot......
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 16, 11 7:23 PM
"It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do,
what we gotta do, to survive."

~ Tupac Shakur

By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 8:52 PM
This may sound crazy as H-E double hockey sticks, but NOTHING will change as long as the acquistion of material wealth, is the driving force behind why members of "Humanity" choose to succeed.

Sure, there are those who simply say "I have enough", one home, maybe two cars, and money in the bank for the kid's education.

For others, that's just simply not enough. They NEED that Maserati. They NEED a 10,000 sq. ft. home. They just NEED to have tens of millions for trophies, excess, ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 8:59 PM
"My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice."

~ Warren Buffett, August 14, 2011

Aug 16, 11 9:25 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 16, 11 9:25 PM
As usual your envious nature is clouding your thought process. If you taxed every millionaire in the country at 70 % you would rake in 450 billion extra per year Obama and the Nancy Pelosi congress has added 4 trillion to the debt since 2006. Do the math... We need cuts to entitlements and tax cuts to get the economy moving. Punishing the business might make you feel good but its not going to do squat for job creation.
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 17, 11 11:26 AM
You and your union loving Ilk are suffocating the growth engine of our economy.You ideological dream is a sham and outside of Sag harbor and San Francisco and MSNBC everyone knows it. 1 More year and we set things right again. hopefully Scott Walker or Chris Cristie will get in the race in the next 2 months so we have a leader we can trust to due the right thing. Now I will let you go back to burying your head in the sand
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 17, 11 11:29 AM
Read the book.

I read "Tyranny", until I couldn't handle the sight of the word "statist" anymore...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 6:56 PM
They were given an 18% average tax rate. Jobs were not created.

They were given a "corporate tax holiday". Jobs were not created, but layoffs occurred.

They did nothing but pocket the money.

Get over it...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 3:36 PM
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How abut YOU buck up 70% Phyllis. The way to cut the defecit is by cutting spending! How hard is that to comprehend? There are so many wastefull, useless federal programs that should be eliminated. Also redundant programs that the states also have.Cut the corporate tax rate and some of the onerous business regulations that are choking the life out of any potential recovery.
By bigfresh (3610), north sea on Aug 17, 11 5:32 PM
I'd settle for 40%, 1M and up.
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 6:55 PM
HOLY SCORCHER, BATMAN!!!!

Read this, you'll LOVE it!
Aug 17, 11 6:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 6:59 PM
Can we end, at least, the debate about whether or not the Bush II tax cuts were "good" for the federal budget*.

Note that even one of the no-tax-restoration TP acolytes, above, admits that the deficit would be reduced by near $$3T dollars had the Bush II reductions never taken effect. (QUOTE: "If you taxed every millionaire in the country at 70 % [since 2006] you would rake in 450 billion extra per year. . . ")

It is time for the "fiscal conservatives" who have posted herein to ...more
Aug 17, 11 7:24 PM appended by highhatsize
* http://www.epi.org/publications/nyt/economists [Click] 13" X 21" ad
By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Aug 17, 11 7:24 PM
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Social welfare, and bailouts for the rich are OK. They create jobs. That's why unemployment is so low!

However, anything to give the middle class a leg up, has got to go, right?

More money has been handed to the "elite" in the last 4 years, than most of the social programs put together. The "bailouts" for the "elite" totaled 16 TRILLION dollars, for Christ's sake! And, that is just preliminary. They estimate the actual number the Treasury was raided for was closer to 28T.

Bush ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 9:15 PM
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By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Aug 18, 11 2:35 PM
Truthfully, HHS, they will most likely never "get it".

They will never understand how our system has been skewed by fraud, greed, malfeasance, chicanery, and the like. Too ignorant, and uninformed to make any kind of proper, objective decision. I really love how I am considered to be "blind with envy", when in reality I have just started over from scratch in April, with no safety net to catch me. I'm actually glad I didn't manage to own a home. Because if I did, I'd be royally (bleeped) ...more
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 9:44 PM
Laziness must also be the cause for this:
Aug 17, 11 9:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-08-1Achild08_ST_N.htm
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 17, 11 9:47 PM
KNOCK KNOCK: Judge rules today White House Visitor Logs Subject to FOIA Requests... Now you will see just how often the union bosses have been to the white house to give Mr. perpetual vacation his marching orders.
By joe hampton (3136), south hampton on Aug 18, 11 11:26 AM
Bush took 28 days or more during the Katrenia hurricance.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Aug 18, 11 6:42 PM
I don't know.

Andrew Jackson is pretty hard to top...
Aug 20, 11 4:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, Andrew JOHNSON. My bad...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 20, 11 4:03 PM
Wow, 207 comments to-date!

Amazing that in one of the most beautiful spots on Earth, in the middle of August, that so many people CHOOSE to peck away at their keyboards.

Perhaps you are at the beach in a WIFI zone?

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4873), Southampton on Aug 18, 11 7:03 PM
Possibly the allure of air conditioning?
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 20, 11 4:03 PM
How about getting back on ltrack History of these United States shows that UNIONS are the direct reason for the middle class. And I doubt that either joe hampton, Mr. z or big Fresh can be considered in the top 1% bracket. So you guys shut up until you get some education on true facts. If it wasn't for employes who walk the line I bet you wouldn't be sitting in front of a computer. I bet you'd be out there in the hot sun working for Mr. top 1%!
And I would like to know just what your source ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 20, 11 4:34 PM
#1. When did I EVER speak out against unions?

#2 I will say with a fair shake I labor as hard as, or harder than you on a daily basis. I don't need to go to the gym, my job keeps me fairly well built. No gut on me.

#3 joe and bf own their own small business. I'm 4th generation family business.

#4 When have I EVER bashed unions? Have I said something negative reagarding TAXPAYER funded unions? Yes. Their CEOs are usually not compensated as excessively as yours.

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By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 20, 11 4:45 PM
And, for reference HOT SHOT, I've read Howard Zinn. I know my History.

AND, I know abuse when I see it. TAXPAYER funded unions have abused the system. Employees like Verizon's are not only abused at the heiarchy elite's pleasure, but the people who pay for their services are as well.

How much less expensive would a cell phone, and service be if CEO pay at Verizon was cut by 250 million dollars?

Get back to me when you finish doing the math...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 20, 11 4:54 PM
Anybody remember the "Bonus Army"?

Wait until SS can't be paid...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Aug 20, 11 6:24 PM
You made your point.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Aug 21, 11 1:14 PM
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