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Oct 26, 2011 1:41 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton High School Student Will Not Return To School After Shotgun Arrest, District Says

Nov 2, 2011 11:51 AM

A 17-year-old Southampton High School senior who was arrested by Southampton Village Police for bringing a shotgun onto school grounds last Wednesday will not be allowed to return to school, Southampton Superintendent of Schools Dr. J. Richard Boyes said on Wednesday morning, following a superintendent’s disciplinary hearing on Tuesday.

The school has agreed, however, to home-tutor the student so that he may graduate with his class in June, according to the teen’s attorney, Brian J. DeSesa of Edward Burke Jr. and Associates in Sag Harbor, who called the outcome of Tuesday’s hearing “fair.”

While the long-term suspension that resulted from that hearing wraps up the teen’s case before the district administration, he still faces criminal charges.

But Mr. DeSesa maintained this week that the shotgun discovered in his client’s car on the morning of October 26 was an inoperable antique gun belonging to a friend that the student forgot was in the car. The teen never intended to threaten anyone, he said.

Police said that under the law, there is no difference between an operable or an inoperable gun, when it comes to filing charges, although it can make a difference in prosecution. They cited case law that requires that a gun be capable of firing a projectile for successful prosecution. The Suffolk County Crime Lab in Hauppauge is testing the gun for operability, police said.

The student, who pleaded not guilty to one count of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree, a misdemeanor, during an arraignment last Wednesday, returned to Southampton Village Justice Court on Monday morning, when the case was adjourned until December 5. The courtroom was sealed during the proceeding because of the teen’s age.

“It was an innocent mistake,” Mr. DeSesa said immediately following the adjournment. Seated beside Mr. DeSesa in the lobby was his client, dressed in a white collared shirt with a blue tie and suit jacket, and his client’s father, similarly dressed. The Press is withholding their identities because of the teen’s age.

The teen was arrested after Village Police said they found the unloaded 20-gauge Stoeger shotgun in plain sight on the backseat floor of his 2009 Jeep Wrangler, which was locked and parked in the school parking lot. No ammunition was found in the car.

Shortly after 9 a.m. that day, Superintendent of Schools Dr. J. Richard Boyes said, a school security guard overheard the student talking to another student about the gun. Dr. Boyes said he did not know the nature of the conversation, but said no threats were uttered.

“Security went out to investigate and saw the gun in plain sight in the vehicle,” Dr. Boyes said. The guard stayed until police arrived, the superintendent said.

But according to Mr. DeSesa, the teen never talked to anyone about the gun and remembered it was in the car only when he saw a crowd gathering around the Jeep. “He wasn’t talking about it,” he said.

Police said they received a call from the school’s director of security at 9:49 a.m. Upon arrival at the Narrow Lane school, officers had the student—who was being held by security—unlock the Jeep. Police confiscated the shotgun and said no ammunition was in the Jeep.

The teen, who officers said has a previous arrest record, was taken into custody at 11:44 a.m. in the parking lot and charged with criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree. The Jeep was impounded, police said. Officers said the weapon was legally possessed by the student’s friend.

According to Mr. DeSesa, the gun is owned lawfully by the teen’s friend and is a relic of aesthetic value that is part of a collection and does not fire. The student and his friend were watching television together the night before the incident, and the friend left his gun in the teen’s car overnight. Mr. DeSesa said the teen did not realize it was still in the car the next morning when he drove to school, about two blocks away.

Police said last week that they didn’t believe that the student intended to threaten or harm anyone with the gun. “It wasn’t an act of intimidation as far as we know,” Village Police Chief Thomas Cummings said on Thursday. “You never know what’s inside somebody’s head, but there’s no outward indication that that was the intent.”

According to Chief Cummings, the teen was uncooperative with police, but told officers that he had forgotten the gun was in the car and that the weapon belonged to his friend. “I was only transporting it for him,” the teen is quoted as saying in a police report.

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I'm very sorry for the young student but it is unacceptable to bring any type of assault weapons to school. He should be disciplined and this should set an example for other students not to do the same. To many things happening in school these days. Thank you SH Public Schools for the prompt response as well as the calls and emails to parents.
By hamptonmom (5), southampton on Oct 26, 11 2:46 PM
The article stated that the recovered firearm was a shotgun. From that, how does one infer that we're talking about an "assault weapon"?
By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Oct 26, 11 3:29 PM
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The mother may not know the names of all the different types guns. but to her it is an assault wepon. A gun is a gun and bullets kill.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Oct 26, 11 3:37 PM
Because someone thinks a firearm is an "assault weapon" by flawed deduction does not make it so.

Besides, knowing the names of different types of guns wasn't necessary; the type of gun was provided in the article.

By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Oct 26, 11 5:34 PM
stop souding like an idiot. Any weapon is an assault weapon. what's the difference if the hole is .223 or 20 gauge. It's still a hole and if it was in your thick head "you done been assaulted".
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Oct 26, 11 9:01 PM
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By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Oct 27, 11 1:28 PM
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By Paramarine (26), Raleigh, NC on Oct 27, 11 11:06 PM
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I don't have to quote the name of the gun. An assault weapon according to the law is anything that can be used to kill, hurt or injure. We don't know the students intentions. He was talking about it to other students, so how can he not remember the gun was in the car. I still think that having a gun on school grounds is unacceptable. I don't care if you went hunting before or are going after school. Too many things happening in our schools. Again, I commend the school's response to the incident. ...more
By hamptonmom (5), southampton on Oct 28, 11 1:06 PM
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This child does not have a clean record, he is currently on ACOD by the Town of East Hampton, so how can he be a youthful offfendor if he doesnt have a clean record?? reveal his name
By bsanders123 (3), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 2:59 PM
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You seem to know alot about him... It sounds almost as if you have some sort of issue with him. This "child" is exactly that, a child under the age of 18. He has not been convicted of this charge so how can you question what his status is as a youthful offender? Why slur his name? Do you know what that does to a kid and his future standing in a community of this size? Do you know how it makes a parent feel? How would you feel seeing your own childs name in print or hearing it on the radio? Have ...more
By Slim Pickens (19), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:59 PM
I agree with you. I am shocked and appalled of how a community jumps to conclusions and crucifies a child before the world. My children attend the HS and feel a great deal of sorrow towards this situation including their friends. Certainly my initial response was concern but NO trigger, NO bullets, NO intent to do harm, NO threats, ........NO eminent danger. The kid forgot about this nonworking piece of metal in the car - don't tar and feather him. Hoping all will turn out well.
By chrys (1), southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:12 AM
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First it was not my intention to like chrys's comment. Clicked on the wrong spot. I disagree with you and Slim Pickens. Now let me say by now everyone knows who this "child" is. His past actions and now a shotgun on school grounds should be enough to wake every parent up!!! Nobody wants to crucify him. We just want our school to be a safe place for EVERYONE! The "nonworking piece of metal in the car" DID NOT BELONG ON SCHOOL GROUNDS!!!!! PERIOD.
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:13 PM
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Used to be we were a great rural community. Maybe he was going goose hunting after school.
By noted (8), quogue on Oct 26, 11 3:05 PM
goose season starts november 24th so no...
By bsanders123 (3), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 3:10 PM
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Good Call
By whataboutthekids69 (1), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:40 PM
smells like the "friend" who owns the gun is the irresponsible parent not yet mentioned in this story...
By Vikki K (487), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 3:21 PM
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since when does a "friend" mean it was a parent??? His/her friend could very well be just a friend!
By NativeWoman (14), southampton on Oct 26, 11 3:35 PM
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Are you kidding me? Where would you even come up with the idea of an "irresponsible parent"? These speculative remarks are SO frustrating! (and inaccurate)
By S'hamptonNative (78), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:33 PM
Don't need a permit for a long gun. So with what offense was he charged? The story never says.
By bailey (52), East Hampton on Oct 26, 11 3:29 PM
I see the story has been updated to include the charge. Thanks!
By bailey (52), East Hampton on Oct 26, 11 3:41 PM
He brought a fraking gin to school
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 26, 11 3:55 PM
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http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0265.01_265.01.html
(3) He or she knowingly has in his or her possession a rifle, shotgun
or firearm in or upon a building or grounds, used for educational
purposes, of any school, college or university, except the forestry
lands, wherever located, owned and maintained by the State University of
New York college of environmental science and forestry, or upon a school
bus as defined in section one hundred ...more
By Duckbornandraised (181), Eastport on Oct 26, 11 4:15 PM
bsanders- How could you possibly know that this student has a record if his name was not revealed????
By NativeWoman (14), southampton on Oct 26, 11 3:33 PM
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I know who the student is because of friends/siblings in the school
By Southampton810 (10), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 4:04 PM
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the kid had a gun on school grounds after previous incidents at other schools in the united states this kid should be locked up no questions asked most likely the kid had and the intention to hurt or scare someone.
By timmyjoyfield (2), southamton on Oct 26, 11 3:47 PM
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Most likely he had an intention to hurt or scare someone? Where does that come from? Is that the way you think? Is that how you would act? I didn't read anything about intent in the article. I read just the opposite. There was no ammunition found and there were no threats against anyone.
By Slim Pickens (19), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 6:15 PM
Are you kidding me....
By sluggoct (3), Waterbury on Nov 4, 11 2:47 PM
he should be expelled from this school and all schools on the eastern end of long island.
By timmyjoyfield (2), southamton on Oct 26, 11 3:47 PM
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so you want him expelled from schools he doesnt even go to?

Im not sure thats in line with the Due Process that we teach our kids.
By tm (174), mtk on Oct 26, 11 5:08 PM
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You have to be real careful around schools my friend was going upstate last year he pick up his son from soccer had all his gear in the back of his car. six inches of his gun case was exposed somone call the cops he was arrested and all guns taken from him with no ammo in the car.
By Enjoy LI (5), Mattituck on Oct 26, 11 4:00 PM
I graduated in 2000 from SHS and I brought my shot gun to school all the time as did many of the other guys who would shoot before and after school. And when I was in middle school a teacher showed us his pistol after school one day. And we were told stories of how years ago students could bring their long guns into shop to work on them. If the guns are stored in the vehicle in the legal manner (magazine open and ammo locked in a separate box) what's the problem it would be legal if the boy was ...more
By greenmonster (18), southampton on Oct 26, 11 4:24 PM
i might be wrong but i think he isn't allowed to be in possession of the gun because it wasn't his and he's also not 18
By Southampton810 (10), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:04 PM
you can have a shotgun in your possession at 16, you cant have it registered to you though
By SHlocal12 (16), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 9:36 PM
Eventually I would like to know this students name so students in the community know to stay clear if he is dangerous. But right now I think your right about withholding his name until all the facts are in. Scary stuff
By GoldenBoy (332), EastEnd on Oct 26, 11 4:25 PM
Ohh make no mistake, every single kid and parent know who it is, things like this spread like wildfire. The article may not be able to print his name but every kid in that school went home and said "guess what so and so did!!" then all the parents played telephone.
By xtina72 (7), East Quogue on Oct 27, 11 6:59 AM
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From the comments posted it sounds like it's just hunting season to me, only I wonder what is being hunted. Yes, unfortunately the ills of society have brought new legislation regarding "weapons" on school grounds.

I've seen a case where a young child brought camping mess kit into school (with a knife) which turned into a federal case. That legislation is important don't get me wrong, but exactly what was this young man charged with- possession? Also he was suspended awaiting a ...more
By semi local (16), southampton on Oct 26, 11 4:32 PM
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Bottom line, you can't bring weapons onto school property. The parking lot is part of the school, a gun in plain sight, does raise a few eyebrows. Riflery is not currently an extracurricular on the campus of SHS so - let's keep the guns out of school. Let's keep the kids with books in their hands, and weapons locked up somewhere safe. Is this really an unreasonable request?
By bchgrl83 (52), Westhampton Beach on Oct 26, 11 5:09 PM
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Not that I'm supporting this young man's actions, like I said a lesson learned...hopefully! The suspension doesn't keep a book in his hand The taxpayers will pay for his education outside of school is this disciplinary hearing proves to keep him out of school. The point I am trying to make is that while it is wrong to bring a weapon to school that is a law enforcement issue, not an educational one. The taxed payer will be paying for his education either way. Education has nothing to do with enforcing ...more
By semi local (16), southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:49 PM
This kid doesn't hunt. All the people bringing up the possibilities of it being for anything other than harming another individual are wrong, sadly.
By Shalumni11 (1), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:36 PM
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That's an extremely harsh accusation. Perhaps you should find out factual details before you come to your own conclusions. No- he shouldn't have a gun, and ye-s he should be severely punished, BUT his intention was not to hurt anyone.
By S'hamptonNative (78), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 6:31 AM
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For those of you wondering what he did wrong, read the Board of Education "Code of Conduct", here's a link (read the top of page 3): http://www.boarddocs.com/ny/shufsd/Board.nsf/files/8KR2HW02524D/$file/Code%20of%20Conduct%20-%20Policy%20%235300.pdf
It doesn't matter if he was hunting or trying to hurt someone, if it was his or his friends, you CANNOT have a gun at a school! Although we shouldn't crucify this boy, he must be held accountable for his actions. If we don't want follow established ...more
By S'hamptonNative (78), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 5:46 PM
This is very disturbing in light of the previous article concerning bullying at Southampton High School. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason for a gun, loaded or not, to be on school grounds. Period.
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 26, 11 7:25 PM
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Funny, because the same kid who DIDNT get punished for the bullying in the last article is the same kid.....
By Southampton810 (10), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:47 AM
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By Southampton810 (10), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:47 AM
I know and the lack of disciplinary action regarding his bullying does not sit well with me. This behavior now is even scarier.
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 27, 11 7:59 PM
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i'm willing to bet that he will be back to school in less than 2 weeks and it's won't be on his record, EVEN THOUGH he violated his ACOD.
By Southampton810 (10), Southampton on Oct 31, 11 5:49 PM
You cannot single out this individual. If he is to be charged that means every child who leaves a shotgun in their car must be treated the same way. Hunting used to be a favorite past time; it was not uncommon to see shotguns in vehicles at the high school. Times have changed (post Columbine), and while I understand and agree that guns now need to be eliminated from school grounds, I would caution that you all understand the implications of trying to exact capital punishment on this individual. ...more
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 7:40 PM
Good question about the police. I think they really do pick and choose what they want the public to know which is wrong. Parents have a right to know what is going in school, both good and bad. Come on parents stand up and demand to be informed!!
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 26, 11 7:54 PM
NO GUNS AT SCHOOL that is the rule.
It doesn't matter what type of gun.
It doesn't matter what the motive.
It doesn't matter who the kid is.
The rule is NO GUNS AT SCHOOL... do you wanna send your child to a school where there are raging hormones, erratic teenage behaviors, drugs, and god knows what else Should we add guns to this..Do you want your child to be in a school where they are standing around saying well.... maybe this is a nice kid and he brought it in by mistake? It's ...more
By Tufeather (2), East Nassau on Oct 26, 11 8:20 PM
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By c'mon now (46), southampton on Oct 26, 11 8:51 PM
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Bottom line, don't bring a GUN to school......
By 1640sWhaler (72), Sag Harbor/Easthampton on Oct 26, 11 9:01 PM
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maybe he forgot it was in his car from deer hunting the day before, or maybe his friend left it in there and he really forgot about it, which considering it was left in plain sight, he most likely did. no one would leave a gun in plain sight unless you're challenged mentally. some of you people jump to conclusions too quick
By TheRealness (3), Southampton on Oct 26, 11 10:50 PM
NO SCATTERGUNS AT SCHOOL.

No matter what. I don't even give a **** if it's doe season.
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 27, 11 12:55 AM
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born and raised, would NEVER bring my shot gun to school, NEVER! Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Judge Wilson, (who went through the school system) seems to think that it was inappropriate too. Especially in this day and age, you never know who's going to have a bad day.
By just breath (82), yuck on Oct 27, 11 5:59 AM
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Times have changed, even in rural communities which Southampton no longer is. I went SHS in the late 70's and many brought their shotguns to school when in season for hunting. However with the spate of shootings around the country at Schools its no longer acceptable to bring guns to school. Period

I think the kid getting arrested is harsh but suspension is appropriate. A signal has to be sent. We are no longer living in a bubble, just look at the stabbing in Bridgehampton last week and ...more
By North Sea Citizen (499), North Sea on Oct 27, 11 6:52 AM
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What the heck does hunting have to do with this, the lad wasn't hunting before school or after school and it doesn't matter if he is a north sea hick with a leaf stained toyota luv truck or not. It turns out that shotguns are for aiming, shooting and killing. And unless there was going to be aiming, shooting and killing at school, there is no need to bring the gun. Capiche?
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 6:59 AM
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North Sea hick? You cannot know North Sea very well if you think that. Shame on you.
(Did not mean to hit Like!)
By SusieD (109), Southampton on Oct 28, 11 6:59 PM
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I agree.

Most of my generation preferred "dirtbag".
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 31, 11 1:24 PM
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yes we did, mr z. kinda funny how one can look back on such a derogatory term with such affection.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Oct 31, 11 6:27 PM
Wow maybe if we started holding drunk drivers on the East end for $10,000 bail we might see a decrease in DWIs.
By DogLover (14), Wainscott on Oct 27, 11 8:02 AM
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By HarborDad (37), Sag Harbor on Oct 27, 11 8:16 AM
How many kids in High School have a previous arrest record? Please don't call a 17 yr old a "child ", that is just dumb ! Sounds like he just didn't give a s-- if anyone spotted the shotgun or not ( Really, I forgot it was there ! ? ) Probably not going to make Honor Roll this quarter ! Betcha Mom & Dad have no idea ( or just don't care ) what there little boy has been up to ! Do they offer a course yet in dealing drugs or armed robbery ?
By Bill in Riverhead (190), Riverhead on Oct 27, 11 9:57 AM
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It's hunting season. If I recall correctly, when I was in high school, before the area became a suburb of Nassau County; a lot of students had hunting licenses on the back of their jackets and gun racks with guns in their cars at school. But that was a different time and culture, only 30 years ago.
By Old School (22), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 12:01 PM
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By bsanders123 (3), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 1:48 PM
excuse me bsanders but i guarantee i know this kid a lot better than what the news puts out about him or the gossip that you hear from other parents around southampton. although he might of had 3 felony CHARGES, they were dropped because he completed his community service and cooperated w the legal system. these charges were also not assault crimes so what makes you think he's gonna go into the school w an unloaded gun which he has no bullets for, and hurt someone? school suspension is obvious, ...more
By TheRealness (3), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 2:34 PM
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I dont knwo this kid from a hole in the wall, but I don't see how anyone can defend his actions. I'm not too sure of the laws, but if he was pulled over on his way to school, and the officer saw the shotgun on his backseat, he would be arrested. So why in the world, would he get a free pass from charges for bringing the gun onto school grounds (which warrants additional charges), imo "TheRealness" just because he completed community service doesn't exonerate him from his previous actions, (had ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Oct 27, 11 3:05 PM
How do you know it was he who brought the weapon onto school grounds? The weapon was in a car that he wasn't even in when it was discovered. Was the car locked when the weapon was discovered? He is a minor. Was he given his Miranda rights? Was he provided with a lawyer before making statements to the police? If he did make the statements as the police alledge he did are those statements admissable in a court of law? How do you know that he would have gotten off so lightly had he not been a minor ...more
By Slim Pickens (19), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 6:06 PM
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Yes Realness he did serve his community service and the charges were dropped but he is still on ACOD for those charges so those charges could and should be brought back into play. Just because he served his community service doesnt mean you just forget that he isn't an innocent child and doesn"t have a previous record because he does. Just because they weren't assault charges doesn't mean anything, they were charges based on him vandalizing multiple cars. Let me say this as well vandalizing sounds ...more
By bsanders123 (3), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 3:45 PM
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It is quite obvious that you have issues with this person. People like this 17 year old are products of their environment. They haven't been on this earth long enough to realize the consequences of their reactions to their immediate environment. Before continuing to judge this individual why don't you look in the mirror and see that you are also a product of your environment. The difference between he and you is that you are older and as such should know better. I think an appropriate phrase is...."let ...more
By Slim Pickens (19), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 4:42 PM
It really doesnt matter what we think. If this kid has a troublemaker reputation in school why wouldnt they take this seriously?Hes not only stupid but arrogant. Ya cant fix stupid.
By squeaky (288), hampton bays on Oct 27, 11 3:46 PM
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Stop making stupid comments about someone you don't even know. You are the stupid and arrogant one.
By Thetruth8 (2), East Hampton on Oct 27, 11 5:11 PM
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Where does it say I dont know this kid?
By squeaky (288), hampton bays on Oct 28, 11 1:58 PM
a parent that allows a 17 year old to drive to school with a shotgun in the car is an irresponsible parent...that is not an assumption it is a fact...tha person is a minor and needs the supervision of a parent who knows what he is up to...whether or not the area is a hunting are or not...in fact out west where hunting is more common they are extremely careful with guns, not carelessly leaving them around and forgetting where the guns are located...if you handle guns properly it is not possible to ...more
By Vikki K (487), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 4:07 PM
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Anyone who is saying he should be locked up or punished is just wrong. It was not loaded, it wasn't theirs, and forgot it was there. You cannot make these kinds of judgments about someone and you should all go take your opinions elsewhere. You do not know this kid and should be quiet.
By Thetruth8 (2), East Hampton on Oct 27, 11 5:09 PM
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I didnt know the kids that committed the columbine shooting either, but that doesn't mean that I shouldnt have an opinion about it (and an acccurate one at that). If I bring an unloaded gun onto that schools campus, I would certainly be arrested. So why shouldn't he?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Oct 27, 11 5:25 PM
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Has it occurred to anyone that maybe this young man needed protection from other students? I have it on good authority that he had been threatened by other students. And clearly, the gun was not loaded and there were no bullets found in the car, so he had no intention of using it to hurt anyone.
By l0vin6m0th3r (2), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 6:26 PM
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Somehow I doubt he needed protection.seriously.
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:27 PM
how does anyone know he didn't have amo around somewhere? Why is this even a discussion? NO GUNS IN SCHOOL!
By just breath (82), yuck on Oct 27, 11 8:06 PM
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if you read the article, you would've saw that they clearly said there was no ammunition in the gun or car.
By TheRealness (3), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:46 PM
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what about hidden in the school, outside the school, a friend bringing it in for him. Are we really going to take that chance?!
By just breath (82), yuck on Oct 28, 11 5:55 AM
This boy is a NICE young man. HE DIDN'T HAVE AMMO.
By l0vin6m0th3r (2), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:28 PM
Just a shotgun.
By fdp (23), southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:30 PM
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everyone is making judgments on this kid for no reason. obviously a kid shouldnt have a gun on school property but if he was intending to do anything with it wouldnt he make sure it was a functional gun first? and why would he just leave it clearly visible? People writing "child" like he doesnt count as a kid just because he made a mistake cant be serious. it makes you look stupid to be judging this kid when anyone who knows him knows that he would never come to school with a gun as a way to threaten ...more
By marinerfan11 (1), Southampton on Oct 27, 11 8:52 PM
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More parochial reactions from a community whose perspective has been warped by five generations of the most restrictive (and likely unconstitutional) gun laws in the United States. This kid left an unloaded shotgun in plain sight in a car in the school parking lot. There was no ammunition in the car. A Swiss Army knife is more dangerous.

He was appropriately arrested but the $$10K bail was asinine. The kind of irrational hysteria shown by posts here and by the judge's outrageous bail ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Oct 27, 11 9:59 PM
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Your post is about nothing more than your hate for the police. Clearly you do not have children. I do. You think the posts here show an "irrational hysteria"? I bet the friends and relatives of these families would disagree

Feb. 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

Feb. 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.

Oct. ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 28, 11 8:42 AM
Sept. 26, 2000 New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.

Jan. 17, 2001 Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.

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By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 28, 11 8:42 AM
The different, bullets!
By bb (796), Hampton Bays on Oct 28, 11 3:38 PM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Oct 30, 11 11:37 AM
So if a handful of examples justifies your position, then I guess you'll be ending your support for illegal immigrants after this. They seem far more dangerous than an unloaded shotgun:

Mary Nagle, a wife and mother of two, who was raped and murdered by an illegal alien who came to her home to power wash her porch. If that wasn't bad enough, the perpetrator used Mary Nagle's own cell phone to call her sisters and friends describing how he sexually abused her. Read about the tragic story ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Oct 30, 11 11:39 AM
there are NO judgments in this, just a shot gun, No further questions!
By just breath (82), yuck on Oct 28, 11 5:56 AM
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Nice try highhatsize but your uses of parochial, warped, restrictive, unconstitutional, asinine, irrational, hysteria, outrageous and deplorable reflect a yeoman's attempt to "flip the script" but in the spirit of disclosure you should come clean with the fact that a solid 80% of your 984 comments are used to disparage local police departments. This leaks into your response for every story there is and thus, you lack objective credibility. Fluff aside, the kid was wrong, the school and the cops ...more
Oct 28, 11 6:31 AM appended by Local 43
that's quite a work of fiction there hat. again, nice try but we ain't buying with the hat's got cookin'.
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Oct 28, 11 6:31 AM
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Last time I looked, HHS DOES NOT HATE the police. Just 'cause you don't LIKE someone you love at the moment, doesn't mean you have them, does it?

He merely feels like many others in this community who don't make alot of money, that the price they exact on the taxpayers of this community "to protect, and serve" is so lopsided by comparison, that it feels more like paying up with extortionists to some of them.

We need them, and what they do, but look at the disparate cost. Per ...more
Oct 28, 11 4:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, should have read: "doesn't mean you HATE them, does it?".
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 28, 11 4:14 PM
i agree with you fully, mr z. However, just because the cops around here are overpaid (I agree with that) doesn't mean that they don't conduct themselves with the level of proffesionalism that their position requires. The fact is that the police did everything here by the books, but some would like to demonize them when their only fault seems to be too high of a number on their paycheck, rather than a laspe in their protective duties.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Oct 28, 11 7:36 PM
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To a degree, I must say I concur.

That is the most lucid, intelligent, passionate arguement, I have heard in some time.

Justice Wilson chose harshly, no matter how her heart broke over it. Being a "judge". is one of the most honorable position to aspire to. Being a justice, that requires wisdom.

She has a level of character, which should be admired...
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 30, 11 3:33 AM
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to progressnow:

Your ultimate posts proclaim your inability to analyze this incident rationally. There was NO ammunition in or near the shotgun. Had the same circumstance prevailed in the obsessive list of cases that you have posted, NO ONE would have been hurt. It is appropriate to treat this as a serious lapse in judgment by the perpetrator but one that hardly justifies tarring and feathering him as "concerned citizens" have advocated herein.

Firearms are useful and dangerous ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Oct 28, 11 10:11 AM
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I stand corrected HHS, it is closer to 54%. I did conduct a thorough actuarial analysis of your archived posts. I've also looked up gelignite. There is only one conclusion to be drawn here, in my opinion. You sir are afflicted with sesquipedalian loquaciousness, not an admirable trait of one who is so determined to communicate. Many times the points of your posts are lost in ridiculous flosculations. Please consider this a synallactic post but I've got my rods and cones in my cornea, via my ...more
Oct 29, 11 7:48 AM appended by Local 43
No neologisms here, and easy on that word, it could be misconstrued...look 'em up. Perhaps my hatsize is higher?
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Oct 29, 11 7:48 AM
to Local 43:

"Well intentioned!" as the old TV color commentator Toby Charles used to say whenever a soccer player's shot on goal went far of the net.

However, if you are going to employ neologisms, you have to choose ones for which a consensus has been reached on their definitions or your communication becomes gibberish.

Moreover, while I applaud your recourse to the archive, your continued exaggeration of my posts on the police indicates that your "actuarial" analysis ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Oct 29, 11 11:01 AM
highhatsize, you accused people of an hysterical reaction of bringing a gun to school. I gave you a number of reasons why that reaction is not hysterical at all given our country's violent school shooting history.

I did not make any parallels but provided valid rationale for the reactions you are incapable of understanding because you cannot see beyond your own personal politics. This turned out to be nothing. Great. Everyone is relieved, but that does not negate the gut reaction ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 31, 11 12:50 PM
On this singular subject:

School security overhead kids discussing the gun, security did their due diligence and went to check it out.
Cops were called, as is appropriate.
Cops had the kid unlock his car... no ammo was found, just the shotgun.
Cops then arrested the kid after he was being "uncooperative"..
Taken into custody and charged.
Shotgun was legally registered to a friend.

This sounds pretty much by the book. It's common sense... not rocket science.
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Oct 28, 11 1:14 PM
Pretty much by the book? Define "uncooperative".. How would you like your 17 year old child questioned by the police without a parent or attorney present to advise him?
By Slim Pickens (19), Southampton on Oct 28, 11 3:04 PM
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If they did something stupid.. then by all means. Bringing a gun to school, loaded or not... is STUPID. Not only is that action illegal, anyone with a brain in their head could figure out why.

"Uncooperative".. stated by the Chief of PD. Read the story.

So, again... if my child was that dumb, I'd absolutely allow the police to question him.. I'd be there of course, just to possibly smack some sense into his thick head. you have to learn one way or another. Life is a fabulous teacher!
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Oct 30, 11 12:58 PM
Wise man once say:

"Any tool may be a weapon, but not every weapon is a tool."
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 28, 11 4:41 PM
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its' clear which of the two you are mr. z.
Oct 29, 11 6:10 AM appended by Local 43
I couldn't resist so and its abnormally early for me. But I take this back. "Keep Calm and Carry On."
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Oct 29, 11 6:10 AM
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Yes, I do read every post I can...

HAPPY HALLOWEEN, MA'AN...
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 30, 11 3:43 AM
Maybe he was going trap shooting after school.
By Draggerman (815), Southampton on Oct 29, 11 11:08 AM
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Gun + School grounds = bad idea.
The crime he's being charged with states that a person knowingly
possesses any (list of weapons.)
Is having the gun in the car considered possession?
Not sure if he'll be found guilty of the crime. He's certainly guilty of lacking common sense.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 11 11:23 AM
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I agree that he should be charged with bringing a gun to school. In this day and age it is a no brainer that guns and school do not mix. Ignorance of the law is not a plea. However, there are a lot of posters who need to get a clue when discussing firearms. Your ignorance on the subject is comical.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Oct 29, 11 11:59 AM
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"maybe he was hunting before school, maybe he was going trap shooting, maybe he didn't have hidden ammo, maybe, maybe, maybe" NO GUNS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY!!!

By just breath (82), yuck on Oct 30, 11 12:54 PM
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An unfortunate incident all the way around. Should an example be made of the mistake made by this young man to deter others from doing something similar that shows such poor judgment? Perhaps. But we should also remember that a child's future is at stake here. And yes, a 17 year old is a child.
By nancyloo (11), Southampton on Oct 31, 11 1:12 PM
yes, this child's future is at stake, That's why he should know that rules are put in place for a reason. The school policy says, "that no weapons are allowed on school property". The last time I checked a gun is a weapon, whether it's used for animals, or humans. the end result is the same. A gun can do harm. The problem here is that the rules apply to some and not to others. It's time that the school policy should apply to everyone. This young man will go through life thinking that rules and policies ...more
By betturner@spsk12.net (1), southampton on Nov 1, 11 8:54 AM
Update:

NO GUNS ON SCHOOL GROUNDS.

The penalties are for this type of offense are heavy, but most likely will not be levied with full force once all the facts of the case are presented. Regardless of the reason, a secondary school is not the place for weapons.

This was a SERIOUS lapse in judgement on this young man's part, but not something that should haunt him for the rest of his life. I'm sure Justice Wilson will be impartial, and he will have some serious amounts ...more
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 31, 11 1:18 PM
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IF (and I stress IF), as his attorney says, the gun was inoperative, is it still a gun, or simply an assembly of wood and metal?
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 31, 11 5:24 PM
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A bayonnet could still be used as a weapon, even if it could not fire.

Though no ammunition may be available, the butt of a rifle still makes a very fine club.
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 31, 11 5:34 PM
As does a lacrosse stick. Shall we ban sporting goods from students" vehicles?

By the way, bayonets NEVER fire. Do you have a point? A clue?
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 31, 11 5:48 PM
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Pardon, the "IT" being a gun (you pompous a**) is still a weapon.

The gun had NO business on the premisis. Operable, or not.

As I stated, the full measure of the law will most likely not be brought to bear.
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Oct 31, 11 8:36 PM
The crime is KNOWINGLY bringing a gun on school property. As the student originally stated, and as his attorney rightfully affirms, he did not KNOW he brought the gun to school. Therefore, no crime was committed.

Yes, he should still face suspension or expulsion.

In other news, the guy who allegedly sexually abused an 11 year old gets released on $4000 bail, but this kid gets $10000? Is he a flight risk? Did they take his passport?

This whole thing stinks of "making ...more
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Oct 31, 11 7:33 PM
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Thank you for correcting your misstatement. The court will decide if it is knowingly or not. It is not up to the police to make that determination.

In fact, I agree with your statement about the Code of Conduct (which addresses conduct, not crimes), as witnessed by my second paragraph.

My issue is with the unfair treatment of this individual by members here and the judge. My opinion is this has been sensationalized to make the administration feel good about themselves.

Let's ...more
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Nov 1, 11 4:56 PM
The gun was non functioning, I remember a time when kids would come to school straight from the duck blinds, guns on a rack in the pick up. Then there was columbine...
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Oct 31, 11 7:47 PM
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So, is an inoperable, antique objet d'art still a firearm within the meaning of the statute? If the student left a toy gun in the car, would he still be culpable?
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Oct 31, 11 8:43 PM
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My thoughts exactly, is a gun that has been rendered inoperable even a gun? Isn't it just a gun shaped piece of wood and metal?
By ex-pat (49), East Quogue on Nov 1, 11 10:57 AM
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if this kid pulled this out to show a friend, and a police officer was there and fired, the town would have ANOTHER law suit. Maybe it was a plastic gun, maybe he was just showing it, maybe it doesn't fire.

NO GUNS IN SCHOOL!!!

Maybe this example will remind everyone else who had a temporary lapse about any kind of weapon in their vehicle, to NOT BRING WEAPONS TO SCHOOL!
By just breath (82), yuck on Nov 1, 11 6:27 AM
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We are sure lucky that you geniuses are not on the jury. If I bring an AK-47 into school but have no clue how to use it, should I be exonerated? If I bring a jar of acid into school but I cannot get the top off am I good? If I shoot at someone and miss, do I get cleared of the charges? Interesting to see how everyone thinks - we need to get back to a place where if you broke the rules you were punished and not everything was up for nuanced touchy-feely silliness.
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Nov 1, 11 7:15 AM
It still sounds like the kid was lying when he said he forgot about the gun in the car, was the security guard hearing voices that told him to call the ploice ? Daddy's money is going to let the weasel off the hook, This Time ! I predict, because of this deliquent's previous history he will be in police custody again soon, wait until he turns 18, then his status is magically upgraded to adult , I don't care how young you are, any arrest record should be public knowledge..not hidden like it never ...more
By Bill in Riverhead (190), Riverhead on Nov 1, 11 8:38 AM
My kids are not at this school and I have no info through the grapevine. But forming an opinion solely on reading the article I would say this teen wanted to make a point. He did - and now must be made to understand that there are consequences to actions (even at 17). His parents need to turn this around. I can appreciate them wanting to protect their son. But once he turns 18 his "honest mistakes" will no longer be treated as youthful offender status. This kid needs attention -quick.
By blanketsmama (6), Springs on Nov 1, 11 10:18 AM
As I said, if a firearm is an antique and inoperable is it still considered a firearm within the meaning of the statute? However much posters may want to punish this student for bringing a frightening-appearing object onto school grounds, it isn't apparent that he has violated any laws.

Yes, were a cop to shoot the student because he THOUGHT the gun was real, we would be liable, and appropriately so. Unfortunately, this eventuality is much more likely to happen here than in virtually ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 1, 11 11:19 AM
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If a cop shoots this kid because he thinks the gun is real, isnt that a little bit better of an outcome than if the gun is real and the kid kills a few (innocent) people? Your automatic jump to how ignorant the police are is disgraceful. "the cops here have no more experience with firearms than do the citizens" ARE YOU SERIOUS? I don't know any CITIZEN that is required to do mandatory time at the range, nor citizens obligated to attend such lengthy firearms safety courses. I'm disgusted that ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Nov 1, 11 3:01 PM
Take it easy. You would be surprised how little police know about the very guns that they carry. I can tell you from personal experience that most are no better with a firearm than any normal citizen with a pistol permit, maybe worse. How many times did the NYPD shoot and miss at Amadou Diallo?
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Nov 2, 11 7:21 PM
A stoeger shotgun is not an antique. It is a modern weapon made in what ever country the firm of stoeger can make a deal with. Currently Turkey I believe. Not the worst of guns, but not the best. A true antique weapon is exempt from federal firearm laws. A stoeger ain't. Further, I woul;d be petrified of any weapon without a trigger,
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Nov 1, 11 1:43 PM
lazymedic,

"Further, I woul;d be petrified of any weapon without a trigger,"

Perhaps you meant "with a trigger?"

[ignoring the term "weapon" which may not apply to an inoperable shotgun?]
By Nero (258), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 11 7:52 PM
what does the trigger fit into ? the sear. what does the sear fit into ? the hammer or firing pin. without the trigger there is nothing to keep the pin/hammer from striking the primer. If I recall, a break action shotgun pulls the pin(s) back when either opening or closing the barrels. Anyone dumb enough to load the weapon will cause it to fire as soon as there is enough pressure on the pin. removing the trigger makes some weapons very unsafe. another example: m1911. pull the hammer back without ...more
By lazymedic (100), southampton on Nov 1, 11 9:26 PM
to AlwaysLocal:

The only experience in encountering guns that the majority of our cops have is the simulations that take place in training. Hence their panicked reaction when one actually appears in the real world. (Although that does not appear to have occurred in this case since there was no danger.) In those communities wherein guns are allowed in public, the police response is appropriately nuanced by ACTUAL experience.
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 1, 11 5:57 PM
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You mean like in Colorado where law enforcement at Columbine retreated for an hour or so while victims slowly bled to death?

You continue to talk out of that oversized hat of yours, or is it more a matter of a pinhead than a large hat? Your statements are totally unfounded and ignorant; if you had anything concrete on which to base your assertions you would have done so. Once, just once, explain your anti-police paranoia or give it a long overdue rest.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Nov 2, 11 12:12 AM
Regarding the "simulations that take place in training," as you put it, that the police recieve--what training, specifically, do "citizens"
have that is equally preparatory? To insinuate that the average "citizen" has the same or more capabilities to respond to this situation is simply false. Granted, the police in this area don't have as much experience as most jurisdictions in the city, but that doesn't mean that they are not properly trained and prepared. Also by your line of reasoning, ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Nov 2, 11 2:20 PM
if you live in North Sea then you are either a dirtbag or a hick ? oh, i always thought i was a redneck to everyone who lived outside of north sea.
By local (106), north sea on Nov 1, 11 8:39 PM
When I was growing up a certian "type" of person from North Sea was known as a dirt bag, a dirt bag is different from a red neck.. I always liked the dirt bags, I think they call them stoners now.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Nov 2, 11 4:00 PM
not all of us, pstevens. not all of us.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Nov 2, 11 8:21 PM
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"dirtbag", and proud of it.
Nov 2, 11 8:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, truthfully, I'd rather be a dirtbag, than the product of generational wealth.
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Nov 2, 11 8:36 PM
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You would rather be a dirtbag than a product of generational wealth? Your 2449th comment was your most ridiculous. That is so ridiculous. You look down on people that have inherited money? The publishers of the Press must adore you. You are the gift that keeps on giving...
Nov 3, 11 6:47 AM appended by Local 43
"The gun had NO business on the premisis. Operable, or not." followed by "It would seem "inoperable" has no weight in a legal arguement. You yenta it up here and get off on watching the responses. You are addicted.
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Nov 3, 11 6:47 AM
Actually, I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge. Always have. As a kid, you had to pull a book away from me.

Truthfully, I have seen firsthand how the products of "generational wealth" appreciate things. I see week in, and week out all the things squandered by persons who have so much, they don't have, or have lost the ability to appreciate what most of us struggle for. Like FOOD for starters. If you have seen what I've seen simply pitched in the trash in over a decade, well, ...more
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Nov 3, 11 6:55 PM
to VOS:

Ironically, considering the thread, you engage in schoolyard name-calling AGAIN. What IS it that compels you to enfeeble your credibility by such habitual infantile behavior?

Your one substantive assertion is a typical dim misperception. Columbine no more defines the ability of the cops there than 9/11 defines the firefighting abilities of NYC firemen. In both instances, the circumstances were unique and unimaginable.

If you would but try actually to construct ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 2, 11 10:46 AM
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Its over, the school administration sided with logic and conducted themselves perfectly. This decision leaves HHS and several of you where you belong, on the fringes discussing the nuances of one type of gun over another and whatever else obscure argument you can devise. Meanwhile, the universe caught the kid and dealt him his due process. Well done.
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Nov 2, 11 11:20 AM
I agree. Regardless of intent, you cannot allow firearms to be brought to school grounds. To argue that is foolish.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Nov 2, 11 7:35 PM
HHS,
Waiting for you to document a case where a local PO over reacted to a case of illegal gun possession.
Ooops, wait, that would mean you FOILing the PD and we know that would reveal your secret identity so the boogey people in blue would come get you in the dark of night.
Nevermind.
By But I'm a blank! (1278), Hampton Bays on Nov 2, 11 12:12 PM
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To Local 43:

Succinctly put, if completely wrong. Had you read as far as the third paragraph of the updated article you would have seen:

"While the long-term suspension that resulted from that hearing wraps up the teen’s case before the district administration, he still faces criminal charges."

Persevering to the fifth paragraph would have yielded:

"Police said that under the law, there is no difference between an operable or an inoperable gun, when it ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 2, 11 12:40 PM
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Ergo my high hatsize, I didn't need to get any deeper into the article.
By Local 43 (19), Southampton on Nov 2, 11 12:49 PM
@ VOS:

It would seem "inoperable" has no weight in a legal arguement.

Plus, frankly, one would find themselves much more hard pressed to injure someone with a lacrosse stick, versus the solid wood stock of a rifle.

As we say in North Sea" "Have a nice day!!!!"...
By Mr. Z (10415), North Sea on Nov 2, 11 8:34 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

For an example of cops' overreacting to the sight of guns, as you requested, recall the Nancy Genovese incident of 2009. In that case, a woman in Westhampton was transporting rifles and ammunition in the trunk of her car in full compliance with the law. Notwithstanding this fact, a local over-reacting (and self-promoting) cop arrested her and subjected her to days of incarceration before she could see a judge who promptly dismissed the charges. The consequence of ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 3, 11 10:32 AM
A) You picked the wrong girl to be your poster child for gun owner's rights.
B) It was an arrest, not a shooting, due to possession of a weapon whole different ball park.
C) The court subjected her to "days of incarceration", not the police.
By But I'm a blank! (1278), Hampton Bays on Nov 3, 11 1:38 PM
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I've been waiting for one of you wingnuts to bring up the crazy Ms. Genovese and, of course, you misrepresent the facts of the case to suit your cop-hating rant. You're a riot, hatsize!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Nov 3, 11 2:08 PM
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to But I'm a blank:

It was the cop, and NOT the court, that made Ms. Genovese spend days and nights in jail. The cop in question procrastinated in charging her on a Friday, deliberately, so that she could not appear before a judge before the weekend, requiring her to be held in jail until the following week. As SOON as a judge heard the b.s. charges, he released her.

The criterion you specified was "overreacting in a case of illegal gun possession", not a shooting. Sorry that ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 3, 11 2:32 PM
You can't make up facts to suit your position. She was arrested on a Thursday, arraigned Friday, where the Judge sent her to the County Jail on $50,000.00 bail.
The charges were dismissed in November, 3 months after the arrest. No where near as you state "as SOON as the a Judge heard the bs charges against her." The court does arraignment 365 days of the year. You should also note that the arrest was made by the SC Sheriffs, after being notified of her being on premises by an off duty SHTPD ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1278), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 11 9:23 AM
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to But I'm a blank!:

Your are probably right. In retrospect, I may have confused Ms. Genovese's inability to secure bail with a failure of arraignment as the cause of her four night incarceration. I apologize.

However, that error does not change the fact that Ms. Genovese was falsely arrested by a local cop after EXPERIENCED cops (from Homeland Security, for instance) determined that she was guiltless. The local cop was sure that she was a terrorist because she had GUNS(!!) ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 4, 11 12:11 PM
And again, (hate to be a stickler for details) a judge never heard the case. The arrest was dismissed upon the request of the DA's office.
The "local" cop did not make the arrest, the SC Sheriffs Office did.
So who are these EXPERIENCED cops that you speak of?
It will be years before this case is adjudicated in civil court, but I think it would be foolish of the plaintiff to start spending her $70 mil.
Time to move on.....
By But I'm a blank! (1278), Hampton Bays on Nov 4, 11 2:59 PM
Look at the FACTS.
1. NON working gun inside of LOCKED car, no brought into the building
2. Gun NOT car owners
3. NO threats were made
4. NO ammunition inside of car
So if John brings a water gun to school does he get home tutoring for the year?
If the car was parked just off school grounds would the same punishment be invoked?
Some punishment here yes....but lets use common sence or has that also left the East End land scape along with the farm lands.
By sluggoct (3), Waterbury on Nov 4, 11 3:02 PM
You haven't read the papers lately, huh?

yep.. it left a long time ago with it's partner's, "dignity, respect and tolerance"
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Nov 7, 11 2:52 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

So, according to you, the case was so frivolous that the DA dismissed it on his own and didn't even allow it to proceed to a judicial determination of prima facie worthlessness. Thanks. Additional evidence of the ridiculousness of the charges is gratefully received.

The Sheriffs Dept. cop IS a local cop. Moreover, until the last few years, these guys were nothing more than Screws at the jail and chauffeurs for suspects being driven to their hearings at ...more
By highhatsize (3701), East Quogue on Nov 4, 11 4:13 PM
A shotgun is not an assault weapon! When I wnet to SHS, we all had shotguns in a gunrack in back of truck. The parking lot was loaded with shotguns on opening day for duck hunting. Over the past 30 years, Southampton has been infected with a bunch of sissies who have built their manisons and want to rule everything. You people have really runined what used to be a great place to live.
By Walt (271), Southampton on Nov 6, 11 6:05 PM
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By robertg, sag on Nov 7, 11 6:40 AM
I challenge the press to look into the cover up that is going on regarding this kid and this case. Just because his dad whips out his checkbook doesn't make things right. The same family was involved in the bullying case and numerous arrests. This is not their personal ''Enclave''. Bullying and firearms but no suspension. Something doesn't add up. Let's find the truth here SH Press. There is way more to this story than is being reported. Trust me. Bye.
By Pants Products (1), East Hampton on Nov 7, 11 9:25 AM
Did you read the first sentence in the article? He will not be allowed to return to school. Soooooo ummmmmm what are you talking about? Did Dr. Boyes reverse himself on that decision? What cover up are you referring to? The only thing covered up in this article is the kids name. Stop being so cryptic...if you've got something to say put it out there. Are you perhaps a victim of this kids prior bad acts?
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Nov 7, 11 9:36 PM
Like I said a long while ago- the taxed payers will be on the hook for his education.
Hopefully this young man learned a hard lesson and educational administrators can't enforce any laws, just school policy.
Get on with life and go duck hunting!
By semi local (16), southampton on Nov 10, 11 8:47 PM
the kid wasn't suspended, he will graduate on time and the taxpayers are paying extra for his homeschooling. a lot of care was put into this kid not being inconvenienced. on the day he brought the gun to school, the kid he had been bullying stayed home because he was too frightened. and it is a very good kid. you don't know what you don't know. pstevens email is the sort of attitude that perpetuated child molestation at penn state. feel free to ignore the things right under your nose. its ...more
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