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Dec 8, 2013 7:24 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Dozens Rally In Southampton Village For Immigration Reform

Dec 10, 2013 4:33 PM

Dozens of immigration reform advocates braved the cold in Southampton Village on Sunday afternoon to rally for comprehensive reform on the state and federal levels.

The peaceful protest took place at Lola Prentice Memorial Park on Windmill Lane, next to police headquarters, over an hour and a half, and featured many pro-immigration reform signs. A boy held one that read, “You may think I’m a DREAMER, but I’m not the only one,” using John Lennon lyrics to refer to the Dream Act, a bill that would give legal status to some illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children.

Chants of “Yes, we can!” and its Spanish equivalent “Sí se puede!” emerged from the crowd. Some people waved American flags.

The event drew an estimated 300 ralliers, according to Sister Mary Beth Moore, a pastoral agent with Centro Corazón de María, one of the rally sponsors and a founding member of the East End Immigrant Advocates, or EEIA, a one-year-old outreach and advocacy organization, that co-sponsored it. Neighbors in Support of Immigrants and the Hispanic Apostolate of the South Fork also sponsored the rally.

“The tourist industry and the agricultural industry of the East End are made possible by immigrant labor,” Sister Moore said, “and they deserve justice.”

The rally, which drew a mix of citizens and non-citizens, was intended to provide an opportunity for the immigrant community to show their strength and let their voices be heard, she said. She called it a great success.

Despite “oodles of publicity,” she said, “we didn’t know if people would come out. Undocumented people are fearful of other people’s attitudes toward them and actual reprisals.”

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill, passed by Senate by a large majority in June, includes a path to citizenship for adults that would likely take 13 years, according to the EEIA. “Dreamers,” or young, undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, would be able to earn green cards in five years, as would some agricultural workers. EEIA added that the bill also calls for increases in border security and a system to prevent businesses from hiring unauthorized workers.

Ralliers spoke of their reasons for taking a stand.

“Some of my neighbors are Latinos and I’ve become friends with them,” explained Lorry Werner of Hampton Bays about why she attended. “We’re all immigrants.”

She happened to drive by and notice the rally, so she joined in, she said.

Carla Ash of East Hampton called herself a big proponent of immigration reform.

“Many Latinos are hard workers and they deserve better than they’re getting,” she said, adding that she came despite a busy day. “We can’t let the House think we don’t care anymore.”

“I want reform. I don’t want to be scared,” said Vilma Segura of Southampton. “I want to have my license.”

Jack King of Westhampton Beach said, “If you look around you see so many families here. We have to keep families together. Our immigration system is separating them … They are Americans.”

Meanwhile, four counterprotesters took up camp across the street, brandishing anti-immigration signs such as “Secure Our Borders” and “Don’t Jump the Fence. Obey the Law!”

“The illegals come in and take the jobs Americans need,” said Lynda Edwards of Amagansett, an organizer of the East End Tea Party, who waved the latter sign.

A fellow counterprotester distributed a document issued by the group New Yorkers for Immigration Control and Enforcement, or NYICE, that railed against “amnesty for illegal aliens.”

“Don’t believe the lie that the 20 million illegals are somehow helping our economy, instead of the truth, which is that they are destroying it,” it read.

Sister Moore, for her part, said the pro-immigration advocates will hold another rally in the spring, timed to coincide with the filing periods for the 2014 midterm elections.

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Legal immigration SI!
Illegal immigration NO!!
Rule of law SI!
Criminal behavior NO!
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 8, 13 7:27 PM
Dozens Rally to be Rewarded for Breaking American Laws in Southampton Village
FIFY 27 East, no no, don't thank me.
By Preliator Lives (428), Obamavillie on Dec 9, 13 8:55 AM
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The Republicans told democrats to secure the borders and they will vote on amnesty. We gave amnesty 30 years ago and never secured the borders as promised. Stop twisting things Phil.
By chief1 (2765), southampton on Dec 9, 13 9:37 AM
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The borders are more secure under Obama than they have evern been. In addition, Number of Mexicans crossing US border lowest in decades. So where is our immigration reform. Stop twisting this, Chief.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Dec 9, 13 12:06 PM
Tell me when all the people who broke the law and entered this country illegally, work here illegally and live here illegally go home and then we'll talk immigration reform.

If you are not going to punish people who break the law why should anyone follow any law?
By Preliator Lives (428), Obamavillie on Dec 9, 13 12:16 PM
Illegal border crossing have been lowest in decades because the economy is so bad. I agree that we should give Obama credit for that.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 4:59 PM
So why the need to import labor?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 7:12 PM
it's the lowest in decades because Obummer has decimated the job market and there is less work for them and everyone else.. many have gone back to their own countries and many more not coming due to lack of jobs in this economy.. we have the lowest workforce participation in decades…his programs of over regulation and taxation are hurting everyone except his chosen few.. of the new jobs posted last week 41% were government jobs..probable with the IRS to enforce obamacare!!

By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 11, 13 2:23 PM
The borders are safer than ever? There is just more crime by illegals and they are being caught and sent back. I don't consider over a million a year jumping a fence as secure. Lol you guys are ridiculous wanting to reward la breakers.
By chief1 (2765), southampton on Dec 9, 13 2:26 PM
Especially in an area like ours where they are mainly doing seasonal work. Once the season is over and that work dries up, what do the Liberals think they are doing to survive?

Realists, not Idealists, can see that our crime rates are climbing and as long as they remain there is no end to that in sight.
By Q333 (161), Southampton on Dec 10, 13 5:56 AM
This rally was attended by a mix of immigration reform supporters, I was one of them. I am not an illegal immigrant, neither were the many friends who joined me there. The rally was attended by people who had LEGALLY come from, among other places, China, Ireland, Cuba, Chile....and by many born here as well!
We are a nation of immigrants. My grandparents came to this country in the same way many of these immigrants today have come. They faced the exact same prejudices. I have heard their stories ...more
By Earthgirl (52), Southampton on Dec 9, 13 2:55 PM
"I want reform. I don't want to be scared," said Vilma Segura of Southampton. "I want to have my license."
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As if there aren't legal channels to do so. Let's not forget that entering the country illegally is a crime. Immigration is good for the USA. Legal immigration. So a part of me wishes Mrs. Segura well, another part of me wants to know what right she has to make demands as she is technically a criminal. I'd imagine Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, etc. not being all to thrilled with ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 4:57 PM
Demanding to "not be scared" isn't a demand - it's a basic human right that everyone should be afforded.

Ok, you say she came here illegally and is a criminal. You've never broken a law before? She came here looking to better herself and better her family. Many people are so blissfully ignorant to the world outside the 1st world countries (or better yet, outside of their NY bubble).

What about all the people who fled El Salvador 20 years ago when they were going through a ruthless ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 9, 13 5:07 PM
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I want reform, I want my license.
I didn't know that we cherry pick what laws we should obey and not obey. Do you have a list that you can send me?
I don't blame her for wanting a better life, but if she came into the country illegally then she broke our laws. There's no disputing that. Further, not all the illegal immigrants here are hard working, nice people. Some are actually pretty rotten. How do you know the difference when the sneak in? If they followed the rules we would be able to ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 5:19 PM
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Never claimed you were a racist - those are your words. Never said I wanted open borders either.

I'm not cherry picking a thing - what I'm saying is that we are all violators of one law or another. To you entering the country illegally is a crime punishable by (actually I'm not sure what you think the just punishment is) to these people it is better to break the law and come here illegally then stay in their homeland.

Absolutely there are terrible people who sneak across our ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 9, 13 5:37 PM
No. I like it here. I feel blessed to be here. I respect what we have. So much in fact that I feel it needs to be protected. Ours isn't a perfect society, but it's better than most, so forgive me for not wanting to give it away. Forgive me for acknowledging our laws and expecting immigrants to as well.
The "racist" comment was based on the false notion, apparently not shared by you, that you are by default a racist if you don't support sweeping amnesty.
In my humble opinion there should ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 5:59 PM
It seems that the fog of debate has cleared and we can have a civil conversation. I agree with most of what you say - but this intrigues me:

2. Deport the criminals. You know, the gang members and prison inmates.

What prevents them from coming back as "free" men? Securing the border? No matter what, it aint air tight. Also, it's more complicated than that...

If someone is a victim of a crime conducted by an illegal, they have some say in what happens to that victim ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 9, 13 6:13 PM
Good points. It's not that easy. You are correct. There will be reform, and I hope this time we do our best to do it right. Securing that border to the best of our ability has to be step one, or all subsequent steps become useless IMO.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Dec 9, 13 7:11 PM
Feel free to walk a day in their shoes Captn
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 9, 13 8:26 PM
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I'm sure you're also the first to complain about the Shinnecocks making any "demands". Shouldn't the NATIVE american's have rank over umm, everyone else?

This piece of the article speaks volumes (to me): explained Lorry Werner of Hampton Bays about why she attended. "We're all immigrants."

By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 9:16 AM
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I specifically didn't equate Native Americans to illegal [hispanic?] aliens. I said that using your logic, Shinnecock Indians can and should demand anything and everything. This country was essentially founded on immigrants coming here on their own will and taking the native's land and committing genocide (or turning a blind eye to those that did). Illegal aliens coming here (from whatever country) and "demanding" immigration reform is a heck of a lot better than what many of the people who founded ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 11:04 AM
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I suggest you live a year in a war torn country where rebels are kidnapping your children to turn them into soldiers and where your basic human rights are being denied. Then tell me you won't do anything and everything in your power to get yourself and your loved ones the &*&*& out of that situation.

Guess you have never gone over 55 on 27East either huh? (I get it, different degrees of law breaking - but you claim you will "follow/respect/abide" by the law of the country.

Who ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 3:12 PM
Please tell me wise one how we can separate those who actually are afraid and those claiming CR from the illegal immigration 101?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 8:48 PM
As requested:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand that
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 10, 13 11:08 PM
Roberto Suro wrote an article back in 2009 titled "She was never about those huddled masses." It will pop right up in a google search. (1) He wrote that the poem was about Jewish refugees from Europe who faced violent mass attacks known as pogroms, and who were 5% of the population in various countries. In contrast, 85% of Mexico is indigenous. They have their own country; they need to make it a better place. (2) He said it's the Statue of Liberty-- the original name was "Liberty Enlightening ...more
By Dan360 (8), Amagansett on Dec 19, 13 11:42 PM
Legal is legal and illegal is illegal, a concept so simple yet so difficult for some to understand. Those that have entered the country illegally have committed a crime, a crime that should not be rewarded. What to do with them is a difficult question to answer, compassion enters into the equation, but what about all those immigrants that have obeyed the LAW and jumped through all the hoops? It's a slap in the face to those law abiding folks to let those who came in the back door have the same status.
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 9, 13 5:39 PM
As I have said before, to grant amnesty unilaterally would be a slap in the face to all those who worked hard and became Americans through proper channels.

One should also remember that many of these people are refugees of the Drug War, gang violence, military coups, forced military induction, and even guerilla warfare. Honduras has the highest murder rate of ANY country on the planet, just for reference.

What many of these people flee from is not pretty, and the Refugee Act may ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 10, 13 9:48 AM
Z I'm with you - as I've stated above I don't think everyone should form a line and get a stamp saying they're US citizens, but I don't understand the desire to send everyone back or to not listen to what these people want. They came here for a reason - of course there are bad apples but there are so many more who are trying to be good citizens. Our ancestors all came here from other places. Some legally, some illegally but we're all immigrants except for the natives who we used and abused.

Reform ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 10:02 AM
Right now it looks like none, and Slim left town long ago...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 10, 13 12:42 PM
Listen this why I say this is a no win argument. There is always going to be pro both sides and the argent will never end. I was just giving nature an example of how illegal immigrants might be taking jobs. And in the scenario I described, the one who does everything by the books in an American citizen, and the other landscaper is a Guatemalan who is here illegally. I'm well aware that there are Americans who do things off the books, I was just using this as an example.
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 10, 13 2:40 PM
That's not an example of illegals taking jobs. That's an example of an American citizen cheating the government and refusing to hire American citizens which he has the option of doing. If everyone stopped hiring illegals, then it wouldn't be a problem. But the all mighty dollar speaks loudly and there are enough people out there who just can't get those dollar signs out of their eyes.

I know the argument is no win - but I at least hope to educate those "deport them all" campers and ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 3:09 PM
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No you misread. It's an illegal immigrant who is the boss. He hires other illegals and pays them cash. And pays no taxes. I know he is illegal because I have an attorney friend who he went to to get legal, was told he'd have to pay back taxes, and he said screw it, why go legal and have to pay if I can continue to make cash this way.
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 10, 13 4:34 PM
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The vast majority of landscaping companies I would imagine are run by legal citizens. Additionally - are we not to blame the people who hire illegals? I doubt one can be a licensed and insured landscaper when even the company owner is an illegal.

My whole point is that the only people to blame for the loss of jobs are our fellow citizens
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 7:05 PM
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As you think illegals should not be rewarded with citizenship, I do not think that business owners who play by their own rules should be rewarded with profits that are unavailable to those who obey the law.

Tax cheats, illegal or legal are equal, no? So you think that it's OK for a business owner to skim profits and skimp on taxes because the taxes are unfair and are a "burden" placed by the government? How is that different than an illegal who sees the border as an unfair "burden" that ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 8:16 PM
But you say: "I do NOT blame business owners for they are solely motivated by one thing, to stay in business."

So doesn't that mean you don't blame illegals for coming here and living here and doing whatever it is they do?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 10, 13 8:49 PM
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No such thing as a 'licensed' landscaper Nature. A lot of the mow and blow lawn care businesses are owned and operated by illegals, employ illegals and pay no worker's comp, sales tax, social security (FICA) or have liability insurance or pay income tax for that matter. That's how illegals can charge significantly less than a legal business.
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 11, 13 6:13 AM
Exactly. Nature wanted an example of how illegals are taking jobs, there you have it.
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 11, 13 7:22 AM
"A lot of the mow and blow lawn care businesses are owned and operated by illegals" And where are your stats on that?

And btw, who are hiring these illegals?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 7:34 AM
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Nature you are both ignorant and naive to the immigration problem. Its ironic you live in Hampton Bays and can see a problem with illegals. Hampton Bays is turning in to a slum basically because of illegal aliens. What Bubby is telling you is that the illegals don't follow the rules so they can work for less money.
The nerve of non residents to come here and protest next to a police station driving their illegal cars is outrageous.
By chief1 (2765), southampton on Dec 11, 13 8:07 AM
Not ignorant nor naive.

The original claim is that illeglas take our jobs. That's not true at all. Illegals don't take jobs away from Americans. Americans either hire illegals as employees, hire companies run by illegals or choose not to do the jobs that illegals do.

The example of "some" landscaping companies (mow and blow jobs) being done by companies consisting entirely of illegal aliens (with no proof that they are actually illegal) is a far cry from the call that illegals ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 9:23 AM
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Nature you are so out of touch with reality its scary
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Dec 11, 13 10:05 AM
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Nature, there are no stats because they are illegal! Why is that so hard to see. Just open your eyes. The stats are what you see. Do you really think that they are reporting in" yes, I'm here illegally running my landscaping business, please put me on a pie chart". Painters, landscapers, these are all businesses you don't need licensing for to get away with.
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 11, 13 11:54 AM
Ok. A) how do you quanity it? For your argument to be valid, it must be quantified

B) How do you tell who is illegal and who is not? Are you implying that there are NO legally owned and operated landscaping businesses run by LEGAL immigrants (or people who are the decendants of immigrants and may or not be of hispanic decent)?

You and your friends are grasping at straws based on prejuidice assumptions predicated on skin color and or preferred language (it apperas).
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 11:59 AM
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Simplify the immigration process so we can start colecting tax revenue. Heavily fine employers hiring illegals, All people must provide proof of citizneship when enrolling in schools or seeking medical care. Clamp down on illegal housing. You won't have to deport illegals. They will leave or be put into the system with everyone else.
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Dec 11, 13 12:15 PM
I largely agree with your post - glad we don't have to dispute everything.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 12:24 PM
Nature, this is precisely the reason I say this is a no win argument. Speak out against ILLEGAL immigration, and get called racist. Listen, I never implied anything. My own landscaper who takes care of my house is Hispanic. He is here legally, collects sales tax from me, I've spoken to his workers, some of whom are American, I know he pays them on the books. I will say when I was looking for a landscaper, I approached the guy who cuts my neighbors lawn for a price. He spoke broken English, ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 11, 13 12:39 PM
Let the record show I never called anyone a racist. Only implied that some statements made by you and others are based on "prejuidice assumptions".

You yourself say that you that you made an assumption on the legal status of someone based on their language skills and a NC plate. Maybe you were right - but it is still a prejudice assumption. I did not claim you to be a racist and I think it's important to keep racism out of the discussion because there are a lot of illegal immigrants ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 12:48 PM
Also what do you mean by "you and your friends are grasping at straws". These opinions are my own.
By bubby (236), southampton on Dec 11, 13 12:48 PM
friends was a general term - not any particular individual but people with the same collective/loosley related feelings/opinions on the subject matter.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 2:20 PM
As a LEGAL , TAXPAYING small business owner, I have bid against more than a few under the table , cash only businesses owned and operated by ILLEGALS. After asking the client to check for SS numbers for all the workers and the owner, along with proof of insurance, both worker's comp and liability, the illegal is out of the process along with his cheap estimate. Open your eyes there Nature, if you owned a business you would see things differently.
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 11, 13 12:09 PM
I'm not disputing that they don't exist - but they wouldn't exist if citizens chose to note hire them in a way that you lay out in your post. Additionally, you can't quantify how many businesses like this are out there and you can't say who is legal and illegal based on looking at them or listening to them.

There are PLENTY of companies run by born and bred Americans that use illegal labor and/or break the rules and/or cheat taxes.

The government (federal) has completely failed ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 12:26 PM
the number of illegal aliens crossing the border is the lowest in decades because Obummer has decimated the job market and there is less work for them and everyone else.. many have gone back to their own countries and many more not coming due to lack of jobs in this economy.. we have the lowest workforce participation in decades…his programs of over regulation and over taxation are hurting everyone except his chosen few.. of the new jobs posted last week 41% were government jobs..probable ...more
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 11, 13 2:34 PM
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By Miss K. (100), East Quogue on Dec 11, 13 2:50 PM
To early to tell if it is working. We are only weeks removed from the embarrassing website debacle. Kind of like a last place team getting excited about a two game winning streak.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Dec 11, 13 9:14 PM
Phil, you might be right about the numbers in January but at what cost? I need to see our debt go down substantially or at least the amount they said ACA would save and then we can start talking about success.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Dec 12, 13 5:47 PM
@philathome: The 38 months of job creation have not made up the jobs lost in the crisis. Also, the economy needs to create 125,000 jobs per month to keep up with immigration and young people entering the workforce. Finally, google "a job prospect lures" to see an article about the thousands of people desperate for a job in NYC when the unemployment rate was 4.5% in 2006. So your comment really comes from ignorance.
By Dan360 (8), Amagansett on Dec 20, 13 12:07 AM
Way to deflect from the immigration issue Zathome.! Dragging the abomination of Obamacare into the discussion does nothing for whatever credibility you might have had.
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 12, 13 7:19 AM
Unfortunately our school system is churning out liberal and socialist zombies. They have been indoctrinated Our tax dollars are going towards English as second language programs that are taking funds away from regents and AP classes. It is unfortunate - philathome actually believes what she is spouting. if they just did some research and actually delved into the facts instead of regurgitating this administrations talking points we would all have more respect for his/her comments.

We ...more
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 12, 13 8:08 AM
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Interesting that you choose that term as it primarily pertains to communist propaganda. Again do your homework. Communism is reflected in the liberal and progressive movement whose ideals you are spouting.
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 17, 13 8:27 AM
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Sadly, no one seems to advocate for our own working poor. They are the true victims of illegal immigration. While it is profoundly obvious that illegals very successfully compete with our working poor, the studies show that typically illegals in the workforce lower the income of our own poor working citizens by 4 to 5 %.
Our working poor are the forgotten Americans in the immigration problem.
To keep them out of the limelight, we’ve increased social welfare, reduced federal education ...more
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Dec 12, 13 10:01 AM
Well one reason is that the Democrats need the working poor, they need a full-time under class of serfs to buy off with government subsidies and handouts; how else do you expect them to vote Democrat. From the just released CBO report;

"A statistic deep inside a new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report may further inflame the debate over income inequality.

The report says that the top 40 percent of U.S. wage earners paid 106 percent of U.S. individual income taxes in 2010, ...more
By Preliator Lives (428), Obamavillie on Dec 12, 13 1:59 PM
You left out one important thing. Nothing is getting cheaper, and our currency continues to reduce in value.

Keep on printin'...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 12, 13 2:52 PM
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Bitcoin to the rescue!
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Dec 12, 13 2:56 PM
Exactly Z; the Fed keeps printing billions and giving it to Wall Street, they are doing great but Main Street is still struggling. $85 billion a month for months on end has created a new bubble just as dangerous as the one that popped in 2008; eventually all of that money is going to have to come out of the market; POP!

It is funny that when Wall Street is doing well under a Republican President Democrats/liberals/leftists tell you how horrible the dirty rich are. When the market is going ...more
By Preliator Lives (428), Obamavillie on Dec 12, 13 3:23 PM
Just came across a few more nickels this week...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 13, 13 4:14 AM
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Z did you mean "nickels" literally, as in containing silver? Except for a brief time during WW II, nickels generally have not contained any silver.

Or figuratively, in contrast to the billions and billions of paper money being printed? Got it.

Bitcoins? I have a boatload of tulips available on the cheap . . .
By PBR (4945), Southampton on Dec 13, 13 6:50 AM
Figuratively.

Have a few 1964 or older dimes, and some other varied coins, none uncirculated.

Dimes before 1965 are your best chance of finding any silver still in circulation, and of course the quarters before '65 are worth the most (90% silver) and of course silver dollars like the uncirculated Ikes.
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 13, 13 9:06 AM
This administration does not want to help people make money and get off of the government money train. The more people they have on the dole the more votes they will get. Voters will not want the money to stop. Look at the abuses with the food stamp program and Obama phones. Why do you think slim the Mexican mobile phone fellow is a billionaire tens times over. It is due to the Obama phone contracts. People can redeem their food stamps at liquor stores etc. And the govt is allowing this!! ...more
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 12, 13 10:16 AM
"We have an 'elected ' elite that does not play by the rules that govern the commoners!!"

That's called Oligarchy. And it would have been nice to see "commoners" in quotations. If you sit down and read an Oxford history of the United States, you would see that this is just repetition. All these things have happened before in the colonies, and the following century of American History. Using economics as a weapon was around long before OPEC quadrupled oil prices back in the 70's. Truth ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 12, 13 2:46 PM
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It seems that the extreme Right-Wing has opened the attic door behind which it hides its embarrassing relatives and trotted them out to post comments, as follows:
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One claims that social welfare legislation is a ploy to camouflage the economic impact of illegal immigration on the poor.

Another claims that Carlos Slim Helú (a Mexican billionaire worth around $73 billion at last count) made his fortune on the "Obamaphone".

Then ...more
By highhatsize (4142), East Quogue on Dec 12, 13 3:06 PM
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Ok big boy, are you saying that illegals do not cause economic pressure on our working poor? Park the retoric, yes or no?
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on Dec 14, 13 8:23 PM
Contract-free carriers such as Carlos Slim’s Tracfone Wireless have received $2.2 billion in subsidies to provide phones for poor Americans, Bloomberg reports. Many wireless carriers have added prepaid subscribers to offset the costs of the federal program.

was in the news today..
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 19, 13 10:38 AM
And all the left wing , freestuffer loving, Obama worshiping parasites come out of the woodwork spewing the same old talking points, no matter what the discussion had previously been focused on. We have someone who doesn't see the illegals , another with his tired old class envy blather and an incredibly verbose, self styled intellectual. Have any of you had a thought of your own, or are you victims of the Huffington Puffington Post, NY Times and the Daily Kos?
How about addressing the original ...more
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 12, 13 7:32 PM
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By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 13, 13 3:52 AM
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And of course, the guy who doesn't seem to grasp macroeconomics. Trickle down economics, supply side economics, Mellonomics, or even "horse and sparrow economics", whatever you want to call it in over 100 years of history, it is a grossly epic FAIL.

It's exactly what one of it's oldest names spells it out as:

HORSE**** ECONOMICS.

You're unfortunately "actin' the fool" far too much to see what you call "class envy" as the smokescreen it is to fog the view of our new Oligarchy ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 14, 13 11:04 PM
Politifact's Lie Of The Year: "If You Like Your Health Care Plan, You Can Keep It"
By Undocumented Democrat (2002), southampton on Dec 13, 13 12:55 AM
Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it'

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"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.

But the promise was impossible to keep.
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For all of these reasons, PolitiFact has named "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," the Lie of the Year for 2013. Readers in a separate online poll overwhelmingly agreed with the choice...

First, ...more
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Dec 14, 13 8:14 AM
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With politicians, there are so many lies to choose from. Must be hard to choose just one.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Dec 14, 13 10:06 PM
A few things stand out in Barack Obama’s Presidency.

■The $800 billion stimulus plan passed in 2009
■The $5 trillion in debt accumulation—the most of any President in history
■The passage of Obamacare… the assassination of Osama Bin Laden… and huge tax increases
By They call me (2751), southampton on Dec 14, 13 11:24 PM
In reality, all the people who were "bailed out" and benefitted the most are paying a very low taxation rate considering how they benefitted from government action.

The vast majority of those who are paying for the current economic debacle are the close to 300 million who had nothing to do with it...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 15, 13 10:50 AM
Has anyone heard the term. 'Big hat - no cattle!' ?
Seems appropriate
By aggiepup (7), southampton on Dec 13, 13 7:59 AM
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Obama Requests Americans Celebrate Christmas by Talking Obamacare

Is this guy for real
By 27dan (2768), Southampton on Dec 13, 13 5:44 PM
I will be out of town for the next two weeks and don't know if i will have much opportunity to check in with my lap top so i wanted to say,

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
By Erin 27 E (1235), southampton on Dec 14, 13 11:40 AM
REPORT: Colorado school gunman 'very opinionated Socialist'...
By They call me (2751), southampton on Dec 14, 13 11:39 PM
Back on point : How do the leftists here think the illegal immigration problem should be dealt with?
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 15, 13 8:03 AM
The ad hominem label notwithstanding:

The people who fear deportation will not come forward, that's a given. The people who qualify under the Refugee Act need to come forward. It is our unfortunate civic duty to keep felons housed where they can do no harm here or in their country of origin.

Bottom line is that the solution begins with "We, the People". If you see people operating illegally, report them. If you know people are operating illegally, don't hire them, or DIY. ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 15, 13 11:00 AM
The gunman responsible for Friday's shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado is being described as a "socialist" by his fellow students.

"He was friendly enough. Very proud of being a socialist. He was very outspoken on his political views," student Angie Mock said. "To him, it just meant economic -- more economic equality."

By They call me (2751), southampton on Dec 15, 13 1:29 PM
During the "Great Depression" there were many organized parties including socialist, and communist.

Economic downturns have a way of galvanizing people's view's regardless of political affiliation. To try and make a play against a political platform using this killer is not only opportunistic, it's downright pathetic...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 15, 13 7:28 PM
Do I need to go back and point out how many times it has been tried to be pinned on a white militia type before the facts were in ? Because I can point out a half dozen.

So lets agree Mr Z , from now on crazy is just that, crazy and it does not matter what the particular loons politics were,

Agreed ?
By They call me (2751), southampton on Dec 16, 13 2:04 AM
Yep, I can roll with that TCM. A lunatic is a lunatic and they come from all walks of life

And Cap, it's a cited historical example, and one which has been repeated (with a bailout this time) because people failed to learn from the same types of mistakes which were made during the lead in to the "Great Depression". The parallels are uncanny if you know what in the H-E double hockey sticks you're talking about. Deeply set anger and/or despair in a populace has a way of encouraging people ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 16, 13 8:39 PM
The Depression did give us Bonnie and Clyde, and many other colorful characters...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 17, 13 1:42 AM
Those of us who do know our history are damned to watch those who don't repeat it.

A pathetic state for a union.
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Dec 31, 13 12:37 AM
Thanks for your response Mr Z. I agree,
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 16, 13 11:42 AM
Armed Guard's Presence Ended Arapahoe School Shooting in 80 Seconds

On December 15th Local News reported that an armed guard saved students' lives when Karl Halverson Pierson began firing his shotgun inside Arapahoe High School.
As more details emerge, it has become evident that the guard, a county deputy resource officer did this by running toward the shooter in a way that ended the entire incident in 80 seconds.

By Undocumented Democrat (2002), southampton on Dec 17, 13 12:44 AM
Wayne LaPierre was right after all.
By Preliator Lives (428), Obamavillie on Dec 17, 13 6:44 AM
Nancy Pelosi: Unless They Commit Crime Deportation of Illegals 'Totally Unjustified'
Dec 17, 13 5:30 PM appended by They call me
Does this woman ever listen to hoe stupid she sounds
By They call me (2751), southampton on Dec 17, 13 5:30 PM
Just pandering to her low information voter base. absolute insanity. How is it that she is re-elected time and time again?
By bigfresh (4534), north sea on Dec 18, 13 8:06 AM
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