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UPDATE: Witnesses Say Verbal Altercation Led To Alleged Assault By Retired Southampton Village Sergeant

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Erin McKinley   Feb 1, 2013 10:21 AM
Feb 6, 2013 10:14 AM

A retired Southampton Village Police sergeant was arrested by Southampton Town Police on Thursday night, January 31, following a fight at a Bridgehampton restaurant that left one man in intensive care at Southampton Hospital.

The retired officer, Darren Gagnon, 51, of Shirley, was arrested shortly after 6 p.m. at Bobby Van’s Restaurant on Montauk Highway in Bridgehampton after a verbal dispute with another man, whom police have not identified, led to a physical altercation.

Witnesses said this week that Mr. Gagnon, who retired from the Village Police last year, hit the man three times in the head and neck after the victim told him to “go away.” Three witnesses to the fight, who asked not to be identified, said that the victim did not throw any punches and made no physically threatening motions toward Mr. Gagnon prior to the assault.

At least two other retired Village Police officers were present as well, though witnesses said that the other men, including former Village Police and Town Police Chief William Wilson Jr., had just entered the building when the fight broke out.

“The other two guys walk in, they didn’t even have their coats off and he went over to [the victim]—I was looking right at it—and punches him in the throat,” one witness said. “He goes down, hits his head on the bar and is out cold. There was blood coming from his mouth.”

Mr. Wilson, whose retirement from the Town Police in December was the occasion for the three longtime Village Police colleagues meeting at the restaurant, gave a similar account of the sudden and short-lived altercation. He said that the third man meeting himself and Mr. Gagnon, former Lieutenant Howard Lewis, had barely entered the building when the fight happened.

“I had literally just walked through the door, I have no idea what it was about because I never even spoke to [Mr. Gagnon] after the incident,” Mr. Wilson said when reached by telephone this week. “I was hanging my coat on the back of a chair and the next thing I knew it was over. I was dumbfounded.”

All three witnesses interviewed said that Mr. Gagnon had approached a group of people who were gathered at one end of the restaurant’s bar, including the victim, twice in a matter of a few minutes. During at least one of the encounters, which were initially cordial, the victim apparently addressed Mr. Gagnon directly and told him to go away, and even “got in his face a little” according to one witness. When he approached the group a third time, Mr. Gagnon initiated the assault without any words being exchanged.

Two witnesses said Mr. Gagnon had told those he was with that he was heading across the bar with the intention of punching the other man—an allegation Mr. Wilson disputes: “He said nothing like that to me. We exchanged hellos, and that’s about it.”

The victim, according to Town Police, was transported to Southampton Hospital via Bridgehampton Fire Department Ambulance for treatment of his injuries.

Mr. Gagnon was charged with assault in the third degree, a misdemeanor. He was taken into custody, booked at Town Police headquarters in Hampton Bays and subsequently released with an appearance ticket. He is due back at Southampton Town Justice Court at a later date. If convicted, he could face as much as a year in jail.

Assault in the third degree differs from assault in the second degree, a felony count, by the degree of intent to cause injury; a felony count can be filed when the investigating officer believes the intent was to inflict “serious” injury, such as by using a weapon.

“I grew up in a tough neighborhood and I haven’t seen anything like this since then,” said one of the witnesses. “This was a brutal attack. He waited till his friends got there, then he sucker-punched the guy.”

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51 and retired???
By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 1, 13 7:22 PM
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he was forced out
By Qguy (18), quogue on Feb 4, 13 7:52 PM
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If the witness accounts are reliable that he waited until the retired Chief and other arrived before he assaulted the customer then this indicates far more than just an alcohol-fueled criminal act; it implies he felt comfortable committing a crime in full view of his former Chief. Most people would try to hide criminal acts - if they were to do them at all - and do them on the sly. He wasn't intimidated at all by potential recriminations from other law enforcement. What does that tell you about ...more
By Funbeer (91), Southampton on Feb 7, 13 10:28 PM
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Police only need 20 years - in theory he could have started at 20 and worked until 50 - a full 30 years.
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 1, 13 7:24 PM
true but to be reitred as a SGT????
By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 1, 13 7:31 PM
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whats so odd about that???
By CaptainSig (433), Dutch Harbor on Feb 1, 13 9:01 PM
Or he could have retired at 40. That means he's been collecting a pension for 11 years already, with 30+ more to go.
By East End 2 (81), Southampton on Feb 2, 13 7:00 AM
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Yes, thats what is wrong with the municipal system. While the rest of us slave away into our 60's the perks allow them to go out, start second jobs and go after another pension as some do. This is why most municipalites and states are broke. Its funding the pension system. The city of Glen Cove had a statement in Newsday that they had to issue $2 million more in bonds to cover their pension costs. When will it end and certainly this model needs to change.
By North Sea Citizen (336), North Sea on Feb 2, 13 7:32 AM
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stop spreading misinformation, you cannot collect 2 pensions in NYS unless you are a politician(they're exempt from all rules) The nys police and fire pension fund is the most well funded in the world.
By politcal pawn (85), Flanders on Feb 3, 13 12:57 PM
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In theory you can get one pension from local gov (state/county/town/village) and one from federal (IRS for example)
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 13 1:02 PM
Yup, thats what we want, 60 year old cops handling the crowd at Boardy Barn.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 13 2:55 PM
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By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 2, 13 3:59 PM
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you can take the man out of shirley but cant take shirley out of the man
By local39 (14), southampton on Feb 2, 13 6:28 PM
or should we say Mastic
By local39 (14), southampton on Feb 2, 13 6:51 PM
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By Alex BARANOVICH, Southampton on Feb 3, 13 8:05 AM
i don't think nys is spending 1 billion dollars a week on police pensions, they're spending it on the leaches of society. The real problem is able bodied people that refuse to work, sit home and collect welfare, SSI and medicaid. By the time all you civil servant hater realize this, it will be too late. Will the last person to leave turn out the lights. Keep hating on the people that work all hours of the day and night and put it all on the line to protect you.
By politcal pawn (85), Flanders on Feb 3, 13 12:55 PM
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I HAVE TO LAUGH AT TAXPAYERS THAT SUPPORT COPS. You people paying the tab will have to work till your way into your 60's to collect social security. Meanwhile these cops work 20 years and get a package tax free of over 100k a year. For a small police force this department has more firings, lawsuits, and other problems than any force you can think of. I think it's time to disband them.
By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 3, 13 12:57 PM
Chief - how much do you pay per year for cops? How much do you pay for the VOLLY EMT/Firemen?
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 13 1:03 PM
Chief
I know you never bother with facts, just your own opinions. But todays newspaper that covers all of Long Island........reports that the average pension given to cops is 42,000. per year. Again, hate to bother you with facts.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 13 2:18 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 13 2:18 PM
Read Reuters: How a vicious circle of self-interest sank a City- than kitten to Tony Bouza and Norm Stampler- thy don't remind me of any east end cops...
By bayarea (38), hampton bays on Feb 3, 13 8:29 PM
There must have been eye witnesses to this. Were any other law enforcement people there, either active or retired?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 4:11 PM
@ PBR Yes, there were numerous eye witnesses. Yes, there were many members of law enforcement there retired & active. The word is that they were all there for a retirement dinner. The biggest name being ex-chief Wilson who was with Mr. Gagnon and was well aware that Mr. Gagnon was going to F-!@#$% UP THIS GUY. Wilson did nothing, not one member of law enforcement did anything !! What happened to protect & serve ? what a disgrace. Many people are wondering why Wilson was not questioned at the scence ...more
By Watson (4), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 5:17 PM
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Thanks.

In my personal opinion only, any law enforcement person who KNEW the assailant's intentions (and stayed passive in silence) should be charged with criminal conspiracy.

Active duty personnel should also face departmental inquiries for dereliction of duty.

The Blue Line presents itself again.

The response of The Fourth Estate will be interesting as well.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 5:35 PM
Moreover, depending on the assailant's training in martial arts and using deadly force in self-defense, this could become Assault with a Deadly Weapon.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 6:05 PM
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Wrong Watson, it was Bridgehampton Fire Department Diner.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 6:08 PM
Hey Sherlock "dinner" not "diner"
By Hambone (382), New York on Feb 5, 13 5:25 PM
If found guilty, does he lose his pension? If not, other than a miracle, what exactly would it take for a cop to lose their pension?
By itsamazing (160), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 4:26 PM
He got in a bar fight.... why should he lose his pension that he earned working for 30 years? Not defending his actions.... but seriously?
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 5:05 PM
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I agree with Nature. Whats done is done. He earned apension, it is his. Do you reall ythink that thre should be "retro" punishment? It was a bar fight, they happen every day. Even given a crime of more stature, what would that have to do with his pension?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 5:09 PM
Whether or not it was earned is up for discussion. I have first hand knowledge of many of his escapades and it is not becoming of a public servant.
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 7:15 PM
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ditto goes for every politician but we soon will be celebrating a holiday to commemorate their birthdays! MLK did things not becoming of a preacher - but hey the guy is an American "saint"
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 8:22 PM
Oh boy, there goes the OT door opening . . .
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 9:54 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 9:56 PM
Is that a rhetorical question Blank?
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 10:09 PM
Knowing nothing about the details of public retirement benefits law (hey, why should knowledge precede a question here? :) ), one would assume that there are SOME criminal actions which could possibly jeopardize a pension. Doubt if a bar fight even gets close IMO.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:42 AM
It was a mugging, an unprovoked physical assault without warning that could have easily killed the victim in ICU. They were criminal felonious sucker punches, some of which were delivered intentionally while the victim was unconscious on the floor already.

The lowlife ex-cop should have been charged with attempted murder!
By Obbservant (329), southampton on Feb 15, 13 11:48 PM
Doesn’t anyone know that this is the same cop who got the town into a mega lawsuit that cost the town millions, with an illegal strip search of a young girl in 2003? --- For the record he started the fight, nobody else just him. The bar was full and the restaurant was half full. How does dear old Darren think he is getting out of this ? No free PBA lawyers now.
By Watson (4), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 5:29 PM
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Again, wrong Watson. He was employed by the VILLAGE, not the town.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 6:11 PM
Not WRONG - the police dept., the town & the village were all sued because of him !! 8 years of litigation cost ALL the tax payers millions !!!
By Watson (4), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 9:47 AM
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Southampton/173356/Appeals-court-favors-woman-suing-Southampton-Village-Police
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 9:57 AM
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Southampton/217432/Southampton-Village-victorious-in-strip-search-case
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 9:59 AM
It was reported in 2011 that her appeal was withdrawn, and no settlement was reported that I can find.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 10:07 AM
Thank you PBR. Watson, if the incident occurred in the village and he was employed by the village, how would the town have any liability?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 10:17 AM
A few facts Watson: She was 21, I guess in some circles that is a "young girl". The strip search was done by a female Police Officer.
On PBR's research, you have lost all credibility. The town was in no way sued and there was no settlement or expense. other than legal fees to any municipality.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 10:28 AM
@ Blank, you must be a advocate for gagnon. when your 21 year old daughter is strip searched let us all know how that goes for you. Check the federal data base on lawsuits READ the case then speak. 8 years of litigation, surely you jest, go down to village hall and FOIL the the case and you can see what it cost the tax payers. Oh and by the way, it is fact that the search was done by a female office, but videoed for the whole station for viewing. If you don't beleive that one, reach out to the victim ...more
By HARRY25 (2), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 11:17 AM
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By HARRY25 (2), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 11:21 AM
Not at all Harrry. I don't like the guy at all, wished he had never been given the job as a cop. But facts matter. Watson made several claims are not not true. It detracts from his ability to have any credibility once you do that.
Other here had claimed this was a police retirement party and that a "blue wall of silence" was in effect. This update prety much disputes that.
So how about you read these posts and then utter your opinions?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 12:53 PM
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Glad to see his ego caught up with him!!
By johnnyhampton (65), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 6:52 PM
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Ego?

Alcohol doth make fools of us all.
By Frank Wheeler (1275), Northampton on Feb 4, 13 7:10 PM
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Should we take this as a confession? :)
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:36 AM
I'll sign if you will, PBR.
By Frank Wheeler (1275), Northampton on Feb 5, 13 3:24 PM
"made" thank you.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:06 PM
people, he was forced out.....
By Qguy (18), quogue on Feb 4, 13 7:51 PM
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Hmmmm
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 8:00 PM
Can you give more info on him being forced out ?
By Watson (4), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 9:45 AM
I love people who b*tch about how much cops, teacher, etc. make... you could have gone into those professions. And no, i'm not a cop or teacher, just saying...
By Spikeland67 (22), Sag Harbor on Feb 4, 13 9:07 PM
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What if neither profession ever would have suited you, and you would have been sub-par at it?

Let's see, doing what I love and having a vacation for a vocation, OR being miserable for the love of money?

Yeah, I'll take the former, not the latter...
By Mr. Z (6376), North Sea on Feb 10, 13 6:37 PM
Hey Spike it's not jealousy, it's contempt for overpayment.
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 13 7:50 PM
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By Spikeland67 (22), Sag Harbor on Feb 4, 13 9:07 PM
I love people who think there post is so good it should be shown twice;)
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 9:12 PM
I love people who don't know the difference between there and their.
By Uncle Fester (42), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 9:45 PM
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Touche Uncle Fester. I must always be conscious of the grammar police:)
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 13 10:07 PM
Der yu go!
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:36 AM
It was a Police retirement dinner for Wilson - not a FD dinner. Wilson was employed by both the Village and the Town, though briefly by the Town.
This incident apparently happened a year and a day since that dirty cop Gagnon was booted. If the injuries are bad enough, he could lose his pension in the Civil Suit. We can only dream. Unfortunately, the local dirty judges will let him off with nothing. Look at how they handle repeat DWI cases.
By G (200), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 7:04 AM
"local dirty judges"? Are you serious? I never liked this guy either, but where do you get off calling him "dirty"?
No civil suit, resulting ffrom a bar fight will cost this guy his pension. And it was 3 guys getting together for a diner. The Briidgehamton FD had most of the table in the place for their own diner.
To lose his pension it would have to involve something along the lines of the LIRR employees fraudulent disability retirements.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 9:04 AM
Article updated.

If the defendant in fact was waiting until his two buddies arrived to ATTACK, this crime has been under-charged IMO.

Sounds like premeditation and no provocation.

How much martial arts and self-defense training has he had?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 11:34 AM
Coward Coward Coward, this deadbeat Darren had every opportunity to strike the victim when they were face to face . He waited until the other bar customers defused the situation and the victim was seated at the bar with his back turned to the coward Darren. That is when Darren sucker punched the victim 3 times separating his larynx and sending him to ICU.
There is nothing worse them a coward
By JCE (1), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 11:47 AM
Sounds to me that this crime has to be investigated by the NY State Attorney General. Too many local law enforcement people involved. It would be the just way to approach this.
By Toma Noku (172), uptown on Feb 5, 13 12:17 PM
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Hopefully Ms. McKinley will be following on with the victim's condition.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 12:43 PM
Seems perfectly aboveboard to me. A retired cop cold-cocks a defenseless citizen with a sucker punch, then hits him a few more times after he's out cold on the ground (according to one witness), sending the victim to the I.C.U., which results in a misdemeanor charge.

Precisely the outcome one would expect if a common citizen had been the assailant, no? How could folks be so mean-spirited as to suggest that this is favoritism and "professional courtesy"?

To refute these specious ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 5, 13 1:16 PM
Yes, HHS, except an arrest was made and now it is in the hands on the DA's office and the courts. Unless we wil now hear from you that the DA's office is inept, corrupt and in bed with the assailant.
And once again, the incident occurred in the town, not in the village, which no longer has any interest in the assailants doings as he is retired.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 1:27 PM
@Blank. there is a stink factor here due to all the local cops involved. I've heard that Suffolk County DA Spota's son was an SHVPD intern at the time that Wilson was in charge and when Gannon was a cop there. That I believe is a good reason to have the State DA as opposed to the local DA investigate.
By Toma Noku (172), uptown on Feb 5, 13 1:33 PM
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There is no such thing as a "State DA" Further, what is a SHVPD intern? Never heard of it and I would be surprised if the DA's family was in that position. "All the ciops involved"? read the story, there was ONE cop involved and he was promptly arrested as would any civilian. So put down the pitch forks and tell the rest of the village to take a deep breath.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 1:55 PM
There apparently were 2-3 retired cops there, including former Chief Wilson.

To quote the article:
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"Three witnesses to the fight, who asked not to be identified, said that the victim did not throw any punches and made no physically threatening motions toward Mr. Gagnon prior to the assault.

At least two other retired Village Police officers were present as well, though witnesses said that the other men, including former Village Police ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 2:00 PM
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this is sick, he only gets assault in the third degree? Like he wasn't trying to inflict harm, give me a break, he sucker punched the guy! These hot headed cops or should I say "retired" cops think they can get away with everything. And they DO! Suffolk county should stop paying their cops so much and stop giving ridiculous pensions that last out for 30 something years! This is going on while others are scraping by at 65 years old!

I doubt this ex cop will get any time at all, meanwhile ...more
By WatsonLloyd (1), Southampton, New York on Feb 5, 13 2:08 PM
Granted PBR, but judging by Wilson's statement, I don't see him as being in the assailant's corner on this one. And does their mere presence indicate that the DA's office is going to make this go away, as is the undercurrent of many of the postings here? As I read it, Wilson had just gotten there, when the assault happened and Lewis "had just barely entered the building" I'm just not seeing any kind of cover up or conspiracy here. As ugly as this incident is, it comes down to a simple misdemenor ...more
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 2:09 PM
Following up on the head count above, the question is whether there was a cop with the defendant at the bar before Chief Wilson and Mr. Lewis entered the building. The article is vague on this, and the answer to this question is very important to ascertain.

Any additional law enforcement person with knowledge of the defendant's intended and imminent unprovoked attack, may be facing charges. At a minimum, the Town Police and the DA owe an explanation or clarification of the head count IMO.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:19 PM
When you are retired you are not law enforcement personnel anymore, so your nonsense about them being charged just for being there means that the rest of the people in the place should be charged as well.
By Clarity (65), Whb on Feb 5, 13 4:39 PM
I was referring to active duty law enforcement people only, sorry if that was not clear (even if off-duty at the time), who have a higher duty to act than the average citizen.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:48 PM
This is going tp play out just like the prior cases of misconduct, using drugs on duty, covering the same up, missing/ destroyed police documents, lying to DA deceives....You have to wonder though if the roles were reversed and it was an off-duty or retired cop that ended up in the ICU- I think the perp would have been charged with a felony-after he got out of ICU.
By bayarea (38), hampton bays on Feb 5, 13 4:32 PM
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By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:42 PM
Agreed. Nothing at any level will happen. Spota is useless as he started his career as the PBA head in WHB. As long as he is DA - this will continue to happen. A good Civil suit by the victim could take all of the dirtbags pension, month by month in the form of restitution payments. That might stop some of this insanity by our so called cops.
By G (200), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:44 PM
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Once again G, facts do matter. He started as an assistant DA. That was after law school, which was after he did a tour as a Marine in Vietnam. He went onto private practice, during which time he represented a few different PBA as labor counsel. He was NEVER the "PBA Head" And no, a civil suit will not result in Gagnon losing his pension, unless there are some VERY debilitating life altering injuries.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 6:59 PM
The article was just updated, to provide more detail about Mr. Wilson's statement(s) and the differences between the degrees of assault possible here (third vs. second -- misdemeanor vs. felony).

To quote the article:
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"Mr. Wilson said when reached by telephone this week. “I was hanging my coat on the back of a chair and the next thing I knew it was over. I was dumbfounded.”

"All three witnesses interviewed said that Mr. ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 4:45 PM
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Very observant point you raise with respect to Chief Wilson. He seems to be inconsistent here. What you say here as to witnesses is also consistent with what someone stated in another blog to the effect that allegedly when Wilson walked into BV's Gannon went up to him and said words to the effect "you got my back, watch what I'm going to do to this guy..." This, to the extent its true or accurate, would imply to me that this was premeditated. As for Wilson's role and knowledge it seems to indicate ...more
By V.Tomanoku (599), southampton on Feb 5, 13 5:29 PM
Right on PBR. Definitely smells fishy.
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 5:38 PM
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By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 5, 13 5:18 PM
It is unfortunate that the Internet has degenerated into nothing but an unfettered men’s room wall for every angry, dysfunctional, jealous and cowardly anonymous poster who roams its cyber halls…

Here are the FACTS (you remember those right?)
• There was an incident at Bobby Vans
• A retired Police Sergeant was arrested for assault
• A victim was transported to the hospital for treatment of injuries (and no he is not injured to a felony level...as ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 5:57 PM
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As Benjamin Franklin once said, "“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”

Inquiring minds ask questions, and consider possibilities, especially concerning people in positions of power.

That is the purpose of these forums.

sunnydays, you are free to ignore all material here, and to move on. You are also free not to criticize those in power for abusing their power. Our world is diminished by the silence of those who see abuse, ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 6:06 PM
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PS sunnydays, you seem to have personal knowledge of the facts beyond what is being reported. How does this square with your list of "the FACTS?"

["not injured to a felony level...as of now"]

Please define "now" and how you know about the victim's medical condition "now."

Ditto for your statement that "NO ONE ELSE from the FD/PD retired or active was involved at all!"

Were you at Bobby Van's that night? Are you related to or know anyone who was there? Etc..

Thank ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 6:13 PM
In this instance I know more than you.
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 6:24 PM
Sunnydays, what do you know that we don't?
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 6:44 PM
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I second that.

sunnydays, you came barging in full of attitude about people speculating etc. beyond the facts.

Now it turns out you really want to play "hide and seek" with YOUR OWN PRIVATE FACTS?

Is there any chance you will awaken, recognize your coy manipulative ways and come clean?

Are we here for The Truth or deception?

What a tangled web we weave . . .

By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 7:44 AM
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It's a bar fight, people that go to bars get in to fights. It was a bar fight, not cancer - jeez!
By whatapity (78), Tuckahoe on Feb 5, 13 6:05 PM
No. They don't. "Bar fights" indicates at least a modicum of participation on behalf of the involved parties. All reports here indicate this was more like a "restaurant patron assaulted". Better never go out to eat, Pity.
By VOS (623), WHB on Feb 6, 13 11:52 PM
PBR,
"That is the purpose of these forums" Really? have you ever once seen where an office holder responded to people here?
27east reports what they feel is important to a story. That does not question their integrity, it's just the way it is.
I've thrown this ut before, but how many of you have EVER, gone to a Town or Village Board meeting and echoed these same concerns?Just because you have a keyboard, does not make you a good citizen ( directed to al, not just PBR.)
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 6:20 PM
Raises hand.
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 6:45 PM
As Benjamin Franklin once said, "“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”

Inquiring minds ask questions, and consider possibilities, especially concerning people in positions of power.

That is the purpose of these forums.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 7:04 PM
blank!, although your question was rhetorical (wasn't it?), and the answer is really none of your business, yes I have been to plenty of public meetings on a variety of issues through the decades.

And -- IMO various people in public office do read these forums (or have their staff do so), so the discussions here DO influence decision-making in many ways.

Does the person standing on a street corner holding a sign or wearing a placard go to meetings?

Who knows? The answer ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 7:09 PM
G "local dirty Judges" ?? I believe the justices that on our benches are above board in all cases and resent that you have cast them all in a "dirty" mold. All are above reproach and have proved this time and time again. I think an apology is in order.
By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 5, 13 7:37 PM
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I trust our local judges as well.
By dnice (1355), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 13 7:44 PM
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By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Feb 5, 13 9:25 PM
In the face of the evidence that Gagnon premeditatedly coldcocked the victim with a sucker punch and then hit him several times more as he lay unconscious on the ground, sending him to the I.C.U. where he remains today, the investigating STPD officer chose to level only a misdemeanor charge on the basis that the suspect did not intend "serious" injury.

This behavior epitomizes the pernicious sense of entitlement that infects the STPD. It thinks that it can do anything it pleases (in this ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 6, 13 12:45 AM
You now for a fact that the victim is still in ICU?
Even if he is, Assault 2nd requires "serious physical injury" the definition of which is injury capable of causing death. I do not know that to be the case here, do you?
Now, if Gagnon had kiddie porn in his pocket, and the SHTPD failed to arrest him for same, one wonders what garbage would spew from your keyboard.
I further take it that you have brought this incident to the Attorney General's office?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 13 1:19 AM
Regarding the issue of second vs. third degree assault, the article says (assuming this summary of the law is correct):
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"Assault in the third degree differs from assault in the second degree, a felony count, by the degree of intent to cause injury; a felony count can be filed when the investigating officer believes the intent was to inflict “serious” injury, such as by using a weapon.

“I grew up in a tough neighborhood ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 5:28 AM
There would be no elevation of the charges based on "police training" I doubt the urban legend of martial arts training making hands "deadly weapons/instruments"has ever played a part in charges against an assailant.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 13 11:22 AM
No apology here for the dirty local judges comment. As long as they keep turning DWI cases loose, over & over - then they are dirty IMO. Our judges are no more than political hacks, their rulings dictated by the party bosses. I'd list out articles here where judges let drunks walk - but as Chief1 knows, any attempt to show a pattern of problems here gets deleted. It's called censorship.
By G (200), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 7:25 AM
I miss my little Village...
By Randall Feinberg (1), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 11:35 AM
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to But I'm a blankk:

Your quibbles and denigrating comments aside, concussion often results in death and you can be sure that if Gagnon had kiddie porn in his pocket we will never hear of it.

As for notifying the Attorney General, point taken. We can be sure that none of our local elected officials will take the initiative. I'll draft a letter.

One wonders if cop apologists observe ANY limit to despicable behavior by their devotional subjects beyond which they will cease ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 6, 13 11:42 AM
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So, is the victim, or isn't he still in ICU as you claim?
Yes, perfectly legit statement that the arresting officers would have let kiddie porn slip through. Makes complete sense. (duh)
Please keep uus informed as to the response you receive from the Atttorney General;'s office.
Apologist? Please clear the hatred from your eyes and readd my posts here.
I can only imagine what incident has made you into such a hate filled arrogant
individual.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 13 1:42 PM
The incedent you wonder about is that ONCE HHS was pulled over for something he alleges didn't occur. He went to court to fight it, the officer "lied" and HHS had to pay a fine. He was "shocked" to find out that an officer would "lie". So, instead of taking responsibility for his actions, he has since made it his goal in life to tear down any and all police officers on the 27east message boards. He also refuses to put his name out there, or make actual complaints to the Town for fear of retribution ...more
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 9:15 AM
The cops can retire at 42 I probally have to wait to my 70's and I pay for their welfare pension. Whats wrong with this picture? By the way cops retiring the last 5 years get a package of over 100k in Suffolk County. The taxpayer is a sucker.
By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 6, 13 2:25 PM
I wonder how this case would read if the NY state police were the first responders????? and does anyone know where Chief Wilson is working now??
By unclemilt (23), southampton on Feb 6, 13 5:53 PM
Early reports were the victim was hit with an item, not hands. Is this correct? If so would that not be assault with a weapon? Someone with actual knowledge please comment.
By bird (100), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 6:42 PM
Where did you see that report?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 13 6:51 PM
There may be an attempted political assassination being conducted:

“At least two other retired Village Police officers were present as well, though witnesses said that the other men, including former Village Police and Town Police Chief William Wilson Jr., had just entered the building when the fight broke out.”
“The other two guys walk in, they didn’t even have their coats off and he went over to [the victim]—I was looking right at it—and punches ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 13 10:51 PM
Any word on the condition of the victim in this brutal premeditated attack?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 7, 13 9:09 AM
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If the facts submitted by witnesses and press are accurate Mr. Gagnon is a coward. Doesn't matter that he is a retired officer or college professor. Real men know a cowardly act when they see it. This must be investigated and justice should prevail. We all will be watching.
By mexicokid (11), brooklyn on Feb 7, 13 9:45 AM
to But I'm a blank!:

Over the years, as the STPD has made headlines because of its insubordination, ineffectiveness, unprofessionalism and corruption, I have commented on it. Now it is in the news because of its assumption of entitlement to limit the criminal culpability of fellow officers, and I am commenting on that. The reason that I have been accused of picking on the STPD is because it has been in the news so often because of its misfeasance, malfeasance and incompetence. There ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 7, 13 3:26 PM
Rumor has it HHS borrows Frances Genovese's thesaurus for his posts...
By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 3:32 PM
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For the third time, highthat, is the victim stil in ICU as you have stated?
As to your other allegations: Have you ever once, called the Chief, ever, and asked for a sit down so that you might enlighten others with your boundless knowledge and set the world (or at least SHTPD) straight?
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 6:06 PM
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to Nature & But I'm a blank!:

Thank you both for so reliably proving my point. Rather than another risibly feeble attempt at actually ANSWERING my allegations and taking another stab at defending the deplorable behavior of the STPD, you both choose to attack me.

But to answer the irrelevant questions of But I'm a blank!, no, I don't know if the victim is still in intensive care. He was at last report. If you know his current status, please post it. We would all like to know, ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 7, 13 6:45 PM
The answer would be the extent of the victim's injuries. Being placed in ICU, does not define the level of injuries. If he was as YOU claim still in ICU, it would indeed lead me to think that it may rise to the level of serious physical injuries, and upgraded charges. It may very well be headed to the Grand Jury, I have no clue, nor do you.
The intent of this diatribe, was YOUR statement that the victim was stil in ICU and I asked if you knew that to be a fact. You then went on to change the ...more
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 6:55 PM
hey! I take offense HHS... Frances Genovese has a stupendous (see what I did there?) vocabulary... I would take it as a compliment if someone compared me to her. Check out her "A broken system" letter to the editor (notice how she puts her name out there for all to see? yea ok, I don't either, whatever) where she throws hooks, jabs and her own sucker punches at Town hall employees and politicians with a vocabulary that I am envious of.

By Nature (2608), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 7:29 PM
Any work on the victim's condition? Its been a week and I've not found any information anywhere. In any event, I wish him well and keep in my thoughts.
By V.Tomanoku (599), southampton on Feb 7, 13 4:50 PM
It is reported elsewhere that the victim left the hospital after two days. TBD.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 7, 13 6:25 PM
G if yoiu have info regarding DWI cases put it forth. My knowledge is that the Justices are above reproach and handle all cases fairly. Again if you have info I don't please enlighten me.
By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 7, 13 8:20 PM
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By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 7, 13 8:20 PM
This is an opportunity for the police department and judicial system of Southampton to regain some long lost credibility. Elevate the charges to 2nd degree assault, convict Mr Gagnon and give him the maximum sentence. This is an open and shut case, complete with victim, witnesses and premeditation. Mr Gagnon is obviously a predator whose violent behave will be missed by neither the citizens of Southampton nor its police force.
By SouthforkJoe (5), Montauk on Feb 8, 13 11:17 AM
Sure X, you must be new out here. How about that Real Estate Agent who got DWI after DWI after DWI? Caused an accident. What did the Judge do there? Or maybe the local Judges boyfriend & his DWI? Or her brothers numerous infractions? Another Judge refused to grant an OP against a local cop who broke into her house to leave explicit notes. That took a lawsuit to get. chief1 made a great point about a certain cop who is still on the job after a dwi that ended with others being hurt. That comment like ...more
By G (200), Southampton on Feb 8, 13 12:02 PM
I think the incident your talking about resulted in a woman being killed. I don't know why my posts get deleted when they are true, and have actually been printed in this paper. We just had another case published in this paper of a off duty deputy Sheriff running over some poor migrant worker in Flanders. The cop was of course allegedly drunk. There are plenty of good cops, and people that are on the list to waiting to be cops. We need to get rid of these bad ones, take away their pensions, and ...more
By chief1 (1366), southampton on Feb 9, 13 11:15 AM
This is the kind of thug that all too often joins Police Departments all over the country, most especially in the South. Overpaid, entitled, overpensione, overbenefitted for the type mostly giving out traffic tickets with compensation packages grossly exceeding what real cops make in Metropolitan areas like NYC.

And that slimey PolicePolice brotherhood ensures such horrendous unjustified assault that could have caused (and still can)the victim his life get a misdemeanor charge from his ...more
By Obbservant (329), southampton on Feb 9, 13 2:37 AM
G I believe those cases were handled through the DA's office and NOT our local justice court system. I stand by my statement that our justices are above board on all cases.
By xtiego (310), bridgehampton on Feb 10, 13 5:45 PM
All cases in local court are handled by the East End DA's office. The defense and the DA work out a plea or go to trial in front of one of four judges. That's the way it is. Way too many eyes for anything hokey to happen. G and Chief both are just morons with modems who spew their banter thinking someone cares what they think.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 13 12:19 PM
To further elucidate, that's the East End bureau of the Suffolk County District Attorney's office. It remains to be seen if this office is able to overcome the initial misdirection of the STPD.

It is hard to see how a premeditated, underhanded assault on a defenseless victim causing concussion (a frequently mortal trauma) and hospitalization in the ICU can be construed as anything other than an "intent to cause 'serious' injury" (the qualification for a felony charge), but stranger things ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 12, 13 1:39 PM
"premeditated" has nothing to do with it. As far as intent, "intent to cause serious physical injury AND causes serious physical injury" is the requirement for Assault 2nd a "D" Felony. Again, if you know the diagnoses, please elaborate. Placement in ICU is often a precaution, and I am not claiming that the injuries were not serious physical injuries, I just havent seen any proof, or info on this site.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 13 1:55 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

Premeditation is required for intent. Concussion (which often results in death [vide Natasha Richardson]) is a serious injury, full stop. Repeatedly hitting an unconscious man whom one has already concussed is evidence of intent to inflict that serious injury.

The investigating officer was aware that all the criteria for a felony accusation had been met and, nevertheless, chose to charge only a misdemeanor (for the reason that none but p.d. sycophants doubt.)

It ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 12, 13 4:06 PM
Has an arraignment date been set?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 11, 13 12:42 PM
blank, do the East End ADA's have the authority on their own to change the charge to a felony here? Do their supervisors and/or the Suffolk County D. A. have this authority?

Once the charge is, as here, as misdemeanor, what process is available for increasing the charge to a felony (Grand Jury, etc.)?

Hopefully the Press will do a follow-up on the extent of the victim's injuries.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 1:53 PM
Has to go to a Grand Jury for a felony charge.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 13 1:57 PM
"Serious Physical Injury" has a definition in the Penal Law. It says that there must be a SUBSTANTIAL risk of death or death. In ordinary language, that means that the person had to be beaten so severly that they thought he would most likely die or did die. If the police charge a felony assault, the defense lawyer would probably just ask the victim "are you about to die?". And when the victim replies "No", then the lawyer could ask for the charges to be thrown out.
Don't overcharge. Don't make ...more
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 12, 13 5:15 PM
Thanks Spinny. If any active duty law enforcement personnel were with the defendant, and knew he was going back to beat the "you know what" out of the victim, would their inaction in preventing this assault raise any conspiracy issues in your opinion?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 5:45 PM
Spinny, is this the definition you referenced?

"10. "Serious physical injury" means physical injury which creates a
substantial risk of death, OR which causes death or serious and protracted disfigurement, protracted impairment of health or protracted loss OR impairment of the function of any bodily organ."

[emphasis added with the word "OR" changed to capital letters]

This definition contains two OR's which make your analysis seem a bit disingenuous, does it not?

The ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 5:56 PM
Nose is not an organ. The brain is an organ but they would have to show an impairment. I do not think anybody is claiming loss of brain function. The other sections such as disfigurement or protracted impairment of health do not apply if the victim does not have any lasting major injuries.
Yes the DA can charge the Felony and also include the Assault 2nd as a lesser offense but the Felony might not make it past Grand Jury and also trial juries tend to dislike when prosecuters try the "Throw ...more
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 12, 13 7:21 PM
Thanks. Let the GJ consider the felony IMO. Trial strategy TBD based on the evidence.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 7:30 PM
There would likey be case law stating what "impairment" means.You take a punch in the nose, that organ is impaired. You get knifed in the aorta, the aorta is impaired. Somewhere is a definition of impairment.
I'm still a bit lost on your conspriacy issues though, PBR. As far as has been reported, the two other leo's there were retired.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 13 6:19 PM
It may be that all the facts have not come to light about other people there. Ditto victim and his friends at the bar. Was there a woman there, and was this a factor in why the defendant came back three times?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:22 PM
Are there "prior bad acts" (not necessarily criminal) showing a pattern of behavior with women? Does the night in question fit the pattern?

What WAS the defendant's beef with the victim and/or his party, for him to be upset enough to go over three times?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:25 PM
What does the videotape show? How aggressive was the body language (on both "sides")?

What has the witness testimony shown? Including the victim and his friends. Did the defendant know any of them before the evening in question?

FACTS! FACTS! FACTS!

We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg IMO.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:26 PM
In sum, "We the People" deserve the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth.

Without favoritism . . .
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:29 PM
PS -- speaking of which, how is the investigation going into the hit-and-run death of Sister Walsh 7 months ago going?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:53 PM
Well of course you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. The story as presented is a few paragraphs long. No doubt the actual paperwork and statements are numerous pages long.Videotape? woman? Are you just adding facts? I thought only hhs did that.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 13 8:25 PM
Questions asked, just questions. No statements of fact at all.

Inquiring minds want to know the details, and the questions asked were fairly reasonable, weren't they? The article refers to a "group" of people in the victim's party. How many? At least 3 right? All men? A woman included?

Don't most bars have video camera surveillance running all the time? IMO BV's installed some looking at the cash registers decades ago. Depending on the lens, did they show this altercation.

Just ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 8:39 PM
to Spinny OHO:

It's s.o.p. for cops to lay every charge conceivable in every arrest. Just look at the Riverhead schoolteacher who was pulled over for a DUI, discovered to have a handgun in his car, and was charged with ELEVEN crimes. Why did they treat the Gagnon incident differently?

(By the way, as far as I can see, most authorities consider the nose to be an organ, the peripheral olfactory organ, to be exact, although some distinguish it as either part of a larger organ or ...more
By highhatsize (2162), East Quogue on Feb 13, 13 1:22 PM
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Beside charging this dork with the Lindberg caper, what else is it that you think he should have been charged with hat?
Keeping in mind that the school teacher did in fact have the gun, and the other charges were warranted.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 13 11:45 AM
Listen, I've peripherally seen gagnon for the past 20 years. Is he shady? Yes. Is he a power abuser in my opinion? Yes. Would he sucker punch someone in a bar? Again, in my opinion, yes. But PBR, your conspiracy theories are silly. Cutout above statement that his hands might be considered deadly weapons? I almost wet myself laughing. Your theories on Billy Wilson and the other officer who entered the bar? Again, c'mon buddy, you are really reaching.
By bubby (203), southampton on Feb 13, 13 2:45 PM
Just logical questions IMO, bubby, by one member of the uninformed public. Thank you for the reply.

One unfortunate consequence of The Blue Wall of Silence, historically, is that those on the other side of it (the public) may end up asking stupid questions and considering theories which seem "reaching" to those protected by The Wall.

Want better questions and theories from the public?

As Ronald Regan said, "Tear Down That Wall . . . "

Questions remain here IMO ...more
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 13, 13 3:33 PM
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Not to mention questions about a LOE with the qualities you listed (in your personal opinion, understood): "shady . . . power abuser . . . sucker puncher."

'nuff said . . .
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 13, 13 3:43 PM
Correction "LEO."
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 14, 13 4:53 PM
A broken nose is not "serious physical injury". There is plenty of case law to show that. Some case law even has a broken nose as Harassment 2nd, a violation, not even misdemeanor.
Read the definition that PBR listed above. Its not just a cut or scar to the face. Its "serious and protracted disfigurement". Its not just getting hurt it is "physical injury which creates a substantial risk of death, OR which causes death". It is not a broken nose which eventually heals and operates fine. It is ...more
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 13, 13 9:05 PM
Broken nose?

Where is this injury mentioned in the article?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 14, 13 11:42 AM
Spinny, any thoughts on the alleged injuries reported by bubby below?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 14, 13 4:57 PM
I do not know anything about the victim or the injuries that he got. I just wanted to point out that for Felony Assault charges there needs to be a "serious" physical injury which means death, likely to cause death, or a injury that is so horrific that it changes the persons life. I see nothing to indicate from the news story that the victim came close to such an injury.
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 15, 13 11:04 AM
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Thanks Spinny.

If the defendant threw the final punch (to the throat/larynx area according to bubby below) while the victim was unconscious, with the intent to do serious injury, and if the victim in fact still has damage to this area, would your view change?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 10:59 AM
It's not a matter of "damage". For Assualt 2nd, it must be SERIOUS physical injuries. Which is a legal term.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 13 11:42 AM
Thanks blank, so let's consider a hypothetical situation, OK? Even though there is a legal term at issue, lay people can discuss English words and their definitions I assume?

If the victim could never talk normally again, and let's say he was a radio disc jockey, would that be SERIOUS damage in your opinion?

(PS -- Obviously the facts of this case go beyond what is reported above. We just don't know all the facts yet.)
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 11:54 AM
Other publications may have updated articles on this IMO.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 11:55 AM
You have a valid point, PBR. But lay people discussing it, should know that the discussions are for naught. The DA's and defense attorneys will argue a different case, based on legel definitions and case/statuatory law.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 13 12:05 PM
Thanks for the reply. Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 12:22 PM
I brought it up as an analogy, and it took on a life of it's own.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 13 12:40 PM
It was actually a blow to the throat that caused the most damage. Apparently after the first punch to the head, he hit him in the throat while he was done. Trachea or larynx damage.
By bubby (203), southampton on Feb 14, 13 1:56 PM
Thanks, do you mean "while he was DOWN" by any chance? As in lying on the ground, and unconscious?

And there was also a broken nose, as you indicated above?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 14, 13 3:25 PM
I did mean while he was down. Autocorrect is both a blessing and a curse. I have no idea about a broken nose
By bubby (203), southampton on Feb 14, 13 6:38 PM
And was the victim unconscious when the blow to the throat was done?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 14, 13 10:21 PM
bubby, was the victim unconscious before the defendant threw the final punch to the throat?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 6:05 AM
No he was not
By HARRY25 (2), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 11:39 AM
According to other sources, one eye witness has changed her story.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 9:25 AM
What others sources? From what statement to what statement?
By SouthforkJoe (5), Montauk on Feb 18, 13 11:07 AM
27east does not permit URL links to articles in other publications. A Google search should prove easy.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 11:20 AM
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By HARRY25 (2), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 11:38 AM
HARRY25 referred to the other publication by name, hence the deleted comment. He also raised an interesting question, whether the female eye witness knew or had any relationship with the defendant.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 1:01 PM
Yes, it was stated in another article that she stated she knew the defendant beforehand. It also says that he is due to appear in court Feb. 27th.
By PeteyBoy (4), Southampton on Feb 20, 13 11:46 AM
Is this arraignment tomorrow or maybe later this week?

Is the Grand Jury considering this case?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 5:35 PM
Court date was Feb 27th. Anyone know the latest on this?
By SouthforkJoe (5), Montauk on Mar 1, 13 3:19 AM
Reported elsewhere that the afternoon arraignment was "unexpectedly" moved to the morning, and the defendant just happened to be in court (presumably) to plead guilty. Burke is defense counsel.
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By PBR (4366), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 12:36 PM
Not at all unusual. If Burke was scheduled to be in court in the morning, it is common to allow defense counsel to do all his business in one vist at the same time.
By But I'm a blank! (825), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 13 10:11 AM
Granted, but was the defendant also in the court room to enter his plea (hours early presumably)? Was his presence required for the first appearance for a misdemeanor?
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Mar 5, 13 1:03 PM
He plead not guilty, sorry for the error above.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Mar 5, 13 2:21 PM
Pleading guilty to a misdemeanor is a no-brainer for Mr Gagnon. Far better than the 2nd degree assault felony charge that is more appropriate for his crime.
By SouthforkJoe (5), Montauk on Mar 5, 13 9:55 AM
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