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Feb 4, 2015 10:55 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Students Petition District To Change Columbus Day's Name

Feb 4, 2015 12:05 PM

In fourteen hundred and ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue.But is that worth celebrating?

That is the question seventh-graders have posed to the Southampton School Board. They hope to have the district rename the October school holiday to respect the people Columbus killed after discovering the new world.

For several weeks, the students in Kelly Anderson’s and Ken Sisco’s social studies classes have been studying Christopher Columbus—a study that culminated in a mock trial to argue both sides of the explorer’s “discovering of America.” In the end, while the students decided he was, in fact, the first European to land in South America—not North America, and not what would later become the United States. Columbus’s first landfall was in the Bahamas, and from there he explored South America. The class found his actions were unacceptable, and he was found guilty of murdering thousands of indigenous people.

Columbus Day first became a federal holiday in 1937, although a number of states—including Alaska, Hawaii and Oregon—do not recognize the holiday. According to Southampton School District Superintendent Dr. Scott Farina, the State Education Department forbids the district to have students in school on Columbus Day, but it is unclear whether there is any regulation requiring the district to actually call the holiday Columbus Day.

After spending several weeks studying the famous Italian explorer, 25 Southampton seventh-graders last month wrote

letters to the School Board arguing their point. The students are still waiting to hear back from the board and Dr. Farina said he and board members were happy to hear the students fighting for something they believed in, and that he and the board would look into the legality of changing the name.

“We are hoping to change the name of the day, because of all the horrible things that he did,” 12-year-old David Mahoney said on Tuesday. “We did a mock trial in class, and we found him guilty of his crimes.”

As part of their study, the students were divided into two teams, the prosecution and the defense. Thirteen-year-old Aidan Wisniewski-Campo played the role of Christopher Columbus. “It was hard to make him look innocent,” Aidan said. “I tried, but he was found guilty.”

For Nashota Williams, 12, her class’s focus on Columbus, and the push to change the name of the holiday, has a personal significance. As a member of the Shinnecock Indian Nation, Nashota said she does not see why people would want to celebrate Columbus, who was known for slaughtering countless Native Americans.

“I am Shinnecock, so speaking from the perspective of my people, this is important,” Nashota said. “Most people think that he discovered America, but he did not. He did not even touch America. So why are we celebrating him?”

“Why would we want to celebrate somebody who killed America’s own?” Aidan asked. ‘Why do we have a big statue in Columbus Circle of him, even though he killed our people? The only great thing he did was bring new foods back and forth between the New World and Europe. He came here for greed and money.”

As part of their pitch, 12-year-old Wayne Moore explained that the class researched other schools that have made similar changes. Washington State, for example, does not celebrate the holiday, Wayne said. Some proposed alternative names include Indigenous Peoples Day, Italian-American Day and Heritage Day.

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I think it's great that the teachers encouraged the kids to think critically about things, that they want them to reexamine and ask questions of things. Very awesome to see young people getting involved in policy. Kudos to Ms. Anderson and Mr. Sisco, and all the students!
By det7408 (7), Bridgehampton on Feb 6, 15 8:57 AM
Really??!! This is Political Correctness run amok! What was taught to these students that led to this ? Does the curriculum now portray Columbus as a mass murdered instead of an explorer? Are parents paying attention to what their kids are 'learning' ? What other surprises are there? Is American history still taught ? What about the founding Fathers? This is disturbing
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Feb 6, 15 10:02 AM
Do you celebrate "Earth is Flat Day", Pluto is a Planet Day", "Lance Armstrong is Honest Day"? How about "Cigarettes are Healthy Day"? The version of history we learned was a joke in regards to Columbus. Its very easy to research especially since you obviuoulsy have a computer...Educate yourself!
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 15 4:32 PM
This is the opposite of disturbing. It is excellent that students are being encouraged to think for themselves after reading and researching a subject. For a lot of Native Americans, Columbus Day is a quiet day of mourning for all they lost after Columbus "discovered" America. Their varied cultures and ways of life were overpowered and destroyed in North, South and Central America. Millions of them died from European diseases or were killed or enslaved by Europeans over the years - starting in ...more
By moonpie (43), Southampton on Feb 7, 15 10:01 AM
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They learned the truth. Welcome to your rude awakening, should you choose to accept it.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 7:28 PM
This is a perfect example of what's wrong with the U.S. and, especially, the education of young people in the U.S. It is clear that no one has explained to these young, impressionable minds the context of Columbus' time (1492, barely out of the middle ages) and accomplishments. Certainly, this idiocy is nothing to celebrate in a news article. Columbus ushered in an era of discovery, exploration and colonization - he must have been a mix of brave, driven, ambitious and somewhat crazy - and he ...more
By JB1994 (2), Southampton on Feb 6, 15 10:27 AM
Please see my comment to bigfresh above. It applies to you as well...
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 15 4:33 PM
Columbus was a vehicle for the inevitable expansion of Europeans and the need for trade. He helped to open the door for everything that followed - and many great things did. In 1492, his actions were in the context of the times - whether one thinks them cruel or justified, those were the times. In the end, it's about survival of the fittest and it's part of human evolution. He changed the course of history, ultimately, for the better. If he's too controversial, we should also think about cancelling ...more
By JB1994 (2), Southampton on Feb 6, 15 6:14 PM
Okay - I see your point...but just because someone did something, doesn't mean we should forgive or even celebrate his legacy. He brought pain to millions of people. That's not something to celebrate. Let's celebrate Hitlers birthday too.
This country was perfect before he came and would still be perfect now.
By Polandspring (83), Southampton on Feb 7, 15 6:17 PM
Cristoforo Colombo was a murdering, maiming, torturing, slaver and explorer who engaged in genocide.

Regardless of achievement, he was a tyrannical psychopath. De las Casas' and Bobadilla's reports to the Spanish Crown document such conclusively.

Washington Irving DID NOT write a book of history. It was a work of FICTION, plain and simple. Please try to unlearn it as factual.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 1:34 PM
It's clear these students have been examining primary sources and not reading historical interpretations. Columbus Day was created through pressure of the Knights of Columbus which was providing heavy political endorsements at the time of the creation of the holiday. Kudos to these social studies teachers for having their students be free thinkers.
By BaymenNYC (59), Manhattan on Feb 6, 15 10:33 AM
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And the Knights Templar beat him to the punch by 200 years.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 10:57 PM
When my son was in the 6th grade at SIS, he came home and told me that his teacher said Christopher Columbus is a murderer. Followed by another teacher (English) saying there should not be a "Columbus day" to celebrate the discovery of America. Is history being rewritten? I am unaware of any change in the historical prospectus. This is another example of our liberal teachers polluted the minds of our young people....
By powerwalker1 (3), on Feb 6, 15 10:49 AM
Try reading a history book written after 1950 and see what you think...
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 15 4:38 PM
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By powerwalker1 (3), on Feb 6, 15 10:49 AM
These students are correct in saying that Columbus came to the New World and did not form positive relationships with the indigenous; instead he took their goods and enslaved some/sent some back to Spain. What and how these teachers are teaching their students is exactly how all teachers should teach the subject of Columbus. Students are continuously fed historical information that is one sided and often not true, such as this example. Students need to be given the correct information regarding ...more
By eemmmily (4), Westhampton Beach on Feb 6, 15 11:07 AM
Can we just celebrate PC Day. We can all revive an Indian tradition of taking Coup. Lets beat anyone who says anything anti PC with a wooden club to teach them a lesson.

Cant we teach children the facts and leave the interpretations to their college classes where they have time to give events a detailed factual analysis including a modern political spin if need be?

History class shouldnt be a place to inculcate young minds with political speak and justice theory.
By Baymen87 (128), Lugoff, SC on Feb 6, 15 11:45 AM
Would you try to protect your home if it was being invaded?
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 15 4:40 PM
Yea, baymen, the truth keeps getting in the way of a good story. Our troubles with
Iran go back to the late forties. acting as a thug nation to protect our oil interests, we deposed their pick for leader who wanted to nationalize their oil. (Oxford educated as well) We inserted our corrupt shah. Maybe you can believe the Hollywood version of history.(Can't do that either, buncha left-wing liberals). Our history, even though filled with many foibles and ugliness, continues to evolve into the ...more
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Feb 6, 15 12:11 PM
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Columbus deserves the credit or blame only for what he actually did: which was to discover a route that permanently linked the shores of the Atlantic and to contribute -perhap more than any other individual – to the long process by which once sundered peoples of the world were brought together in a single network of communications, which exposed them to the perils and benefits of mutual contagion and exchange. Whether or not one regards this as meritorious achievement, there was a genuine ...more
By Bob Molly (10), southampton on Feb 6, 15 12:51 PM
I respect your well reasoned comment but your assertion that "he was generally well intentioned" is simply false. He was a motivated con man who was also a thief, racist and murderer.
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Feb 6, 15 4:44 PM
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Feel free to back up your statement with proof.
By Bob Molly (10), southampton on Feb 6, 15 5:36 PM
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Try reading Bartolomé de las Casas.

Firsthand account of torture, murder, slavery, and genocide.

All for the lust of gold. Remember, Spain had a war to pay for...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 11:02 PM
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LOL! And now Columbus was responsible for the actions of the nation of Spain? Get out of here with that nonsense. Stick with garbage.
By Bob Molly (10), southampton on Feb 8, 15 9:01 AM
Columbus sailed under the flag of the Spanish Crown. He was Italian, however. Haven't you ever read about the "Capitulations of Santa Fe", or where they were signed and under what conditions?

Spain had wars to pay for, and empire to expand, and the voyages of Cortez were even more profitable than those of Columbus.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 10:55 AM
and what are you? a saint? All men and women are a great mix of actions and emotions... sometimes I have good intentions and someone comes along to shoot it to smitherines. How do you know who is a con man and who is real?
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Feb 9, 15 3:12 PM
There is debate as to if Columbus was even Italian. Several scholars have him pegged as being of Spanish origin....his mother tongue was Catalan.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Feb 10, 15 10:34 PM
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Sad that a teacher can pimp out students to advance a personal agenda.
By kpjc (159), east quogue on Feb 6, 15 4:23 PM
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I am very curious what the students and teachers reactions would be if they removed the holiday from calendar and everybody had to show up to school. Union officials would surely be asking for something in return.
By GoldenBoy (339), EastEnd on Feb 6, 15 4:30 PM
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First they want to make the school day begin at 7:20 AM. Then they vote to triple our taxes to bring in another district's students. Now they want to get rid of Columbus Day. And we keep voting for the school board members? New idea: Lance Gumbs Day.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Feb 6, 15 9:51 PM
I think it should be called October's Day Off Day. Either that or tell the kids they have to go to school that day. That should change their minds real quick
By itsamazing (221), Southampton on Feb 6, 15 11:17 PM
In the cultural war between North Americas first settlers and European immigrants the former lost. Societies suffer Darwinian outcomes like species. A concept just as true today as it ever was.
By Duckbornandraised (181), Eastport on Feb 6, 15 11:25 PM
The first rule of war or subjugation:

Dehumanize your enemy.

Even the Church of Rome excelled at it. It was nice of them to finally decry slavery on a permanent basis. In 1965...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 8:46 AM
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Regardless, the Vatican Council took no official and absolute stance until 1965. Similar to the time it took to admit Galileo was right, they did no better on slavery "just" or "unjust".
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 10, 15 1:00 PM
As I recall, the First Council was asked repeatedly about it's position on slavery. Some lower ranking officials decried it, but there was never any papal bull regarding anything but humane treatment. Face it, they were bass ackwards for centuries from their own ego, hubris, ignorance or a combination thereof. However, there was admittedly plenty of papal bull to go around...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 10, 15 11:11 PM
to Mr. Z:

Your are quite wrong when you claim that the papacy didn't condemn slavery until 1965. Pope Paul III (1534 to 1549) explicitly did so in a papal bull that reads, in part:

"Therefore, We…noting that the Indians themselves indeed are true men…by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these present letters that the same Indians and all other peoples—even though they are outside the faith…should not be deprived of their liberty or their other ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 11, 15 12:15 AM
The issue wasn't that nobody listened. The part you list only pertained to native people of the New World. It didn't address the African slave trade, Muslims, or anybody who wasn't Christian or converted, nor did it attempt to.

Like I said, plenty of "papal BULL" to go around...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 11, 15 12:40 AM
to Mr. Z:

Quote (supra):

"We ... by our Apostolic Authority decree and declare by these present letters that the same Indians and ALL OTHER PEOPLES - EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE FAITH ... should not be deprived of their liberty or their other possessions…and are not to be reduced to slavery ..."
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In your zeal to find the Catholic Church culpable for slavery at its highest level, you have completely ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 11, 15 7:35 AM
OK, fair enough. I'll have to grant you that he wrote it, but also it is shown he recanted later.

Can't grant you any creedence in the Bible, however. Hard to find a reference condemning it in the "Good Book".
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 12, 15 12:28 AM
to Mr. Z:

Again, your are mistaken. Pope Paul III never "recanted". Furthermore, slavery was condemned by other popes as well. Gregory XVI's pronouncement, ("In Supremo", 1839) continued the antislavery teaching of his predecessors. The following text of his proclamation is instructive:

"'There were to be found subsequently among the faithful some who, shamefully blinded by the desire of sordid gain, in lonely and distant countries did not hesitate to reduce to slavery () Indians, ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 12, 15 3:33 PM
In everything I've read Pope Paul III simply did what would suit politically. He flip flopped on the issue to appease the powers that be whenever it suited. Admittedly I am no fan of organized religion, but as I've always said societal convention does not change in an instant.

By the time Gregory made any pronouncements, slavery was already prohibited in many states in the northern United States, including New York. Any pronouncements often came down to politics, unfortunately.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 12, 15 4:12 PM
to Mr. Z:

There is FACT, to wit, what the popes DID, and then there is INTERPRETATION , to wit, WHY they did it.

The fact is that numerous popes, from Eugene IV ("Sicut Dudum", 1435) to the aforementioned Gregory XVI condemned slavery. Your prejudicial preconception, unsupported in substance, is that they did so for self-serving reasons. Nevertheless, even assuming, arguendo, that your belief IS truth, they STILL condemned it, which refutes your assertion of their assent.

As ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 13, 15 2:49 AM
It is also a FACT that "Sublimus Dei" was revoked almost as quickly as it was written. It is also FACT that "Dum Diversas", "Romanus Pontifex" condoned the slavery of non-Christians.

As I stated, they took no absolute stance until 1965.

Flip, flop. Flip, flop...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 13, 15 8:21 AM
to Mr.Z:

Again, you are mistaken. Sublimus Dei was NEVER REVOKED. An accompany executing brief for it ("Pastorale officium") WAS annulled because the Spanish Crown objected that it trespassed on its "patronato"* rights. The bull remains in full force but its execution in the New World was left in the hands of the Spanish government, with predictable results.

The papal bulls that you cite as approving slavery (Dum Diversas [1452] and Romanus Pontifex [1455]) PRECEDE Sublimus ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 13, 15 9:27 AM
Its a good thing that this is happening. I would like to see the more mature aspects of history brought out and touched on. To me, it promotes the idea that History and Social Studies classes are places to learn actual true history and not the fairy tales that most public schools love to assign. When I was a child I felt constantly short-changed when it came to the history book. For example, most of my books barely mentioned the Philippine–American War, and when it did, it mostly just referenced ...more
By Inch_High_PI (29), Southampton on Feb 7, 15 7:33 AM
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Amazing that people believe everything that someone writes about a man that lived nearly 700 years ago. Who's next on the chopping block? George Washington? Do you know how many people died, because of him in the American Revolution? No figure in history is perfect, and history of 700 years prior is very hard to prove. We do know that Columbus discovered the passage to the America's from Europe, and that is an incredible find. Whatever teacher in Southampton can't understand that Columbus's voyage ...more
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 7, 15 9:21 AM
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There is no "politically correct nonsense".

We have valid first hand accounts of what went on, and most importantly the writings of a Dominican friar. Not only was this friar present for the atrocities of maiming, torture, murdering, and genocide, he spent over fifty years being an advocate for the native peoples of the West Indies to be considered full fledged human beings.

Try picking up a book sometime.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 8:41 AM
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to marlinspike:

Quote:

"So then, you say we have Latino Spaniard Columbus initially attempting genocide on the natives of the Americas ?"
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Columbus was neither. (Dear god!)

Moreover, Columbus didn't want to kill all the New World natives, only those that resisted his arrogation of their land. On the other hand, had there been a market in Europe for dead natives, he certainly would have. He just wanted to exploit ...more
By highhatsize (3959), East Quogue on Feb 8, 15 10:36 AM
Columbus was just the beginning.

Cortez committed genocide against the Aztecs, who were far more populous. Pizarro in Peru and the genocide of the Incans was no better. All to sate the lust for gold.

Men, women, children, it mattered not. All were exterminated with extreme prejudice. Then, later came North America...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 10:42 AM
That's where you're wrong. Washington Irving revised history. Henry Wadsworth Longfellow revised history.

Much of the "fact" learned in sanitized history classes over the previous hundred years or so were fiction. Columbus didn't sail because people thought the world was flat. At all.

It's complete and total bull****, and so is a lot of the other things that are taught as "history".
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 7:26 PM
How about let's let kids be kids, and teach them in a manner that develops pride in our country. When they are older, they do learn about more of the macabre aspects of our history. It seems these children are being led toward a certain teachers opinion.
By lamm (304), Southampton on Feb 7, 15 8:01 PM
"I did not know then that pride is a wonderful, terrible thing, a seed that bears two vines, life and death."

~ Brother, "The Scarlet Ibis" by James Hurst
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 11:10 PM
Is this by any chance as a result of a Common Core curriculum being taught in Hampton Bays?
By Frank Wheeler (1810), Northampton on Feb 7, 15 8:20 PM
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Explorer, sure.

Murdering, torturous, genocidal slaver?

Yep, he was that too.

The problem is that the truth hasn't been taught in American History classes. Welcome to your rude awakening...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 8:52 PM
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Oh thank goodness for the enlightened ones of 27 east.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 15 9:16 PM
Some of us are fairly well educated.

Who warned the colonists? Israel Bissel

Listen, my children, to my epistle
Of the long, long ride of Israel Bissell,
Who outrode Paul by miles and time
But didn't rate a poet's rhyme.

~ Clay Perry
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 10:55 PM
The natives never killed or enslaved each other before Columbus arrived? If you study history thoroughly enough you might find that almost no member of the human race has clean hands.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 15 10:56 PM
Regardless, the basic issue is teaching the truth, not fairy tales.


"If the Spaniards will go to Heaven, then I certainly do not wish to go there! So, do not baptize me, I'd rather go to Hell!"

~ Hatuey, Taíno Cacique
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 11:08 PM
"Some of us are fairly well educated."

Oh, no doubt. My sarcasm was based on the implied stupidity of the rest of us.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 15 11:18 PM
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"The fellow that can only see a week ahead is always the popular fellow, for he is looking with the crowd. But the one that can see years ahead, he has a telescope but he can't make anybody believe that he has it."

~ Will Rogers
Feb 8, 15 11:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
I'll wager you don't care for the meme? Maybe the GOP should stop all the idiotic stuff like no hand washing, being anti-vaxxers, that practicing Yoga leads to demonic possession, God manages the climate, killing abortion doctors should be legal, or one of my personal favorites: "The Holocaust never happened"
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 7, 15 11:55 PM
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"The fellow that can only see a week ahead is always the popular fellow, for he is looking with the crowd. But the one that can see years ahead, he has a telescope but he can't make anybody believe that he has it."

~ Will Rogers
Feb 8, 15 11:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
I'll wager you don't care for the meme? Maybe the GOP should stop all the idiotic stuff like no hand washing, being anti-vaxxers, that practicing Yoga leads to demonic possession, God manages the climate, killing abortion ...more
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 15 4:51 PM
It seemed like you didn't approve of the joke about the "foursome" of Republicans.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 7:22 PM
I like a good joke as much as the next but, uh, maybe I missed it? Not trying to be a PITA.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 15 8:16 PM
Just because you can clip, and paste anything you agree with from the internet doesn't make it true or you intelligent. ................. Chief 2015 lol
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 8, 15 8:54 AM
Considering the practice is called "copy and paste", thanks for the show. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most of us here grew up with Britannica, National Geographic, Scientific American, and Discover, not Wikipedia. Things we quote are frequently because we remember actually reading them on paper. Some of us also had good teachers who didn't sell you fluff when it came to American History. Also, you may not borrow my copy of the "Analects of Confucius" anytime. Buy your own.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 8, 15 9:52 AM
Blame America for all that's wrong in the world, Liberal Bravo Sierra! If the little darlings don't want to celebrate Columbus Day fine, just got to school and ignore it, no need for a day off!
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Feb 8, 15 12:38 PM
Ahhh yes, the hypocritical sons and daughters of European immigrants have a new crusade to add to the growing number of things to feign outrage over. Columbus was a jerk. We should all leave. I mean all of us. That would make it right. Then native Americans can celebrate that day in 2015 when we all finally went back to where we belong. Liberalism: Inventing new ways to create new problems out of old issues. Have the no life to attendeth?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 8, 15 5:12 PM
In other news - I'm starting a campaign to stop Groundhog Day in an effort to show solidarity with grubs, berries, and well manicured lawns.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 8, 15 5:18 PM
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Some of us are fairly well educated.

Who warned the colonists? Israel Bissel

Listen, my children, to my epistle
Of the long, long ride of Israel Bissell,
Who outrode Paul by miles and time
But didn't rate a poet's rhyme.

~ Clay Perry


So Paul Revere pulled a Brian Williams? Or did Brian Williams pull a Paul Revere?;)
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 15 5:30 PM
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The point of it all is that hypocrites want to change names in effort to make amends for things that happened hundreds of years before they were born. The only thing that Columbus Day means to most of us is an opportunity to get a decent deal on a car. You want to 86 Columbus Day? Go ahead. After you do so remove the toilet that's perched over what was likely a Native American families dwelling 200 years ago. Such outrage!!! How wonderful we are to express the outrage!!! Give my house to Native ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 8, 15 5:43 PM
Actually, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow was responsible for that myth.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 11, 15 1:21 AM
Poor kids these days all have digital dementia anyway. They'd believe that Pokemon discovered the new world if you told them. And then they'd forget it all two minutes and forty text messages later.

We're doomed.
By Harbor Master (105), Sag Harbor on Feb 8, 15 9:31 PM
Wait a minute Harbor Master do you have definitive proof that Pokemon had nothing to do with the discovery of America? Lol
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 9, 15 8:43 AM
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Who is teaching the kids that Christopher Columbus was a mass murderer? And who was there to tell that? Brian Williams? At this time and age people believe what they want to believe because history is flawed because unless is coming from a reliable source there is 3 sides of every story !
By YXZ (32), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 15 2:50 PM
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you're so right. I've found mistakes in recent "histories" of Southampton. Some people do real research and others are not so diligent in vetting their information. The saying goes that only the victors write the histories.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Feb 9, 15 3:31 PM
Washington Irving didn't write history, he wrote fiction.

Bartolome de las Casas and Francisco de Bobadilla did write history.
Feb 9, 15 3:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, FYI Columbus and his brothers spent over a month in prison, and were stripped of their wealth and status for their crimes against the indigenous people of Hispaniola. Though they were released by Ferdinand and their social status restored, Columbus was barred from governorship or any other political office for life by the Spanish Crown. This is indisputable historical fact. Apparently the brothers made a solid plea bargain.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 9, 15 3:59 PM
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Amazing how the liberals ignore the FACT that Columbus was also an incredible navigator and explorer and focus instead on his faults. Does Southampton School District even teach this? Probably not when they can bash someone as racist and satisfy their irrational need to be PC at all costs.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Feb 9, 15 9:29 PM
One of his incontrovertible characteristics was the inability to admit when he was wrong. One would think that such a "great explorer" would know where he's been...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 9, 15 11:27 PM
And some of our most beloved civil rights leaders and presidents were serial adulterers. So again, no more Columbus Day would logically mean no more MLK day and no more President's Day, right? I mean surely we of such high moral standards would want to apply those standards to all, right? Puhleeeease.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 7:05 AM
Ah, so changing the name fixes that? Tell ya what, Philly... go buy a homeless person a sandwich if you want to do your part in making the world a better place. At least that will have a real an immediate result. Changing the names of things doesn't do a darn thing other than offer some people the opportunity to throw a high five for some moral victory, that in the end proves useless.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 9:38 AM
And to add, I'm not dismissing anything other than your useless crusade. Columbus Day, Rocket Day, No Name Day, Happy Days, in the end the result remains and we once again apply selective outrage.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 9:40 AM
Eliminated or not, one should at least know what you're "celebrating".

The truth is not a social disease or malady to be cured, but fiction being taught as factual history is.
Feb 10, 15 1:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
Headline: Bald Eagles Prove Full of Flame Retardants
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 10, 15 1:02 PM
Sure, but be consistent.
President's Day: Today we celebrate all of our presidents, including the one who dropped 2 nuclear bombs on Japan, the one who got us involved in Vietnam, the son of a bootlegger who was a prolific adulterer, the one who liked to uh... show his privates, the one who had a curious affair with an intern, the first one who was a really great military commander even though he lost most of his battles... etc.
But yeah, Columbus Day, worst thing ever.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 4:22 PM
Classic Phil cherry pick.
So words matter then, right? Cool. Stay consistent then. Your master and commander can't bring himself to say, "Islamic Terrorists." He's the flag bearer for everything you believe, so why not hold him to the same standard that you demand of everyone else? It's Islamic Terrorists. The entire world seems to know it except for the lanky Liberal. Stay consistent. Even better, focus your energies on something that will actually yield real and positive results.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 4:48 PM
Run away, Philly. Run away.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 5:43 PM
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While we're at it we can throw in Teapot Dome, and losing the White House china in a poker game. Or, a president who was so racist he hastened the outbreak of the Civil War with his conduct. Franklin Pierce is tops on my list as the worst President in American History.

It's been an interesting ride...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 10, 15 8:15 PM
Oh Philly, I didn't admit to anything. Nor did I cherry pick. Nor do I give a rats behind about meaningless crusades. Nor do I enjoy debating with someone who can't stay on point and asks you to defend something that wasn't said. So go carry on with this utterly useless crusade and let me know what changes if you are successful.
Btw, I will donate a hundred dollars to any charity you desire if you can point out where I lied. If (when) you fail, you can send twenty to Make a Wish. Ready.... ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 9:26 PM
Hahaaaaa! Only you would look for that. That wasn't the point or purpose, Genius.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 10:50 PM
Admit it was a lie??? Nope. Not at all.
Would you like me to make my argument a little more fair? Ok.
George W invading Iraq was stupid + reckless. Nixon was a twisted weirdo. Harding a poor administrator surrounded by crooks.
Feel better? Good.
The point remains unchanged, and you clearly didn't get it because you need to focus on frivolous nonsense.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 10:23 AM
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By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 10, 15 8:32 AM
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The Communist Manifesto is a long read, Phil. Some of us don't have the time.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 4:49 PM
I'll just let that sit there...
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 5:41 PM
I agree. You are a communist. You win.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 9:27 PM
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X- try again. Though I admit it has been some time, I did indeed study Marx and Lenin in school. Back in the day when I had more time I was quite the history buff. I do however reject communism, fascism and liberalism and politically correct nonsense. I've read enough of your posts to hypothesize that you have an innate hatred of America, and would rather a model the is closer to communism. As a result, my wish is for you and those who think like you to leave and start your little paradise elsewhere. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 11:00 PM
As far as I can see, America is still due a "Square Deal".
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 11, 15 12:45 AM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 8:29 AM
How's the crusade going? Did you cure hundreds of years of pain by changing the name of Columbus Day to That Dude Was Mean Day?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 8:32 AM
The goal of socialism is communism. ~ Vladimir Lenin

And I would say the goal of progressivism is socialism, so to Phil's delight obummer is getting closer to fundamentally changing the greatest nation the world has ever known day by day!
By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Feb 11, 15 7:03 PM
Dems get their butts kicked in midterms, Obama double downs. Arrogant. Tone deaf. Ideologue. Out if touch. Megalomaniac.
And two more long years to go.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 9:32 PM
Chief 1, should the "liberal teachers who can't teach" scrap teaching about evolution too and stick with the Adam and Eve story?
By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 15 8:56 AM
How about they stick to teaching common core, and other things that could lead to a successful adult life?
I wasn't around in 1492 I can't tell you if the new history is truth, and neither can any of you cut, and paste wizards.
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 10, 15 11:10 AM
Common core aka federal run Ed is an absolute disaster. The community needs to be made more aware of what's being taught in this district, being snuck into CC curriculum through ELA. The dark and depressing stories our elementary aged children need to endure featuring Islam, never stories on Christians or Jews. 4th graders had to devote the first 1/3 of the school year to poetry. A 3rd of the year! These poor kids are bored out of their minds. This district is sucking the love of learning ...more
By April1 (152), Southampton on Feb 10, 15 12:22 PM
I tell my kids to learn the math they teach them in school, and I'll teach them the math that will keep them employed.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 10, 15 4:25 PM
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I've seen common core math. I don't know whose wet dream it is, but it reminds me of Windows 8. You have to take the long way around to do anything useful.

They used to hang people for less...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 10, 15 11:18 PM
Some of the ELA is ridiculous. There's a very big difference between challenging kids and frustrating them to tears because the concepts are over their heads. I wish I could post some of the notes that I have attached to my kids homework.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 8:23 AM
Windows 8 is useless except for processor speed it dose not do anything XP could not do (and most of the time in a way that made more sense) if you had half a brain in your head, As a matter of fact it took away useful features and short cuts that made computing a more pleasurable experience.
By joe hampton (3323), southampton on Feb 11, 15 6:53 PM
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If you want a desktop shortcut for a program in windows 8, you need to go into the Program Files/Program Files x86 folder, find the app/exe file, and use SendTo to create a desktop shortcut.

As far as processor speeds, they are not OS dependent unless the OS doesn't have drivers for them. However, RAM usage is OS dependent. XP was ordinarily not 64 bit (save for the x64 Pro version), so more than 3 or 3.5 GB of RAM cannot be used due to addressing limitations inherent to 32bit operating ...more
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 12, 15 12:19 AM
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By joe hampton (3323), southampton on Feb 12, 15 12:41 AM
What I want is filmstrip view back as part of the OS ( Not preview pane) Filmstrip View and yes I know about Adobe Bridge... not the same
By joe hampton (3323), southampton on Feb 12, 15 12:41 AM
You can bring it back in 7. Haven't tried sprocket view with W8.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 12, 15 1:05 AM
what is sprocket view and how dose it work
By joe hampton (3323), southampton on Feb 13, 15 10:57 AM
It adds a registry key and the coding for the icon. There are some instructions and a download on a Seven Forums thread if you Google:

Thumbnail Previews - Change Border

Not sure if it will work with W8 however. Manually editing a registry can have catastrophic results if done improperly, so stick with the .reg files which are downloadable.
Feb 13, 15 5:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
* not sure about W8.1
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Feb 13, 15 5:05 PM
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By Infoseeker (271), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 15 9:01 AM
But the children are being taught to be good little LIBERALS , so it's all going to be fine, Dear Leader told us so. 2nd graders can't tell time? How hard is it to tell them about the big hand and the little hand?!
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Feb 10, 15 1:15 PM
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They'll be taught the big hands represent mere minutes, but the little hands get to occupy hours. If you need to know what time it is, look at your phone.
By loading... (553), quiogue on Feb 11, 15 12:24 AM
...or, the big hour hand didn't build 4 o'clock all by itself, all the little seconds and minutes did...
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Feb 11, 15 1:26 PM
Please Mr Z explain to us in your infinite wisdom why we shouldn't use common core. We are now about 24th in math, and science in the world. The local school boards made up of housewives, and self proclaimed pillars of the community have no idea how to educate. We have incestuous hired faculty whose biggest attribute is they knew someone in the district. We wonder why our children can't keep pace with the world. We need to do the right things for students not teachers, and faculty.
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By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 11, 15 7:51 AM
Chief, do you have a child in school? If not, you may want to stay away from this argument as you'll likely get roasted by parents and most educators.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 8:33 AM
I have children in the public school system and common core is a joke. I haven't spoken to anyone who fully embraced it.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Feb 11, 15 9:57 AM
Actually the only thing that is a joke is the status quo. The brainwashing of parents that their children can't learn common core is criminal. I guess what they are saying is American Children, are not smart enough to compete with the rest of the world. I don't believe that for a minute, and either should anyone else. When you waste your time teaching kids a debatable issue like Columbus you are losing valuable learning time. The only one's gaining from the NY education system is teachers, faculty. ...more
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 11, 15 12:05 PM
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You sure do hate teachers and display a high level of jealousy as well. Anyway, common core is terrible and isn't the answer to our education problems. (A) It starts in the home. Parents need to sit and work with their kids. (B) Curriculum's need to be adjustable and fluid to suite the needs and aptitudes of varied students. Strengths should be noticed and fostered. Weaknesses addressed and strengthened. (C) Teachers should indeed be held accountable and results evaluated periodically. (D) Hold ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 1:49 PM
Every profession on the planet requires standardized testing. Better to teach your kids now that they will have to ''play the game'' to get ahead sometimes. Common Core isn't as bad as they say it is and it isn't as good as they say it is. If you want your kids to know how to tell time, buy them a clock.
By Bob Molly (10), southampton on Feb 11, 15 1:05 PM
If someone's child can't tell time, tie their shoe, or wipe their nose by the second grade you might have to blame yourself for your lack of time spent with your child.
By chief1 (2658), southampton on Feb 12, 15 1:37 PM
This administration uses Common Core to come up with the unemployment figures.
By loading... (553), quiogue on Feb 11, 15 4:05 PM
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We should all celebrate cheese burger in Paradise day...
By joe hampton (3323), southampton on Feb 11, 15 7:16 PM
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You insensitive racist. And everyone knows paradise is filled with pizza and microbrews.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 11, 15 9:27 PM
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Enough already. We do honor the Native Americans on another day. This federal holiday is for Columbus. Regardless of what revisionists would like to do, he WAS THE discoverer who saw what he saw and returned to tell it, show it and then OPEN a new world. In so far as some "mock" trial, might it not be better for today's students to hold such a trial in terms of our current world situation? Or, would that get touchy with some for ethnic and/or religious reasons! How can we tolerate today in ...more
By jsosia (2), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 4:16 PM
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When the children are old enough to vote we can re-visit this. Stop pressuring the children of the world today to become adults to soon. Let them enjoy childhood and be children.
By guest (65), Bridgehampton on Feb 13, 15 3:50 PM
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