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Jan 14, 2010 1:04 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Lt. William Hughes named Republican nominee for vacant Southampton Town Board seat

Jan 14, 2010 1:04 PM

William Hughes of Hampton Bays, a Southampton Town Police lieutenant, was selected as the Southampton Town Republican Committee’s candidate for the special election to fill the Town Board seat vacated by Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst.

Lt. Hughes, who won in a landslide against two other hopefuls for the nomination, said he is anticipating that he will also secure an endorsement from the Southampton Town Independence Party.

After winning the Republican nomination at the GOP convention held Wednesday night at Villa Tuscano in Hampton Bays, Lt. Hughes expressed confidence he would win the special election as well: “The opponent is a lady from Manhattan,” he said, referring to the Democratic nominee, Bridget Fleming, “and my roots are deep and strong and go all the way to Noyac.”

Lt. Hughes would have to retire from the police department, where he oversees all uniformed officers, if elected to the Town Board during the special election on March 9.

He secured 2,248 votes from committee members. Rebecca Molinaro of Remsenburg secured 1,117 votes and Dr. Tod Granger of Sag Harbor garnered 721 votes. Scott Horowitz of East Quogue bowed out of the race due to a family issue.

Each member of the Republican committee casts a vote in the selection process. Their votes are weighted based on the results of a prior gubernatorial election and their electoral district’s population, leading to the inflated number of votes cast for each candidate.

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A soon to be retired Southampton Town Police Officer to vote on salary increases for the boys ? Here's where we stand now:

Agency Last, First Pay Basis Rate YTDPay
Southampton Overton, James $166,366
Southampton Tenaglia, Anthony $162,129
Southampton Hughes Jr, William $153,912
Southampton Iberger, Robert $153,523
Southampton Molloy, Bruce $151,241
Southampton Hintze, Randolph $147,054
Southampton Pearce, Robert $146,456
Southampton Scott, ...more
Jan 14, 10 2:15 PM appended by Publius
Source: http://www.seethroughny.net/
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 14, 10 2:15 PM
Yes, there's that, Pubes, but let's not overlook the rank of the candidate.

Unlike the situation in your Village, LIEUTENANT Hughes would have retired -- of his own volition, rather than having been forced out -- from a Command rank.

Just as there are few (DagDavid, Turkey Bridge and Foodie come to mind) Liberals left once a certain age has been achieved, ranking officers commonly stand opposed to hand-outs to the PBA.

Still, Lieutenant Hughes will have to address this ...more
Jan 14, 10 2:30 PM appended by Frank Wheeler
Whoops! Just noticed that there's another "Hughes" on your list -- if that's a blood-relation or an in-law, that might alter my opinion.
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 2:30 PM
Mr. Wheeler, what do I have to do with this? I made no comment whatsoever yet you choose to deride myself and others for being "liberals" when we have not even posted on this story?

I suggest you focus on the story and your own position. If I comment, by all means respond if you choose, but to bring me into this is simply to satisfy your own need to attack those you label liberal is completely ridiculous and shows an extreme lack of character.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jan 14, 10 2:43 PM
Aw, c'mon, Mr. D'Agostino. I bear you no animus, and cited you solely because you are a (well) known quality on this Website, and your positions have been consistent (as opposed to some others who flop on a routine basis).

I'm (genuinely) sorry that you took it so badly and that the Liberal claque felt compelled to man and woman (but not fcmcmann) their keyboards in support of your rebuke.
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 3:38 PM
No "fear" Mr. Wheeler, those salaries have been reported on the See Through NY website. I have only related them.

No "fear" it is a fact that this candidate has worked closely with the rank and file police officers. It is more of a stretch to believe that because he is older now, he wants to save money for the taxpayers.

No "fear" just don't elect someone who all they have to say when nominated is I have strong deep roots. What ability does he have compared to Ms. Fleming?

Qualifications ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 14, 10 4:11 PM
Mr. Wheeler, your insincere and sarcastic apology (and continued rebuke of the "liberal claque" of which I do not consider myself a formal member) is a further insult to those, like myself, who come here to address issues of personal interest to which I feel I can productively contribute.

You had absolutely no reason to bring me into this discussion and in doing so you have, as I stated before, shown a clear lack of judgment and decorum. Furthermore, you have now chosen to address by ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jan 14, 10 4:22 PM
You are speculating about an unknown quantity -- unless you have special information about Lieutenant Hughes.

I can understand how you might be enamored of Ms. Fleming, but I'm not certain why you are so harsh on the GOP candidate straight out of the gate.

I wasn't especially happy with Ms. Fleming's candidacy last Fall, but this is a new race, and it's head-to-head. I'd like to make my decision based on that -- hopefully it will come down to the superior candidate rather than ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 4:37 PM
A] What you characterize as "insincere" was exactly as I asserted, 'genuine."

B] You revealed your actual identity directly to me and to everyone else on this site last Spring.

You're in a frame of mind to be truculent this afternoon. Fine.

Suck it up, dagdavid, and if you're going to be so thin-skinned, better stay off the Internet.
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 4:45 PM
Ms. Fleming graduated from the highly regarded Virginia law school. It is at least on par with Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Syracuse, and Georgetown. By "highly regarded" I mean the admissions process is very selective and only very talented people are admitted.

Then she worked in a highly regarded District Attorney's Office, an office where many talented people work, as compared to other DA's Offices where patronage considerations eclipse the requirement of talent by a large margin.

There ...more
Jan 14, 10 4:48 PM appended by Publius
From the U. Va law school website: "In the 2008-09 application year, we received 7,880 applications (7,102 nonresident and 778 Virginia resident) and our overall acceptance rate was 14.8 percent."
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 14, 10 4:48 PM
Was everyone present here today present on that individual post in the spring? You bring me into a conversation of which I had no involvement and then have the nerve to tell me to "suck it up" and call me "truculent" and "thin skinned"? Any time you'd like to have a personal debate over a specific issue I would be more than happy to accept the challenge, in the meantime, perhaps you'd like to reveal your own identity instead of hiding behind an alias.

I will say it again, You had absolutely ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jan 14, 10 5:03 PM
DD: "I have nothing further to say on this matter

Imagine my and everyone else's relief!
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 5:12 PM
Too bad we can't get you to shut up, Frank.

By the way, now that you're outing posters, how about providing your real name like dagdavid suggested? For the record, I do not know dagdavid or his "claque" but I have no problem being lumped in with them!

Forgot to mention, Frankie, yours is by far the "stupiest" posting of the year! HAH!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 5:44 PM
We're waiting for an answer, Frank. Tell us who you are.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 10:13 AM
I assumed his name WAS frank wheeler. was I mistaken?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 16, 10 3:53 AM
It is not his name. Funny how he is willing to address another poster by their real name, but does not have the courage to give is own, especially considering his propensity for attacking everyone else.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jan 16, 10 4:17 PM
So, he would be moving from a career with the SH police to SH town council?

By-the-way publius, I was so much happier when I did not know the ammounts of the police saleries.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 2:39 PM
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From what I understand he is a hard core PBA member and a founding member of the new high ranking union which are asking for ridiculous raises even in the state of this economy. Know he will get a pension with our money he will get salary and benefits as a board member. This is just another way for the cops to get to the inside and have a grip on our wallets. The PBA must be kidding me if they think the public will vote this man into office. I'm sure we will see him come out and say he will fight ...more
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 2:42 PM
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Is he a "hardcore PBA member" or a member of the "high ranking union"? He obviously can't be both, so is it possible you have your facts wrong?
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 15, 10 2:00 PM
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let's see... retire from a job making $153K to one that pays $60? i assume the Lt is truly dedicated and sincere...but, boy...that's quite a pay cut to choose, especially in this economy....
By Tim Tanuka (38), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 4:06 PM
Actually Tim, he would get approximately $108K after retiring and only be state taxed, then double dip and get a $60k salary from the town for his new position. So if we do the math he just got a huge pay raise or otherwise known as a "perk"
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 4:33 PM
thanks for that explanation, rocky...it all becomes clearer now...but then i wonder what happens should he retire and lose? could he go back to the force?
By Tim Tanuka (38), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 4:55 PM
Does he retire before the results are in ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 14, 10 5:22 PM
I believe that he would not be required to take his retirement until he is sworn in.
By Frank Wheeler (1741), Northampton on Jan 14, 10 5:42 PM
If this wasn't such an important seat to fill his being chosen would be laughable."roots,deep and strong going all the way back to Noyac", tells absolutely nothing. Is he a tree???? Or did he pass through Noyac his way to Montauk. What a disgrace for the Republican party. They could have done much better than this.
By bayview (148), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 4:09 PM
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So now the Republicans want to kiss and make up with the Town Police by running one of their own??? How much will that cost the taxpayer? If this "cop" told the whole truth, he'd have said that Bridget Fleming is one of the top DA's in the city who could clean up the shenanigans in Town Hall. But who would want that??? Certainly not the taxpayers! We love getting suprises about hidden expenses into the tens of millions.
By Dodger (143), Southampton Village on Jan 14, 10 4:12 PM
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RESPECT----I don't believe anyone would truly like to be a police officer without getting paid for the work that is required of them. So ---unless you walk just a mile in their shoes---you have no comment to make about what the salaries are. Grow up and fight for the freedom we have here because of such men and women that patrol and help us each and every day in our communities!!!
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 14, 10 4:32 PM
This Lt would get approximately $108K after retiring and only be state taxed, then double dip and get a $60k salary from the town for his new position. So if we do the math he just got a huge pay raise or otherwise known as a "perk"
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 4:33 PM
Hey US CItizen, what does being a police officer have to do with the running this town. The guy reped the benefits and his hand is still out for more while me and my family are struggling to pay our bills!
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 4:35 PM
I always get a laugh when anyone claims to be a native or a local. YOU are NOT a native unless you have some Indian blood and YOU are NOT a Local unless your family ties go back for nine or ten generations. That's what my Grandmother from the Halsey/Sayre line told me back in the day. I say it's too bad somone from the true Local lines doesn't take more of an interest in their hometown and their heiritage. Of course I know there's more to the subject.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 14, 10 4:39 PM
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isn't that the truth if only the people who CLAIM to be locals realized that. this of course coming from someone with ties going back 10 generations right here in southampton.
By local414 (10), southampton on Jan 14, 10 9:29 PM
Natives-Locals=Indian Blood from Shinnecock, they are the ONLY ones that can carry this title.

More than you roots is having your heart in the right place, so you can do the right thing for your people.
GREEDY..GREEDY...GREEDY...AND POWER HUNGRY
Agency Last, First Pay Basis Rate YTD Pay
Southampton Overton, James $166,366
Southampton Tenaglia, Anthony $162,129
Southampton Hughes Jr, William $153,912
Southampton Iberger, Robert $153,523
Southampton Molloy, Bruce ...more
By Bel (86), southampton on Jan 14, 10 4:46 PM
To publius:

Thanks for the data and the link.
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What a choice. An STPD cop and a party colleague of the Patroness of the STPD.

Here are the two questions that I would like to see answered:

1) Do you think that the mobbing of the Town Council meeting by uniformed off-duty police officers was appropriate?

2) Do you approve of the policy of allowing any STPD ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Jan 14, 10 4:51 PM
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Highat, wht don't you gorw some and ask each candidate directly?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 17, 10 5:04 PM
Based on the article, the best candidate for this position had to step aside before the vote. I wish him the best in getting his situation under control and hope that he is willing to put his name in the hat in 2011.
By bobalooey (45), East Quogue on Jan 14, 10 5:00 PM
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Police and Politics. They do seem to converge every so often. I suspect that Mr. Hughes would, if elected, be tough on collective bargaining since it would no longer have effect on his income. On the other hand, I would also suspect that Mr. Hughes would want to spend, spend, spend on policing in other ways. I can envision him increasing the police budget for anything and everything but salaries and benefits. Another conspicuous point is that outstanding cops don't necessarily make good managers. ...more
By WingMan (8), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 5:33 PM
For all of you already revving up your partisan attack machines, do you know the man? Do you have nay idea of his history here in Southampton or otherwise? Do you have any clue about his community involvement? Any idea of where he stands on the issues or just baseless assumptions? Any clue as to why the PBA may hnot be happy he got the Republican nomination? And HighHat Size, if you have questions go ask the man, he's not a stranger in our community hiding behind a nick name. If you want answers ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 5:41 PM
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I'm very dissapointed in all of you. I assumed most of the author's from Southampton, WHB and the wealthier parts of town had some education and would research before spewing the usual propaganda like our friend smallhatsize. One phone call would've made you aware that the upper management of the Southampton PD is NOT part of the PBA.

Getting past the liberal anti-authority/PBA propaganda, Mr Hughes is an outstanding candidate to represent the interests of EVERYONE in the township(even ...more
By politcal pawn (113), Flanders on Jan 14, 10 5:49 PM
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He is 67 years old. Time to retire from the Police force!! At least he has ONE vote political pawn!!
By bayview (148), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 5:52 PM
Mandatory retirement for police officers is 65 YOA in New York. So obviously your facts are wrong, he could not be 67. That is an aside obviously, I understand that most people who post on this site could care less about the facts, so I guess this is for the benefit of anyone who does.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:16 PM
Since when is being 67 (if that is even accurate) make you too old? As a tri-athlete I bet he could run circles around some of the windbags around here. Again do you know the man or have any first hand idea of his motivations? Or is this just sport? As for those pre-judging him because he would have earned a pension from his time on the PD, are you saying that all public servants should be disqualified from public office when the retire on that basis? What would be the difference if he earned a ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 6:14 PM
When does it make a difference? When residents of this town cant find work and are having trouble making their mortgage payments! How about Mayor Bloomberg, only takes a $1. Me and my family are struggling, so yeah it makes a difference as he makes well over $100K a year in a pension.
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 7:18 PM
Not to sound unsympathetic, but what does your family struggling have to do with anyone but you and your family? By the way Mike Bloomberg is a billinionare, to my knowledge William Hughes is not.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 15, 10 1:52 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 16, 10 4:27 AM
Is it normal to put the rank of a police officer in the headline for an article not related to his or her police duties?

Maybe for an active duty military officer, but ???
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 7:19 PM
Hey Rocky - So how much he earned, and that is the key word here, earned in a pension disqualifies him to be an elected offical, despite what capabilities he may or may not have? Despite what his stand on the issues may or not be? Don't vote for the guy if you disagree with him on the issues, work you tail off for his opponent if thats the case, but at least have a real reason.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 7:24 PM
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Okay, I will take your advice and base it upon the facts so far. You stated he is a tri-athlete and we know he will make over $100K a year. Looks great so far.
By rocky (79), shampton on Jan 14, 10 7:32 PM
The world will be a better place if you base it on the facts you learn rather than the ones you hear or worse yet read here, where turth seems to be a distant relative to most of what is posted. And yeah, I think that cuts both ways.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 7:43 PM
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Some of you folks may want to take a deep breath and talk to Bill Hughes. He is a well respected member of the Hampton Bays community. If he had just retired and collected his pension, that would be of no concern to you. But instead he has opted to once again serve the public, as he has since he was a 19 year old kid in the jungles of Vietnam. He will not speak often or openly of that service, but it was indeed beyond that of the average grunt.
You may also want to look to the north of us ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 8:54 PM
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There is something that does not sit well with the notion that a person who has been a Town employee would now be in charge of funding the very people he became friends with over the years. Human nature being what it is.

Enjoy your retirement, but even if you are a terrific guy I'm not sure continued service on the Town Board is the right thing for the Town. Thanks
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 14, 10 9:30 PM
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How do you know Mr Hughes became friends with them? Maybe the opposite is true?
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 15, 10 2:03 PM
Using your line of reasoning, Publius, let's not let lawyers become judges-- because they preside over lawyers with whom they are familiar. Let's not let law enforcement veterans become police commissioners, or life long firefighters become department heads. In fact, let's ban any company promoting a valuable member of its staff to a supervisory role-- force them to hire outside the company.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 16, 10 4:39 AM
As a disenchanted Democrat, I say give a real working man a chance to state his views.

And, it appears, we will get the opportunity
By fazool (22), Southampton on Jan 14, 10 9:42 PM
So Publius are you saying that the working guy/gal can never become the boss because he or she would always be compromised by any friendships made along the career path? If that is the standard that applies no one in either the public or private sector should ever be promoted from "the ranks" and the only way to move up in your career would mean having to switch employers.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 10 10:33 PM
You are right, my remark could use some more clarification.

I think as a country and as a town we have learned the destructive nature of political parties which more often elevate the interests of the party above the interests of the nation, or in this instance town.

Candidate Hughes has been a rank and file member of another powerful interest group, similar to a political party. This group on a town level has the capacity to be more powerful than any of the political parties. ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 15, 10 8:39 AM
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The only comment the paper printed from the Lt. was dismissive of Ms. Fleming in an immature and authoritarian way. I do not know this candidate, but hopefully he has something of more substance to put forth than he is more local.
By Bandguy (23), Sag Harbor on Jan 14, 10 10:43 PM
Yeah, you'd think the paper might have an agenda. Because we know the quote would not have been taken out of context or edited in any way.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 8:42 AM
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First order of business: put in a Dunkin Donuts where Starbucks and Chock Full used to be... Our officers desperately need those donuts and cinnamon buns to cope with the skyrocketing crime wave around here... Why, just the other day I saw someone jaywalking in the Village!
By littleplains (305), olde england on Jan 14, 10 11:14 PM
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This post is for the Town election not the Village, so someone jaywalking in the Village is of no consequence. But thanks for the hyperbole.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 15, 10 1:48 PM
Flemming will win. The GOP executive committee just handed her the election on a silver platter.

Once again it wielded its extra proxy votes and picked the wrong person to back. Granger would have been a real contender. He has experience on a municipal board and would have made history as the first Black member of the Southampton Town Board. Molinari would have brought the Independent Party endorsement and Fred Theiles support - but, noooo, they are still too mad at Fred for switching parties. ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Jan 15, 10 1:00 AM
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Do you forget Roberta Hunter?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 8:44 AM
? Native American ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 15, 10 9:19 AM
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By Uniblab (24), Water Mill on Jan 20, 10 2:24 PM
I have a question that I don't know the answer to (not as a dig on anyone), and I was thinking possibly someone here knows the answer. I am friends with a retired suffolk cop, who is not allowed to make more than a certain amount from the suffolk county government because of his pension. I don't remember the exact amount but I think it was somewhere around 19,000 annually. This would hold true if he held any government job while earning his pension from suffolk. Is this policy also practiced ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 15, 10 3:49 AM
Your information is incorrect.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 8:45 AM
Terry -- If you know the information to be incorrect, could you tell us what is correct in that regard, so that we may all continue to learn as we cull through.
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Jan 15, 10 10:09 AM
I believe its called a "Section 211 Waiver" (or something like that)- you can retire with a pension and work for a government entity up to a certain amount of money (it used to be $19,000 but I think it was increased to something like $30,000, not sure). Beyond that amount you need a waiver; retired cops often to get this to continue work as investigators for the various District Attorney offices around the state. The NYC DA's use this to fill their investigator slots.
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Jan 15, 10 12:03 PM
goldenrod has it right-Fleming was just handed the election. I can't imagine anyone wanting to see a town police officer on the board, nor can I see anyone wanting a 4th republican on the board.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jan 15, 10 5:18 AM
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The good ole' boy network is alive and well in Southampton Town, the Republican Party has achieved two of its goals, give away the election to the Dems. and carry out their vendetta against Mr. Thiele by snubbing Ms. Molinaro. She has more knowledge and experience of the workings of the Town,County and State Governments then all three of the other candidates combined. This life long Republican has just changed her vote.
By westendoftown (18), Speonk on Jan 15, 10 7:38 AM
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The decisions by the Republcan party in Southampton Town is further reason to become Independent. As a registered republican Fleming has my vote.
"CODE BLUE" IS NOT A FICTITOUS TERM.
By kpjc (158), east quogue on Jan 15, 10 7:44 AM
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I believe the term is the "Blue Wall", If Mr. Hughes pulls off the greatest upset since the '69 Jets I would love to be the fly on the wall when the town police contract is up for renewal.
By westendoftown (18), Speonk on Jan 15, 10 8:02 AM
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If only THAT negotiation was as transparent as congress' on the healthcare bill.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 16, 10 4:47 AM
EastEnd68's prongostication on this election should be taken with a grain of salt. He or she was equally certain of Jim Malone's certain defeat not long ago.
Goldenrod you clearly have no uderstanding of the dynamics of the Southampton Republican Committee. If you did you would know that at nominating conventions no one from the executive committee dictates to the rank and file committee members how to vote or not vote. That would be a sure way of causing their candidate's defeat.
Dr. Granger ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 10 10:04 AM
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You are correct. It is too soon. Now enter the negotiations with Frank Mckay, another Boss of another political party that most think will tip the election.

The problem with political parties, and the allegiances to party interests first. Hopefully people will come to realize that the "Independent" party isn't Independent, it is just another incarnation of bossism.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 15, 10 10:25 AM
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No matter what happens on March 9th, the Southampton GOP will have control of this board. This election is about whether the people of Southampton Town gets some balance on the board or the Southampton Republican leadership gets a super majority on the board.
As for me, I am against "ONE PARTY RULE". We saw it here in SH town with the GOP and look what happened; we saw it in East Hampton with the Dems, and Brookhaven with the GOP. All of which were not good situations.
We need members of ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 11:19 AM
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So I take that to mean you wil be voting Republican in the state elections this year?

After all, with a Democratic Govenor, Democratic Senate, Democratic Assembly, we need some balance.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 17, 10 5:09 PM
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Hampton Bays has the most registered voters in the town. Everyone in HB loves Bill. Mrs Fleming on the other hand has only been in the town for 8 yrs and has been out of government in the post 9/11 world. The last thing we need is a city transplant who doesn't have a clue what this town is all about. Bill has been through the good times and the bad and knows the town inside and out. Like I said in another post, the maintenance guys at town hall have a better pulse of the town than Mrs Fleming.
By politcal pawn (113), Flanders on Jan 15, 10 11:45 AM
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I think the readers of this post, as well as the electorate, can only look at facts to determine whether a candidate is good for the Town. Your opinion may be very valuable to some, to those who know you, but anonymously it doesn't help much.

The only objective measure I see is their respective credentials. Candidate Hughes' tenure on the Town Police force may speak volumes towards his ability to do police work.

and People may like to malign attorneys, but they perform very ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 15, 10 11:56 AM
DJ is right-I've been wrong before and it is true that people in Hampton Bays speak very highly of Bill.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jan 15, 10 12:38 PM
Again, This election is about whether the people of Southampton Town get some balance on the board or the Southampton Republican leadership gets a super majority on the board.
We know that Lt. Hughes is an insider, but that is not what the Town needs now.
Let's not just elect the "same/new Republican".
We need balance, not One Party Rule.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jan 15, 10 2:21 PM
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SHNative is right. Lt. Hughes may have adequate qualifications, but it seems more important not to have a one-sided Town Board. The Democratic candidate, Bridget Fleming, has good credentials, and given the need for balance, she should be the people's choice. The fact that he's a lifetime local and she's lived here for eight years should not sway voters -- it's far more important to get an independent voice on the Board. Skip Heaney and Linda Kabot have put this town on the ropes, financially ...more
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Jan 15, 10 5:21 PM
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Just curious SHNative, how do you feel regarding the democrats overwhelming majority in congress, or the super-majority in the senate? I bet you won't complain about them nearly as much as a still-to-be-decided open seat on the town board. If you want balance, than why even have elections? Let the people decide, even if they disagree with you--that's democracy.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 16, 10 3:31 AM
SHNative says:

"We know that Lt. Hughes is an insider, "

We do? And what is an insider?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 17, 10 1:54 PM
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By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:10 PM
Or better statedt, inside of what?
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:10 PM
Police officers get promoted by cronies, not achievements, Lt. Bill is no different. Is his run for council a sincere concern for the town or to promote special interests? For all you self proclaimed locals, an outside eye keeps things honest!!!
By kpjc (158), east quogue on Jan 15, 10 4:08 PM
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more propaganda, Bill took a civil service test through the county and scored well enough to be high on the list and get promoted. After a retirement he was next on the list and moved up.
By politcal pawn (113), Flanders on Jan 15, 10 9:10 PM
Promoted by cronies? What about the tests they have to take to even be considered?
By concerned citizen (41), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 10 11:30 AM
I'm still searching for Ms Flemings credentials besides a couple of nice photo ops w/ Bishop, ATH and Pope(c ya!). The NYC welfare system is the most abused in this country. I could see if she flipped the system upside down and got rid of the 3rd and 4th generation recipients but it is business as usual in the most corrupt city in the world. We should pile publius, smallhatsize, fidelis etc and drop you off in one of the housing projects in manhattan for a 24 hr period, you will need a set of ...more
By politcal pawn (113), Flanders on Jan 15, 10 9:07 PM
One thing I've always appreciated is the high level of discourse on this site.
By fidelis (199), westhampton beach on Feb 2, 10 12:18 PM
Civil service test-- has questions like: A.Chair
B.Table
C. Umbrella
D. Desk
What does not belong? Some Big achievement!!!!!
By kpjc (158), east quogue on Jan 16, 10 9:46 AM
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That isn't necessary. I am sure Mr. Hughes is intelligent and probably very nice as well.

But do compare the respective qualifications of the candidates. They aren't in the same league for the job of Town Board member. Just as Ms. Fleming would not be in the running for a job on the police force. They are two very different skill sets.

When that is added to the natural allegiances that accumulate over the years when a person works in and with the ranks of the police union, ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 16, 10 10:47 AM
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By concerned citizen (41), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 10 11:31 AM
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By concerned citizen (41), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 10 11:32 AM
We cannot vote for Hughes, as it stands, because he profited from the patronage system that enables cops to stay on the job long after their scheduled retirement date. On the other hand, Fleming has done nothing to distance herself from the close embrace that characterizes her party colleague and fellow Council member's relationship with the PBA.

So far, this race is a "push".
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Jan 16, 10 3:59 PM
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First of all High Hat, you have no demostrated cred as a predictor of local elections so your "push" evalution if it was used in betting parlance is meaningless. Secondly until you have actaully spoken to either candidate directly on the issue you have limited standing, though unlimited right to continue to pontificate on the issue. Get out from behind the keyboard dude and find out for yourself firsthand where the cnadidates line up on this issue of such grave importance to you.....you migt surprise ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 10 5:58 PM
Mr Hughes stated, concerning being an officer, "I know where the perks are." It is my understanding that he said this as an indication that he would cut down on these perks, in an effort to make the town more financially efficient. I have also heard that not all of the town police officers are happy with him running, this could be foreshadowing that he will not put the well-being of the police department above the priorities of the overall community.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jan 17, 10 3:14 AM
The point being made by reference to his "perk" remark is that he always knew about them, and now he has found religion, or maybe he hasn't.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 17, 10 11:28 AM
Publius:
When you post, do you it with the intent of having anyone else but yourself knowing what it is you are talking about?
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:10 PM
All this talk of pensions and such. I have an idea to circulate: Anyone receiving a government funded pension or double dipping government pensions, be required when they retire to live in the town or village wherein the pension was earned. Maybe then the inflated pensions would make sense. costs more to live in Southampton Town than it does in Central Florida. The taxpayers up north are paying for some fancy digs down here.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 12:48 PM
So you favor government restricting ones ability to choose where the desire to live? Wow, that is really pretty frightening, and says a lot about your outlook on the role of government.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 17, 10 1:55 PM
That would be a great idea, except for this document called the "U.S. Constitution" which would make that impossible.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:08 PM
Or lack of knowledge about it.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 2:09 PM
Pension/Perk, Who cares? Do you want a cop with deep ties to the special interests as a long time resident looking out for the few or an educated person who came here to become a resident and will look out for the whole community. NO BRAINER!!!!!!!
By kpjc (158), east quogue on Jan 17, 10 2:32 PM
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Oh you folks can't think beyond.... Look, you pay taxes on your hard earned wages, salary. My idea has merit and belive me I do know the Constitution have read it many times and participated in events to honor our Constitution. so there. Think about it, don't you think it would be nice to have the retiree spend some of the cash in the community in which they earned it? So a clause in the contract would be if they chose to move AS IS THEIR RIGHT the pension would be reduced a certain percentage ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 4:45 PM
You are right. There is no reason that pensions could not, by contractual agreement in the future, be calibrated to the relative cost of living for the locale where the retiree takes up residence. But then you are into questions of residency, always a problematic thing. But it doesn't mean a smart person can't come up with a way to make it work.

Always good to think out of the box. Don't let rude naysayers bother you.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jan 17, 10 5:11 PM
And in the interest of fairness, would we keep track of the funds said person spent during their employ locally? You know, like if they went to Disney do they take a "hit", but if they vacationed in Montauk, they get a credit?

Good grief!!
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 17, 10 5:39 PM
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I did NOT say the pension should be calibrated to anything!! I said If the retiree were to move, take their residense out of the area, the pension would reduce a certain percentage point.
Plain and simple. no reason to get out the computer at all. No one should care where their neighbor moves to except for missing the individual on Main Street.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 5:42 PM
terry, you are being rediculous! Try thinking of something constructive for a change. Hey, it's your taxes not mine.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 5:45 PM
Publius:
You once again demonstrate your ignorance. There is in fact a very good reason that by contractual agreement pensions could not "be calibrated to the relative cost of living" And that reason is that public pensions in NY are determined by law passed by the legislature, not by negotiated contracts.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 6:17 PM
Summertime:
It may be presumptuous of me, but how much do you pay in to the Town of Southampton for the POLICE portion of your taxes?
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 17, 10 6:20 PM
Bayman,
Your question is valid but look at my address Florida, No I am not a snowbird. we moved here because without a pension it made sense financally. I left lots of family back there and all are paying their taxes. Some struggling some not so bad. The thing is I will always have Southampton in my heaart. I will never forget the wonderful village I grew up in, the good friends I left behind. read my comment back on the 14.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 6:37 PM
One thing I would like to make clear I just had an idea, thinking of a way to stop the drain of cash out of town. It is not a new idea but given the way laws have been made since the 1930' and folks ideas of what is right or wrong; the statement made by our school supertendant back then would not be possible today. He told the teachers that the taxpayers paid their salary so they should spend a portion their money in the village. Actually he said a large portion... Quaint ain't it?
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jan 17, 10 6:47 PM
Summertime:
It does not seem there there is a drain of cash out of town but rather in to town, which is evident by the increase in real estate value. Your personal situation may be different but it is fair to say you are the exception.
By Bayman1 (295), Sag Harbor on Jan 18, 10 7:00 PM
Fleming has NO local record of community service from 2001-2010. She, like "Trust Sally" Pope is a media creation. This is too critical a time in the history of the Town to be training a Board member. I had hoped the Dems would have done better than this by finding a candidate with local experience and not one that is there by default with so called "credentials."
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Jan 17, 10 11:27 PM
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I have decided to get back in to this conversation. As far as I am concerned, neither of these candidates has the credentials to sit on the Town Board. In fact, neither do the others that are currently on the Board. None of the current Board Members has any real business acumen. They have never had to hire or fire employees. They have never had to make payroll. They have no idea how to run a business, let alone a Town. Running a Town is like running a large corporation. The Town has the ...more
By bobalooey (45), East Quogue on Jan 18, 10 1:14 AM
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Looks to me that there are alot of you out there, wishes that you took the civil service test and sat next to Bill, and then got promoted thru the ranks, and now that he has held that position in the PD. its time to retire and have no more interests in the Town of Southampton...The civil service test was open to all of you.....don't beat him up, alot of jealousy out there......Get off your behinds and get a job with a pension after 20, just cuz he stayed longer....good for him....i know you want ...more
By BCHBUM11968 (81), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 18, 10 11:43 AM
I just wish that people would just allow these two candidates to have a real campaign based on the issues and their abilities and backgrounds. To have Republicans work against their own candidate is counterproductive and only serves to make them look bad as a party. Something they should have learned from past elections, all the way back to the Halsey-Havemeyer race in the late '90s.
By Uniblab (24), Water Mill on Jan 20, 10 2:27 PM
TIMTSOUTHAMPTON: JUST TO ADVISE SOUTHAMPTON TOWN POS HAVE TO RETIRE AFTER 20 YEARS ITS NOT A DOUBLE DIP, ITS JUST A SMALL SALARY. SO DO YOUR MATH AGAIN TIM. I SUGGEST YOU WALK IN HIS SHOES FOR A WEEK AND SEE WHERE YOU END UP. HE LEAVES A WIFE IN THE MORNING BUT DOESN'T KNOW IF HE'LL COME HOME AT NIGHT.
By kkathkon@aol.com (3), Flanders on Jan 21, 10 9:22 PM
Are you guys reading what you are typing? Why would any fair minded person wanting to serve the community as a part of town government put him or herself through this type of inspection. The fact that you all care so much about the money says volumes about you. Why don't we start a new blog rule. You all not only sign your real names but include YOUR INCOME. That would provide a fair context to otherwise offhanded commentary.
How about a debate on the issues facing the town and the country? ...more
By Bob Schepps (77), Southampton on Jan 29, 10 11:46 AM
Remnants, area rugs, rolls in stock