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Feb 3, 2010 1:00 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Questions are raised over Town Board candidate's fund-raising restrictions

Feb 3, 2010 1:00 PM

William Hughes, the Republican Party’s nominee for the open Southampton Town Board seat in next month’s special election, is stepping back from the financial management of his campaign this week after questions were raised over whether or not he is breaking state law by accepting political donations while serving as an active member of the town’s police force.

John Conklin, a spokesman for the New York State Board of Elections, said that Mr. Hughes, a lieutenant with the Southampton Town Police Department who recently filed his retirement papers, can legally run a political campaign and raise funds, as long as he does not handle the money himself. In other words, police officers are allowed to run for public office as long as they let someone else handle donations and campaign funds—which is exactly what Mr. Hughes said that he and his campaign manager, Alfred Hobbs, have been doing.

New York State election law bans active members of a police force from soliciting or collecting political donations “to avoid the appearance of police officers intimidating people,” Mr. Conklin said. The law also states that a police officer, commissioner or any other member of a police department who “solicits, collects or receives any money for any political fund, club, association, society or committee, is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

When reached Wednesday morning, Mr. Hughes said he is not actively soliciting campaign funds for the special election on Tuesday, March 9. “I’m entitled by law to run for office,” he said. “I’m running for office. I’ll be retired March 8, officially. There’s nothing hidden here. This is as straight up as it can be.”

Mr. Hughes filed for retirement on Monday, January 18, five days after he was officially nominated on the Republican ticket to run for the Town Board. He is currently on leave from his police post, utilizing his unused vacation time, but he is still an active member of the police force and can be called to work if he is needed in an emergency, according to a statement that he released on Tuesday.

Mr. Hughes, who will be challenged by Democrat Bridget Fleming in the election on March 9, also said Wednesday that Mr. Hobbs had been the one who first raised the campaign funds issue, and that he is aware of the state law and obtained opinions from a private attorney on the matter before becoming a candidate, all of which confirmed that his run was legal. Mr. Hughes maintained that he is not soliciting donations and is removing himself from all aspects of fund-raising during his run for office. He said he is taking steps to avoid any appearance of impropriety by putting the Southampton Town Republican Committee, Mr. Hobbs, and his campaign treasurer, his wife, Linda, in charge of raising money for his campaign.

“At this point, both I and his treasurer collect all his donations,” Mr. Hobbs said when reached on Tuesday evening.

In a written statement issued by Mr. Hobbs on Tuesday, in response to questions about the election law and whether it applies, Mr. Hughes said he learned Sunday about the concerns about his fund-raising and the status of his pending retirement. He said he has instructed his “advisers, including those in the Republican Party, to research the matter fully.”

According to state law, an active member of a police department can run for public office but must retire or resign before taking office. John Ciampoli, a lawyer for Nassau County and an attorney specializing in election law, said that, most of the time, police officers who are elected to public office in the same area that they work usually resign so there is no conflict of interest.

“The general rule is that you cannot be employer and employee,” Mr. Ciampoli said. The Town Board controls the budget of the Southampton Town Police Department.

But the issue regarding political donations is a separate portion of state law, and it is cited in the rules and regulations of the Southampton Town Police Department as a restriction on police officials’ political activities. At question is the interpretation of the law, although Mr. Conklin, the state Board of Elections spokesman, said the board’s interpretation is that as long as a candidate does not handle his campaign’s finances personally, he is not in violation of the law.

Mr. Hughes said that there will be no conflict in that respect if he wins next month’s election. “My police career is finished,” he said Wednesday.

Mr. Hughes said he could not recall exactly when his campaign fund was established or when he received his first donation. A fund-raiser for Mr. Hughes was held on Saturday in Hampton Bays. He said that it went well, but he did not know how many people attended, nor how much was raised.

Ernest Wruck, the chairman of the Southampton Town Republican Committee, said donations are rolling in, but he did not yet have a grand total.

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Besides being the campaign manager, who is Alfred Hobbs?

Obviously the rule that the candidate not be permitted to handle the campaign contributions arises from a concern that the candidate could abuse his current position of authority in order to raise funds.

Having the money handled by Mr. Hobbs only works if there is an assurance that the identity of the donors either will not, or can not, be disclosed to the candidate prior to the election.

Then you have the problem ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 2:04 PM
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Did my eyes just get worse or is this article written in smaller type than usual?

By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 3, 10 2:17 PM
fixed now!
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on Feb 3, 10 2:30 PM
Publicis your assertion that a police officer must retire to avoid a risk of abuse of power is ridiculous. Active police officers have run for and held elective office all across New York State, and including right here in Suffolk County, including current county Sheriff DeMarco.
The right to do so has been affirmed (non-binding) by memoranda from the New York Attorney General's office, dating back many years.
The law that is on the books, is of dubious constitutionality, and is well intended ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 2:27 PM
I have to agree with DJ113.

WHO is raising the questions and WHY?

Bill Hughes is not now working as a Police Officer. He is, as far as anyone is concerned, retired. As he stated the effective date of his retirement is March 8, but he has not worked in his capacity as a PO in a several weeks.

I am quite sure we will hear from the other side how terrible this situation is. The bomb throwers will use key words to discredit Mr. Hughes. May I suggest they look at every donation ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 2:39 PM
No one ever abuses power right ?

When we can avoid the potential for abuse, we avoid the abuse.

You may like the candidate, you may personally trust him. That is fine for you. You can make that choice for you, not for me. I don't say he is a bad guy, only that I don't know him, and should not have to trust in either your judgment or his judgment.

Avoid the potential for abuse and it isn't even a question.

Who is Alfred Hobbs ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 3:17 PM
Using your logic, we should take the steak knives out of your house because they COULD be used to do harm.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 3:23 PM
Steak knives have an obvious utility.

Permitting police officers to campaign while on the job has no such utility, at least not for the public.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 3:33 PM
Not to cut too fine a point but the "HATCH ACT" has been applied in cases such as these and if enforced has, so far to date, been effective in defining who can and cannot mix their profession with politics. See below from the U.S. Office of Special Counsel:

About The Hatch Act - State and Local Employees
Hatch Act: Who is Covered?

State and Local Employees

The Hatch Act restricts the political activity of individuals principally employed by state or local executive ...more
By foodie (74), Remsenburg on Feb 4, 10 11:28 AM
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"Questions are raised over Southampton Press' tabloid-esque headline on an otherwise legitimate news story."

It seems the bulk of the questions have been generated here by the headline than in the story.

Charles Foster Kane lives on Windmill Lane!
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 4, 10 12:22 PM
foodie, (or is it Sally?)

The Hatch Act refers to FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. In VERY rare circumstances:

"The Hatch Act also applies by extension to certain employees of state and local governments whose positions are primarily paid for by federal funds. It has been interpreted, for instance, to bar employees of state agencies administering federal unemployment insurance programs, or appointed local law enforcement agency officials with oversight of federal grant funds, from political ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 3:16 PM
So Publicis perhaps you should get to know him before playing a role in an attempted charecter assasination.
And yes suggesting ever so innocently that Mr. Hughes might abuse some sort of power as police officer who is within in his rights to run for office and raise money so long as he is not directly involved, who has filed for retriement and has not worked in an official cpacity as a police officer since he got the nomination, is charecter assasination.
The relevent part of the article ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 3:27 PM
I didn't suggest that any particular person would, or would not, abuse their power as a police officer. Powers, that are pretty extraordinary when you consider them.

I only stated that there is no reason for our community to accept a risk that can plainly be avoided in its entirety.

Who is Alfred Hobbs ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 3:31 PM
The article says Alfred Hobbs is Mr. Hughes campaign manager.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 3:39 PM
As raised in the firs post here "Besides being the campaign manager, who is Alfred Hobbs?"
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 3:46 PM
He is the campaign manager for William Hughes, I think that is clearly stated. Read the article again.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 3, 10 3:55 PM
Publicis, thereis contact information for Mr. Hobbs on the www.hughesforsouthampton.com website. Perhaps if you choose to contact him he can satisfy your curiousty as to additional (relevent?) details of his life hsitory.
Again the larget question still left unasnwered here is from the headline "Questions Raised". It has to be lesson A in Journalism 101 that you give the who, what, when and where to justify the headline early on in the article. I know this is the internet and all, but I don't ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 4:16 PM
from the Press 2/15/2007

"Quogue resident Alfred Hobbs has been named Peconic Bay Medical Center’s Volunteer of the Month for February. Mr. Hobbs, who works in the endoscopy/colonoscopy unit, has been with PBMC for two years. His coworkers describe him as “a wonderful, dedicated and enthusiastic volunteer,” while the administration has noted that “the staff loves his work ethic and his uplifting personality.”


He's also written a couple of letters to the Press about over-spending ...more
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Feb 3, 10 4:23 PM
The trailer about the 45th wedding anniversary was from the 2-15-2007 article.

I don't know the couple but whole heartedly agree.
By diogenes (57), westhampton on Feb 3, 10 4:25 PM
Alfred Hobbs seems like he might be a nice guy.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 5:26 PM
I checked out the website identified by DJII13, and it doesn't seem to be up and going. Yes some pictures of candidate Hughes, but on the tab Issues, it doesn't have anything.

Well, maybe there will be some significant positions taken on the webpage in time for the election.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 5:35 PM
Now this is all very interesting. How is this guy going to run in a campaign? Here is my question:
Why does Hughes have his home address listed with NYS campaign finance disclosure as the official campaign address?
He is going to have to change this if he truly wants to "step back from the financial management of his campaign".
Below, I have provided the link to his campaign finance page with NYS for anyone to review.

http://www.elections.state.ny.us:8080/plsql_browser/getfiler2?filerid_in=C73035

By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 5:37 PM
Publicis the site is up and running as you very well saw. It is not uncommon for candidates to get a bare sight up and running and add to it as they go along. You actually think your candidate's website stakes out any significant position? Give us all a break.


By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 5:50 PM
SHNative this is what the state BOE said per the article above -
"Conklin, a spokesman for the New York State Board of Elections, said that Mr. Hughes, can legally run a political campaign and raise funds, as long as he does not handle the money himself"
As a partisan we all tend to get rahter narrow minded, but surely even you can imagine that someone else would handle the mail
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 5:54 PM
Did you write that with a straight face ?

Mail the checks to the candidate's home, don't worry he won't look?

Are you going to write on the outside of the envelope, "campaign check enclosed no peeking?"
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 5:59 PM
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Bill Hughes,

Time to withdraw from the campaign.

Sam Jenny, former STPD Chief, would have wanted this IMO.

We are watching.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 5:59 PM
You aren't serious are you? Are you attempting to state that some one should have the authority to tell a combat decorated vet or anyone for that matter, that he or she may not run for public office?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:31 PM
And Publicis, how many letters addressed to her campaign do you think your candidate Bridget Flemming is opening. Probably not too many, when you are a candidate if you sped time doing that you are wasting time. Especially if you have a specifc reason not to do so. Anyone remotely ivolved with a campaign would know that if they were inclined to speak truthfully.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 6:06 PM
Are you suggesting that contributors to any candidate don't gain favor with that candidate ?

Are you really suggesting that candidate Hughes will not open his mail ?

The problem is that a police officer currently employed by the Town should not be permitted to run for office while still employed.

The potential for abuse is obvious, and unnecessary.

Who needs it ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 6:11 PM
Publicis, the law is clear on one pont. A police officer is allowed by law to run for office and could even serve while still remaining a police officer. I am sorry that dissapoints you so and is blow to the apparent negative campaign you and your group are trying to turn this into (I would hope your candidate is not associated with these tactics, she certainly presents a nicer picture that that sort of thing).
From a pure political perspctive you should realize you are only hurting your candidate ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 6:18 PM
I didn't, not once, not ever say that a police officer is presently ineligible to run as a candidate for public office.

I didn't, not once, not ever say that candidate Hughes was a bad guy, or crooked, or had ever abused his authority as a police officer.

I did say, that the potential for abuse by a police officer as a candidate is obvious and unnecessary.

I did say who needs it ?

I do say: Why not run after he is in fact retired, then the public need only ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 6:29 PM
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So my question is who are his fundraiser and campaign treasurer? That would end the story. Funny that they haven't been revealed in the article. Yes, no?
By number19 (111), Westhampton on Feb 3, 10 6:59 PM
Funny, perhaps the report FAILED to ask those questions or chose not to report them.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:28 PM
Who is raising these questions???
What are you democrat's running scared because your candidate Bridget Fleming is a loser. During last years election all she kept doing was point fingers and cast blame. She also criticized the 2010 budget, but when asked specifics about the budget she said she had not gotten a chance to read it. What a joke she is.
What’s her platform going to be this time? I could care less about her law degree and that she worked for the DA or AG, or wherever she worked, ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 6:59 PM
Wow reg rep....I actually didn't think the above discussion was partisan until you chimed in with this. This article doesn't say who raised the question of whether Hughes could run or not. It could have been the candidate himself if he thought it would be an issue further into the campaign. See Connecticut's Attorney General race if you doubt people do this.

What's truly sad is that you believe a law degree from an outstanding school and important work with the DA's office isn't important. ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 3, 10 7:35 PM
My answer to you is simple. I am not impressed with Bridget Fleming because all during last years election she offered nothing as a candidate. As I stated before all she did was point fingers about the financial state of the town. As you say with the outstanding school she attended and her important work with the DA's office, she should have been able to do better. All she had to offer was criticism, no real issues on how to fix anything. I'll say it again, I am not and was not impressed with this ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 8:25 PM
I actually think she has a good platform, has lots of energy, is very intelligent and an all around great person. Did you get to have a conversation with her? Or are you basing it off articles you read and maybe a debate you attended?You are entitled to your opinions and your vote. I don't really know Mr. Hughes, so I can't comment on how impressed I would be with him politically. I am sure he is a completely competent police officer. I don't know his positions on anything yet.

But I still ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 3, 10 10:50 PM
LMVT
I would be interested to know what that platform is. My feeling of Bridget Fleming would be the same even if she was born and raised here. What really turned me off to her was when she was asked a specific question regarding the 2010 budget but was unable to answer because she admitted that she did not make time to read it. How could a candidate running for office criticize a budget without reading it. What kind of work ethic does someone like her have?
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 11:18 PM
I think the added problem is the fact that he is still employed by town, receiving his pay while running his campaign. The state might not care under their laws but what about local town laws? What about town ethics? Its nice to see he is retiring as he says on March 8th a day before the election; why not already retire? Why do we the taxpayers have to pay for him to stand around and handout flyers saying what a great guy he is?
By rocky (79), shampton on Feb 3, 10 7:18 PM
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Local town laws may not contradict NYS Election Laws. If you are so concerned about this take 5 minutes to do a search on it.

FWIW you may be interested to know that at one time 3 of the 5 sitting board members in Riverhead were retired Police Officers. I believe that 2 of the 5 are now.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:34 PM
Rocky please explain how is Lt. Hughes still employed by the town, is he using some leave he is entitled to use? Also, it's not that the state does not care, as stated above it not against any laws or rules. Whats your beef with Lt. Hughes?
Sour grapes on not making Lt.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:36 PM
Why is the election of police officers to the Riverhead Town Board relevant ?

Is that an endorsement of the management of Riverhead, or a warning about what can happen ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 7:58 PM
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Because folks of your persuasion make it sound as though the sky is falling due to the fact that it has never happened in Southampton.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 7:57 AM
Hey Reg Rep....you sound desperate.

You do make an interesting point saying that he is retired. Terry says, "Bill Hughes is not now working as a Police Officer. He is, as far as anyone is concerned, retired. As he stated the effective date of his retirement is March 8, but he has not worked in his capacity as a PO in a several weeks."

Is Lt. Hughes collecting a paycheck while he waits to retire on March 8th. Are the people of Southampton Town paying this man to run for Town Council?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:22 PM
I would think ( but I don't know) he is being paid for his unused vacation time.

Surely you are not suggesting that Supervisor ATH is (as the Chief Fiscal Officer) is paying him to run against Ms Fleming, are you?:)
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:27 PM
I'm happy to hear that all the towns funds are accounted for but why are questions not be raised about that? All of a sudden the town has no deficit? All during last years election the democrats used this as a political platform. We heard it at nausem on the radio, in campaign ads and at the debates. Was the supervisors hand picked comptroller setting up the 2009 election?
What will Bridge Fleming talk about for this special election now that the town is not burning.
We were misled as ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:24 PM
Hey Reg....
Linda Kabot was trying to take responsibility for discovering the fund imbalance.

Do you know the answer to the question above? Is Hughes drawing a paycheck from the town while campaigning?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:30 PM
Surely you are not suggesting that Supervisor ATH is (as the Chief Fiscal Officer) is paying him to run against Ms Fleming, are you?:)


I know the Dems dislike each other, but that would really be stretching it.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:39 PM
I'm sure he has years of leave that he is entitled to use SHNative so what is your problem.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:39 PM
"years of leave he is entitled to."

God bless the power of unions, and their ability to score vacation leave in excess of what the employees will even use on an annual basis.

By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 3, 10 8:01 PM
He has, I am sure some accumulated vacation or compensation time.

In no way does he have "years" of time.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 7:59 AM
billy hughes is a man with great credentials,he has one way straight to the problem and then fixes it.he has very high standards,he does everything with 110 percent energy,a true leader who was born to serve.he is probably the most honest person i know.mr.hughes is one outstanding individual.he has no ax to grind,he owes no one,he was born to serve.lets put this man on the town board and see what happens im sure no money will be missing,there will be no surprises,only a more open and honest board. ...more
By earl of olay (13), hampton bays on Feb 3, 10 7:30 PM
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So....
That would be yes.....Lt. Hughes is not working, but is collecting a paycheck from the Town of Southampton.
While running for office, when NYS law prohibits him from raising money for such.
Hmmmm......OK....
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 3, 10 7:54 PM
Lisa you are either not reading carefully or are being willfully disingenouous in your observation that reg reps comments turned the conversation partisan. I'll assume the former and not the later.
The posters against Mr. Hughes have been trying to disparage his charecter on this issue through numerous threads on this sight since he first screened. None of them know him and none will take the slightest initiative to do so.
Take SH Native above for example. He has clearly read in this article, ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 10 9:25 PM
I apologize if I seemed disingenuous, but really didn't mean to. What I should have written was that none of the posts struck me as specific campaigns writing up until reg rep. It seemed like people were divided over party lines, not campaign lines.

DJ I hate to tell you this.....but I think it's more then your usually crew of dems criticizing Mr. Hughes. There are quite a few names on the threads that I don't recognize. He's part of a police force that hasn't lacked controversy. That attracts ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 3, 10 10:43 PM
I don't think William Hughes is doing anything inappropriate in his fund raising. The laws are meant to prevent police officers from using the implied power of their position to intimidate or coerce people into voting for them. I don't think that anyone believes that that is the case here.

However, since Mr. Hughes has remained a Sphinx regarding his opinion about STPD patronage and the misconduct of off-duty police officers, (who used the intimidation of their uniform is precisely the ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 3, 10 10:04 PM
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I take you at your word Lisa on the partisan thing. However I would point out these are many of the same posters who spent last fall slamming Nuzzi and Malone with innuendo and out right false allegations. A vice I readily acknowledge is not limited to your side of the aisle.
To your point about our local PD, does Ms. Flemming also carry the burden of any and all controversies arising from the Manahattan DA's office as well, by that logic?
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 10 7:33 AM
Are these guys that strong-arm you for the P.A.L donations in person and via telephone breaking any laws? They put the squeeze on pretty hard.

Let's get the candidates on the tube. Broadcast debates on channel 22 for the next couple of weeks. Three or four debates throughout the town broadcast the next night (not two weeks later) should suffice. Times-a wastin. Let's hear their take on the issues. Best way to tell who the best candidate is - that's how Malone got elected. This is an important ...more
By William Rodney (558), southampton on Feb 4, 10 7:46 AM
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What does PAL people have to do with this?

I've received those calls as well and inquired as to what their organization does in Southampton Town. I usually hear complete silence then thank them for the call and hang up.

The local Police Athletic League is not affiliated with the groups from state or county that malke these calls.

When and where have you ever been "strong armed" in person for a PAL donation?

Don't count on the local cable to broadcast the debates ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 8:06 AM
highhat's questions to the candidates are worth repeating:

1) Where do you stand on the question of requiring STPD cops to retire after their twentieth year of service, as required by the Town code?

2) Are you aware that the Town is paying more than a million dollars every year in salaries to cops who should have been retired rather than kept on the payroll?

3) Do you favor an addition to the Town code that prohibits STPD officers from appearing in uniform when off duty ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 7:49 AM
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Pick up the phone, contact the candidates themselves and ask the questions you pose. Please let us know the response you receive.


Now jump on the highhat bandwagon, without questioning the legality of his issues or the real implications of imposing them.

You do realize that:
(a) over the years this provision of the NYS Retirement law has never been enforced and
(b) enforcing retirement upon completion of 20 years service is at the option of the Town Board. I could ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 8:13 AM
Publius
Your questions should be what is ATH stand on the requiring STPD cops to retire after their 20 years of service, even though a large deficit existed (5Mil. at the time). In 2008 she would not vote to retire any police officers, thats the reason they gave to endorse her. Did you forget? Did you forget how much money they donated to her campaign?
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 8:59 AM
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Knew that, didn't forget that, I don't have a choice to vote for her any time soon.

The question is for the candidates in the ballot in March. Given ATH's position, you might suspect Fleming would be a go along. I don't know.

I also don't know what Candidate Hughes would say.

Don't you think that these questions should be answered on their web sites ?

Don't you think the candidates, or someone that knows them is aware of this question ?
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 11:25 AM
I guess you are right. Why would I expect the local cable network to broadcast debates to 50,000 + residents of the town? It would make more sense for a couple of hundred residents to shoehorn themselves into a debate and spread the word via telephone or blog.
By William Rodney (558), southampton on Feb 4, 10 9:08 AM
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DJ....there is no attack on Lt. Hughes character on my part.
There are two issues here that needs to be addressed:

First-How can He "step back" from his campaign finances when his official campaign address is his house and his TREASURER is his WIFE?
Source-NYS Board of Elections
C73035
HUGHES FOR SOUTHAMPTON
Linda Hughes, Treasurer
38 YALE DRIVE
HAMPTON BAYS, NY 11946
Status = ACTIVE


Second-How can he collect pay from the town throughout ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 11:22 AM
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It has been explained that he likely has unused vacation time he has to use up.

He has not worked as a PO since he received the nomination.

Just what is it that you are attempting to doSHNative? You just like the idea of slandering a Republican.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 1:27 PM
There's nothing wrong with a spouse being a campaign treasurer, especially in a small local campaign. It's not a hard job and it requires complete disclosure.

The county Board of Elections regularly runs workshops to teach people how a Treasurer's job needs to be done, what regulations it must comply with and when financial reports must be filed. Many spouses, significant others, relatives and good friends of hopeful or potential candidates take them in order to help in a wide range of ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Feb 4, 10 12:38 PM
Gee... being from Quogue cant they raise funds their normal way by having the Quogue police stop every local they can find and give them bogus tickets? Has worked for years in Quogue.......joint task force with Southampton Town Police and all that.........
By OnQuiogue (5), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 1:43 PM
this whole thing is just slimy. Something very scary and wrong with the PD getting so closely involved with politics.
By littleplains (305), olde england on Feb 4, 10 1:56 PM
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Care to explain what is "scary and wrong" with an American citizen partaking in the process?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 3:09 PM
The problem here is that so many police officers have gotten away with this in the past. It has turned into standard operating procedure. And who enforces the wrongdoing? The state BOE is run in every county at the county level. They are easily accessible to local politics.

If you look at all police officers who ran for public office in Suffolk County, you'll notice that most of them did not step down or take leave. Not only that, but if they're running for political office WITHIN THEIR ...more
By freelance (21), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 2:33 PM
Gotten away with what?

You folks are like the creatures following the Pied Piper off the cliff!!

freelance says:
"all police officers who ran for public office in Suffolk County, you'll notice that most of them did not step down or take leave".
That is an out and out lie! Would you please document your claims in some manner?



By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 3:14 PM
Terry,

we have an electorate that is as feed up with police unions as it is feed up with teacher's unions. Both unions are populated by many people (not all) who are overpaid, and fail to aspire to be the best at their chosen profession.

In difficult economic times, the exasperation with such unions is even greater.

This is why there is resistance to putting Candidate Hughes in a position of more authority, including the authority to vote on police contracts.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 3:40 PM
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Gotten away with using their power and influence to change the face of politics.

A good investigative reporter could find all of my information out and document it. However, there's politics in the media too. It's very intimidating.
By freelance (21), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 4:33 PM
I am sure freelance appreciates you speaking up for him/her and defending his/her unfounded claims
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 5:15 PM
Well freelance YOU made the claims. YOU should document what you wrote. Until you do I consider your post to be an outright lie. I am fairly familiar with politics and politicians throughout Long Island, and your claim just does not hold water.

There is nothing intimidating about the truth.

Now, how have police "changed the face of politics"?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 5:19 PM
If the SH Press did this type of investigative reporting I might actually buy their paper. Is it stilla dollar?
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Feb 5, 10 1:04 PM
I would like to point out again that there is a law ON THE BOOKS of the Southampton Town code that states that a police officer's employment ENDS with their twentieth anniversary of service.

When I pointed this out originally, the nay-sayers denied its existence. When it was proven to exist, they said that state retirement law superseded town law. When it was shown that state law was not restrictive, they fell back on the argument that, "It has never been tested in court."

No, ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 4, 10 3:45 PM
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It is in the State retirement law - Southampton Town and Westhampton Beach specifically mentioned.
How that came to pass is somewhat of a mystery but I would bet it would be when the 20 year pension for police outside of NYC got it in the Rockefeller years. (NYC had it first while Wagner was still mayor, the city unions did an end run around Wagner and went to Albany I believe in 1962 or 1963.)
I can't see why it wouldn't stand up in court - its been on the books a long time.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 4:41 PM
No, the retirement law states that a police officer is held employed beyond 20 years service "at the pleasure of the Town Board".
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 5:21 PM
Terry that's correct - the point I was trying to make is that the state retirement law does indeed include this clause specific to Southampton Town and Westhampton Beach - regardless of whether its ever been utilzed by either government. The option is there.
By North of Highway (280), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 9:41 AM
North,
It was my intent to point out that that provios dealing with retirement opun completion of 20 years service, is done "at the pleasure of thetown board"

Thats just wrong for many reasons.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 3:27 PM
Terry....what slander?
The facts are:
Candidate cannot raise funds.
Candidate agrees to "step back" from the finances of his campaign.
Candidate's official address with NYS campaign finance is his home.
Candidate’s wife is the campaign treasurer.
HOW CAN HE STEP BACK FROM HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCES?

Oh yea....he is collecting a paycheck from Southampton town while campaigning for a seat on the Southampton Town Board!
ALL FACTS!!!!! Except for the question.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 3:48 PM
Spend the $1.00 and read the whole story. The one with the headline that says
"Hughes Addresses Concerns Regarding Campaign" and
BOE says he can raise funds for election run

No where near as inflamatory as the headline here.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 5:24 PM
Publicis if you and friends really cared about approaching this election honestly you would find out for yourself in person about Mr. Hughes. If you did, you would find that he is the personification of a police officer who aspires to be the very best at his chosen profession.
By way of example. and this is in no way a negative on your candidate, Ms. Flemming, but I would be willing to wager dollars to donuts that Mr. Hughes continueing education in his chosen profession far outweighs that ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 10 3:53 PM
There is not a dishonest thing i have written, and because you don't agree with me does not make me unfair.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 4:08 PM
I don't think Publius has said that he supports Fleming, or that he is even a Democrat. This isn't a partisan issue and I think the public votes with their party less and less, and they vote with the issues more and more. I can't remember the last time I voted straight across the board for one party.
By freelance (21), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 4:40 PM
By the way, I still haven't decided who I'm voting for yet, but the thought of an all Republican town board doesn't thrill me. I am also not a registered democrat.
By freelance (21), Westhampton Beach on Feb 4, 10 4:53 PM
It would not be an "all Republican board"
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 5:25 PM
True, but there are no democrats currently on the Town Board. I don't know Mr. Malone's registered party, but he was a leader in the conservative party. Nuzzi and Graboski are registered republicans. ATH is a registered independent.
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 5, 10 3:36 PM
Billy is an awesome guy! Not a political type of guy - will cut to the chase - he's perfect fot the job!
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Feb 4, 10 4:29 PM
Publicis, I am willing to stand corrected. Mr. Hughes' phone number is on his website. Give it a dial and find out for your self, whether he is a candidate worth supporting or working against, instead of challenging his integrity anonymously.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 10 5:21 PM
The comments regarding this issue are all over the place. There is an obvious intent behind the election law and the rules of the police department cited in this blog. This would be a non issue if Mr. Hughes was, in fact, actually retired from his police officer position. It would stop the bantering over propriety and let the candidates get on to the real issues that affect the town. Before stepping into a voting booth, I think everyone (from both sides of the partisan aisle) deserves to hear ...more
By WingMan (8), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 6:48 PM
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Mr. Hughes has avoided all sense of impropriety. The demand that he be retired is one of convienence and not one based on fact or law, and is merely a talking point to be replaced by the next one as soon as this has run it's course. It is what his opponents have decided is a strategy.
As per the State BOE and reported here there are no restrictions on his running for office and his campaign raising funds, whether he were retired or actively serving in the department. That he officiallyfiled ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 10 7:44 PM
Listen DJ....Honestly this situation could be reversed, a democrat who is a police officer running for town board and I would still be uncomfortable with the idea. As far as I know, this isn't any kind of secret strategy. I think there are partisan people on here, but I think no matter what side of the court the ball falls on, there are many people who feel uneasy about a current cop running for office.

I'd like to share a convo I had with the hubby. I told him about this story and all ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 5, 10 3:50 PM
The fact that Mr Hughes is an existing Police Officer with all the power that entails
(like arresting political candidates they don't like for DUI in the midst of an election season) campaigning while on the Town payroll is inherently controversial. That's why laws were passed to prohibit potential abuse of power - such as receiving money "for campaign contributions".

Considering the inherent controversy, it was a severe absence of judgement for Mr. Hughes not to even undertake a simple ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Feb 4, 10 8:37 PM
Common Sense:
Is William Hughes running for candidacy in a state with a DUI statute? In New York there is D-W-I, which is an acronym for Driving While Intoxicated.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 4, 10 8:53 PM
Common Sense you are flat out wrong in your assertions and it is evident you have know nothing about either the law or what Mr. Hughes did or did not do. As stated in the article Mr. Hughes is perfectly free to run for office and his campaing free to raise money whether he is a retired or active police officer. The fact he is officially filed for his retirement after being nominated and did his due diligence by checking with an attorney both before and after.
Shouting at us by putting it in ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 10 9:49 PM
Someone commented that Mr. Hughes is retired. Did anyone tell him or Southampton Town that? On the Town's webpage (the new one looks quite nice) is the following listing:

PART TIME POLICE OFFICERS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Southampton Town Police Department accepts applications December thru March for employment as part time Police Officer. Applications must be submitted prior to April 1st of the calendar year. Applications ...more
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 9:57 AM
Then direct your concerns to the IT folks that run the PD website, Common Sense. The fact that he has filed for retirement and is using up vaction time has already been discussed. If you want to play detective , go work on the Lindberg baby caper.
Further, your insinuation that the arrest of a sitting politician by an separate ageny for DWI is in no way germaine to this topic.
Surely you are not attempting to say he is guilty by association to an act that did not occur?

You should ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 10:54 AM
? "decorated warrior" ? Is that a job qualification? We can thank him for his service to his country and respect that, but it is not a reason to elect someone to office. If surviving a difficult, life threatening event is a job qualification, then a car crash survivor should stand for election.

Thanks for service to this country. Lets look at credentials, examine long time friendships and affiliations, and decide who will serve the interests of the entire town the best.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 12:33 PM
I welcome you to do just that.
How did you make out with your phone call to the candidate?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 12:51 PM
Oh, yeah your candidate is retired, and Punxsutawney Phil did see his shadow. Guess he is going to phone it in.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 1:51 PM
Publicis did you really debase honorable military service to the level of surviving a car crash. Ms. Flemming's campaign is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, huh?
At some point when you folks realize you are in a hole on this one, take some advice....stop digging.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 10 2:48 PM
No, just said it does not make someone qualified for the job.

Thanks for the service, but it is not a job qualification. Stop wrapping candidates in the flag. Take a position on important issues (both candidates should do this and haven't) and see who is the better candidate.

Neither has earned a vote yet. He is a vet, she is pretty... Neither have anything to do with serving us. Stand up for something.

I bet Candidate Hughes would win hands down if he were to take ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 2:56 PM
Thank You Dave, I wanted to puke when I read that but I let it slide.

While it certainly not the only resason to vote for an individual, it is indicative of one's character.

Once again, publius, how did you make out with that phone call?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 3:04 PM
Still looking at that empty website, that is nothing but pictures.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 3:51 PM
But his phone number is there, make the call.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 4:08 PM
I am interested in him making his position on matters public. Private telephone conversations really don't serve that purpose at all.

Both candidates need to take written, published positions. Only then will candidates be accountable.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 5:43 PM
Oh, go ahead and make the call. Publish the results right here, my friend.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 8:36 AM
Serving in the Noyac CAC and been a board member at Project MOST (after program for our children) shows Ms Fleming hands in involvement in our community.
By Bel (86), southampton on Feb 5, 10 3:04 PM
Terry:
In most cases, reason, logic, and intelligence cannot be factored in to Publius' posts. Don't make yourself nuts trying to get him to respond in a way that would suggest he is using any of these concepts.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 5, 10 3:26 PM
Some observations on both sides of this issue have some validity.
Mr. Conklin at the Board of Elections is correct that there's nothing wrong with a police officer running a political campaign. He offered his interpretation of the law as it applies to a police officer who: “solicits, collects or receives any money for any political fund, club, association, society or committee...” The Board of Elections is charged with overseeing elections and political campaigns. They are not the sole entity ...more
By WingMan (8), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 3:33 PM
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That's exactly how I feel, with the exception that we don't know who asked the question. It certainly would give Mr. Hughes more credibility if he did it himself just to remove this topic from the debate so we could focus on the issues at hand. But by the comments above it doesn't sound like it's the case.

See this article that discusses Ms. Bysiewicz asking the current Attorney General in Connecticut whether she is eligible to run...http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-bysiewicz-opinion-qualified.artfeb05,0,4488854.story
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 5, 10 4:00 PM
Lisa,
Win, lose or, well there is no "draw" here, Bill Hughes' police career is over. He is not going to put his uniform on, grab a police car and write tickets to anyone who didnt vote or support him. And while I know it is not your intention to infer that, others have.
Ask Lyle Smith his opinion of Bill. I havent spoken to Lyle since before Bill was even a potential candidate so I dont know his opinion. But there is no doubt in my mind that he hold Bill in high regard.
Just becuase, ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 4:07 PM
Wingman, there a number of AG opinions on this subject supporting Mr. Conklin's interpatation. In fact I would be surprised if they were not the basis for his statement. Similarly it is my understanding that the attornies consulted on this issue also researched AG opinions.
Given the amount of police officers who have run all across our state, including our current county Sheriff and the abundence of legal opinion there is no need to yet get another AG opinion. The material facts are no different ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 10 4:03 PM
So Lisa, by your logic as illustrated in this article, Mr. Hughes now needs to go to court to resolve this non-issue that has been raised for purley partisan reasons.
Please note that the multitude of exisitng AG opinions related to this question are issued by associate attorney generals with the disclaimer that they are non-binding.
Given that you all are not satisified with those exisiting opinions and the authority of a representitve of the NYS BOE, whats to make anyone think you would ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 10 4:15 PM
You should know that I don't speak for Bridget, her campaign or democrats in general. Trust me, any hole I dig, is wholly my own :)

I'm not debating whether or not the BOE's decision was correct or not. There are legal decisions made everyday that all of us agree and disagree with. I am simply stating that I understand the concern people have. I am sure Mr Hughes is a completely upstanding guy, both on the force and in his personal life. But say I wasn't interested in local politics at ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 6, 10 12:00 AM
Then one may want to look into the date of retirement and fundraising of NY State Senator Eric Adams
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 4:33 PM
There was a time when it was considered to be infra dig actually to campaign personally for an office that one was seeking. That seems to be Mr. Hughes position. Many questions regarding his perspective and judgment have been raised in this thread. All could be answered by Mr. Hughes on his website.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 5, 10 6:18 PM
I really don't see any VALID questions raised concerning either his judgment or perspecrtive.
Or, if you do have concerns, you could do as publius intends to do ( I am sure) which is to call Mr Hughes directly and ask your questions.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 9:17 PM
Terry - You keep saying pick-up the phone and call. My opinion is a hind sight thing....I think he should have raised the question himself so this would have been a blurb in the paper instead of all this.

Although, I disagree with your train of thought. Yes, active, interested voters MAY call, but it is up to the candidate and their volunteers to find the voters and engage them. At least in my opinion. Wouldn't it be a candidate's dream to have all voters come to them?
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 6, 10 12:04 AM
Lisa,
I am merley calling publius out. If he is SO concerned about this he would make the clall and inquire to Mr Hughes himself.
He spent days asking who Al Hobbs is. 2 seconds on google and he would have known.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 5:57 PM
Sure he could High Hat.....but that would sort of like you answering the question when did you stop beating your wife? It's just as irrelevant and just as unfair and misleading
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 10 6:28 PM
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NO, the questions that have been put forth to not assume that Candidate Hughes beats his wife.

It is a question of whether Candidate Hughes will prevent the police union from beating the taxpayer.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 6:43 PM
Publius:
How much is the Police portion of your southampton town taxes?
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 5, 10 6:58 PM
Too much. Way too much.

No I don't like my school tax bill either.

Both the police union and the teacher's union are albatrosses that are grossly over funded and grossly overpaid.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 5, 10 7:06 PM
Publis:
I bet your portion of taxes to the Southampton Town Police is $200.00. Your school taxes are closer to 5k. Big difference. You actually get services from the police dept all year. Not your school. I bet you spend more on 1 dinner than you spend all year on the police dept. So skip the dinner.
By lifesaver (118), speonk on Feb 10, 10 8:20 PM
Publius:
How much is the Police portion of your southampton town taxes?
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 5, 10 7:14 PM
WIth all due respect Publicis those are two completely seperate and unrelated questions. It also reveals your true bias. You could really give a fig less about the ficticous issue raised in this story. You just want to grind your axe about the police and teachers unions. Which if you were doing so in an intellectually honest way, I might even be inclined to empathize with the rational part of your arguement.
Thank you though for helping to prove my point about how much of this has been made ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 10 8:56 PM
DJ....If is this is a "fictitious issue", why did Hughes "step back" from the finances of his own campaign?
Also, if this is a "fictitious issue" why have you posted your partisan quips fifty or more times on this thread?
Oh....That second question was rhetorical. Please don't answer.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 5, 10 10:40 PM
Once again, SHNative, spend the dollar and read the whole story. The REPORTER stated that Mr Hughes was "stepping back" If you read the ful story you will see there never was anything for Mr Hughes to "step back" from.

Can you let us know what the Dems are campaigning on now that It appears as though there is no budget crisis that Sally Pope "discovered" and the plans to build over a plume in Speonk have been rejected by the Planning Board? Seems they let the process work before saying ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 7:45 AM
The contrast between the behavior of Mr. Hughes' apologists and the man himself is astounding. He could alleviate the worries expressed by the Southampton Town voters herein simply by posting on his website. But while his apologists are feverishly defensive, Mr. Hughes is inert.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 5, 10 11:10 PM

Again, Terry....If is there was "never anything to step back from", why did Hughes "step back" from the finances of his own campaign at all?
Also, if there was "never anythaning to step back from", why have you posted your partisan quips fifty or more times on this thread?
Oh wait....That second question was rhetorical. Please don't answer.

By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 8:09 AM
Please, show me where Mr Hughes said he was "stepping back" from anything.

It is so hard for you to grasp the concept that he did his due diligence prior to accepting the nomination?

And that he has lived strictly by all the laws that govern the political process?
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 8:39 AM
The reason we post is because when you let a lie stand unchallenged, it has the potential to become percieved as truth. To Terry's point must of what you attackers post here is fcompletely contradicted by the fuller printed version on line. And I would suggest even that reporter did not get all of the details.
Again Lisa, Mr Hughes was proactive and did get an attorney to research the matter,before he was nominated. The attorney and subsequent attornies did look at existing AG opinions on this ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 10 8:27 AM
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DJ - So was the inquiry into this to get an opinion from BOE done at Mr. Hughes request? That is the part left out of the article. It doesn't say who made the inquiry. But if it was Mr. Hughes, it might do him some good to come out publicly and say he asked for the opinion just to ensure the public that there was no conflict of interest. Again, at least that's what my recommendation would be to the candidate.

I'm not against anyone on here posting. I think the conversation has stayed civil. ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 6, 10 4:21 PM
Folks: DJII13 and Terry are not interested in rational discussions on facts. They're just extreme partisans clinging to any rationale for the behavior, however far fetched. Save your breath and move on. This discussion has long since gone beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Save your discussions with people with oen minds.
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 1:29 PM
Folks: DJII13 and Terry are not interested in rational discussions on facts. They're just extreme partisans clinging to any rationale for the behavior, however far fetched. Save your breath and move on. This discussion has long since gone beyond the point of diminishing returns.

Save your discussions with people with oen minds.
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 1:29 PM
Common Sense or lack of as the case may be, you cannot possibly believe anyone who has read any of your posts to take you seriously on that charge. You need to get out of your own echo chamber if you have any hopes of becoming believable.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 10 5:25 PM
Terry said,"Please, show me where Mr Hughes said he was "stepping back" from anything".
SH Press writes, " William Hughes, the Republican Party’s nominee for the open Southampton Town Board seat in next month’s special election, is stepping back from the financial management of his campaign this week after questions were raised over whether he is breaking state law"
Terry said, "It is so hard for you to grasp the concept that he did his due diligence prior to accepting the nomination?"
Yes....because ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 6, 10 6:00 PM
For the 4th or 5th time SHNative, where did Mr Highes, and not the reporter say that?

Once again, the Election Law prihibitionis on him soliciting funds and handling the proceeds.

Where the mail is sent has no bearing on this at all.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 11:07 AM
Lisa, Mr. Hughes told the press he inquired to an attorney both before and accepting the nomination. When the issue was raised futher consultations were done with legal counsel. All of whom researched the multiple AG opininions on this topic. This is not new ground, All of which are conclusive that there is no issue in this case. They are most likely the same opinions upon which the State BOE based their statement on.
Bottom line, when you have sound legal advice there is no ened to go chasing ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 10 8:45 PM
DJ - You know it wasn't his opponent that raised the issue. I don't know who did and have been trying to figure it out this whole discussion.

By the way, (and this is partisan....actually more personal)...."uneducated opponent?" There may be some things you don't agree with Bridget on...but you can't call her uneducated without laughing right? In my opinion she is a beautiful, intelligent, high-spirited person who loves people and our community and doesn't shy away from tough situations. ...more
By LMVT (56), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Feb 7, 10 12:11 AM
DJII13: Everytime I check the posts to see a new point of view, i end up up with one of your ubiquitous nth post all over the place (along with another apologist). Are you a member of Mr Hughes campaign war group? Your defense is getting very shrill.

You claim ad nauseam that monumental legal research was done on the propriety of his campaign funds management inspite of public record that his home was his camaign office where naturally checks or cash in campaign contributions could be sent, ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 12:30 AM
"To read the entire article, pick up the the Feb 4 issue of The Southampton Press."

You do realize CommonSense, that
A) you have less than all the facts and
B) It is the reporter that stated Mr Hughes was "stepping back"

The reporter infers that prior to this "breaking news", that something was amiss. This is clearly not the case and if you take the time to read the actual story, you will see once again that Mr Hughes campaign crossed the t's and dotted the i's before ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 7:42 AM
Lisa, I apolgize for the uneducated opponent reference. I meant to type that in the plural in reference to the multiple posters here who clearly are not educated about either the man, Bill Hughes, the law, case history, and whom continue to make unsubstantiated accusations. However you are correct, no one could ever call Ms. Flemming with a law degree, uneducated, and I again apologize for my grammatical error that inferred otherwise.
As to where it came from, does it spark your curiousity that ...more
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 10 7:40 AM
With all due respect Common Sense A) The reporter wrote Mr. Hughes is stepping back and B) see if you can answer this honestly, if the reporter did not write that, wouldn't you and your band instead be demanding that he officially announce that he was doing so? I am glad you think you have an issue you can go negative on. By all means please keep on following it down the rabbit hole. Just don't hold your breath too long waiting for it to have some impact.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 10 7:47 AM
As much as DJ & Terry claim that this is a non-issue, their combined hundred posts or so would say otherwise. I bet that you guys wish that this information never came into the public view. Just keep posting...your protests speak volumes.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 8:27 AM
WHOA there, SHNative!

You and others here cannot enter into this sort of contentious "dialog" with DJII13 and Terry in which they spend most of their time here essentially refuting your (collective) accusations, and then point to they number of posts as "proof" of your position.

This whole Comment threat stinks of the worst kinds of partisanship. But then look at the headline put up by the Editors which becomes self-fulfilling. The Editors fairly "chummed" for such a response.

As ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 7, 10 11:09 AM
Bayman1 has asked me several times how much the police are costing:

In Price Tag Order

Southampton Overton, James $166,366 2009
Southampton Tenaglia, Anthony $162,129 2009
Southampton Hughes Jr, William $153,912 2009
Southampton Iberger, Robert $153,523 2009
Southampton Molloy, Bruce $151,241 2009
Southampton Hintze, Randolph $147,054 2009
Southampton Pearce, Robert $146,456 2009
Southampton Scott, Lewis $143,394 2009
Southampton Schurek ...more
Feb 7, 10 8:47 AM appended by Publius
The teacher's unions are bad enough, but they are amateurs compared to the police unions. Candidate Hughes has a long way to go to convince me he will no be on the side of controlling these costs.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 8:47 AM
Median FAMILY Income in Suffolk County is $97,100.

Obviously, the wages reported in the previous post are for individual wage earners, and you can't really compare that to what an entire family earns annually.

This is the distorting effect of unions on wages. Good for unions, bad for everyone else.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 9:36 AM
To Pubius:

Could you please re-post the link to the website via which one can access the salary of any civil servant. I believe that it was you who initially posted it and I have mislaid it.

Also, regarding the list of STPD salaries for 2009 that you posted, do you know if this listing included overtime pay? Since it was for the past year, is it a listing of the ACTUAL salaries paid? The salaries posted would seem too low for this to be the case.

Thanks
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 2:08 PM
http://www.seethroughny.net/
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 2:38 PM
The link I just put up was taken down (probably an automated thing) So, google the phrase See Through NY and you will get the website.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 2:48 PM
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To Publius:

Thanks.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 6:38 PM
SHNative, it is a non-issue in the sense there is nothing there. It is an issue in the sense that it is the first negative issue of the campaign and your campaign raised it. A distinction that is not particularly flattering for your candidate given the lack of substance.
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 10 10:22 AM

Bayman1 has asked Publius several times: How much do you pay in police taxes to Southampton Town?
He continues to dodge the question, e.g. his above post.
If the answer to my question were so egregious, surely he would want everyone to know and it would be posted. Instead he responds to a question never asked.
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 7, 10 12:51 PM
The form of the answer you demand is irrelevant.

What does it matter what percentage it is of my town tax, state tax, national tax, sales tax forked over annually, or various fees imposed as hidden taxes? That is not a measure of whether we are receiving value for the actual dollars we are paying to the PD.

Even an aggregate budget number is largely meaningless. It is when we look at the individual salaries that a taxpayer can get a true sense of the cost.

The form ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 2:37 PM
Now that we are completly off topic.....
If Candidate Hughes or Candidate Fleming, or Candidate McCain, or Candidate Obama, or Candidate Cuomo or Candidate Lazio yadda yadda yadda made "lowering taxes" the primary plank in their platform, there would be no chance of that candidate getting my vote.
I am a grown up, treat me as one.
Aside from politically expediatant temporary cuts or reductions, taxes don't go down. They never have, they never will.
How a candidate intends to ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 3:06 PM
Yes, the how is the questions posted by highhat.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 3:21 PM
Publius have you asked or do you know what Bridget Fleming's commitment to reduce police costs will be? We already know where Sup. Throne-Holst stands on the issue. She was bought and sold by the PD with the endorsement and donation during campaign 2009.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 3:06 PM
You are quite right. That is why there has to be published expression of intent by either candidate. Absent that, I have to go with the Candidate that was not a member of that union at any time.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 3:20 PM
Publius:
You in fact have accommodated my effort by your responses. Thank you!
By Bayman1 (297), Sag Harbor on Feb 7, 10 3:23 PM
Don't mention it my inscrutable friend.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 7, 10 4:18 PM
INTERESTING

In Price Tag Order

Southampton Overton, James $166,366 2009
Southampton Tenaglia, Anthony $162,129 2009
Southampton Hughes Jr, William $153,912 2009
Southampton Iberger, Robert $153,523 2009
Southampton Molloy, Bruce $151,241 2009
Southampton Hintze, Randolph $147,054 2009
Southampton Pearce, Robert $146,456 2009
Southampton Scott, Lewis $143,394 2009
Southampton Schurek ... more Jr, Lawrence $140,277 2009
Southampton Miller, Steven ...more
By Bel (86), southampton on Feb 7, 10 6:08 PM
Thanks Bel for the information.

Gosh, our public "safety" sure is expensive!

Do these figures include future retirement and medical costs, or is this just 2009 compensation?

Could you post a URL for this information?

Is Ryan Hughes any relation to William Hughes, Jr.?

Thanks again.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 2:35 PM
Publius
It took 35 posts to say what everyone knew all along, you are voting for Bridget Fleming. The PD budget is one issue, what about all the other problems our town has. Basing your reason for going with one particular person because they were never part of the police union is just (sorry) stupid.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Feb 7, 10 6:50 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that the Suffolk County Board of Elections filing for Fleming indicates that most of her campaign contributions come from outside of SH Town.
By nellie (451), sag harbor on Feb 7, 10 8:48 PM
Wonder how many of those cops live outside of southampton town ?
By fix-it-now (216), sag harbor on Feb 7, 10 11:34 PM
You are quite right !

It is amazing how many contributors there are from the State of Virginia. I guess Mrs. Fleming made quite an impression on her law school classmates. So much so that they would support her present endeavors.

It is not so amazing that there are some from NYC where she worked in the office of the District Attorney, and from where many of our Southampton residents have 1st or 2nd homes (depending on who is numbering the primacy of the residence).

And ...more
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Feb 8, 10 8:12 AM
With a month to go before the election, this remains one of those rare occasions when I will not vote for anyone. We have to choose between Bill Hughes, a product of the STPD patronage system, and Bridget Fleming, whose political colleague is the STPD's patron saint.

It might be different if either of them had said ANYTHING about the million dollars annually that is passed to superannuated STPD patrol officers, (or the propriety of STPD officers using their uniforms to intimidate when ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 9:16 PM
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HHS: "Bill Hughes, a product of the STPD patronage system"

Probably one of the stupidest of your pronouncements.
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 7, 10 10:01 PM
'Oh, my!", he said, "How so?"
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 7, 10 10:07 PM
Look around you. Yeah, there's a lot of patronage in the Town, and under Skippy Heaney a chunk of it went to friends of friends "up west."

Please feel free to explain how a competitive CSEA position garners "patronage." I'd like to know because I have an in-law who has had difficulty advancing through "the system," and I'd like to get though a winter without having to help with his oil bills.

By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 8, 10 10:40 AM
Interesting:

Bel's financial information above. Wow, those are some big dollar amounts for our public safety.

Mr. Hughes's Facebook page says he is a fan of Tim Bishop. Really?

http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Hughes/1567790359

via:

http://hughesforsouthampton.com/


This election could get really interesting.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 2:57 PM
PS -- Why does Mr. Hughes's American Flag appear to be flying at the bottom of his flag pole in the top left picture on his site above (just above the rope cleat)?

I thought that proper flag etiquette called for the flag to be flown at the top of the flag pole?
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 3:03 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 3:26 PM
My concern isn't with the candidate on a personal level. It is the superior officers just seperated from the PBA and now one of their own is running for the town board.
By RemembertheDucks (54), Eastport on Feb 8, 10 3:50 PM
Wouldn't separating from the rank and file PBA be a good thing, especially if the two groups objectives are no longer the same?
By Frank Wheeler (1823), Northampton on Feb 8, 10 4:21 PM
I am guessing that my 3:26 post above was removed because it contained a link to a news publication/site which is not approved by the editors here. Why they insist on doing this for minor informational cross-references (especially when 27east is a vastly superior site IMO) is beyond me. Anyway, here is the post, less the offensive URL:
____________________________________________

Regarding the Ryan Hughes noted in post above --

There is a Ryan Hughes from Hampton Bays, who ...more
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 4:35 PM
No, Ryan is not Bill Hughes son.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 5:32 PM
Thank you Terry, is Ryan Hughes any relation to Bill Hughes?
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 6:36 PM
I have no idea.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 8, 10 10:41 PM
Thanks Terry,

OK, so you know that Ryan is not the son of Bill Hughes. This would seem to imply that you know Mr. Hughes, and perhaps his children.

Could you please ask Mr. Hughes if Ryan is any relation to him?

Thanks.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 1:57 PM
No.

Pick up the phone and ask him yourself.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 2:52 PM
Thanks Terry,

I don't know Mr. Hughes at all, and you apparently do, so why would he accept a call from me?

Are we all interested in the truth here?

Please make the call, and post the requested information re: Ryan (or explain why you are not interested in this process),

Thanks.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 3:02 PM
Well, first off, his number is posted on his website, apparently for a reason. For people like you, who have questions. duh

I don't know or care what "truth" you are seeking.

If ,in fact, Ryan is in someway related to Mr Hughes, ddoes that infer a conspiracy of somesort?

You do realize, don't you, that one doesnt get appointed to a postion of Police Officer without having gone through civil service testing. (written, medical, physical, mental )

Dude, why do I ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 3:28 PM
Your post is non-responsive to the questions asked, similar to your post about the reckless driver who apparently escaped from the Village PD at the west end of Hill Street a week and one-half ago.

Please answer all questions asked in a calm and factual manner, or tell us that you are not interested in the facts.

Please disclose your relationship to Mr. Hughes and to the Southampton Village PD, and whether you are employed in law enforcement.

Thank you.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 4:03 PM
PDR, why exactly is it that anyone is obligated to repond to your questions? Terry was nice enough to not let you go with implying that Ryan Hughes was Bill Hughes' son and this is his reward?
By DJII13 (155), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 10 4:14 PM
DJII13,

Terry is free to answer the factual questions asked. I implied nothing, I only asked questions. The longer everyone does NOT answer the factual issues, the more loaded this message board will become IMO.

Have you noticed that Terry's replies kind of dance around a direct answer? Why?

Now that you have willingly joined the fray, are you related to Terry or Mr. Hughes? Do you know whether Ryan Hughes is related to the candidate Bill Hughes? Are in in law enforcement?

Please ...more
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 5:18 PM
PS,

Mr. Hughes is free to issue a press release detailing his relationship (or not) to Ryan Hughes.
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 5:19 PM
PBR, you don't get it do you? You most certainly want to imply that there exists nepotism at the PD. And you would be dead wrong as far as I can see. I have answered you factually and when I dont know the answer I provided to you a means by which YOU can research and find out the answer.

Where did I dance around anything?

Try this: Mr Hughes has published his phone number on his website. I will assume ( knowing the ramifications of assuming anything) that the purpose of that ...more
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 5:29 PM
OK scratch the tin foil hat comment. You need Flash Gordon's flux capacitator.
By Terry (380), Southampton on Feb 10, 10 5:38 PM
everyone is so worried about whats being done by the book. how about lookign it to who and what he's really all about and not what he claims to be. then maybe alot of people will really open there eyes. i wouldnt vote for him if someone gave me a million dollars
By wonder23 (1), hampton bays on Feb 10, 10 8:46 PM
PBR - (does that stand for Pabst Blue Ribbon?)

Terry and I are long lost brothers
Born to different fathers and mothers
Raised in an orphanage
Run by Buddist monks and werewolves
But thanks to this post and your postings
We are now reunited
Words can never express my appreciation
For your insights that made this possible

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