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Jan 26, 2011 11:33 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

ZBA To Decide on Tuckahoe 7-Eleven Next Month

Jan 26, 2011 11:33 AM

A proposal to build a 7-Eleven convenience store in a long-vacant strip mall on County Road 39 could save the property owner from bankruptcy if given the go ahead by the Southampton Town Zoning Board of Appeals.

The proposal took a step forward this week when the ZBA unanimously decided that an environmental study of the project wasn’t needed, despite concerns from community members that increased traffic from the store would create major safety issues.

Now, Oyster Bay-based Leland Lane LLC, can proceed with an application for the convenience store. The applicant is asking the ZBA for relief from a section of the town’s zoning code that prohibits convenience stores like 7-Eleven to be opened in highway business zoning districts. The Leland Lane building—just west of the Hess gas station—is situated in just such a zone.

The ZBA is expected to vote on whether to approve the application at a meeting on February 17.

Representatives of the project argued their case to ZBA members at a meeting on Thursday, January 20. They stressed that relief from the code is needed because the applicant is suffering a financial hardship after pouring more than $6 million into the property has been unable to secure tenants.

But Bonnie Goebert, the co-chair of the Southampton/Shinnecock Hills/Tuckahoe Citizens Advisory Committee, argued that the hardship was “self-created” and a change of use shouldn’t be issued just because the owner made a bad business decision.

The 2.8-acre site in question houses five buildings—including the Sleepy’s mattress store, and is bordered by the Hess gas station to the east.

Wayne D. Bruyn, the attorney representing the applicant, and Stefano Pascucci, the applicant’s real estate broker, recounted some of the financial woes that have plagued the site’s owner. In 2005, the owner received letters of intent from businesses like Starbucks, Fortunoff and Outback Restaurant, according to Mr. Bruyn—which would all have been permitted uses under the current zoning. Mr. Bruyn said his client took out construction loans based on the interest, but since site plan approval was stalled by the Suffolk County Department of Health Services for about two years, the companies walked away. At the end of 2007, more than 200 letters were sent soliciting new businesses that would be permitted within the allowable zoning, but to no avail, said Mr. Pascucci. The only business that expressed any interest in the site, they claimed, was 7-Eleven.

ZBA members held the applicant’s feet to the fire, asking why the board should approve the application based on financial hardship. Board member Adam Grossman asked for a “dollars-and-cents analysis” on why the property was not producing a reasonable return. Member Brian Desesa quizzed Mr. Bruyn as to why this proposal for a change of use was unique. Also, ZBA member David 
Reilly emphasized that such a change of use on the property would be “pretty drastic,” and stressed that the issue was important to people in Southampton.

Mr. Bruyn suggested that bankruptcy was in the cards for his client if the change of use wasn’t granted.

The town’s representatives and consultants to the project addressed traffic and environmental issues at the meeting. Michael Brusseau, a community and environmental planner with Cashin Associates, P.C., said the project wouldn’t pose significant negative impacts to the environment. A traffic analysis produced by L.K. McLean Associates, P.C., states that the 7-Eleven would attract about 100 cars per hour turning into and out of the property during peak times, according to Raymond G. Dibiase, the executive vice president of the group. Peak times include morning rush hours and Saturdays. About 60 percent of those 
cars are already on County 
Road 39, he said, so there would actually only be about 40 new trips on the roadway at peak times.

If the store were a typical retail store instead of a 7-Eleven, however, there would be about 10 to 15 cars entering or exiting the site per hour, he said. Thus, the project doesn’t pose a significant traffic increase, he said.

Ms. Goebert disagreed. “One hundred cars turning in and out of 7-Eleven seems like a lot to me,” she said at the meeting.

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Sounds like another one to get out the troops and protest, since our ZBA seems unable to resist a hard-luck story. The problem is that a hard-luck story isn't a valid ground for granting a major zoning variance. This is essentially a bailout, but unlike the deal with the federal bailouts, the beneficiary isn't too big to fail, and its failure won't rip the fabric of our economy apart. I don't want to sound cold-hearted, but there's charity and there's zoning. They are two different things.
By Turkey Bridge (1773), Quiogue on Jan 26, 11 11:27 AM
Bankruptcy might be a better option. If they can lower their debt servicing costs they might be able to charge a lower rent and thereby attract more potential renters.
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 26, 11 2:26 PM
They had there chance to rent the building out to outback steak house. But the local Mafia stopped that one. so now the owner is suffering seems like a common story up and down CR39 lately the town vs the Business
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 26, 11 7:02 PM
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No one seems to care about the aesthetics of having another ugly 7-ll in Southampton. Starbucks and Outback would be just as bad. These developer "hardships" are created by greedy speculators who over reach and count on local governments to bail them out. Instead of allowing this change of zone, the ZBA should send a strong message that if you miscalculate, you will have to pay the price. let them go bankrupt. Who gives a s**t.
By Phanex (83), Southampton on Jan 27, 11 2:11 AM
Aesthetics and quality of life must take precedence over development. A 7-11 is not needed for so many reasons.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 28, 11 1:19 PM
Aesthetics really? Come on the planning board can sort that problem out, look at Burger King. Bad argument, just go with that we don't need another 7/11... cause we don't!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 1:43 AM
Yes, the planning board can and does deal with aesthetic issues.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 29, 11 12:34 PM
Aesthetics is a moot point as the development is already in existence - all 7-11 would be allowed to do is put up a sign that would need approval from the Planning Board
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 9:55 AM
I think the building is very nice and has allot of character, More than 70% of the dilapidated garbage on the highway. Why does new disturb so many people I don't get it. And I give A s**t but I am not as envious as most of the people on these boards. I live part time in Florida and I ll tell you new is nice.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 27, 11 9:35 PM
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Allow me to speak for myself - I do not want a 7-11 there. The developer is asking for a change of zoning. The land they purchased and built on was zoned "highway business" and the 7-11 is not one. To claim hardship is laughable. Like so many of our newer developments, it should never have been built in the first place. What does envy have to do with it? This is about zoning and quality of life for those of us that live here.

And Ms. Goebert is right, 100 cars turning in and out during ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 28, 11 1:27 PM
Tell me how your "quality of life" in Sag Harbor will be diminished by a 7-11 on 39. There are families in Southampton whose quality of life would be vastly improved if they could find employment - even at a 7-11.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Jan 28, 11 7:32 PM
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I am from Sag Harbor and now live very near this site. People could benefit from employment in any business that opens and we should not be making "hardship" exemptions for developers who want to change the rules. The quality of life of all of us who live here is negatively impacted by unnecessary development.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 29, 11 12:37 PM
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By VOS (1022), WHB on Jan 31, 11 12:07 AM
Saying your quality of life will be harmed without any specificity is nonsense. Give us something to work with.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Jan 31, 11 12:09 AM
Progresses idea of progress is no progress ever
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 3, 11 1:35 PM
yes!!
By Southampton251 (5), southampton on Jan 28, 11 10:48 AM
How can the ZBA expect these highway developments to generate such low traffic volumes when you consider all the costs involved from land acquisition, building, borrowing, taxes etc.. Does 10 to 15 cars per hour pay the bills for such a project? Likewise should the developer not know that with such a low threshold his project is not economically viable. Did they envision professional offices there? Brokers, lawyers, medical offices. Is the rent consistent with what they could afford?
The KK ...more
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 28, 11 12:48 PM
You are missing the point. The developer purchased that land and built that store under highway business zoning. A 7-11 is not considered a highway business and the developer is looking to change the zoning because of "hardship"? No. The zoning rules were there for a reason. The developer is not the victim here.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 28, 11 1:22 PM
What would be a highway business then? I don't exculpate the developer. He should have done a better analysis of what would work there or not. Likewise on the town approval side they should have some notion of what is workable or not. Otherwise we will end up with a whole lot of empty there, bankruptcy, no tax revenues, eyesores, etc. etc.. In light of the businesses that had given letters of intent, I do not see why a 7-11 would not qualify as a highway business. IMO its better to have one on the ...more
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 28, 11 1:55 PM
The 10-15 trips per hour is for that specific storefront. On a whole, the entire strip center would generate a lot more than that especially with the addition of a restauraunt. It all depends on the use... Sleepy's can make a lot of money on just 5 trips per hour. It may take 100 trips per hour for 7-11 to make the same amount of money.
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 9:54 AM
good grief, its a 7-11 not Scores!!
By Terry (380), Southampton on Jan 28, 11 1:24 PM
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It is also not a highway business, which is how that property is zoned, and utterly unnecessary.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 28, 11 1:28 PM
The Planning Board has already questioned the wisdom of allowing a convenience store to set up housekeeping along CR-39, but the ZBA will have the final say and I urge you to just say NO!

The Town of Southampton and its residents need to start separating wants from needs. We need to start thinking of the future of our town and quality of life for us and our children. A convenience store is just that, a “convenience”. It is completely unnecessary, especially as we already ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jan 28, 11 1:30 PM
Its not a greenfield project, the stores are there already. Its not a big box store location either. What else would work there in your opinion?
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 28, 11 2:21 PM
My opinion is that it is zoned highway business therefore the developer has the right to put anything there that falls within that very specific zoning.

During this great economic crisis, many have made the argument that if an individual purchased a house they could not afford then they should lose the house and millions of individuals have had to face foreclosure. Why should we be expected to bailout a developer?
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jan 28, 11 2:44 PM
A used car dealership. Would that work as a "highway business"?
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 28, 11 10:31 PM
Funny how hard it is for me to think of a 7/11 that is located on a Highway regardless of arbitrary local zoning, except the Sag Harbor one. Well there is the one on Waverly Ave in Patchogue and another on Broadway Ave in Bohemia, but maybe it is the classification of what is and isn't a highway business that is truly the issue here.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 2:30 AM
From my own travels I can think of a few- there's a 7-11 on the north side of Montauk Highway in Patchogue in a shopping center, one in Center Moriches on the south side of Montauk Highway (stand-alone bulding) and one on the south side of Montauk Highway in Mastic/ Shirley (also a stand alone structure). I don't really have any feelings either way on this one at the moment except that the Suffok County Board of Health is notorious for stalling on projects lately. Family members of mine have been ...more
By Cdwyer213 (68), Quogue on Jan 29, 11 8:35 PM
I meant to that aren't.... All those you mentioned and MTK Hwy in Bayport, Sayville, Oakdale, East Islip + Union in Islip and A few on MTK Hwy in Bayshore. Point being all these areas are at least as busy if not more busy than CR39 and The zoning seems flawed in that 7/11 tends to be a business located on Highways.... Although I don't see one being needed in this particular location. The King Kullen... YES!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 2:51 AM
no - especially because it requires outdoor overnight vehicle storage.
Jan 31, 11 10:01 AM appended by Nature
this was @ V.Tomanoku
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 10:01 AM
@ ICE - some of the 7-11's you mention are located in Brookhaven Town (Patchogue, Mastic/Shirley/Center Moriches). Brookhaven has different Zoning categories than Southampton and does no thave a "highway business - HB" category.

The 7-11's in Brookhaven are zoned either J-5 (if they have a gas station component, like the one on CR 111) or J-2. J-2 zoning is for retail stores, which 7-11 is considered.

Therefore, the difference is that in Brookhaven 7-11 is not looked at as ...more
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 10:18 AM
True and I even named some in Islip Town as well, point essentially being that SH is nit picking the heck out of the zoning process, which I find to be arbitrary in many instances and based upon the input of a few CAC and advisory group members who have the time to decide for everyone else.
Hess is a gas station/convenience store how does SHT zoning classify it?
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Feb 1, 11 6:50 PM
Because like the East Hampton drug store the town is the one driving him out of business with red tape and bureaucratic delays, But screw them right dog Right progress they have enough money
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 28, 11 6:20 PM
A "self-created hardship" if ever there was one IMO.

If the SH ZBA caves in on this one, it is time to move. Does any insurance company sell "Future Life Insurance Contracts" for this location? A good deal IMO, because many lives will be lost in vehicular accidents if this 7-11 is approved.
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Jan 28, 11 6:42 PM
They could always lower the speed limit to 25.
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Jan 28, 11 10:35 PM
I have a wild idea, No Left Turn....
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 2:20 AM
That's unenforceable.
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 10:19 AM
Nonsense, particularly with angled exits.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Jan 31, 11 3:25 PM
AThat would entail changing the entire site-plan. The proposal is for one store-front, so if you were to add angled exit/entrances you would be eliminating left turns for the entire site - not just 7-11.
By Nature (2964), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 11 3:50 PM
And that is problematic...how? Probably should have been done at the inception.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Jan 31, 11 11:09 PM
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Let's see, speed limit is 35, and the average speed through the corridor is 45.

So, if we lowered it to 25, does that mean drivers will actually do 35?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 2, 11 9:29 PM
How about we put it back to 45 and take off the skirts
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 3, 11 12:10 AM
I've seen someone die, more than once, on that stretch, and excessive speed has been a factor.

I'd tell you where to put your skirt, but I'd rather not have my comment deleted.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 7:40 PM
no one ever said driving a car was 100 safe either is swallowing food if the risk is to much for you than don't do it. Its about risk managment Most people dont get struck by lighting
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 5, 11 8:06 PM
And i was not trying to be cute with the lighting thing
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 5, 11 8:07 PM
I have an idea to make you all feel better lets put in a Trader Joe's and next door a Smart car dealership that does hot yoga classes and sells Heirloom tomato seeds,Crocs and the NY Times. woudnt that be groovy PBR
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 28, 11 8:01 PM
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I can smell the Pachouli oil from here!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 2:21 AM
As long as it falls within current zoning restrictions I would have no problem accepting what you have described from your secret wishes.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 29, 11 12:38 PM
Zoning by nature changes..... sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes not.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 2:52 AM
Careful Joe, you just spilled some of your McRib sandwich on yourself.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 1:24 PM
How about an Applebees? I wasn't a fan at all, but then I had those Cheesebuger Silders and the Wonton Tacos.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 2:33 AM
What we really need is a cracker barrel,or at least an IHOP
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 29, 11 12:18 PM
Cracker barrel for a cracker
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 10:56 PM
I love crackers!!!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 2:53 AM
Do I really care about some developer from Oyster Bay who made some bad decisions. Let him go bankrupt or offer reasonable rent. To change the zoning for these outsiders, REALLY!!!!!! It is too high retail usage traffic to put there. If this gets approved you might as well throw away the law book of zoning for this town. Outback had their own internal money problems and could not proceed with this expansion. It's not fair for South Fork Deli[I guess they predate zoning laws] and 7-11 in Southampton. ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 2:38 PM
I hope someone tells you your an outsider because the mets suck and now because of that you must cut you salary by a third to keep your job.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 29, 11 6:54 PM
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This isn't a job. This was investment speculation. It was a lousy decision. I guess a free marketplace with laws isn't good for you now. The sign of an immature person is always be contrary. Weren't you afraid about illegal aliens hanging out there or that doesn't bother you now. You are all over the place, you can't make up who you want to be. You just want to be a contrary, immature little red-neck cry baby.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 29, 11 8:20 PM
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You just lost your credibility by going the double name calling route, try to make an argument without without having to resort to the personal attack. If you can swing this you may not sound so ignorant.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 2:56 AM
i agree with you metsfan.
By david h (404), southampton on Feb 4, 11 10:38 AM
A more appropriate analogy is this: "I bought a house I could not afford, but I bought it anyway. Now, I know my house is zoned residential, but if you don't allow my to change my home's zoning so I can rent it to a deli, I may have to declare bankruptcy." Would the baggers have any sympathy for that person? Yeah, right - not unless it were Dick Armey
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jan 29, 11 7:43 PM
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See razza put it together, although the residential to commercial is a bit off as a fitting analogy, it is exponentially more intelligent than the angry Met's fan.....
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 2:58 AM
Contrary,immature little red-neck cry baby hit a little to close to home huh, ICE.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 10:02 AM
By the way Ice, what is your opinion of changing the zoning code to salvage the Oyster Bay investment company?
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 10:07 AM
Now Im a redneck...... LOL,
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 30, 11 5:00 PM
Here are some of Joe's words, October 5,2010. It's all part of the cycle when the landlords realize they have to lower the rents the tenants will come back and when the stores are full the rents will climb again. It's called the free market people. If you don't like it go to Communist China. Now what was your analogy with the Mets? If this isn't the definition of contrary, I don't know what is. You are God loving but you hate gay people. Women should have no say when it comes to their bodies and ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 30, 11 7:08 PM
If that was me I must have been hammered because I don't even know what the hell that was. lol. Listen I am all for the free market dictating prices and government staying out of our business if it is zoned for a what a tenant wants to put in the store then so be it . Stop trying to legislate from the bench if you do not like the use or it competes with mom and pop.Mom and Pop have rights and so does Southland Inc
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 30, 11 8:47 PM
I think Joe was correct, it is a cycle and if the free market would be allowed to fail we would have be out of this recession a long time ago. NO MORE BAILOUTS! Let the States File Bankruptcy if they must.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Feb 1, 11 12:20 PM
We NEED another 7-11, there's not enough room for the illegals at the old one! Time to open up a sattelite employment spot.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Jan 30, 11 7:42 PM
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Bravo BF lol
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jan 30, 11 8:48 PM
More proof of my previous assertion that the baggers on this site will take any article and use it as a platform for their ignorance.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jan 31, 11 10:43 AM
More proof that you don't know sarcasm when it is written.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Jan 31, 11 2:12 PM
Well BF may not be too far off the mark. "7-11" has become sort of a cliche for hiring day laborers throughout the area. Maybe this location, with a bus stop, may be a good place to put a "hiring hall" if the proper funding could be had. Of course, it would need all the proper approvals and support. Just a thought...
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Feb 1, 11 10:38 AM
It takes a .big man to own up. Kudos to you, Joe
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Jan 31, 11 8:34 AM
I'm pretty sure that NYS law provides that "no reasonable return" is sufficient grounds for a change of use variance by a ZBA.
By Zorro (66), Southampton on Jan 31, 11 10:53 PM
I think it people need to get off the podium and get with reality, I suppose the poor landlord is the guy responsible for the economy being in the dump ? Between deli's and gas stations with c-stores on CR-39 not to mention a 7-Eleven down the road I don't see what the big deal is here. The whole CR-39 is becoming littered with empty dumps that based upon the failure of this place will deter anyone from buying one of those dumps and making something nice.

Nice community we have here...everyone ...more
By Adesso (5), Quogue on Feb 1, 11 11:06 AM
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Oh, come on, who are you, the developer? This has nothing to do with "kicking someone when he's down". This developer purchased this land and BUILT ON IT knowing full-well what the zoning was and what was considered a legitimate build. Like all developers, he took a risk and that risk is his and his alone. You want to give a "hardship exemption" for every developer who made a mistake?

We do not need another 7-11. I would rather CR 39 become littered with empty buildings than unnecessary ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 11:45 AM
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By They call me (2213), southampton on Feb 1, 11 12:16 PM
Obama will rue the day that he rudely criticized the Supreme Court Justices before Congress during his State of the Union speech in 2010. Revenge is sweet and these Justices will obliterate his "signature" legislation in 2012.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 1, 11 12:58 PM

""Nice anti business attitude you got there in EH Bub! This is all part of living in the fabulous Hamptons.
By bigfresh (192), north sea on Aug 12, 10 7:03 AM""
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 1, 11 1:04 PM
Another 7-11 would be a welcome addition to the area. Relieve congestion around the other 7-11, plus provide another site for day workers to get jobs. We can never have enough late night coffee places.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Feb 1, 11 11:34 AM
You folks who love crap convenience stores and mini-malls should move up-Island.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 11:46 AM
and you should move to block island
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 1, 11 12:01 PM
Speaking of the limited, suburban, mini-mall mindset . . . their poster boy has now chimed in
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 12:16 PM
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Stop trying to scare people Razza, what East End , Adesso, Joe and Ice are saying is your engaging in protectionism and your mom and pop deli does not have the right to keep up islanders and corporations out for the rest of time.. They have rights to. The highway looks like a dump and its not because of the economy, its because the town creates a feeling of your not welcome and if you try to build something new and nice you better come with an army of attorneys.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Feb 1, 11 12:27 PM
Sorry I frightened you, theycallmebagger. I thought you Christie fans were tough guys. I'll try to be more gentle next time. Your corporate overlords will be pleased to see you are still serving their best interests.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 12:42 PM
It would seem it's not permissible to have some bastion of freedom, away from the mega-corporate entity.

It's our right to have that should we desire it, isn't it?

Wouldn't you rather NOT be "spoiled" by some 24/7 society? I see consistently the damage it does firsthand. I consistently see MANY people who DON'T prepare for things like storms, or other emergencies until the last minute, because of that type of convenience.

SPOILED. PERIOD.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 2, 11 10:06 PM
Thanks !! At the end of the day America is about capitalism. If you want to be successful you need to offer the best product and the best service. The customer makes the final choice. I was supporting my local pharmacist for years buying my meds that weren't covered by insurance from him until I figured out that for months he had been short changing me on my scripts giving me 1-2 less pills. I never said anything to him and changed by script over to CVS and have had better service and honest service.
By Adesso (5), Quogue on Feb 3, 11 9:19 AM
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Your failure to not report him for malfeasant behavior, or to speak up when one has done wrong, has NOTHING to do with capitalism. Your pharmacist "shorting" you a couple pills is ILLEGAL, and you have committed what the Catholic Church would call a "Sin of Ommission" by your inaction.

I'm more than sure you could have found a much better local pharmacist, there is more than one in this town. Southrifty (The Medecine Shoppe) has been around in Southampton for longer than I've been alive. ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 7:39 PM
Does anyone have a definition yet for "highway business"? I could not find one in town zoning web site. It seems to be a subjective term. What is acceptable to some is not to others. So what is allowed there?
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Feb 1, 11 4:21 PM
Highway business is all of CR-39 from the Lobster Inn on. So all those gas stations with c-stores, the deli etc are all in highway business. Since everyone is so concerned about the letter of the law I guess we need to shut down all the convenience stores in the HB
By Adesso (5), Quogue on Feb 3, 11 9:22 AM
The deli is grandfathered in. It predates zoning laws. The gas stations with convenience stores become more of a gray area. It has to do with percentages of their business. Like gasoline sales are say eighty percent of revenue,so there main business is still selling gas not coffee. Supermarket lobbyists are fighting this as they see their part of the apple being sliced up with stores that have tremendous,accessible locations selling competing goods in highway zones that they feel shouldn't be zoned ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Feb 4, 11 9:32 AM
Thanks i get now I think. Businesses that related to the highway and such. Auto dealers, tire dealers, auto parts, gas stations, auto mechanics, auto body...So be it. I think its unfortunate to be so limited but it is a highway after all, as the Press points out, and traffic problems and not aesthetics or convenience prevail.
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Feb 5, 11 11:28 AM
Yo, joerazza, could you give it a break?

BORING !!!!
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 1, 11 5:55 PM
This from the man with 687 postings. Come on.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 6:55 PM
Yo joerazza it is not the quantity of posts in question, it is the total lack of QUALITY in your exchange here with each other. You are bright enough to take a deep breath and this, are you not?

BORING !!!
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 1, 11 7:04 PM
PS -- "see this"
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 1, 11 7:05 PM
PS2 -- the moniker "joerazza" was meant as a joke, combining the names "joe hampton" and "razza5351." Perhaps some posters are moving too fast to appreciate this?
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 1, 11 7:07 PM
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hey, pbr, would you please contribute something of quality to this conversation.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 1, 11 11:52 PM
"something of quality?"

See above, and note the silence.

Ahhh !!!
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 2, 11 4:39 PM
Nope, nothing of quality there just a lot of BORING
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Feb 3, 11 8:07 PM
Applebee's, Outback, Friday's, 7-11, and the like mostly sell food, that isn't even food. It's mostly processed CRAP that contributes to the obesity epidemic in this country for starters. At least something like a Trader Joe's sells healthy, whole foods, people.

Do we really need TWO 7-11s within five miles of eachother? I'm all for "community", and "helping out a fellow American who's down on his luck", but a line must be drawn somewhere when it comes to the laws on the books. The ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 2, 11 9:53 PM
Yaaaa ....Brown shirts, Ipads, plain white yogurt and Trader Joes coupons for all Yaaaaa Dam that Bush and AIG Social Justice Now! Yes We can!
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 3, 11 12:08 AM
Can I take out a "Dead Peasants" policy on you, then?

I bet you'd like that...
Feb 3, 11 4:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
OH, and remind me again, what was the Fourteenth Amendment intended for? And, how has it been abused by corporations for their own ends? For your sake, I hope one day you develop a "wide angle lens" view of this world...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 4:55 PM
Spoken like the true radical hippie we have grown to love
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 3, 11 12:04 AM
You must be about useless in the kitchen, if you think Trader Joe's is "bland". For reference, my world is an "Apple Free" zone. I don't believe in proprietary companies like them, and I do like Linux very much.

Spoken like the deregulating, fiscal anarchist we have all come to know, and loathe...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 4:54 PM
Deregulation is a wonderful thing
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 3, 11 6:14 PM
I'm sure all those affected by the most recent economic meltdown, which deregulation directly led to, would agree with you...

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

"Yea', right! And later on, monkeys might fly outta' my butt!"

~Wayne Campbell
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 7:29 PM
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By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 3, 11 7:51 PM
Which regulation(s) were eliminated that would have prevented the recession?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Feb 3, 11 8:21 PM
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By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Feb 4, 11 10:50 AM
Citation please.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Feb 4, 11 5:47 PM
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By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 5, 11 5:45 PM
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By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 5, 11 7:45 PM
Remnants, area rugs, rolls in stock