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No Simple Solution For Illegal Housing Issues In Springs

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Will James   Jan 18, 2011 1:14 PM
Springs residents listen as Dave Buda makes a point at a meeting held in the Springs School library Tuesday night to discuss concerns about the East Hampton Town Board's plan to revise its accessory apartment law.      KYRIL BROMLEY  PHOTOS
Springs residents listen as Dave Buda makes a point at a meeting held in the Springs School library Tuesday night to discuss concerns about the East Hampton Town Board's plan to revise its accessory apartment law. KYRIL BROMLEY PHOTOS
Houses cordoned off into private apartments; groups of people sleeping on mattresses laid out in basements; front and back yards turned into parking lots; and, above all else, ballooning school taxes.

Those are some of the complaints Springs residents detailed in a series of interviews last week—accounts that were corroborated by public officials—following an East Hampton Town Board meeting last month at which residents aired their frustrations, in broad strokes, over illegal housing and a burgeoning population in their hamlet, and urged government action.

The feeling has not subsided since then. Last week, frustrated residents said they planned to meet at the Springs School library on Tuesday, January 18, to mount a strategy. Some said they planned to bring lists of homes they suspected of violating zoning rules, which call for only... more

Is Kathy McCormack serious? She worked for six years for a Town Supervisor who said he would elimninate the Springs over crowding situation and NEVER DIID ANYTHING! Rather than sit at her desk for six years in town hall and say nothing as the situation got worse why didn't she complain to her boss? Her current indignation is political, ridiculous and phoney. These people have no answers themselves so they attack the people who are at least trying to develop some kind of ideas. If the list they ...more
By connwatcher (96), east hampton on Jan 19, 11 10:01 PM
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So they should do nothing out of fear of lawsuits? I give Cathy McCormack credit for bringing attention to an issue nobody else would talk about.
By Trail mix (13), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 12:45 PM
As if Kathy McCormack is the only Springs resident complaining? The Supervisor said he wanted a list of every illegal residence in Springs -its up to him to compile it (and taking the subject list from residents can be a start) and then vet it properly.
If there are five or six (or more) cars in the driveway/lawn of a home it is perfectly reasonable for the town to investigae/ask questions. If neighbors submit complaints concerning suspicous illegal housing then in fact its the Towns obligation ...more
By zaz (129), East Hampton on Jan 19, 11 10:28 PM
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Hi zaz - First, the "four car rule" on the books has NEVER been enforced (meaning no one is really ticketed for this), to my knowledge, except in situations where the renter/homeowner has been Hispanic. Plenty, plenty of homeowners and their families in this town (who all live in one house) have more than four cars . . .some are just fortunate enough to have GARAGES also - if you get my drift . . . Second, after I read this, I watched the Board Meeting AGAIN after logging onto www.townclerk.com ...more
By Board Watcher (299), East Hampton on Jan 19, 11 10:55 PM
Bet the "White" families with more than 4 cars have them all insured!!!
By ICE (1042), Southampton on Jan 25, 11 10:57 PM
Hi - first, talking about this with an ethnic/rascist undertone isn't helpful. The issue is the property owner, not the tenants, and compliance with laws that preserve the intended single family makup of neighborhoods. Very simple. I saw the supervisor on LTV and he did in fact say he wanted to know about every illegal accessory apartment (I very specifically remember him saying "...including basements..."). And saying that it "...isn't up to a citizen, or Bill W, or code enforcement...but a jury...". ...more
By zaz (129), East Hampton on Jan 20, 11 1:15 PM
Every homeowner in Springs should grieve their taxes this year. If the property values in Springs are in fact being negatively affected due to the illegal housing situation this method will give the Town a reason to really do something about it. Hit them in the pocketbook and they'll take notice.
By JCPA (8), East Hampton on Jan 20, 11 4:22 PM
If every homeowner in Springs grieves and everyone's assessment goes down proportionately you will still be paying the same amount of school tax because only Springs school district residents pay Springs school tax. If the education cost does not go down the tax levy does not go down so everyone still pays the same amount irrecective of the valuation of property. Where you may get relief is on town and county taxes because your reduced assessment would result in you paying less of those taxes. ...more
By connwatcher (96), east hampton on Jan 22, 11 2:51 PM
Hey Zaz and Board Watcher - I watched the hearing on the website to see exactly what Wilkinson said (and thanks for the link) - he said he "wanted to know what's out there . . . every illegal apartment - I want to know if they are in basements, in apartments . . . I want to know what we do at the bottom line, at the end of the day", and that he wanted to investigate ("go into it" he said) the housing situation (I believe he meant in the Town - not just Springs) "wholistically and comprehensively." ...more
By BonacP (22), East Hampton on Jan 20, 11 11:05 PM
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By rational (6), east hampton on Jan 21, 11 11:03 AM
Springs residents do not care who is living in these overcrowded illegally occupied houses. The issue for us is the illegal overcrowding mand the impact on property valuses, taxes the schools and quality of life.. The people who keep raising the Latino issue are the ones who are showing bias and are fanning the flames. Those people are singling out one group, Latinos, as deserving preferential treatment by advocating that they do not have to abide by the same laws as the rest of us.

I ...more
By rational (6), east hampton on Jan 21, 11 11:43 AM
Amen to that!!!
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Jan 21, 11 5:15 PM
When someone gets up at a public meeting, as happened this past Thursday at the Town Board meeting, and addresses the Town Board and uses the word "Julio" to describe a group of people (to the applause of some in the audience), then there is something wrong here. I know teachers in Springs that are appalled by this language and the fanning the flames of race. The racism being spewed by former Democrat administration employees when they so freely throw out the hot button word "ghetto," and when ...more
By connwatcher (96), east hampton on Jan 22, 11 3:10 PM
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By ICE (1042), Southampton on Jan 25, 11 10:59 PM
Is Connwatcher playing the race card? That is as low as it gets. The Citizens of Springs are trying to come up with a solution to a real issue facing this community and all connwatcher can do is trash them.
By Trail mix (13), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 12:56 PM
He most certainly is playing the race card
By razza5351 (550), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 1:04 PM
Yep, anyone playing that card is part of the problem. It stops debate instead of encourages it. Pathetic!
By Trail mix (13), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 2:28 PM
It's amazing how this housing problem happened in the 13 months since the Republicans took the majority. Maybe it's Bush's fault.
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Jan 22, 11 5:17 PM
yes, no voices of racism ahould be given any credit. This is about illegal housing not ethnicity.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Jan 23, 11 12:24 AM
Hi Zaz. I am NOT "assuming that landlords found to have in fact violated the law, to the satisfaction of the government authorized entities responsible for enforcing those laws, are going to sue". I AM assuming that not every subject house of a "complaint" is "illegal" and I am saying that, even if there is "illegal activity" going on in a house - code enforcement will need a warrant to enter if the homeowner/tenant doesn't just let them in. And I think the MOST DIFFICULT and tricky part of obtaining ...more
By Board Watcher (299), East Hampton on Jan 23, 11 1:37 PM
I'm curious, does anyone know or how can I ascertain if there is much of a difference in the percentage of children to households in the different school districts?
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Jan 23, 11 4:06 PM
So putting aside the enforcement issue, you choose to embrace those who violate the law that zones Springs as a single family home district; those that drive down your (and your neighbors) property's value; that degrade your (and your neighbors) residential quality of life; that overburden your (and your neighbors) access to Town services, and that drive up your (and your neighbors) school taxes. Quite un-neighborly.
By zaz (129), East Hampton on Jan 23, 11 4:09 PM
There is a simple solution to all of this. If you take the approach that everyone has the right to live in a safe house or apartment, you need to make sure of that as a matter course the houses are up to state and local codes. Accessory apartment or rental permit laws allow for inspections to adhere to the code, to Make everyone safe. The school issues are separate and apart from residential issues about dangerous overcrowding. So step one make sure you have safe places to live for all and that ...more
By HamptonAnswer (7), Easthampton on Jan 23, 11 5:08 PM
True this is about overcrowded housing. At the same time to try and pretend the vast majority of people living in these overcrowded condition are not of Hispanic dissent is ridiculous. The safety of those in these overcrowded houses is a concern as is all the strains they put on the rest of the communities residents who are abiding the local codes.
By ICE (1042), Southampton on Jan 25, 11 10:54 PM
Can you offer proof that the "vast majority" are of Hispanic descent or is that just your normal bigoted crap? By the way "dissent" means to differ in sentiment or opinion. Is there a correlation between bigotry and grammar?
By razza5351 (550), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 1:07 PM
Actually, the preponderance of the population, are our newly arrived wave of "huddled masses". They are accompanied by the youth who want to remain in the home they love, but find it a massive B***H to afford. We can thank the vast abuses of "American Freedom" for that. I will refrain from penning six, or seven paragraphs on how our "system" is far too unregulated, and has visited the depths of fiscal anarchy.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Jan 28, 11 10:36 PM
ICE,
If what you claim is true, then why shouldn't we allow the strains to be lessened by this very modest acc apartment proposal that would go far in allowing acc apartment to surface legally? Why shouldn't we have fairer taxes by ending landlords from getting away scott free from paying taxes on illegal apts? When Babylon, LI had an amnesty for non-conforming apts., 478 people stood in line to make theirs legal. Some say it only rewards illegality like the yearly library amnesty on overdue ...more
By mo (60), Sag Harbor on Jan 26, 11 1:57 PM
Time for the town board to grow a backbone and do something about the illegal housing in Springs.Maybe we should hold back lets say,$1500.00 of our taxes,let the town send bills to all the owners of overcrouded houses to make up the difference.Seems only fair and almost legall.I say if the house is a single family home being used by two familys,double the taxes on the property.If three familys,tripple and so on.I am damn tired of supporting the illegals.
By Real Bonac Bub (1), East Hampton on Jan 26, 11 7:27 PM
Thank you Mo - what you are saying makes sense to me. It is absolutely true that adding more code enforcement did not eradicate the "problem" during McGintee's reign. It seems to me that the Budas and some other people calling to get the "illegals" out have personally experienced living next door to "problem" neighbors. While I can sympathize with them, stepping up code enforcement under the current laws is only a SMALL PART of any solution to the Springs tax and density issues, it will not solve ...more
By Board Watcher (299), East Hampton on Jan 27, 11 6:59 PM
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The undercurrent of bigotry is not so much an undercurrent as it is a highly visible, shameful, and unstoppable tsunami of bigotry.

Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, came here to satisfy an insatiable appetite for cheap labor. They came here because they were lured by the promise of work and, in the good times, there was plenty of work and these immigrants did their fair share and did it well when many business would have gone under were it not for their presence here.

Most ...more
By progressnow (385), sag harbor on Jan 28, 11 8:37 AM
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So, who is fixing up, or revolting from abuse, or standing up tor their rights in THEIR country?

While they are HERE, who is fighting to have what was fought for on American soil?

I have always respected your opinion, but they would risk their very lives, one way, or the other.
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Jan 28, 11 10:38 PM
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By Kaiser Sozay (20), east end on Feb 4, 12 2:15 AM
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By Rimz88 (1), Southampton on Feb 4, 12 6:31 AM

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