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Jul 13, 2010 5:35 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Wainscott community members see disconnect in developer's vision for Plitt Ford property

Jul 13, 2010 5:35 PM

He said currently the prices he’s been offered are too steep, but that if they were reduced over the next few years, he would reconsider.

Design was also a concern. Mr. Saunders said he hoped for a unique design—which he described as “antique barn”—to set a chain store apart from its other locations. He also said the setback from the road would be landscaped, and he would deal with the appropriate town departments to keep everyone satisfied.

Jordy Mark, a committee member, said she didn’t think Mr. Saunders was considering the whole picture.

“It seems like you’ve done your homework, but it seems like you’re surprised by some of our concerns, traffic, parking,” she said. “As much as I like the idea of a health food store, I’m really concerned by traffic and ‘Disney Design’—when something is made to look like it fits in but it doesn’t. Wainscott is not a beautiful village, it’s utilitarian, it’s rural.”

Bob Schaeffer, vice chairman of the Town Planning Board and a Wainscott resident, said he thought the detailed planning board process and directions from the Architectural Review Board would iron out a lot of the details mentioned at the meeting.

“Some of the issues here are premature,” he said. “It hasn’t come up for a site plan review yet. Almost every issue here will be addressed over time.”

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"Kathy Giamo... said she didn’t think building a large supermarket would be “fair” for the people who live in the area and that she would prefer to see more forward-thinking planning, like a small community center or anything to turn Wainscott into a more “walkable community.” "I really cannot see any way this business can be developed at this property...”
What planet do these people come from? Wake up: when entities pay millions of dollars for commercial property (on Rt 27) they are going ...more
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Jul 14, 10 5:41 PM
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Typical response from people who have moved out here and expect their struture to be the last thing built! Wainscott rural? Really, what planet are these people from!
I just love the suggestion that he build a community center, was she serious... is she that out of touch? I love how community groups speak for everyone based upon their own values beliefs and not on a consensus of the community.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 15, 10 1:48 AM
Developers haven't been playing "fair" out here on the East End for a long time...look what has happened to Southampton Town...Illegal housing ....illegal plans pushed through at night ....money changeing hands at the blink of an eye. Too little-Too late...Be careful what you wish for Developers...you just may get it...and you will end up with MONEY PITS that the community that lives here year round can only shake their heads and say "I TOLD YOU SO---YOU BIG BUNCH OF GREEDY IDIOTS!" No more "Hamptons"---just ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 15, 10 7:53 AM
Don't let this tired old building become another "Bulova" eyesore. It would be nice to have an alternative to shopping at King Kullen.
By SagHarborBob (91), Sag Harbor on Jul 15, 10 11:44 AM
I hope the developer has success with whatever goes in this location but I also hope the town requires some sort of smart traffic flow, ideally working out a reconfiguration of the park lots for this property as well as the pizza place and the place next door to get traffic onto Wainscott Road so they enter the highway at the stop light.
By Rich Morey (370), Brooklyn on Jul 15, 10 4:42 PM
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you wonder why the[broke]ers called.i hope its turned into the great wainscott lawn like the former mark r lot was.
By asurest (117), easthampton on Jul 15, 10 5:59 PM
This is just too funny.

I had commented about "what was next", after the Tuckahoe Main St. proposal, and the Water Mill proposal.

Frightentingly prophetic...
Jul 16, 10 6:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
You know where the "major disconnect" is? The gap between the "haves", and the "have nots". Nothing like "de pecuniae" segregation to keep society whole...
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jul 16, 10 6:56 AM
When Bob Schaeffer says "Some of these issues are premature ... almost every issue here will be addressed over time" it makes you realize that there is no overall vision for Wainscott; with each property sale you have a different set of rules and aesthetic considerations. Why isn't there a comprehensive plan for this part of EH town? If there were a set of overall guidelines (not just laws and codes) and a real vision, then each project that comes before the planning board would have to conform ...more
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Jul 16, 10 9:43 AM
I'll admit I haven't been as far east as Wainscott for years but earlier this week I was on LI to meet with a client in Sag Harbor. If the traffic in Wainscott is similar to what I experienced this past Tuesday afternoon from Southampton to Bridgehamprton I have to ask, can any new store along the highway really make it that much worse? I grew up on the East End but hadn't ventured that far out since the '90s and was kind of shocked at how often I was inching along in traffic on my way to Sag ...more
By KashMinbar (6), Tucson on Jul 16, 10 2:00 PM
Actually, the no bike rinding, or skateboarding for that matter is for your safety.

You could hit sonmeone, or a driver negotiating a parking space could hit you.

We have those rules, because it has happened...
By Mr. Z (11552), North Sea on Jul 16, 10 5:59 PM
Yo Kash,

"I'll admit I haven't been as far east as Wainscott for years . . . "

Long trip from Tucson!

By PBR (4946), Southampton on Jul 16, 10 7:12 PM
Arizona's SB-1070, Love it.... Support it.... Hope it spreads to every state!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 16, 10 11:31 PM
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teparty nonsense
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Jul 19, 10 12:05 PM
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Spell Check.... Know how to use it?

What laws do think should be optional? Obviously you think those concerning how one enters our country are optional, any others?
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 19, 10 4:32 PM
I am saddened to hear that a former neighbor supports this faulty AZ legislation/anti-immigration effort. Your gov hates your state and here's why:
-She says it's a dangerous place to live yet crime in border areas is DOWN significantly in past 5 years
-She says illegals take away jobs, yet illegal immigrants mostly hold farm jobs that NO ONE else will take. Lose those and the nation's supply of fresh produce will collapse overnight.
-She says the borders are broken yet the number ...more
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Jul 22, 10 3:08 PM
Laszlo: I hope you're not addressing this remark to me, there was nothing related to SB 1070 in my comment. But as long as you brought it up...

I agree, Jan Brewer is an embarrassment. But please, don't delude yourself with generic statistics about "border areas." There are still very dangerous places along the border - Google "The Third Country, Tucson Weekly" for an informative read. SB 1070 isn't about border security though. SB 1070 is Politics 101: Take the most divisive issue ...more
By KashMinbar (6), Tucson on Jul 22, 10 8:29 PM
Laszlo Lowenstein - your point has a huge weak spot, that is that the majority of our fresh produce comes from out side the country. Furthermore the people who cross AZ border don't necessarily stay there or take farm jobs. How do you think your landscaper got here? The majority of the restaurant kitchens here on the east end are staffed by people from Central & South America, think they are all legal? I have worked in many and more often than not they are ILLEGAL! Many are very nice and hard working, ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 23, 10 2:34 AM
The reason I bring up the border question is that the first step in solving our illegal immigration problem is securing the borders. Then dealing with those here illegally in whatever manner is worked out. We can't just create a path to citizenship with the borders open as it will only provide additional incentive for people to enter our country illegally. We have been too lenient in our border enforcement for decades, it is time to clamp down.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 23, 10 2:52 AM
Saunders has a fantastic idea, I hope it comes through with flying colors. Maybe it will inspire all the other landlords on the Wainscott strip to clean up their run down shacks. Wainscott a walking a town? Not likely. All Wainscott needs is another empty dump like the old Swamp/ Star Room. If one lives near a main street and does not expect to hear trucks they need to re-think their real estate choices. It's comically really, much like the homeowners on airport road that complain about the airport ...more
By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Jul 18, 10 12:30 AM
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The town has about 40K residents not the 20 we all wish. Yes most in Springs and Montauk not in the wanna-be Sagaponac community of Wainscott but 40K none the less. As a wider community we need the same things as every community of equal size needs. Auto dealers, gas stations,convience stores,retailers,(KMart, not R.Lauren), industry, and grocery stores. And even though Trader Joe is no King Kullen it's not a Citerella either. We need a grocery and it should go here. Fact
By facts man (148), east hampton on Jul 18, 10 9:12 AM
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I'd love a Whole foods store or Wild By Nature, so would a lot of others. People from Amagansett travel to Hampton Bays to shop at the natural food store there, according to what its employees told me last year, spending up to $800 a pop. I'd shop there year round.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Jul 18, 10 11:48 AM
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goldenrod...about the Wild By Nature in Hampton Bays, I hate it, honestly, push for a Trader Joes, much better store, WBN is completely overpriced.
By xtina72 (7), East Quogue on Jul 18, 10 5:19 PM
That is partly true, certain items are far more expensive there. If you use it as your only supermarket you will pay more for the common items than you would at a Stop & Shop. If you get what is only available at WBN and then get your other items at King Kullen or Stop & Shop. The rewards card at WBN keeps track of what you spend each month and they send out a coupon for between 10-20% off your total bill.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 19, 10 4:41 PM
What does Breadzilla, Twice Upon a Bagel and The Seafood shop think about this plan? We have great small businesses there already so, what good will this place add? King Kullen is 4 miles away, Waldbaums is 5 miles away, is that not close enough for a food store? I think adding a mega-store like Trader Joe's, or Whole Foods brings unwanted and unneeded traffic to the area. I doubt this idea has any legs, but it sure will stir the pot for the next 2-years. Mr. Saunders will need to share his ...more
By NYCUSA (1), New York on Jul 21, 10 2:55 PM
Answer to first question: small stores nearby won't like it because it represents competition. Should these stores have a say in who gets to compete? No. You rolls the dice, you takes your chances.
RE: Mr Saunders "well thought out plan," he doesn't have one. he has preliminary drawings and lots of "it will great, you'll see" comments. Don't trust anyone who invests in real estate who is saying it is for the public good unless he's willing to give it away (he is no Rockefeller). He wants ...more
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Jul 22, 10 2:59 PM
The small stores nearby will make it, the Seafood Shop & Breadzilla have a loyal customer base who will still seek their products. The seafood dept. in any supermarket just can't compare to what the Seafood Shop offers in freshness & locally sourced products. While these stores mentioned all would have a bakery, once again the products offered by Breadzilla are of artisan quality which the supermarket bakeries can't touch. The Bagel store could go either way, they do primarily a breakfast business, ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 23, 10 2:46 AM
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