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Fire That Destroyed Water Mill Mansion Still Under Investigation

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Colleen Reynolds   Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM
Jan 31, 2012 6:09 PM
Firefighters Battle Major Water Mill Blaze
Firefighters Battle Major Water Mill Blaze
The cause of a raging fire that devoured a Water Mill mansion last Thursday, January 26, has not been determined and remains under investigation by the Southampton Town fire marshal’s office.

The intense blaze sent embers flying onto neighboring properties, threatening to spark additional fires, while eight fire departments and a half dozen ambulance companies fought through farm fields to reach the scene.

“It’s probably the biggest fire I’ve seen since I’ve been in the department in the last 20 years,” Southampton Fire Department Chief Rodney “Chip” Pierson said.

No one was in the 10,000-square-foot house at 18 Jordan Drive when the blaze broke out shortly before 6:45 p.m. last Thursday, and no serious injuries were reported, Southampton Town Police said, although firefighters said some emergency responders suffered smoke inhalation.

Chief Pierson noted that... more

Stunning photos by Dana Shaw in the Photo Gallery.

Thank you to all the responders, a fine effort indeed.
By PBR (1108), Southampton on Jan 26, 12 9:46 PM
The house has been listed for sale since 2009. I smell a rat
By itsamazing (79), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 7:36 AM
Great job by our firefighters!!!!! Happy to hear noone was seriously hurt.......
By rjhdad (15), southampton on Jan 27, 12 7:42 AM
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God Bless the firefighters who put this out. I too smell a rat.
By local (81), north sea on Jan 27, 12 11:40 AM
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Nice job, responders.

Interesting stats:

Purchase Price (in May, 2007) - - - - - - $$1.7M
Assessed Value (4&1/2 yrs, later) - - - - $$3.5M
Insurance Coverage - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ???????

By highhatsize (1177), East Quogue on Jan 27, 12 11:57 AM
Gee, I didn't hear any thunder last night?
By Swankston (2), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 2:27 PM
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There goes Mr Betts again getting his name in the headlines...
By FLRalph (6), Flanders on Jan 27, 12 3:41 PM
As grand-dad used to say, if it smells like *, looks like * and feels like *, its *. This one is a no brainer.
By Swankston (2), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 5:33 PM
When I saw the pictures of the blow up pool I figured there was no fire hydrant in the area. Obviously many pumper trucks were required to fill the pool. Drove by Jordan Dr. today and there are no fire hydrants. I thought hydrants were required in new developments? The location of hydrants is something to think about when you buy or rent a home.
By auntof9 (32), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 6:11 PM
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I didn't notice the owners quoted as thanking the local volunteers who were called out to the fire.
By M. O'Connor (59), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 8:56 PM
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Sometimes houses just burn down. People can't help but speculate with little to no facts.
By dnice (52), Hampton Bays on Jan 27, 12 9:01 PM
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By greenmonster (10), southampton on Jan 27, 12 9:24 PM
I am the Senior Public Adjuster for Long island Public Adjusters representing Paul Fried and Michael Polacco on this loss. Let me say that they both have expressed extreme gratitude to the firefighters and made it a point to personally thank everyone that was on the scene.
We are currently working directly with the Town Fire Marshal and the Insurance Company to determine the exact origin and cause. At this time it has been deemed sudden and accidental however additional investigation is ...more
By Kevin Godfrey (3), Stony Brook on Jan 27, 12 10:06 PM
"As for it being for sale since 2009 a quick click to zillow.com will show hundreds of houses in the Hampton's on the market since 2008/2009."

EXACTLY.
By Captn America (894), Southampton on Jan 27, 12 10:50 PM
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Didn't the house have an alarm system connected to a central station? Even if the security alarm wasn't armed, the smoke and fire detector should have automatically sent a warning well before the house was fully engulfed.
By goldenrod (377), southampton on Jan 28, 12 12:32 AM
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By Swankston (2), Southampton on Jan 28, 12 7:10 AM
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Fire Departments from all over the East End responded to this fire with the most modern equipment yet the house burned down,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,was it worth the effort and cost????
By Etians rd (86), Southampton on Jan 28, 12 7:58 AM
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Good to know that the adjuster (?!) representing the owners in their insurance claim is doing double duty as their PR spokesman. Since 99% of the locals are connected in some way to volunteers who are family and friends, the claim that thanks were expressed will not be hard to verify. It is not remarkable that this house (not a home--no one lived there in that sense, ever) was for sale. So are most houses bought on spec, for the sole purpose of making money, the more, the better.
By M. O'Connor (59), Southampton on Jan 28, 12 10:36 AM
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Blacklab said it had no alarm system which is hard to believe. It is highly unusual for a recently built, valuable house NOT to have an alarm system - one that includes hardwired fire detection units; especially considering that such houses usually have extensive wiring for cable and AV. Maybe the owners were not having it monitored?
By goldenrod (377), southampton on Jan 28, 12 11:13 AM
That house has been a source of trouble in the neighborhood since the days of its construction. Every summer it's the same story: loud parties, garbage in the neighborhood, and code violations.
Thank you to the firefighters who protected the neighboring homes. This fire could have destroyed more homes and taken lives.
Hopefully, the Town will now hold these owners and similiar property owners in this neighborhood accountable for code violations.
By wmlocal (2), Water Mill on Jan 28, 12 11:25 AM
Here's an idea.. Let's stop building developments on farmland. If there was any sort of natural dividers between this house, and others, the noise made by the current tenants would have been a non-issue due to the dampening to acceptable levels. But, being a development on farmland, there was no existing landscaping. Just a golf course of houses for holes.
If I had enough money to rent a $3m+ home, I would probably throw a party, too. And, the local town officials, etc have enough control ...more
By The Royal 'We' (73), Southampton on Jan 28, 12 12:11 PM
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By informer, southampton, ny on Jan 29, 12 2:12 PM
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Most public adjustors are not called until much later in the game when the insurance company and the policy holder don't see eye-to-eye on the settlement. It is highly unusual and very odd that not only has this homeowner already hired an adjustor but the adjustor is on this site and the homeowner's girlfriend is on another site spinning the story. This is not normal behavior for the shocked and grieving. It is pretty aggressive. This is also the same guy with the windmills or turbines on his ...more
By Janistory (2), East Hampton on Jan 30, 12 6:37 AM
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"My business model has long been short-term rentals," says Paul Fried, a developer and landlord whose company, Orion Realty Group, owns five Hamptons houses, all but one of which are fully rented for the summer. Short-term rentals are "a lot more work [for landlords]; you have more turnover and it's much easier to just rent for the whole season; but they can command a premium [higher than] what they might have otherwise rented for," Fried says.

2009 NY Post.
Jan 30, 12 6:46 AM appended by Janistory
From June 2005. Where is the journalism and the Town Inspectors? The scene at 1616 Millstone Rd. in Noyac during a recent morning was almost typical for summer in the Hamptons, except that the 45 teenagers lounging by the pool, playing basketball or hanging out had just spent the night in a four-bedroom house, fully stocked with alcohol and not a single chaperone in sight, Southampton Town officials said.
By Janistory (2), East Hampton on Jan 30, 12 6:46 AM
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By eastend2 (4), hampton bays on Jan 30, 12 7:10 AM
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By highhatsize (1177), East Quogue on Jan 30, 12 12:14 PM
Post-prom rentals are huge out here and virtually nothing is done about it. My nephew went to a post-prom party 10 years ago in a Hampton Bays house. A fistfight erupted over some girls and police were called. Yet the place continued to be rented out to teens. The daughter of one of my spouse's clients just this week mentioned went to a party in Water Mill. She's 17 and has no friends who live out here, so it was definitely a one-off party rental. It's about time towns cracked down on this sort ...more
By btdt (53), water mill on Jan 30, 12 2:34 PM
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Just a hypothetical question...
say a person were to rent out a property with no smoke detectors and unsecured swimming pool...if a 17 year old were to become inebriated and have an accident wouldn't the renter be charged with criminal negligence? Who is responsible?
By eastend2 (4), hampton bays on Jan 30, 12 2:42 PM
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Who would believe that the mere mention of the scarlet letter with respect to a fire would be grounds for censorship?
By highhatsize (1177), East Quogue on Jan 30, 12 6:35 PM
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LIGHTING
By patrickstar (52), hampton bays on Jan 31, 12 6:01 PM
had a fire in the 70's and public adjusters were there and/or calling me with 12 hours
By xtiego (68), bridgehampton on Jan 31, 12 7:47 PM
One needs no qualification to be a public adjuster. No inusurance license nor any special ability. Scanning the police and fire frequencies for other family's tragedies sounds helpful, however.
By The Stinger (3), Southampton on Feb 2, 12 9:42 AM
tragic
By lollie94 (2), east hampton on Feb 3, 12 4:24 PM
Luckily no one died fighting this fire, however if they did, the blood would be on the hands of Mr. Betts and Mr. Lombardi. They've made it impossible for many of us to make a living off of our rental homes. I'm not saying the fire was set intentionally, however, it wouldn't surprise me to see more fires like this in the future and someone LOCAL will eventually pay the ultimate price. So, suffer a loss of life or a few summer weekends of people partying. Let's see how long the new Rental ...more
By MsRainbow (13), Southampton on Feb 7, 12 7:25 PM
You sound like a horrible person, threatening our firefighters that way. As for Betts, he is doing the job he is paid to do - code enforcement. If you don't like it, obey the law or go away. By the way, lots of people do rent their homes perfectly legally, without disturbing their neighbors.
By SusieD (78), Southampton on Feb 7, 12 8:09 PM
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By MsRainbow (13), Southampton on Feb 8, 12 5:03 PM

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