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Lack Of Federal Funds Could Force Gabreski Air Tower Closure

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Erin McKinley   Feb 22, 2013 4:10 PM
Feb 27, 2013 12:22 PM

Pending federal budget cuts slated to take effect starting at the end of the week could force the closure of the Federal Aviation Administration’s Air Traffic Control Tower at Gabreski Airport in Westhampton this spring, according to U.S. Representative Tim Bishop’s office.

The cuts, known as “sequestration,” would go into effect on Friday, March 1, and slash approximately $600 million from the approximately $15.2 billion FAA budget for 
the remainder of the 2013 
fiscal year. Once in effect, the FAA will be forced to close 
100 towers nationwide—including six in New York State—starting around April 1.

Without the control tower, Gabreski Airport would convert to a “non tower” operating status, meaning that pilots would be responsible for the safe operation of the aircraft, according to Mr. Bishop. The Suffolk County-owned airport, which is both a general aviation facility used by private aviation and air taxi services, and the home base for the Air National Guard’s 106th Air Rescue Wing, currently operates under “non tower” operations at night. Additionally, it is one of only three airports on Long Island with towered operations during the day; the other two tower-controlled airports on Long Island are Republic Airport in Farmingdale and MacArthur Airport in Ronkonkoma.

“Sequestration would be a self-inflicted wound on our fragile economic recovery and it can be avoided if the Republican leadership in the House [of Representatives] would compromise on a balanced solution to our fiscal challenges,” said Mr. Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, in a prepared statement issued late last 
week. “The impact will be felt 
by all Long Islanders if sequestration is allowed to go forward.”

According to Anthony Ceglio, the manager of Gabreski Airport, a non-controlled airport is considered not as safe as 
other airports because pilots will have to be extra vigilant. 
Once an airplane enters a five-mile radius from the airport, pilots will have to announce their landing intentions over the radio. They will have to make a radio announcement 
through every step of the landing process and until their plane is safely on the ground and off the runway. Traditionally, pilots are guided to the runway by an air traffic controller in the tower who is also monitoring the paths of other planes in the area.

Mr. Ceglio said he recently received a letter from the 
FAA stating all towers that 
oversee fewer than 150,000 
total operations each year would lose their towers if the sequestration cuts take effect. Last year, Gabreski Airport 
had 77,000 total operations, barely half of the required amount.

The loss of the tower will also be a blow to the local economy, officials said. If the tower closes, seven full-time air traffic controllers would lose their jobs at the airport, according to Mr. Ceglio. He is also concerned that several corporate jet owners could opt to utilize another airport with a tower due to safety concerns if the money isn’t made available.

“There will be a loss of revenue to all the businesses that operate here,” Mr. Ceglio 
said. “There will be a trickle down, or domino effect, that could be put into effect by this and if businesses aren’t getting the services they usually do for the aircraft, they could possibly have to start laying people off, too.”

It is unclear at this time how the lack of a tower will impact operations for the 106th Air National Guard, which makes up approximately 20 percent of operations at the airport. A representative from the Air National Guard was not immediately available for comment this week.

According to Oliver Longwell, a press representative 
for Mr. Bishop, the congressman is advocating for tax reforms that would generate new revenue instead of slashing 
funding. He explained that Mr. Bishop believes that necessary spending reductions should be prioritized by the federal government, and not rolled out as sweeping across-the-board cuts.

“Gabreski Airport is a vital resource both for general aviation and for the homeland 
security mission of the 106th Air Rescue Wing,” Mr. Bishop 
said in the same prepared statement. “Closing the tower could result in delays and potentially unsafe conditions in the air, especially during inclement weather and high aircraft volume.”

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Nice leadership Timmy! Where is Tim's tax reform plan? Maybe he should stop bashing people and have the courage to actual present a plan. He is great at running his mouth and whining though!
By razza5350 (1554), East Hampton on Feb 22, 13 4:35 PM
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Definitely an 'A' grade for fear-mongering. If the government only spends 1.5% MORE than it did last year planes may start colliding or crashing.
By Duckbornandraised (82), Eastport on Feb 22, 13 6:48 PM
Does that mean that Biden can't land in Gabreski anymore? Oh the horror.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 13 8:35 PM
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Yep... lol, nor can Brangelina, Bill and Hillary or any other "notables".
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Mar 5, 13 3:38 PM
The usual scare tactics once again, what Timmy's not saying is that there are 2 more extensions till March 27. There are many many ATC's in training they will be the first, if any. Then furloug days, possibly 1 day's pay, etc. There are many avenues in FAA to cut , so "YOUR SAFETY" is not at stake. Comeon Timmy can't you once come clean?????
By The Squirl (32), Red creek on Feb 23, 13 3:05 PM
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Don't follow Bishop but this statement really does make him seem like an a$$. Embarrassing.
By Lschuster (1), Westhampton beach on Feb 23, 13 11:18 PM
Um, Tim, Republicans just compromised to allow Obama to raise taxes and sequestration was devised by Obama and the democrats. Republicans want sequestration replaced with a less arbitrary slate of cuts. But I don't see democrats coming to the table with any offerings of compromise to reduce spending, just more ideas to increase taxes. In true out of touch fashion, Nancy Pelosi recently said we don't have a spending problem and you are right on point with mention of closing “tax loopholes.” ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 24, 13 12:39 AM
Wow...you right wing folks need some anger management. Get over it, he was reelected.
Bishop is letting us know how the Republican slash and burn cuts are not only a major drag on the national economy but they effect us here on Eastern LI.
By SHNative (543), Southampton on Feb 24, 13 9:04 AM
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So the kamikaze House Republicans create a crisis that deletes the money needed to operate the tower, but its the Democrats and Congressman Bishop who are at fault. This inexplicable and paradoxical ideological belief is known in religions other than lunatic Republicanism as a "mystery".

As for the "alternative" to the looming cuts, the True Believers in the House would leave the dollar deletions untouched but allow the President the authority to decide whose ox was gored thus making him ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 24, 13 12:12 PM
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The Sequester was developed by Obama staffer Jack Lew. Pres. Obama stated several times "If you tinker with it, I will veto it". Passed by Democrats and signed by the Democratic president. So how is this in any way a "Republican created crisis"?
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 24, 13 7:15 PM
SAorry-if a majority of republicans didn't vote for it,it would not have come to this.
From Factcheck-
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The Line: “The president’s sequester.”

The Party: Republican


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By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 24, 13 10:57 PM
Didn't the House Democrats control the house in 2009? Did they do any spending cuts? No!! How can you do budget cuts when the Democrat led Senate can't even make a budget for the last five years? Bishop is one of the problems not a solution he has been in office for a decade and we keep losing jobs. We have all had our taxes raised this year when do the cuts start?
By chief1 (1372), southampton on Feb 24, 13 4:20 PM
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Our federal income taxes have gone down......unless you make over 400K.
We are gaining jobs.....
The cuts will start Friday....unless there is some change in the sequester.
You need to turn off Fox and get the real information.
By SHNative (543), Southampton on Feb 24, 13 6:36 PM
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Wrong. Federal income taxes have stayed the same but payroll, Social Security, health care and 15 other taxes you pay to the federal government have gone up.
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Feb 24, 13 7:19 PM
Hahahaha. Please let me know where I can get some koolaid.
Feb 25, 13 12:19 AM appended by dnice
"Reafer"ing to SHNative's obviously doped ideals.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Feb 25, 13 12:19 AM
It's obvious you don't receive a paycheck or you would notice 2% missing out of it. By the way welfare spending has gone up 47% since this clown got into office.
By chief1 (1372), southampton on Feb 25, 13 11:32 AM
Hey Chief, you know why there is 2% missing from your paycheck. Because REPUBLICANS insisted on NOT RENEWING the payroll tax cut in budget negotiations. Federal taxes are the lowest they've been in DECADES. "While you were bitching about the guy who bought a Snickers with his food stamps, Exxon pocketed $9000 of your tax dollars."

Cowards like you always attack welfare while letting corporations get away with murder.
By witch hazel (190), tatooine on Feb 25, 13 12:06 PM
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some facts for the chief of bs

Debt and Deficit. In the past 17 Presidential terms, nine were GOP led and eight Democratic. Of nine GOP Presidents, six added to debt/GDP and deficit/GDP as a percent. The only three that did not, had a Democratic House and Senate. Of eight Democrats, each one, reduced deficit/GDP and debt/GDP as a percent. That is 66 years of rhetoric of fiscal responsibility with zero net results for GOP. What makes matters even worse, is the fact that the president who ...more
By witch hazel (190), tatooine on Feb 25, 13 12:08 PM
The oil industry were the largest group of taxpayers in the history of the US. The US goverment gave away a couple billion to the oil industry. Meanwhile the oil industry has paid close to 900 billion in taxes not to mention the millions it employs. It is one of the only industrys that is actually growing. What happened to the promise of no more defecits when the Iraq war is over? 49 million on welfare that's a fact. Largest debt creating president in history is Obama
By chief1 (1372), southampton on Feb 25, 13 12:31 PM
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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 25, 13 12:51 PM
By the way, your initial attempt to blame the president was over the 2% tax increase. Why not address Hazel's factual statement regarding how that came about?

The good news for all Americans is that the teaparty extremists were rejected last election and will be again. This is a left of center country on issues ranging from gun control to climate and, although the teaparty lunatics yell the loudest, they make the least sense.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Feb 25, 13 12:54 PM
Left of center? I guess that depends on location. As far as TP lunatics, yeah, the loudest person in the room is often annoying but there is a reason they hae gained a voice, we are in serious trouble. Politics in its totality is dysfunctional at best. I consider myself conservative but must sometimes shake my head at my own party. Politicians don't care about us or the country, they care about remaining as politicians.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Feb 25, 13 6:39 PM
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Witch you may want to check your figures and stop reading left wing propaganda. Look at the US government web site. And look up the increasing debt and deficit during obamas 1st and 2nd term and then get back to me.
By razza5350 (1554), East Hampton on Feb 25, 13 8:19 PM
Witchhazel, you've heard of the difference between correlation and causation, right? Statisticians usually don't pay much attention to it because they can conveniently select the numbers that fit their desired outcome, or in this case, political agenda. For example, as ice cream sales increase, the rate of drowning deaths increases sharply. Therefore, ice cream consumption causes drowning. It's the thing that says correlating one piece of data with another is simply not how one goes about establishing ...more
Feb 25, 13 8:26 PM appended by Captn America
One thing is for certain - conservatism has worked every time it’s been tried and it’s the foundation of what the country was established on. That's the of the "radicalness" of the Tea Party movement, which BTW, maintained control of the House in the last election.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 25, 13 8:26 PM
chief, you should read McKibben's piece on the collegiate student movement aimed at Universities divesting themselves from their "Big Oil" holdings.

And, just FYI, they're making more than a dent with their movement. Biofuel and carbon neutral is the future, and these kids know it. #%*^ "Big Oil".
Feb 26, 13 6:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The Great Dying", or the Permian-Triassic Extinction is something you should look into. The recovery time from the severe global warming was approximately 30 million years...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 26, 13 6:50 PM
to Captn America:

Quote:"One thing is for certain - conservatism has worked every time it’s been tried and it’s the foundation of what the country was established on."

Utter rot, ask any historian or political scientist of any political persuasion. The United States was founded on LIBERAL political principles. The Constitution is the paramount example of a LIBERAL political document and it is the foundation of a quintessentially LIBERAL government, ours. Every single ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 25, 13 9:59 PM
HHS. Here are some statistics directly from the US treasury web site (no BS numbers).
1. National debt 2008-10 trillion. National debt 2012-16 trillion (currently 16.5 trillion)
2. National deficit 2008- 459 billion. National deficit 2011- 1.645 trillion.
It's time to stop blaming bush and look at the numbers. Obama is no Clinton.
By razza5350 (1554), East Hampton on Feb 26, 13 4:24 AM
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Horse hockey HHS. Liberals today confuse classical liberals with themselves. Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets. Libertarians, aka classical liberals, founded the U.S. Your confusion is understandable, since those who are commonly referred to as "liberal" today are anything but. They are more properly known today as leftists or collectivists, but they ...more
Feb 26, 13 9:11 AM appended by Captn America
Whether democrats are "superior" or not to republicans can be proven in either direction with a wave of the statistical magic wand that never takes into account the countless different variables which all play a factor, i.e., it was all Bush’s fault.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 9:11 AM
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to Capt'n America:

Your misstatement of Liberal philosophy is typical of muddled conservatives.

The truth is that 21st Century Liberals are the linear descendants of Jefferson, Franklin, Washington and the other great men who signed their names to our founding documents. Conservatives, on the other hand, are the political descendants of the Tories who despised them. (The Democrats, being degenerate Liberals, more often represent Liberal ideals than the Republicans, hence, we ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 26, 13 4:38 PM
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Wasn't it the Federal Reserve who reduced the currency supply by almost a third, triggering the "Great Depression"?

And, wasn't it the mercantile magnates who exited the market without so much as a whimper heard about their actions via insider trading? They in turn consolidated power, and wealth by being liquid because they were in on the scam, while good hardworking people were looking for a bridge to jump from?

"Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 26, 13 6:37 PM
No misstatement on my part HHS. 21st Century Liberals are INDEED the linear descendants of Jefferson, Franklin, and Washington… Jefferson Davis, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Washington DC corrupt politics. Conservatives today believe in "We the People", not "We the Government." Individual freedoms were paramount to the founders, just as it is in conservatism today. Equality to liberals means one group is more equal than another and should get special consideration because they aren’t ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 3:49 PM
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As usual,captain jackboots rolls out the far right wing talking points.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 6:28 PM
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Didn't "Conservatives" borrow, oops I meant STEAL 5 TRILLION DOLLARS from the "entitlement" programs they say we can't afford?

Greenspan was a conservative Republican, as well as Reagan, and the House of Bush. And which party ripped off the "entitlement" surplus in the last thirty years to support deficit spending? Yeah, "We" thought so...
Feb 27, 13 6:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
Social Security all by it's lonesome is owed 2.8 trillion dollars. That means 2.8 trillion in T-Bills which cannot be used for COLA, or funding. Shame it wasn't in a lockbox trust, because it would be far beyond fully liquid today.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 27, 13 6:39 PM
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Actions certainly speak louder than words or labels. Politics is riddled with those from the left and right that describe themselves one way, but do another in the heat of the moment, with some regretting it after the fact. If I understand your examples, there was nothing fiscally conservative about it and its been openly discussed as such in the past.
By Mr. Snerdley (121), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 7:13 PM
to Captn America:

An inventive rewrite of the Revolution with the Liberals now cast as Libertarian Conservatives. But should it not be the Loyalists, then, who are Tea Party Conservatives? After all, they are just trying to prevent the disintegration of the nation caused by the Libertarian Conservatives' demand for entitlements. The Indians would be Isolationist Conservatives intent on preventing the Libertarian Conservative from further interfering in their lives. And the slaves would ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 27, 13 11:35 PM
No HHS, the founders were Liberals by the definition of the time which differs greatly from today’s Liberal actions. “Liberal” was used in the sense of possessing virtue. It was not defined as having a particular set of political beliefs. Liberality (not liberalism) was the capacity to give of one’s own free will and to give with purpose and for the right end result. A liberal person of the time was open to reasoned argument always growing, not changeless and exclusive ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 2:50 PM
The Founders for the most part were Egalitarian.

They were AGAINST corporate power, which leads to abuse.

They were AGAINST "God on the throne".

They were AGAINST socioeconomic disparity.

They were AGAINST too much power, residing in too few hands.

They were AGAINST money in politics, and corporations being involved in politics.

They were AGAINST central banks.

They were AGAINST EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 28, 13 2:56 PM
Something, well, just for good measure:

“The challenge remains. On the other side are formidable forces: money, political power, the major media. On our side are the people of the world and a power greater than money or weapons: the truth.

Truth has a power of its own. Art has a power of its own. That age-old lesson – that everything we do matters – is the meaning of the people’s struggle here in the United States and everywhere. A poem can inspire a movement. ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 28, 13 3:07 PM
Have to agree with Z on this point. They were against all of this.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 13 7:53 PM
They were AGAINST EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME.

Exactly my point. We didn't get to the brink of economic collapse and bankruptcy because of conservative principles. We got here because of the lack of them.

I agree with the socioeconomic disparity claim if it entails protecting individual freedoms to help the poor by enabling economic productivity that creates more jobs. The founders would view the current focus on income-growth disparity as poisonous. The more government ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 9:39 PM
Well, at least we know we are quite similar, sans "labels".
Mar 2, 13 9:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
The divergence is how you see governent as an opponent. In current societal convention, there are "cops" and "robbers". Problem is that lately there's little, if any difference in our leadership between the former, and the latter..
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 1, 13 9:28 PM
CPAC invites the last four divers of the republican Klown Kar to speak at it's convention.
Yes,folks,CPAC has secured the wisdom of Mitt "47%" Romney.Sarah "I can see Russia from my house" Palin and Rick "Man On Dog" Santorum to addressi its annual convention.
Who did it snub in favor of these pillars of wisdom?
None other than the one republican with the highest approval rating in either party.New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
I guess the first C in CPAC stands for Crazy.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 6:58 AM
I have an idea. Let's take a portion of the $2.2 billion per year spent on the "phone program for the poor" and realign it to the Gabreski Tower.... Obama is within his authority to do that..... Save the Tower Tim and Barack. Save the Tower!!!
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 12:03 PM
More consevative lies peretrated by the right to misinform and deceive.
From factcheck.org-

"Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it. "

Beware of conservaitves lying.They do it ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 4:51 PM
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The post was made a little toungue in cheek Phil, but it you want to get technical, it’s a government program that subsidizes providers who supply telephone service to low income consumers. Point being partisan patty, it's a broken government mandated program and another example of the mentality that we can afford to give free everything to everybody. But since you brought party above country to the mix, it has exploded under Obama and is perceived to be an Obama driven program, aka Obama ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 8:55 AM
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Actually,no.You should do your research.
This is why I usually post the entire link to debunk your talking points-

From factcheck-

"SafeLink is run by a subsidiary of América Móvil, the world’s fourth largest wireless company in terms of subscribers, but it is not paid for directly by the company. Nor is it paid for with "tax payer money," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it is funded through the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 3:58 PM
$16,586,664,698,387

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!


By They call me (1076), southampton on Feb 27, 13 4:16 PM
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I told you my fan club follows me around.

They don't want to talk about creating jobs anymore,since the republicans abandoned helping anyone but corporations and the rich.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 6:30 PM
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Seems to me they have helped way to much already , The party is over time to pull your own weight
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 7:32 PM
No shinola Sherlock, try to follow along. It is in fact a government run program (FAA). It is in fact subsidized. The tongue in cheek part was ABOUT the "tax payer funding". I knew that when I posted the 2.2 billion comment – it was a shot geared at another crappy government run program, but kind of expected the kool-aid drinkers to swarm like locusts, and look who showed up, capiche?

I’m still waiting for your suggested program (funded by tax payers) that could be cut ...more
Feb 27, 13 7:41 PM appended by Captn America
Correction for Phil to save him the effort of a factcheck post, I meant FCC.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 7:41 PM
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Whats the problem? I thought you liked living in a collective where everything is equal and no one shines above the rest, so deal with it!
Or maybe you don't like someone always in your business like Cass Sunstein, Mayor Bloomberg! and Janet Nap.
This is what your hostile progressive movement to squelch the 10th amendment feels like. Socialism,Communism and Fascist movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to dear leader, and an emphasis ...more
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 7:56 PM
Cap that was a three pointer...
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Feb 27, 13 8:14 PM
Unfortunately a shot after the final buzzer ain't worth the energy expended.

Corporate fascism = Merry Ol' England = Present day Corporations

If you've been to a National Park, thank a Progressive. If you've eaten safe food, and drank clean water thank a Progressive. If your children don't work in sweatshops, thank a Progressive. If you are a woman and have the right to vote, thank a Progressive.

Your rants are an insult to those who model themselves after the Progressive ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 27, 13 8:29 PM
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Well that’s rather narcissistic sentiment… all things good we can thank a "progressive" for, they did all those great things all by themselves. Pure crap. That’s tantamount to saying if you have a job, thank a republican. Come on… that's the fear and garbage Obama is pedaling.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 10:14 PM
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How about this one... if you used to have a full-time job with health coverage you liked, but have been cut to 29 hours and lost your health care coverage, thank a progressive.

You won't be visiting National Parks, you can't afford to feed your family, and you probably don't care if the water is clean or dirty.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 27, 13 10:29 PM
A few of Teddy Roosevelt's accomplishments:

National Park System
Safe Food and Drug Act
Trust Busting

If you want to thank ANYONE for screwing the American People, you can thank Ronald Reagan for being a puppet of Donald Regan. You wouldn't know an honest to Providence Progressive if they walked up and explained to you how aristocracy and oligarchy have destroyed our Congress, our markets, and a good portion of the world. If America was more like Iceland, her roots would ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 28, 13 4:57 AM
Yup, there are only elite republicans.... according to the left. Those on the left are considered enlightened, and "superior" as HSS has noted.

Making any comparison of the US to Iceland which has a population of 320,000, is utterly ridiculous. As one of the wealthiest nations post WW II, they by leaps and bounds are able to sustain their economy even with universal health care and banking collapse the US experienced in 2008, due to the absense of variable the US does not have the ...more
Feb 28, 13 11:46 AM appended by Captn America
But I have to say, Iceland sounds like a wonderful place.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 11:46 AM
They jailed their bankers.

Apparently, we are too weak to do that...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 28, 13 2:58 PM
Yup, should have put the burden on the industry’s creditors rather than taxpayers.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 9:49 PM
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he could cut back on the food stamps or just ask his pal Ben to print him 87 biillion this month instead if of 85. Maybe he could pull 2 billion from the hundreds in billions in fees that taxpayers pay financial instituitions
By razza5350 (1554), East Hampton on Feb 26, 13 9:09 PM
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Journalist Bob Woodward blasts Obama "madness" in handling cuts

(Reuters) - Bob Woodward on Wednesday criticized Barack Obama's handling of the automatic U.S. budget cuts set to take effect this week, calling he's decision to hold back on military deployments "madness."

Or is it just plan old Barackathome narcissism…

Much like Hitler, Obama feels his supporters have failed him, by not affording him unilateral, imperial control in his second term…

They ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Feb 27, 13 9:00 PM
wow now this >
BOB WOODWARD: A 'Very Senior' White House Person Warned Me I'd 'Regret' What I'm Doing
Bob Woodward said this evening on CNN that a "very senior person" at the White House warned him that he would "regret doing this," the same day he has continued to slam President Barack Obama over the looming forced cuts known as the sequester.

CNN host Wolf Blitzer said that the network invited a White House official to debate Woodward on-air, but the White House declined.

"It ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Feb 27, 13 10:29 PM
UD, take 30 seconds a look at the e-mails. There was no threat whatsoever implied or inferred.
By But I'm a blank! (833), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 13 3:26 PM
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Media Turns Against Obama's Sequester Narrative

Over the past weeks, President Obama has been running around the country like Chicken Little spreading falsehoods about sequester, all in the hopes of blaming a 2% budget cut (which he proposed and signed into law) for an anemic economy that might be headed into a double-dip recession. Simply put, the White House and its media are pushing this fabricated Narrative in the hopes of shifting blame away from Obama's failed economic policies and ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Feb 28, 13 4:11 PM
How gullible is the right?
From TPM-


Conservatives Regret Taking Woodward’s ‘Threat’ Story Seriously
Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist's claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 7:38 PM
Ya well, when even Lanny Davis Agrees with Woodward your gonna have a rough time selling what your peddling there Champ.

Lanny Davis, who served under President Bill Clinton as special counsel to the White House, told Washington, D.C.'s WMAL this morning that the Obama White House had also threatened the Washington Times over his column, warning that the Times would suffer limited access to White House officials and might have its White House credentials revoked. Davis, a Democrat, is seldom ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Feb 28, 13 11:33 PM
Lanny Davis works for fox 'news'
Everybody knows that fox rots your brain.
nuff said.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 6:25 PM
A quick review of the fox news com Lanny Davis Archive will shoot that theory to hell. The guy is a first class POS and that is what makes his statement even more damaging to p@homes cause.

nuff said.

As you would say, Thanks for playing
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 1, 13 10:01 PM
to Capt'n America:

Your misstatement of Liberal philosophy is typical of muddled conservatives and further more in defense of Jay Sears...

To Funny
Feb 27, 13 8:16 PM appended by joe hampton
Since I only have one more week of vacation I am not even going to aggravate my self with a further response ...LOL
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Feb 27, 13 8:16 PM
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Let us know when you get here-we'll flush.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 7:27 PM
Leaving tomorrow ... Why not your already in there flushing the constitution down the toilet .
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 2, 13 5:12 PM
to joe hampton:

The Jay Sears case is clear evidence of the fraudulence of conservative claims to respect the Constitution. They would thoughtlessly trample on the 1st and 4th Amendments therein because they find them inconvenient. Were it the 2nd Amendment that was involved, on the other hand, there would be no end to their arguments to protect the suspect's rights. The simple fact is that conservatives look at the Constitution as if it were a buffet. Depending on their self-interest ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 28, 13 12:07 AM
Let me explain something to you. We have already established that you seem to consider this pedophiles pathological mendacious behavior of taking pictures of local children, cutting out there faces and pasting those faces in pornographic material a harmless perversion.
Make no mistake sir...if those pictures where of one of my children more than the 1ST and 4Th amendments would have been trampled...
and further more my "languor is none of your business is it.
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Feb 28, 13 11:54 AM
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Mr HHS I do not have the vocabulary you and Joe do, but I would say

You stuck you foot in your mouth and nothing is going to change that.We see you clearly now, and sunlight is the best disinfectant.

You should ask your therapists about your feelings on the Jay S. case.
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Feb 28, 13 4:17 PM
Actually, silver is the best disinfectant.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Feb 28, 13 4:26 PM
to joe hampton & Undocumented Democrat:

Thanks once again to conservative readers for chiming in reliably with concrete examples of the behavior to which my post refers:

Joe, we understand, if Constitutional guarantees stand in opposition to your own opinions (especially if viscerally held), you will disregard them.

Undocumented Democrat, your confabulation is only matched by your malice. Your opinions never are troubled by the absence of fact.

Cafeteria Constitutionalism ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Mar 1, 13 12:17 AM
"Liberals defend the Constitution"

What are you smoking?
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 13 12:52 AM
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to dnice:

You are startled? Why? After all, our guys wrote it.
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Feb 28, 13 1:05 PM
And "your guys" would be considered wayyyy to far right by the current regime
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Feb 28, 13 4:04 PM
Don't confuse true "Progressives", with "Liberals".

Carry on...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 1, 13 9:41 PM
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When OBAMA stops campaigning and sits down to negotiate a compromise can be made. Obama is not a leader and Timmy is clueless.
By kpjc (150), east quogue on Feb 28, 13 8:09 AM
Well Tim, the Senate did not pass legislation from the House that would have given Obama the flexibility to make sensible and strategic cuts. Democrats would instead prefer to back a plan for new tax revenue, which could not even pass the demorcat held senate. The plan was derailed after the CBO said it would increase the defecit by 7.2 billion over the next decade.

Save the Tower, Tim. Save the Tower!!!!
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Feb 28, 13 10:14 PM
The cowardly republicans refused to name any cuts they wanted to make,and even dodged closing loopholes that favor the rich and big corporations.They are trying to drop it in the presidents lap.It will backfire because the people voted for Obama's agenda.
The republicans prefferred to protect the yacht and plane owners,the people with big summer homes and corporate welfare.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 5:14 PM
yacht and plane owners,the people with big summer homes , You know the successful hardworking people that didn't build that!
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 6:52 PM
Why doesn't the right want to close loopholes anymore?
Those people need to pay their fair share without having loopholes to hide money in.
They're cheating the American people because they have special
rights.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 7:24 PM
They already pay too much Champ, so you can tell the other 51 1/2 percent that dose not pay any income tax and will soon receive free health care to stop mooching and get a second job like we did.
Mar 1, 13 9:19 PM appended by 27dan
Happy Warrior Andrew Breitbart's Legacy Lives On As the conservative movement moves forward, Andrew’s legacy lives on and serves as an example to us all. He provided us a unique joy as the ultimate happy warrior that we can all embrace. If there is anything the world should know and remember about Andrew, let history record that he was devoted to his family, to his beliefs, and to his country. He was fearless in everything he did
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 9:19 PM
Finally someone from the left is starting to fight back. Could Woodward become a conservative hero? The BIG question is why cant the GOP call out Obama on what Woodward suggested maybe should be a crime, The GOP has failed to call out many crimes and criminals recently.

Benghazi
Fast & Furious
Hagel
Lew
2nd amendment attacks

By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 1, 13 6:27 PM
all manufactured outrage from the right.
\That's why the republican party is dying and ony 22% of Americans identify themselves as republicans.
The crazy bigots from the tea party are to thank for it.They're making the republican party irrevelent.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 1, 13 7:21 PM
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Manufactured outrage? You got some nerve minimizing the murder and cover up of an ambassador and staff not to mention the murder of Boder Patrol Agent Brian Terry through an Obama program to put guns in the hands of the drug cartels. I suppose someone has to be outraged, because it certainly isn't Obama and his sheepish flock of followers. I hear Obama isn't a dictator, he told us so (again).
Mar 2, 13 12:53 PM appended by Captn America
Now the anti Constitution Nazi's are coming after the standard shotgun, yeah, real manufactured.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 12:53 PM
blah blah blah Phil
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 13 4:26 PM
Manufactured outrage.
The only ones crying about it are the teabaggers.
You guys,who depend on fox (news?),Breitbart and Rush Limbaugh to supply you with your latest Obama Derangement talking points.
The MSM won't waste it's time on your allegations-the only ones who listen are you yourselves.
If you listen carefully,you can hear the whole world laughing at you.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 6:32 PM
I'm sure that's very comforting Phil to the victims and their families. The only thing more silent than the 9/11/01 victims is the silence of the 9/11/12 victims who were murdered and injured in Benghazi and Obama and his lackies on the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry by guns supplied to drug cartels.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 6, 13 4:28 PM
Manufactured outrage.
Of course, captain jackboot has to pull the "I'm a better patriot than you" crap.
He does it all the time when he can't formulate a cogent response.
And "blah,blah,blah" is another intelligent response.
Babbling idiots.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 7:42 AM
Answer, we want answers, not executive privledge and stone walling to hide incompetence, failure in leadership and lack of accountability. The families of the victims deserve that.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:30 PM
“The worst-case scenario for "the moocher" is the sequester hits and nothing bad really happens.

Think about that it. That a government drowning in debt should cut back by 2.2 percent — and the country survives. That a government now borrowing 35 cents of every dollar it spends reduces that borrowing by two cents “and nothing bad really happens.” Oh, the humanity!

A normal citizen might think this a good thing. For reactionary liberalism, however, ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 1, 13 9:40 PM
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Yeah, even with the sequester we're still operating above last year levels. How did the Tower operate then, hmmmm Tim?
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 12:55 PM
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In the face of Obama's ongoing propaganda campaign to blame his failed policies and faltering economy on what amounts to a 2% budget cut, we're seeing small pockets of excellent reporting on sequestration, and this includes the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler. Kessler's already exposed Obama's scare tactics as lies twice this week. Yesterday Kessler hit the trifecta with this report blowing a hole in Obama's lie about Capitol Hill janitors receiving pay cuts:
Here's President Obama during his ...more
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 2:51 PM
BHO and Phil want you to think the Sequester is crippling? What
is really crippling us is the 17 TRILLION dollar debt and a president that doesn't
know how to cut spending and grow jobs. We are up to our necks and not just us
but our children and grandchildren. Spending has to stop somewhere and I can't
see that the 85 billion in cuts is going to hurt us. But Obama will try his hardest to make sure that the cuts hurt and then try to blame everyone else.

Sequester was Obama's ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 2, 13 9:46 AM
Looks like the entire Gosse-step gang liked your comment-too bad you're wrong.

From Factcheck

"The ‘Obamaquester’
Posted on February 19, 2013
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The Line: “The president’s sequester.”

The Party: Republican


Editor’s note: This is the first of an occasional series called “Party Lines” that will highlight misleading ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 6:57 PM
Fascinating Phil, but that "response" has nothing to do with UD's post that Obama wants the public to think the sequester will be crippling. Obama's been racking up the pinochio's over his embellished claims, until he began to catch heat from the corrupt media over them, and he backed off. You know it's bad when the lap dog media even calls Obama on his claims.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 5:12 PM
Coming back to N Y tomorrow... I can smell it now.
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 2, 13 5:24 PM
I hope you have to wait 7 hour for your bagz cuz the Air Tower Closed
youp o s
By local 84 (170), riverhead on Mar 2, 13 5:37 PM
Local, you are no better than Phil. What a bunch of bitter, malcontents.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 13 11:20 PM
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By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 3, 13 5:18 AM
I see that the Tea Partiers are plagiarizing again. This time 27dan presents an unattributed encomium to the late Andrew Brietbart entitled, "Happy Warrior Andrew Bretibart's Legacy Lives On", neglecting to mention that it was penned by the sankapu-eyed Michele Bachmann on" breitbart.com".

If you don't know who Andrew Brietbart is, don't worry, the only people who do are those who read breitbart.com. He was a journeyman ideological zealot. His death, however, coming as it did a year ...more
Mar 3, 13 11:36 PM appended by highhatsize
Oops! For those of you who googled, "sanKapu", it should have been, "sanpaku".
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Mar 2, 13 11:36 PM
I think Bachmans nickname,bats*** crazy describes our teabag frkends quite well.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 3, 13 5:13 AM
As the Obama Administration spun nightmare scenarios over the impact of sequester cuts, it was revealed that Homeland Security had released from custody illegal immigrants who were charged with crimes. The White House said these actions were taken in expectation of the looming cuts, but dismissed concerns, saying just "a few hundred" criminals were released. The Associated Press, however, reported late Friday that 2,000 detainees had been released, with another 3,000 planned to be released this ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 3, 13 6:29 AM
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The Suffolk County-owned airport...., currently operates under “non tower” operations at night.

So let it close.
By lucy2 (63), Southampton, NY on Mar 3, 13 7:31 PM
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Under President Barack Obama, the national debt has grown by more than $6 trillion, the largest increase under any president in U.S. history.
According to the Treasury Department, the national public debt now stands at $16,687,289,180,215.37.

On the first day of Obama’s first term, the debt was $10.626 trillion.

Mar 3, 13 9:23 PM appended by joe hampton
JUST SAYING!
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 3, 13 9:23 PM
Just hearing ya!
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 13 11:07 PM
The result of adding 2 unfunded wars to the debt does wonders to increase the deficit.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 6:12 PM
Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner
Chinese general who threatened nuclear strike on U.S. visits Washington this week
Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu / du.edu
March 4, 2013 7:00 pm
A Chinese general who once threatened to use nuclear weapons against hundreds of U.S. cities will visit the Pentagon this week as part of a U.S.-China military exchange program. I guess since he practicly owns it he figures he owes him a tour. Nice going Barry

By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 8:09 PM
Here's the rough division of the debt. The numbers vary somewhat by source, and time of calculation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Intragovernmental Holdings - Just under one-third of the Federal debt is owed to about 230 other Federal agencies. How does this happen? Some agencies, like the Social Security Trust Fund, take in more revenue from taxes than they need right now. Rather than stick this cash under a giant mattress, these agencies buy U.S. Treasuries with it.

Which ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 4, 13 8:35 PM
If only the radical House Republicans would agree to eliminate the tax loopholes that allow GE, ExxonMobil and Koch Industries to avoid paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes, this crisis could be avoided.

It is stunning that any legislator would cost 750,000 Americans their jobs, and risk the recovery (or a double-dip recession) in order to save stupendously wealthy corporations the onus of actually bearing their statutory tax burden. Yet we have over a hundred of them running loose ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Mar 3, 13 11:55 PM
750k jobs lost seems light. House representative Maxine Waters puts the figure closer to 170 million jobs lost. Fire and brimstone. Doom and gloom. However I do agree that we need tax reform so hypocrites like warren Buffett and big Obama dinars like GE can pay there fair share of taxes.
By razza5350 (1554), East Hampton on Mar 4, 13 5:53 AM
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Why should the House put tax loopholes on the table? When sequester was devised it was intended to only address spending. Revenue was never intended to be part of the discussion to address deficit targets as sequester was a by product of the debt ceiling discussion.
Mar 4, 13 8:27 AM appended by Captn America
Not to mention, the Democrat Senate voted down both a Democratic bill, which called for alternate spending cuts and tax increases on the wealthy to replace the sequester, and a Republican bill, which required President Obama to propose alternative cuts without also raising taxes. There isn't even agreement among Democratic ranks on revenue increases.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 8:27 AM
The republicans won't identify the loopholes they would close;if they are the ones in the Ryan plan,they would cut taxes for the rich and not offer any help for lower earners at all.
The people voted for a balanced approach-increased revenue and cuts. The president offered cuts but the republicans won't agree to them.They insist on playing the obstruction game they've played for the last four years.
The republicans won't negotiate in good faith,as usual.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 3:31 PM
That because we are not interested in closing any more loopholes. It's about spending cuts this time around clown... no obstruction... no new taxes. Just CUTS CUTS CUTS.

Gallup has consistently recorded Obama's job approval rating at or above fifty-percent. Since Friday, though, the three-day average dipped to a startling 46%.

Better say uncle fast Barry
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 4, 13 4:22 PM
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It was what Romney ran on.Wasn't that a big part of the Ryan budget? Sounds like the republicans did a flip-flop on loopholes.
No wonder the republican party is falling apart-they have no idea what they stand for.

I don't put much stock in Gallup-after all,they predicted that Romney would win by a landslide.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 6:07 PM
Of course,you can prove that.
Not that the republicans haven't beEn trying to suppress the voting rights of anyone,right?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 5, 13 10:51 AM
Only those not legally entitled to vote.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 5, 13 4:31 PM
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Like I said,you can prove that-unlike the other statements you made.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 6, 13 6:13 PM
Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 6, 13 10:42 PM
Barry has done everything in His power to avoid having to lead! Blame and deflect, blame and deflect.
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 4, 13 3:23 PM
Well, at least you're familiar with how at least four-fifths of D.C. plays their game, all the while collecting their pay.

It's quite sad, really...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 4, 13 8:32 PM
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By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 4, 13 4:30 PM
Just finished reading Neil Barofsky's "Bailout" the second time.

I think it warrants a third time through. I found it to be a shining light on D.C. politics, dysfunction, and the psychological games people play.

"Here [in D.C.] ruining people is considered sport."

~ Vince Foster
Mar 4, 13 7:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Barofsky left SIGTARP in early 2011. He's teaching at NYU now and after writing this book, essentially unemployable in Washington. That sucks for him, but the benefit for the rest of us is this trippily entertaining account of how crazy Washington is. If you follow issues like Too-Big-To-Fail or Wall Street corruption long enough, you realize that the reason things don't get done about them by our government has very little to do with ideology or even politics, in the way most of us understand politics. Instead, it's a bizarre, almost tribal mentality that rules our capital city – a kind of groupthink that makes extreme myopia and a willingness to ignore the tribe's ostensible connection to the people who elected them a condition for social advancement within. Most normal people don't get to see what that place is like, because most of the rearview-mirror accounts of that world are written by people who somewhere along the line became infected by the Beltway disease. Only a few true outsiders make it out alive, and only a few of those write books. This is one of the best. ~ Matt Taibbi
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 4, 13 7:08 PM
Auditing the books of certain interests would most likely be quite entertaining. Gabreski expenditures would most likely be a small one act play in an elementary school auditorium.

However, if that private company were subsidized by government funding, I'm sure the numbers would get real interesting, real quick...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 4, 13 8:54 PM
Well dont you think we should find out
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 4, 13 11:36 PM
Obama's plan for the economy and the country.... Blame it forward...

He's greasing us for the continued lack luster economy... from his press conference Friday... "growth cut by over one-half of 1 percent...750,000 fewer jobs...every time that we get a piece of economic news, over the next month, next two months, next six months, as long as the sequester is in place, we’ll know that that economic news could have been better if Congress had not failed to act.....It’s happening ...more
Mar 4, 13 7:42 PM appended by Captn America
....And what exactly is a Jedi mind-meld??? Probably available in all 57 states...
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 7:42 PM
These are not the droids your looking for
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 4, 13 8:06 PM
"Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic. TO DEMOCRACY!"

~ Obi Wan Kenobi

"That green-blooded son of a *****! It's his revenge for all those arguments he lost."

~ Leonard "Bones" McCoy
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 4, 13 8:11 PM
If it cost the Feds 5M per year to run Gabreski Tower, a private company could run it for 500G.

I Second that premise good insight Fairwind!

Indeed!
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 4, 13 8:54 PM
The whole sequester scenario shows that the Demokratz, led by the Almighty Barak are incapable of cutting anything from the bloated federal system. There was a proposal on the table that would have let the Almighty Barak decide where the cuts would be made, a real leader would have taken that deal. The way it's played out allows the Demokratz and the Almighty Barak to blame the whole thing on the loyal opposition. Absolutely pitiful. We're saddled with a narcissistic figurehead who's apparently ...more
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 5, 13 8:06 AM
Show us someone in Washington who isn't a narcissist.

The list is shorter...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 5, 13 6:32 PM
Don't expect to see this reported on this evening's news.

An internal government email sent Monday instructed an official with a subdivision of the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make sure that sequester-related cuts inflict as much pain as possible to make sure “you are not contradicting what we said the impact would be.”

When Charles Brown of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service asked “if there was any latitude” in how officials might allocate ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 5, 13 4:53 PM
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Yes, the 2014 elections are just around the corner and the transformation of the country must continue - full speed ahead! Blame it forward and on the republicans, inflict maximum pain on the public and take no accountability for lack of leadership. Instead, stay in campaign mode and divide the country so that maximum political gain can be attained via political party over country.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 5, 13 6:16 PM
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It ought to be closed. One time I was flying to WH, I radioed the tower, I woke him up. Completely un-necessary for a full time controller. Maybe have one on Friday night & Sunday afternoon, MD-LD. EH has never have acontroller, it is very safe.
By tim2011 (5), southampton on Mar 5, 13 5:03 PM
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$16,663,246,873,747

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!


By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 5, 13 6:18 PM
The interest payments are just short of unmanageable.

It's over.

The market just hasn't figured out that the dollar is done yet.

Much like the Denarius, Peso, Deutschemark, Chinese "Flying Money", Baht, Continental, Krone, Marrka, Assignats, Francs, Livres, Lire...
Mar 5, 13 6:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
Escuda, Pengo, Kwanza, Sol, Inti, Dinar...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 5, 13 6:41 PM
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B F said "The whole sequester scenario shows that the Democrats, led by the Almighty Barak are incapable of cutting anything from the bloated federal system"

Joe said "That because we are not interested in closing any more loopholes. It's about spending cuts this time around clown... no obstruction... no new taxes. Just CUTS CUTS CUTS"

I say, Now we are getting somewhere!

The senate must pass a budget now!
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 5, 13 6:42 PM
I vote that if they don't get something accomplished, we strip them of their benefits, put them on Medicaid (just to see how well they like it), and pay them the United States per capita income per annum. $42,000.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 5, 13 8:57 PM
Do you really believe there are no loopholes worth closing? Sounds like "Eyes Wide Shut".
By VOS (623), WHB on Mar 6, 13 2:59 PM
Tax revenues are now at 30 year record high levels with the top 10 percent bearing 75 percent of the income tax burden and 48 percent paying nothing and in some cases, getting refunds for tax they never paid. We also have spending at record levels with no meaningful cuts taking place or even being discussed.

Seems the focus should now be on reducing spending.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 6, 13 4:21 PM
Politifact looked at this claim,which was put forth by House majority whip Kevin McCarthy and found it to be mostly false.

"Kevin McCarthy says federal government has more revenue now than ‘any other time’

Share this story:
There’s no need to raise taxes as part of reducing the nation’s deficit, says House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy.

Broad, blunt spending cuts known as the sequester go into effect March 1 unless Congress steps in. Democrats ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 2:53 PM
You're a slippery one. Let's be clear, politifact looked specifically at McCarthy's statement. You conveniently stopped at the ruling which states "Starting in 2015, reputable projections show revenue rising to 19.1 percent of GDP, up from an average of 17.9 over the last four decades. But McCarthy’s wrong to say that there’s more money coming in than at any other time." They dinged him for "at any other time." Bottomline: The revenue gap has been largely closed. How about closing ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 4:30 PM
According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal tax revenue will hit $2.7 trillion in 2013, the highest number ever.

The only reason tax revenues as a percent of GDP isn't higher is because people earn less taxable income during recessions and government spending is at record levels.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 4:41 PM
We have a revenue problem.The right doesn't want to pay for what it bought.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:07 PM
We have a spending problem that both parties have bought.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:27 PM
Has by now everyone knows Venezuelan Dictator Hugo Chavez, died earlier today.

My condolences Phil this must be a difficult time for you.
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 5, 13 10:23 PM
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The late President of Venezuela saw the United States as "imperialist".

Imagine that...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 6, 13 6:25 AM
You'll give a great eulogy Z.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 6, 13 12:15 PM
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The late Hugo Chavez was a pizz ant socialist dictator. From his perspective most of the world was "imperialist" Komrade!
As to your post about putting the Senate on Medicaid and paying them 42K per year if they don't pass a budget: I agree wholeheartedly!!! How about stopping ALL payment and benefits if they fail to uphold their sworn constitutional duties?
The Senate is a great example of why there should be term limits. IMHO a citizen shoule be allowed to serve 2 terms in Federal ...more
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 6, 13 8:13 AM
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We can't, but obviously they have.

Eliminate coporate money in politics, and that will solve at least 70% of the problem. Eliminate ANY coroporate invlovement in civic life, considering it's one of the principles this country was FOUNDED UPON, and you'll see this B.S. start to clean up real quick.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 6, 13 7:38 PM
I would trade off eliminating any corporate involvement in civic life for the same elimination of any federal government interference.

Bet you wouldn't

it's the other principle this country was FOUNDED UPON... but you seem to be willing to over look that most of the time
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 6, 13 8:33 PM
That's where you come up short on education.

The Articles of Confederation were done away with, and replaced by the Constitution and Bill of Rights because a strong central government was required to align the states, and promote unity. Under the Articles each state was printing it's own currency, brokering their own deals with foreign powers, and the fledgling United States was in complete disarray. The idiotic narrative spewed by "the right" that the Founders feared government is totally ...more
Mar 6, 13 9:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
"I hope we shall take warning from the example [Merry Ol' England] and crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country." ~ Thomas Jefferson
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 6, 13 9:35 PM
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Translation he would not
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 6, 13 11:41 PM
There is a distinct, and marked difference between freedom, and anarchy.

We're where we are, because there are/have been too many who are so willfully blind, they can't tell the difference.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 25, 13 9:22 PM
Reuters: Obama Job Approval Plummets to 43%

Being caught lying again and again and again is never a good thing for a U.S. president. A number of recent polls have proven that point, and the point that Obama was not able to get away with dishonestly blaming sequester on the GOP. A poll from Reuters released today brings even worse news. President Chicken Little's approval rating has collapsed to 43%; a drop of seven points since February 19.
The Reuters poll also shows that Obama and ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 6, 13 2:20 PM
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Wheres the media hiding on this - Senator Rand Paul has drawn a line in the sand with his filibuster. He will stop if and when Barack Obama or Eric Holder clarify the White House drone policy regarding regarding the targeting of American citizens on American soil.
its Hour 7 I am watching it on C SPAN started at 11:47 says he will speak until he gets an answer or can speak no longer "Wont let Obama shred the constitution.
Bravo Mr. Paul... Call the networks tell them we want coverage NOW
Mar 6, 13 6:21 PM appended by joe hampton
Hour 11 on Paul Filibuster White House Still Silent has no answers
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 6, 13 6:21 PM
Nice to see that you people are acknowledging that Obama's spending is lower than any other president in the last 30 years.
That is illustrated by the shortest bar on the graph I posted.
The longest bar on that graph-actually, the five longest bars on that graph-are all republicans who drove spending up in their terms.
Reagan drove it up the most.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 7:36 AM
On Wednesday, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) served notice to both the Republican establishment and to the Democrat-Media Complex: conservatism isn’t gone. It’s not even on vacation. The new wave of conservatives is here, and they know how to play the game.
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 7, 13 7:40 AM
The problem is that the right thinks this is a game.
and the sheeple who follow them agree.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 7:44 AM
The problem is the left thinks that's the problem.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 8:05 AM
$16,665,946,899,445

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!


By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 7, 13 7:46 AM
Why haven't the demokratz passed a budget Phil?
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 7, 13 9:56 AM
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Because the republicans haven't proposed anything worth voting on.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 2:23 PM
Not even close. It's because Obama hasn't submitted anything worth approving. It's why the Senate hasn't even approved any of Obama's plans. They were so bad even the radical left senate couldn't stomach them. A president's proposed budget should contain detailed information on spending and revenue proposals, along with policy proposals and initiatives with significant budgetary implications. But that would then mean Obama would be governing rather than campaigning which means he'd be held ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 4:54 PM
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Like I said,all the republicans proposed was to reduce medicare to a voucher system and destroy programs for the young and the poor.
They haven't put up anything worth voting on,since, according to the constitution, budgets originate in the House of Representatives.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 6:52 PM
Oh, like you said... that changes everything - NOT. Spending bills originate in the House, different animal, different stage in the process. The way the budget process works, the president sends his budget vision to Congress and both the House and Senate through committe hack away at it. Once it is agreed upon in committee, it is then voted on as “appropriations,” or spending bills. Obama's "vision" could not even pass his own party in the Senate to become discussion for committee. ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 8:51 AM
Sen. Rand Paul's filibuster against the confirmation of CIA Director and "drone czar" John Brennan offers a "teachable moment" to the media and the left about the Tea Party. As they seethe in outrage and confusion that it took a Republican to question the constitutionality of drone attacks, it is important to remind our friends on the other side that it wasn't just any Republican, but a--gasp!--Tea Party Republican who spoke "truth to power."
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 3:58 PM
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Sen. Rand Paul declared victory Thursday after Attorney General Eric Holder assured him that the president cannot use a drone to kill a noncombatant American on U.S. soil -- an assurance Paul had sought during his 13-hour filibuster the day before.

"Hooray!" Paul responded when the letter was read to him for the first time during an interview with Fox News. "For 13 hours yesterday, we asked him that question, so there is a result and a victory. Under duress and under public humiliation, ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 7, 13 6:11 PM
Rand Paul is the perfect representative for the far right.
He's a nut.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 9:24 PM
It takes crazy to combat crazy. Water boarding according to the crazy left - unconstitutional and torture. Drone strike on American soil - constitutional. 13 hours in actual fillibuster desearves respect and props. The real difference is one side places no value on the Constitution and the other values it immensely. Democrats got called on it, and they bent to the pressure. That's good government. Kudos to Rand Paul.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 9:00 AM
That's show biz.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 9:15 AM
Call it what ever you like. It got results and served to hold our elected leaders accountable for their policy decisions. Crazy? I think not. Brilliant, perhaps.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:34 PM
his was a great thing to watch still laughing

The. Greatest. Thing. In. The. World. just happened on CNN.

On her morning show, the outgoing Soledad O'Brien was all set to rip into Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes for describing President Obama as "lazy" in an upcoming biography. The quote in question was published yesterday in an exclusive excerpt given to Vanity Fair.

If past is prologue, there's little doubt O'Brien intended to bring race into the discussion. But O'Brien ...more
Mar 7, 13 6:15 PM appended by joe hampton
I JUST CANT GET ENOUGH OF SOLEDAD MAKING AN AZZ OUT OF HERSELF... ITS THE BEST THING I SEEN SINCE I LEFT THE BEACH
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 7, 13 6:15 PM
He called the president lazy.Obviously a racist reference.No wonder you liked it.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 6:56 PM
But Obama is clean and articulate.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 9:03 AM
In his assertion that Roger Ailes calling Obama "lazy" is racist, apparently, Al Shapton is unaware Roger Ailes was quoting from the president directly. During a Barbara Walters interview, Obama said he feels a laziness in himself that he attributes to his laid back upbringing in Hawaii.

Seems you and Al sharpie are the only ones that don't get it !

I dont quite understand what your trying to get at ?
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 7, 13 8:41 PM
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Context is everything.

"The comment about Obama was reportedly made during last year's presidential primary season as Ailes was briefed about Democratic operative Hilary Rosen's remark that Ann Romney had never worked a day in her life.

Advertise | AdChoices“Obama’s the one who never worked a day in his life. He never earned a penny that wasn’t public money. How many fund-raisers does he attend every week? How often does he play basketball and golf? I wish I had ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 9:20 PM
Cut and Paste much
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 8, 13 8:33 AM
Yes, whenever I have to correct you.
Which means all the time.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 8:38 AM
Hey Phil, YOU and YOU alone brought race into the issue by saying that lazy and African American are synonomous. Classic liberal racebaiting. You disgust me !
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 8, 13 9:13 AM
No, that's what Ailes implied with his comment. Now you're defending him.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 10:53 AM
I know I'm defending Ailes!


When Al Sharpton yells "dog whistle" its because he is the only one who heard it
Mar 8, 13 2:08 PM appended by 27dan
And yes, Disgust is the proper word we all feel.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 2:08 PM
Imagine how much better it would be if the republicans at least cooperated, even if they won't participate.



The U.S. economy added 236,000 jobs in February, according to a Labor Department report released Friday. That's much stronger growth than in January, when employers hired a revised 119,000 workers.

The gains were broad-based as offices, restaurants, construction firms and hospitals all added jobs.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate dipped to 7.7%, as 12 ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 6:17 PM
Lets see now hymmm... who was it that said "Context is everything" do you remember UD how bout you Cap?
Context is everything .. at least when it come to reporting, But when it comes to protecting BHO and his failed economic policies, the media willfully lies by omission to manufacture a reality in which Obama's policies have succeeded. Check out this piece comparing Obama's "recovery" to Reagan's recovery, compleate with added historical "context".
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 8, 13 9:38 PM
36 months of private sector job growth,unemployment at 2008 levels for the first time in 5 years,stock market at record highs....
that's what you're calling socialism.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 5:35 AM
You can't separate fiction from reality too well can you Phil? 6 trillion to move unemployment .01%, it was projected to be in the 5.6% range, and in true Obama fashion straddling both sides of the fence, with the caveat the projection is subject to "significant margins of error," and "considerable uncertainty." Now convenient. The real unemployment rate is in the teens for most demographics. And now you think Obama has a hand in the stock market upswing too, which is artifical fed by the printing ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 12:13 PM
36 months of private sector job growth,unemployment at 2008 levels for the first time in 5 years,stock market at record highs....
that's what you're calling socialism.


By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 1:46 PM
And 6 trillion in the hole and still no improvment.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 2:09 PM
The indispensible Jim Pethokoukis delivers important "context" by reporting on numbers released today which the media is covering up
The labor force participation rate fell again as potential workers stopped looking for work. …If the LFP rate was where it was in January 2009, the unemployment rate would be 10.8%. …
The share of the unemployed out of work for 27 weeks or longer increased to 40.2% from 38.1% in January.
The employment-population ratio is exactly where it was ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 8, 13 9:39 PM
The fact is that the republicans haven't done anything to help,and that's what you support.Lazyness.
Do nothing-yet things are improving.
Talk about lazy.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 5:37 AM
Reagan expanded the workforce and still lowered the unemployment rate. Obama, however, has seen the unemployment rate artificially drop due to a shrinking workforce. For instance, the unemployment rate dropped last month to 7.7%, that is due to 135,000 leaving the workforce.

It's just fact that if the labor force was as large today as when Obama took office, we would be looking at an unemployment rate closer to 11%.

The great trick BHO's media is playing right now is the manufacturing ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 9, 13 6:37 AM
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Reagan hired thousands of government workers,unlike the present republican party that has laid off 750,000 government workers since the republican-run states have attacked public service unions.
The republicans are costing us jobs.
Jobs they said were their first priority-(after making Obama a one-term president.How did that work out for you guys?)

235,000 private sector jobs created.Without the help of the republicans.Unemployment back to 2008 levels.Syock market hitting record ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 6:42 PM
... and Reagan at the same time reduced taxes to stimulate the economy. Clinton reduced the number of federal employees, but he had the benefit of a booming economy fed by the tech boom. The left wants to expand government AND the size of government. Big government doesn't necessarily hinge on the number of federal employees. We've spent 6 trillion dollars to decrease unemployment .01 percent, now 7.7%. It was predicted to be in the 5% range with stimulus, which BTW, we now spend annually. ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 12:01 PM
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Reagan wasn't facing the economic mess that Obama is facing,and Bush 43 slashed taxes and ended up tanking the economy.
What you're proposing is austerity,which isn't working anywhere (except Estonia) and is a failed economic policy.
During the depression FDR increasede government spending to help us fight the depression,but in 1937 began an austerity program after pressure from republicans-and drove us into a double dip recession.You can use all of the Hannity/Limbaugh/fox talking points ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 1:39 PM
Reagan certianly did face similar economic circumstances, and in many respects, it was worse. Austerity... a liberal dog whistle buzz word intended to invoke fear. But sure, why not austerity? If interest rates should rise, our debt is going to explode even more, and creditors are going to run for the hills, and if the country didn't already have enough problems, that would sink us for certain. Thanks to Obama, our credit rating is already on shakey ground.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 2:16 PM
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$16,670,946,899,445

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!


By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 10, 13 12:17 AM
For most of his first term... Obama successfully sold a line to the public that economists will tell you is intellectual snake oil. He managed to blame our historically slow economy almost entirely on President George W. Bush. Polls taken right after the 2012 election showed that one of Mitt Romney’s biggest failures... and the GOP presidential candidate had staked almost everything on this point...was persuading U.S. voters otherwise.

But this week’s dramatic economic news, ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 10, 13 11:48 AM
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It is Bush's fault.
All of it.
2 wars on a credit card for future generations to pay for and 2 tax cuts during wartime.
If you want to live like a republican,vote democrat.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 1:42 PM
Obama owns the economy regardless that he made it a point to go on the record to blame any future economic downturns on the sequester. Obama now owns it.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 2:24 PM
Nope.it's almost all Bush's and the republicans.We were lied into war,which was put on a credit card until Obama added it to the debt.Not to mention 2 tax cuts during wartime-something that was never done before.
You can tell your followers here and whichever Kool-Aid drinkers who will listen;the republicans have been driving us toward deficit spending since Reagan.Only fools beleive that they are the party of "fiscal responsiblility".
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 3:53 PM
Bush did not lie, the world intelligence committee agreed Sadaam was close to nukes. Obama did not add it to the debt. It was a change in accounting policy for handling emergency supplemental funding which was SOP. Obama had NOTHING to do with changing that. Say what you want about republicans driving us to the brink - many on the right will agree with you. FACT is, OBAMA is driving us over the debt cliff leaving a trail of broken campaign promises for the same irresponsibile spending that ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:30 AM
Bush lied.
everyone knows it.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:03 PM
Now, I have a business to run... play time is over. So stop bothering me with your BHO utopia fantasy and let me enjoy the rest of the weekend.Tomorrow is Monday and the Citiots will be here soon.
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 10, 13 11:53 AM
The ones coming to this "progressive toilet" that you described for us in the past?
Do they know what you think of them?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 1:43 PM
It is an environment that is friendly to the progressive mind set in the summer. I would imagine born mostly out guilt like the kind Z is trying to supplant in the post below and cocktail party per pressure.and why would I care what they think of my polotics...what I have with them is a business arrangement.I do my job excellent they pay me money... no more no less. I would not want to hang out with these people after work any more than I would want to hang out with you.
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 11, 13 11:48 AM
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And, there's the "class envy" card right on cue.

Google OccupyGeorge to see where your wealth has been redistributed since the '60's. It's pictures, so it will be easy to "get"...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 12, 13 9:51 PM
In his weekly address, obama said that businesses have created jobs every month for three years straight - nearly 6.4 million altogether, and have added 246,000 new jobs in February. We must keep this momentum going, and that's why the President recently met with Republican leaders to discuss how we can replace the harmful, arbitrary budget cuts, called the "sequester," with balanced deficit reduction.

I am still amazed at how he can spout these lies with a straight face
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 2:31 PM
Where are your "facts" disproving it?All you do is whine like a little child.You never back up your vitriol.Another right wing crybaby
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 10, 13 6:12 PM
Fact check, Obama's inflated job claims. Over his term private-sector jobs have gone up something around 967,000 and change noted in October 2012 - a far cry from his 6.4 million claims. Other factcheck stats from October 2012 show food stamp recipients up 46%, household income down 5%, persons in poverty up 6.4 million, hand gun production up 68%, and some good numbers as well (other than the hand gun production).
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 8:59 PM
Is that from the republican jobs plan?

Oh,that's right-the republicans abandoned jobs a long time ago.They weren't participating anyway,but they still send their lackeys out to make vitriolic posts against the President.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 4:17 PM
Way to stay on the topic at hand. You wanted facts, you got facts.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:23 AM
A fellow alum sent this along to me. Thought I'd share:

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

~ John Kenneth Galbraith
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 10, 13 7:00 PM
If you mean we expect to keep the fruit of our labor... no exercises or explanation should be necessary good man. I live a clean life work hard and help people when I SEE THE NEED. I do not apologize for resisting you or anyone else redistributing what I have earned for what you see the need. Enjoy the rest of the day.
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 11, 13 11:54 AM
I find it an interesting psychological foray as to how you took that so personally.

You are not the "elite", or the "aristocracy" to which the context of the statement alluded to.

Oh, wait, that's right. You have probably never read Galbraith...

"People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage."

~ John Kenneth Galbraith
Mar 11, 13 8:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 11, 13 8:58 PM
OH, and if you want to see how wealth has been redistributed in this country:

Google OccupyGeorge
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 11, 13 9:57 PM
Nicely said Mr Hampton,
I can cut through the crap and sum this all up in a few short sentences:
It is MY responsibility to market my labor and to make that labor more valuable through self improvement, targeted education and a full understanding of the market that I choose to work in. It is MY responsibility to make myself more valuable than my competition and to negotiate a pay package that is mutually beneficial to myself and my employer.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 12:02 PM
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Employers are purchasing your labor...they owe you NOTHING. It is this "reverse" attitude to the above that has been ingrained in our youth by the progressives and that result is what you see, currently, in the workplace.

PS. I don't need a union to market my labor...I can speak for myself.

By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 12:02 PM
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Hah! Welcome to the middle ages, 27dan. Paid indentured servitude, eh? If every employer had your attitude, they'd never be able to maintain staff.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 12:25 PM
Its called a free-market economy why does that scare you guys so much.
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 11, 13 2:03 PM
Obviously dan has never worked for a major corporation.

And more so, he doesn't even know how many of his fellow Americans do just that, and get nothing more for it.

@ UD: There is no true "free market". Just the propaganda machine that has repeated the lie so often too many fools actually believe it. After you've finished Barofsky's firsthand account of the economic meltdown, get back to us...
Mar 11, 13 8:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
The big reason I enjoyed "A History of Greed: Financial Fraud from Tulip Mania to Bernie Madoff ". Courtesy of Wiki: In A Short History of Financial Euphoria (1994), he traces speculative bubbles through several centuries, and argues that they are inherent in the free market system because of "mass psychology" and the "vested interest in error that accompanies speculative euphoria." Also, financial memory is "notoriously short": what currently seems to be a "new financial instrument" is inevitably nothing of the sort. Galbraith cautions: "The world of finance hails the invention of the wheel over and over again, often in a slightly more unstable version." Crucial to his analysis is the assertion that the common factor in boom-and-bust is the creation of debt to finance speculation, which "becomes dangerously out of scale in relation to the underlying means of payment." The financial crisis of 2008, which took many economists by surprise, seemed to confirm many of Galbraith's theses.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 11, 13 8:53 PM
I have trouble understanding most of the arguments that come from the liberal left. I finally figured out why. The general principles of the liberal left agenda exist in the absence of personal responsibility. They simply will not and cannot admit that people are responsible for their own actions. If they do, the agenda begins to crumble. The entire foundation rests on completely ignoring personal responsibility and the consequences of one’s own choices.

Let’s take a few simple ...more
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 9:34 PM
to 27dan:

You post illustrates the psycopathy that is at the core of conservative ideology, manifesting an utter lack of compassion for any class other than your own.

Your solipsistic, selfish tunnel vision renders you unable to analyze events on any basis other than if they are a hindrance to your acquisitiveness (and, ergo, are "bad") or if they enable it.

You trumpet "personal responsibility" when what you really mean is "Don't touch my money!"

It is refreshing, ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 12:14 AM
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MEOW
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 9:04 AM
If every employee had his attitude we would not be in this mess.

Nothing is for nothing and the rubber will hit the road peoplefirst and you will live long enough to see it
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 11, 13 1:54 PM
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A state judge today put a cork in City Hall's plans to ban Big Apple restaurants and other venues from selling large sugary drinks -- a bubble-bursting defeat for Mayor Bloomberg,

Score one for freedom of choice, Loser!
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 11, 13 8:14 PM
When 32-ounce soft drinks are outlawed, only outlaws will have 32-ounce soft drinks
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 11, 13 8:22 PM
A little less pseudo intellectual babble and some more time in the real world (private sector) would do you a world of good Z.
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 12, 13 4:08 PM
I concur , After all its you who seems to think you belong to some "elite", or the "aristocracy"
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 12, 13 5:02 PM
Nope.

You just have a serious POVP.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 13, 13 4:56 AM
you got me on that one... Point of veiw ?
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 13, 13 9:25 AM
Here's something from the "real world" for you. As the revolving door spins:

After Watering Down Financial Reform, Ex-Senator Scott Brown Joins Goldman Sachs’ Lobbying Firm


Someday the lot of you just may wake up to discover the "real world", but I ain't holdin' my breath. Google: OccupyGeorge ...
Mar 12, 13 6:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
Food fraud in America: What are you really eating? ~~~~ Rhode Island Rep. Joseph McNamara is currently trying to pass legislation that would make fried squid the official state appetizer. Since Rhode Island is the squid capital of the world – hey, they have to be good at something – chances are the fried rings served there are exactly what they claim to be. Elsewhere, however, they may be serving you deep fried pig anus and calling it calamari. (Yes, pig anus, a.k.a "bung")
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 12, 13 6:58 PM
More news from the "real world". You'll REALLY love the second part regarding Iran-Contra. Corruption, fraud, and dirty deals. Welcome to the real world. It ain't changed in over 5,000 years, just the scenery has.


Shocking New Evidence Reveals Depths of 'Treason' and 'Treachery' of Watergate and Iran-Contra


New evidence continues to accumulate showing how Official Washington got key elements of two major presidential scandals of the Nixon and Reagan administrations ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 12, 13 7:20 PM
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Why don't you put some energy into something a little more current like Fast & Furious or Benghazi Gate, Very telling
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 9:07 PM
It gets easier to find buried documents and communiques as time passes.

It's tough on those two issues because they are so recent, but there are people out there like Assange, and others who give people who choose to come forward a "forum" of sorts. Often time is the only thing on your side with BS like this.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 12, 13 9:24 PM
Saint Ronnie was corrupt.What a shock.
The far right still wants to bring down the current president-we know why.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 5:37 AM
Because his policies suck and he wants to transform the greatest nation God could ever envision? A nation that he professes is great when it conveniently fits into a speech narrative, but the question remains and has yet to be asked by the corrupt media... transform it into what Mr. President?
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:21 AM
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obamas approval drops as Americans take a dimmer view of his economic policies
The Wash Post: Wednesday, March 13, 12:08 AM
The afterglow of obama’s reelection and inauguration appears to have vanished as increasingly negative views among Americans about his stewardship of the economy have forced his public approval rating back down below the 50 percent mark, according to a new Wash Post-ABC News poll.

By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 9:16 AM
No,cappie-we know the real reason.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 5:00 AM
Is it the same reason why you don't like Herman Cain or Ben Carson?
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 6:42 PM
You guys are a couple of freaking geniuses, Since you started showing Philly what it is like to live in a collective he has not been such a pest, what a pleasure. Its like some sort of bug spray! LOL
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 12, 13 9:15 PM
Hey Phil wake up the leaders in the democratic party feel the same way about you as the Republican party leaders. They don't know you and don't care about you. They are both worried about themselves and their money.
By chief1 (1372), southampton on Mar 13, 13 12:30 AM
Does my fan club miss me?


I'll just let Z show you people to be fools for a while.
Or you can continue doing it yourselves.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 5:34 AM
The narcissist sees himself as the center of the universe and seeks attention above all else. It does not matter if it is negative attention. He has a need to stand out in a crowd. Once you take away the spotlight and diffuse his presence the subject usually loses interest quickly.
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:42 AM
TCM, I think even Mr.Z would agree it has been an interesting little experiment and you have shown a result. I would bet after reading this P@H will be back with a vengeance to prove otherwise. LOL

By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 13, 13 9:01 AM
Sniker
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 13, 13 9:23 AM
I make one post and you people come out of the woodwork.
Like cockroaches.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 6:26 PM
Of course I'll be here.
Somebody has to debunk you liars.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 4:52 AM
Demoted: MSNBC Boots Schultz to Weekends
Wed. night, Little Eddie Schultz announced that his The Ed Show would be moving from weeknights to weekends. It will now only be on Saturday and Sunday, 5-7 PM. The garbage show has always struggled to find its audience, bouncing around the dial since its debut in April 2009.

Lets get to work ! LOL
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 14, 13 11:15 AM
Just saw that azz Grayson from Florida on TV he's crying again this time about Paul Ryan Wants Americans 'To Work Until They Die'

And I say so what, work is good for you, even if I have money I will never stop working 100%
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 13, 13 4:44 PM
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But youve said you are from south america,. your supoze to work forever thats how you guys roll. I want my piece, and soon baby .!m done worken like a slob. I am an american and I payd social security for 30 years . Now Im gonna Kick it back.!Write that check and keep it coming!
By local 84 (170), riverhead on Mar 13, 13 4:52 PM
Ryan submits the same budget that was rejected before.
The people decided back then what kind of country they wanted-and the vision Ryan offered was rejected.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:25 PM
The proposed budget is not the “same one rejected before.” If you'd like to show how they are exactly the same as you claim, I'll be more than happy to show how they are exactly different. For starters, defunding Obamacare, which is spiraling out of control even before it even goes into effect with the CBO now reporting “Obamacare is going to be more expensive than the Obama administration thought, it will disrupt the marketplace more than they thought, and be tougher to implement ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 10:02 PM
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It's the same budget-the "47% budget" that Romney and Ryan ran on.The one that will gut medicare and medicade and give big tax breaks back to the 1%.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 4:41 AM
And if you check with the sources,it will cost more to repeal "Obamacare" because it will take healthcare away from over 30 million people.
That's what the Ryan budget will do.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 4:43 AM
GOP Budget Revives ‘Obamacare’ Claims
Posted on March 12, 2013
Share on linkedinShare on facebookShare on twitterShare on emailMore Sharing ServicesThe release of the House GOP budget by Rep. Paul Ryan has sparked a resurgence of false and misleading claims about the Affordable Care Act, which the budget seeks to largely repeal. On the Sunday talk shows, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the Democratic National Committee, and Sen. Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin, ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 4:51 AM
So there you go... it's not the same Ryan proposal as you claimed and I guess the CBO is wrong again.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 10:49 AM
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A Quinnipiac poll released today confirms what we're seeing throughout the polling world about the state of President Obama's approval rating: It's nose-diving. According to Quinnipiac, in just forty-five days, Obama's approval rating in Pennsylvania has dived 7 points, from 51% to 44%. Meanwhile, his disapproval rating soared from 46% to 51%.
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 14, 13 11:11 AM
BTW, what the CBO has said, is that Obamcare will spend more, tax more, and reduce the deficit less than previously thought. In fact, GAO estimates Obamacare will add the 6.2 trillion to the deficit. But who cares, right Phil? The estimates continuously get worse than when Obama lied to the public selling it. All that, higher premiums and worse health care; it’s a liberal dream come true.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 11:25 AM
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Nope.same budget raping the poor and disabled.l
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 2:49 PM
And don't forget-it'll take healthcare away from tens of millions.That'll drive costs up,for those of you who want that.l
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 2:51 PM
It's the usual talking points from captain jackboots.
He doesn't care about those without healthcare.just let 'em die.
Eugenics for the poor.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 2:53 PM
Weekly Ratings: Fox News Humiliates Competition

In all of cable -- all 94 ad-supported cable channels measured by Nielsen, Fox News placed fourth in primetime. By comparison, MSNBC placed 24th, HLN was 29th, and CNN hit 33rd
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 4:57 PM
Phil, you've shown no proof of whether the 30 million need insurance, want it, or how much they earn - not to mention, no facts to support any of the idiotic claims. Your radical leftist patter is nothing more than the same ol' fear mongering, times three.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 6:21 PM
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Phil, you are rejected all the time yet you keep coming back.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 14, 13 10:24 PM
to dnice:

I would guess that he does so because he is reassured of the righteousness of his beliefs with each rejection by posters like you.

As for Ryan's budget, it would cut Medicare, Medicaid, poverty programs, and repeal Affordable Care, all while permitting GE, ExxonMobil, Koch Industries et al. continued avoidance of tens of billions of dollars annually in income taxes. It is hardly surprising that a man whose favorite ("avid", in his own words) hobby is terrorizing innocent ...more
By highhatsize (2163), East Quogue on Mar 15, 13 12:46 AM
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HHS Cant you find the courage to critazie somthing worth while for example
CAIRO – Egypt’s biggest Islamist movement has strongly criticized a UN document aimed at combating violence against women for contradicting basic Islamic principles and undermining family values.

“This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society,” the Muslim Brotherhood warned in a statement obtained by OnIslam.net.

By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 15, 13 7:46 AM
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Ryan's budget is the same sorry political propaganda document that he proposed before.
It will keep 30 million people from getting healthcare,as well as everything HHS mentioned.
The right doesn't want to take care of the rest of the country,just those who can afford to pay for it while oppressed by republican regimes.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:56 PM
Actually, it is not the same. The former version did not balance the budget. This one does it in ten years. You claim a unproven assumption that 30 million won't have health care. There is no evidence those 30 million even want or need health care. Obamacare is already raising taxess on the middle class, adding to the debt and will decrease the quality of health care.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:41 PM
hhs, whatever do you mean?
Mar 16, 13 10:05 AM appended by dnice
Oh, and there is nothing righteous about him unless you meant self-righteous:)
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 16, 13 10:05 AM
New Pope: No Communion for Pro-Abortion Politicians
New Pope Francis I is a conservative in the mold of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II. That’s especially true on the issue of abortion, which he called a “death sentence” for the unborn in 2007.

Viva La Papa!
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 13, 13 5:24 PM
Abortion is murder! Phil is 27's champion of in utero homicede. Way to go Champ, defending the indefensible.
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 14, 13 4:27 PM
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Too bad there's no edit feature here. Should read homicide.
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 14, 13 4:28 PM
Only in the minds of religious zealots, more often than not of a sex incapable of actually bearing children. Abortion is legal in this country. Period
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Mar 14, 13 5:19 PM
I am sorry but you most likely justify it to hide your quilt as I did for so long.

Truth is it's Murder legal or not. Period
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 14, 13 5:40 PM
Just no he will forgive you if you ask. He loves you
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 14, 13 5:41 PM
The law in most states (if not all) considers it murder when a fetus is killed during a commission of a crime, but not during an abortion. I never understood that. The age of the fetus is the same regardless.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 6:34 PM
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Political ax to grind so as to garner votes?

How do you feel about "Plan B"?
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 14, 13 6:41 PM
Excellent point Captain
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 14, 13 9:53 PM
Sacred mystery: Blockbuster ratings for ‘The Bible’ confound Hollywood
Sure, it’s easy to criticize Hollywood, but try to remember that the entertainment industry today is an intellectually demanding environment, fraught with cognitively challenging, even intractable, questions, like, to take one recent example: How can the cable mini-series “The Bible” be such a ratings hit when there is no audience for overtly religious entertainment programming?

According ...more
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 15, 13 5:46 PM
People love fairy tales.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 7:53 PM
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Cappy said-

"The law in most states (if not all) considers it murder when a fetus is killed during a commission of a crime, but not during an abortion. I never understood that. The age of the fetus is the same regardless. "

That is what happens whenn states are left to make those choices.Under federal law,a woman has the right to determine what happens to their body.It's their choice not yours to impose on them because you have a dominance fetish.

You yourself said that ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 8:04 PM
First off Phil, re-check your facts on my posts in relation to the psycho babble you were spewing at the time. STATES, per Roe vs. Wade, have a mandate to protect the health of the mother and fetus per the law of the land and the Supreme Court decision. Whether I understand the "wisdom" of the Supreme Court decision on Roe vs. Wade and the application of criminal law regarding the murder of a fetus during the commission of a crimes is pretty irrelevent no matter how you slice it, it's just my ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 8:41 PM
A woman's right to choose is a constitutionally protected right.
Why do you hate the constitution?
Or do you just interpret it to support your own argument-that being that women should be subservient to you because you say so.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:19 PM
A woman's right to choose is a constitutionally protected right.
Why do you hate the constitution?
Or do you just interpret it to support your own argument-that being that women should be subservient to you because you say so.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:19 PM
A states right to protect the health of the women and fetus is also constitutionally protected - Roe vs. Wade says so. Why do you hate the constitution, and interject subservience into the discussion, that's ridiculous? I was just curious why abortion is constitutional, but murder of a fetus during a crime is a chargeable offense.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:33 PM
There you go with states rights again.
When are you going to argue for the return of slavery,as per the states rights basis?

Abortion is a constitutionally protected right of women.
Why do you hate the constitution?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:45 PM
Roe vs. Wade recognizes a states responsibilitly in ensuring the safety of a women and fetus. What does slavery have to do with that?
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:55 PM
Roe v Wade gives every woman in the country the right to make that choice for themselves.Republican run states are restricting those rights by legislating to restrict access to excercising those rights.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:00 PM
Criminal law also gives flexibility to prosecuting attorneys to charge those who commit a crime that results in the murder of a fetus to be charged accordingly.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:29 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Now he is doing posts in three's to stand out in the crowd LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL To Funny ROTFLOL
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 5:09 PM
obama: We're Not 'Chasing Balanced Budget Just For Sake Of Balance'
my advice on that subject
I wouldnt float large loans to companies based on campaign contributions that go bankrupt almost immediately----I wouldnt increase entitlement spending---I wouldnt initiate Gov takeover of Healthcare that will fail miserably mainly due to who wrote it and never read it---I wouldnt give billions away to countries who are just stealing the $ and laughing at you
By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 14, 13 5:18 PM
I dont think youre concerned at all with balancing the budget you created... Barry! How can you balance something you have deliberately ignored for the last 4 years? And furthermore: How can you lead by example while enjoying the opulent vacations you and Michelle and 75 of her closest friends are taking?

By joe hampton (1859), south hampton on Mar 14, 13 5:19 PM
he told you from the beginning what he was concerned about, Fundamentally changing the county!
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 14, 13 9:55 PM
Allen West: Nothing a Liberal Fears More than a Black Conservative

Allen West (R-FL) told the CPAC audience on Thursday that there is nothing a liberal fears more than black conservatives.

"There is nothing on earth that a liberal progressive fears more than a black American who wants a better life and a smaller government," West said, noting that he is tired of liberals dividing Americans up into small groups

Bravo! Mr West you are a great American!

By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 15, 13 7:53 AM
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Alan West was drummed out of the army for torture.If this man's your hero,maybe you should re-examine your morals.

"In testimony at an Article 32 hearing -- the military's version of a grand jury or preliminary hearing -- West said the policeman, Yahya Jhrodi Hamoody, was not cooperating with interrogators, so he watched four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion beat the detainee on the head and body.

West said he also threatened to kill Hamoody. Military prosecutors ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 4:42 PM
Allen West is a great American. Evil hates Good. Your problem has been analyzed
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 5:38 PM
Allen west tortured prisoners.A fine example of what conservatives stand for.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 7:52 PM
We know the real reason you don't like Allen West. Democrats did some torturing of their own once upon a time.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 8:44 PM
But the conservative movement used corrupt government to justify it and use it recently.
Not exactly what this country stands for-unless your a conservative.
Then torture si okay,despite worldwide condemnation of it.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:28 PM
Not to be confused with the murder of US citizens, embraced by the Obama regime. The left was up in arms about water boarding, which was determined to NOT be torture. But murdering US cisitzens is ok. Let freedom ring.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:00 PM
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I've said nothing about the drone attacks;now you are trying to put words in my mouth again.
I don't support torture,that's a conservative position-a direction the conservatives want this country to continue as illustrated by the right's support for Alan West,who did in fact torture prisoners and was defended as a patriot.
The people of this country don't support torture as a policy for dealing with prisoners.
Unless they are conservatives.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:40 PM
By the way,waterboarding is torture according to the Geneva convention.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:51 PM
You mentioned torture, it's all fair game after that. The hypocrisy of the left in protesting "torture" in light of the silence on the murder of us citizens, is legitimate discussion. I too have said nothing about drone attacks. But again, since you specifically mention it, the people of this country certainly do not support the murder of us citizens without due process.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:17 PM
Then you support the repeal of "stand your ground" laws,which are used to justify murder under the premise of killing without due process?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 5:00 AM
I mentioned torture because a man who used torture was hailed as a hero demonstrating that the right uses selective morality depending on what suits its agenda.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 5:03 AM
Let me guess Phil, more admiration and support for our brave men and women in the military - painting them as criminals, nice, not to mention those that are African American and republican. We can't have that can we. The left must destroy them at all cost because they don't know their place. It is the left who uses selective morality... criticizing water boarding, but then embracing its results like the death of bin laden but then supporting the killing of American citizens by drone strikes without ...more
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 1:47 PM
Google:

The truth about Republicans.

Don't worry, you'll enjoy the YouTube...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 8:44 PM
Google: the truth about Democrats and civil rights. Sorry, you might not enjoy that too much.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 8:48 PM
Google: the truth about Democrats and civil rights. Sorry, you might not enjoy that too much.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 8:48 PM
More right wing propaganda.
the usual from the neo-fascist far right.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:20 PM
Yeah, google is neo-fascist far right. But Z's post to highlight a comedian using google, is spot on. Got it.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:27 PM
A Ku Klux Klan member a Democrat? Maybe it was your Great Grandpa's Democratic party, or an anachronism labeled from the days of Lincoln from a backwards sect of society still living by a convention decades past.

"...in 1964, Everett Dirksen (R-IL), the Republican Leader in the U.S. Senate, condemned the Democrats’ 57-day filibuster against the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Leading the Democrats in their opposition to civil rights for African-Americans was Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV). Byrd, ...more
Mar 15, 13 9:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
The polarization in political parties has changed over time, and we didn't always have the speed in commnunication we now enjoy, do we? Maybe you'll begin to understand the problems incurred by labels, but I ain't holdin' my breath...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 9:27 PM
And those dixiecrats joined rpublicans,who welcomed them.Then came Reagan and his statements in Philadelphia,Mississippi in 1980, using the same argument that conservatives of the past used to justify slavery.
You see,the democratic party was once the conservative party,and the conservatives wanted slavery to continue.Now the conservatives are republican,and they aren't very fond of minorities or civil rights.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:35 PM
Bingo phil.

And, I might add, the LAST thing you should ever think of Carlin as is "just a comedian".

Artists are the voice of your society. When they are silent, dull, or drab, your society is on borrowed time...
Mar 15, 13 9:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
Smug, greedy, well fed white people have actually come up with a langurage to conceal their sins..." ~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 9:39 PM
I generally respond to nothing but labels here Z. Preach to your posse, you included - I'll play the factoid of the day card all day long. Need I remind you in regards to labels, you posted a reference to "truth about republicans" and your posse began playing the race card.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:46 PM
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Labels exist, and must be dealt in for better, or worse. Without said "label", you could not garner the information specified. Labels come in many flavors, just like genius, and Campbell's soup. Why something has been labeled far outweighs the attachment.

Depolarize your mind, but grasp that society which surrounds you.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 9:52 PM
So you label, but then tell people to deal with labels. Seems your mind must first be depolarized, since you first labeled.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:55 PM
If I ever "label" anything, it's in quotations or comes after a colon.

I didn't label "the truth about Republicans", all I did was share it.

I have have views which straddle "both sides of the fence", that's a fact.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 10:01 PM
Well, I got to say, I didn't "label" anything either. I responded in like kind to your post, for all to determine for themselves, just as you did. My views also straddle both sides of the fence, this is also a fact.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:08 PM
So when does America take Alvin Lee's advice, and "stop the war" on every level?
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 10:17 PM
Sounds good, get right on that one.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:23 PM
You never labeled anything?
Are you serious?
Does the term socialist ring a bell?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:42 PM
I never said that I have never labeled anything. I just said that I never labeled anything (in this thread). Follow the bouncing ball Phil. But I will stand on the statement that "I responded in like kind to your post."
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:49 PM
Just went through your posts (in this thread)

you were saying?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:06 PM
It was clearly a response to Z's post, and certainly did not mention socialist.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:26 PM
Senator Scott was such a dynamic speaker at C P A C with an excellent message. We need more GOP like that in place of the ones who have hung on far past their usefulness and are being used today by the democrats. The Senator's message was spot on!
What an outstanding speaker, with a great vision and the ability to break it down to understandable bits for everyone understand. Go Senator Scott.!!!

By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 9:36 AM
From "What Is Conservatism?"

"The tactics of conservatism vary widely by place and time. But the most central feature of conservatism is deference: a psychologically internalized attitude on the part of the common people that the aristocracy are better people than they are. Modern-day liberals often theorize that conservatives use "social issues" as a way to mask economic objectives, but this is almost backward: the true goal of conservatism is to establish an aristocracy, which is a social ...more
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:37 PM
Yawn....
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:52 PM
From "Liberal Tricks"

Making arguments that have superficial appeal to the dimwitted, but are actually nonsensical and probably not believed by the liberal himself (but in this case, anything is possible).
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:22 PM
Like the right voting to repeal ACA 30+ times?
Like thye right not offering a jobs bill?
Like the right crying about Benghazi but conveniently forgetting about several embassy attacks during the Bush administration that killed scores more?
Cappie,the master of dimwitted superficiality has spoken.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:31 PM
1) Repeal, yes, because there is nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act. 2) no less than 30 jobs bills have been offered by republicans. If democrats don't support them, well that's a different discussion, 3) Crying? About answers on the murder of an Ambassador and three other patriots which signifies a foeriegn policy failure culminating in the cover up of facts leading up to and resulting from the attack. We know NOTHING about the events six months later.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:44 PM
It's the law of the land.
Why don't you support federally implemented laws supported by the SCOTUS?
Where are the jobs bills?Why did the republicans abandon jobs and the American people?
Where was your concern when Americans were killed in embassies during the Bush administration,and if there was wrongdoing in Benghazi,why isn't that an issue except with the extreme right,who we know hates Obama for their usual reasons?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:49 PM
We do know a lot about what happened at Benghazi-there were congressional hearings that officials testified at.
Unfortunately,some of the republicans who cried the loudest didn't attend them...
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:58 PM
1) It's my right to have my own opinion on SCOTUS decisions. I adhere to federally implemented law decided by the SCOTUS; 2) The jobs bills were killed in discussion with the senate and Obama raised taxes on the poor and middle class. 3) As we know, it's not the original offense, it's the cover up. Obama has engaged in a cover up on the Benghazi attack. Six months later, and still no answers.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:06 PM
More far right wing propaganda.
Where are the jobs bills?
Why hasn't the republicans responded to the American people who need jobs?
A failure in leadership by the republicans.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:09 PM
There's been no coverup in Benghazi.That's a fabrication by right wing media.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:11 PM
How do we know there has been no cover up? We have absolutely no answers and Obama and his handlers went on a world wind misinformation tour. How many people we injured? How did the ambassador die? Were survivors interviewed? How many remain in the hospital? What did they experience? We know nothing six months later.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 11:24 PM
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It appears certain that Obama and Clinton were very intimately involved in either the killing or cover-up on some level, as evidenced incontrovertibly by the fact that they parroted the monumentally untrue recounting of the events by Libya and initially sold it hard on a very large scale; sending Rice out to five (5!) different TV shows on the same day to repeat the lie essentially proves it. They clearly attempted to overwhelm any truth to the contrary by saturating the media with this one story ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 16, 13 9:14 AM
P Said "People who believe that the aristocracy rightfully dominates society because of its intrinsic superiority are conservatives; democrats, by contrast, believe that they are of equal social worth"

Maybe if O.W.S was not dealing drugs and defecating on police cars during there great grass roots charade we could take you a little more seriously. Just saying.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 9:41 AM
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More fact free posts from the usual suspects.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 7:09 PM
Well by all means enlighten us Phil on the events. We're now learning the Benghazi survivors were told to be quiet by the Obama administration not to mention the inaccurate or incomplete accounts that came from the Obama administration in the days following the attack. We know nothing.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 7:45 PM
We didn't elect Obama so he could defend islam, we elect a president so he can defend the Constitution . . . “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” . . . The same constitution that defends our religious liberty, and our freedom of speech.

But Barack Hussein Obama has decided it is his duty to protect, ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 16, 13 9:04 AM
More bigotry nicely framed by TCM.
Anyone who beleives in Islam is a terrorist and doesn't deserve the protections of the constitution.
Look at the hippocracy in your own post.

"We didn't elect Obama so he could defend islam, we elect a president so he can defend the Constitution ....."

The constitution defends all religions that are practiced in this country,not just the ones you choose to defend.

Tell us,is ignorance truly bliss?
Inquiring minds want to know.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 7:17 PM
Dr. Thomas Sowell Discusses "Intellectuals And Race" On "Hannity"

TUCKER CARLSON: This book is packed with all kinds of interesting information that I have never heard before. This jumped out at me, you talked about the grotesque, really disparity, between black and white unemployment rates. The black unemployment rate is much higher than white unemployment rate, but you say that wasn't always the case. You say that black labor participations were higher than that of whites up until about ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 17, 13 1:00 AM
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I always enjoy Thomas Sowell's honesty he is a great American.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 12:14 PM
I still don't believe we have seen proof of where obama was born, only a multi layered photoshop counterfeit and a separate photo copy of a faded Hawaiian live birth certificate thats # seemed way out of sequence, all combined with a SS # from Connecticut ??? Please look it up for yourselves WTF!

But it doesn't matter. He was not raised in America but in Indonesia, and has clearly brought the resentment of a third world radical loser to America. obama in 1968 was registered as a Muslim ...more
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 17, 13 1:24 PM
Please explain the newspaper announcing his birth within two days.
By But I'm a blank! (833), Hampton Bays on Mar 17, 13 1:44 PM
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You asked for it
FINAL REPORT: Obama's Birth Announcements Fail To Indicate "Natural Born" Status
A new investigation of Obama’s birth announcements appearing in Hawaii’s two primary newspapers in August, 1961 shows, conclusively, they were the result of a registration record taken by the municipal health authority, not a medically verified “Live" birth documented as occurring at a Hawaiian hospital, per an officially defined "vital event" designated by the U.S. Department ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (711), southampton on Mar 17, 13 9:01 PM
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WOW! I admit, you convinced me. Thank you for showing me the light.
Now when you get a chance, can you help me figure out how to fold the tin foil for my new hat?
By But I'm a blank! (833), Hampton Bays on Mar 17, 13 9:53 PM
His mother was an American Citizen born on American soil in Wichita, Kansas.

You should really not only read Title 8, but if you still need the hat I'll donate the tinfoil...


For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock):

1.The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3.The ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 17, 13 11:00 PM
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I do hope you saw my remark as sarcasm, Mr Z.
By But I'm a blank! (833), Hampton Bays on Mar 18, 13 4:16 PM
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its like a houze of mirirors in here. will the real slim shady please stand up
By local 84 (170), riverhead on Mar 16, 13 9:49 AM
Here's a little history lesson for the "patriots" out there:

5 Myths About the Revolutionary War Everyone Believes
By: J. Wisniewski March 16, 2013


Since fictional superheroes usually get cool origin stories, it makes sense that an actual global superpower needs to have one. Luckily for the United States, the Revolutionary War was precisely such a tale. Bloody, heroic, and seasoned with all kinds of awesome, the entire eight-year period was dripping with fantastic stories ...more
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 17, 13 3:21 PM
You tell that superpower Z.
Mar 17, 13 4:52 PM appended by Captn America
Next you'll be telling us Mel Gibson had no role either....
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 4:52 PM
History is written by the victors. This should come as no surprise.

Trying to downplay the term "Patriots" is a sour grapes reaction and partly born from world wide anti American sentiment. They build you up only to try and rip you down. I know we have our problems but there is still no place I would rather live.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 17, 13 9:38 PM
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But that doesn't stop you people from trying to re-write it,does it?
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 6:16 AM
Phil, what do you mean?
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 13 1:49 PM
The term "patriot" has been co-opted by a bunch of unthinking, middle-aged, overweight white dudes afraid the government because someone tried to take their big gulps after a black man was elected president.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 10:30 PM
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Just substitute "nutjob" for the rights' use of patriot.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 6:50 AM
Say what you will about the Tea Party, but you're lucky to have them. They are the lone united voice behind a couple of sound goals: curtailng the cost of government and refusing to live at the expense of future generations. Something the left and right have no concept of. If a $17 trillion deficit represents sanity, well then yes, we need more nut jobs.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 5:52 PM
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Yes,the republican party needs more ignorant racist bigots to shore up it's base.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 9:26 PM
You're entitled to your opinion.
By Captn America (4419), Southampton on Mar 19, 13 8:45 AM
Phil, how do you get through the day filled with so much hate? Your family must dread you coming over during the holidays, huh?
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 13 1:57 PM
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By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 20, 13 6:03 PM
With you people posting they'll never run out.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 20, 13 6:05 PM
Haha, more "you people" posts. You are awfully sensitive and thin skinned.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 20, 13 9:00 PM
You're the one who has to reply to every post I make.
Which one of us is thin skinned? I can take whatever you say about me,I'm here.You people are the ones who have to respond every time.You can't hack being told the truth about yourselves.
You're all alike.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 6:46 AM
Ah, I like the smell of smoke and butterfly nets in the morning.
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 7:21 AM
Smells like lunacy.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 21, 13 12:41 PM
"All the fits that's news to print!"
By PBR (4366), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 1:01 PM
Several of you have to combine to come up with the intellect to counter what I post.
And you still fall short.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 8:53 PM
The republicans are saying what they think the public wants to hear.They have no intention of changing.They still wage war on women,minorities,voting rights,working people and the poor.
Rand paul has since walked back his comments on supporting a path to citizenship.
They're lying to make political points.
Same old same old.
And the gullible still beleive them
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 6:51 AM
I repeat I think Dr Carson Would be a fine president and wish him gods speed if he chooses to run

We love Women, just not the selfish barbaric murdering act of abortion for convenience

Working people are great! I am a working person will be till the day I die

Love Spanish people they have family values go to church and work very hard they just need to pay taxes, Everyone needs to pay taxes not just the rich!

Your envy of the rich will in the end will be your ...more
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 11:46 AM
I repeat I think Dr Carson Would be a fine president and wish him gods speed if he chooses to run

We love Women, just not the selfish barbaric murdering act of abortion for convenience

Working people are great! I am a working person will be till the day I die

Love Spanish people they have family values go to church and work very hard they just need to pay taxes, Everyone needs to pay taxes not just the rich!

Your envy of the rich will in the end will be your ...more
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 11:46 AM
Did you really expect him to reply to you on that. Doubtful when you call him out he just remains silent and goes on to the next talking point he heard on Chris Matthews last night.
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 21, 13 4:12 PM
Smells like lunacy.

By dnice (555), Hampton Bays on Mar 21, 13 12:41 PM





By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 8:58 PM
From Rolling Stone-

"
REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS: DECLARE WAR ON WOMEN

In Republican politics, limited government ends at a woman's vagina. Early this year, the GOP-controlled legislature of Arkansas passed a bill outlawing abortion after just 12 weeks' gestation, a law "designed to dial the clock back 40 years," said Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights. The measure was vetoed by Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe, who decried it as "blatantly" unconstitutional ...more
Mar 21, 13 9:03 PM appended by philathome
A lesson in hippocracy.The right hates the idea of government dictating healthcare choices to us. Unless you're a woman.Then raping them with a vaginal probe is okay. The war on women continues....
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 9:03 PM
Like I have said to you before, women know in there hart its a dark thing.They know it was a child in a way a man cannot conceive. You feel empty and alone after wards in a way that is not describable. Who are you to lecture me.
To many men trying to get out of child support and to many grandmothers and sisters who do not want to help with a child. Problem is for the mothers who cant just go back to the way it was before they were talked into the "procedure" by people like you
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 21, 13 9:12 PM
You don't speak for all women, you only speak for yourself.
And maybe, Ann Coulter.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 23, 13 6:40 PM
Stop being so callous and try to develop some compassion instead of being so cold hearted. What kind of a man promotes such an ugly act like its some sort of badge of honor.

If you only new that damage you could be causing some young thing reading your childish no responsibility rants, you really should be ashamed of yourself.

God forgive you.
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 21, 13 9:20 PM
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.I think most women would rather make up their own minds bexause they want to make indormed decisions on their ownand not be dictated to by some whacko.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 11:13 PM
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By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 11:15 PM
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By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 22, 13 6:07 AM
Really? Because you know what what most women feel in there hearts.

Please do not call me names because you fear the truth.
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 22, 13 10:43 AM
don't presume to speak for all women fronm your self-righteous pedestal because you want to lay your guilt on others
Take personal responsiblity for your perceived mistake and stop trying to make decisions for others.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 22, 13 4:17 PM
I have taken responsibility for my horrible unforgivable mistake and now I am just trying to save others from being bullied into that same decision.

From your posts you come across as a very bitter person who seems to feel cheated in life somehow and now you spend hours trying to force people into your view points.

Why are you filled with so much hate?
By Erin 27 E (294), southampton on Mar 22, 13 10:01 PM
Erin - you ask the same question many of do in regards to foolathome.
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 13 12:27 AM
I'm a reflection of those who answer my posts.
A mirror of you and the others, who obviously can't stand any opinions contrary to your own.

By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 23, 13 6:38 PM
You don't even realize how dumb that sounds. It makes no sense. If we are contrary, how are you a mirror?
By dnice (1359), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 13 8:35 PM
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ROTFLMFAO
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 24, 13 12:19 AM
The lemmings are here-and they're under my control.
I can make them jump through hoops,like they did above.

Like I said before-

"Self-deluded groin thinkers poised like lemmings on the sea cliff"

Jump,boys,jump this high.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 25, 13 12:22 AM
Sounds like Erin is on the edge.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 23, 13 6:42 PM
Women Chronically Assaulted in Square Where Morsi's Revolution Started

In Egypt over the past year, men who many Egyptians think are supporters of Mohammed Morsi’s Islamist government

Looks like obummers Arab Spring is right on track
By They call me (1076), southampton on Mar 25, 13 12:46 AM
We have no control over what goes on in Egypt.
Even if you do wish you could carry the war on women that far here.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 25, 13 7:33 PM
Your envy of the rich will in the end will be your undoing .

By 27dan (456), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 11:46 AM

Hey dan, Google this:

the truth about the distribution of wealth in america collective evolution

Watch the video. It has lots of pictures...
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 25, 13 9:27 PM
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By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 26, 13 5:33 PM
Well bf, looks like your view didn't make it.

Remember, Hubris is a deadly sin. Not just for an individual, but for the society such acts are reprobate to.
By Mr. Z (6392), North Sea on Mar 26, 13 8:25 PM
WOW, calling abortion murder is unacceptable to the powers that be here?
Erin is spot on in her comments, not all women are in favor of killing their unborn childred in utero for the sake of convenience. How many girl babies have been killed by the abortionists? That's a war on women, brought to us by the godless left.
By bigfresh (1251), north sea on Mar 27, 13 7:37 AM
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Thank you Erin for speaking out It must be difficult to talk about for you.You are a brave women.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Mar 27, 13 12:03 PM
didn't you call women who have abortions murderers?
just saying.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Mar 31, 13 10:39 AM
I said it was a terrible and selfish act, Yes technically it is murder but from what I read from her, I believe Erin was pressured into this act and I do not think she was responsible for her actions. I feel horrible for her. You can hear the pain in her words. We will pray for you, You are a brave women for speaking out and deserve to be commended.
By 27dan (1033), Southampton on Apr 1, 13 12:38 AM
If she was pressured into the act, then she didn't take personal responsibility and make the decision on her own based on her own beliefs.
It isn't murder, it's a medical procedure and civil right that is constitutionally protected according to the SCOTUS.
By philathome (9205), Southampton on Apr 2, 13 3:55 PM
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