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Oct 17, 2014 1:07 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Bishop, Zeldin Criticize Obama On Handling Of Ebola, Trade Barbs On Other Issues

Oct 21, 2014 3:38 PM

In a rare moment of agreement, both candidates running to represent eastern Long Island in Congress criticized the president’s handling of the Ebola virus outbreak in the United States, and called for a travel ban to and from western Africa during a debate last week at the Westhampton Beach High School.

Incumbent U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, called on Congress to cut its recess short in order to address the crisis regarding the virus, while his challenger, Shirley Republican and State Senator Lee Zeldin, said President Barack Obama has shown poor leadership on the issue.

“The president and his administration’s handling of this entire crisis has been terrible,” Mr. Zeldin told the estimated 100 people in attendance. “I think we need to ramp up and have the maximum screening procedures at our airports.”

Several audience members at the debate, which was organized by the League of Women Voters of the Hamptons, cosponsored by The Press News Group and held last Thursday night, October 16, questioned what the candidates thought of the way the virus had been handled thus far and should be handled moving forward.

Mr. Bishop added that the country could not afford to wait until after next month’s election to deal with the issue, which has resulted in one death on American soil, as well as other reported cases.

“I know we’re in election season, but certain members of the Senate and House are asking that the Senate and House be brought back into session to deal with this,” Mr. Bishop said. “I would support that, because it’s a very important issue that we can’t let sit until November 12.”

Outside of the few minutes of cordial agreement that the candidates shared on the Ebola issue at about the midway point of the debate, the two men contested each other on standard talking points—such as the Affordable Care Act, Common Core and immigration—as well as ideological stances on issues like minimum wage, abortion, the national debt and efforts to combat the extremist group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS.

The debate hit a fever pitch when the candidates were asked about their views on how to fix Social Security and keep it solvent. Brought up frequently during debates between these two candidates, the topic is a vexing one for Mr. Zeldin, who has faced a barrage of attacks stating that he would privatize the system, citing a statement he made to Newsday in 2008 when he ran against Mr. Bishop for the first time. At the time, Mr. Zeldin said he’d support privatizing some Social Security contributions from people under 40.

Mr. Zeldin adamantly denies that he’s in favor of privatizing Social Security, saying that he “would never vote for any piece of legislation that would take one dime away from anyone who’s a senior or anyone who’s close to retirement.” However, Mr. Zeldin, who is 34, said he was open to the idea of increasing the minimum age to collect Social Security for members of his generation.

“You try to have a substantive discussion when you’re with your opponent, you’re in forums and they say, ‘What are you gonna do about decades from now?’” Mr. Zeldin said.

He added that he is open to the idea of members of his generation and those 10 years younger than him waiting another 12 to 15 months before they are eligible to start collecting Social Security. “I can deal with that,” he said. “But scaring seniors with regards to specifics is greatly unfortunate.”

In his response, Mr. Bishop did not provide a strategy for keeping the system solvent, but rather explained why privatization would be harmful to the Social Security trust fund. If some people, in this case those individuals under 40, take the money they would normally contribute to Social Security and put it into a private retirement fund, that leaves less money for the current recipients, Mr. Bishop explained.

“I would simply say that my opponent obviously doesn’t understand how the trust fund works,” he said. “It’s that simple: You take money out of the trust fund, the people who are relying on it will get less.”

The two also sparred when discussing the national debt, with Mr. Bishop saying there needs to a substantive debate about where to limit spending, while Mr. Zeldin said there should be a hard debt ceiling that gets enforced rather than constantly being bumped up, as has been the case in recent years.

Mr. Zeldin also criticized Mr. Bishop for not providing specific sources for cuts and instead only listing what budget items could not be touched.

In other topics, the candidates largely followed party lines in relation to gay marriage, abortion, raising the minimum wage and voter identification laws.

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Too bad we don't have better choices for Congress this November. I might feel differently if they both would stop the never-ending survey harassment.
By oystercatcher (126), southampton on Oct 17, 14 3:57 PM
Sounds productive.
By KevinLuss (356), SH on Oct 17, 14 4:05 PM

"So no specifics- wait for his plan and see?"
Could you imagine? I mean could you imagine the same approach with something like... the ACA???
BTW - Tim offers no solution. You must have missed that.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 17, 14 5:06 PM
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By islander6615 (133), hampton bays on Oct 18, 14 11:56 AM
Captn America asks what part of Zeldin's pledge not to "take one dime way from anyone who's a senior" don't we understand?

Here it is, Cap: It's not we who don't understand, it's Lee Zeldin. Just as Tim Bishop says, Zeldin must not get how the Social Security Trust works.

Why? Because you can't have voluntary privatization for under-40s, even partially, without taking money away from seniors, right away. Current payments to seniors are funded by the younger generation now working, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 18, 14 3:10 PM
So, Cap, you agree that's how Social Security works, but you call it a Ponzi scheme, and cop to the super-lame assertion that we therefore need guys like Zeldin with different ideas.

Go out there and take a survey, anywhere, any income group, any age group, and see how many people want to give up the "Ponzi scheme" and go without Social Security payments in their old age. You won't fill a clothes closet with the Yes votes. We both know that.

Fact is, Lee Zeldin either doesn't ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 19, 14 11:51 AM
Give me back all the money ive dumped into this giant Ponzi scheme and I'd give it up in a heart beat. Anyone with half a brain would. You will do far better in the long run investing in the market and would have control over your OWN money.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Oct 20, 14 8:37 AM
BREAKING : Poll: Obama hits lowest approval,
By JONATHAN TOPAZ Updated: 10/18/14 6:20 AM
Obama’s approval rating is at the lowest level of his presidency, A new ABC News/Wash Post poll released Today says Americans approvel of Obama’s job performance hit Its lowest score the poll has recorded since he took office. Down again from Sep. Less than a month out from the Nov midterm elections. A large number of Dem candidates have been distancing themselves from the White House.
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 18, 14 5:30 PM
Unfortunately, both of these societal leeches are just your typical run-of-the-mill dime-a-dozen politicians. Liars, them all. America.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Oct 18, 14 7:37 PM
NYT SUNDAY: Confidential memo from Obama pollster predicts 'crushing Dem losses' if blacks not engaged in election... Developing...
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 18, 14 8:22 PM
Referendum on the president and his polices
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 18, 14 10:56 PM
I hate to tell you Phil the supreme court just announced voter id is legal. If you cant come up with one single form of I D something is wrong.
Phil your other misconception is that privatization of social security is dangerous. The US has collected trillions in SS taxes and basically is 3 trillion short, and counting. Phil you are basically a parrot with no thoughts of your own.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 19, 14 8:59 AM
...and let's not forget LBJ
By loading... (601), quiogue on Oct 19, 14 9:56 PM
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STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE AT THE POLLS, FORCE THEM TO LOOK AT YOUR IDs

I DO YOU CAN TOO!
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 19, 14 11:57 AM
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After all your Daily Kos blather, you still have not explained how requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises minorities Phil. Just leftist talking points, no facts.
By bigfresh (4663), north sea on Oct 19, 14 12:07 PM
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Most Americans are about as likely to trust obamas reassurances regarding his handing of the Ebola virus about as much as we trust his handling of ISIS or his failure to obtain a SOFA agreement with Iraq...or his handling of Putin...or Obamacare...or....or...or...or...take your pick to many to choose from.

My new favorite is the new "Ebola Czar's" lack of any medical or logistical experience but he is up to his eye balls in involvement with the management of the Solyndra deal ! what a ...more
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 19, 14 12:15 PM
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By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 19, 14 4:45 PM
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Blacks are now blaming Soetoro's incompetence on the fact that he is half white
By loading... (601), quiogue on Oct 19, 14 9:43 PM
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Your source, kind sir?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Oct 21, 14 8:09 PM
Obama has lied to us and screwed up Ebola like he's screwed up the V.A., the IRS, the NSA, Obamacare, the Website, ISIS/Al Qaeda, China, Iran, Russian/Putin. Obama is the worst, most incompetent President in all of U.S. history.

Ebola is a nightmare at this point, and thanks to the LIES they told us about being ready we could be on the verge of an epidemic. And meanwhile West Africans continue to pour into the country and nobody knows if they have Ebola or not. So what does Obama do?

He ...more
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 19, 14 5:04 PM
2 people infected from 1 patient in a nation of 300 million is a "nightmare" scenario to you?
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 20, 14 1:13 PM
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FUD
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 21, 14 8:22 AM
CROWD WALKS OUT ON O

(Reuters) - President Obama made a rare appearance on the campaign trail on Sun. with a rally to support the Dem. candidate for governor in Maryland, but early departures of crowd members while he spoke underscored his continuing unpopularity.

A steady stream of people walked out of the auditorium while he spoke, however, several hecklers interrupted his remarks.
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 19, 14 10:45 PM
Choosing a political hack as Ebola "Czar" is just one more of Soetoro's ways of slapping each and every one of us damned Citizens squarely in the face. West Africans infected with Ebola. 100,000 Haitians infected with crime, greed and illiteracy. Central Americans infected with TB, EV D68, measles and the inability to use a toilet dispersed nationwide. Watch out, his other hand is picking your pocket! Now he is soliciting for bids from vendors capable of handling a “surge” scenario of ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on Oct 20, 14 3:02 AM
to 27dan and They call me:

To re-re-reiterate, every single epidemiologist and public health official who has gone on record has stated that an embargo of travel from West Africa is a BAD IDEA. Regardless of this, the ignorami insist that the president should DISREGARD THE OPINION OF EVERY EXPERT IN THE FIELD and enact a policy that would make it MORE LIKELY that Ebola would spread in the United States.

Worse, taking cognizance of the fact that two-thirds of the American people ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 20, 14 9:39 AM
POLITICO POLL: 64% BELIEVE AMERICA IS 'OUT OF CONTROL'

A devastating new Politico poll reveals voters believe America has spun off its axis and is "out of control."

found Obama trailing President George W. Bush

"An overwhelming majority of voters in the most competitive 2014 elections say it feels as if events in the United States are 'out of control' and expressed mounting alarm about terrorism, anxiety about Ebola and harsh skepticism of both political parties only ...more
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 20, 14 11:52 AM
HOLDER: FAILURE TO PASS GUN CONTROL IS MY BIGGEST FAILURE

Sorry, The 2nd amendment is not for sale, Now don't let the door hit you in the _ _ _
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 20, 14 8:38 PM

Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change.

The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon

By Jordan Michael Smith | October 19, 2014
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 20, 14 11:57 PM
It seems evident than ever now since African Americans a demographic that still supports ABM to the tune of 84 percent, vs. 26 percent of white Americans." are the today's true racists. they still rank the color of one particular person's skin, way above the content of his character ( a pr oven liar and charlatan good at selling snake oil, most particularly to those same African Americans). This is why racist hustlers like Jackson & Sharp ton are still even on the scene.

Ben Carson for ...more
Oct 21, 14 9:13 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
should read (still supports Obama) not ABM ?
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 21, 14 9:13 AM
To Highhatsize:

Your post above begins, "To re-re-re-iterate," but I don't see any earlier post in this thread. What I'm looking for is the reasons why the experts you cite say a ban on West African travel would be a bad idea.

Presumably these epidemiologists and public health officials to whom you refer have their reasons for this conclusion, and I'm guessing you know what they are.

I'm also very interested in the reasons why you (and/or the experts) say such a ban ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 21, 14 2:46 PM
I'm guessing one of the reasons why there is a belief that a ban would increase likelihood of a spread is that people would become increasingly desperate to get into this country (or whatever country is imposing the ban) and thus result in people with ebola entering the country, unbeknownst to the government and airlines. At least if someone comes in with ebola (as happened previously) we can figure out how they got here, and who may have come in contact with them. If someone goes to a hospital ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 21, 14 3:24 PM
to Turkey Bridge:

Apologies, Turkey Bridge, my re-re-reiteration included responses that I posted on another thread on this forum, “UPDATE: Cleaning At Southampton After Enterovirus Diagnosis Underway “.

The reason that a travel embargo is a bad idea is that the defeat of the Ebola epidemic is a two-pronged assault involving both the identification, isolation, and treatment of infected individuals and the aggressive, large-scale intervention by medical teams at the ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 22, 14 9:06 AM
Thank you, highhatsize. Appreciate it.
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Oct 22, 14 1:07 PM
to Captn America:

You're serious, Captn? Every epidemiologist in the world including the heads of the national and international agencies tasked with stemming the Ebola epidemic on the one side an an unknown epidemiologist from an insignificant college on the other makes a “mixed opinion"?

By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 23, 14 8:38 AM
Let me get this straight someone with Ebola in Liberia will cross another border get on a flight in another African nation, and get on a airliner? The borders to countries with ebola have been shut by their neighbors, and Ebola cases have dropped to nearly zero. How would someone with ebola even have the strength to travel to another country? What form of transportation would they use since there are very few ways to move. If we have this under control why should we risk having infectious people ...more
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Oct 21, 14 5:28 PM
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By bigfresh (4663), north sea on Oct 21, 14 6:26 PM
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”


― Daniel J. Boorstin, The Discoverers: A History of Man's Search to Know His World and Himself
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 21, 14 8:05 PM
Becoming more and more desperate Howard Fineman, Mr Z, Phil and MSNBC's other 13 viewers pull out the race card in a last gasp attempt to turn out the African American vote.

It is there only "HOPE" For a midterm election that for them is quickly going down the toilet along with barack hussein obamas legacy!
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 21, 14 8:14 PM
Annnnd we've achieved fully delusional.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 21, 14 10:31 PM
Ben Carson for President

2016
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 22, 14 8:49 AM
11 questions to see if libertarians are hypocrites

Eleven questions that expose their contradictions and faulty logic

R.J. Eskow


Libertarians have a problem. Their political philosophy all but died out in the mid- to late-20th century, but was revived by billionaires and corporations that found them politically useful. And yet libertarianism retains the qualities that led to its disappearance from the public stage, before its reanimation by people like the Koch brothers: ...more
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 22, 14 9:05 AM
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"Accusing somebody of racism every time it comes up is a common tactic to project ones personal views on another while appearing to be innocent themselves. It is very revealing."

Really? If we were to go back through your posts, how many times would we find you guilty of accusing someone of racism? I don't think you realize your hypocrisy.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Oct 23, 14 10:31 PM
You still don't see the hypocrisy of your post? You have no answer when confronted with reasonable questions. You choose to deflect, blaming everyone else. It is a common tactic shown time and again in your posts.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Oct 23, 14 11:10 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Oct 24, 14 6:01 PM
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By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Oct 25, 14 8:25 PM
Obama's low approval ratings will cost Democrats in the mid-terms

From a Slobbering Love affair to a Narcissistic pariah: how Barack Obama became toxic for Democrats

With midterm elections only two weeks away, Democrat candidates are doing something they never would have dreamed of in 2008: distancing themselves from Barack Hussein Obama and Hollywood and the Media are losing It !
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 21, 14 7:45 PM
i was just reading about a new ap-gfk poll that said not only do most expect a gop blow out victory in november but by a growing margin, they say that's the outcome they'd like to see.

the surprise was that it also said the majority of women now want republicans!

the war on women does not exist except in the partisan minds of the far left crazies
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 21, 14 9:30 PM
As I recall, a blowout victory was predicted for a previous presidential election not too long ago by the far-right crazies...
Oct 21, 14 10:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
Hey, is this one of your conservative heroes? "Conservative talk radio host Michael Savage said last week that veterans with PTSD are a bunch of crybabies who should act like men and stop complaining..."
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 21, 14 10:35 PM
Oops:


"Alabama House Speaker Mike Hubbard (R) was arrested on Monday and charged with 23 felony ethics charges, The Associated Press reported.

Hubbard, who chaired the Alabama Republican Party from 2007 to 2011, faces charges that include using his office for personal gain and voting for legislation with a conflict of interest, Al.com reported.

Hubbard has claimed that he did nothing wrong and called the investigation a witch hunt, according to the AP.

According ...more
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 22, 14 12:05 AM
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One person one vote, register like everyone else obtain an I'd, then find a way to the polling place. If you do not have a car ask a friend or take the bus or walk. Then show your ID
Enter the polling place and submit your vote. do not solicit your opinion on the grounds go home and watch the results on TV like everyone else.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 22, 14 5:00 PM
You need an ID to get a beach pass, Phil.
Your "burden on minorities" is such nonsense. The only burden someone would have acquiring an ID would be in matters of citizenship. In other words, illegal aliens might have a difficult time.

By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 23, 14 7:51 AM
What election? Network news gives up covering midterms

According to an exhaustive study performed by M.R.C, between Sep.1 & Oct. 20, the three broadcast networks only bothered to mention the fact there is a critical election coming up only 16 times .

By contrast, the same period in 2006, when Dems were believed to be likely to take control , the three major networks mentioned the coming midterms 159 times
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 23, 14 9:22 AM
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ud shame on you,

your not supposed to notice facts like that. hhs will get all wee wee'd up

lol
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 23, 14 9:27 AM
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CHICAGO - Early voting in Illinois got off to a rocky start Monday, as votes being cast for Republican candidates were transformed into votes for Democrats.

Republican state representative candidate Jim Moynihan went to vote Monday at the Schaumburg Public Library.

“I tried to cast a vote for myself and instead it cast the vote for my opponent,” Moynihan said. “You could imagine my surprise as the same thing happened with a number of races when I tried to vote ...more
By loading... (601), quiogue on Oct 23, 14 11:34 AM
NYT: DEM PANIC...

TV Networks ignore election...
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 23, 14 12:56 AM
JUST FOR LAUGHS -

Timeline of Obama’s ‘Evolving’ on Same-Sex Marriage

FEB. 1996: “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages
OCT. 2004: “What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman
OCT. 2010: “I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage
JUNE 2011: “The president has never favored same-sex marriage. He is against it.

Whaaaaaaa
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 23, 14 9:38 AM
Most of us on the right do not really care who you sleep with Phil, what ever your into, but please no displays of public affection

Just think it's a very telling timeline,

obamas like a branch in the wind
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 24, 14 9:57 AM
Seems clear to me, He brought it up to show that this administration is reactionary and does not give a dam about anything but redistribution of wealth and fundamentally changing the county,

It will say what ever is necessary to win elections!
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 24, 14 10:21 AM
He's a boy in a man's world. Pitiful actually, with all the problems we face in today's world He doesn't have the testicular fortitude to lead, just whine.
By bigfresh (4663), north sea on Oct 24, 14 7:05 AM
Well then, get off your *** and run for President tough guy. Since you're so much smarter than a Harvard graduate...
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 24, 14 10:11 AM
.......Trust me, I'm with the Government and I'm here to help.
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 24, 14 10:14 AM
omg, that is very funny, how do you do that?

how fitting, lol
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 26, 14 6:40 PM
Valerie Jarrett Key Player in Fast and Furious Cover-Up After Holder Lied to Congress

OCTOBER 24, 2014
For the Record...
President Obama’s trusted senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, was a key player in the effort to cover up that Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about the Fast and Furious scandal, according to public records obtained by Judicial Watch.
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 24, 14 3:30 PM
Could non-citizens decide the November election?

Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

Data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). says Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 24, 14 5:25 PM
Holder & Obama have used Ferguson to stir up racial hatred & lynch an innocent officer in the process. It was done to get people to vote in the midterms. Now that it is coming out that Officer Wilson was merely doing his job when attacked by a violent thug, the media is silent. Holder knew all this information and yet went to Ferguson to fuel the flames.They need to be punished.

Holder should be held to account for ignoring most of the major parts of the US Constitution, Ferguson is just ...more
Oct 25, 14 8:30 PM appended by joe hampton
Bill Maher: Michael Brown "Was Not A Gentle Giant," "He Was Acting Like A Thug"
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 24, 14 8:30 PM
MORE Americans Renounce Citizenship...

2014 on Pace for Record...
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 25, 14 4:28 PM
Dem's Push for controls on Internet political speech...

If you cant control drudge than just infringe on his rights....

This dose not feel like America anymore feels more like a banana republic...

Same reason they want national control on voting requirements, So they can pass one set of rules that favor early voting with no Id's , well its not going to happen without a fight!




By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 25, 14 4:35 PM
Which brings us to why they want your 2nd amendment rights Joe

So they can take away your 1st, 4th, 6th and 10th, and you will have to live with it!

It is soft tyranny that will erode the Bill of Rights till the Republic falls and is replaced by a socialist state
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 25, 14 4:44 PM
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So, do you truly and honestly believe that our modern military would even attempt or let alone be successful orchestrating a coup?

...
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 25, 14 11:34 PM
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Do you really think we should be so foolish to not have a back up plan just in case. I believe the military would come down on the side of the people for now, Maybe not in 20 years and if they are allowed to confiscate the guns and our insurance against all threats both foreign and domestic at the right time we are finished.
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 26, 14 12:08 AM
looking up 4th and 6th now thanks for challenging me ud
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 26, 14 6:42 PM
Still searching for a candidate brave enough to actually admit voting for Obama confused liberals seek alternatives to Hillary Clinton

KEENE, N.H.—Searching for an alternatives to Hillary Clinton for 2016, some Democratic donors are meeting with potential challengers. Liberal activists are trying to coax Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders into running. Politicians not named Hillary Clinton are testing their appeal in New Hampshire and Iowa.
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 26, 14 10:35 AM
It would be hilarious watching that ignoramus Sanders run, It would almost be as funny as watching Biden at the podium
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 26, 14 8:41 PM
....... Thats it! I'm going to hold my breath till you take that back
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 26, 14 8:56 PM
Matthews: when will Obama be ready to become a real chief executive, not just a speech giver?

The latest Wall Street Journal / NBC News poll says Republicans have soared to a mind-blowing 11 point lead, with voters saying they want a Republican-led Congress by a margin of 52-41. The generic lead for the GOP was only 5 points in the same poll last week.


NEW YORK TIMES: 'DEMOCRATS SHOW OBAMA THEIR TAIL LIGHTS'
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 26, 14 7:24 PM
OBAMA PRESSURES STATES TO REVERSE QUARANTINE ORDERS

What in gods name is the motivation for this mans decisions ?
Oct 26, 14 11:38 PM appended by joe hampton
Referendum on obama in 9 Days
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 26, 14 11:38 PM
There is no RATIONAL explanation for His decision. Maybe pandering to the PC crowd? Ebola victims might be a new minority for Him to suck up to!
By bigfresh (4663), north sea on Oct 27, 14 6:41 AM
to joe hampton & bigfresh:

No matter how much factual information one presents to True Believers, you hew to the ignorance of your faith. You are so committed to finding fault with President Obama that you criticize him for following the Ebola travel protocols recommended by the WHO, the CDC and every recognized epidemiologist in the world to prevent the spread of the disease to our country. It is THEIR expert opinion that a quarantine will make it MORE likely that we will be infected.

In ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 27, 14 8:17 AM
to big head size, I find it very disturbing that you will blindly follow this president over a cliff, the WHO stands for World Health Organization, Mr Obama is the President of the United States not the world. No one has ever explained how not taking precautions to stop people from coming into the country from affected regions or doctors that have spent time there by quarantining them for 21 days is a bad idea. Stop your cheerleading for this man who seems bent on political correctness and his own ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 27, 14 9:22 AM
Stuff this in your hat,

Washington (CNN) -- Nearly 7 in 10 Americans are angry at the direction the country is headed and the majority of Americans disapprove of President Barack Obama's job performance, two troubling signs for Democrats one week before the midterm elections, a new CNN/ORC International Poll shows.
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 27, 14 6:34 PM
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to window gavits:

Quote:

"No one has ever explained how not taking precautions to stop people from coming into the country from affected regions or doctors that have spent time there by quarantining them for 21 days is a bad idea."
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Yes, they have (and "I" have, repeatedly, on this forum [supra]). You simply have a ideologically-driven cognitive disability that prevents your assimilating factual ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 27, 14 10:10 AM
you sir are politician, you just expended 200 words and said absolutely nothing. You are fond of using big words I could speculate what that makes up for. But I know this is a family forum. You carry on about everything you could think of above but never give an intelligent answer to the question. It seems to me and every other intelligent person I speak to on the street Obama is being reckless for the sake of political correctness and narcissism. I will agree with you on one thing Thank God his ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 27, 14 11:02 AM
5 year old boy tested for Ebola in New York
October 27, 2014 AP

5-year-old boy tested for Ebola in NYC at Hospital

A child transported to Hospital Sunday with Ebola symptoms, according to law-enforcement sources.

The child was vomiting and had a 103-degree fever when he was carried from his home by Goverment workers wearing hazmat suits.

Neighbors said. “He looked weak,” said a neighbor.

“He was really, really out of it.”
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 27, 14 12:57 PM
oh my god how terrible

I read the members of the family were being quarantined inside their apartment.

the cdc said we have let the governors of ny and other states know that we have concerns with the unintended consequences that quarantine policies may have on efforts to combat Ebola at its source, the official said.

like widow said "HOW" they keep forgetting to say how that works!

I agree with dan, they want to downplay this until after the election.



By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 27, 14 1:05 PM
Some folks will forgive anything to and i quote "Lean Forward"

We know where he arrived from thats the whole point !

Mandatory 21 day quarantine till this passes period !

Why will obama not protect his country from this plague ?

It really seems he almost wants us to get it in the name of fairness.

why should we have it so good, right Phil
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 27, 14 2:55 PM
......I am from the Government, I am here to help.

They want to downplay this Ebola problem as much as possible until the election.

The NYS Health code is very clear that they can quarantine by force already.

Obama forces Chris Christie into embarrassing U-turn to allow Ebola nurse to leave New Jersey quarantine but does nothing for Marine Sgt. Tahmooressi

Obama sends thousands of soldiers to handle Ebola in Africa but almost no help to Christians and Kurds ...more
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 27, 14 12:52 PM
Imagine if the Federalists were resurrected.

Oh, wait...

The modern GOP has the same core values...
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 28, 14 6:12 PM
Find one piece of Republican legislation in the last six years that favored people over corporations.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 28, 14 11:41 PM
This is why I always say the 10th Amendment is the most important...

The CDC guidelines released today are just that...

The federal government has no authority to demand Christie or Cuomo do anything they are the Governors of there state and the responsibility and consequences lie with them.

React and Quarantine!
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 27, 14 3:11 PM
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to Captn America:

Quote:

"The CDC has been politicized by the Obama administration agenda and is nothing more than a left wing political advocacy group to the detriment of national health, safety and well being. .
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Democrats want to downplay Ebola because it will put a kink in fast tracking the legalization of millions of illegals."
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More ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 28, 14 8:06 AM
Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), says it’s “un-American" for President Barack Obama to consider implementing an executive amnesty for millions of illegal aliens across the country.
“It’s unconstitutional, illegal, and we don’t support it,” Priebus replied when a Tea Party activist asked him about the president’s plans for an executive amnesty on a conference call hosted by TheTeaParty.net on Monday evening.
“I ...more
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 28, 14 8:14 AM
I you don't like the obamas move to try and illegally circumvent congress and let millions of illegals into the country then you will love his new plan to bring people with Ebola to this country for treatment.

Thats right you heard me correct as unbelievable as it seems.

As Judicial Watch has reported, the Obama administration has named dozens of them across the executive branch. Many, like Czar Klain, are unconfirmed by the Senate, largely unaccountable to Congress, and often ...more
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 28, 14 8:50 AM
Oh My God ! joe that cant be real
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 28, 14 8:54 AM
President Reagan's amnesty was supposed to be a one time compassionate solution not to separate family's.

In exchange for the amnesty, the new law was supposed to have beefed up the border and stiffened fines for both the migrant workers in cases of violation.

But the Government Failed this promise and the results of that failure is 12,000 new illegals in our country,

What a mess !
Oct 28, 14 9:04 AM appended by 27dan
you know I meant 12,000,000 don't play stupid
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 28, 14 9:04 AM
I do not bring anybody in from anywhere to work for me. Stop making character assumptions little man.

By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Oct 28, 14 9:07 AM
Phil said "Hey, Joe- didn't you tell us that you bring workers in from Mexico"

Where did he say that ?,

Seems he said that he pays them ( and pretty dam good if you ask me) , not that he brings anyone in from Mexico ?

What is wrong with you anyway?

You should be thanking the man for providing jobs not trying to slander him.
Oct 28, 14 10:17 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Oh, I forgot "He didn't build that"
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 28, 14 10:17 AM
12,000? cool
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Oct 28, 14 10:48 AM
Your just a trouble maker, always on the wrong side of every argument.

What happed to you to make you hate successful people so much ?

You know what don't even answer that I really do not care.

Your small opinion does not matter for much in 7 more days your Robin Hoods power will be striped away and this arrogant spiteful racist boy Kings reign is over
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 28, 14 10:53 AM
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7 more days and Patriots of this Republic can breath once again
Oct 28, 14 12:58 PM appended by 27dan
Republicans enter the final week of the midterm campaign holding higher ground than the Democrats, aided by public dissatisfaction with President Obama’s leadership, with the overall direction of the country and with the federal government’s ability to deal with major problems, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Driving attitudes is a pervasive sense of a country in trouble. Overwhelming majorities say the country is badly off-track and give the economy negative ratings. Economic expectations are little better today than they were at this time four years ago. Six in 10 say they cannot trust the government in Washington to do what is right — the same as a year ago in the aftermath of the government shutdown and the botched rollout of the federal Web site for the Affordable Care Act. With multiple crises confronting the country — including the spread of Ebola in West Africa and cases here at home, as well as threats from Islamic State militants — a majority now says the government’s ability to deal with big problems has declined in the past few years. Among those who say this, more — by 3 to 1 — blame Obama and the Democrats rather than Republicans in Congress.
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 28, 14 12:58 PM
There is no law requiring a small business to provide benefits Phil, thank God. I could not afford to pay my employees as well if I ha to provide health insurance and other bennies. Business is not the enemy Komrade, the left wing of the Demokrat Party is!
By bigfresh (4663), north sea on Oct 28, 14 1:17 PM
Maybe you "pay them well", but does it cost them more for health care as individuals, or as part of a group plan?
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 28, 14 4:39 PM
phillip must have called in sick today with the radical left partisan blues.

The root of problem started with the colonisation of Africa, and it's exploitation since by European nations.
By philathome (8953), Southampton on Oct 21, 14 5:40 PM


whites as a voting block do not vote based on skin color so why is it ok that blacks vote 87-90% for blacks. now tell me who the 'racists' are? do white churches fill buses after church and cart them off to the polls ?. give me a ...more
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 28, 14 1:24 PM
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By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 28, 14 1:37 PM
to 27dan:

Quote:

"7 more days and Patriots of this Republic can breath once again"
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We have been breathing easily (and sleeping soundly) for the last six years, 27dan, and will do so on day 8 and thereafter under the continuing prudent leadership of our commander-in-chief.
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 28, 14 3:25 PM
Send Bishop packing.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Oct 28, 14 6:51 PM
Recommended reading before the election:

Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic, 1789-1815 (Oxford History of the United States) by Gordon S. Wood

"A new addition to the Oxford History of the United States, Wood's superb book brings together much of what historians now know about the first quarter-century of the nation's history under the Constitution. Acknowledged as the leading historian of the period, Wood brings authority and easy style to a tough task—wrestling ...more
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 28, 14 8:36 PM
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If you like the direction of the country and think that we should stay the course, then keep this group of Dems in office. If you think they have failed and will continue to, vote them out. The results speak for themselves, and they aren't pretty. If this vote is based on results and not blind allegiance to party nonsense, then the Dems should get destroyed on Tuesday.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 9:55 AM
Phil - you know how you are voting regardless of who the candidates are. It's not people like you that will determine this election. It will be moderates who base their votes on results and honest assessments. You judge intent, I judge result.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 10:24 AM
"Attacking my right to free speech." Riiiiiiigghhhht....
Any dissenting opinion = Republican, Radical, Lunatic Fringe. We get it, Philly. You have made that point 8978 times. When your sole purpose is to validate your beliefs, your beliefs then become gospel and anything else doesn't compute. Some call it brainwashed. Others call it indoctrinated. It's good to have your place among the lemmings though, right, Philly? I'm voting for Zeldin, Philly. We cancel each other out.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 11:16 AM
They are not Liberals.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 11:31 AM
Hope and change, Philly. Hope and change!!!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 11:32 AM
I direct my vote against Liberalism. That is the only thing that matters here. If the Dems were more Bill Clinton like, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 11:41 AM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 11:44 AM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 12:07 PM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 12:30 PM
No wonder Obama looked like he was holding his breath when he "Hugged" (sorta) the Ebola nurse. Probably had himself decontaminated as soon as she left the room. Every Dem is praying no more "Obola" shows up--until after the election.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Oct 29, 14 7:39 PM
A CNN poll stated 7 of 10 Americans are angry with the direction of the country, and 53% disapprove of Obama's performance. That's a CNN poll, not a right wing media outlet. 53% disapproval rating is a clear sign that the fringe lunatics numbers must have grown. This is before Obama uses his pen on Amnesty. He'll likely leave office a very unpopular president. That will be his gift to Hillary.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 29, 14 8:50 PM
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to Captn America:

You have fallen for a tabloid's sensational and misleading headline. In fact, the CDC has NEVER asserted that it is impossible to transmit Ebola via sneezing or coughing. Here's what the director of the CDC said in response to that very question:

“What if a sick person's wet sneeze hits your hand and then you absentmindedly rub your eyes? Asked about such scenarios recently, Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, allowed ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 30, 14 9:52 AM
to Captn America:

Despite your implication, absolutely nothing in the poster to which you refer contradicts or amends earlier CDC statements about Ebola and its transmission.

In the utter absence of support from epidemiologists, you continue to agitate for the termination of a program that they all agree is the best plan for preventing the spread of Ebola in the United States.

One cannot know whether your objection is down to your egomaniacal preference for your own ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 30, 14 2:38 PM
to Captn America:

Your outrageous diatribe against all those who disagree with you (“a host of dishonest, irresponsible and narcissistic players who seemingly could give a rats ass about their country and neighbors”), a group which includes every respected epidemiologist in the world, indicates the degree to which your cognition has deteriorated since your first appearance on this forum. It also explains the cause of your increasingly outrageous and bizarre opinions and of ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Oct 31, 14 9:50 AM
Ebola is being handled just fine. If people had any idea how many healthy people contract and die of superinfections of ordinary bacteria every year in this country they'd be "splitting" their pants. Plus we have massive infections caused by human and other kinds of pollution in our water systems. Various forms of E. coli and norovirus kill thousands each year. Let's not even mention the 30,000 or so who die of influenza, a preventable illness. And a big thank you from me to all of the volunteers ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Oct 30, 14 3:25 PM
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In other news this week, this seems quite fair considering corporations are "people":

The Law of Mother Earth ("Ley de Derechos de La Madre Tierra") holds the land as sacred and holds it as a living system with rights to be protected from exploitation, and creates 11 distinguished rights for the environment. It was passed by Bolivia's Plurinational Legislative Assembly.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 30, 14 11:18 PM
Hundreds of volunteers have died? No. Towel off, Lib boy. Don't spew any droplets at King Kullen we, the normal people, shop there and that split is contagious. Is Oceania near Atlantis?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Oct 30, 14 11:25 PM
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"To date, more than 240 health care workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died."

Maybe you should fact check before ranting...
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 31, 14 1:19 AM
Pelosi: Obama must stop deportations, allow entry to millions more illegal immigrants

NYT: Immigration practices 'face new scrutiny' after twice-deported immigrant kills cops...

NEW HAMPSHIRE: 71% of New Jobs Go to Foreign Born...
By 27dan (2852), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 31, 14 12:57 AM
Does the government have the right to infringe on the personal freedom of individuals by requiring them to be restricted to their homes for 21 days even if they exhibit no symptoms? absoulutly!




Oct 31, 14 9:32 AM appended by Erin 27 E
ab·so·lute·ly, oops
By Erin 27 E (1278), southampton on Oct 31, 14 9:32 AM
You do not have the rights you do so they may infringe upon, or so that you may harm, or potentially harm other members of our society.

If you are asymptomatic, and test negative for EBOV or it's antibodies that should be grounds for release. Absolutely.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Oct 31, 14 9:42 AM
DNC Won't Denounce Racism As Campaign Tactic: "A Lot Of Different Mechanisms We're Using"

CRAIG MELVIN, MSNBC: The state [Democratic] Party in Georgia using the issue of race to drive African-American turnout there, as you know. Georgia Democratic Party has distributed some fliers warning that if folks don't vote, there will be another Ferguson. In Arkansas, voters also opening mailboxes to images of Ferguson. In North Carolina, Harry Reid's super PAC is running this ad on black radio ...more
Nov 3, 14 9:41 AM appended by They call me
When 93% of a race votes for a guy...it's because of racism
By They call me (2824), southampton on Oct 31, 14 9:41 AM
Ben Stein: Obama "The Most Racist President There Has Ever Been In America"

BEN STEIN: What the White House is trying to do is racialize all politics and especially trying to tell the African-American voters that the GOP is against letting them have a chance at a good life in this economy, and that’s just a complete lie. I watch with fascination — with incredible fascination — all the stories about how the Democratic politicians, especially Hillary, are trying to whip ...more
Nov 3, 14 6:51 PM appended by joe hampton
The Nation was so proud that it elected an African American. Only to find out that we elected an Incompetent, Divisive, Race Card Player who seeks to divide the country unlike any President in our entire history. The cries of racism and sexism coming from the democrats as they get more and more desperate is hilarious. To think this is all obama has to offer the nation. The race card being played unlike we've ever seen it played. Its despicable and so sad, because he promised us so much better but what did you all expect he was a community agitator for ACORN... a member of that despicable black theologian church...this is what community agitators do... This is what Pastor Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, Jr. preached. So I ask you... What did you expect?
By joe hampton (3460), southampton on Nov 3, 14 6:51 PM
Perhaps you have never heard of Franklin Pierce? Or Millard Fillmore?

That has to be one of the stupidest things every uttered by a "right winger", with possibly the exceptions being the religious zealot "Creationists". And, there is a VERY long list besides those...
Nov 4, 14 7:30 AM appended by Mr. Z
For reference, Franklin Pierce probably did more than anybody in history to advance the beginning of the Civil War. That seems like a president pretty devoted to dividing the country. People don't use the derogatory term "Republitards" for nothing, it would seem.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Nov 4, 14 7:30 AM
Women and Americans with a darker skin color are fed up wit the left holding them back. Any hard working American CAN SUCCEED!

Yes YOU CAN !
By Undocumented Democrat (2063), southampton on Oct 31, 14 12:45 PM
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