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Plans to create a mostly invisible Jewish religious boundary in Westhampton Beach are alive and kicking, though a new nonprofit group is behind the latest endeavor, and this time around petitioners are looking to expand beyond the village’s boundaries.
The East End Eruv Association has taken initial steps to create the boundary, known as an eruv, that would not only encircle almost all of Westhampton Beach Village but also the entire hamlet of Quiogue, as well as parts of Quogue Village and the hamlet of Westhampton, according to Westhampton Beach Mayor Conrad Teller.
The Village Board held a special executive session last Wednesday, August 25, to discuss the proposed eruv, a designated area in which Orthodox Jews would be allowed to push and carry objects to temple on the Sabbath—activities that are... more
The East End Eruv Association has taken initial steps to create the boundary, known as an eruv, that would not only encircle almost all of Westhampton Beach Village but also the entire hamlet of Quiogue, as well as parts of Quogue Village and the hamlet of Westhampton, according to Westhampton Beach Mayor Conrad Teller.
The Village Board held a special executive session last Wednesday, August 25, to discuss the proposed eruv, a designated area in which Orthodox Jews would be allowed to push and carry objects to temple on the Sabbath—activities that are... more
BTW: it may sound like "aloud," but in this case it's spelled a-l-l-o-w-e-d.
And it's not a "barrier," but a religious symbol, and if you know your history, wars have been fought over such icons.
However, one must admit that the location is, shall we say, insensitive?
Maybe someday one could be seen as a "bridge", but not today. Too much, too soon.
And exactly WHY would you make such a comparison, anyway?
sirpoochala: "However, because of the Town code it has to be approved."
You have that 180° backward! The Town code does not address this issue either specifically or in the abstract.
The sole requirement is that of Orthodox Judaism.
You can be as "ill" as you wish, but at least get your facts accurate.
here's one example of an eruv: http://www.pjvoice.com/v15/15703eruv.html
so far the only complaints seem to be that "they" might break their own rules...
also: Who makes a sign/symbol religious or not? One man's 2 x 4 is another man's boundry, one man's t is another man's icon.
p.s.
I personally consider viewing the American Flag a religious experience
i'm in WHB either
^ not
How do you then say no to any other religious group?
whoops
The short answer to your final question? : yes.
No.
The Constitution of the United States guarantees anybody's right to be a little crazy in the preferred name of their particular entity. It does no give permission to practice rites.
You don't know that at all!
The polytheistic ideal of many early religions (Sumerians, Phonecians, Greeks, Romans) sought to explain Nature itself, after all.
Apparently, all things must evolve, including religion...
The permission has to do with abiding by the law - a group wants to place an object on an existing object legally - "They" are not seeking permission from "Us" to skirt "their" own rules.
Frankly - you embarrass yourself by posting here.
The only "law" involved here is Orthodox Jewish law, and by the terms of that Orthodox requirement, those who desire an eruv must obtain permission from a Governmental body to erect the eruv.
I'm not certain that Jean is 100% accurate, only that you are 100% wrong. The Orthodox DO require approval (much like a Catholic dispensation or a Planning Board's waiver) to "skirt ...more 'their' own rules."
when this first surfaced a number of years ago, the next time my wife and I were in WHB we asked several stores we were familiar with, and to a one they not only said that they had not been approached by any representative of the temple, but they didn't know any other shop-keepers who had either.
Shock is right -- stop rumor-mongering. They're going to have another war over there, and your type of unsubstantiated gossip isn't going to help!
Most shop owners close their shops for their own observance of the holidays they choose to celebrate, as a business owner I observe my holidays but I choose to keep my businesses open, as I might not work the holidays I have employees that will. I am open all year even Thanksgicing, New Years Day, even last year during the snow storms Baby Shock was ...more OPEN for business and yes even through the snow we had customers, The Bakery was open and so were we.
So STOP spreading Rumors and come out and Support your village.
This is a great village and will remain a great village, demographics change , people move in and out , every year we see old faces and new faces, some stores close and new ones will always take their place,
But don't run this village on ignorance, rumors and fear.
See you on Main St
stop by and enjoy an Ice Cream , mention my comment nd have an Ice Cream on me.
Names? I'll come over there and ask them directly, and if I'm wrong, I'll come back here and acknowledge it.
Put up or shut up.
I already have a job, and now I have a new hobby -- calling out BSers on their BS.
In ...more exchange, we grant them the right to put up the symbolic bits of wire on telephone poles that establish an eruv, specifying closely in the agreement that those symbolic bits be of minimal width and not more than 2" long, PERIOD.
Thus, the symbols establishing an eruv would be permitted and a symbol of bad faith, (the Rabbi's House) would be removed.
Are we a man of God, or a man of GOLD?
"Get away with what you can, until you get caught..."
Of course, bigfresh would never mean to imply that he's trying to keep a specific religious group from living in a certain area. That would be all kinds of illegal, right?
Side note - there is a massive difference between the Orthodox Jews (who already live here, by the way, and has it ruined your life yet?) and the Chassidim who live in Kirias Joel and look to be separate from the rest of the world.
Since the synagogue has no occupancy permit for the illegally altered Rabbi's ...more house, it is useless. Tearing it down and substituting parking spaces, in advance of an order to do so by the Village, would be a welcome signal that it intends, hereafter, to deal in good faith.
Palo Alto City Attorney Gary Baum stated that Palo Alto was "legally compelled" to allow the eruv.
"It's not like erecting a cross or a Star of David or any symbol of any religion because all it is is a fishing line," he said.
"It's not symbolic in any way, which is why it's not a mixture of church and state."
http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/show_story.php?id=5277
Please describe or post links for how the twine was installed, and by whom. Was it a continuous length of twine, and if so, at what level above the ground?
Thank you.
On second thought, it would be better not to make the deal that I described above. The eruv needs to be maintained. If the string breaks somewhere along its length, the eruv is destroyed. I can see continuous expense and confrontation between the utilities and the synagogue ...more about who maintains it; who pays for its maintenance, and its rank in importance vis a vis the utilities using the telephone poles.
Recalling the abysmal record of manipulation and bad faith that enabled the construction of the Hamptons Synagogue, its a bad idea to extend its influence across the Village.
My Brother and Sister!!!
Hail to the Noodly Appendage- may the religious zealots be touched and saved!
www.venganza.org
More like a state of mind, and being...
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made "
~Rolling Stones, "Sympathy for the Devil" (1968)
Sometimes, it sounds like "pontificate", instead of "for ten decades", but either way, eh?