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Sep 15, 2009 5:04 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Report says anti-immigrant atmosphere in Suffolk County fuels violence

Sep 15, 2009 5:04 PM

Latino immigrants live in fear in Suffolk County, where hate crimes are rampant and elected officials either fuel the fire with their own anti-immigrant rhetoric or do little to help victims of racial violence, according to a report recently released by a national think tank, the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The organization, based in Montgomery, Alabama, has written extensively about the anti-immigrant movement nationwide and began its investigation in Suffolk County after Marcelo Lucero, an Ecuadorian immigrant, was beaten and stabbed to death by a group of teenagers in Patchogue last November. SPLC Researchers traveled north and conducted more than 70 interviews with Latinos living in Suffolk County and more than 30 interviews with local religious leaders, human rights activists, community organizers and small business owners.

Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy, whom the report targeted for being an “enabler” of anti-immigration sentiment toward Latinos, dismissed the report as one-sided and charged that the center did not contact county authorities for their side of the story.

The center reported a pattern of hate-fueled abuse that had been festering for years, driven by an anti-immigrant climate fostered by community leaders and law enforcement practices. Numerous personal accounts from victims of physical violence are documented. In such an environment, the report writes, many Latinos are reluctant to report crimes.

“Just from day to day contact with folks, this is exactly what people are feeling,” said Dan Hartnett, a social worker in the East Hampton School District, who spends a lot of time among the Latino community in the schools and among religious groups. The school district is approximately 40 percent Latino.

“What’s in the report is nothing new if you are a Latino, but it’s extremely significant for public officials and local community leaders and I hope people do read it and inquire and want to discuss it,” he said.

Besides an analysis of the researchers’ findings, the center assembled a 10-year timeline of hate crimes, including a case in November 2005 when Luis Ochoa, the president of Latin American Solidarity, an advocacy group, was run off the road in Montauk by Mark Dombrowski, who then allegedly beat Mr. Ochoa while yelling ethnic slurs at him. Mr. Dombrowski was at first charged with a felony assault for a hate crime, but the case was later dismissed because prosecutors concluded that the assault did not cause serious enough injuries to warrant a felony prosecution.

The list also included an October 2006 incident when three Latino teenagers were lured into a shed in East Hampton and threatened with a chainsaw and machete for 90 minutes while the captor, a neo-Nazi skinhead, yelled racial slurs and “White power!” He was charged as a juvenile with reckless endangerment and menacing.

Isabel Sepulveda de Scanlon, the director of the Organización Latino Americana, said that the report was not a surprise, and that of its five recommendations for confronting hate crimes and violence toward Latinos, she most agreed with the education component.

“I think when you go into these hate crimes, to me it’s a lack of education—being close-minded to other cultures and other religions,” Ms. Sepulveda de Scanlon said. She said the school districts, especially East Hampton, needed more minority teachers to be role models. She also said that more local politicians and elected officials should hire a liaison to the Latino community in their offices.

The SPLC report particularly targets Mr. Levy, calling him “the enabler,” and writing that “he isn’t the only Long Island politician bashing immigrants. But he is the most important.” A special section is devoted to recounting incidents in which the report makes a case that Mr. Levy exhibited anti-immigrant sentiment.

Mr. Levy wrote in a prepared statement via e-mail that the SPLC report was completed without one interview with the county executive, the county police commissioner, the district attorney or any law enforcement officials. Mr. Levy refuted most of the claims made against him and wrote, “had law center representatives contacted us, the report could have been factual—for instance it could have pointed out that crime victims and witnesses are not asked about their documented status when reporting a crime—and that this is a police department policy.”

Heidi Beirich, the project manager for the SPLC report, said in a phone interview that the report’s writer, David Holthouse, had in fact contacted Mr. Levy twice in May and left messages with his secretary.

“Levy is flat out wrong. We did contact him,” she said. “We think it’s important to talk to him given his track record for anti-immigrant comments and because of the terrible incidents we were finding in Suffolk County.”

Mr. Levy said that his office has rolled out several initiatives over the last year to enhance and promote tolerance and acceptance in the communities and schools, including a 30-second public service announcement and the county’s first Student Congress for Justice, which encourages students to develop and deploy their own programs to combat intolerance.

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Not much substantiation her for hate crimes being, "rampant". One murder, a beating, and a skinhead threat, since 2005.
By highhatsize (3567), East Quogue on Sep 15, 09 8:20 PM
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In Obama's Amerika we are all racist.
By hamptons surfer (79), southampton on Sep 16, 09 6:29 AM
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One needs not even read the responses to know the majority will be representative of the very hate and bigotry of which the article speaks. People like hamptons surfer who wallow in their ignorance are, thankfully, not representative of the average American. They just feel they have the most to lose so they are the most vocal. Their postings say, "Look at me! Look at me!" but contain nothing substantial or of worth to anyone beyond themselves.

Thank you, Southampton Press, for taking ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 16, 09 8:08 AM
Anti-immigrant atmosphere in Suffolk County fuels violence...hmmmm...ya think?
By eastendlocal (28), southampton on Sep 16, 09 8:32 AM
Violence is not the answer but people are fed up.
What has illegal immigration done? Here are a few wonderful tidbits

Additional burden on our schools and our taxes increase.
Additional burden on our hospitals and our insurance increases.
Not knowing who is living in our neighborhoods.
Over crowded homes and our property value decreases.
Day laborers lining the streets and leaving trash in their wake.
Gangs!!!
Additional burden to our prison system.
Uninsured ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 16, 09 9:22 AM
Wow, slightly rediculous. Number one, the article incorrectly states the issue as "Anti-Immigrant",instead of "Anti-Illegal-Immigrant." Most legal immigrants do not even have respect for the ones who came here illegally. There is a big difference. Perhaps the group who made that botched report should have done some more research; including police reports of everyone who's had their car hit by an illegal who then sped away because thery had no license or insurance, with no regard to whether or ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 9:52 AM
When the Italians first came to this great country decades ago, they were viewed much the same as the Latinos are today. The one indisputable difference is that the Italians came here for a better life for themselves, they LEARNED the language and they became Americans by paying taxes and defending this country. They EARNED their right to this life. The Latinos on the other hand send all their money back to the country of origin to support it, they suck this system dry by having the government ...more
By The Patriot (7), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 09 10:00 AM
Another slanted innacuracy:

"Mr. Dombrowski was at first charged with a felony assault for a hate crime, but the case was later dismissed because prosecutors concluded that the assault did not cause serious enough injuries to warrant a felony prosecution."

In other words: Mr. Ochoas injuries did not match up with what he claimed had happened, but instead more closely matched Dombrowskis claim, that Ochoa was trying to hurl a large rock and Mark disarmed him. Much like me going ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 10:07 AM
It seems that you know Mr. Dombrowski.
By let'stryagain (21), WestHampton Beach on Sep 22, 09 2:25 PM
The researchers said they observed evidence of unequal enforcement and racial profiling in the courts and police blotters, as Latinos account for only 14 percent of the county population, but on a typical day in court, composed nearly 50 percent of the defendants, and in the local newspapers, 50 percent of the drivers fined for moving violations had Latino surnames.

But then:

“Just from day to day contact with folks, this is exactly what people are feeling,” said Dan Hartnett, ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 10:23 AM
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To me this makes no sense, that same guy in this photo holding the American flag never spent a day in the Armed Forces. To help put an end to all this immigrant drama. If your going to be an American born or immigrated you should join the Armed Forces this gives you value and helps you understand why you shouldn't be holding an American flag that states when you jumped the fence you broke the law. President Fox of Mexico said it best that the Mexican immigrants [you'll only find a hand full here] ...more
By let'stryagain (21), WestHampton Beach on Sep 16, 09 10:35 AM
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Hmmmmm. This is a subject that is very close to me and my family. I am from a Spanish family born on the east end but my parent immigrated here in the 60’s. Now I have a family of my own and work out here in a profession that deals with immigrants on a daily basis. The problem I have always had is that I believe you can still be true to your country of decent and even show pride, but never forgetting that it is this country that allows us to live in a safe, comfortable, and in peace – for the ...more
By DOTTS76 (8), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 16, 09 12:27 PM
If anyone is to be offended, it should be the group that continues to break the law. Illegal is just that - breaking the law. Not carrying insurance is illegal. Working under the table and not paying taxes is illegal. And English is not officially our language - that needs to be changed. Failure to learn the language, failure to respect the country, and failure to follow the laws is what boils people who are doing everything by the book. Using our emergency room as a doctors office makes us ...more
By Amahalo (20), East Hampton on Sep 22, 09 7:54 PM
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The sad part is that too many people automatically assume that illegal and Hispanic are interchangeable and also that non Hispanic means not illegal. Some of the complaints made have legitimacy as far as the congregating and some of the trash issues, however, do I need to point out the slob in the car in front of you who is white and has a job who throws out his McDonalds garbage as he drives down the highway? And what about the employer who is also white who hires as many "illegals" as he can and ...more
By crankypaul (4), Patchogue on Sep 16, 09 1:45 PM
"One needs not even read the responses" So who exactly is "wallowing in their ignorance," here, PEOPLEFIRST? By definition, you are pre-juding, therefore prejudiced. Considering your particular POV, you probably don't care, but it's no less bigoted than that which your rail against. Remember, there are other perspectives, no less valid than yours.

"The researchers said they observed evidence of unequal enforcement and racial profiling in the courts and police blotters" First one needs context, ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1793), Northampton on Sep 16, 09 2:08 PM
Agree that article needs to differentiale between legal immigration and illegal immigration. I am pro immigration but anti illegal imigration. People should be able to immigrate here to make a better life for themselves and thier families but should do so within the laws of this country and contribute to society by paying taxes, assimilating, learning the language, etc.

If you think illegal immigration is not a problem keep your head buried in the sand until it bites you on the a$$.

if ...more
By fishy (89), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 2:09 PM
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Thank you for this very important article which highlights the REAL dangers of anti-immigrant rhetoric and hate. This rhetoric is fueled by the myth that immigration is a drain on our system, when in fact it is a net benefit. Open more legal channels for migration and support fair immigration reform that will bring everyone safely and equally under the law. Immigrants have always been the fuel of our nation and they will always continue to be. This isn't the talk of some lefty human rights dreamer ...more
By wombystar (1), Newport Beach on Sep 16, 09 2:23 PM
I keep seeing people post about immigration is good, Immigration is good. The fact is people arent complaining about immigration, we are complaining about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
By truepatriot (7), Shelter Island on Sep 10, 10 6:49 PM
This is all a bunch of nonsense...the basic fact is the legal status of these people and the drain they place on our county, state and country...I am a hospital nurse, and I see, every single day, the unbelievable number of illegals admitted to my facility. They run up huge bills, don't pay, take up beds that citizens with insurance could use, and basically disregard all rules, with the "me no english..." excuse...All the complaints here are relevant...Any organization that advocates for illegal ...more
By xynurse (1), rocky point on Sep 16, 09 3:48 PM
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People say that they are against illegal immigration. Fine so am I. The problem comes when these same people paint all Latinos with the same brush. Day Laborer does not equal illegal immigrant. That's the problem with Bigotry...its not based on facts...but rather on perception and fear. No one is saying that illegal immigration is right. However, its not okay to harm someone just because you may think that they are illegal. Its no better than the KKK lynching Negros back in the day. No one cared ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Sep 16, 09 4:02 PM
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I want to know who's grandparents or great grandparents collected government handouts, avoided taxes, stood on the street all day looking for work, did not bother to learn english, sent their kids to school that had specailized language classes, and had organizations to help find loopholes and find ways to avoid the authorities?

Mine didn't. My grandparents worked very hard to survive and provide for their family. They did not ask for handouts or have government documents in other languages ...more
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Sep 16, 09 4:47 PM
I wish there would be a way to legalize all these people that way they HAVE to obey by the laws of this great country, until that happens people will keep getting mad at latino immigrants only (there are other ethnicities too in this country, not only them) they will keep hiding, citizens will keep getting more upset and it will become a bigger mess than it already is with nothing to be done about it!!!

There has to be a comprehensive migratory reform NOW!!!!
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 16, 09 5:02 PM
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I'm so tired of hearing all this garbage poor illegal immigrants the bottom line is the law is the law if you are going to hold up the law for the illegal immigrant then you must hold up the law for the tax payers and eject the illegals this isn't brain surgery when they jumped the fence they broke the law and they better do some thing before what is going on in areas t like Brentwood happens out here on the East End. I'm talking about "gangs" like MS-13 they definitely have the numbers here already ...more
By rich4411 (9), Hampton Bays on Sep 16, 09 5:31 PM
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Anti-immigrant atmosphere fuels violence anywhere. And it's all because extremists are being condoned by the media to spread hate that leads to such violence. Just take a look at Lous Dobbs and the lies he is allowed to spread...http://www.dropdobbs.com/
By marmara33 (1), Teaticket on Sep 16, 09 5:40 PM
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If you don't like the stats below then contact your local and federal govt officials and let them know. Complaints without action are just a waste of time.
Who's on the side of the tax payer???

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* Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in New York and documented costs of K-12 schooling, New Yorkers spend more than $4.3 billion annually on education for the children of illegal immigrants. This estimate does not include programs for limited English ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 16, 09 6:28 PM
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Kill the little beasties after all they forced their way into the country then forced themselves on the worksites and forced the law enforcement community not to investigate the hiring practices of their employers! Powerful little buggers got to go!
By youteast (11), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 6:33 PM
youteast: kill them?? violence will only get you more violence, migratory reform NOW!!!! they want to be here?
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 16, 09 6:45 PM
Allow me to reiterate for the few who agree with this nonsensical, innacurate piece of bad reporting. Anti-illegal-immigration does NOT equate to anti-immigrant. Apples and oranges. Immigrants came here to have a new life, and they did so with enough respect for this country that they did not take "the easy way" and figuratively spit on the ones who did things the legal, respectful way. Immigrants who come here do not in any way want to take advantage of the people who have been here the way ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 8:58 PM
"Each time I use white guys on my jobs things are stolen. Ladders, extension cords, tools of every which description, light bulbs and even toilet paper.

The Latin crew I use are a) highly respectful, b) enormously multi-talented (this is a concept lost on the white man), c) and trustworthy. I find the Latins kind, considerate and full of empathy.

These basic considerations make the Latins quite pleasant to work with. These social traits are devoid in most of the white community ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 9:02 PM
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To pstevens,
I agree, whole-heartedly with all of your points. and I would like to elaborate on your quote, "The problem comes when these same people paint all Latinos with the same brush." - which is true. But on a counter point, there is a large number of people, as well, who oppose illegal immigration who aren't bigots or racist. Many of them avoid a healthy discussion of the issue due to the worry that they will be painted with the same brush as the "Nazi poster-person and his psychiatric ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 16, 09 9:05 PM
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And don't worry, I did indeed report Mr. Ryder for his racist rant. Such blatent comments should not be allowed in a civilized discussion on a public newspapers website. We shall see if this relatively new paper can be respectful enough to remove the filth that was written above.
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 16, 09 9:08 PM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 16, 09 9:30 PM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 16, 09 9:43 PM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 16, 09 9:56 PM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 16, 09 9:57 PM
ms. ruby

Another slanted innacuracy:
"Mr. Dombrowski was at first charged with a felony assault for a hate crime, but the case was later dismissed because prosecutors concluded that the assault did not cause serious enough injuries to warrant a felony prosecution."

In other words: Mr. Ochoas injuries did not match up with what he claimed had happened, but instead more closely matched Dombrowskis claim, that Ochoa was trying to hurl a large rock and Mark disarmed him. Much like ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 16, 09 11:41 PM
I just wish my government would round them up and send them home.

You know, kinda like Mexico does to people from Central America that enter Mexico without going through the right channels.

By NYC (7), Amagansett on Sep 17, 09 1:33 PM
Hey Mr editor, why did you take off 5 of my bolgs? There was no foul language or personal attacks. I posted three very well thought out ideas, and they were all taken down. I then reposted one of them, and it too was taken down. I posted that same blog for a third time and said at the end of it "this is the third time I've posted this" and it was also taken down. Whats the deal with your censorship policy?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 17, 09 1:37 PM
Just FYI, folks:

A few posts were taken down; some of them are back up now. As I've said before, we're struggling a little with a coherent policy for managing comments on the site. We will take down duplicate comments, and we reserve the right to remove comments that use profanity, are off topic, involve purely personal attacks, are potentially libelous, or are otherwise inappropriate. We're going to try to err on the side of allowing commenting, though--just try to keep it civil and on ...more
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 09 2:06 PM
P.S. Allow me to just throw this bit of information out there, to stir the pot:

I've spoken personally with the CEO of Southampton Hospital, and he has confirmed to me, emphatically, that illegal immigrants make up only a very tiny portion of the unreimbursed expenses at the hospital, and are insignificant when it comes to the hospital's financial difficulties. In fact, it is uninsured American citizens who pose a much greater drain on hospital finances.
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 09 2:08 PM
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Thank you for your input Mr Shaw. I realize that most of my comments did, in fact, refer to another post from other parties that have also been removed.

On a different note, if the hospital is, in fact, having financial difficulties than It's probably not a good thing that they build an expensive "day spa" their for patrons. See the related article on this site.(" Southampton Hospital opens new wellness institute this week")
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 17, 09 2:33 PM
Mr. Shaw, do you really believe that this comment by youteast should remain on this board: "Kill the little beasties after all they forced their way into the country then . . ." There must be limitations especially when the poster advocates killing.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Sep 17, 09 2:53 PM
A quick read through the posts here and you will find such vile hate and bigotry that it is almost beyond belief. This is the Northeast people, not the deep south. The truth is that very soon white people will be a minority and those of you that espouse hate and violence will find yourselves even more marginalized than you are now.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 17, 09 2:59 PM
Sadly, most of my writings are from personal experience. After a few frightening incidents walking past the train station in EH, I was no longer permitted to walk to town from the high school when I was a student. A couple of years later when the police tried to make some kind of helpful enforcement of the area, they were labelled as racists. I've personally seen the car accidents (my little brother was involved with one that totalled his car and the girl who sped off did nothing more than pay ...more
By RubyBaby (28), East Hampton on Sep 17, 09 3:25 PM
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@dagdavid

I may be mistaken, but I read that as a sarcastic comment. You can take exception to the message, or the choice of words, but I don't think it's sincerely meant to be a suggestion of violence. It's hyperbole, and I think most people will see that.

No question, I am dismayed by the intensity of some of the messages on the board. I'm also heartened by some of the intelligent ones.
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 09 3:30 PM
Mr. Shaw, you are giving the readers here too much credit.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 17, 09 3:32 PM
@ people first
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 09 3:40 PM
sorry...

@ people first

Nah, this is healthy. An exchange of ideas is the only way we move forward. Pretending an ugly sentiment doesn't exist, or keeping it quiet, doesn't make it go away.
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 09 3:41 PM
Very well said Mr. Shaw!!!
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 17, 09 4:56 PM
Government, especially local, continues to drop the ball on the issue of humans migrating to America, for what ever reason. We ,as a nation, should welcome all immigrants to this great country and help them become good tax paying citizens, after all some of us and all of us are in someway related to immigrants who realized America had something special to offer. What is needed is a way to identify everyone. Encrypted licenses and encrypted license looking IDs., but nobody has the right to come ...more
By Johnny Nova (83), Northampton on Sep 17, 09 8:29 PM
Faceless, Listen, I understand you are afraid of the future. Afraid of diversity. Afraid of "brown" people. Yes, white folks will soon be a minority. There is nothing racist about that assertion. It is a fact. A fact that has the likes of you shaking in your boots so you lash out in hatred and ignorance. Good luck to you.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 17, 09 8:32 PM
RubyBaby, where is your indignation when non-Hispanics commit crimes? Because your boss dumped you to hire cheap labor you turn on Hispanics?! Why not turn on your boss and the legislation that allows him to get away with it? Why not fight the powerful instead of the weak? Because it is easier to place blame on those least able to defend themselves?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 17, 09 8:37 PM
I am really surpriced that many of the people that commented about immigrants, do not know much. I tried to educate the Legislators for the last 15 years about immigrants and also a Board of Education, but they are not willing to learn. You can not change the minds of people who hate immigrants, eventhough their parents or grandparents were immigrants. We have to teach the children in the schools about immigrants, they can not learn from their parents.
Immigrants who have children in school ...more
By learnmore (1), Babylon on Sep 17, 09 9:26 PM
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Learnmore, you are right on. Unfortunately, you cannot convince the fearful using facts, but it is always important to try and squeeze in some truth between all the ignorant ranting and raving.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 8:13 AM
Faceless, WOW! Such anger and hate. Do you really think you are helping your cause with such postings. I may not agree with many of the posters here, but your responses do nothing to move along the conversation. Perhaps you have a reasonable solution to the immigration problem? If so, then use that to make your point instead. Lashing out at immigrants and their supporters in such a childish manner only serves to help their cause.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 9:02 AM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 18, 09 9:27 AM
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By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 18, 09 9:54 AM
"I tried to educate...about immigrants and also a Board of Education, but they are not willing to learn. You can not change the minds of people who hate immigrants" WOW!! That is a bold accusation of racism. Which school has a school board like this, learnmore? I'll go after them myself. This is confusing to me, most of the schools on the east end bend over backwards to accomadate immigrants. Please, let me know which school this is. (because I think you're lying)
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 18, 09 10:39 AM
Also learnmore, I am a US citizen- born and raised. I work (landscaping) side-by-side with illegal immigrants all day. In fact, I consider them to be some of my closest friends. Out of the dozens of immigrants (legal or illegal) with which I need to converse each week, usually about half of them do not speak any english, nor do they understand it. Lucky for me, I (the American) speak spanish fluently. So much for your theory on that.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 18, 09 10:46 AM
What is and what is known ot most people are sad truths. Before they said the Haitian population was the cuase of Aids in America proven to be false but tell the Haitians that were abused mentally and even killed. They say that Black women are the highest on welfare in some of these town hall meeting, false they are more white families on welfare than single black women. I am against sex before marriage but it goes to show you people believe what they want to believe fact checking and truthing ...more
By let'stryagain (21), WestHampton Beach on Sep 18, 09 10:47 AM
AlwaysLocal,I recall just a couple of years ago that one of the east end school board members had sent out a bunch of racist emails to hundreds of parents. I can't remember the details, but It was covered in this very newspaper.

Our country says that every kid deserves an education, regardless of parent's legal status. I think that is great. And remember, you have to live in a district in order for your children to attend which means you pay property taxes, either on your own or through ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 10:56 AM
The illegals need to pay there fair share. No more mooching off hard working tax payers in this country. Go through the legal channels to become a US Citizen, pay your taxes or get out
By razza5350 (1895), East Hampton on Sep 18, 09 11:08 AM
HERE IS THE SOLUTION TO END THESE COMMENTS ... DO NOT HIRE THEM ... IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ME WHAT I MEAN TO SAY IS DO NOT HIRE THEM DO NOT HIRE THEM DO NOT HIRE TEHM DO NOT HIRE THEM ... Once you do this we'll se the truth about some people out here holding signings and yet hiring them because the price is good and not to bad. I over heard conversations where someone said I'll just go down to 711 and get someone to do it for a few bucks. What about the illegal European nannies shacking our ...more
By let'stryagain (21), WestHampton Beach on Sep 18, 09 11:15 AM
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While I agree morally you should not hire them the reality of the situation is there is always someone who will to obtain cheaper labor and make more profit. The people doing the right thing are put at a competitve disadvantage. Maybe we should start arresting the people who do hire them or reform the system so they have to pay taxes to receive any services in our country.
By razza5350 (1895), East Hampton on Sep 18, 09 12:48 PM
I think that my stance on this issue has not been clear. Give them all amnesty. I'm fine with that. The main reason that they come to this country in such great numbers is because to seek a better life and future. Thats admirable. I don't care who is here legally or illegally, they all want to prosper--and thats wonderful. My problem, however, lies with the fact that an overwhelming majority of illegal (not legal) immigrants are not subject to the same income tax as a US citizen. Now, yes ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 18, 09 1:00 PM
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only a third local. How about state tax, town tax and tax on most goods you buy. try more like 50% if you are lucky
By razza5350 (1895), East Hampton on Sep 18, 09 2:18 PM
Oh I forgot the new fishing tax. It will cost you something like 250 buck for a life time fishing license. Next time I take my kids snapper fishing bam 750 bucks
By razza5350 (1895), East Hampton on Sep 18, 09 2:19 PM
I will try to be logical and unemotional. Let's have a national referendum. Let's ask the US citizens if they want millions of illegal immigrants to come in and stay in this country. Let's ask them if they want to accommodate them with regards to language, special classes, health care, etc. If it is truly the will of the majority of the US citizens then let's make it so. Otherwise we need to find a way to keep them out and maybe send the ones that are already here home. This country still ...more
By darwin (47), southampton on Sep 18, 09 2:33 PM
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you're right. We did have a referendum - last november - and the people spoke loudly and clearly. But hey, you still have Glenn Beck and Rush Limbo. Have a nice life!
By littleplains (305), olde england on Sep 22, 09 1:27 PM
Darwin, what does that mean "our country"? Why are you and your family more entitled than anyone else to emigrate from their homeland to this country and call it yours? This is a country of immigrants, a great majority of whom, just like the current wave of immigrants, came here legally and then overstayed their visas.

Southamton183, your point regarding the US taking parts of the country from Mexico is an extremely important piece of factual history. Unfortunately, I fear it falls ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 4:50 PM
We have to deal with the here and now. Unless you want to go back to Adam and Eve, lol. Yes, if anyone stays past their visa they should get deported no matter where they come from unless they claim sanctuary for legitimate reasons and go through the required steps. And it became a threat when millions of people demonstrated in the streets with the flags of their nations and demanded the same rights of US citizens without becoming citizens, paying taxes, serving in the armed forces, etc. I'm ...more
By darwin (47), southampton on Sep 18, 09 4:57 PM
To Yearrounder, do you mean that you don't respect the sovereignty of the United States of America? Do you mean that the citizens of this country do not have the right to repell foreign nationals on its soil? That we have to meekly accept any invading force? I'm sorry - that doesn't seem right to me. I think we'd better wake up and look around a bit. Some people are trying to give our country away right out from under us.
By darwin (47), southampton on Sep 18, 09 5:27 PM
Darwin, You ignore the facts in favor of blanket statements. A large percentage of those here illegally have taxpayer id's and PAY taxes because they know they have to if they want to become citizens. They contribute to our economy because they must have a place to live, they must eat and they must travel from place to place. They try to learn to speak English - I know because I volunteer teach ESL classes. And thousands of children of "illegals" serve and die in our military every year.

If ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 6:04 PM
"It trully seems like the issue at hand was not a heated, national threat until minorities were the problem"-- Darwin

Are you kidding me? Every single group of immigrants in this country were discriminated against, and treated lke crap. Most of them never had advocacy groups trying to help them like todays immigrants, but they pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and overcame adversity anyway.
To say that there is tension because alot of immigrants today are classified in minority ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 18, 09 6:06 PM
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Yeah, most immigrant groups did not have the aid of concerned, caring citizens like AlwaysLocal to help them along the way.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 18, 09 9:21 PM
screw the mexicans give our country back to the indians. They were here first
By razza5350 (1895), East Hampton on Sep 18, 09 9:28 PM
some of you have some malevolent thoughts.

Why don't you go after the people who are giving the illegal a jobs.
to fix this problem you have to start at the seed of the problem.
By jjcc (2), Hampton bays on Sep 19, 09 4:38 AM
I agree with "hampton surfer"!!!!!!!!
By Pocholo (13), Westhampton on Sep 19, 09 10:18 AM
alwayslocal & darwin:
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many immigrant groups had a variety of assistance from affinity groups that often still exist today for the same purpose
the settlement houses in large cities & the AJC assisted Jews with language classes, housing, medical care, etc.
Knights of Columbus did same for Italian folks
Holy Name Society & Hiberians for the Irish
& I could go on. But yr point is baffling. If every imnmigrant group had to go through abuse, hate crime, racism why would you ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 09 11:33 AM
Ms Ruby,
Your presentation of facts concerning the Dombroski case are incorrect. The injuries sustained were noted by the officers in their report. Secondly, those injuries were confirmed by the doctor who Mr. Ochoa went to 3 days after the event.
It is a red herring in any event, because there is no test of severity of physical injury in the NY State statutes on hate crime. I will repeat for you to allow it to sink in, even threatening a person is against the law and accompanied with racial ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 09 11:49 AM
Patriot:
What do you mean when Italians immigrated here decades ago they earned the right to stay because they didn't send money home, learned to speak English, did not commit crime, worked hard & didn't take welfare? Are you that woefully ignorant of Italian immigrant experience. In many Italian neighborhoods Italian was spoken. A friends grandmother who came here as an adult spoke only Italian her entire life, but had no trouble because in her neighborhood so did most people. Today's immigrants ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 09 12:12 PM

double standard & alwayslocal,
about paying taxes: this is an other area of deep ignorance. Taxes must be taken out by the employer, it is against the law if he does not. You cannot blame immigrants for not paying FICA taxes. Most do pay income taxes & sales taxes, property taxes and gov fees. The money paid into Social Security "rainy day fund" is not just a few billion with a b dollars, but try 500 billion, a 1/2 trillion
not the 150 million stated by ?.
Without the money put ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 09 12:28 PM
editor,
after reading comments it is difficult to look up who said what to go back to quote in order to pinpoint the rebuttal one is trying to make. Can't comments be made directly on comments so the thread is more manageable and make easier reading? thanks
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 09 12:33 PM
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Wow...alot of comments on this issue....I must add mine...I attended a meeting of OLA with Isabel Sepulveda de Scanlon....it was the most bias white man hateing group ever to come into this community. It served only one purpose-to intimidate local citizens and to tell illegal immigrants how to "if you break the law-any law to not tell anyone" just to stay here.
As for her quote on education....she stated"the school districts, esp. EH, needed more minority teachers to be role models. She also ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 20, 09 8:00 AM
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United states Citizen, You are, quite simply, one of the most bigoted, closed-minded people ever. I attended the exact same OLA meeting you refer to so I am pretty sure I know who you are and I can testify that you are no less boorish in person than you are in print.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 20, 09 6:28 PM
You know you can always go to name calling...so I wasn't surprised by your comment ---you could care less about the poor...you never fulfill the true needs of this community -so, how can you fulfill the needs of those from third world countries!
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 22, 09 11:17 AM
You can all argue back and forth all you want. The bottom line is, this is our country by law. We uphold the Constitution of the Unites States and we will defend our country no matter what names you call us and no matter how you try to intimidate us and no matter how many allies (traitors) you get on your side. If you don't like that, you are cordially invited to return to your third world country. Please, don't tread on us.
By darwin (47), southampton on Sep 21, 09 10:43 AM
Faceless, you should be embarrassed to have posted such childish gibberish. "Is 'mo' short of moron." Your parents should really consider limiting your internet time.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 21, 09 10:51 AM
Darwin - evolve
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 21, 09 10:52 AM
Unless you are an Native American, shut up! For the rest of us, our Granparents came to this country from another country for the same reason, WORK! Not all of them came in legally either.
By hamptoniteforlife (15), WHB on Sep 21, 09 11:16 AM
You can try, but you cannot justify being in this country illegally. Try telling that to ICE.
By darwin (47), southampton on Sep 21, 09 2:15 PM
@mo: "editor, after reading comments it is difficult to look up who said what to go back to quote in order to pinpoint the rebuttal one is trying to make. Can't comments be made directly on comments so the thread is more manageable and make easier reading? thanks"

In fact, I believe we're working on exactly that kind of arrangement for comments--so that responses to specific comments will follow in a thread, to make it easier to respond, and to better organize the various threads. Coming ...more
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on Sep 21, 09 5:57 PM
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The function to reply to an individual comment is available now. Just click "Reply" in between "Like" and "Report as inappropriate"
By BOReilly (133), Hampton Bays on Sep 22, 09 9:21 AM
Just a simple question that requires bno name calling....in order to vote one must be a citizen...correct?To be a citizen one must speak and understand english, right? Why then are there signs and instructions at the voting booth in spanish? To also comment on other nationalities being here legally, last time I checked I was not prompted to press 2 for german. I have yet to hear instructions in french when I call my health insurance company.
By squeaky (288), hampton bays on Sep 22, 09 7:19 AM
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call oxford health insurance, they mention every single language, and have a line exclusive for mandarin speakears.
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 22, 09 1:31 PM
Hey, squeaky, you may not like it, but that is the America we live in. So instead of fighting against it with the same old, tired arguments and expecting the entire country to agree with you, adapt to it. This is no longer the America of the powerful white male. Women and minorities now have a place at the table and they've earned it.

In most other democratic, industrialized nation in the world people embrace multiple languages and we should do so here as well. Does that sign at ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 8:22 AM
I find it hysterical that some of you can't respond to or follow comments - made in English - yet want everyone in the USA to learn a second or third language. How on earth are we going to communicate if everyone is speaking a different language & half of us can't even follow ENGLISH anymore? For all of you who think we should start speaking in our ancestral tongues, try wandering into a hospital and asking for help in Russian or French and see how far you get.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 9:16 AM
Ms. Q, It has been shown that learning a second language improves your first language grammar and usage. How many French and Russian speaking people live in the U.S.? Your argument is pointless.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 9:22 AM
If I broke into your home and took your money would you defend me with the "he's only trying to support his family" argument? No, because that action is illegal and I would be violating your rights.
So Latinos coming into the country illegally and putting heavy burdens on our schools, hospitals and judicial system should be tolerated because "they are only trying to support their families?" I'm taxed and paying for the same services that illegal immigrants are getting for free. Therefor I'm ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 22, 09 11:04 AM
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If is not about race why are only latinos being mentioned, there are so many races here...
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 22, 09 1:25 PM
And which race is the main the main culprit? I don't care if you are from the moon... if you are here illegally you have broken the law. But you can keep avoiding the facts and hide behind the easiest card to play... race. I'll be happy to have a debate based on data.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 22, 09 1:48 PM
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By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 2:08 PM
ha, ha.
what criminals do you know come into your home and clean it, watch your children, bathe your dog, cook your meals, cut your grass, paint your house?
Immigrants do not put a heavy burden on our services, they are net contributors to our economy. do you know that 60% of doctors in NY hospitals are immigrant? immigrants pay taxes bub, lots of them, and will never see a return on them for their own retirement or ever qualify for Medicare after giving all their muscle, sweat, blood & ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 24, 09 4:35 AM
Mo, why even bother to reason with these people? they don't want to admit that over history EVERY immigrant community spoke and speaks its own language and takes time to integrate. They don't want to talk about crime gangs from Italian and Irish and Jewish immigrants - and how that played a role in their experience as immigrants.

They are not interested in facts or reality about who pays FICA taxes - they just want excuses to hate people, wave the flag, and blame others for their own ...more
By littleplains (305), olde england on Sep 22, 09 1:22 PM
if latinos are taking from you, go to 7/11 stand there and get the job before they do...
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 22, 09 1:28 PM
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Let all this illegal aliens be known, give them a migratory reform, they want to be here legally they want to come in and out of the country, then once they are legalized they should pay a fine for over staying here if they dont do it there will be a record of who they are, that way they can be deported back to their country of origin if then don't obey the law here. How are we supposed to know who's legally or illegaly here?? Give them all a comprehensive migratory reform!!!!
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 22, 09 2:06 PM
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By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 2:08 PM
Your assumptions are wrong on so many levels. FACT: Most immigrants DO NOT use emergency services as they are afraid to do so. FACT: Immigrants pay taxes. A good percentage want to become citizens and have taxpayer ID's. FACT: Immigrants pay rent and the landlord uses that rent to pay taxes FACT: Immigrant fill entry level jobs that were once filled by teenagers and/or those without a high school education. They are NOT competing with the average American.

No one is breaking into your house ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 22, 09 2:57 PM
Well I too have facts that will dispute everything you just wrote.
But let's have it your way... laws that only apply to certain groups.
That's cool. I think I'll start a group that does not want to obey the speed limit. That sounds good to me. I was unaware that laws were so flexible. What a wonderful revelation.

BTW - who has a problem with immigrants? I thought we were talking about people that are here illegally. I guess the train fell off the tracks at some point eh?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 22, 09 3:36 PM
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You are equating speed limit laws with immigration? How do you know which immigrant is legal and/or illegal? Do you have special glasses?
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 23, 09 6:48 AM
The speed limit thing was a sarcastic analogy.
I have made my point and you have made yours.
In the end we disagree.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Sep 23, 09 9:45 AM
as you all know not much going on out here word on the street is why pay mortgage when i can go back to my native country and chill and have someone else who isn't hit by ression to pay for it if i don't have anyone to rent oh well let the bank have it.anyway word on the street is the latin population is flocking out of here.i went to the easthampton train station before and was hanging looking for a extra job[ now mind you i am a ten generation resident]and was stared down at first.not deterred ...more
By asurest (117), easthampton on Sep 22, 09 3:16 PM
I have to say racially charged comments are horrible, but those who did not 'work' for a living in the hamptons cannot understand what illeagals have done to peoples lives and ability to make a living. The landlords all raised the rents to unlivable heights, the builders all made money and paid out bare minimum in wages...in 1987, a high school kid could walk onto a landscape crew for 12 to 15 an hour, now 22 yrs later that is top $$$$$???!!!!! the rich got rich, the illeagals sent all their ...more
By Just (14), Hampton Bays on Sep 22, 09 6:04 PM
Why do you blame the illegals? Because they're easy targets? People came here because of America's insatiable appetite for cheap labor. If you have a problem with immigration then call your congressman or fun for office, but don't attack those that were lured here by the promise of work. Being "Latin in origin" does not make you any less of a racist.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Sep 23, 09 6:53 AM
Well spoken, Just.
I agree with you on almost all points except for one,
"These people should all be made legal, given ss#s and pay taxes, what else can you do with them" I agree with given citizenship to whoever is in this country, and ss#'s, and having them pay taxes. But, if this scenario happens, I don't think that nearly as many would stay in this country, do you? I mean, if they all of a sudden they had to pay a third of their income to uncle Sam (like us unfortunate natives) don't ...more
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Sep 23, 09 11:18 PM
The anti-immigrant "Atmosphere" is cause by the SMALL ARMY of day laborers sitting on the curb on North Sea Road every day, (along with the side-circus of that white guy with the anti-immigrant sign)

Change the "atmosphere" on North Sea road, and much of this tension will ease.
By nicole (96), Hampton Bays on Sep 23, 09 2:30 PM
and its not an "anti-immigrant" atmosphere-- its more of a anti-Mexican/Central American atmosphere. Immigrants in small doses, are acceptable, even to the most racist of societies- especially when there is a DIVERSITY of immigrants (as there has been for most of American history).

...but concentrate a hundred Mexicans/Salvadorians/etc. in one place, and the feelings change... tensions rise.
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By Jean (79), whb on Sep 24, 09 12:43 AM
Ugh; this is going nowhere. I for one investigated who this organization was. It's pretty silly they're targeting here when their own back yard has MORE than enough discrimination to keep them busy!
They're based in ALABAMA, for goodness sakes, headed by two old white guys who saw the light and changed their evil Southern anti-immigration ways over the decades. Look them up.
Giving these guys credence is a huge mistake by the editorial staff. I think there's a vendetta with Steve Levy as ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Sep 24, 09 12:46 AM
One more point for the record: I have friends from India and Ecuador and Argentina who patiently waited YEARS to receive a visa to the USA. The legal way. Tom Wedell is correct. No other nation tolerates this nonsense.

Until the world becomes one nation, borders should be respected.
Are we ready to make THAT leap to one nation? I think that would be madness. Twelve million illegal aliens are NOT speeding our progress towards economic recovery, folks...

BAD EDITOR- FUNKY DATA- ...more
By Jean (79), whb on Sep 24, 09 12:52 AM
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Steve Levy is a racist
By Southampton (15), southampton on Sep 26, 09 4:33 PM
In my experience (I am a person of color)-- i'd say about 25% of white Americans harbor blatantly racist views, whether they are aware of it or not.

Racism is the root cause of the violence, not anything specific to Hispanics
By Malik from Captree (6), Sag Harbor on Sep 26, 09 3:30 PM
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By Spelling Cop (22), Southampton on Dec 28, 10 10:28 AM
I'm trying to write a research paper for a college final on this subject. Thank You 27east for not letting me read the article because I am not "subscribed." My family lives in Sag Harbor and buys this paper every Thursday. Way to block the locals out, I'm impressed.
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