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Oct 12, 2010 2:38 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

Editor's Note:
Oct 12, 2010 2:38 PM

At the center of the race for the 1st Congressional District seat in the U.S. House of Representatives is the question of who is better qualified to help drag Suffolk County out of the current economic doldrums.

Tim Bishop of Southampton, the Democratic incumbent, and Randy Altschuler of St. James, his Republican challenger, each say they have the credentials and right ideas to help jump-start job growth in the district, which stretches from Montauk to Stony Brook.

And since the heated race kicked off in September, each candidate has charged that his opponent has a history of hindering American workers—Mr. Bishop through the government policies he supported during his eight years in Congress, and Mr. Altschuler through his past business practices.

Election Day is Tuesday, November 2.

Eye On OfficeTiger

Beginning the very night Mr. Altschuler, a 39-year-old millionaire business owner, won the Republican and Conservative nominations in September, Mr. Bishop’s campaign has sought to draw attention to OfficeTiger, an outsourcing firm that Mr. Altschuler co-founded in 2000 and sold in 2006. A press release issued by Mr. Bishop’s campaign on the night of the primary election referred to the Republican candidate as an “outsourcing pioneer” who “got rich shipping American jobs to India.”

“He was a very successful businessman, and every single thing he did was legal,” said Mr. Bishop, the 60-year-old former provost of Southampton College, this week. “But given the way he made his money, there are certain things you don’t get to do, and one of them is be a member of the United States Congress.”

But even as Mr. Bishop tries to encumber Mr. Altschuler with his business history, the Republican challenger is trying to turn it into a boon. His campaign touts the 500 jobs his former business created in the United States, and the endorsements he has received from major business organizations, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Federation of Independent Business.

“We created jobs here in the United States by being successful around the world,” Mr. Altschuler said. “Tim Bishop has never personally created a private sector job in his life.”

A 2005 article in BusinessWeek credited OfficeTiger with pioneering the outsourcing of advanced back office services, including financial analysis, to well-educated workers in other countries. The company, which was sold to RR Donnelley for a reported $250 million, has operation centers in India, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Europe and the United States.

After selling that company, Mr. Altschuler started an electronics recycling company called CloudBlue. That business is based in Georgia and employs about 250 people in locations across the country, according to Mr. Altschuler, who holds degrees from Princeton University and Harvard Business School.

OfficeTiger employed about 4,000 people worldwide, including 500 in the United States, when Mr. Altschuler owned it, the candidate said. He said the company provided professional support services to other companies from around the world. He also denied the allegation that OfficeTiger’s practices resulted in American workers losing their jobs, saying that his company bolstered other companies by providing mostly new services, not by replacing existing operations.

But Mr. Bishop called Mr. Altschuler’s description of OfficeTiger “impossible to believe.” He said the practice of outsourcing tasks to countries where wages are lower is inherently damaging to the U.S. labor force, and almost certainly resulted in layoffs at American companies. At the very least, he said, the practice resulted in lost opportunities—tasks that could have been done by Americans but were instead completed by cheaper workers elsewhere.

“To believe Randy Altschuler, you have to believe that outsourcing doesn’t cost American jobs,” said Jon Schneider, Mr. Bishop’s district director and Brookhaven Town Democratic Committee chairman. “I just think people are smarter than that.”

Furthermore, Mr. Bishop said, Mr. Altschuler honed the outsourcing business model, which he said is now widely used. “His success has lasting implications for the American workforce,” Mr. Bishop said.

A representative for RR Donnelley did not return calls seeking information about OfficeTiger’s current operations.

The Correct Response?

When America’s financial sector imploded in 2008, heralding a national economic downturn, the federal government had two major responses. The first was the passage of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, a $700 billion bailout of the financial, auto and insurance industries that was designed to stave off total collapse. The second was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a $787 billion stimulus package that included tax cuts, financial aid to states, and investments in infrastructure and technology, that was designed to spur economic growth.

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http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba480
How Outsourcing Creates Jobs for Americans by the National Center for Policy Analysis

Outsourcing gets us closer to the holy grail of Progressives ie. global socio-economic equality:

Because of Outsourcing, we get lower prices on the products we purchase. Outsourcing raises the country’s standard of living, and benefits low income people and seniors living on fixed income. Also, some predict, as the population ages (Baby Boomers), there will ...more
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 13, 10 6:00 PM
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Indeed, the development of said "aristocracy" leads ultimately to one outcome:

Plutonomy (n.) Economic growth that is powered and consumed by the wealthiest upper class of society. Plutonomy refers to a society where the majority of the wealth is controlled by an ever-shrinking minority; as such, the economic growth of that society becomes dependent on the fortunes of that same wealthy minority.

When those inflated, derivative driven fortunes evaporated almost overnight, it led ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 8:40 PM
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What you have just stated might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Outsourcing costs the US jobs, those people lose their salary. Then they go on welfare programs, paid for by the Government increasing our debt ever greater.

*Remember we lose ~230,000 jobs a year to outsourcing.
If anything outsourcing creates a viscous cycle of corporations racing to the bottom to find the cheapest labor just so they can make an even higher profit margin than the quarter before. ...more
By fojoxctf (13), Westhampton on Oct 14, 10 10:50 PM
What you have just stated might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Outsourcing costs the US jobs, those people lose their salary. Then they go on welfare programs, paid for by the Government increasing our debt ever greater.

*Remember we lose ~230,000 jobs a year to outsourcing.
If anything outsourcing creates a viscous cycle of corporations racing to the bottom to find the cheapest labor just so they can make an even higher profit margin than the quarter before. ...more
By fojoxctf (13), Westhampton on Oct 14, 10 10:52 PM
What you have just stated might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Outsourcing costs the US jobs, those people lose their salary. Then they go on welfare programs, paid for by the Government increasing our debt ever greater.

*Remember we lose ~230,000 jobs a year to outsourcing.
If anything outsourcing creates a viscous cycle of corporations racing to the bottom to find the cheapest labor just so they can make an even higher profit margin than the quarter before. ...more
By fojoxctf (13), Westhampton on Oct 14, 10 10:52 PM
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wto/1719.html
WTO/Global Exchange says Outsourcing helps world economy
(by the way, all of my sources appear to be very objective and nonpartisan)

Natiional Bureau of Economic Research/Princeton
Outsourcing in a Global Econoy - You guessed it...they like it too
http://www.nber.org/papers/w8728

Who Benefits from Outsourcing
Economics and Theology/Providence College (Tim Bishop isn't going to like this, they find immense ...more
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 13, 10 6:08 PM
Yes,hiring cheap labor creates management jobs in the US and guess what? The exact same thing can be said about hiring undocumented workers right here in the US. Bet you'd have something different to say about that, ducky. I cannot believe the excuses you guys will make for your unqualified candidates
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 13, 10 6:59 PM
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Outsourcing is exactly what it says.......
American jobs outsourced to another country!!!
How can you support this man who won't even publicly debate the Congressman out here in Hampton Bays!!
Randy....go home....where ever that is.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 13, 10 7:02 PM
NOTICE.....NOTICE
That "justduckey" guy works for Altschuler.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 13, 10 7:09 PM
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What are we going to do about the outsourcing of American jobs on North Sea Rd . ?
By AndersEn (138), Southampton on Oct 13, 10 8:08 PM
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Vote for candidates that support immigration reform, like Tim Bishop. And stop attempting to bait and switch. Altschuler sent American jobs to India. Thousands of American jobs taken from American workers so he could make millions. Stop trying to equate what he did with immigration because you cannot complain about one and excuse the other
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 13, 10 8:15 PM
Allowing millions of illegal aliens to take jobs away from citizens is every bit as bad as outsourcing jobs to foreign countries. You're right, you can't equate one with the other - outsourcing jobs is legal (a shameful way to make millions - but legal) - hiring illegal aliens is not. Tim Bishop has a terrible record on immigration, it doesn't bother him that illegals are taking American jobs and Randy Altschuler did outsource jobs. I'm not voting for either one.
By Avatar (15), Westhampton Beach on Oct 13, 10 11:38 PM
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Please explain your comments about a "terrible record", if you can. Mr. Bishop supports immigration reform with is NOT amnesty and actually provides a very long path to citizenship, fines and punishments for those who hire illegally. It contains provisions to tighten border security as well.

What would you like Mr. Bishop to do, go to the 7-11 and arrest people? Immigration is a federal issue and the republicans are blocking real solutions just to win favor with the lunatic fringe. ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 14, 10 8:38 AM
A Congressman arrest people? Don't be absurd. How about the feds send in the INS and do their jobs for a change?
By Draggerman (689), Southampton on Oct 17, 10 8:03 PM
I hear Tim Bishops rants against Mr.Altschuler and his outsourcing of jobs to foreign companies. But as a multi-term incumbent what did he do about the problem. As a person in a position of power to affect changes, did he sponsor, co sponsor, or support any legislation to prevent outsourcing or punish firms that outsourced jobs abroad? Was he instead voting for more free trade bills, including services? Was he a supporter of WTO and NAFTA initiatives that lay the groundwork for people like Mr. ...more
By V.Tomanoku (622), southampton on Oct 13, 10 10:22 PM
How about Bishop campaigning on what he has accomplished instead of just throwing mud around, oh thats right he has'nt done crap for us out here. No sand bypass ( Montauk, Shinicock, Moriches). Beaches still eroding away. Unfair fishing regulations both recreationaly and commecially, and he voted for the health care bill after he was asked time after time by constituants not to. This election is about Tim Bishop's record as a Congressman, NOTHING else. Either you like the job he has done or you ...more
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Oct 13, 10 10:31 PM
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Eight years ago, the fuse the GLBA lit back in '98 was two-fifths of the way burnt, subsidizing itlself on a grossly unregulated derivatives market.

The conflicts of interest done away with after the Great Depression (Glass-Steagall Act of 1933) were reinstated by the GLBA, and within a decade, the s**t hit the fan all over again.

Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out...
Oct 14, 10 9:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
Matt Taibbi, of Rolling Stone put it best: "Derivatives now comprise a virtually unregulated shadow economy that is 100 times larger than the federal budget." ' "Synthetic lending," is how one market analyst put it. Imagine a Foot Locker floor manager sticking a new set of Nikes in front of a three-way mirror and selling off each of the images as a new pair of sneakers, and you get an idea of what we're dealing with here.'
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:16 PM
Altshuler is an outsourcer. Fine. But Bishop and his Democratic demi-Gods supported "cash-for-clunkers," where 40 percent of the cars bought were foreign. As the article mentioned, Bishop backed the TARP stimulus, but it didn't say how it paid billions to foreign banks. Bishop wanted to bail out General Motors, which has moved two-thirds of its jobs overseas. Office Tiger can't compete with that kind of outsourcing.

And let's not forget: Bishop backed Obamacare (but isn't bragging about ...more
By BobbyH (44), Southampton/NYC on Oct 13, 10 11:21 PM
You are rewriting history. The cash for clunkers SAVED American jobs and the US government will make a PROFIT from the auto company bailout. Had it not been for that auto bailout millions would have lost jobs and, not just that, but US auto manufacturers are currently out-selling foreign manufacturers in the US. How is that a bad thing? It's not, unless you are a Limbaugh ditto head.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 14, 10 8:41 AM
The jury is still out on the auto bailout and the success of the cash for clunkers program is debatable.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 4:45 PM
"Cash for clunkers" also had a negative effect for those who own classic cars.

The price of a rebuilt V8 engine, let's say a Chevy small block, skyrocketed thanks to all the cores that were doped with silica, and destroyed. And, before all the "tree huggers" say they should go the way of the dinosaur, they aren't dropped in vehicles that are for everyday commuting...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 8:44 PM
Maybe 40% of the cars wouldn't have been foreign if all the US auto companies are making are Tahoes, Ford F-250's, and Yukon XXL's.

The whole point of that was to try and help ween US citizens off low gas mileage and oil.

Clearly you don't understand the dilemma the US is facing, we have an ~11 trillion dollar deficit and 2 unpaid wars. Do you really expect us to pay that off without seeing a tax rise?

Look at what's happening in Ireland. They got themselves in a deficit ...more
By fojoxctf (13), Westhampton on Oct 14, 10 11:04 PM
Well, my regular ride is a 4 cylinder "boxer" engine.

Great on fuel, and more efficient than a V type, or even an in-line type.

The other one, not so much, and only did a couple hundred miles a year, but it's shelved to save money. It did get better than twenty on the highway, as it has one of the lowest drag coefficients in the auto industry.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 7:39 PM
HAHA, just saw this little convo. What people forget to realize is how you drive is as important to fuel economy as what you drive. If you drive a Prius with a heavy foot, you will reduce the gas milage from 50mpg to less than 20. This is the same milage a "big" V8 gets when driven with a lighter foot. Just saying this for the benefit of all those righteous Prius drivers out there sneering at all non-hybrids.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:35 PM
To create jobs we need to change the federal rules so that the feds can provide money directely to the towns and villages without going through the state. The Presidents 50 billion dollar roadworks package only helps regional projects and the stimulus act did nothing for Southampton. If you want to create jobs that will help the local people and that peole can see in action. Federal monies should be able to come to the town directly for roadworks projects and without the federal 20% match. That ...more
By North Sea Citizen (454), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 6:52 AM
I don't work for altschuler, have never even met the guy, but I know a career fat cat who started out o.k. and then turned on his district when is back was against the wall bureaucrat when I see one. And, I like getting philathome all worked up. You have vastly different opinions against Bishop all over this site, but only the same sleepy posters for Bishop. This is exactly what will happen at the polls in just under 3 weeks. And as far as philathome's avatar, whenever I see that on a pick up ...more
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 14, 10 7:13 AM
to progressnow, i would like to use your argument exactly back on you!! hahahaha. you hit the nail right on the head, if outsourcing is so bad, why isn't illegal immigration so bad?! ya see if you love illegal immigration, its hard to believe you can't appreciate outsourcing! that, my friends, is what you call bait and check mate! power to the people! hahahahaha.
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 14, 10 7:17 AM
Keep laughing. You totally missed her extremely valid point.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 14, 10 8:42 AM
The immigration decision will continue to erode obama support . When Judge Susan Bolton granted an injunction halting the enforcement of key provisions of the Arizona immigration enforcement law, she ruled in favor of the Justice Department’s position, but against the president’s political interest. Helping his plan of redistribution of wealth and hoping to garnish more votes.But why does he want to be the leader of this county ? It seems he has no love for our Constitution or Republic. Could it ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 10:38 AM
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And, what exactly would be wrong with "One World", which is equitable, sustainable, and provides for the people willing to work for it, and contribute to it?

Last time I looked around, the way we currently run things is rather self destructive.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 8:53 PM
I love it! they outsource our jobs- then ride their Hummers down the road with flags flying from masts screaming: I'm an American Patriot! They are only loyal to the future global elite. And we will all decend to the global peons. Our billions of pennies will be collected to make them forever rich!
By artizt101 (28), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 9:44 AM
it is extremely valid mr. first. can you please highlight why for us? It might help us all to understand why I think its so funny. and stop it artizt101, that sounds utterly ridiculous. good if your hoping to sieze on the infantile characterization of the right by the lefty media who, and apparently accurately so, have so little faith in your ability to grasp ''complex issues'' that they paint those pictures in your head so that you end up in small town usa parroting them as you just did in ...more
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 14, 10 10:04 AM
You tell them, justduckey. Those leftist elitists are always trying to talk over our heads. Yeah, we may not understand what they're saying, but I can tell you this - we can scream louder than them and we have absolutely MASTERED the art of changing the subject and confusing them with nonsense talk! Hey, peoplefirst, I bet you thought ducky's posts were intentionally confusing and garbled! Haha! Hook, line, sinker!

I'm with ya, ducky. Good to see my fellow teabaggers fighting this ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 1:01 PM
Nice to hear razza finally admit the truth - that he doesn't understand the issues and can only try undermine his opponents screaming and nonsense.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 11:48 AM
Future global elite means -when all these nation units are squished together into large blocs then the middle class will be eliminated and the ones who have "made it" it will be an international elite that will transcend individual states. Before you classify me as of the left- aren't these the very concerns of libertarians like Paul?
By artizt101 (28), Hampton Bays on Oct 19, 10 12:38 PM
what jobs has Bishlop created in his tenure???
By uncleronk (136), southold on Oct 14, 10 10:07 AM
Bishop is out of touch. Outsourcing can also create jobs. My cousin has been able to add more Long Islanders to his staff this year because of the affordable cost and efficiency of using a call center in India for his mail order business. He'd struggled financially before outsourcing and might have had to close shop and let his long time staff go if he hadn't. Outsourcing saved their jobs, plus created new ones.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 14, 10 10:12 AM
Right on, goldenrod. Outsourcing jobs to India is actually BETTER for our economy than creating new, high paying jobs right here! Why don't these commies get that. Yeah, your cousin could have done the "right" thing and tried to hire unemployed folks here, but sending those jobs to India not only allows him to pay his employees $2/hour, but he also gets the benefit of payroll tax breaks!

As for those folks who call his help center and are p-o'd that they got some guy in India they can;t ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 12:56 PM
Silly razza, you are so wrong. You do not understand how businesses work. He almost went bankrupt trying to save his company - and his longtime employees' jobs. Outsourcing enabled him to take in more orders 24/7, and keep all of his staff through the frightening downturn when so many others were laying off workers. Lately he's been able to hire more full time people, here - so there are less unemployed folks on Long Island. That's a good thing.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Oct 14, 10 11:53 PM
The Outsouring is an insult but It not the problem the unions are the problem. Federal Band-Aids won’t cover the fiscal problems of such states as New York, California, Michigan and Connecticut forever. State bankruptcy and fundamental restructuring of state and local finance, as well as labor relations must be at hand.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 10:20 AM
Once again, joe, you've hit the nail on the head. So what if Altschuler sent tens of thousands of good-paying US jobs to India? The real problem is not sending jobs away, but the unions who fight to keep jobs here! The unions want American workers to be protected and well-paid, but how does that benefit management and business owners like Randy? It doesn't.

Randy and the Chamber of Commerce should be a model to all patriotic, constitution following Americans - who cares if foreign ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 12:52 PM
Would that be the bruised backs of the middle class, which the millionares dance upon?

"Bow down before the ONE you serve, you're going to get what you deserve..." ~NIN
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 8:56 PM
Reminds me of another NIN song Head like a hole
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:24 PM
dude, we've got the joke, it might be less exhausting for you to stop writing in the 3rd party. You would never in your life mention the Chamber of Commerce if it wasn't on MSNBC. How remarkable. Can you explain exactly what the Chamber of Commerce of the US did to hurt you or anyone? Errrr, I mean, you're on our side right?
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Oct 14, 10 1:25 PM
Joke? Did I miss something, duckey, I mean, I am pro-chamber just like you and you know I only watch FOX, bro. Oh, I get it, you're trying to fool the lefties! Good one, duckey. Hey, you should join joe hampton and me for our party.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 2:13 PM
In the end, Long Islanders will make the right choice and vote for Bishop, a man who lives in and fights for our community. Good news from Newsday:

In a race Republicans thought was ripe for the picking, Rep. Tim Bishop has a double-digit lead over GOP challenger Randy Altschuler in their heated multimillion-dollar battle, according to a Siena Research Institute poll released Wednesday.

The poll shows that Bishop (D-Southampton) leads Altschuler by 12 points - 51 to 39 among likely ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 14, 10 2:41 PM
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I saw that as well! Excellent news! You go, Tim!
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 14, 10 4:54 PM
The fiscal crisis created by the unions, state pensions and entitlements is going to come to the United States next year via the vulnerable state governments of (at least) California, Michigan and New York. Look for these states to descend once more on Washington DC with their tin cups seeking additional federal subsidies, disguised as stimulus payments. But…with Republicans in control of both Houses They will meet a frosty reception on Capitol Hill. While Obama will try to pass the subsidies, the ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 3:02 PM
Hasn't California been governed by a Republican for a number of years? Ah, who cares?! Yeah, won't it be sweet if we take the house, joe? Just imagine a room full of teapartiers saying no to everything! We could shut down the government and then where would all those irresponsible states go for handouts? What do they think that "United" States of America means we all stand together? Forget it!! Each man and each state for himself, that's what we say.

Hey, did you see we have a ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 4:00 PM
Huhh .?.. I think that was the purpose of a republic. Mr sour grapes. whats the matter tired of changing faces. your entertaining
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 4:15 PM
Welll, being a Republic worked rather well for Rome. A shame they had such a bloodlust, and ruled with an iron hand via their armies.

Even during the Pax Romana, a massive amount of gladiator, slave, and Christian blood was shed in the Collosseum.

Anyway, I thought we were a Democracy...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:04 PM
During much of the 1990's and early 2000's, Republicans WERE in charge of BOTH houses. From 1995 through 2007, BOTH houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans and from 2001-2009, the White House was occupied by a Republican.
How in God's good name can ANYONE expect the GOP to help clear up the mess when much of it was created on their watch.
By baywoman (153), southampton on Oct 15, 10 4:03 PM
To correct joe, the fiscal crisis was created by Wall St. .

The Unions simply followed their shining example...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 5:02 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 3:20 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 3:26 PM
Are you making fun of someone? Good one, dude! Yeah, that Chris Matthews is such a commie, isn't he?Good to see another teabagger has decided to join us! (psst - I won't tell anyone who you really are?) Keep up the good work, my brother and let's fight those Marxists with all we've got!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 3:33 PM
Bet a slab of granite he's never been called by anything other than someone on the other end of a phone.

Probably couldn't even accurately describe someone he never knew, or laid eyes on, that had been dead for years either...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:07 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 4:22 PM
Will the real Razza please stand up. lol nice job of freezing the enemy and then neutralizing him . lol 18 more days.
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Oct 14, 10 4:26 PM
Yeah, I sure got him, eh! I think he's a secret communist anyway. Check it out - I wanted to let They Call Me Use Dick Armey so I switched to Dick Cheney and now we've got almost all of the bases covered? Let me know if you want to switch again They Call Me 'cause I'm thinking of adding another Dick to the list. Maybe Nixon this time! See you soon, guys
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 4:52 PM
No, no, no, I got him. And like you, I'm the real deal..what is everyone doing suggesting you're kidding! I'm off to go get a Public Enemy link that is way cool. Freakin' right wing devils get the bejusus scared out of their racist arses frm that. And I like what your all about razza5351, I want into the razza club. There are more of us. And, they are coming.
By razza6969 (7), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 5:16 PM
And I'm the real razza. I've been a male flight attendent for 21 years with Delta, like long walks in the park, off-off broadway plays and have collected stamps since I was a little boy. I am from Cleveland and yes, I, razza6969 am the real razza. Back to you Bob.
By razza6969 (7), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 5:17 PM
I was waiting to see how many posts he would make in a row. Maybe I should change my tune and start ranting "progressive" comments. I could rant...Dick Army teabaggers....Rush Repubs....Fox the hate mongers... evil insurance companies......The American dream is to own a home even though I cant afford it... Those Rich folks have too much money they should be taxed more.....racist radical right....neocons....evil corporations.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 5:21 PM
There's no way in this sweet wide world I can vote for a congressman who has voted in lockstep with a Party that has orchestrated the takeover of our healthcare system, wants to eliminate the Bush tax cuts, has no coherant foreign policy and is led by an America hating Marxist. I'll take the candidate who has actually WORKED FOR A LIVING, not survived by sucking on the government teat. Randy's not perfect, but at least he has our nation's best interest at heart.
By bigfresh (3030), north sea on Oct 14, 10 5:46 PM
Anger is clouding your ability to tell fact from fiction. No takeover of healthcare, just extending it to 32 million Americans who wouldn't otherwise get it. And only wants to eliminate Bush tax cuts for the super rich, not for the rest of us.
Your defense of wealthy health care insurers and the super rich is very un-teabag of you.
And by the way, everyone in America sucks at the government teat. Did you drive on a government-built road today, drink a glass of water purified by a government-buit ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 14, 10 6:01 PM
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@bigfresh

The party that "took over" the health care system is the health insurance party, with legislation that their henchmen (republican and democrat alike) jammed through congress.

The Bush tax cuts cost more than the Iraq/Afghanistan wars combined, and the beneficiaries are overwhelmingly the top 2%.

The foreign policy of the New American Century (as executed by Cheney and Co.) has us trillion$ in the hole and bogged down in the middle east for decades? to come.

Ignorance ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:24 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 5:47 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 5:54 PM
oh so you're probably mad about the black panthers too. and the fact that IL violated state law by not sending out military ballots in the proper time frame. you should be ashamed of yourself. may a hanging chad fall from your fez in a rare saharan downpour.
By razza6969 (7), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 5:57 PM
and tim bishop worked for a living. he was a provost. er, wait. well, like barney frank says, it isn't a crime to have friends with money.
By razza6969 (7), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 6:00 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 6:00 PM
Do you mean 18 more days until we return to the same 8 years of awesomeness that got us into this mess (aka, the W Years)? More unfunded wars? Continued tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy? Further unprecedented expansion of the federal government and spending, with no plan to pay for it? You're right - happy days ARE here again!
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 14, 10 6:06 PM
it appears I forgot to add some "progressive" rants....tax cuts for the ultra wealthy earning over 200k per year is ridiculous of course that includes small business owners that make 200k and my all time favorite 2 years later and 4 years after a democratic controled house and senate. Blame it on Bush.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 6:49 PM
But razza, the small business argument has exposed as a sham. For example:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20100924/bs_bw/1040b4197030541676
You guys are in favor of protecting big business, health care insurance conglomerates, and tax breaks for the ultra wealthy. It's just not very teabaggish of you.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 14, 10 7:07 PM
Teabaggers are notoriously ignorant, they don't even know that they are funded tools of corporate interests.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:16 PM
Blaming Bush, is done by the shortsighted, who don't know their history.

Yes, he may have been a puppet, and a tool, but he's not the sole cause...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 7:51 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 14, 10 6:26 PM
And embrace imperialism, fascism, corporate greed, environmental degredation, economic disparity !
Regarding entitlements, see my post above. Even teabaggers enjoy government "entitlements" - public roads, clean drinking water, municipal sewer, fire/police services. How do you propose we get by with no more "entitlements." And tell us how all the blue-hair teabaggers are going to feel when you take their medicare and social security "entitlements" away.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 14, 10 6:41 PM
l
lol cowee is always good for a "progressive" rant
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 6:53 PM
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Just as expected - the "real" razza has nothing to offer. I guess when reason trumps empty slogans and the party of No, your best move is to go to the 'lol.' The fake razza is much more interesting.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 14, 10 6:58 PM
cowee no offense but you are all over the place and YOU are ranting. You are talking about imperalism, drinking water, and Medicare all in the same post. Are you saying tea baggers are evil imperialist who should forfeit their Medicare coverage that they paid for because they drink clean water? LOL
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 7:20 PM
Get him, big Razza! Don't let him try to confuse us with that Marxist talk! All of these crazy progressives and their nonsensical rants about clean water and medicare - two things real men can live without. (you're not on medicare or social security are you?)

Yeah, so what, we use public roads and sewers and police and firemen, but that's different because Obama didn't invent those things - or maybe he did! If so, we'll stop using them! The Chamber of Commerce can fund our own roads ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 8:21 PM
No offense taken, "real" razza. But come on - my response tracked the earlier post. No John McCains on this board - we can handle more than one topic at once.
But let's stick with this - everyone is, on some level, a beneficiary of what you call government handouts or entitlements. So where do you draw the line? Roads/water/sewer/police/FD are OK, but welfare is not? Medicare ok with you? Or do we get rid of all of it?
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 15, 10 9:27 AM
Most basic services such as water, police, and FD are handled at a local, county , or state level. The budget for these pale in comparison to Medicare which is handled at a federal level. Its apples and oranges. Medicare and SS are both massive entitlement programs that are in desperate need of reform. These programs are bankrupting the nation and you want more entitlement plans? Where do YOU draw the line.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 12:10 PM
Agreed they're 'handled' at the local level, but the fed gov't provides states with massive funding so they can actually "pay" for them. Without that money, services would be severly limited.
No doubt medicare and SS are in need of reform, but that doesn't mean they should be eliminated. You'll see above - TCM did not say that we're 18 days away from "reforming" federal programs. He said we're 18 days away from "reject[ing] ... entitlements." Like a lot of what I hear from the TP, it's a ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 15, 10 12:45 PM
Fed GVT spending for roads, police , and FD is a drop in the bucket compared with defense, SS and Medicare. Those three make up almost the entire budget. I never said Medicare and SS should be eliminated but perhaps the GVT should try to effectively manage what we have before adding on extra entitlement programs or extra spending programs. FYI medicare is not all its cracked up to be. You pay a 2% payroll tax your whole life to get it, if you make it to age 65 you then have to pay for Part B And ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 1:08 PM
Manage (reduce/eliminate) medicare and social security spending but let the financial military industrial complex and multinational corporations run wild and bankrupt the entire planet?
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:13 PM
Don't put words in my mouth I never said there wasnt wasteful dollars being spent on defense.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 2:41 PM
Well, razza, there are those of us who look at Titoism, and would tell Marx to P**S OFF!
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 12:31 AM
@razza - I'm not putting words in your mouth. You attacked entitlements and said not a word about wars. The fact is that if we didn't have all the wars and a military budget bigger than the next 30 largest countries combined we'd' have plenty of money for social security and health care for all.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 11:23 PM
razza2????
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:36 PM
Oct 14, 5:48 AM (ET) I guess the sanctions are working LOLLLL fools
BEIRUT (AP) - Hezbollah supporters used mosque loudspeakers Thursday to rally crowds ahead of a trip by Iran's president to southern Lebanon near the border with Israel, a visit the U.S. and Israel have called intentionally provocative.On Thursday, Ahmadinejad is scheduled to make a trip to Lebanon's Shiite heartland in the south and the Israeli border, which will emphasize Iran's support for Hezbollah's fight with Israel.

By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 6:38 PM
The result is stunning: an unabashed exercise in Islamic dawa, the “call to Islam” and the manner by which the Brotherhood’s spiritual guide, Yusuf Qaradawi, promises that Islam will “conquer America” and “conquer Europe.” this land is your land this land is our land this land belongs to you and me. Hello Hello lolllll
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Oct 14, 10 6:49 PM
junior jihadi, where you been capt'n muscles! you'd be the first to go poseur.
By razza6969 (7), Hampton Bays on Oct 14, 10 7:24 PM
Thomas J. Donahue, President and CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, has said that outsourcing is “good for America”. That very same Chamber of Commerce is running an ad in Missouri against the Democratic candidate that starts with the claim "In the past 2 years Missouri lost 120,000 jobs" well, guess what, 102,000 of those jobs were lost to outsourcing. No surprise the chamber supports Altschuler.

The chamber of commerce is currently spending 75 million dollars to defeat Democrats and ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 14, 10 9:14 PM
Captain,Razza,Ice,Big fresh,Dan27,Who wants to educate Mr Z on this one please let me have the honers!
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:18 PM
We often hear the claim that our nation is a democracy. That wasn't the vision of the founders. They saw democracy as another form of tyranny. If we've become a democracy, I guarantee you that the founders would be deeply disappointed by our betrayal of their vision. The founders intended, and laid out the ground rules, for our nation to be a republic.
The word democracy appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution -- two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead ...more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:19 PM
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Actually joe, there is a very fine line between "Republic", and "Democracy".

In fact, there is very little, if any difference at all.

republic (n.) a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them

democracy (n.) a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

I ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:23 PM
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all !
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:21 PM
No No No Pal thats because you and your ilk despise the Tenth Amendment there is a huge difference. Its what we are fighting for in the Tea Party States Rights Its the whole thing baby. You made a serious wrong turn tonight when you said "Anyway, I thought we were a Democracy..." back to American history 101 you go.

By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:32 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:34 PM
You know what's missing from text?

Inflection, tone, and body language. All of which may denote SARCASM.
Oct 14, 10 9:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
For that matter, had you read earlier posts by me, I have always fully stood behind the state's rights to govern themselves, with the Federal as a guideline. The Tenth Amendment is almost entirely duplicitous, and only, simply reinforces the original principles of the Constitution.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:37 PM
18 more days joe dont let them take you off message. And yes we absolutly are a still a Republic. Mr. z I frequently hear the claim, often by modern day politicians from both parties, that our nation is a democracy.
The word "democracy" doesn't appear in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the two most basic of our founding documents. However, Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." It's also noteworthy as Joe ...more
By 27dan (2149), Southampton on Oct 14, 10 9:44 PM
United States vs. Sprague.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 9:48 PM
Lol You were schooled by Ronnie.... Thanks Dan
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:52 PM
You still have yet to point out the physical difference between the two, other than the wording of a 234 year old document, or the pledge to our flag.

Could it be the definition of one has changed by modern standards?

Most likely not. The definition, and types of "Republics" have changed over the course of millenia, dependent upon which form of "Democracy" they abided by. The sole root of the word republic, is the Latin "res publica". As Latin was the language of the educated, ...more
Oct 14, 10 10:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. the word democracy is much older, and has Greek roots. Go back to school, and take some Ancient History 101. I took Latin, and studied Roman, as well as Greek History.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 10:02 PM
AND, I almost forgot, how many states are a "commonwealth" to this day? The answer would be four. Massachussets Charter, that's where Boston is, by the way, states their commonwealth as: "The body politic is formed by a voluntary association of individuals: it is a social compact, by which the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for the common good.".

That is almost the literal translation of "res ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 10:54 PM
We are a republic. The citizens elect representatives to speak for them. In a democracy the citizens make the decisions. In a republic, the representatives are elected democratically. We are a REPUBLIC!!!
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:56 PM
You may want to re-read the above posts, if you haven't already...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 11:10 PM
Cant wait for election day. (going to be some serious good times) I look forward to seeing all the limo-libs whining outside Starbucks after they park their 80k Range Rovers... Vomit..........
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Oct 14, 10 9:59 PM
What do conservative robber-barons drive? In my experience, the more money people have, the more conservative they tend to vote. It's in their self interest - they don't want to pay taxes. Just like the founders ...
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:10 PM
People who drive Range Rovers are doing so to fill a void in the ego.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:44 PM
reality, Nice of you to join us. Hope all is well. Do you believe this guy? You know the more I talk to him, the more I see.... and I mean this in a non derogatory way . He truly seems to be a card carrying communist . What happened to you my good man? It must have been awful. I am starting to wonder if this just a class warfare thing or is it racially motivated as well ? Anyway I would love to have a café Mocha with you that day! 18 more
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 14, 10 10:08 PM
Not only do you wonder too much, you assume too much as well. It's deeper than "class warfare", it's about the manipulation of our government, and it's laws by those with their own self-seeking, and self serving interests, almost maniacal ego, and beliefs.

From Glass-Steagall Act ,to Ayn Rand, to Alan Greenspan, et al., to Bill Clinton, to the GLBA, I was on Brooksley Borne's side from the get go, as she was a vastly more educated, and intelligent woman, who was SHREDDED by a bunch of ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 14, 10 10:20 PM
Even if you believe those Siena College poll results (aren't those the people that said CARL PALADINO could beat Cuomo?! ha!), it doesn't bode well for Bishop. He's an 8 year incumbent and only has 51%? Four terms to know the man and think of all the wonderful reasons to support him and 11% are "undecided?." That means they are inclined to vote against Bishop, but need more convincing Alstshuler is the one.

Though the numbers might make dagdavid a bit moist, you can bet the congressman ...more
By BobbyH (44), Southampton/NYC on Oct 14, 10 10:49 PM
The Rothenberg Political Report: Toss-up/Tilt Democrat, NY 1st District, doesn’t say much for Bishop and his 4th term incumbency.
By fazool (22), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 12:05 AM
ms Marple I may not always agree with Z. but for the most part he is a bit more civil than you madam.A quick scan of your past commentary suggests you may be more comfortable watching WWF than attempting to participate in this exchange of thoughts and Ideas. Thank you for your time.
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 15, 10 2:21 AM
<----- Z a challenge read this. and I will read a book of your choice
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 15, 10 2:23 AM
His show is great entertainment. But it's not so much what he says as how he says it, in his anguished, prepubescent Paul Harvey voice - you've definitely got to check him out.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Oct 15, 10 9:33 AM
Well, you've probably already read everything by Howard Zinn, but I'll dig up a copy.

There's nothing quite like a fresh point of view!
Oct 15, 10 6:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, by the way, is it my imagination, or is the propaganda level a bit higher than usual this year?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 6:40 PM
Actually, I did think of something. I know the name "Michael Moore" is something of a pariah in some sects of society, but I do encourage you to watch "Capitalism: A Love Story". It's a bit skewed at times to his family life, as his father worked for GM, but rather accurate, though opinionated.

Also, "The Rise of Disaster Capitalism", by Naomi Klein (based on "The Shock Doctrine"). It's a little dry, but not bad at all. And of course, last but not least, the Frontline series from ...more
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 7:08 PM
another one is the big short by michael lewis. Its the story of a few guys who bet on the housing collapse and made fortune. Judging from your previous posts you would love it.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 16, 10 9:26 AM
Try "Inside Job", by Charles Ferguson.

Check out this month's issue of Time, and maybe you could learn how not to be a propagandized tool of a political party.

BE INDEPENDENT, AND BREAK THE TIE!
Oct 18, 10 12:14 AM appended by Mr. Z
http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie-synopsis/inside-job.2/
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 12:14 AM
By the way, I highly recommend the train to Penn Station, and it's a very nice walk down Eigth Ave., to Lincoln Plaza...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 12:28 AM
Right wing Randy's ideas on jobs are simple: ship them overseas. His vast connections in India and China make him extremely suspect.

America finally realizes that The Tea Party is controlled by international oil companies and foreign banks.

Like Randy's close friend, the wicked witch from Delaware, who couldn't name a recent Supreme Court case during Wednesday night's debate, job shipping Randy (refusing to debate) cannot name one job he brought to America.

Job shipping, ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Oct 15, 10 6:43 AM
right on Steve. Perhaps Randy is actually a chiniese nationalist spy whos real intent is to displace all citizens from district 1 with chinese workers. I also do realize that the tea party is not a movement by regular folk but rather controlled by a bunch of oil execs. I also think Randy and "his good friend Christine" plan on having a seance with Carl. Can you say mental institution?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 7:21 AM
Tea party money comes from David Koch (co-owner and VP of the second largest privately held company in the U.S. [Koch Industries, an energy conglomerate]) and lobbyist Dick Armey, among others.

Teabaggers like razza think this is a grass-roots movement ... LOL
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:05 PM
Oh the hypocracy So I guess the dems raise all of their money from people like you?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 1:11 PM
That's not the issue, it's just the kind of misdirection we've come to expect from you. Next you'll probably start YELLING.

The fact remains that the so-called "grass-roots" tea party was imitated and is funded by very powerful corporate interests, and that this is largely unknown by the dull-witted dupes who have bought into the "movement" and it's agenda.

Hypocrisy is pretending to have standards or ideals that one does not really have. So a better way to describe this would ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 1:32 PM
More good news from the Wall Street Journal: "Bishop leads 51% to 39% in the Siena poll. Most political consultants view the 50% threshold as a “magic number” for incumbents, indicating a high likelihood of surviving a challenge. "

Vote to keep jobs in America.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 15, 10 11:28 AM
noahway, doesn't matter if its boloney or not, you're determinated to write. Look, to put down a political movement because it is funded by rich people is about a naive a thing that is ever been written online. So you think the people that don't agree with you are dumb, manipulated, dupes, hypocrites. We got that, no matter how many long words you use or how many different times you and your tribe express it - we got the template. We could easily say the same about you. But where you are losing ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 2:18 PM
You're missing the point.

The tea party is not a grass roots movement, it is falsely portrayed as one. This is blatant manipulation of a populace made ignorant by dependence on corporate (not liberal) media.

If the people sucked into supporting the tea party knew how they are being used - and for what ends - they would burn down Wall Street, K Street, corporate media and the capital simultaneously. Those are the people who have sold us all up the river for their own self-interest. ...more
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 11:18 PM
newsflash...this is coming across the wire right now. Randy Altschuler runs a business that help companies that outsource jobs overseas. WE GOT THAT. WE ARE VOTING FOR HIM ANYWAY. Holy mackeral are you folks a broken record. Yes, we are dumb, duped jelly heads that must be stupid to not agree to high taxes and huge government. Yes, we drive (yawwwwwn) on roads and our kids go to school..hahahaha..oy vey. Tim Bishop is a complete elitest tool of the man. You are voting for him anyway. Its ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 2:24 PM
To expand on Congressman Bishop's comments, what Altschuler did is perfectly legal, and SOMEBODY would undoubtedly do it if he didn't. Nonetheless, he made his millions by CHOOSING to deprive 10,000 of our countrymen of work and our economy of their income by sending their jobs overseas. Most Americans would decline to participate in such an invidious enterprise. Should we elect someone to Congress who lacks the empathy to recoil from such a business opportunity and whose scruples do not prevent ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 15, 10 3:23 PM
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Before judging ask what you would you have done if given the chance to make 250 million and why do so many business today (especially tech companies) resort to outsourcing many aspects of there business overseas.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 4:13 PM
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I inadvertently clicked like. There are people that live in America today that care about this country. People who would prefer to spend their time and energy creating jobs here. Caring for people here. Tim Bishop is one of those people.

We all have a choice of what we want to do in our lives, for some, like Altschuler, and perhaps you since you seem to support him, money is the be all and end all. For others it is community, family, and friends. The republicans and their offshoot ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 15, 10 6:02 PM
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Oh please spare me the wholy roller BS.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 7:47 PM
Sorry, but none of these professional politicians loves this country, they love the overinflated egos. If they loved this country they would be trying disolve it into some global homogenization of a world government.
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 5:55 PM
Hey, Local 84 you might like this story....10/15/10) NEW YORK (AP) - Federal authorities say they've rounded up more than 40 people in New York and Florida, including one of the founders of the Roc-A-Fella rap label founder, during a takedown of a wholesale marijuana ring.
Investigators say those arrested include Kareem Burke, who founded the label with Jay-Z
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 15, 10 4:10 PM
Nobody can play the race card like you, joe! You get 'em!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 6:30 PM
highhat. depriving 10,000 countrymen of work? insidious enterprise, recoil, scruples, egomaniacs, mutilating animals, doa...dude, we're talking about a congressional race for ny district 1 where altschuler is running against bishop. you take a wrong turn at the Friday the 13th fan blog? how bout you not worry about all that colorful and drama queen prose and put the bong down.
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 4:16 PM
Yessiree, yessiree! Against sending tens of thousands American jobs to India?! This guy MUST be hitting the bong pretty hard! I am with you, bud. These socialists that want to keep American jobs here! HAH! Its called the free market, baby and it means you do everything and anything you can to make as much money as you can as quickly as you can. Its right there in the constitution lefties, if you ever bothered reading it. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - money = happiness.

Is ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Oct 15, 10 6:27 PM
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Your calculus equation notwithstanding, there are many of us to whom that math formula does not apply.

Money isn't what makes me happy. What makes someone like me happy, is knowing that the people who work hard, and take pride in what they do, can earn the security they are due.

Right now, I AIN'T TOO HAPPY.
Oct 15, 10 6:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
How about everyone else? Is money what makes you happy?
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 6:53 PM
I remember a quote, that have always tried to live by:

"Every man is free to do that which he wills, provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any other man."

~Herbert Spencer
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 15, 10 8:19 PM
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By They call me (2174), southampton on Oct 15, 10 9:12 PM
I doubt your label slinging mind even knows the difference between Tito, and Stalin.

Socialism is not Communism, nor is Communism Socialism.
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 12:11 AM
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well the conversation has devolved into republicans only love money and democrats love people and don't care about money. somewhere chris matthews is smiling. i can't take these folks philathome accuses someone of old tired playbook drivel (but not with that level of eloquence) and then goes on to say that the republicans have made the mess. what the point. phil and davdag and all you other lefty lecturers we'll see ya at the polls. on november 3rd. Don't forget. November 3rd. Election Day. ...more
By yessiree (78), Southampton on Oct 15, 10 7:52 PM
To yessiree:

QUOTE: "highhat. depriving 10,000 countrymen of work? insidious enterprise, recoil, scruples, egomaniacs, mutilating animals, doa...dude, we're talking about a congressional race for ny district 1 where altschuler is running against bishop. you take a wrong turn at the Friday the 13th fan blog? how bout you not worry about all that colorful and drama queen prose and put the bong down."

10,000 jobs - Wikipedia
InVidious - whole other word than inSidious.
Recoil, ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 15, 10 11:21 PM
Up until 1998, there were some reasonable "speed limits" on the economy.

The highways, roads, and rails have them too, for very good reason.

The speed limits were removed, and look where we ended up within a decade, with Alan Greenspan sheepishly before Congress skating the question:

"Was your economic plan a failure?"
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 16, 10 12:08 AM
Here's a shining example of the "free market" at work:

http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/listedblogpost.aspx?post=1816304>1=35006

71% of the people are "outraged" by it. That should tell you something...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 16, 10 1:27 PM
-Because there are a lot of folks that approve of mutilating animals. That yessiree guy is owning you and you don't have much to respond with but some weird sort of nonsense. and phylllis, do suggest that any single party hold more guilt than the other in terms of corporate lobbying and large donations in most circles would render either a 15 year old or deserving of nothing more than a pat on the head and a ''you're cute''.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 16, 10 6:10 AM
my bad wikipedia. i din't know that an internet source where anyone is allowed to provide input is now a rock solid source. perhaps you need to check more reruns of columbo. but nice use of mea culpa stephen erkle.
By mackt (73), montauk on Oct 16, 10 6:12 AM
To mackt:

I have noted that some readers fail to notice idiomatic devices but my sarcastic allusion to Randy's constituency of people who like to mutilate animals was not subtle.

10,000 - "OfficeTiger to up headcount by 25%", Economic Times, September 1, 2006.

The editing standards of Wikipedia require that statements that are mere assertions be referenced to authority or deleted. Your quibble is with The Economic Times, not Wikipedia. You would know that had you bothered ...more
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 16, 10 10:29 AM
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Great video from job shipping right wing Randy's good friend crazy Carl Paladino - two peas in a pod:

http://goprealitycheck.com/paladino/174/carl-in-his-own-words

The fearful threesome, Randy, Carl, Christine (O'Donnell) share the same platform and they are all behind.. Even though Tim is well over the 50% mark, make sure you vote.

JOB SHIPPING RANDY IS WRONG FOR AMERICA
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Oct 16, 10 12:49 PM
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The audio on the link you posted was a bit choppy. I had a hard time understanding some of it but I did catch the bit where he chastised Rush Limbaugh for being a drug addict. (It WAS Rush, wasn't it?)
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 16, 10 2:40 PM
Hey America...My neighbor displays Republican political lawn signs and hires undocumented workers to work on his house and lawn.
Is that Tim Bishop's fault?

The immigrants are here because businesses are hiring them. Bishop supports immigration reform. We have about 15 million immigrants here. We cant afford to round them all up and send them home. Besides, business wants them here.
We would have to raise taxes and double the size of government to undertake such a round-up. Remember ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 16, 10 3:51 PM
You statements are majorly flawed, We have about 15 million immigrants here. We cant afford to round them all up and send them home.

First, they are ILLEGAL immigrants, without the ILLEGAL in front of immigrants one may be lead to believe the have a right to be here.

Second, Do you really think it is cheaper the pay for their healthcare, schooling for their children and food stamps and welfare for those who hop on the dole?
Rounding them up and deporting them will no doubt ...more
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 16, 10 10:56 PM
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/house/2010_elections_house_map.html

Real Clear Politics (above) a site that aggregates all the polls, agrees. The silver lining to this cloud is that, due to the Republican Party's selection of an unelectable lox as candidate in the 1st District, it won't happen here. Loxxy is double digits behind.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 17, 10 9:55 AM
I just thought of a no-cost way to eliminate illegal immigrants in Southampton Town. Establish an annual award in the Southampton Town Police Department that honors the officer with the most illegal immigrant busts, just as they currently do with DWI busts. The illegals will all be history within a few months. Of course, summer guests will have to eschew tanning to avoid the inconvenience of being pulled over every time they drive.
By highhatsize (3321), East Quogue on Oct 17, 10 10:32 AM
You blame our current congressman for a situation that occured under the conrtol of the GOP.
The man support immigration reform, the same reform introduced by McCain.
Vote Bishop!!!

By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 17, 10 11:20 AM
No
By joe hampton (2932), south hampton on Oct 17, 10 11:51 AM
None.
Let us all remember that Tim Bishop has always worked for the East End of Long Island. Let's not vote for an Up-The-Island millionaire who who made his fortune selling American Jobs overseas......and cancelled his forum in Hampton Bays.
Vote Bishop....Vote Local!!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 17, 10 10:41 PM
Here's a tidbit, for all the "Tea Partiers" out there:

Massachussets Charter, that's where Boston is, by the way, states their commonwealth as: "The body politic is formed by a voluntary association of individuals: it is a social compact, by which the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for the common good.".

Oct 18, 10 12:19 AM appended by Mr. Z
The LACK of laws, and regulation, do nothing for the "common good", either. That much has become BLATANTLY obvious...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 12:19 AM
Mr. Z. ,. highhatsize, philathome, progressivenow - Please do not forget to vote. On November 3rd - its been moved because November 2 fell on a muslim high holy day.
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 18, 10 12:56 PM
How long did it take you to think that up? A wonderful example of teaparty intellect.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 2:03 PM
I just love how these jokers throw around the term "Marxist" to describe anyone who doesn't belive in fiscal/societal excess, the rampant abuse of "freedom", and deregulation.

I'll guarantee you couldnt' even define the difference between Marx, Stalin, and Tito off the top of your head.

I'm not a Marxist, but at least I'm not some brainwashed follower...
Oct 18, 10 4:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
OH, and if you haven't read Matt Taibbi's article in August's Rolling Stone, it comes highly recommended by at least 71% of the people...
By Mr. Z (9529), North Sea on Oct 18, 10 4:50 PM
New article posted -- link above.
By PBR (4819), Southampton on Oct 18, 10 6:26 PM
Getting back to the jobs thing, the inescapable fact is that Randy Altschuler made a fortune shipping 10,000 American jobs off to India. Let's look at the defense: Randy claims he created jobs in America, but the only American jobs he generated were sales positions for pitching his outsourcing business, several hundred slots versus the 10,000 jobs that went away. Randy claims that no existing American jobs were lost through his activities. Even if this is true, (which I doubt), it still means ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 19, 10 11:59 AM
Randy created 500 jobs!!!! He shipped 10,000 offshore!!!! It looks like a 9,500 job deficit, I guess he really does belong in Washington!
By ICE (1207), Southampton on Oct 19, 10 6:02 PM
turkey, i wish a hex of carpal tunnel on you. you ever see the polar bears in central park. they do the same damn thing day in and day out. nothing different ever happens in their life. up one side of the rock, into the water, back up the other side and all over again. do you ever feel like your stuck in the same dead end pattern of puking up drivel about outsourcing and 1000 jobs in brookhaven and small business and oh my god, the blah blah blah, you are beginning to wear me out. i am going ...more
By dylan32 (64), east hampton on Oct 19, 10 4:22 PM
The truth can be monotonous sometimes, dylan32. I understand that, especially when that truth is politically devastating to your guy Randy, but there it is. Let me give you another exercise, that will possibly relieve your boredom: Go out and find someone, anywhere in this district, who has sought Tim Bishop's help and come away disappointed. I bet you can't, because Tim Bishop takes care of business and he takes care of his constituents. We should keep him in Congress.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Oct 20, 10 11:15 AM
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