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Shinnecocks want three casinos on Long Island

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Michael Wright   Sep 29, 2010 1:30 PM

HUNTINGTON—The Shinnecock Indian Nation has aspirations to one day operate as many as three casinos spread across Long Island, members of the tribe’s Gaming Authority told area real estate agents in Huntington on Wednesday morning.

Calling Long Island the “greatest gaming market in the world,” Gaming Authority member Phil Brown said the tribe would like to have gaming facilities in Nassau County, for its proximity to New York City, plus a large gaming and entertainment destination in western Suffolk County, and a “high-class Monte Carlo-type” facility on the East End “near our homelands in Southampton.”

Even as the Shinnecock Tribal Trustees were in Washington, D.C., speaking with members of Congress about legislation that would allow tribes to take new lands into trust for the purpose of gambling, the five Gaming Authority members made a pitch to the Long Island Real Estate Group in Huntington on Wednesday for the sort of places they would like to build their casinos.

“Indian gaming is the path to economic recovery,” Mr. Brown said, touting the millions of dollars in tax revenues and hundreds of jobs each facility would potentially bring to the counties and towns that host casino facilities. “Three gaming facilities on Long Island is a win-win for everybody.”

For the tribe to operate any casinos, it will still have to secure its official recognition from the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, or BIA—a step that received another boost last week when the bureau took the Shinnecocks’ side in an appeal of challenges to their recognition application. The tribe was approved for federal recognition by the BIA in July, but that decision has been challenged by a group claiming to represent thousands of casino employees at Connecticut’s two Native American casinos, as well as by an obscure faction claiming to represent the scattered Montaukett tribe.

The 10,000-member Seneca Nation in upstate New York has a compact with the state that will allow it to operate up to three casinos. On Wednesday morning, Mr. Brown said that the Shinnecocks have been in discussions with Governor David Paterson’s office for more than a year and will be seeking an agreement similar to the Senecas’.

Gaming Authority members at Wednesday’s meeting did not offer any hints at which of the many properties that have been rumored to be on their short list of desired sites are in play, though the revelation that they are interested in multiple sites might have made the list longer. A number of locations across the island have been fingered as possibilities for a Shinnecock casino, including the Nassau Coliseum, Belmont Racetrack, Brookhaven Calabro Airport in Shirley, and the former Grumman property in Calverton.

“We have not chosen a site yet,” Mr. Brown said. “I know you are all speculating as to where we’re going. I’m sure you guys are biting at the bit to hear us tell you where we’re going. We’re not going to give you that today.”

Mr. Brown said any property would have to be at least 35 acres to be worth consideration, but the tribe would “take as much as we can get”—which drew a laugh from the more than 200 Nassau real estate agents at the event.

Gaming Authority member Joan Crippen Williams said that the Westwoods property, a 79-acre parcel the tribe owns on Peconic Bay in Hampton Bays, is probably not on the table for a casino site. The tribe’s plans for a gaming facility at Westwoods in 2001 raised the curtain on the tribe’s gaming aspirations in general and sparked a years-long court battle with Southampton Town over the eligibility of the property for a casino. A judge ruled the property could not be used for gaming, but tribal leaders had maintained that the property was still in play.

Critical to the effort to develop any casinos will be the tribe’s ability to purchase land and put it into a federal trust so that it can be used for a gaming facility, even though the legislation that legalized Indian gaming requires that facilities be on “Indian lands.” Earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that tribes that were not yet federally recognized in 1935 could not put purchased land into federal trust. An effort is now underway by several tribes to spur federal legislation that would allow the practice.

The Gaming Authority members also did not rule out the possibility that the tribe could develop a casino on their 800-acre reservation in Southampton if efforts to secure land elsewhere are thwarted. But Ms. Williams acknowledged that the tribe has said it would not do that.

“We are people of our word,” she said. “There are enough places on Long Island that I think we should be able to find a place that is better than [the reservation].”

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I'm all for the Tribe's sovereignty and the right to have a casino -- BUT don't get greedy.
By Mr Suffolk (112), Twin Forks on Sep 29, 10 10:12 PM
Mr Suffolk please don't be vague... Any casino east of the Pine Barrens will ruin both forks. Please do some research on the projected numbers of people(s) they expect to come to these establishments. It will stop your heart....Unless you'd like to see the "East End" (both forks) become something between AC and queens. (no offense to Queens) PS I'd like to know why Casinos specifically are Indians right?
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 1:52 PM
Mo' people, mo' problems.

Mo' trash on the side of the road, mo' waste in septic systems, mo' expansion of present criminal elements (maybe), mo' fresh water to sustain business needs, mo', mo', mo'...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 1, 10 4:54 PM
I think the tribe will probably take its time and start with one gaming complex at a time. Whatever it is, they'll do what's prudent for tribal members and New York State. Join the New York Coalition for Shinnecock Gaming to follow developments and support! http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=137819892904852&ref=ts
By Takeynea (8), Southampton on Sep 29, 10 11:20 PM
One at a time? That's like saying "Just give me one bullet to the temple" one at a time.
One of the more accurate numbers for a cute little casino on the east end is 8 million visitors a year. Thats just a cute 150 thousand +/- visitors a weekend!. Yeah thats a start. NEVER!
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 1:57 PM
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Who says it is "more accurate"? What's the source? Location? Facility? Vision?

You're just an alarmist.

The only casino that would work east of the canal would be a small, high stakes, limited access one serving the very high rollers.
By VOS (542), WHB on Oct 1, 10 2:20 PM
IS THAT A JOKE?
By VJLPOLO (3), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 11 9:02 PM
3 casinos is disgustingly greedy. But...it is also bad business plan...go ahead and see how much money you lose.
I recognize the Shinnecocks but C'mon
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 7:14 AM
I doubt your ancestors would approve.
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 7:17 AM
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What percentage do you need to become and Indian? Maybe I qualify...I will open up the biggest Casino..(with money from other greedy people of course).
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 7:22 AM
Only time will tell if the younger generation's ignoring of the elders' warnings will be detrimental. Welcoming organized crime, addiction and bankruptcy seems to be a risk worth taking for the chance at economic salvation.
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Sep 30, 10 7:22 AM
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Where does Mr. Gumbs stand on this?
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 7:32 AM
Possibly on a pile of money so high, he wont see the damage an east end casino will do to the area he claims is so precious to him and his people.
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:01 PM
Greedy??? Look at the United States Government who STOLE 99% of America from the Indians, and now have the authority to tell Indians just "how Indian" they are. Nobody complains about McDonalds greed, Chevy's greed or your neighbors greed but these Indians should be told again by the white man how to run his /her life.
Granted, most of the Shinnecock "Indians" are more Riverhead hoodlums than Amercian Indian, but that's the system that is in place. I'm a Cherokee but since my Great-Great Grandfather ...more
By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 7:33 AM
Hello...

I consistently do!
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Sep 30, 10 9:31 PM
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By VJLPOLO (3), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 11 9:29 PM
My people came over after 1900 so I did not take your land. It has been too long for you to still claim yourself as an Indian . Many people lost land in Africa, died in Germany, lost land in the West Bank, lost land in Ireland and on and on...
way after the Indians...
I have respect for you but dont abuse it...
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 7:46 AM
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By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 12:50 PM
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By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 2:16 PM
by the way...where on the east coast was your Cherokee family from?
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 2:21 PM
west of the Appalachians, central Kentucky down to northeast Tennessee. Where are you from? How'd you get here? Your families been in America for 100 years and you are going to tell me how it is and how it was? I don't think so.
By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 4:57 PM
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By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:31 AM
My dad is from the North Sea...the real North Sea....
Mom is from Ireland......if you ask them....they are American
By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:44 AM
I am a huge supporter of the Shinnecock's rights to do, well basically whatever they want.
I also look forward to a gaming facility located near Southampton.
I think it will do wonders for the local economy
Not to mention a rise in Crime, prostitution, and drugs!
Yay casino!
By Yamka (5), Southampton on Sep 30, 10 9:39 AM
Yeah, because there sure isn't any drugs or prostitution here now!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:14 AM
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Too bad you don't support other rights to the quiet and peaceful enjoyment of their homes and property. I don't support anyones right to do whatever they please. At best, you are misguided.
By Tommy27 (8), Baiting Hollow on Jun 15, 11 2:18 PM
One casino....... Gabreski airport,. Everyone should be happy with that location. No one wants to go to Belmont or Nassau. Thats what you are trying to get away from. When you go to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun you what to relax have a great meal, see a show. Who wants to do that in Queens or Uniondale.Gabreski is still rural, Its close to the reservation, yet far enough away from the Hamptons.If you put it at Calverton its just not excisable for the people of the reservation to get to each day. It takes ...more
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Sep 30, 10 9:44 AM
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Translation: Keep it kind of close so I won't have to travel too far to gamble, but far enough away from hometown so that I won't have to deal with the baggage (i.e. crime, drugs, prostitutes). More power to you opening your casinos near the mall or somewhere up the island, keep it the hell away from the Hamptons.
By Pedro Salazar (22), Center Moriches on Sep 30, 10 10:16 AM
Just try it. Just try.
By clam pie (161), Westhampton on Sep 30, 10 11:23 AM
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By miig64, Hayward on Sep 30, 10 3:58 PM
Don't fight it, it will only hurt more.... lol
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:15 AM
Joe, you seem like a smart man. Please do some real research. All that you love here will be gone...That is irrevocable.
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:06 PM
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Maybe so, but I feel if done properly It could be more like Mohegan Sun than trashy AC
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 8:52 PM
Potential rail access, two ferries within reasonable difference, that's Calverton. Running this is not about a potential commute, it's about your customers.

Gabreski, well, rail access would be tough. Unlike the Yaphank line, which passes by on the south side of Calverton.

Logistically, better access in Calverton...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 3:55 PM
Remember the commercial of the Indian crying when he saw garbage ~1970s
The Indian community was so sad..... What would that old man think now?
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 9:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OHG7tHrNM
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 9:54 AM
That "old man" was actor Iron Eyes Cody who wasn't the slightest bit Native American, having been born of Sicilian immigrants.

Effective commercial, though -- for its time.
By Frank Wheeler (1186), Northampton on Sep 30, 10 11:50 AM
Thanks! I guess like the spaghetti westerns...

It did have an effect on me as a kid! And as an adult...
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 2:59 PM
Don't think for a second considering Long Island as the marketplace that one,two or three casinos wouldn't be hugely successful. The Shinnecocks are going to need a tractor-trailer to deposit their money. Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods will still make it but the stupid moneymaking gravy days will be over for them, that's why they challenged. You open up a whole another form of entertainment on Long island that will be as easy to do as going to Target to shop.
By Mets fan (337), Southampton on Sep 30, 10 10:12 AM
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And we all will be fat and stupid
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 10:21 AM
Most of this country already is!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:12 AM
In my mind you are no longer indians
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 10:15 AM
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Too bad what's in you mind has no bearing on wether or not they are indians.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:17 AM
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LOL.... Guess you aren't fluent in SARCASM!!!!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 2:26 PM
Two problems here. First, three casinos seems like more than a bit much. Second, the location "near our homelands in Southampton" is a 100% non-starter because of the geography, the culture and the near-unanimous local opposition. People will be looking to our State legislators, Fred Thiele and Ken Lavalle, to prevent any State agreement that lets the tribe go overboard, and also to our County guy, Jay Schneiderman, to nix anything at Gabreski.
By fidelis (194), westhampton beach on Sep 30, 10 11:31 AM
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I live in Southampton between the village and the reservation and I am 100% IN SUPPORT of a casino. I think it would be awesome! Bring it on!

Hard to see where it could go on available land east of the Cut but certainly wouldn't bother me if they nuked one of those golf courses that's just north of the highway -- all private, members-only enclaves that do nothing for the community.
By Adrian (8), Southampton on Oct 6, 10 2:30 PM
Which came first...the chicken or the egg?
we already have crime-drugs-prostitutes in beautiful down town Riverhead.....soo where's the casino?
By uncleronk (136), southold on Sep 30, 10 12:21 PM
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cmon...Multiply that by thousands
it will change the east end forever! We will become Mastic with big houses and Casino
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 12:58 PM
LOL, that is a bit much! We would really have to work at it to become Mastic!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:18 AM
We are not that far...Thanks to huge beneficiary...we still have land. Bacon,,Salm...and on....
By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:49 AM
Anyone who claims crime as a reason to not bring a casino to the Hamptons must have turned a blind eye when passing the Southampton 7-11, or the EH Train Station, these people aren't Neighborhood Watch.
By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 12:55 PM
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Another stupid remark....have you seen the crime around a casino?
Your comment is like comparing a fist fight to ww2
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 1:02 PM
Been to Vegas lots of times and never ever felt in fear of my life while walking the streets or inside casinos. I bet you can't find anyone who says they feel safe walking the streets of Riverhead, local residents included. you don't like Indians, I get it.
By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 1:12 PM
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I love Indians! I spent alot of my childhood pretending I was one. My dad would take me to the pow wow every year...to get an indian bracelet. I read numerous books as I grew older. I can probably tell you more about the Indians than most people. What I do know is this goes against the grain of who they were and what they stand for.... It is about money and greed...if you want to turn the rest of the land into garbage...you are garbage!
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 1:34 PM
so if your friend has an idea to open a legal business, say a 7-11 and make a lot of money they are smart business people. But if the Indians decide to open a legal casino which there is no guarantee will turn a profit they are greedy. How does this logic work.
Driving around in Mercedes probably never crossed my ancestors mind either, but the Shinnecock do. I don't think all Indians live on the same moral plain, just like any other group of people. The LI Shinneock and the Midwest Sioux live ...more
By BGinEH (15), East Hampton on Sep 30, 10 5:09 PM
Well, I did see a "wanted" photo from a laptop.

However, that could be a desperate person from anywhere in those shoes, these days, I suppose...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Sep 30, 10 9:36 PM
You are not an indiian I am more than you by spirit alone....
By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 10:57 AM
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By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:15 PM
Sorry AC was nothing like the east end.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 2:28 PM
I think you're confused. Las Vegas was built by criminal elements. It is only in the relatively recent past that it has been transformed into what some may see as family friendly.

To say that Atlantic City was ever "a lot like us" is totally preposterous" except for it being near the ocean. Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun are the closest examples of what a Shinnecock casino may be like. What's your problem with them?
By VOS (542), WHB on Oct 1, 10 2:29 PM
Thank you, Bugsy Siegel...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 1, 10 4:26 PM
I agree
Oct 1, 10 8:55 PM appended by joe hampton
With VOS
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 8:55 PM
I go to Mohegan and Foxwoods 3 times a year and there is absolutely no crime around either one. Mohegan is beautiful and celebrates nature in its architecture and motif. The reason some of you are against this is you have local restaurants and shops you wish to remain competition free.Gabreski is in the middle of nowhere . It is perfect, and I happen to know It is more of a consideration than being reported.
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Sep 30, 10 1:23 PM
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that's the point.. crime-drugs-prostitution exist WITHOUT casinos not because of their presence.
By uncleronk (136), southold on Sep 30, 10 1:50 PM
uncledunk
it makes the problem much worse. Crime, drugs, prostituition will exist in every society.. look at the bible.
.it is a fact of life...We just want a nice place for our kids and grandkids
By kseal (37), southampton on Sep 30, 10 3:05 PM
Joe, Please, the demographics are totally different...Your aviator is a book. I imagine you read. Do some research...Please. I have a lot of respect for your point of view...But your beginning to sound like like a derelict on a box in Time square. Just because you "feel" an opinion doesn't always mean you should say it.
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:30 PM
I will consider it Soundview. Maybe I need to get off my "box" and stretch my legs for a day of Introspection.
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 9:01 PM
... seems the more the Shinnecocks try the further they get from any real progress. Put something real on the table, this latest proposal calling for three casinos is a joke. Do these "Gaming Authority" members have any expertise? Who says Long Island is the "greatest gaming market in the world"? I can't believe 200 Nassau real estate agents would meet with this group. Actually, I take that back. This story is getting real old.
By William Rodney (212), southampton on Sep 30, 10 1:35 PM
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Perhaps three casinos are proposed hoping that one will be approved. If everyone gets in an uproar about three, one doesn's sound so bad--pretty smart tactic and room for bargaining.
By Mrs.Sea (187), Sag Harbor on Sep 30, 10 4:47 PM
Or two, one is almost assured.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:24 AM
Build the casino on the res property right here in southampton, screw the citiots who think they can come to the east end then weasel their way into public influence or office and change our way of life.
By nosib (4), southampton on Sep 30, 10 8:04 PM
Huh?
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:32 PM
The people backing the Shinnecocks are going to bleed them dry. There is no way the state is going to agree to give them three casinos. For sure there will be no casino near NYC, that includes Nassau County. The state has too much invested in its own casino in Aqueduct to allow competition that close. The Shinnecocks will be allowed one casino and it will be in Suffolk County. They should feel blessed to get that!
By Walt (243), Southampton on Sep 30, 10 8:47 PM
I don't think people who bet on horses will just stop, because Blackjack, Craps and Roulette are available.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:27 AM
The one and only casino should be built on the Southampton college campus. Close to the reservation. The state owns the land and can deed it to the Shinnecocks in lieu of all their other land claims. You would have access from two highways. It would be another reason for people to come to the Hamptons!
By Walt (243), Southampton on Sep 30, 10 8:55 PM
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HAHA.... Good wind up Walt!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:34 AM
why don't they build in on their own reservation? they have room and its their land?
By justduckey (58), artist colony on Sep 30, 10 9:25 PM
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For one because of the traffic issue, which is why their Westwoods property in Hampton Bays is ideal. They could have their own exit off of Sunrise Highway which would serve the Casino. A hotel built on the the north side of the property would have great views out over the Peconic Bay.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 1:38 AM
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Early estimates are 8 MILLION visitors a year. That's about 153 THOUSAND cars every week end! Who do you think is going to pay for all of that maintenance? Please don't say the casino...That would just show how little research you've actually done. If this is a joke to you...Well SH must be a 2nd or 3rd home. Look at Atlantic City. Find some quotes from the boys from Chicago who are backing this project (If they're still on the web) It'll send chills down your spine. That's if you actually live ...more
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 2:50 PM
Fuzzy Math!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 6:43 PM
All Polemics aside, This surpasses complex on many points.

Should they be permitted to make "vice" the mainstream of their existence?

Is this agreeable to a majority of society?

No matter if you call it that (vice) or not, there will be responsible people who engage in it, and irresponsible people who engage in it.

It's the similar principle when it comes to ANY behavior, habit, or addiction.

It is not the substance that should be put to question, it ...more
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Sep 30, 10 9:41 PM
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By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:10 AM
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By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:05 AM
Do you choose to make yourself complicated...a defense i must asume...are you capable of spitting it out?
By kseal (37), southampton on Oct 1, 10 11:08 AM
Could you elaborate?

There is nothing simple in this life. Only the perception something is such. For every action, there is an equal, and opposite reaction. Chaos effect has some validity. Every action you take, has it's effect on everyone else around you in this world, no matter how minimal it may seem.
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 1, 10 4:31 PM
I think it is sad that a group with such great heritage can't find a way to earn a living that isn't based on selling cigarettes (= killing people) and gambling.
By tianabay (5), Hampton Bays on Oct 1, 10 11:53 AM
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Yeah, the like Shinnecocks are the only ones selling ciggarettes!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 5, 10 7:18 PM
Gabreski is not in the middle of nowhere.
By nutbeem (19), Westhampton on Oct 1, 10 12:15 PM
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Let's hope the Shinnecock are just staking out a negotiating position. Otherwise, it will be endless trouble.
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Oct 1, 10 12:47 PM
Don't be so gentle..Quiogue will be swallowed up by the same beast we're all afraid of...An east end casino...IT WILL BE THE END of our lifestyle(s) as we know it.
That is the only fact that can be guaranteed.
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 1:43 PM
The $hinnecock nations true colors are beginning to shine. As far as compensation is concerned... Aren't they living on some of the most expensive land in america TAX FREE! And thats been going on for decades! My ancestors were also hunted down like dogs murdered, plundered and driven off their land. And that happened less than 100 yrs. ago. I'm over it. NO ONE IS COMPENSATING ME!
THIS ALL ABOUT A SLICK WAY FOR A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE TO MAKE BUCKETS OF MONEY! The $HINNECOCKS are willing to destroy ...more
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 1, 10 1:38 PM
THIS JUST IN!

Newsday is reporting that the objections to Shinnecock recognition have been disallowed by the court.

Congratulations.
By VOS (542), WHB on Oct 1, 10 2:42 PM
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So what if it ruins the Hamptons, the taxes are already through the roof with no end in sight. Besides the east end actually ruined when the realtors, developers and builders started raping the farmland for the benefit of Cidiots who wanted trophy homes.
The irony is each person that has a house built out here expects their home to be the last built, because after their's is done , they start to GaF about the environment, community, density, traffic, etc....
The Shinnecock's desire to built ...more
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 2:46 PM
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Maybe salvation at this point is "like beating a dead horse".

Maybe the truth really is that the exploitation of the East End is at the point we should just let the fiscal rapists simply finish the job...
Oct 1, 10 4:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
On second thought, I probably couldn't live with myself if I did...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 1, 10 4:41 PM
Z and Soundview, The way I see it and have posted in the past. If we give in to the idea of a casino a little to the West. Most of the trash will not venture beyond that point. We could negotiate a deal were a portion of the $ would go to accelerated preservation of open space. We cant beat the casino at this point so why not use it to our advantage? Thoughts? Sorry Soundview I suppose I climed up on that box again.
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 9:11 PM
You also have to look at this logistically. This is not like Connecticut, where you have a significant amount of paved road, and more than reasonable numbers of access points.

Logistically, the best site would be Calverton, but maybe Gabreski will end up hosting it. Most of the traffic for the Calverton site would most likely be accomodated via the Orient, or Port Jeff ferries. This would mean 48 would have to handle the traffic, and end up choked at Sound Ave. , then over to 105, then ...more
Oct 2, 10 12:44 AM appended by Mr. Z
Also, I'm not saying this should, or should not happen. All I will say, is this needs to be thought through with careful consideration for all those who will be touched by it. Remember: "One man's Heaven, is another man's Hell.".
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 12:44 AM
I will start by saying, we are proud as a Nation for what has taken place today! And thank you for your negativity without that we cannot know what we should strive for as a people! For the most ignorant comments submitted here today.....brush up on your history, you are not a native by blood or spirit for coming to our pow wows and buying a couple bracelts as a litte girl. which ever parent accompanied you should have taught you some respect. We as indivduals do not bother the people of southampton ...more
By lbeeti (5), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 8:24 PM
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I have in the past refused to comment on such negativity this topic has always seem to concur. But to be honest with you I really hope 3 casinos are built and run more than half of you white trash people out of our area anyway. Maybe than you can go back to your homeland of England, Germany, Ireland, Australia, WHENEVER the hell you came from. The truth is the Shinnecock People welcomed YOUR ancestor's when they washed up on OUR shore only to be backstabbed, raped, killed, and have our land taken ...more
By NativeWoman (12), southampton on Oct 2, 10 11:20 AM
Frankly dear, my family was responsible for none of the despicable aspects of History you describe. My immediate family has been here since the '60's, and my extended family since the early 1900's. Members of my immediate family survived WW II, and later came here for a better life. Our entire extended family is on it's sixth generation here. We don't own million dollar homes, nor do we bathe ourselves in luxuries. Each generation has worked very hard physically, and mentally to provide security ...more
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 12:39 PM
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Mr. Z pretty much said it all. I would just add that when my relatives came here, first of all they didn't "wash up" on your shores. Furthermore your people sought their protection from the Narragansetts, to whom your tribe payed tribute. The first settlers had more respect for your people that isc why they created the 1000 years lease of Shinnecock Hills in 1703. It was those coming in the later part of the 1700's and through the 1800's that illegally dissolved that lease. Hating the English, Irish ...more
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 6, 10 8:36 PM
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By bobba (39), southampton on Oct 3, 10 7:47 PM
I suspect that historically the Shinnecocks have been better neighbors to us than we have been to them. I do not feel that we have any right to be telling them how to secure a better future for themselves. I wish them well.
By METCOMedia (113), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 8:35 PM
Thanks, for the nod...
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 4, 10 1:37 AM
If true that the Shinnecocks can build casinos anywhere in the state of NY with the permission of the legislature, it makes economical sense to locate it in a venue nearest to NYC of appropriate size.

I don't know the extent of state property holdings (or whether private property could be converted to state property via eminent domain) but the odds are that this casino will be located in western Nassau.

The deal to build in Nassau will probably contain a covenant against building ...more
By highhatsize (1892), East Quogue on Oct 4, 10 9:51 AM
3 Casinos is incredibly greedy... I see they waited until they had official recognition to make that announcement... so there would be no further resistance of people trying to prevent that from happening... so sneaky.
By eagleeye (27), Sag Harbor on Oct 4, 10 10:28 AM
As you can see, this article was written on Sept. 29th. The announcement of federal recognition came on Oct. 1st at 2:00pm.
By lbeeti (5), Southampton on Oct 4, 10 2:29 PM
Thanks lbeeti for correcting me. I am happy for the tribe, their recognition is long overdue, I just think 3 casinos is a greedy expectation.
By eagleeye (27), Sag Harbor on Oct 4, 10 4:06 PM
3 casinos? Who are they kidding? What are those smoke shops selling, anyway?
By clam pie (161), Westhampton on Oct 4, 10 12:20 PM
1 gigantic casino at nassau colliseum is the answer...minutes from the city an hour from the east end its a no brainer. It could handle the traffic and the crime couldnt get any worse in that area.
By GoldenBoy (157), EastEnd on Oct 4, 10 8:43 PM
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By METCOMedia (113), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 10:20 PM
Three smaller, well designed and appropriately located casinos makes sense to me.
By METCOMedia (113), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 10:22 PM
why should nassau get the money from the casino? leave the Shinnecocks alone . we need tax dollars and jobs coming to the island. how about 4 casinos?
By banjack (45), port jeff on Oct 5, 10 1:37 PM
The tribe's thuggery down on the Westwoods beach is an issue for me. Would I want to give, through betting, my hard-earned income to an organization that physically threatens innocent people leisurely walking on the beach?
By SHPredatorDept (26), Southampton on Oct 5, 10 6:07 PM
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Those people walking on the beach technically aren't innocent, they are guilty of trespassing. If people didn't act as though they had the right to be there, maybe the threats would not occur. Many people see a sandy beach and wrongfully assume it is for public use, that is not always the case.
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 5, 10 7:26 PM
I threatened them back and they folded very quickly , I have some friends who are shinnecocks but no one tells me I cant walk along the beach. The first 15 feet of shoreline belongs to no one. And pit bull or not, I would have taken them with me that day if they started, and I know you remember that day and I know you are reading this .Aho
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 5, 10 10:48 PM
Property ownership in that area starts at the median high water line. There is no easement or ROW above that. Wether you listen to what someone says or not is not the issue, the issue is wether you are guilty of trespass. If you think the Dongan Patent grants 15 feet along the shore, you need to read the document, because it doesn't say that anywhere in it!
By ICE (1175), Southampton on Oct 6, 10 9:28 PM
I have a damn good friend with a big heart, down on the reservation.

No matter how s**tfaced either of us gets together, we're still cool the next day, because we always agree, to disagree.

Compromise is an art, and often, one step beyond mercy.
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 7, 10 1:58 AM
I did compromise, Said too bad and continued my walk.
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 7, 10 9:39 AM
Mohegan Sun has 22 restaurants, cafes, coffee shops, buffets, two multi-station food courts, nine lounges and bars, and 41 retail and specialty shops. Mohegan Sun also has a 1,200 room luxury hotel with a private high limit table games suite on the 36th floor. The hotel includes 100,000 square feet of convention space and a 20,000 square foot spa. The facility includes a 10,000-seat Arena, a 410-seat lounge, and a 300-seat cabaret. There is also a child care facility and video arcade. It has parking ...more
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 6, 10 10:43 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zDH3oGm8Mk

Please watch... And then read some of the comments...Quite an education.
Also note I said earlier the backers were from Chicago. Sorry, they're from Detroit. Also The EST on visitors has climbed considerable over the last few years. Some have said possibly 8 million a year. Divide that by 52 weeks a year...

I'm listening if someone can tell me how we can sustain this w/o severe damage to the area?
By Soundview (87), Hampton bays on Oct 6, 10 10:59 AM
It will be easy to sustain if we deal with reality instead of your own fantastic Armageddon. Forget what "some" alarmists have said and get your "education" from what is realistic for all concerned. There will be no major gambling facility east of Riverhead.

I believe there remains a possibility of a small East End high stakes facility similar to Monte Carlo sometime in the future if the global economy warrants it. Beyond that, Parr Meadows or Calverton are the most likely locations ...more
By VOS (542), WHB on Oct 6, 10 12:50 PM
or Gabreski
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Oct 7, 10 9:41 AM
This is absolutely fantastic! I love table games and craps and would enjoy having a few casino options, especially a "classy" and "smaller" casino on the East End near my house. Bring it on! This is just fantastic!!!
By Adrian (8), Southampton on Oct 6, 10 2:08 PM
Also, a casino would mean YEAR ROUND business for the area! Perhaps then we wouldn't see so many empty storefronts in the off-season and there would a more sustainable base for the local economy.
By Adrian (8), Southampton on Oct 6, 10 2:50 PM
I say this is the perfect time for the Rechlers to stick it to the town like the town has been sticking it to them. Sell the CPI property to the indians and lets them build a 18 story highrise hotel, casino, convention center. We will have many year round jobs, we will annoy the anoying up on eleanor road and such. If we let them build in the original spot off of Newtown rd we could have had entrance and exit ramps right into their parking lot. Hats off to Riverhead town who have nutured the business ...more
By fetupwithSHT (16), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 7:24 PM
And, I quote:

I have a damn good friend with a big heart, down on the reservation. We are all human. End of list.

No matter how s**tfaced either of us gets together now and again, we're still cool the next day, because we always agree, to disagree.

Compromise is an art, and often, one step beyond mercy.
By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 7, 10 2:16 AM
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By Mr. Z (5609), North Sea on Oct 7, 10 2:18 AM
Congratulations, Marple, we hadn't realized you'd been named the Northeast Duchess of Gaming whereby you, and only you, get to decide where and how many casinos are enough.

Please, Mr. Editor, give us a feature on Ms. Marple - we need to know how this all came about!
By VOS (542), WHB on Oct 9, 10 2:20 PM
Ignorance is apparently bliss for those fed with a silver spoon. Why are there people so opposed to economic growth and providing jobs for those who have lost them in recent years. I can only assume that the people who oppose the casino effort are the same ones who own businesses that have profited, cut back on jobs and lowered wages to a not even managable, livable wage. I know of a lot of big companies who hire people at minium wage and expect these people to do the work of three people and then ...more
By Jobs4LI (1), Middle Island on Oct 27, 10 10:12 AM
THE HISTROY WE ARE TAUGHT SAYS INDIANS LOBE THE LAND, REPECDT THE ENVIORMENT ARE HONEST AND SPIRITUAL BEINGS
HENCE IS THER A SHINNECOCK WHO CAN NOW SLEEP
By VJLPOLO (3), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 11 8:55 PM
BEFORE ONE RUNS THEY WALK-BEFORE WALK CRAWL
WELL BEFORE *GAMBLING WHAT ABOUT SCHOOLING? CHILDREN AND ADULTS?
JOBS? STORES? THAT SELL OTHER THEN CANCER THEY MUST TEACH THE YOUNG MORE THEN SUTTING BEHIND A DESK AND COLLECT GAMBLINGS
OR IS THAT BETTER THEN HARD WORK, HONESTY, TEACHING THE YOUTH
HOW SAD
By VJLPOLO (3), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 1, 11 9:01 PM
Three casinos is really pushing it. Just because the tribe has land claims in the Southampton area does not give them the right to push themselves all over the rest of Long Island. The North Fork has beautiful wineries and farms and should be off limits to this carnival contamination, and the South Fork should be avoided as well, with the exception of the Reservation itself. Federal law is usually very strict about off-Reservation gambling, and to want 3 off Reservation locations is really greedy. ...more
By Tommy27 (8), Baiting Hollow on Jun 15, 11 2:12 PM
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