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Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

pstevens, we can do lots of illegal things if we know what we are doing. oh, and a large percentage of modern firearms are semi auto. Doesn't make them any more or less dangerous." Dec 18, 12 6:02 PM

Phil, please. Now you are being irrational. Should someone take away my car because some moron doesn't have the common sense to call a taxi when he has to much to drink? Gun Control does not work. Stop trying to act like you are the smartest person on the board." Dec 18, 12 7:01 PM

No, people should fight for their rights." Dec 18, 12 7:02 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Congress will seriously look into this but I have serious doubts that it will go anywhere. Congressman will not want to lose their jobs like they did after Clinton's AWB. I think the sates will enact much tougher laws, not that they will help, Connecticut has the 5th toughest laws in the country." Dec 18, 12 7:05 PM

When you say things like this you seem dumb, which I'm pretty sure you are not. You actually seem pretty intelligent but you can post some foolish things. The gun business loathes tragedies like this. More restrictive laws means less revenue. In the short term, sales will spike as people fear that they will not be able to purchase ammo or guns. In the long run, firearms companies lose money. Phil, I understand what these gun companies do with money and lobbying efforts but to suggest that they desire more mass shootings is ridiculous." Dec 18, 12 7:36 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

I'm all for preventing these tragedies, but more gun control measures are not the answer. Please stop trying to bait me with loaded questions. It is not an either/or question." Dec 18, 12 7:39 PM

Most people are just scared of guns and think if you ban them, or at least the "dangerous" ones, all will be well. Even people who are otherwise intelligent buy into this. It is just so easy, and then, there you are - you have solved the problem!

Psychologists know that humans greatly over estimate the risk and danger of rare but horrific events and consequently overreact to them. This includes events like mass shootings and plane crashes. This is especially true when those events have a "random" nature which the person who might be affected cannot control. People want control, so the appeal to "do something" is almost irresistible, even if that something is unlikely to succeed.

And we underestimate dangers that are commonplace and not so horrible in their scale. We all face the biggest risk of the day on the drive to work. But does it scare us? Not in the slightest. We are inured to it, and feel, rightly or wrongly, that we can significantly influence what happens to us in the car. Perhaps we can have that influence, but the fact remains that a car ride is one of the most dangerous things we do, statistically. Yet, we have no fear, and fail to do simple things that could mitigate the risk." Dec 18, 12 7:55 PM

Mr Z, the reason no "NRA zealot" has taken them out is because they occur in gun free zones. Only people allowed to have guns are criminals and the crazy.

I do my own research, as do you.

What is your definition of "military grade"?. I can list dozens of weapons that are non military that would have been equally potent as the ones he used. Bolt action hunting rifles,lever action rifles, shotguns, revolvers. Even small caliber .22 rifles( consequently the caliber that might have the most deaths associated with it) Anybody who trains with them can use them for evil. It's is the intent or the actoin that we have to stop, not the tool.

" Dec 18, 12 8:36 PM

Yes, that is probably the reason." Dec 18, 12 8:37 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Phil, you really are way off on this one. The NRA didn't even come out with a statement about this until today, maybe you should go read it.

The gun lobby isn't the only lobby that preys on fear, that is disingenuous." Dec 18, 12 8:41 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Banana clips?, really? Just for clarification, they are called magazines, not clips. That is hollywood or uninformed jargon, but that is besides the point. What is reasonable? What would you be ok with people owning?" Dec 18, 12 8:54 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Phil, you are the most divisive poster on this site. Please take it easy on the drama. Where is this fear you suggesting?" Dec 18, 12 9:04 PM

I dont answer BS trap questions. Like I said before, it is not an either/or question that you presented. You love this style of childish debate, making outrageous statements(defense of allowing more tragedies, gun companies loving mass shootings, etc.) and I grow tired of it so I am done responding to you on this topic. You obviously have your mind made up so I won't bother trying to point out the irrationality of your position." Dec 18, 12 9:36 PM

First of all, thanks for being a teacher. This must have hit you especially hard. The reason we argue for mag capacity is because the criminal can get hi-cap mags. Why should we be put in a situation where the intruder clearly has the advantage? Sounds silly but is entirely possible, even probable. It doesn't matter what gun or what mag capacity is, we cannot prevent these types of tragedies through tougher gun laws. CT already had very strict laws and it didn't help. I don't know what could have helped in this situation." Dec 18, 12 9:45 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Mr Z, what do you mean by escalation?" Dec 18, 12 9:49 PM

Good point about the pilots Cap. I do think that passengers are more aware as well and would not allow a repeat of 9-11 to occur. I believe the same would hold true if more citizens were armed and trained properly." Dec 18, 12 9:57 PM

I would prefer to see schools fortify their access and security(sad but necessary). I have to be buzzed into my kid's school but the front doors are made mostly out of unfortified glass, would be easy to smash and enter. Don't know how I feel about arming teachers, even if they volunteered for it. It is kind of unprecedented. I have studied enough on the subject of gun control over the years to feel certain that tougher laws will have little impact. You can't legislate morality or personal responsibility." Dec 18, 12 10:12 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

SHNative, get a clue. Automatic weapons are already banned. Semi-automatic weapons are marginally faster than their predecessors. Caliber or bullet type are much more important factors.

Bishop wouldn't know a stand if someone threw lemonade in his face." Dec 18, 12 10:38 PM

SHNative, you need more education(practical if possible) and less emotion." Dec 19, 12 7:12 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Personal protection from criminals and crazies, nothing more." Dec 19, 12 7:14 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Do your research, neither worked to lower violence. Numbers manipulation" Dec 19, 12 7:19 PM

It would not have been banned even if the AWB didn't expire. Get your info straight dd." Dec 19, 12 7:23 PM

Hey WH, where did I say it wasn't fast enough? You need better reading comprehension and less emotion, tool." Dec 19, 12 7:25 PM

Not even close to 100%. Discussing topics on this site is an exercise in futility. " Dec 19, 12 10:34 PM

That's just it SHNative, he didn't have a right a possess a firearm, in fact he was denied one. He stole them from his mother, who in an act of total irresponsibility, left the guns in an unsecured state with a child who was mentally unfit.( and once again, it was not an automatic weapon that he had)" Dec 20, 12 11:11 AM

Mr Z, where does it say being in a militia is required? I don't see it and don't see how you could speculate that that was what they meant? They wanted citizens to be able to have guns in case a militia needed to be formed. Doesn't say that either, I know, but my guess is as good as yours. We can keep trying to speculate on what they meant, but the bottom line is that SCOTUS has already made their ruling and I doubt that is ever going to change." Dec 20, 12 6:05 PM

Good post Nature." Dec 20, 12 6:06 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Yes doublestandard, but trying to define "irresponsible" is the key and will prove to be the obstacle." Dec 20, 12 6:08 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Keeping in mind the statistical rarity and relatively tiny death toll of mass shootings to begin with, will banning high capacity bans lower the number of people killed in mass shootings? All we have to do is look at one of the deadliest shootings in the world: the Virginia Tech massacre.

With one pistol of 10-round capacity and one pistol of 15-round capacity, Cho killed more people than anyone has ever killed in a single U.S. shooting incident. He didn’t need any massive magazines or custom weapons. The embarrassingly simple reason that magazine size restrictions can’t lessen the lethality of mass shooters is that it doesn’t matter how many rounds fit in a magazine if a shooter has multiple magazines. When one runs out, they can simply drop it and pop another in, a process which takes five seconds at most. (Less than half a second, if you happen to be this guy.) Cho was able to carry out this massacre because he carried a backpack containing 19 magazines, a fact not well-publicized." Dec 21, 12 11:18 AM

The NRA offered a solution, one that will definitely be met with a lot of resistance, but an offer nonetheless. What do you guys propose to curb violence and protect schools?" Dec 21, 12 2:59 PM

OK, what do you think that solution is?" Dec 21, 12 3:14 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

"The difference being AR-15's and there like are designed specifically to kill efficiently" What complete, uninformed nonsense. Surely you have watched too many movies. The AR-15 is no more "efficient" than any other rifle. They all fire high speed projectiles. This distortion is a result of the creators of the AWB. They decided to define what would be an "assault weapon". When the category of “assault weapon” had finally been conjured into being, all of its included firearms together accounted for less than 2% of violent crime. None of them had any more functionality than a hunting rifle. The AWB was founded on image rather than reality." Dec 21, 12 3:33 PM

Haha" Dec 21, 12 5:38 PM

Merry X-mas to you as well." Dec 21, 12 6:10 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

PBR, Congress is also going to remember all of the jobs they lost when they voted for the 1994 AWB. I think this is going to be more of a state issue than a federal one. States will enact tougher laws but crime rate, murder rate, etc will not go down. Change is definitely in the air but it isn't the first time that the knee jerk reaction to appease the masses had no effect except to take more of our freedom." Dec 21, 12 6:26 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many of you posting have any actual firearms experience? Real experience is completely different from anything you see on tv. movies or media. You can read all the books you want, or post endlessly about the evils of gun ownership, but unless you actually have spent time training with firearms, it would be difficult to understand why we value our rights." Dec 21, 12 6:35 PM

Did you really think the liberal media was going to approve anything that he said? As a lifetime member I have sometimes cringed at the things that come out of his mouth but they have done a good job at defending the 2A." Dec 21, 12 6:37 PM

Nature, I absolutely agree that mental health should be the focus." Dec 21, 12 6:40 PM

Neither is the opposite, never been proven as the numbers don't lie. So, the important thing is where do we go from here. We need real solutions. People's lives are depending on it." Dec 21, 12 7:19 PM

It is not about hunting for me, I don't hunt. I practice defensive firearms, mainly for defense inside the home. What I am trying to convey is it is not the gun laws. Gun control does not mean less crime. Criminals are going to commit terrible crimes and I want to make sure I am able to protect my family against whatever the criminal throws at us. Unfortunately for the responsible gun owner, some cowardly nut goes on a rampage and here we are. We all know the cycle by now: Tragic incident occurs, both sides attempt to use it for their political gain, both sides act shocked that the other would attempt to use it for political gain, insults are flung, statistics are cherry-picked, rinse, repeat." Dec 21, 12 8:55 PM

'facepalm'" Dec 21, 12 9:34 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

God point double d. Don't forget accidental drownings and poisoning which greatly outnumber mass shootings." Dec 22, 12 9:23 AM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

You don't want to hear the reason. Neither does SHNative. Taking these guns away, or mags, won't prevent something like this from happening. He just happened to have an ar-15. He could have perpetrated the same heinous act with any number of other weapons. "Not to sound callous but Mass shootings are a tiny, tiny problem. Which isn’t to say that they aren’t utterly horrifying in more than one way. People’s lives are destroyed, both literally and figuratively. If we were to prioritize our political attention to topics according to how many lives were at stake, mass shootings wouldn’t even be on the radar.

Factoring in the rate of death caused by mass shootings from Columbine to the present (about 230 people in 13 years), it will be more than 300 years until we reach the number of casualties that occur from accidental drownings every single year in this country. In a little more than 150 years from now, we’ll approach the number of people who are poisoned to death every single year in this country. Sometime in 2014 we might surpass the number of people struck by lightning every single year in this country.

Which is to say that mass shootings are incredibly rare and don’t kill a lot of people when they do happen.

It is tempting to ask why accidental drowning is not 340 times more important a social issue than gun control. Or why poisoning isn’t 150 times as pressing a political issue. (If the number of people dying is truly what’s important, almost anything would be more pressing.) The problem is not hard to understand though, and rests in a psychological concept known as the “logical fallacy of misleading vividness”.

The fallacy of misleading vividness is when the thought, imagery or reality of something is so emotionally potent – positively or negatively – that you begin to overestimate the likelihood and frequency of its occurrence. This is why many people are afraid to fly. They can understand intellectually that crashes almost never happen, and that airplanes are statistically the safest way to travel, but the idea of being torn apart mid-air, or knowing that they’re about to die for a full two minutes in freefall, or being dragged under the ocean while stuck inside the cabin is so vivid and disturbing, that they actually experience intense fear about a process that is safer than their drive to the airport.

This is what happens to us collectively as a nation when mass shootings occur. Yes, it is terrible, for both the person who was so disturbed and all the people they harmed. It puts on graphic display the absolute worst aspects of our culture, which is painful to watch.

However, it is also an incredible statistical deviation from the norm, objectively inflicting far less suffering and death than many other ways that people are far more likely to die. This is an important point. When our policy becomes based on emotional content rather than facts, we are heading in the wrong direction."" Dec 22, 12 12:53 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Great argument PBR, nothing like going to extremes." Dec 22, 12 12:55 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

If someone were to drive a car through a shopping mall, injuring or killing dozens of people, would you suggest that we take away cars, a tool consequently that kills more people than guns do every year?" Dec 22, 12 1:09 PM

I might not completely disagree with a ban on 30 rounders except it won't end there. We let that happen, then eventually more things are banned. I can fire 30 rounds out of 3 10 round mags almost as fast as one 30 rounder. I think the diference was 8 seconds, not really a big difference. If i really thought that banning them would make a difference and keep me safe, I would be all for it. Besides, the horse is kind of out of the barn already isn't it?" Dec 22, 12 1:43 PM

Well thank goodness we can't just arbitrarily change constitutional amendments. That would be a heck of a precedent huh?" Dec 22, 12 3:02 PM

SHNative, do you know how many people's lives are saved every year because they are allowed to own firearms and therefore have the ability to protect themselves? There are articles almost daily of people who thwart home invasions because they are armed. What happened in Sandy Hook is the worst thing I have ever seen, worse IMO than 9-11 because it targeted children but you can't take away the rights of millions because of one crazy who should have been prevented from having access to fireams." Dec 22, 12 3:06 PM

Mr Z, I would absolutely in in favor of more stringent licensing requirements for firearms ownership. In fact, that my be a very good start. I will have to think about your question. I would think both are dangerous in the wrong hands, but not sure which is more dangerous. I have been in car accidents but never had any accidents with my firearms." Dec 22, 12 3:09 PM

I agree PBR. Naturally people just want to target guns but in the end a lot more is going to need to be done to fix the problem and make us all safer." Dec 22, 12 3:22 PM

Mr. Z, you are a very intelligent poster but you lose people with your air of superiority and your insults. You can't change people's minds by insulting them." Dec 22, 12 3:24 PM

Survival is a basic human instinct. I don't believe you that you would just give up; you haven't given up in this discussion, wink wink. I like having an AR for one reason, I may need it. I hope I never do but you know the saying "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

I think that instead of a slower rate of fire I would prefer someone armed to shoot back and stop the threat. Remember this, a ban will only affect law abiding citizens. It will not prevent criminals from possessing and using firearms. Look at the recent tragedies, they all took place in gun free zones where nobody was armed. The cowards picked these places because they knew there would be little resistance. I absolutely respect your decision not to want own a firearm, please don't take away my right to do so." Dec 22, 12 11:41 PM

"Fight fire with dynamite"? Wouldn't you call that escalation?

Haha, just being a wiseass:)" Dec 22, 12 11:43 PM

PBR, I am sorry I did not see this post before. You are right on the money." Dec 23, 12 12:28 AM

Hey Stinker, how so?" Dec 23, 12 5:11 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Why do you guys even bother arguing with him. Just ignore him and have a stress free 27east experience. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does Phil make a sound?" Dec 24, 12 4:17 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Once again you let emotion overwhelm you and you get the facts incorrect. This guy was a criminal with no second amendment rights." Dec 26, 12 12:09 AM

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