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In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

OK, what do you think that solution is?" Dec 21, 12 3:14 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

"The difference being AR-15's and there like are designed specifically to kill efficiently" What complete, uninformed nonsense. Surely you have watched too many movies. The AR-15 is no more "efficient" than any other rifle. They all fire high speed projectiles. This distortion is a result of the creators of the AWB. They decided to define what would be an "assault weapon". When the category of “assault weapon” had finally been conjured into being, all of its included firearms together accounted for less than 2% of violent crime. None of them had any more functionality than a hunting rifle. The AWB was founded on image rather than reality." Dec 21, 12 3:33 PM

Haha" Dec 21, 12 5:38 PM

Merry X-mas to you as well." Dec 21, 12 6:10 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

PBR, Congress is also going to remember all of the jobs they lost when they voted for the 1994 AWB. I think this is going to be more of a state issue than a federal one. States will enact tougher laws but crime rate, murder rate, etc will not go down. Change is definitely in the air but it isn't the first time that the knee jerk reaction to appease the masses had no effect except to take more of our freedom." Dec 21, 12 6:26 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many of you posting have any actual firearms experience? Real experience is completely different from anything you see on tv. movies or media. You can read all the books you want, or post endlessly about the evils of gun ownership, but unless you actually have spent time training with firearms, it would be difficult to understand why we value our rights." Dec 21, 12 6:35 PM

Did you really think the liberal media was going to approve anything that he said? As a lifetime member I have sometimes cringed at the things that come out of his mouth but they have done a good job at defending the 2A." Dec 21, 12 6:37 PM

Nature, I absolutely agree that mental health should be the focus." Dec 21, 12 6:40 PM

Neither is the opposite, never been proven as the numbers don't lie. So, the important thing is where do we go from here. We need real solutions. People's lives are depending on it." Dec 21, 12 7:19 PM

It is not about hunting for me, I don't hunt. I practice defensive firearms, mainly for defense inside the home. What I am trying to convey is it is not the gun laws. Gun control does not mean less crime. Criminals are going to commit terrible crimes and I want to make sure I am able to protect my family against whatever the criminal throws at us. Unfortunately for the responsible gun owner, some cowardly nut goes on a rampage and here we are. We all know the cycle by now: Tragic incident occurs, both sides attempt to use it for their political gain, both sides act shocked that the other would attempt to use it for political gain, insults are flung, statistics are cherry-picked, rinse, repeat." Dec 21, 12 8:55 PM

'facepalm'" Dec 21, 12 9:34 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

God point double d. Don't forget accidental drownings and poisoning which greatly outnumber mass shootings." Dec 22, 12 9:23 AM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

You don't want to hear the reason. Neither does SHNative. Taking these guns away, or mags, won't prevent something like this from happening. He just happened to have an ar-15. He could have perpetrated the same heinous act with any number of other weapons. "Not to sound callous but Mass shootings are a tiny, tiny problem. Which isn’t to say that they aren’t utterly horrifying in more than one way. People’s lives are destroyed, both literally and figuratively. If we were to prioritize our political attention to topics according to how many lives were at stake, mass shootings wouldn’t even be on the radar.

Factoring in the rate of death caused by mass shootings from Columbine to the present (about 230 people in 13 years), it will be more than 300 years until we reach the number of casualties that occur from accidental drownings every single year in this country. In a little more than 150 years from now, we’ll approach the number of people who are poisoned to death every single year in this country. Sometime in 2014 we might surpass the number of people struck by lightning every single year in this country.

Which is to say that mass shootings are incredibly rare and don’t kill a lot of people when they do happen.

It is tempting to ask why accidental drowning is not 340 times more important a social issue than gun control. Or why poisoning isn’t 150 times as pressing a political issue. (If the number of people dying is truly what’s important, almost anything would be more pressing.) The problem is not hard to understand though, and rests in a psychological concept known as the “logical fallacy of misleading vividness”.

The fallacy of misleading vividness is when the thought, imagery or reality of something is so emotionally potent – positively or negatively – that you begin to overestimate the likelihood and frequency of its occurrence. This is why many people are afraid to fly. They can understand intellectually that crashes almost never happen, and that airplanes are statistically the safest way to travel, but the idea of being torn apart mid-air, or knowing that they’re about to die for a full two minutes in freefall, or being dragged under the ocean while stuck inside the cabin is so vivid and disturbing, that they actually experience intense fear about a process that is safer than their drive to the airport.

This is what happens to us collectively as a nation when mass shootings occur. Yes, it is terrible, for both the person who was so disturbed and all the people they harmed. It puts on graphic display the absolute worst aspects of our culture, which is painful to watch.

However, it is also an incredible statistical deviation from the norm, objectively inflicting far less suffering and death than many other ways that people are far more likely to die. This is an important point. When our policy becomes based on emotional content rather than facts, we are heading in the wrong direction."" Dec 22, 12 12:53 PM

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Great argument PBR, nothing like going to extremes." Dec 22, 12 12:55 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

If someone were to drive a car through a shopping mall, injuring or killing dozens of people, would you suggest that we take away cars, a tool consequently that kills more people than guns do every year?" Dec 22, 12 1:09 PM

I might not completely disagree with a ban on 30 rounders except it won't end there. We let that happen, then eventually more things are banned. I can fire 30 rounds out of 3 10 round mags almost as fast as one 30 rounder. I think the diference was 8 seconds, not really a big difference. If i really thought that banning them would make a difference and keep me safe, I would be all for it. Besides, the horse is kind of out of the barn already isn't it?" Dec 22, 12 1:43 PM

Well thank goodness we can't just arbitrarily change constitutional amendments. That would be a heck of a precedent huh?" Dec 22, 12 3:02 PM

SHNative, do you know how many people's lives are saved every year because they are allowed to own firearms and therefore have the ability to protect themselves? There are articles almost daily of people who thwart home invasions because they are armed. What happened in Sandy Hook is the worst thing I have ever seen, worse IMO than 9-11 because it targeted children but you can't take away the rights of millions because of one crazy who should have been prevented from having access to fireams." Dec 22, 12 3:06 PM

Mr Z, I would absolutely in in favor of more stringent licensing requirements for firearms ownership. In fact, that my be a very good start. I will have to think about your question. I would think both are dangerous in the wrong hands, but not sure which is more dangerous. I have been in car accidents but never had any accidents with my firearms." Dec 22, 12 3:09 PM

I agree PBR. Naturally people just want to target guns but in the end a lot more is going to need to be done to fix the problem and make us all safer." Dec 22, 12 3:22 PM

Mr. Z, you are a very intelligent poster but you lose people with your air of superiority and your insults. You can't change people's minds by insulting them." Dec 22, 12 3:24 PM

Survival is a basic human instinct. I don't believe you that you would just give up; you haven't given up in this discussion, wink wink. I like having an AR for one reason, I may need it. I hope I never do but you know the saying "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

I think that instead of a slower rate of fire I would prefer someone armed to shoot back and stop the threat. Remember this, a ban will only affect law abiding citizens. It will not prevent criminals from possessing and using firearms. Look at the recent tragedies, they all took place in gun free zones where nobody was armed. The cowards picked these places because they knew there would be little resistance. I absolutely respect your decision not to want own a firearm, please don't take away my right to do so." Dec 22, 12 11:41 PM

"Fight fire with dynamite"? Wouldn't you call that escalation?

Haha, just being a wiseass:)" Dec 22, 12 11:43 PM

PBR, I am sorry I did not see this post before. You are right on the money." Dec 23, 12 12:28 AM

Hey Stinker, how so?" Dec 23, 12 5:11 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Why do you guys even bother arguing with him. Just ignore him and have a stress free 27east experience. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does Phil make a sound?" Dec 24, 12 4:17 PM

In Wake of Sandy Hook Massacre, Bishop Says Congress Must Seriously Address Gun Control

Once again you let emotion overwhelm you and you get the facts incorrect. This guy was a criminal with no second amendment rights." Dec 26, 12 12:09 AM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Great quote by TJ, Mr. Z." Dec 27, 12 9:39 PM

"Sweeping one-sized-fits-all legislation, of the kind that power-hungry Washington politicians prefer to pass, is not the answer to the age-old problem of why in rare cases mentally disturbed individuals take out their anger on innocent people using deadly means. There are unintended and possibly even fatal consequences for Congress tightening gun laws that dangerous criminals already ignore."" Dec 28, 12 4:30 PM

Chicago just had its 500th homicide this year, 87.5 % of wich were gun related and this in a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. How do you account for the staggering rates of gun violence in Chicago compared to other areas that do not have such strict gun laws and experience less gun violence?" Dec 28, 12 9:46 PM

No offense, just the wrong thread." Dec 29, 12 6:21 PM

Stretch Of Flanders Road Reopened Morning After Crash That Pulled Down Wires; Driver Charged With DWI

Maybe we should ban alcohol....yeah, we know how that turned out." Dec 29, 12 9:42 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Great word Z" Dec 30, 12 2:54 PM

Um, no." Dec 30, 12 7:32 PM

Politicians, regardless of party, are an inept group who haven't given us even a glimpse of the know how or even the want to get us out of the mess that we are in. My guess is that we will stay in gradual decline for the foreseeable future." Dec 30, 12 8:40 PM

While I agree with Nature that to suggest Obummer has delegated all of his responsibilities is a stretch, I agree whole heartedly that he is a terrible leader. What he said yesterday was beyond ridiculous. If he isn't part of the solution then he is part of the problem." Jan 1, 13 3:20 PM

TCM, I think we agree that Biden is a clown, as is most of the current assministration. " Jan 1, 13 9:13 PM

I agree Joe, instead of worrying about their free s**t." Jan 1, 13 9:16 PM

Hey TCM, great avatar!!" Jan 1, 13 9:17 PM

Holy cow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black." Jan 2, 13 8:32 PM

A Plan To Make East Hampton's Duck Pond More Friendly To All

Wonder why there are so many rats in the surrounding areas?" Jan 3, 13 10:38 PM

House Of Representatives Approves Some Sandy Funding

Just like the TARP bill, right? Some of us know how that turned out." Jan 5, 13 4:12 PM

You continue to show how little you know." Jan 5, 13 4:13 PM

Great article that you posted in other thread Z" Jan 5, 13 6:57 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

According to Gallup polls, armed guards at schools is more popular than banning assault weapons and the NRA is as popular as the President and three times as popular as Congress. Go figure with the great group we have running this country into the ground." Jan 6, 13 5:58 PM

Gallup had been pretty good. Not to say they haven't been wrong but they have the pulse more often than not." Jan 6, 13 7:43 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Haha, couldn't help myself Dan." Jan 9, 13 1:22 PM

Cops: Sag Harbor Woman Injured In North Haven Crash Stable, But Critical

You should ask a lawyer whether or not it is a good idea to be discussing your accident on a public forum. " Jan 9, 13 2:07 PM

Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control analyzed ammunition bans, restrictions on acquisition of firearms, waiting periods, registration, licensing, child access prevention and zero tolerance laws. After their analysis, the Centers for Disease Control concluded there was no conclusive evidence that any gun control laws reduced gun violence. Foreign researchers have also come to the same conclusion. In Australia in 2008, a peer reviewed study at the University of Sydney reached virtually the same conclusions as both the National Academy of Sciences and the Centers for Disease Control. Gun control measures simply do not reduce gun violence." Jan 9, 13 3:18 PM

Doubtful as they are way to sensitive. Someone's feelings might get hurt." Jan 10, 13 2:17 PM

'crickets'" Jan 10, 13 9:30 PM

"Large U.S. cities that the rest of the world used to look at in envy are now being transformed into gang-infested hellholes with skyrocketing crime rates. Cities such as Chicago, Detroit, Camden, East St. Louis, New Orleans and Oakland were once bustling with economic activity, but as industry has fled those communities poverty has exploded and so has criminal activity. Meanwhile, financial problems have caused all of those cities to significantly reduce their police forces. Sadly, this same pattern is being repeated in hundreds of communities all over the nation. The mainstream media loves to focus on mass shooters such as Adam Lanza, but the reality is that gang violence is a far greater problem in the United States than mass shooters ever will be. There are approximately 1.4 million gang members living in America today according to the FBI. That number has shot up by a whopping 40 percent just since 2009. There are several factors fueling this trend. Unemployment among our young people is at an epidemic level, about one out of every three U.S. children lives in a home without a father, and there are millions of young men who have come into this country illegally and have no way to legally support themselves once they arrive in our cities. Gangs provide a support system, a feeling of “community”, and a sense of purpose for many young people. Unfortunately, most of these gangs use violence and crime to achieve their goals, and they are taking over communities all over America. If your community is not a gang-infested war zone yet, you should consider yourself to be very fortunate. If nothing is done about this, the violence and the crime that is fueled by these gangs will continue to spread, and eventually nearly every single community in the United States will be affected by it."" Jan 10, 13 10:42 PM

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~ Ben Franklin" Jan 10, 13 10:49 PM

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

~ Benjamin Franklin" Jan 10, 13 10:50 PM

Oh how cute, Z has a parrot." Jan 10, 13 11:04 PM

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington" Jan 10, 13 11:16 PM

"Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition."
CNN is calling it "a gift to the nation's powerful gun lobby."
And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010."" Jan 13, 13 10:47 AM

"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]" Jan 14, 13 12:49 PM

You make broad statements consistent with a person ruled more by emotion than reality. One more time for the learning impaired, "gun control does not and will not prevent crime, especially mass shootings". Mass shootings are very rare occurrences. Not to say that they aren't horrifying and that they reveal the worst in us as a society but banning "assault(a term coined by politicians) weapons" will not help. All it does is take away our freedom and make us weaker, and that is a fact.

The Supreme Court has spoken on the matter recently(Heller) so please don't take some quote from Scalia and twist what he said because he wan't discussing rifles or handguns.

For the record, I am for much more stringent background checks with reasonable waiting periods(right now there is no waiting period in NY). High capacity mag bans means nothing as far as crime prevention. As soon as you make them illegal you will create a black market for them and the only people who will own them are the ones the new laws propose to prevent ownership to." Jan 14, 13 4:09 PM

Peoplefirst, what is your definition of an "assault weapons"? What criteria do you use to make this definition? What type of weapon would you be comfortable with law abiding citizens owning?" Jan 14, 13 4:12 PM

With proper training, that is any weapon. That could be done with a double barrel shotgun. You didn't answer my question(s) either because you know very little about firearms or because emotion won't allow you to think about it rationally( not to say that his makes you a bad person, just uninformed and perhaps susceptible to bad info) How will gun bans prevent future crime? Consider current drug laws and their effectiveness when answering.

That poll called approximately 1500 people on either there home line or cell line and asked for the youngest member of the household. Excuse me for questioning whether or not that represents popular views

I agree that making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks, and laws to prevent people with mental illness from purchasing guns are a MUST but I have a feeling that as usual politicians will overreach and convince most people unfamiliar with firearms or basic freedoms that they are safer without guns.
" Jan 14, 13 4:48 PM

CaptainSig, this is why I asked for a definition. There really isn't a good or universal one as the term was coined by Democrats that were proposing the 1994 bill. The term, assault weapon, when used in the context of assault weapon laws refers primarily (but not exclusively) to semi-automatic firearms that possess the cosmetic features of an assault rifle that is fully automatic.

Most of the defining characteristics(pistol grip, telescoping stock, bayonet lug, flash suppressor, etc.) included in the AWB do not hinder or enhance the weapons’ effectiveness or accuracy. While semi-automatic weapons can be fired faster than other firearms, a large number of semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns remained legal in the U.S. after the adoption of the AWB.

The AR-15, one of the rifles that became an assault weapon with the passage of the AWB because of its physical characteristics, is a .223 caliber. The .223 is smaller and less lethal than many rifle calibers. In most states, a .223 is not permitted for hunting big game because of the caliber’s ineffectiveness at bringing down animals such as deer and elk.

The legislators based their definitions off of what they saw in movies more than what was real. There are plenty of rifles and calibers that are far more devastating that don't fall into the class of "assault weapons". But let's not let facts get in the way of hysteria.

At the end of the day, I think we all want the same thing - to be safe. We just have different ideas of how to get there." Jan 14, 13 8:22 PM

The Supreme Court, which is made up of people only slightly smarter than you disagree. What part of that confuses you?" Jan 15, 13 12:12 AM

NYS just passed the most stringent gun control laws in the country. Knew that was coming." Jan 15, 13 12:15 AM

Think of all of the lives that were just saved by this well thought out, well meaning legislation. What a joke. I am sure criminals everywhere are terrified of being charged with a misdemeanor for having more than 7 rounds." Jan 15, 13 2:13 PM

Texas is where me and the wife will be retiring to. Unfortunately not for about 10 years though. Keep a seat warm for me." Jan 15, 13 7:59 PM

Why, would they look like you?" Jan 15, 13 9:40 PM

Hello kettle, meet pot." Jan 15, 13 9:41 PM

Here is an interesting fact for the gun haters. FBI crime statistics show that more people are murdered by clubs and hammers than rifles and shotguns. But don't let the facts get in the way of delusion.
" Jan 15, 13 10:08 PM

Yep, proud to be." Jan 16, 13 8:55 PM

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