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Westhampton Golf Course Will Pay $75K Fine To Keep Cart Storage Facility Illegally Built In Pine Barrens

Who reviewed/approved the site plans and building permits, or did they skip this step and also violate othe local codes? This could have been picked on long before construction began. Is there more to this story?" Aug 13, 16 10:04 AM

Southampton Town Offer To Purchase 'The Hills' Property In East Quogue Is Rejected

The planning department and TB have the controls. A golf course superintendent is well educated, qualified and not interested in lush green grass, (that might be a homeowner's view). With all do respect, do a little research. " Aug 13, 16 10:13 AM

Public Hearing On Water Quality Addition To CPF In Southampton Met With Support

Doesn't impact homeowners who refinance their mortgages?" Aug 14, 16 7:48 AM

Still No Buyer For Hampton Bays Diner Building One Year After Closure

Great location for Waffle House. " Aug 18, 16 6:57 AM

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

Fascinating. Fertigation is not new and it does involve adding nutrients to turf via the irrigation system. There is no rule as to where the source of the nutrient originates. Nitrogen is nitrogen and plant uptake is well documented. If one wanted to split hairs you can call the process phyto-remediation of groundwater- using plants to improve groundwater quality.In this case groundwater containing high levels of nitrogen. " Jan 21, 17 4:26 PM

Curious: Do you uphold your position with regard to the statements made by the region's NYS assemblyman and SC legislator during the locally held meeting of residents?" Jan 21, 17 4:30 PM

Schneiderman Skeptical On Approval Of Tuckahoe Center Proposal

Don't you think it's just a little early for political campaign banner waving? " Jan 27, 17 7:53 AM

Gobler Tapped To Lead New Task Force Tasked With Tackling Ocean Acidification

A committee of elected and appointed state officials, industry experts and environmental advocates. This looks to be more of the theater and sound bites typical of such self appointed "committees" assembled to help each other with fund raising goals and political support. Where is the full list of committee members and list of their credentials in the science of marine geochemistry, atmospheric science, oceanography and hydrogeology? " Jan 29, 17 6:50 AM

Flanders Woman Starts Non-Profit To Tackle Environmental Issues

True. USEPA ran a study in the NJ Meadowlands and harvested phragmites to assess uptake of pollutants. Concentration of metals in the harvested shoots was so high, the cuttings had to sent to a hazardous waste disposal site. Problematic as the plant is it serves to reduce contaminants. Not sure what mechanical method she's working on, but if it cannot remove the rhizomes it likely won't be effective. Good luck getting state and local permits... " Jan 30, 17 8:57 AM

Schneiderman Skeptical On Approval Of Tuckahoe Center Proposal

Say whatever you wish, with exception that I'm misguided. It's not the zone change, it's CR 39 that's of issue caused by the engineered limitations of the roadway design. It's congested and dangerous, poor ingress/ingress to existing sites, and no lane shoulders. CR 39 is a killing field. If elected officials can correct the existing conditions, celebrate them all you wish. " Jan 30, 17 12:53 PM

McAllister Offers Opinion On Hills Proposal, Says PDD Plan Would Have Less Impact On Environment

Readers should also know, "when turfgrass is fertilized and managed properly, leaching losses are less than 10% and leachate is typically less than 1 mg/L." (2010, Portmess & Petrovic, Cornell-Nitrogen Fertilizer Management of Turfgrass in Suffolk County, County Executive Office). Any suggestion that the Hills' nitrogen leaching rates will be 20-30% is not supported by this study. The PDD requires preset land management protocols, water quality monitoring and record keeping as environmental controls, well beyond requirements for any alternative that meets standards of the underlying zoning. " Feb 15, 17 7:57 PM

You claim Mr. McAllister is in the minority. Please, can you list the scientists you state are in opposition and their areas of expertise? " Feb 16, 17 2:14 PM

As advised I looked through every article and found only one scientist in opposition. That suggests one for one against. What am I missing from your statistics? Thank you. " Feb 17, 17 4:28 PM

As advised I looked through every article and found only one scientist in opposition. That suggests one for one against. What am I missing from your statistics? Thank you. " Feb 18, 17 8:02 AM

I'm not sure I missed as much as you suggested. The study I cited above under the GFEE post was prepared by Dr. Petrovic, a recognized turfgrass expert from Cornell who states nitrogen leaching at 10%, same as the Hills DEIS. Other experts in agricultural sciences concurred with Petrovic's position. The other project references and criticisms valid or not are hardly relevant to science presented here at Southampton IMO. If you do some investigation of your own, beyond the limits of the Press, and look at agricultural studies on golf course turf and nutrient programs you may agree there is adequate science backing the Hills projected nitrogen rates. " Feb 18, 17 12:11 PM

Suggestion: examine the Town of Riverhead WWTP upgrades and use of its effluent as irrigation water on the Suffolk County Parks Indian Island Golf Course, located on the shores of the Peconic Estuary. Fertigation is not new and has been used since the 1970s. Phytoremediation of groundwater has been successfully used by usepa since the early 80s. Hardly experimental. " Feb 18, 17 12:20 PM

With all due respect to Dr. Gobler and his many associates, where is his data? In scientific communities research studies are used to support statements, so cite specifically where and how research was conducted. I presented one study by recognized university experts, that clearly supports a 10% leaching rate is valid if not conservative. Other scientific studies agree. What "recent" data do you or others have? Present the information for peer review, please. " Feb 18, 17 1:08 PM

If you seek credible individuals try: Dr. Frank Rossi, Dr. Paul Grosser, Dr. Alfred Turgeon, Dr. Marty Petrovic, Dr. Stuart Cohen, Jennifer Grant, and Dr. James Murphy.. to list a few. Agronomy and turf grass management are sciences. Special academic backgrounds are needed for the purpose of examining leaching rates and runoff from turfgrass nutrient programs and the potential impacts to ground and surface waters. " Feb 18, 17 4:18 PM

The Nitrogen in the groundwater will be utilized by turf just as turf uptakes the nutrient if applied from other sources (granular and liquid fertilizer, organic matter such as compost and compost teas). Suggesting the Nitrogen in the groundwater is comprised of some other chemistry is not correct. Yes, I understand the issue. Think of the earlier form of Miracle Gro and mixing it in a watering can and applying to plants. Nitrogen can be in forms of nitrate and nitrite and shifts between these two compounds depending on other environmental factors. The nitrate in the local groundwater was likely generated by waste water and fertilizer, same chemistry as the S used in applying effluent waste water on to turf, but without the high concentration of salts. " Feb 18, 17 5:24 PM

Without use of the irrigation water over the golf course turf, the legacy Nitrogen in the groundwater will remain at these elevated levels with ultimate outflow to the bay. A golf course has the density of plant material (unlike row crops or nurseries) and total land area to make this form of phytoremediation effective to improve the existing groundwater quality. " Feb 18, 17 5:41 PM

I beg your pardon. I believed a policy of the Press is to permit posters the freedom to comment without identifying the individual. I was confident a gentleman as yourself, Mr. Lynch, respected said policy.
" Feb 19, 17 11:55 AM

Thank you TAZ, however I requested scientific research by qualified entities be presented in support of the "data." In published scientific papers, opinions are simply unsubstantiated theories. If the data is out there, it must be provided by anyone challenging another scientifiic conclusion. " Feb 19, 17 3:41 PM

What a shameful reply. My identity is unimportant. Facts are important. The issue of water quality and impact evaluation- important. Science based information on the leaching rate of Nitrogen for the proposed project is what I posted. You, sir gave a personal and prejudicial reply, an attempt to paint an ugly face on an unknown. A technique to deflect response for an intellectual exchange, gravitating to innuendo and name calling. I suggest you open a book before you next open your laptop. If your myopia for knowledge becomes any more narrow, it may serve you best to fore go a visit to the optometrist, and book an appointment with your proctologist. Good day. " Feb 19, 17 4:07 PM

Wastewater from a treatment plant varies in quantity. It's why equalization tanks are used. Final effluent is discharged within a range of concentrations. Providing the plant doesn't discharge concentrations above the MCLs stated in its permit-all is good. The nitrogen will vary based on the various loading, especially seasonal. Models for groundwater remedial action programs have been used by usepa, scdoh and NYSDEC for over 30 years, with technological improvements. Yes, I requested the respected scientists to post the data, and while open minded, im also still waiting. " Feb 19, 17 5:15 PM

Publish it in a valid report and be sure to analyze the exiting underlying zoning, with standard yield, standard operating procedures and "as of right" sanitary disposal systems. " Feb 19, 17 5:21 PM

For Suffolk County, NYSDEC has approved a long list of agricultural pesticides that are legally and routinely applied to residential lawns, farms, and commercial property. These applications require reporting the use by a licensed applicator such as a landscaper or farmer. There are no other local/town protocols or monitoring required. All of the products you listed are on the States approved list, and no "emergency set of conditions" required for application. Calculate the total amount of applied pesticides and the characteristics of each throughout all of East Quogue and compare it to the products and protocols stated in your post. That may put this matter into perspective. " Feb 20, 17 7:51 AM

The underlying zoning results in a subdivision of residential dwellings. Each owner has the liberty to contract with landscaping firms and management companies for property management or apply fertilizer and pesticides In unlimited quantities . This approach opens the door for every pesticide approved for Suffolk County to be used, whether or not a known or suspected carcinogen. No controls or restrictions as would be in place under the PDD. IMO, this has led to legacy contaminants in groundwater. I suggest Petrovic is advocating to reverse the trend. According to the DEIS areas outside the golf course are to be managed by an organic program. Again something not realized in standard subdivisions. " Feb 20, 17 1:11 PM

McAllister was the first to raise awareness of increases in nitrogen levels in waterways and the relationship to waste water systems. Long before Gobler and the creation of Stony Brook's center, McAllister pressed for setting local limits on nitrogen discharge from sanitary systems, to limit impacts on groundwater outflow to the estuaries. He did not limit his advocacy to Southampton. To suggest he doesn't understand the chemistry of water quality or absent a doctorate his ability to evaluate the Hills scientific data is impaired is irresponsible and unfair. McAllister has been studying the issue long before others latched on to the issue, and is adequately qualified to state his findings. Most important McAllister maintained an open and observant position until his finding was complete rather rush to early conclusions or prejudices. With no apparent motivation driven by fund raising, desire for celebrity status or political office, he completed his own assessment instead of having one reached for him, and took a risk of being vilified for independent thinking. I suggest you carefully study your own "hook" TB, once the barb is set, it's terribly painful to extract. " Feb 21, 17 6:43 AM

Present your logic to the beaver, let's see where he stands on it. " Feb 22, 17 6:36 AM

So, Mr. TB here is a problem: you want all to abide by your requests and follow your rules- let you to decide who is greedy, and who is credible and decide the standards for one's scientific credentials.
Ask this- do the voices in opposition receive compensation; participate in exerting "pressure" on elected officials; blindly oppose the project for attention and support of their group's special interests? If one is deemed qualified by the courts as an expert witness- is that sufficient for each "side" ? " Feb 23, 17 12:05 PM

Dr. Chris Gobler Shares Opinion, Concerns Over 'The Hills' Proposal

"A person who talks much and pretentiously but says little of importance."
You attack the sponsor's representative on a personal if not disrespectful level, rather than directing your comments to the article? That is an unnecessary digression in the debates between you and Mr. Hissey. Shameful. " May 1, 17 5:39 AM

The larger question is how the 118 full time residential unit development conflicts with the EQ Hamlet Study, attendant GEIS and SEQRA Findings Statement, which specifically identifies resort style housing with at least one golf course? These recommendations are adopted into the Town's Comprehensive Plan. By what method do you unravel this, and reverse the entire environmental argument made in the Hamlet Study? If DLC has proposed development consistent with the Comp Plan, mitigated or avoided significant impacts, and meet PDD, Pine Barren, etc. requirements how can the 118 full time residential units be valued as an improvement? " May 1, 17 6:02 AM

East Hampton Lining Up Laws To Meet Uber Onslaught

No talking, no running, no chewing gum..." May 2, 17 6:43 PM

Dr. Chris Gobler Shares Opinion, Concerns Over 'The Hills' Proposal

"A person who talks much and pretentiously but says little of importance."
You attack the sponsor's representative on a personal if not disrespectful level, rather than directing your comments to the article? That is an unnecessary digression in the debates between you and Mr. Hissey. Shameful." May 3, 17 5:55 PM

And once again for the one who doesn't accept it,
The larger question is how the 118 full time residential unit development conflicts with the EQ Hamlet Study, attendant GEIS and SEQRA Findings Statement, which specifically identifies resort style housing with at least one golf course? These recommendations are adopted into the Town's Comprehensive Plan. By what method do you unravel this, and reverse the entire environmental argument made in the Hamlet Study? If DLC has proposed development consistent with the Comp Plan, mitigated or avoided significant impacts, and meet PDD, Pine Barren, etc. requirements how can the 118 full time residential units be valued as an improvement?
" May 3, 17 5:58 PM

Thanks for the suggestion , WR but I learned long ago not to referee a pissing contest between two skunks.
In my view Mr. Hissey has responded to TB on the whole build no build issue. Certainly within EQ the conditions are becoming toxic (and it's not about the water quality). Shop owners are intimidated and fearful of losing customers if in support. The casual friendly atmosphere has been tainted with suspicion "are you for or against?" I've read the reports, attended the hearings,and know the science. There were no "new consultants" only the same ones who wrote the original reports, perhaps only now coming out to be recognized. The whole process was to be science based to avoid all the opinionated reheated arguments. It's now a beauty contest rather than an intellectual exchange. Pitiful way to review land use, horrific approach to reach a decision. " May 4, 17 9:43 PM

Guess you don't frequent the corners of EQ that have, because that's what I've seen and heard from my peeps. Mr. Hissey is no skunk -I agree, and the Hills does not stink. The idea it's the mega development of Southampton is contrary to the redevelopment of Riverside-Flanders with over 1000 residential units and no confirmation of sewage treatment. The PDD law was on the books and in the EQ Hamlet study recommendation long before Discovery landed in EQ. If you've any familiarity with private golf courses and seasonal resort high profile properties, you would know there is work to be done year round. It will significantly improve the local economic conditions for a very long time." May 5, 17 4:26 PM

I think you have a warped interpretation of professionalism. Do you argue with your doctor over his or her diagnosis? Or do you instead rely on you barber to do a bit of blood letting and offer him a few schillings as tip?
What's the difference between Environmental professionals paid to write the impact assessment and those paid to review it? Professionals are not going to place their credentials on the line for a project sponsor or risk the public's health,welfare and environment for a fee. There'd be stripped of their profession credentials pursuant to standards of practice and ethics. You are confusing their professionalism with the world's oldest profession, and that of similar standards practiced by lawyers... " May 5, 17 4:43 PM

I subscribe to the Press, pay the annual fee and post at my own discretion. That dear friend Might be interpreted as a derogatory suggestion iand effort to (much like Mr. TB) cloak me as a mindless goon, more inclined to accept money over intellectual exchange.
Please, don't go there. " May 5, 17 6:16 PM

I subscribe to the Press, pay the annual fee and post at my own discretion. That dear friend Might be interpreted as a derogatory suggestion and effort to (much like Mr. TB) cloak me as a mindless goon, more inclined to accept money over intellectual exchange.
Please, don't go there. " May 5, 17 6:18 PM

Have you read the actual reports or are you depending upon the Press and the opinions of others? In the article above Gobler states fertigation is unreliable. What experience does he or his associates have in turf grass management, hydrogeolgy and toxicological assessments? Has he ever written or co authored a SEQRA or NEPA document? Every one can have an opinion. Professionalism in specific areas of science and engineering carry with it legal responsibility that limits professional practices to only those areas of ones certifications, license and academic training. Gobler' report is one person's opinion, this article does not cite a collaborative effort by his "associates." Once removed from his academic background in marine microbiology, that opinion losses a significant amount of professionalism. A dentist is still a doctor but I would trust his opinion about a ruptured appendix. " May 6, 17 3:26 PM

Would NOT trust..* corrected " May 6, 17 3:28 PM

Would NOT trust..* corrected " May 6, 17 3:28 PM

Turkey Bridge asked "What do you think?" With respect to professionals who write letters to the Press and explain their conclusions. In response to TB's question,I've as much credibility to state my views including Goblers limitations as you have expressed doubts of the Hills experts. " May 6, 17 4:48 PM

I also wonder about objectivity. Gobler has consistently opposed the project, and it comes as no surprise his report disagrees with the other professionals. Where did he stand on the Riverside-Flanders development of over 1000 units, and no clear discharge point for sanitary disposal; did he file a similar report for the Canoe Place Inn development? If ANY amount of additional nitrogen is too much (a gross exaggeration IMO) for the water resources to handle why only apply it to the Hills, and in the face of other scientific consensus? " May 6, 17 5:23 PM

I'm guessing google missed his background in groundwater modeling in both unconfined and karst aquifers, or perhaps an oversight in experience with groundwater remediation? Oh, that civil or environmental engineering degree slip thu the cracks. He's a fine scientist and contributes significantly to his field and water quality as it pertains to the marine and surface water resources. Not at all questionable. Careful how one critiques the scientific work of professionals with experience, academic degrees and licenses to practice or you open the door for having to defend each and every professional opinion, especially when working outside your immediate areas of expertise... " May 7, 17 12:26 PM

Mmm sounds much like the approach of your pal Turkey Bridge. " May 12, 17 5:10 PM

Congrats on expressing the facts and science. Good luck trying to have the opposition accept them. Objective discussion here has been difficult. Once the project facts conflict with the opposition's view, they'll attack your professionalism- suggest a Gobler isn't an expert in all areas of environmental science and they'll tar and feather you.
Ask if any of them studied and professionally practice science other than political or social.... " May 12, 17 5:19 PM

'Hills' Opponents Protest Outside Of Southampton Town Hall Monday

And, in which Southampton election district does D.Amper vote? Oh that's right he doesn't. " May 15, 17 9:33 PM

I'm not the grandstanding or threatening elected officials. " May 16, 17 3:28 PM

Southampton Supervisor Reverses Course, Seeks To Throw Out PDD Law Without Replacing It

So your position is to boot out elected officials, who through the SEQRA and town's planning process, to which they are sworn to uphold pursuant to State and local law, and replace them with a handful of puppets selected to carry out your bidding. " May 19, 17 6:22 AM

The elected officials who are in office don't finish their terms until midnight December 31,2017. The TAZ comments display a complete lack of understanding of their sworn duties. Please TB, refrain from your condescending responses such as how "we" do it in America, as if "I" am to be discounted by "you". Quite a contrast to the model democracy "you" support, (providing the model suits your personal perspective). " May 19, 17 4:55 PM

Why does science matter... ? Mmm, There's a pile of sand somewhere with a small hole in it... about the diameter of your hat size. Really? Your posts of past suggested you had a bit more on the ball than this last one. I'm disappointed. " May 19, 17 4:59 PM

And George, Strunk & White antiquated as it my be, suggests composition be designed with brief statements. A suggestion that all windbags should consider, "man."
" May 19, 17 5:15 PM

One reply was for Taz one for the comment from the post above best described as a word jumble with cleavage and yours. No nerve stuck, so put a band aid on that ego and do feel better soon. " May 20, 17 4:10 PM

'The Hills' Developer Selects Wastewater Treatment System

Well TB, we sure enjoyed your journey through the science fiction of bacteria and nitrogen fixation. Kids in the East Quogue Elementary School have a better grasp on biology than do you. Were you one of the State's attorneys during the Scopes trial? " May 23, 17 7:40 PM

Any of those kids treated for head lice with spinosad? You appear to have little understanding of pesticide apllication or the laws governing them. Please, Stop ramping up the drama and fear mongering and learn about NY pesticide law. . " May 23, 17 8:52 PM

Well it looks like another one of your seven points has been addressed by Mr. Hissey and Mr.Shaw. You apologized, and believe that's sufficient? I don't. Your arrogance and intentional dissemination of misinformation is very obvious. There's no need to respond to your other points, blasphemy is well, blasphemy. " May 24, 17 10:47 PM

And your point is that the January 2015 list has a low potential for leaching. Which is what; a bad thing for groundwater protection? " May 24, 17 10:56 PM

No intrinsic benefit to EQ: EQ Hamlet has no real substantive anchor to its economic stability. This project especially due to its golf course provides local opportunities for improving the economy- jobs, goods and tax base.
No data on Basswood- false go to Dutchess County and ask to review what they have-FOIL it.
Standard subdivision sanitary disposal- individual systems are easily approved by SCDOH, you, the Group for the East End and the Town have no authority over sanitary wastewater disposal.
Golf course runoff - treated by rain gardens, lined greens and storm water detention areas designed to reduce sediment and pollutants- easily verified by studies and designs since the mid 1980s
So your comments are summarized as false. " May 24, 17 11:09 PM

No intrinsic benefit to EQ: EQ Hamlet has no real substantive anchor to its economic stability. This project especially due to its golf course provides local opportunities for improving the economy- jobs, goods and tax base.
No data on Basswood- false go to Dutchess County and ask to review what they have-FOIL it.
Standard subdivision sanitary disposal- individual systems are easily approved by SCDOH, you, the Group for the East End and the Town have no authority over sanitary wastewater disposal.
Golf course runoff - treated by rain gardens, lined greens and storm water detention areas designed to reduce sediment and pollutants- easily verified by studies and designs since the mid 1980s
So your comments are summarized as false. " May 24, 17 11:09 PM

If you've studied toxicology, then you know everything is toxic. There are also three basic principles for evaluation: mass of the organism vs the amount of the toxin; the exposure pathway; and acute vs chronic exposure. The most dangerous compound many are exposed to is gasoline- yet many pump their own gas, with little concern because of the controls in place to protect the public. Turf sprayers are not "large machines," and if you looked at an agricultural sprayer its like comparing a Volkswagen Beetle to a 747. Yet, in Southampton it's quite common practice to apply pesticides to farm fields, located in close proximity to residential areas, and particularly true in the "windy hamlet of EQ." In each case applications are performed by trained and licensed professionals under strict laws designed to prohibit pesticide drift, and labels that specify personal protection equipment for general use pesticides that call for long sleeve shirts, pants, shoes, rubber gloves and safety glasses. Pretty much how most Ag folks go to work. " May 26, 17 6:40 PM

Community Reacts To Southampton Village Board Candidate Using Slur In Call To Police

I believe she's endorsed by the Racist Party...." May 26, 17 7:16 PM

'The Hills' Developer Selects Wastewater Treatment System

Mmm so the Hills is in the Compatible Growth Area of the pine barrens where development is permitted providing it meets PB requirements. Weesuck Creek and the school are not adjacent to the project because the LIRR tracks and Old Country Road as existing infrastructure clearly separate these properties. Comparisons made among all these courses were specific to the water quality issues, fertilizer, and management. If anything is damaging the pitch pines in the pine barrens, it's the southern pine beetle. " May 26, 17 7:38 PM

You should try reading the post again, this time with some assistance. I said they wear long sleeve shirts, pants, gloves and eye protection when using general use pesticides. Your pal Taz, incorrectly states hazmat suits are required. Why do "we" want to take down trees? I didn't know you owned the land.... the pine barrens law allows property owners to clear their land if located in the compatible growth area, providing pine barren clearing limits are met. A local golf course, Hampton Hills was fined $75,000 for failing to comply with the pine barrens law. " May 27, 17 5:11 AM

You state that you recently interviewed McAllister, and indicate you discussed the Hills with him, What else did he say about the project ?
You limit yourself to two cents worth of comments when it cost me a whole buck to read your editorial...
" May 27, 17 1:48 PM

I agree with points made by VOS and a few observations. I read the Press' editorial. I'm not impressed or convinced in part because they have no science editor. Another issue stems from Joe Shaw's post above in response to the TB comment regarding Kevin McAllister. Shaw states he had a "recent interview with Kevin." Really ? What else was discussed, especially since McAllister has far more scientific background than the editorial staff at the Press. The Press needs to be transparent and accurate in its reporting before editorializing. " May 28, 17 7:06 AM

Bigfish, the developer offered the SCWA area for a new well with excellent water quality , so the EXISTING well with elevated nitrogen can be discontinued. That is a guarantee if the project is approved. " May 28, 17 10:18 AM

PDD requires community benefits, AOR development does not." May 28, 17 4:25 PM

The DEIS and developer have stated Land will be made available to the SCWA for a well field. That's no secret. Under the PDD law that commitment must be upheld "if approved."
In response to your persistent question, "you're not the boss of me."
Thank you and in remembrance of all, enjoy Memorial Day, please. " May 29, 17 12:37 PM

Gee willigers TAZ. Still no admission your exaggerated and inaccurate statements about general uses pesticides were wrong.. I wonder why.. " May 29, 17 9:01 PM

Well CW, looks like you're wrong ....again. The quantity of water you calculated failed to account for evapotransipiration, so that's a major error. Second in groundwater hydrogeology the term "capture" means collection of a contaminant plume by a well designed to intercept it. Like when you suck Bosco off the bottom of your glass of chocolate milk thru a straw. May I suggest you TAZ and others spend a few decades in hazardous materials management and clean up before making yourselves look like complete fools. If you did you might earn that tag of "Clean Water" because as I see from your posts you've not a clue what your writing about, and passing along science fiction stories is wasting space here. " May 31, 17 4:40 AM

What an amusing taunt TB. In your prejudice you deny what is unmistakably and factually wrong, but sell it as truth, as long as others agrees with your point of view. It's amazing you finished high school. How'd you do on true and false tests? A zealot, you seek to crush truth whilst waving a patriotic fist with quotes like that's how we do it in America. Lion posts were about the subject at hand-land use and scientific understanding. Not about a pro or con stance on the Hills. Narrow views and prejudice due little to broaden knowledge. To counter that imbalance I comment here and answer only to myself TB, not to you or to anyone else, it's that simple.
Sell your self appointed nonsensical image and blowhard oratory to whatever flock you scrapped off the bottom of your shoe, I'm not buying it. If you want to coerce political influence try buying advertising space instead of spinning yarns here. " May 31, 17 4:01 PM

With all due (not "do") respect, I've maintained a civil discourse. Although I have found comments directed at me offensive, if I've offended others, my apologies. That said, I too have asked (in previous posts) that personal labels be stopped, however some posters continue. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
So please include them in your quest to stop personal attacks. " Jun 1, 17 2:36 PM

keep the faith baby... or as translated- Keep calm and carry on..." Jun 1, 17 4:02 PM

...never happen, besides lions are most dangerous in captivity, WR. " Jun 1, 17 4:27 PM

.and we all pile on the first one that breaks into that Born Free song- " Jun 1, 17 4:29 PM

Discovery Land Files 'The Hills' FEIS With Town; Developer Wants To Buy And Preserve Another 33 Acres

"local political activists like me do is the first building block of democracy, really the foundation of everything. You wouldn't have a working democratic system without us..... neither should I be disparaged because of who I am and what I do."

Gee TB, you sure sound indispensable...was that democracy or demagogue-acy you're defining? In several of your past posts it read as you were disparaging anyone working on behalf of Discovery- for "doing what they do." If you choose not to believe statements based on fact- I defend your freedom to hold true to your beliefs- but the facts are the facts- the world is round not flat, regardless of what you believe, or preach.
A suggestion: you and all interested folks read the FEIS first before going too deep offering comments.
" Jul 6, 17 2:06 PM

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