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Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

"Southampton Town Police Chief Robert Pearce on Tuesday acknowledged that evidence" ... "He would not, however, provide any details." - No answers, how unusual for Chief Pearce

"Det. Gwinn said his union was displeased an outside agency did not conduct the audit, because many administrators accused of “mishandling” the Street Crime Unit and the supervision of Police Officer Eric Sickles, a former member of the unit who became addicted to prescription drugs, were the same ones conducting the investigation."

Many of my fellow posters have been saying that an outside agency should investigate Southampton Police. Even the PBA is saying that an outside agency should be involved... Hello, red flag!!! Will someone do something?!

" Mar 27, 13 7:52 PM

PBR - get my back on this,

Get them all under oath!" Mar 27, 13 7:53 PM

Drugs, Money May Be Missing From Southampton Town Police Headquarters

The town board is having public hearings on septic systems but there is only deafening silence about police corruption.

SOS - Save Our Southampton!" Mar 27, 13 8:09 PM

Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

"Chief Pearce, who had been the division head overseeing the drug unit, Ray Perini, an attorney representing the union for department brass, and Lieutenant James Kiernan, the former unit’s commanding officer, all criticized the publishing of the photos last week."

Of course, because that is always a normal reaction to have when factual evidence id made public and you have nothing to hide.

As PBR says - ask questions and see who complains the most." Mar 27, 13 8:22 PM

That is also making the assumption that this is his first offense... maybe just the first one he was prosecuted for." Mar 27, 13 9:10 PM

Apparently it is just a "smear campaign" by Wilson. It seems like the facts are supporting Wilson and as long as the truth comes out I do not care what kind of campaign you call it. Let's call it a clean up the Cr@p in Southampton Campaign - Vote None of the Above (PBR)

" He accused Mr. Wilson of conducting a “smear campaign” targeting his client." - 'UPDATE: Top Cops Dispute Charges That Street Crime Unit Office Was Strewn With Drugs' 3/13/13" Mar 27, 13 9:45 PM

UPDATE: Sickles Returns To Duty; PBA Blasts Board Members, GOP For Making Him A 'Scapegoat'

Sig, Blank, et al...
I think the real argument is not what the police are compensated. I think that we could all agree (even if they are highest paid in US) that if we were getting what we are paying for we would gladly pay it. That being a hard working force of professional police officers with integrity and the public interest in mind.

Before you all jump in, this is not a slander to most of the people that likely are good hard working cops... the problem is that the rotten apple spoils the barrel. It is time to get some bleach and clean out the barrel. If that does not happen how can we ever trust that all the fruit did not rot. " Mar 27, 13 11:13 PM

Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

While I will not disagree that the disbanding of the STPD may become a necessity, what of the town board. The corruption and cover up appears to run long and deep. The dissolution of the entire town government may be necessary.
Just look to Nuzzi, Scalera, Malone in this. Kabot, Suskind with Armstrong and back further with Heaney, Cannuscio, Theile and Kenny. I see no light in sight." Mar 28, 13 12:22 AM

ATH is speaking but seems to be part of the problem too.

"Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said she did not know about a federal probe and said the town is trying to move forward.
"We have dealt with the matters internally. We have done an internal investigation that has led to some disciplinary results on two officers," she said. "That concludes it as far as we're concerned."" from another news outlet that rhymes with Tuesday... hope I do not get sensored

That concludes it, impudent as usual? That should conclude your term ATH." Mar 29, 13 1:45 AM

UPDATE: Sickles Returns To Duty; PBA Blasts Board Members, GOP For Making Him A 'Scapegoat'

I think help could even be construed as removing him from duty or disciplining him. Enabling him and giving him a driver does not... it only sends the message that what he was doing was ok.
Just like rewarding someone who lies to internal affairs keep his job and promotion and promoting someone who 2 times (captain and chief) who helped in cover up or was so incompetent that he had no idea. " Mar 29, 13 10:50 AM

Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

“As to what we needed to do to address whatever issues there were that have led to this, I’ve got three words for you: Chief Robert Pearce,” Mr. Malone said. - 'UPDATE: Top Cops Dispute Charges That Street Crime Unit Office Was Strewn With Drugs' 3/13/13" Mar 29, 13 10:54 AM

UPDATE: Hampton Bays Man Charged With Stealing Car, Leading Police On Chase Near Campus

Maybe he we turn up in the "Detectives Division temporary evidence closet " too! Stranger things have happened.
'Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface" 3/27/13" Mar 29, 13 11:18 AM

Maybe he will..." Mar 29, 13 11:18 AM

Auditors Say Southampton Police Department Compensation System Is Easily Abused

Who is to decide what a "significant" discrepancy is with our taxpayer money? According to prior articles it is at least $44,000 in 2011 alone and if the DA's are investigating it I would assume there is a belief of criminal activity, not just simple mistakes.

"Mr. Hoffmann said that the audit did not find evidence of significant discrepancies in the amount of money paid to officers from what they were rightfully due. He did not say if any discrepancies were found, or how large they were." - above article

"The lax controls on the accrual system apparently led to the town overpaying five retiring officers more than $44,000 in compensation for unused accrued time off last year." - '‘Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe' 11/29/12" Apr 1, 13 9:33 PM

“As to what we needed to do to address whatever issues there were that have led to this, I’ve got three words for you: Chief Robert Pearce,” Mr. Malone said. - 'UPDATE: Top Cops Dispute Charges That Street Crime Unit Office Was Strewn With Drugs' 3/13/13" Apr 1, 13 9:35 PM

And it looks more and more that the town board handed the chicken coop over to the fox. It appears that Chief Wilson kept uncovering corruption and the town board did everything they could to get rid of him. 27east, please keep following up as it seems the press is the only way we will find out the truth!

"The documents also included three felony charges and a misdemeanor charge prepared by former Chief William Wilson Jr. in 2012 against a police lieutenant, James Kiernan, for allegedly changing time sheets indicating days worked. The Suffolk District Attorney's office never executed the charges." But Suffolk district attorney spokesman Robert Clifford said, "The investigation is ongoing."" from a newspaper that rhymes with Tuesday 'Source: U.S. attorney probing Southampton police' dated 3/28/13" Apr 1, 13 9:50 PM

Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

Hat, Blank, Chief, et al,
Can't we all just get along and agree that there are some real problems in Southampton police & town board? We need and deserve answers and we all need to keep asking questions!" Apr 2, 13 12:13 AM

Auditors Say Southampton Police Department Compensation System Is Easily Abused

What the, huh? Unwritten policies for pay? Aren't contracts supposed to lay out the conditions for employment and compensation... how the heck are there "unwritten policies", who makes them and what kind of attorney's do we have representing Southampton Town that would allow this to happen!

"Ms. Throne-Holst also acknowledged... The discrepancies the administrators found, she said, were due mainly to some unwritten but long understood policies for accruing sick days and other time off compensation with the department—casual policies that she said are fairly common throughout law enforcement agencies."
"When the auditors sat down with police department brass and went over specific instances, and had various policies explained to them, the numbers added up, she said—though she did not offer any specifics about what some of those circumstances were."

Right, lets sit down with the police brass who tracks there own time and tells us what the "unwritten policy" is on how they should be able to raid our piggy banks.

ATH, your statements are moronic and offer no specifics because you are full of it!
I am beginning to fear that this town government and police department are beyond salvation." Apr 3, 13 2:26 PM

Hey ATH, I forgot the remind you of this little "unwritten policy" the town has had for decades. Every time one of our elected officials support corruption or lie to the press our property taxes get cut in half.
No really, it's true. Scouts honor! Now get calculating because this current board alone gets us some great rebates!" Apr 3, 13 2:35 PM

Blue wall of silence aside, if it is really common then cite examples. I highly doubt that other municipalities pay out on "unwritten policies" without being forced to by litigation. I also highly doubt a court would enforce a verbal contract that only one party has knowledge of - ie the top brassholes that are taking us to the cleaners.

"The lax controls on the accrual system apparently led to the town overpaying five retiring officers more than $44,000 in compensation for unused accrued time off last year." - '‘Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe' 11/29/12

" Apr 3, 13 2:39 PM

Duh!
"Ms. Throne-Holst said. “Not that we’re suggesting that there was anything amiss, but it just seemed odd that we paid out something without being part and parcel to how it was calculated."" Apr 3, 13 2:52 PM

Items Missing From Southampton Town Police Property Room Resurface

Everything needs to be out on the table. All questions asked and answered. Only then can we, the residents, make informed decisions on who we put into office to make the determination on the future of our town and all departments." Apr 5, 13 1:27 AM

Auditors Say Southampton Police Department Compensation System Is Easily Abused

"The lax controls on the accrual system apparently led to the town overpaying five retiring officers more than $44,000 in compensation for unused accrued time off last year." - '‘Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe' 11/29/12" Apr 5, 13 12:31 PM

Southampton Supervisor Calls For Investigation Of Police Department

ATH, a hired gun with no enforcement power is not a truly independent party. Is this the only thing you could get the 3 amigos to agree to? Very weak, if you are truly concerned about the police department get on the phone to the DA, NY Attorney General or the US Attorney and tell them there is a problem. If you are not concerned enough to do that then don't waste our money.

"“All of these questions are swirling and I feel like no matter what we say we’re not going to reassure the public until we have a third-party, independent explanation,” Ms. Throne-Holst said"

but then again you board members like to waste our money...

"“[A board member] questioned my judgment in the paper a couple of weeks ago,” Mr. Wilson recalled of a comment by Councilman Jim Malone about a promotion he had suggested. “Well, they just paid an auditing firm $50,000 to tell them exactly what I told them in the first month I was on the job. But I guess anything that gets them to listen to reason is money well spent.”" - 'Auditors Say Southampton Police Department Compensation System Is Easily Abused' 4/1/13

another $60k report that the town board did not listen to.

"One of the studies referred to by Mr. Suskind is the Bratton report, a 2004 study commissioned by the Town Board that recommends the addition of another lieutenant to the police force. The proposed addition, which would give the force five lieutenants, was needed to provide sergeants more time to supervise squads in the field, according to the report." - "As to why he did not follow the recommendations of the Bratton report, a $60,000 study, Mr. Heaney said, “They didn’t have my 2006 operating budget in front of them when they made recommendations.”" - 'Suskind Questions Need For Police Commissioner' 10/6/05

Looks like the Board is using Bracewell& Guiianni for many things. I'm sure that it was not all covered in the $50k retainer.

"The board also agreed to retain the services of New York City law firm Bracewell & Giuliani to assist the town attorney’s office with the hearing procedure. A maximum of $50,000 will be spent on the proceedings" - 'Kiernan's Suspension Extended' 6/14/12

"t was also revealed this week that the town has hired a powerful New York City law firm, Bracewell & Giuliani to act as its legal counsel during the investigation by the DA’s office following its seizure in May of years of police department records that were being stored at Town Hall." - 'Town Suspends Another Drug Cop' 7/12/12

"Mr. Perini would not estimate what his legal fees to the union have been or would likely be for Lt. Kiernan’s defense. But he did say that he expects the fees would be less than those incurred by the town for hiring Sokoloff Stern to represent them at the hearing, or those by New York City firm Bracewell & Giuliani, which is representing the town in relation to the D.A.’s ongoing investigation into the Street Crime Unit and controversial removal of Police Department records from the department headquarters just before Chief Wilson’s taking over in May 2011" - 'Kiernan Asks For Help' 9/6/12" Apr 6, 13 10:01 AM

ATH, you are talking out of your pie hole. You are apparently surprised quite often by investigations into the town.

"Ms. Throne-Holst refuted recent reports that the U.S. Attorney’s office was conducting an investigation of the police department. If there is a federal investigation underway, it has not involved any contact with town employees or officials, she said." - above article

"Still, Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said Friday’s announcement by the D.A.’s office “came totally out of left field.”" - 'Two Are Released From Prison" 5/31/12

"Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said this week, adding that she was unaware the issue had become a focus of the D.A.’s investigations of the Town Police." - '‘Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe' 11/29/12

What do you know?

"The files are said to include internal investigation papers, but Ms. Scarlato said she was not at liberty to discuss their contents, other than that they are related to the police department. There are about seven boxes of them, she said.
“None of us know what they are,” Ms. Throne-Holst said." - 'Chief Tries, Fails To Get Documents' 5/3/12

"Ms. Throne-Holst said that while the settlement approved by the town this week puts to bed its disciplinary proceedings against Lt. Kiernan, she noted that the D.A.’s investigation is ongoing." - 'Lieutenant Is Headed Back To Work' 10/25/12

"Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said that she did not wish to rehash the disagreements between the chief and some board members or internally on the board. “Our job as elected officials is to do what’s right for the town, for the police and for public safety,” she said. “I’m focusing on the future here. It’s been a difficult 18 months, and my job is to make sure we move forward positively.”" - 'Board Hands Reins To Acting Chief' 11/15/12

Yes, ATH your job is to do what is right for the town & public safety, ignoring problems and corruption because you do not want to "rehash" it is unacceptable. Impudently caving in because you think you may lose a vote is unacceptable. Your job as Town Supervisor is bigger than your political ambitions and you were elected to do an important job for the public." Apr 6, 13 10:41 AM

insert, McKayla Maroney, not impressed meme here. " Apr 6, 13 10:45 AM

I'm thinking that every town board member should be tested. I want some of what they are smoking." Apr 6, 13 10:46 AM

The majority of these things are manageable through the confidence we place in the department head,” he said. “If at some point in time we don’t feel we are comfortable about what we’ve got there, then you say, ‘We’re going to check your stuff.’ We’re not there at this point—not from my perspective.”"

Wow, what perspective do you have? From here is looks pretty bad and people with subpoena power should be reviewing this. Sounds like another "I have 3 words for you" statement.

This is why they want to hire a private firm to look into the corruption. So they do not have to release it to anyone.

"The results of the report issued by the firm have never been released by town officials despite numerous requests by The Press; the officials claim the substance of the report concerns delicate legal topics with regard to the potential for the town to be sued, and thus are not subject to open records laws."" Apr 9, 13 11:17 PM

Auditors Say Southampton Police Department Compensation System Is Easily Abused

Well, look into this a little more - the newspaper that rhymes with Tuesday reveals that the town board did not hire them to conduct a true audit and set limited parameters for them to review - i.e. see enough to make a good report. Even so there were problems found.

""We found several minor incorrect payments, and the Department was unable to provide documentation for amounts paid for carry-forward vacation," it said.
But the review also acknowledged the scope was limited.
"We were not engaged to and did not conduct an audit," according to the draft. "Had we performed additional procedures, other matters might have to come our attention that would have been reported."" Apr 10, 13 1:33 PM

Southampton Supervisor Calls For Investigation Of Police Department

ATH is impudent on the board and does not have the courage to bring in an investigating agency. I think this is a case where you have to amputate the head to save the body and the body will survive.
Everyone needs to go under oath. If Lieutenant Kiernan had been under oath in internal affairs he would be in jail." Apr 11, 13 9:21 PM

ATH - If you are going to be a cat, be a lion not a pussycat.

Not sure why I was censored the first time." Apr 12, 13 7:06 AM

7 felons released and nobody is accountable? Very disturbing." Apr 17, 13 5:21 PM

Southampton Town Police Ordered To Be On Lookout For Car Involved In Boston Manhunt

Is the bomber in the evidence room?" Apr 19, 13 10:36 PM

Southampton Town Police Logged Long Hours Following Sandy

fuou812 - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

"More than half of the overtime hours logged by supervisors was racked up by the department’s commanding officer at the time, Captain Robert Pearce, who is now the department’s chief, and by Lieutenant Lawrence Schurek, who was the town’s emergency operations coordinator and liaison to the Suffolk County Office of Emergency Management. The two worked 214 hours of overtime in just over two weeks, in addition to their usual 40-hour work weeks during that period. "

Yes, we can thank Wilson & the Town Board for this. The hen house has been handed to the fox and they are apparently fleecing it... should we really be surprised? It appears that padding their pockets is common practice - criminals disguised as cops.

"The documents also included three felony charges and a misdemeanor charge prepared by former Chief William Wilson Jr. in 2012 against a police lieutenant, James Kiernan, for allegedly changing time sheets indicating days worked."
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"The administration has been so unchecked for so many years," he said Wednesday, after town police found evidence that had been reported as missing. "The feeling is that they can do whatever they want and don't have to answer to anybody." - 'Source: U.S. attorney probing Southampton police' - 3/28/13 rhymes with Tuesday

"The lax controls on the accrual system apparently led to the town overpaying five retiring officers more than $44,000 in compensation for unused accrued time off last year."
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"In another instance, the auditors found that the department’s activity log had no activity entries for an officer on two separate days that he was shown as being on duty."- 'Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe' 11/29/12

"Due to a clerical error, Lt. Schurek was initially paid for an additional 27 hours of overtime after a clerk entered 30 hours of overtime for a period when he in fact only worked three hours overtime. According to Town Comptroller Len Marchese, the error was reported to his office by the police department three days after the incorrect paycheck was issued, on November 30, and Lt. Schurek’s pay was adjusted in the next pay period to account for the overpayment, which totaled about $3,400."

Lt Schurek did not notice an extra $3,400? Where is the integrity?! Why did I even ask... isn't that the problem with this administration?

"Kiernan, who was suspended between May and November, pleaded guilty in October to administrative charges of "incompetency or inefficiency" and "conduct which brings discredit upon the department" in a plea agreement with the town, according to the documents.
He admitted to four of 32 charges he had been facing, including failing to immediately report a prescription drug-addicted officer who was on the drug unit, and giving a false statement to internal affairs investigators, according to a Southampton administrative settlement agreement.
Kiernan lost 73 days of sick, vacation and personal time. He is back on the job as a lieutenant supervising the town's patrol officers." - 'Review: Addicted cop was allowed to work' 3/12/13 Rhymes with Tuesday

“As to what we needed to do to address whatever issues there were that have led to this, I’ve got three words for you: Chief Robert Pearce,” Mr. Malone said

LMFAO - that one still gets me every time!" May 11, 13 7:55 AM

"We should be thanking Pearce for stepping up to the plate" Yes, he stepped up like a pig at the trough. Thank god Lt Kiernan was not reinstated.... one can only imagine how much overtime he would have bilked the town for seeing that he apparently has a history of stealing from the town.

"The documents also included three felony charges and a misdemeanor charge prepared by former Chief William Wilson Jr. in 2012 against a police lieutenant, James Kiernan, for allegedly changing time sheets indicating days worked."- 'Source: U.S. attorney probing Southampton police' - 3/28/13 rhymes with Tuesday" May 11, 13 8:15 AM

I did not say WIlson is to blame for "all of this" only his part in handing the police administration back to the corrupt people that are running it instead of staying the course and making it a respectable department.

As far as getting my facts straight and starting rumors, I would say you are the one spreading rumors. Unless of course you are the Bad Lt Kiernan how would you know?

All of my posts are factual from reports of media.

"He admitted to four of 32 charges he had been facing, including failing to immediately report a prescription drug-addicted officer who was on the drug unit, and giving a false statement to internal affairs investigators, according to a Southampton administrative settlement agreement." 'Review: Addicted cop was allowed to work' 3/12/13 Rhymes with Tuesday

Lt Kiernan lied to internal affairs ie; "giving a false statement to internal affairs investigators,"

As far as outside investigations the DA's office has publicly commented several times in 27east that they have open investigations. According to Rhymes with Tuesday the US Attorney is investigating.

As PBR says "Ask questions and see who complains the most" FUOU812, looks like we hit the nail on the head." May 11, 13 9:30 AM

Agreed, put everyone under oath and let the truth come out. It is long overdue!

fuou812 - "It's time to "out" the so-called confidential sources that Mr. Wright has been talking to." Were the sources supplying misinformation and 27east publishing lies or were they just confidential sources?

hugoistay - Let's just start with wow, this town needs help.

"Wilson was making mountains out of mole hills and when he was told he was wrong he went crying to anyone that would listen" -

Were they mole hills? The District Attorney has released several people from prison and exposed the taxpayers to huge lawsuits. "Two Are Released From Prison" 5/31/12,

Documents were shredded, removed and had to be seized by the District Attorney. - "D.A. SEIZES RECORDS" 5/10/12

"Those "felony charges" were a perfect example. It has always been a common practice to change your time from sick to vacation but Wilson didn't know and he was stretching it as part of his smear campaign against a great cop, just check his record." -
Just because it is common practice does not mean that it is right & that common practice led to, "The lax controls on the accrual system apparently led to the town overpaying five retiring officers more than $44,000 in compensation for unused accrued time off last year." - ‘Troubling’ Practices Subject Of D.A.’s Probe 11/29/12

"Then Wilson blows the whole incident with Sickles up. He was prescribed the medication so what is the problem? Does that make the bad guys not bad anymore? He didn't do anything other than take the drugs he was prescribed end of subject." -
He should not have be at work with drugs in his system that could alter his performance. Alcohol is legal, should any officer be allowed to work under the influence of that too?

"He is gone and we aren't so lets get back to work and keeping this town safe."

That is very concerning because we, the public, are not sure who we need to be kept safe from - the criminals, you or both.



" May 13, 13 1:34 PM

Lt Kiernan seems to be responsible for all the "bad press" as you call it. Prisoners released, lawsuits, and DA investigations do not happen because of bad press. Lt Kiernan, like all the cops, gets paid a lot of money. 73 days pay penalty was probably very costly as well as his admitting guilt.
"Pleading guilty to the four disciplinary charges satisfied 28 remaining counts, many of which dealt with Lt. Kiernan’s oversight of the Street Crime Unit. He was forced to give up 73 days of sick, personal and vacation time as a penalty. He has since returned to active duty.
Lt. Kiernan’s attorney, Mr. Perini, said the agreement stipulated that while a guilty
plea was entered to the four disciplinary charges, the lieutenant was only admitting to failing to adequately document his assigning another officer to serve as driver for the officer in question while he was on duty." - 3/7/13 'UPDATE: Top Cops Dispute Charges That Street Crime Unit Office Was Strewn With Drugs'
" May 16, 13 11:41 AM

Where are your "facts"? You are just rambling without any basis since Lt Kiernan is the self admitted and confirmed liar. I have no idea why Southampton Town would keep someone in the department that lies to internal affairs.

" May 17, 13 11:05 AM

fuou812 - I as well as most of the other posters here would welcome the NYS Attorney General or US Attorney to come in a clean the mess up.

With the content of your posts I would assume that you would have to be a town board member or Lt Kiernan to have that knowledge.
"As to his "felony" charges, he was told by the town administrator that that was a bookkeeping error and he went ahead with criminal charges anyway with the assistance of an individual who wanted Kiernan's job. The DA told him that those charges were ridiculous and to take a hike"
"And finally, there are no federal, state, county or local investigations afoot"
"Wilson goes on vacation and refuses to return when ordered to do so by the supervisor and you question whether it was the worst storm in East End history"

Based on your angry tone and the statement "Pleading guilty to 4 of 32 charges was a business decision since even being found innocent would cost more time" it would appear that you are Lt Kiernan.

If you are then I would like to say that you disgraced the Southampton Police and Town residents. You costs us hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements, legal fees and consulting fees. You made our town less safe by allowing the drug dealers to be released. One would think that you would be counting your blessings in that you still are a police officer making a great salary, but instead you are here posting like a child who will not accept responsibility for his actions and pointing his finger at anyone else he can. That attitude shows that you feel either above the law or that you have done nothing wrong. Since you feel that way you will probably continue your corrupt conduct as usual and that is the saddest part for all of us residents." May 17, 13 4:12 PM

East Hampton Town To Be Free Of FAA Control; Seeks Increased Revenue

So, they do not want FAA funding but need to increase revenue WHILE cutting back on traffic going to the airport. This seems like a recipe for failure." Dec 28, 14 5:12 PM

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