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Zeldin Says No Special Prosecutor Needed After FBI Director Fired

Yes zilch. Easily explainable in the light of continuous fake news." May 17, 17 11:44 AM

Mr. Z, you fail to acknowledge the testimony of former Deputy Assistant Secretary Of State for International Programs For Diplomatic Security Charlene Lamb before The House Select Committee On Benghazi on December 15, 2015 and in 2012. In 2012 she testified that she told Eric Nordstrom, a Regional Security Officer In Libya, that if he submitted a request for more security, she would not support it. HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND REFORM COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN DARRELL ISSA (R-CA): "Ms. Lamb, yesterday you told us in testimony that you received from Mr. Nordstrom a recommendation but not a request for more security. And you admitted that, in fact, you had previously said that if he submitted a request, you would not support it. Is that correct?" LAMB. "Sir, after our meeting last night, I went back and-at the time-" ISSA: "Well, first answer the question, then I will let you expand. Did you say that yesterday, that you would not support it if he gave you the request?" LAMB: "Under the current conditions, yes." ("The Security Failures Of Benghazi," Committee On Oversight And Government Reform, U.S. House Of Representatives, Hearing, 10/10/12. p.52). Benghazi Accountability Review Board: "Board Members Found A Pervasive Realization Among Personnel Who Served In Benghazi That The Special Mission Was Not A High Priority For Washington When It Came To Security-Related Requests." "Overall, the number of Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) security staff in Benghazi on the day of the attack and in the months and weeks leading up to it was inadequate, despite repeated requests from Special Mission Benghazi and Embassy Tripoli for additional staffing. Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing." (U.S. Department Of State, Accountability Review Board Report, 12/18/12, p. 5). In 2012, Lamb Testified That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. ROHRABACHER: "It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I'd like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?" LAMB: "No, sir." (Committee On Oversight And Government Reform, U.S. House Of Representatives, Hearing, 10/10/12)." May 19, 17 8:32 AM

Politics aside if that is possible, budget cuts were NOT the reason why three Americans died in Benghazi. They died because of on-the-ground decisions related to what we now know to be inadequate security - and decisions made by State Department leadership to NOT consider improvements to inadequate security to which there was no nexus to funding. Those decisions boiled down to deciding inadequate security was not a priority." May 20, 17 9:32 PM

Yeah, all that energy and effort Making America Great Again can be exhausting." May 21, 17 6:29 PM

The real question, is the Left Islamaphobic or Misogynist? Hillary Clinton tried to pass herself off as a champion of women, but the leaders of Islamic countries easily bought her silence on their poor treatment of women by donating many millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. With marked contrast to Hillary Clinton's silence, Ivanka Trump is actually stepping up and doing something positive for women in the Mid East, much to Leftist dismay. " May 21, 17 8:58 PM

Jeanne d'Arc as you say hat? Not really. Just a simple unselfish act. " May 22, 17 9:09 AM

Good for Flynn. As we saw during the Obama administration and parade of officials who plead the fifth, it doesn't equate to guilt or misconduct or so the story would go. " May 22, 17 9:47 PM

Arnold, Google my friend, it's not classified information and to most who are paying attention, it's common knowledge - the count is somewhere around 10 - at least - and that's considering a corrupt media that is incapable of doing its job when a Democrat is in office. " May 23, 17 12:02 AM

More like wishful thinking. Declared unproven by Snopes on May 15th. As you know, an indictment indicates being charged with a crime. No crime has been identified as being committed. At best for those cheering for an indictment, precedent would dictate a sitting president would have to be fully impeached before being charged with a crime. It seems unlikely federal prosecutors would contradict the Department of Justice. " May 23, 17 8:47 AM

Conflating issues is what the Left does best. Should we vet all Brits now you say June B and perhaps Mr. Z? That statement misrepresents what the the executive orders are on its face value. The executive order has two major components. It temporarily suspended entry of all refugees - those who want to resettle in the United States - for 120 days and barred refugees from Syria indefinitely. It also prohibits nearly all citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen from entering the United States for 90 days. No where are Brits mentioned. But yes, IF Brits or anyone for that matter are coming to the US to live, they should go through certain vetting which (GASP!!!) may look at travel and associates from the 7 countries identified as terrorism hotbeds (Abedi visited Libya and Syria), and certainly those who come onto the radar as having indications of being radicalized as Salman Abedi had been identified as having become by his parents." May 24, 17 9:12 AM

Here's what we know. 1) Either a leak occurred on a alleged conversation between Trump and Coates/Rogers to the WP - possibly a crime or it is a fabrication - also a crime. 2) two current and two former officials, made the statement to the WP. 3) The administration denied such a conversation took place. 4) Coates refused to corroborate the conversation took place. WTF are we even talking about here? NOTHING! It's unsubstantiated BS." May 24, 17 9:36 PM

Ahh. Good catch hat t/y, not that it changes anything as the whole thing remains as I stated before in my bottom line... UNSUBSTANTIATED. Washington Post May 22 By Adam Entous and Ellen Nakashima “The White House does not confirm or deny unsubstantiated claims based on illegal leaks from anonymous individuals,” a White House spokesman said. “The president will continue to focus on his agenda that he was elected to pursue by the American people.” UNSUBSTANTIATED.

I suppose you're looking for evidence to support an incident that questionably ever took place? I see how this works. Guilty until proven innocent is the new Leftist credo. " May 25, 17 3:49 PM

Oh good, hat is making predictions! We know what that means if the election results are any indication. Accused "Right-Wingers" are the hoot (wait for the pattern!), yet Leftists have called for Trump to be impeached — despite having never seen any actual evidence against him and despite the fact Comey was required by law to report any potential obstruction of justice to federal authorities, which he didn’t do. See a pattern by our leftist friends? If they aren't in deny deny deny mode, it's attack attack attack - all despite the evidence, or in this case, without ANY substantiated evidence. " May 26, 17 9:21 AM

"The Donald FIRED Comey while he was in the midst of investigating Trump..." Wrong hat!

HE (Comey) was not investigating Trump. This is a misrepresentation of facts. HE (Comey) does not investigate... the FBI investigates. Second, Trump is not under investigation. Circumstances of possible Russian involvement in the election is being investigated. Not Trump. There remains no evidence indicating collusion. This is a Leftist pipe dream. Something that has no evidence... isn't and shouldn't be the source of an investigation. But it would seem, this is the police state tactics the Lefists have deployed. " May 31, 17 9:42 AM

So someone you know, was told something by someone they know about an issue, in which the details are unknown. Hmmm. Ok, got it." May 31, 17 1:59 PM

Community Reacts To Southampton Village Board Candidate Using Slur In Call To Police

"If she were a Republican this would be a non-issue and all the usual suspects on here would be defending her."

Bull!!!" Jun 1, 17 10:11 AM

Zeldin Says No Special Prosecutor Needed After FBI Director Fired

One think I've learned is that the angrier and more crazy our Leftist friends get, the better things are going for Republicans and the country and in June B's case, President Trump. I give this ^^^^^ a solid 9.8 on the ACME Angry Scale. So June B, since you make nothing more than unsubstantiated sweeping generalized statements like, "still-active entrenched machine..." Now, please add a ".... such as...." to provide some clarity as to whether it is your opinion or you are attempting some linkage to an actual fact, or worse yet a reference to some slanted source who is using its own blind unsubstantiated rhetoric. " Jun 1, 17 4:08 PM

No coincidence June B on the 200 contractors, because you're recycling year old news that dates back to the 1980s. Here's a thought, maybe there is a good reason the contractors didn't get paid. The only thing I've ever built is a house; and payments to contractors are done by % of completion; and the last payment is never paid until the contractor has completed any "punch list" items.....so I do understand how some are late paid or their bill is re-negotiated to compensate for the incomplete or unsatisfactory work. I'm sure those "getting stiffed" certainly feel stiffed. " Jun 2, 17 8:33 AM

Governor Andrew Cuomo Announces $2 Million To Improve Water Quality On Long Island

Hat forgets where the Sea Grant funding comes from. Thank you Lee Zeldin for your vote supporting this reauthorization of funding and for leadership in efforts such as the April 3, 2017 bi-partisan letter to the Appropriation Committee supporting full FY 2018 funding for the Sea Grant Program which makes possible actions such as Governor Andrew Cuomo's announce and additional $2.05 million in funding to support the state Sea Grant." Jun 5, 17 10:21 AM

UPDATE: Valerie Smith Posts Apology On Facebook For Using Racial Slur

About the same time Trump allegedly said that in response to the question, "what are you thinking about when you are shaving in front of the mirror in the morning? Trump, appeared baffled Singer wrote. Hoping to uncover the man behind the actor’s mask, Singer tried a different tack: “O.K., I guess I’m asking, do you consider yourself ideal company," Bill Clinton was getting hummers in the Oval office. What's your point? More importantly, who is the REAL bona fide sociopath? And, what drives those who post BS like this twenty years later, huh Mr. Z?" Jun 5, 17 11:07 PM

Governor Andrew Cuomo Announces $2 Million To Improve Water Quality On Long Island

Very happy to get to the meat of the facts hat. Bravo for the NYS DEMOCRATS for FINALLY stepping up to fund more than the standard $400,000 per year for the health of the East End natural resources (against the Federal governments millions – thank you Mr. Zeldin). The very politically expedient move by our esteemed governor made for one great photo-op but leaves one wondering where Democratic led efforts have been the last few years.

As far as any "defunding" of the Sea Grant Program, this has not occurred yet and if it does occur, it will be for no lack of efforts to save it from Mr. Zeldin. His open bi-partisan letter to the appropriation committee dated April 7, 2017 urged support for the continued Federal funding of the Sea Grant Program and program for the East End.
" Jun 6, 17 8:41 AM

Of course you're mistaken hat for it is the ignorant who automatically think the worst of those who hold a differing of opinion. Deliberately? Please. Where I erred was in the details that the NYS Democrats who you lauded have historically shown very little support for such programs given the limited funding they've allocated. Not to mention, I failed to correctly estimate the political expedience and intentions of a good photo-op. Yes, I should have known there was more to the story.

Conversely as referenced by the $72.5 million in CR 244 allocated for federal funding for the National Sea Grant College Program, it's a natural assumption and conclusion to draw that federal funding was involved. But all that aside, we both know your real issue is with Mr. Zeldin who you continue to deliberately mislead readers through quotes like, "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End" and "as a result of the disinterest of Congressman Lee Zeldin in our problems". " Jun 6, 17 10:09 AM

Sorry hat, since the discussion is limited to the East End, we're gonna have to take the Pine Barrens off the table as a qualified talking point. I see no reason to include since the health of Long Island Sound is of no significance to you. “Casuistry”, anyone?

" Jun 9, 17 1:31 PM

....Says the guy who doesn't think the health of Long Island Sound impacts the East End (minimizing the work and funding supported by Lee Zeldin) and cheaply and routinely politicizes environmental issues and the good work that is being done simply because it's by a Republican ... You see hat, I'm the person in this discussion who believes ALL of District 1 is important and it's ALL interrelated. This is our community and I actually find your politicization of this issue completely ignorant in itself. " Jun 12, 17 7:48 AM

I will repeat my statement from April 13 to your position - Simply asinine! Our interaction at that time began with your nonsensical and ridiculous statement that Mr. Zeldin "hasn't done a thing for the East End" (Your exact words), followed a week later by a deflection to specifically the environment after examples were show that Mr. Zeldin IS working hard for District 1. When it was pointed out all the work Mr. Zeldin IS doing for the East End and it's unique needs you minimized those efforts instead now hanging your hat on the recent efforts our governor for FINALLY doing his job, in all likelihood, in a grand stand of political showmanship - in the back drop of proposed budget cuts that Lee Zeldin has loudly opposed. " Jun 12, 17 10:34 AM

Incorrect per your standard protocol hat. Claiming lack of relevance of national programs is the evolution of the spin you've placed on the discussion as the most recent attempt to minimize important efforts Mr. Zeldin has successfully undertaken. You continue to place cheap political partisanship over the well being of the East End. While you criticize the strategy of national programs, one might suggest in the framework of billion dollar budgets, forming caucuses, building partnerships and establishing coordinated efforts based on shared unique needs is actually an incredibly SMART strategy Mr. Zeldin has undertaken for it allows for a bigger bite of the apple. Could you imagine asking for $2 million or even 5.3 million in a budget that size? Reality check hat... that's peanuts and it would NEVER see the light of day. But please, continue to applaud the efforts of your Democratic heroes for finally stepping up and doing the job they should be doing rather than rely on the big pockets of the federal government." Jun 13, 17 9:59 AM

Oh come now hat. "Proposed my a**. The $1.16 billion in FUNDED efforts for the Fire Island to Montauk revitalization effort, funded at 48% higher than the $600 million as a result of Mr. Zeldin's efforts will most certainly begin before either the Pine Barren funding or clam seeding sees the light of day - other than the promotional stunt of course which only ANNOUNCED funding. " Jun 13, 17 11:23 AM

You are full of many things hat. Comprehension isn't one of them. How you've now chosen to categorize the discussion - work done vs. funded vs. proposals only, is of your own doing for it simply suits your argument and is typical of the evolution of a bankrupt point of view. Remember, we started with your claim "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End." That's been well refuted now...over and over and over again. " Jun 15, 17 8:33 AM

Your argument is absolutely lame hat. "Insignificant" is by your own admission, your belief. Sorry to advise this to you, but you don't self righteously determine what does and doesn't get cited as supporting an argument. BUT, if we applied that logic, you ALSO would have ZERO argument - "while the governor's $5.3 million has yet to be spent", and we wouldn't be having this lovely exchange.

We know that Mr. Zeldin secured a 48% increase in funding for the Fire Island to Montauk revitalization project to the tune of $1.16 billion, I'm still waiting for you to identify an additional $1.1 billion for even the score to the governors paltry $5.3 million. My append on Jun 13, 17 11:23 AM gives great detail of where Mr. Zeldin's secured funding of $1.16 billion will be spent in District 1 - including the East End. " Jun 15, 17 10:24 AM

From Mr. Zeldin's website where the $1.16 billion will be spent and has been specifically earmarked for: -Beach and dune nourishment throughout the Fire Island to Montauk Point area, including beaches and waterfront on the Great South Bay, Moriches Inlet, Fire Island, and Westhampton barrier islands, among other locations. -Dredging to maintain Fire Island Inlet, Moriches Inlet, and Shinnecock Inlet. -Groin (jetty) modifications at Westhampton and Ocean Beach. -Raising of 4,000 homes, and road raising in Mastic, NY for 5.9 miles of road to protect 1,054 homes, including Riviera Drive. -Support of the local management plan of Georgica Pond, and continued erosion protection along Potato Road and Downtown Montauk. -Construction of dunes on Dune Road and option for a “betterment” project to raise Dune Road. The plan also includes a variety of coastal and wetland restoration projects that will use the natural environment to reduce flooding, erosion, and storm damage, while also preserving the natural environment and habitat for wildlife. This will be especially beneficial in areas like Mastic Beach where bulkheading or other hard structures are not the solution, and for back bay areas where the loss of wetlands has led to flooding. " Jun 16, 17 9:32 AM

What in life is guaranteed hat? Yep, that's what I thought.

But, since the $1.16 trillion has been approved within a federal budget as such, it's legally mandated to be spent in that manner. Guaranteed... it's the closest thing you find to it...you bet. " Jun 18, 17 5:08 PM

Well hat, at the end of the day it would seem even by your ridiculous assertions, Mr. Zeldin performed admirably, and at NO FAULT TO HIS OWN, Mr. Zeldin delivered for District 1 and the East End which is the focus of our discussion." Jun 18, 17 11:09 PM

Conclusion? Only yours, hat. Where we part is I don't dwell in the hypothetical. We know this for FACT: Mr. Zeldin as a member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee secured $1.16 billion dollars for District 1, to include beach nourishment, dredging and shoreline projects on the East End, to which you have issue with seemingly based on political ideology. It's interesting how you applaud one project for Shinnecock Bay but dismiss another for Shinnecock Inlet - paradoxical? - you bet your hat! " Jun 20, 17 8:23 AM

Focus hat.... we're discussing your defense of the comment "Mr. Zeldin doesn't do a thing for the East End".

Clearly, by working to secure $1.16 billion in funding for District 1 beach nourishment, dredging and shoreline projects - much of which includes the East End, Mr. Zeldin most certainly does. But I'm now perplexed by the newest revelation that you support one program for Shinnecock Bay (Democrat) but against another for Shinnecock Inlet (Republican)... Ooops... is right. One can only conclude you're either a rabid ideologue or really don't give a hat about the East End.


" Jun 20, 17 10:31 AM

Tedious perhaps hat, for your hat is covering your listening ears. " Jun 21, 17 8:20 AM

hat, you're double talk is so incredibly pervasive I hardly know where to begin.

1) If I say the $1.16 billion is for District 1, please restrain YOUR presumptuousness and refrain from telling me that I said it will be ony for the East End

2) Mr. Zeldin has performed his duties admirably by supporting and ensuring funds impacting concerns of the East End were received.

3) Item 2 YOU claim the "final result of the inchoate process is unknowable" YET, you say "By contrast, a vanishingly small percentage of the Fire Island to Montauk proposal will be so spent (on the East End). If I may use your own words agianst you yet again - "The blatant hypocrisy that you exhibit in this discussion is epitomized by your determined blindness to this dichotomy."

4) You have YET to my knowledge say you support the dredging of Shinnecock Inlet. if I have missed it, I welcome you pointing it out as an admission of Mr. Zeldins success.

Rational East Enders have observed Mr. Zeldin's engagement and success in dealing with the unique challenges of District 1 and the Est End going on three years now. Our conclusion are iindeed informed by that behavior in light of the political ideologue and demagoguery of some who choose politic over the well being of their neighbors.




" Jun 22, 17 5:15 PM

Yawn hat, you're boring me with your incessant babble, falsehoods and misdirection - BUT we are making a little progress to cast aside the patently false statement which you have more than shown you support, that "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End". I’m pleased to see you support the dredging of the Shinnecock Inlet to which Mr. Zeldin secured funding for among many other projects impacting District 1 and the East End – all total $1.16 billion.
So YOU won’t consider the project in question a success until “it’s DONE, and DONE PROPERLY.” On the surface most would agree. HOWEVER – being the political ideologue that YOU are, we both know what that subjectivity means and that the standard will never be met as long as a Republican is at the District 1 helm. It will NEVER be good enough for a political ideologue hell bent on using political prejudices rather than rational argument – all at the expense of his fellow neighbors.
" Jun 23, 17 6:27 AM

My OPINION of the appropriate "behavior" of a Congressman hat? My summary was nothing more than a result of a google search on the duties of a Congressman. There is nothing opinion about it. Problem is, and another fine example of your astounding hypocrisy accusing others of what you are guilty of, it is but YOUR opinion and prejudiced standard that has engulfed your entire laughable argument. " Jun 23, 17 12:35 PM

Blind in your eyes hat, that's what this is really all about.... Your self righteousness.... not Mr. Zeldin. $1.16 Billion to District 1 is a lot of bacon... including several projects that will benefit the East End... Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects... and this is just ONE slice of your so called bacon. If it were a Democrat, you'd be defending the funding and happier than a pig in S**t. Please..." Jun 26, 17 8:16 AM

So happy hat we were able to dispel the myths and misconceptions surrounding the blatantly false and ridiculous statement that Mr. Zeldin "hasn't done a thing for the East End."

We began with evidence of Mr. Zeldin's announcement of funding that would benefit 9/11 first responder health issues. With the goal posts moving, we then moved on to environmental issues which included his efforts on water pollution in Long Island Sound and local East End estuary programs. We then moved on to his support against the sale of Plum Island to private entities (which you seemed to applaud). We then covered Mr. Zeldin's participation in numerous committees and caucuses, and finally, covered his securing of a 48% increase in funding - totaling $1.16 Billion for District 1 and the Fire Island to Montauk Point restoration effort which is slated to include local projects for the dredging of Shinnecock Inlet (which you also support) as well as other local dune and beach projects. I look forward to clearing up future "misconceptions" with you. " Jun 27, 17 9:11 AM

It's "OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" hat because you've provided nothing more than your conflated OPINION "OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" when the FACTS state otherwise. Give credit to Mr. Zeldin where credit is due rather than the entrenched idealogue conjecture and we'll call it a day. " Jun 28, 17 3:32 PM

$1.16 Billion dollars allocated to the District 1 Fire Island to Montauk Point restoration project...including several projects that will benefit the East End... Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects... Your illusion of that so called discredited FACT is only matched by the self righteousness and ideologue nature of your attempt to discredit it. " Jun 29, 17 11:03 AM

Misleading how so?

I've offered an example of a project that has been allocated for District 1 which includes several sub projects slated for East End action. To my knowledge and short of information which you can specifically provide that says they WONT's happen, I see no difference in your planting of the flag of success for a program which HASN"T YET TAKEN PLACE as stated in this article "Mr. Cuomo announced that Albany has set aside..."

Your middle name isn't Hypocrisy is it hat?

" Jun 30, 17 12:42 PM

Got it hat, you've got nothing other than your opinion. You certainly don't have anything that states East End projects included in the $1.16 billion - including Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects - won't happen. You've got zilch. Mr. Zeldin clarly IS doing positive things for the East End." Jul 1, 17 2:22 PM

Well, where is your proof? I've shown $1.16 billion on the table...." Jul 10, 17 7:45 AM

Zeldin Defends Comments About Donald Trump Jr., Voices Concerns About Threats By Celebrities

The Southampton Press... sinking to new depths one fake news story at a time. The only thing missing from this hit piece is a twitter quote from long time Donald Trump nemesis Rosie O'Donnell who tweeted - "shove ur fact pattern up ur a*s @XXXXXXX"... among other lovely nuggets.
" Jul 20, 17 10:52 AM

If only it were all true hat - but your point is misleading as usual. Congress originally set the cap at 66,000 workers for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30 for H2B (non-agriculture workers). In May, lawmakers (thank you Mr. Zeldin just for you hat) gave DHS Secretary Kelly authority to approve up to an additional 70,000 temporary visas - again - for H2B. H2A visas for (agriculture workers) aka "EAST END GROWERS" ---->HAS NO CAP. Businesses can hire as they wish based on their needs when US workers are not available. " Jul 21, 17 8:21 AM

As a matter of unfortunate fact hat, your original post as you wrote it focused on numbers of H2A visas - specifically “15,000 additional temporary visas, but NONE for AGRICULTURAL workers” and “president’s exclusion” - you intentionally and incorrectly played a numbers game as it relates to the H2A program. " Jul 24, 17 8:01 AM

That's NOT what you stated hat (conflating one issue with the other), and I responded to what you wrote. You wrote on the sheer number of H2A visas, incorrectly applied a correlation to the lack of a cap on H2A (agriculture and what you wrote) and cap on H2B (non-agriculture to what you cited) and THEN castigated the president for not including an increase to visa numbers (to which there is no cap for H2A - "EAST END GROWERS" as you referred to them) and then our good Congressman for not doing anything to solve a problem (with H2-B visas mind you) that requires a complicated change in (immigration) legislation or at minimum, a rewrite of regulation which is a lengthy - often years long - process." Jul 25, 17 11:49 AM

But alas, the citation to which is old and well read when it was originally posted doesn't have a lick to do with the sheer number of H2A visas for "EAST END GROWERS." The linkage in your original post to the president's adding of visa's and as you now assert, was to H2B visas - NOT H2A. This is why your post was pointed out as misleading. Own it.

Finally, a simple search on "agriculture labor shortage on Long Island" will provide ample documentation that certain groups have been making this claim for years - well before Mr. Zeldin became our esteemed Congressman. "Growing Shortage of Farm Workers
bridget shirvell | NOVEMBER 13, 2014 Lipulse. So why didn't Tim Bishop in 12 years do anything about the problem of H2A backlogs? Don't get me wrong. Asking those in the agriculture business to weigh in on the H2A process is like asking La Raza to weigh in on immigration reform.... but Bishop squarely was either asleep at the wheel or perhaps the problem is complicated and difficult to solve (let alone in five months).
" Jul 26, 17 8:29 AM

Simply incorrect hat and I'll point you to one line from my citiation... "For years farmers and their supporters have looked to immigration reform as the solution to the labor shortage problem". The point now reiterated showing the long standing problem ("For Years" subtracted 2014 the date of the article=Tim Bishop incompetence using your standard), I'll further reiterate the point there is simply no cap on H2A visas to which you used to attack both the president and our good congressman, so that leaves just one issue - the so called, questionable and yet to be proven logjam.

If you have sources showing No sand, No money I'm all ears.... it's been demonstrated for starters projects of those you note are part of the $1.6 Billion of funding allocated to the Army Corp.

Now on to transgender in the military... Why would someone in the middle of changing gender (trans) be permitted in the military? The military make decisions of who can and can't be in the military based on deployability. If you had a severe peanut allergy, you would NOT be permitted in the military since it would impact your deployability to Peanutstan. The trans in transgender impacts deployability. It's that simple but I won't expect tons to understand simple. " Jul 27, 17 10:44 AM

Leggo my Eggo hat... I'm repeating my rebuttal to your assertions to re-rebutt your re-reassertions. You asserted there is a cap on H2A visas, I rebutted. You re-reasserted... I re-rebutted. Simply put, there is not a cap on H2A visas. We could end it there, that is, unless you re-re-re-re-re-reassert the misleading assertion.

Ho-hum re: the August 24 citation and merely FAKE NEWS – to use your very own words – “…Every program of this sort is subject to modification by such things as budgetary underestimations. Moreover the Army Corps Chief has yet to give final approval to the project.” The $1.6 Billion speaks volumes. Mr. Zeldin did his job and did it will - both in securing funds and imploring citizen engagement.

As far as the Rand Study, they are merely a group that attempts to improve policy and decision making through research and analysis. Ultimately, it is the decision of the Commander-in-Chief to flush out what is best. You further and once again typically and incorrectly assume ignorance on the part of others who point out something, but yet omit other information for the sake of brevity in this case the sub group of the trans gender who are actively getting treatment. Rand aptly addresses the deployment concerns of those engaged in treatment. Whether it is significant is up to Defense leadership to determine. And then there is the cost considerations..... $millions......

" Jul 27, 17 12:59 PM

Hat, please refrain from gravitating into the abyss for the sake of us all, focus my friend. So, one more time, to your one more time....There is no cap on H2A agricultural workers (we agree). "but NOT A ONE for the farm workers that local farmers asked The Honorable Lee to arrange." is moot, misleading, and factually inaccurate for no where in the aforementioned article is sheer number mentioned NOR indicated as "the problem". Of course there is "NOT A ONE".... it's a bottomless pit if it can be justified! Infinity plus one is STILL infinity.

What IS mentioned is industry opinion which of course would like regulation streamlined and eased to get needed workers easier but that is tied to immigration law, to which as we discussed but will point out once AGAIN, even the great Tim Bishop in 12 years failed to resolve, but you castigate the Honorable Mr. Zeldin for inaction in 5 months.

I say tisk tisk to partisan ideology which seems to be at the expense of our neighbors. " Jul 28, 17 1:43 PM

Hat, your initial statement "but NONE for AGRICULTURAL workers as EAST END GROWERS had requested Congressman Zeldin to facilitate.*" is not only misleading, it doesn't even accurately reflect the content of your own citation which focused on alleged "logjam" of visas... not numbers in existence. You've conflated two, no three issues (number of visas, content and conflation of H2A and H2B specifics), likely fueled by ideologue vitriol, and rather than focus on the facts as you presented them and I responded, instead would like to throw a smoke screen up and focus on whether I read a four months old citation to which YOU and I shared countless exchanges on THAT thread. " Jul 31, 17 8:31 AM

Man Convicted Of Southampton Village Home Invasion Sentenced To 21 Years In Prison

People..people... have you not seen the article, "Crime Is Down In Southampton Town, Police Chief Says." Please.... can we have calm.... all is well in the oasis...mirage...whatever. " Aug 3, 17 9:48 AM

Protesters Converge On Stephen Schwarzman's Water Mill Home

How about Obama lies then June B? Barack Obama December 17, 2010: In remarks before signing a bill to extend Bush tax cuts, Obama called it "a substantial victory for middle-class families across the country." He added: "They're the ones hardest hit by the recession we've endured. They're the ones who need relief right now." Obama described the bill as "a package of tax relief that will protect the middle class, that will grow our economy and will create jobs for the American people."
" Aug 7, 17 10:57 AM

Peaceful Protest Held In Bridgehampton A Day After Violence Erupts At 'Unite The Right' Rally In Virginia

What is your position on Antifa June B? Just curious, because when the president denounced ALL groups of hatred, bigotry and violence HE was standing for equality and justice for all. " Aug 14, 17 12:20 PM

You didn't answer the question, and covered your tracks with misinformation and zero context. Should we infer that you support the actions and tactics of Antifa?" Aug 14, 17 1:19 PM

"Antifa fights for equality and social justice. Black Lives Matter fights for equality and social justice."

You mean, like the Antifa propaganda graphic posted on their website that call for the "elimination" of Trump supporters in similar fashion as that of the Nazi's in WW II? Or maybe, "what do we do to pigs in a blanket, fry them"? Call it what you will, both Antifa and BLM have demonstrated hateful and often violent tactics and as such just a stones thrown from the supposed fascist groups they oppose. " Aug 15, 17 8:47 AM

Making an edit to remove "supposed" from my above post. Point being, there isn't much difference in hate groups whether it be the KKK, Antifa or whatever other group that espouses hatred, bigotry or violence. Ignorance is the common denominator. " Aug 15, 17 9:17 AM

UPDATE: East Hampton Town Officials Denounce Violence In Charlottesville

Makes you wonder WHO is benefiting from the intentionally ginned up chaos and violence.

Answer: Democrats who were desperate to find a way to regain relevance. That includes the Democratic politicians who gave the stand down orders to the police down to the ignorant Antifa bigots who came to provoke a fight. They got what they wanted from the ignorant and bigoted KKK. " Aug 17, 17 8:14 AM

The facts are irrefutable indeed. Two sides came armed for battle. Both hold bigoted and hate filled extremist views and both have a history of violence. " Aug 17, 17 9:39 AM

Most definitely? LOL. Thank you Dr. June Bug. I'll personally wait for the pee test, or Hillary the resident expert of medicating, to weigh in. " Aug 22, 17 9:51 PM

Judging from the defensiveness we've confirmed it was intended to poke fun at those with a disease. I think we've hit a new level (low) of self-riotousness. Tell the AMA it's not a disease. The official National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism would disagree with as well. " Aug 23, 17 3:30 PM

Ohhh, so you were poking fun at people with DISORDERS. My bad even though the AMA, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and even AA would say otherwise. If you think a person "chooses" to drink themselves into a slow death over the course of countless years while wreaking havoc to themselves and families, you've either A) never met an alcoholic or B) have serious anger toward someone who was and refuse to accept it for what it was. " Aug 23, 17 7:29 PM

From Wiki: Ethanol, also called alcohol, ethyl alcohol, and drinking alcohol, is the principal type of alcohol found in alcoholic beverages. So no, in it's purest form, ethanol is not a poison.

We've yet to see any from you Mr. Z on the classification of alcoholism as a disease by authorities such as the AMA, AA or the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. Tick tock..." Aug 24, 17 6:36 PM

Water is lethal if you drink enough of it.

Meanwhile, one can't wonder how far you've wandered off the farm. Come home brown cow! Tell us more about how alcoholism isn't a disease. Please refute the AMA, AA and NIAAA... PLEASE!" Aug 24, 17 11:39 PM

Medical Dictionary Definition. Alcoholism or alcohol dependence is defined by the American Medical Association (AMA) as "a primary, chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations."" Aug 25, 17 5:34 PM

Yeah, we all know how antiquated the American Medical Association is. " Aug 26, 17 11:46 AM

Seems the "peaceful" fascist "ant-fascists" were at it again last night.

Anarchy in Berkeley: A hundred black-clad antifascists with 'no hate' signs storm rally, pepper spray leader of conservative Patriot Prayer group and clash with cops
•Ten have been arrested after skirmishes on Sunday between competing rallies in Berkeley, California
•Thousands of protesters joined a left-wing 'Rally Against Hate' march in the college town
•They descended on a handful of pro-Trump protesters at 'No To Marxism' rally that had been called off
•Over 100 black-clad masked antifa broke through police lines waving anarchist flags, assaulting several
" Aug 28, 17 10:59 AM

BULL!!! Antifa and BLM are violent, hate filled and bigoted movements.

One would be wise to NOT equate ALL to anything...that includes TRUMP SUPPORTERS an the police. But that is exactly what they do. " Aug 28, 17 10:28 PM

Deplorable. Black Lives Matter and/or those identifying with BLM participate at the same events as Antifa - protesting side by side... In UNISON, violence* and all. Did you miss that portion of the Charlottesville footage?

Where are the so called moderate democrats - you know, the significant majority you've referred to - condemning Antifa and BLM for the violence, dangerous rhetoric and bigoted views?? You can't even suggest that ALL lives matter without blow back.


*Black Lives Matter’s Violence Undermines Its Credibility
Black Lives Matter protests the country over have turned violent. This is not the way to get justice. By Nicole Russell
JULY 12, 2016 The Federalist" Aug 29, 17 9:12 AM

Unbelievable. It sure doesn't take you long to migrate off to tangential topics. I never once said in my point that BLM was responsible for what transpired in Charlottsiville, what i said was "protesting side by side... In UNISON, violence and all." Who started it.... who cares. I guarantee you whatever you read the truth is in the middle* with ALL SIDES BEARING RESPONSIBILITY (including local authorities). For every "first hand account saying it was the KKK, you'll find one stating it was Antifa. Don't bore me with citations pointing fingers for the violence of an incident where multiple entities were clearly at fault.


Right and Left on the Violence in Charlottesville
By ANNA DUBENKOAUG. 14, 2017

" Aug 29, 17 2:33 PM

I see you've abandoned any reference to the fascist Antifa and the violence, hatred and bigotry it espouses, choosing instead, to plant the flag with BLM. You can claim one last time, or countless next times that BLM is LMAO*... "PEACEFUL." The KKK says its not racist. What's your point? My point is that if it quacks and walks like a duck....it's a duck. When they calling for dead cops, has a platform that insists black lives are systematically and intentionally targeted for demise, causes property damage in the process, creates an environment that agitates and directly and/or indirectly results in death, injury and property damage....hmmm....that duck be a-walkin'.


*Permanently disabled’ Baton Rouge officer sues Black Lives Matter for 2016 ambush shooting By Katie Mettler July 10 

" Aug 30, 17 11:03 AM

I see you've completely ignored information that runs contrary to your point, choosing instead, LITERALLY... NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.

Permanently disabled’ Baton Rouge officer sues Black Lives Matter for 2016 ambush shooting By Katie Mettler July 10 " Aug 30, 17 6:25 PM

More Hypocrisy from Black Lives Matterby IAN TUTTLE July 12, 2016 Too many protestors choose to escalate tension and increase the likelihood of violence." Aug 31, 17 12:21 PM

"but an unsanctioned, spontaneous, thirty-second incident cherry-picked from an otherwise innocuous event of some hours."

But yet, those chanting the disgusting, reprehensible and dangerous rhetoric just hours after a Texas Deputy was gunned down in cold blood and chanted in ear shot and feet away of St. Paul police leading the protesters... held Black Lives Matters signs. Rashad Turner, the organizer of the St. Paul march saw nothing wrong with what was chanted.... referring to the rhetoric you've called "reprehensible," as just words.
" Sep 4, 17 11:20 PM

“At any point when the rhetoric ramps up to the point where calculated, coldblooded assassinations of police officers happen, this rhetoric has gotten out of control,” Sheriff Hickman said. “We’ve heard ‘black lives matter.’ All lives matter. Well, cops’ lives matter, too. So why don’t we just drop the qualifier and just say ‘lives matter,’ and take that to the bank.”" Sep 5, 17 3:10 PM

Hmmm. Whose sentiment holds more value and meaning? A Sheriff who sees first hand the implications of dangerous rhetoric, or a, um.... well, I'll leave it there.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.” MLK

" Sep 5, 17 10:09 PM

AP/ September 3, 2015. Two sentenced for bomb plot in wake of Ferguson police shooting...The sentences for Brandon Orlando Baldwin, 24, and Olajuwon Davis, 23 - identified by federal agents as New Black Panther Party members."" Sep 6, 17 11:08 AM

From wiki - the Black Panthers were known to chant "Off the pigs!" which helped create the Panthers' reputation as a violent organization.

Sound familiar?

" Sep 6, 17 10:36 PM

Like Naomi and Sammy, every entertainer has a front man and the business of public agitation, mayhem, rhetoric and violence is no different. BLM is nothing more than the front man who manages public image while setting the stage for its miscreants to run loose. It allows those inclined to condone the abhorrent behavior to dismiss and rationalize it. " Sep 8, 17 10:15 AM

Don’t criticize Black Lives Matter for provoking violence. The civil rights movement did, too. Martin Luther King Jr. deliberately courted violence. By Simone Sebastian October 1, 2015" Sep 8, 17 2:50 PM

Shouldn't you be out buying Hillary's book of lies? " Sep 12, 17 10:13 PM

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving. " Sep 13, 17 9:43 AM

DACA Recipients Fear For Their Futures

You're fact checking apples and oranges June B. Duck wrote: "not in the workforce". You're fact checking "out of work." Duck is correct, and evidence is supported here: Bureau of Labor Statistics - "Not in labor force" as of August 2017 - 94,785,000. " Sep 14, 17 2:15 PM

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

Off sets of discretionary spending. " Sep 14, 17 3:16 PM

You know how things work around here hat - the double standard of, to use your phrase, at the "feed and grain." Apparently the same words when used as an adjective to describe public figures is taboo but ok when used toward another reader. Who knew?

I would LOVE for someone to explain it to me. " Sep 15, 17 7:47 PM

While the Left gets embroiled in the semantics of what defines a "wiretap" it very deliberately avoids the message of even the NY Post article: That something is very rotten...even corrupt... FELONIES...in Washington, and has nothing to do with the actions of THIS President.


" Sep 21, 17 1:04 PM

Leave it to "progressives" to implement a decades old concept of a health plan (which they fought against at the time), conceptualized when the countries demographics were very different, and then when it has "glithces", blame it on Republicans who voted unanimously against it. That's not even getting to the lies upon lies Obamacare was sold upon of which one reason was to get Obama four more years in the White House and least of which, it's not affordable. " Sep 21, 17 8:58 PM

That's some double talk you got going on. While Democrats wanted single payer, they knew it would never sell to the public, so they lied over and over again to the public to manage the outrage....you can keep your doctor.... premiums will decrease $3,000...

Obama lied every day...You seem OK with that? Frankly, I don't see Trump lying so much as him having IMO a boisterous communication style. YES, I'm ok with it. I'd rather have white lies, than hum dingers Obama style. " Sep 21, 17 9:23 PM

Please, Obama is untouchable.... always has been... always will be. " Sep 21, 17 9:45 PM

"BTW, is it truly Obama's fault the insurance companies chose not to follow the "Grandfather rules"?"

Why, Yes, it is his fault. It's Obama's signature legislation. But keeping your planis what Obama and a host of the water carriers promised. The "grandfather rules" was what he/they used to explain AFTER it came to be that people would NOT be keeping their plans. It was a useful lie at the time. " Sep 21, 17 9:57 PM

You must feel strongly about the core issue June B to post such a compelling and well written OP ED example. So let's get specific. What examples are you referring to supporting "the incredible number of unarmed black people being killed by the police" that would indicate a systemic problem? Hmmm? The example cited, Alton Sterling btw had a loaded handgun in his front pants pocket and a record of violence including other gun offenses. Please enlighten us.

" Sep 25, 17 9:55 PM

Actions that occur in the work place are certainly not covered. If it's done there then you at the mercy of your employer and/or the customers. " Sep 25, 17 10:01 PM

You mean the guy that refused to take a knee and told CK, "Look, I'll stand next to you. I gotta stand though. I gotta stand with my hand on my heart. That's just-- that's just what I do and where I'm from?'"

" Sep 25, 17 10:05 PM

Wouldn't taking a knee before the national anthem but standing when it was played be HIS constitutional right? How is that the wrong side of history?" Sep 25, 17 10:18 PM

In second grade I learned that standing during the national anthem was a show of respect." Sep 26, 17 7:55 AM

"That's the only basis for your unsubstantiatable conclusion that "FELONIES" have occurred."

Says you. Clapper flat out denied wiretaps and Comey denied while hedging. Now we know they existed. Why didn't either know? Clapper who was Obama’s director of national intelligence, issued a flat denial when asked if he knew of a FISA court order to wiretap the Trump campaign in 2016. Now he’s abruptly changing his story, admitting that Trump could have been recorded on wiretaps. Makes you wonder, don't it hat?? If not, it should.

" Sep 26, 17 3:37 PM

Businessman Trump was correct on that and as President is correcton this:

Sports fans should never condone players that do not stand proud for their National Anthem or their Country. NFL should change policy!
6:25 PM - Sep 24, 2017" Sep 26, 17 10:28 PM

And I bet you stood and held your hand over your heart when you said the Pledge of Allegiance." Sep 26, 17 11:01 PM

Princess Diner Workers Were Sexually Harassed, Threatened With Deportation, Advocacy Group Says

Fore you could not be more incorrect when you wrote - "...but merely overstaying a visa, which is how the majority of illegal immigrants came to be undocumented, is actually a civil violation, not a crime."

First, "merely" severely understates the severity of the illegal action. Overstaying a visa subjects the offender to not only civil penalties, but deportation and barred to returning - aka -gaining ANY legal status for years.

Second, MOST do in fact "sneak into the country" - the majority DO NOT come here by overstaying a visa. Gaining a visa is a arduous process that places the person under government scrutiny. Obtaining a visa would mean they declare themselves at an port of entry with intentions of work or other legitimate reason, MOST DO NOT do this when entering illegally. They ceither cross at a land border which generally does not require a visa, (but passport, border crossing card or trusted traveler document for frequent crossers) and misrepresent their intentions entering the US (another crime) or they enter without presenting themselves for inspection - also known as sneaking in between the ports of entry.

Have you seen the video of trains coming north from central american loaded with people on the roof tops? There is a reason why building a wall is such a hot button issue. Yes, overstays do happen, but its not the primary method used for being here illegally. " Sep 28, 17 9:35 AM

Again, you specifically reference illegals as using visas as being the primary mechanism... not so. Overstays is a problem, for sure. My knowledge is based on... um.... my profession. I'd suggest that neither you nor those not in the know have no idea how many enter through other means... for, there is no record of the entry... they snuck in. It is only through deportation interviews that you get a sense of the magnitude of the problem of those "sneaking in" and it far surpasses visa overstays. " Sep 28, 17 10:11 AM

"Biggest problem" is much different than the manner which you define it, "how the majority of illegal immigrants came to be undocumented".

I work with a government agency with three letters as it's acronym and its mission is rather in the know on the subject. Visa overstays is the "biggest problem" because there has been little effort to document and track outbound travel. Inbound is well documented and tracked. 'Biggest problem" means, we have no idea who leaves and who doesn't (think 9/11 hijackers), and it has nothing to do with "how the majority of illegal immigrants came to be undocumented".

Any other questions?" Sep 28, 17 10:51 AM

No arguing the facts.... but that's not what you originally wrote: "which is how the majority of illegal immigrants came to be undocumented."

You are referencing recent trends, and as I acknowledge both in numbers AND degree of problem, overstays ARE a problem. But here is a better indication of "how the majority of illegal immigrants came to be undocumented":

"Forty percent of people in this country, illegally, are overstaying visas."
— Marco Rubio on Wednesday, July 22nd, 2015 in an appearance on 'Fox & Friends' Mostly True - Politifact Florida
" Sep 28, 17 12:38 PM

I commend you!

But you do you realize we don't really know for certain and it's a really REALLY fuzzy number, right? Afterall, we really don't know how many entered illegally (because we didn't catch them) or even how many entered legally and overstayed (since there is currently no mechanism to track outbound exits against entry records (but a little bird tells me that is being resolved through tesing of biometric and facial recognition technology ;))." Sep 28, 17 1:29 PM

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

Do you not recall how this all started and what Colin Kaepernick said about the flag and the national anthem?

"“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.”

Now, you are saying what he did was a gesture of worship? LMFAO. " Sep 29, 17 1:36 PM

Sure, everyone has an opinion, and let me be the first to say, who gives a rats patootie what former Obama CIA Director John Brennan says on the issue. Let's not forget where it all started...

Colin Kaepernick - "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."
" Oct 1, 17 9:30 PM

Deplorable even. " Oct 1, 17 9:36 PM

Please. " Oct 2, 17 8:19 AM

You mean, we shouldn't believe everything we read on the internet?? Since when??? Thanks Mr. Z, good to know. You failed to mention that after police named the suspect, the post misidentifying the shooter was deleted. " Oct 2, 17 9:51 PM

For example?" Oct 3, 17 10:02 AM

A specific example of an Muslim American who "does the shooting" where there was equal politicizing and "immediately propose a clampdown on immigration."

That's a rather broad stroke you've painted." Oct 3, 17 11:33 AM

I think the argument that there would be, or that it was used as an immediate clampdown on immigration, is pretty flimsy, especially given they were all citizens. Trump said on the campaign in a generic sense he would crackdown on terrorists, and I don't think any on those examples were used as impetus for the travel ban. The travel ban had absolutely nothing to do with shootings that had occurred in the US. But he DID comment on attacks in other countries in relation to the travel ban. Apples and oranges.

In fact Trump was criticized for his lack of specifics in the response when asked to respond to a question about how he would handle terrorist attacks in the country, two days after the San Bernardino, California massacre, which claimed 14 lives. Trump responded:

"You don't want to hear how I'd handle it," Trump said. "I would get myself in so much trouble with them, we are going to handle it so tough. And you know what we're going to do? We're going to get it stopped."

The mogul did not go into specifics, but he decried reports that concerns about the alleged shooters were not voiced due to political correctness.

"How about the person who knew what was going on said they didn't want to report them because they think it might be racial profiling, did you see that?" Trump said. "We have become so politically correct that we don't know what the hell we're doing."" Oct 3, 17 2:26 PM

The comment in 2015 was consistent with what he did when he became president. It was a travel ban from predominantly Islamic countries - the same countries Obama declared as high risk. The ban (temporary at that) was to do a deep dive on the screening practices from those countries. He confirmed shortly after the initial statement that the policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview. But year, Trump had a valid point in 2015 even. " Oct 3, 17 8:17 PM

Written in 2012, lol. Fortunately the SCOTUS know even more and have consistently stated such. " Oct 3, 17 11:13 PM

I don't think Mets fan is extreme right wing (whatever that is) but you have it half correct. " Oct 4, 17 7:38 PM

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791, as part of the first ten amendments contained in the Bill of Rights.[1][2][3][4] The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right belongs to individuals,[5][6] while also ruling that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices.[7] State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right per the incorporation of the Bill of Rights. Wiki
" Oct 4, 17 7:45 PM

Just another day on the job by the thin blue line oppressors and an individual subject to the law of the land. " Oct 4, 17 8:01 PM

I'll take my chances with the precedent of Cramer vs. the United States making Treason very difficult to prove... other than that Mr. Z, take it up with the Founding Fathers.

I'd suggest that IF we are defending against the Federal government, the Treason Clause is somewhat of a moot point. " Oct 4, 17 8:12 PM

I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.

~ Barack Obama
" Oct 5, 17 7:41 AM

I guess we should clarify.... what could be deemed meaningful executive action. That wasn't. Background checks online and at gun shows were already in place by current laws at the time. I know, because I've done both. Sales through the hobbyist angle was clarified to indicate they MAY actually be “engaged in the business” of selling firearms if they operate an online gun store, pass out business cards or frequently sell guns in their original packaging. Whether the mental health funding or even increase in agents took place, who knows, it was intended to be part of budget negotiations. " Oct 5, 17 8:09 AM

I long for the day when mass murders of all persuasion and size horse (high in this case) used other methods to carry out their deranged acts. Ahhh... the good old days.

"Eight brothers and sisters aged from 18-months to 15 years old have been found stabbed to death in a house in Australia, prompting the nation’s leader Tony Abbott to lament that “these are trying days for our country”". 12/19/14 Telegraph:" Oct 5, 17 6:50 PM

Of course not, merely acknowledging the problem exists with other instruments in other countries. Acknowledging the common factor is human, are you? When there's a bombing we blame the bomber. When there's a drink driver, we blame the driver. When there is mass murder by knife, we blame the stabber. Why when there is a shooting, do we blame the gun?" Oct 5, 17 8:29 PM

I bet you both were kneeling when you typed that.

El Salvador has the highest murder rate at 108 per thousand. And?

And so there it is! It will not end until the second amendment is repealed and all guns are confiscated and banned. We've gone from meaningful addressing the evil that occurred in LV to banning all guns. it's the Leftist ultimate goal ideologuely driven by the same people who demonize the police and don't mind if Iran gets ICBMs. among so many other things. " Oct 5, 17 8:44 PM

What are you suggesting that in your opinion would be considered not "enabling"?" Oct 5, 17 8:48 PM

Sick!" Oct 5, 17 8:51 PM

Might I suggest Mr. Z. an ACOG scope on the old blunderbuss.

Let me ask you the same question Mr. Z, Do YOU own semi automatic, or automatic weapons?" Oct 5, 17 8:56 PM

I see. Besides misclassifying civilian arms (semi-auto) as military (full auto) you prefer to diminish the rights of others.

You know absolutely NOTHING about me nor much of America.. but the answer is an emphatic.... yes, I do need them for my protection. But whether I need them or not is inconsequential to the discussion for it is my right to keep and bear and it isn't up to you or any other Leftist Progressive who want to send us back to the middle ages. " Oct 5, 17 10:52 PM

LOL, incorrect. I would hope the decay of society would most definitely change whether it be carnage in Chicago or in Las Vegas. " Oct 6, 17 9:33 AM

You do realize you only need a pair of pants to create the same thing a bump stock can do, right?

Then what? Confiscation? Talk about a slippery slope in the land of the free and home of the brave. " Oct 6, 17 9:39 AM

The decay of society and legislative action for the sake of action are two different things entirely. The latter will have little impact no matter what is passed. The lunatic fringe will always find a way and the law abiding majority will pay the price." Oct 6, 17 9:45 AM

Incorrect on all counts and you guessed wrong Z. You see, those "fancy" yet inconvenient definitions are what's used to classify arms. It's the reason the Obama ATF approved certain add-ons. And no, in most states no reason is needed for concealed carry permits. Courts this week in fact, DC specifically, threw out the concealed carry ban as a result of multiple constitutional losses*.

As to why I "need" weapons in my home? First off, none of you f'n business. But I will say, some people have professions other than IT and garbage man and you should not judge the world only through your peep hole.

D. C. will not appeal concealed carry gun ruling to Supreme Court
By Ann E. Marimow and Peter Jamison October 5 at 5:29 PM

" Oct 6, 17 10:17 AM

You can not legislate crazy. Mass murder continues even in Australia. Sure, if you can even ban soda, but no one except diabetics will be drinking it.

Evidence-driven legislation will show both sides and it will be debated a million ways to Sunday. Gun homicides have declined over the past couple decades.

Like it or not the Second Amendment remains and that's not emotive, it's constitutional and there are probably over 300 million guns include over 60 million AR style semi-automatic.

Instead, we must focus on core societal values while improving safeguards to the degree constitutionally able, but understand that needless deaths are the price we pay for living in a free society and no degree of legislation will ever eliminate that.


" Oct 6, 17 11:35 AM

Fore, you're citing a case that is complicated and BOTH sides reference it as a win. The gun in question, a sawed off shotgun, had not been shown to be "ordinary military equipment" that could "contribute to the common defense. In reality, shotguns WERE used during WWI with 30,000 and 40,000 short-barreled pump-action shotguns were purchased by the US Ordnance Department and saw service in the trenches and for guarding German prisoners. Whether the SCOTUS were aware of that or even considered it, who knows. According to the case, gun rights advocates would say since AR style weapons are defined by some as "military style" (right Z) it supports the second amendment constitutional rights and interpret it to state that ownership of weapons for efficiency or preservation of a well-regulated militia unit of the present day is specifically protected. And round and round we go.

The decay in society and "focus on core societal values" looks like what we don't see in many inner cities . You can walk it back from there. Far FAR more gun deaths occur through other means than outlier events.

Mets fan, go home. You're fired. " Oct 6, 17 12:47 PM

You're missing the point. Ban bump stocks to your hearts content, you don't need the part to get the same end result of rapid fire. All you need is a pair of pants, literally, for example. The physical act of producing a product is the byproduct of human mental ingenuity, plain and simple. In other words, give me an altered firearm and in minutes I'll have removed the altered part and give you the same result as had the altered part still been on the gun. The point: people will figure out a way and deranged people will act on it, no matter what. If it's not guns, it will be some other means." Oct 6, 17 3:17 PM

I would suggest the core values of the shining example of Australia and the US are much different and it's been years in the making getting to the decay of society we have. Decay rght down to BLM, kneeling during the anthem. general respect let alone respect for authority, the sanctity of life, and so on. " Oct 6, 17 3:20 PM

"The kneeling was protesting police brutality. You made it about disrespecting the flag." Um, seems it was for a country and the flag it represents.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Colin Kaepernick" Oct 8, 17 12:22 PM

"The kneeling was protesting police brutality. You made it about disrespecting the flag." Um, seems it was for a country and the flag it represents.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Colin Kaepernick" Oct 8, 17 12:22 PM

"which would be the point of hardware restrictions: to reduce the amount of damage a mass murderer can commit, not to prevent it from happening at all."

I don't think you're getting the point at all. You can restrict hardware add-ons all day long. The capacity to bump fire exits even without the hardware devices, with just as much efficiency. If the lunatic didn't have BF devices, what occurred could still still take place. " Oct 8, 17 12:32 PM

So, you're saying the President shouldn't receive Secret Service Protection?

Obama is estimated to have cost tax payers $20,000 per hole.

So what's your point other than seething hatred?" Oct 8, 17 1:54 PM

To be rich is not what you have in your bank account but what you have in your heart." Oct 8, 17 2:34 PM

What I'm saying is the President is entitle to Secret Service protection and this is nothing new. By law, Presidents are prohibited from paying for their own protection.

"For you to mention President Obama-- into whose pocket went not a single cent of the cost to protect him'

To that I say, WTF are you talking about?

" Oct 8, 17 3:48 PM

"Of course a president is entitled to SS protection."

Hard stop! Everything after that is pure emotional conjecture. Everything in your above post, is damn near a melt down!! Poor snowflakes. Gonna be a long eight years.






" Oct 8, 17 6:37 PM

I love it when the Left gets beat at their own game. PR stunt or not, he's entitled to express his opinion too.... you know.

I guess only over payed disrespecting prima donna NFL players and the like can express their opinion.

I salute you Mr. Vice President!!" Oct 8, 17 9:47 PM

Speaking of losing your grip....ahhh....never mind. " Oct 9, 17 8:50 PM

Current mood toward Constitutional Rights: high" Oct 16, 17 10:52 AM

What does any of that mean? It's the same old argument. We don't want to confiscate, we want to restrict. Oh, and if some Leftist that wants to confiscate is elected, we'll "restrict" the supplies at the "local precincts" - how very Soviet bread line. And assuming you can get ammo from the after standing in the bread line, if you don't obey the severe restrictions, THEN we'll confiscate. What part of "WILL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand? " Oct 16, 17 11:01 AM

The Second Amendment is not limited to guns; other forms of "arms" are in fact protected by the 2nd Amendment. However, none of our enumerated rights under the U.S. Constitution are "absolute" rights. The standard of legal review for a law that infringes on those rights is one that requires that such laws be the least-restrictive method to achieve a legitimate governmental purpose. And that's where we are today.

Ensuring the safety and security of the general population from people carrying or obtaining bazookas is a legitimate purpose, and placing licensing and other restrictions on who may obtain these items and how they can do so is considered to be a LEAST-RESTRICTIVE method. In fact, in the case of bazooka's for example, the denial of possession is likely also least-restrictive in the eyes of the law given the risk of the amount of damage that such weapons can cause." Oct 16, 17 11:14 AM

See post above on "absolute" rights and least-restrictive. " Oct 16, 17 11:16 AM

"if you think weapons on the scale of RPGs should be readily available for public consumption and destruction...that's just stupid."

That's NOT what I said. That's what you said. I stated RPGs ARE covered under the second amendment, but they are determined to not be absolute rights and are therefor subject to least-restrictive regulation. " Oct 16, 17 11:29 AM

Yes and no. All storms are different in how they impact the affected area. After Katrina for example, the method in which job growth figures were calculated by the BLS was changed. Effectively weighting and normalizing the figures to account for the storm.

Other storms like Sandy, was widely thought to have slowed U.S. job growth, fewer than 50,000* and far below the 171,000 created the previous month and generally a sign of a weak market. So no, Obama didn't weather the storms any better. Any growth was less than it should have been and that's NOT growth because it didn't even keep up with the number of people entering the labor market.

One might argue, the more severe the storm, the more growth you'll see in the future as rebuilding takes place. Stay tuned for a lot of growth!

*Job growth likely slowed by Superstorm Sandy, analysts say.By The Associated Press. December 07, 2012.

" Oct 16, 17 11:49 AM

Crimes are not acceptable nor should they be normal. That's for the violator to own. NOT the innocent.

Let's not forget the decision last week where DC will not appeal concealed carry gun ruling to Supreme Court. It was specifically not pursued fearing the loss at the Supreme Court would have wide spread concealed carry implications nationally. " Oct 16, 17 12:19 PM

Of course it does. The job statistics are done via surveys. When you can't get to a location, or contact business, or people.... you can't do.... anyone.... anyone?

Surveys!

Adjustments are usually done as numbers come available. We shall see. " Oct 16, 17 12:25 PM

Be careful what you ask for - redux... "evidence-based legislation."

The 2015 violent crime total was 0.7 percent lower than the 2011 level and 16.5 percent below the 2006 level according to FBI Uniform Crime Reporting. How many millions more guns do we have on the streets now than in 2006?
" Oct 16, 17 2:56 PM

Well foregone, I know that fits into a nice little emotional knee jerk reaction bundle for you, but by your own example, we're talking about evidence-based legislation that would restrict gun owner rights. Is mass murder not a violent crime? Does the evidence not potentially support a correlation to more guns and less violent crime? Even local84 injected a response other than mass murder." Oct 16, 17 3:23 PM

"Do you really want to compare gun deaths in places with less guns to gun deaths in places with more guns?"

Do you really want to compare gun deaths in places with less guns to gun deaths in places with more guns and have a Constitution that gives people the right to own them? First up, I submit the USA.... you're up!" Oct 16, 17 6:54 PM

4.2 percent unemployment, first time SEVENTEEN years. " Oct 16, 17 6:58 PM

SEVENTEEN YEARS!!!

Don't forget Obama's record number leaving the workforce... DOH!" Oct 16, 17 9:58 PM

Um.... they're criminals. They know a guy who knows a guy. If they want something bad enough.... they'll get it. It's what criminals do. And the police who the Right supports and the Left despises, will tell you that.

" Oct 16, 17 10:03 PM

"Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada"... they are legal to buy and possess in almost every state, if you want to pay the fees and taxes for a Class III license. And Mets fan, how you are suggesting this, like you can walk into walmart and simply buy one, is an out right LIE! You've been schooled on this before, so it must be lying intentional. " Oct 17, 17 7:57 AM

And Roof committed his despicable act with a handgun which he owned for months before. But just to keep things real, Roof probably should not have been sold the gun based on his recent drug arrest. The store can always deny the sale even if the background check doesn't come back within three days. Big stores like Walmart do it to avoid public criticism. Small stores don't have the flexibility in their bottom line, and every sale counts and that's what occurred. " Oct 17, 17 8:54 AM

"Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada"

In this example, you've singled out Nevada, implying that they are somehow above federal law. This combined with previous statements that you can buy automatic weapons at Walmart is a pattern... of LIES.

Good to go? HAHA... automatic weapons go for 15-20 thousand dollars and there is a tax/fee each year. What do automatic weapons have to do with Paddock? You see, your correlation of Nevada to Paddock again implies and confirms your original statement is at was intended.... A LIE... that Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada. Paddock did not have automaticuweapons. " Oct 17, 17 2:31 PM

Here we go (again), wanting to take guns away from police. Now where have we heard those opinions before? And the slippery slope gets more greased and steep.

The willful ignorance is astounding. Fortunately, your opinion doesn't mean squat and no one is seeking your approval. " Oct 18, 17 8:21 PM

HAHAHA... large dog AND firearms here and always will!

And FWIW, my firearms have NEVER killed a thing and they're rather peaceful on their own volition. Now, my dog ripped the head off a squirrel once. Please don't ban or confiscate my dog. " Oct 18, 17 8:27 PM

There go the "progressives" again. Yeah, and PRESIDENT Eisenhower deepened the cold war as a result.

That worked out well. " Oct 18, 17 9:51 PM

Donate it to the NRA or similar organization for education and awareness classes or turned over to local police to be responsibly disposed of. Further, some states have laws in place (NY for example via the SAFE Act) requiring certain actions like mandatory inventory of both firearms and accessories and mandatory reporting to police before they can be transferred. State law allows "indiscriminate" (please) transfer to immediate family. If they have a criminal history, they are ineligible. NOTHING is indiscriminate about it, that's part of responsible gun ownership.

" Oct 19, 17 8:08 AM

I see.

No relevant lucid response noted. " Oct 19, 17 9:43 AM

Mr. Z., since testimony that showed budget issues had nothing to do with security deficiencies in Benghazi was pointed out to you in May, one can only assume that repeated spewing of the same nonsense is an intentional LIE. The security decisions made and that were in place were on the ground operational decisions born by state department incompetence. Security upgrades were denied by State Department Officials.

It was further shown that no military response could have gotten to the site in time to stop the final assault that caused the deaths. " Oct 19, 17 10:04 AM

Mf, in review of the 2nd amendment, "need" is not addressed, let alone, WTF is the definition of a "stock pile"?

Here's a riddle for you Mf: Over 10 years, I buy 1000 rounds each year for target shooting. Do I or do I not have a "stock pile"?
" Oct 19, 17 2:09 PM

"what are you worried about".... this Mf...

People like YOU and Nancy Pelosi whose veiled discussion is really cover for total confiscation. You've even (re?)introduced guns being taken away from police.

"I would think trying to limit mass murder would be something you would be interested in, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you don't care who and how many get killed."

Mindless narrative you're spewing aside, sure I do. With some 52 million abortions, yeah, let's talk mass murder and who doesn't care. Maybe I'M wrong.

" Oct 20, 17 7:25 AM

Yeah, Vietnam and Korea were just peachy, and that pesky national debt thing just keeps on giving." Oct 20, 17 7:34 AM

Tell it to those who think the US is an oppressive, racist, bastion of deplorables in need of transformation. Mr. Z himself routinely argues this isn't the greatest country on earth. " Oct 20, 17 9:05 AM

"He easily assembled an arsenal, and skillfully navigated the law by spacing out his purchases, which suggests our current regime of regulations is insufficient to stop mass murder."

Deep disappointing sigh of frustration.... reminding you that Dylan Roof killed nine people with a hand gun and Adam Lanza never even bought a gun and mass murder is an act by the deranged using instruments of their choosing be it gun, car, knife or pick one. " Oct 20, 17 10:00 AM

Oh geez. And this is why Trump was elected. That very mentality. Yeah, well, the issue racism is certainly NOT systemic (just like mass shootings) and oppression is simply the battle cry of the social justice warriors. And stereotypically think what you will about your fellow citizenry, I'd suggest it's more a reflection on you, than them. " Oct 20, 17 10:11 AM

I rest my case. 1960/70's.... institutional oppression and racism today. Nope!

Down stream effects? Good Lord what an eternal victimhood mentality. Fine, take the 40 acres and a mule and be done with it." Oct 20, 17 2:37 PM

Because it involves former and at the time current government officials. At best, even the illusion of impropriety is unethical. At worst, it was pay for play with Bill earning a cool $500,000, requesting and meeting with Russian officials and opening up other lines for the Clinton Foundation while his very lovely Secretary of State wife had influence over the controversial uranium deal where there is now evidence that Russian nuclear officials were engaged in a massive bribery scheme." Oct 23, 17 9:54 AM

I believe SlimeAlive's reference was to the less-than-esteemed D-CA Maxine Water's threats. You asked for an example of a Democrat, you got it in Maxine Waters. " Oct 23, 17 10:06 AM

All government officials are taught from day one to avoid the illusion of impropriety for this very reason. It's that simple. Next you'll be suggesting Bill Clinton had crumpets and tea with Loretta Lynch when they met on the plane parked on the tarmac.

Waiting for proof? Good luck. The Clinton Crime Family are masters at remaining removed by one step. We do know investigations into the Clinton Foundation’s practices did find donations were not properly disclosed (what do you know?) specifically, those of Uranium One Chairman Ian Telfer between 2009 and 2012. I'm shocked. " Oct 23, 17 10:14 AM

And as reported by the Hill last week, the FBI obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former Bill and Hillary's "charitable foundation" during the time of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. You know, the same funds that coincidentally had disclosure issues.











served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill." Oct 23, 17 10:26 AM

Then you'll advocate for gun control when someone DOESN'T take it that way." Oct 23, 17 10:28 AM

Ahhh, yes.... data driven legislation. Riiight. " Oct 23, 17 10:49 AM

Again, skillfully removed no doubt, but we shall see. Sounds like the dots are slowly getting connected. You're either willfully ignorant, or woefully clueless if you think there will be a smoking gun. I suspect it's the latter.

LMAO. When did evidence ever matter?? The same could be said about the President and yet we've spent a year investigating "his campaign." Be careful what you ask for I suppose.... the chickens may come home to roost. " Oct 23, 17 10:57 AM

Oh, and this: "Beyond that, who cares if Russia gets uranium? Aren't they already nuclear-armed?"

We all should. They provide materials to make nuclear weapons to China and North Korea. " Oct 23, 17 11:00 AM

I'm merely stating the events as they've been reported. You may have viewed a copy of the original youtube post. But no, I don't think our media in general has any interest in protecting the Democratic party. According to Townhall, Maxine Waters Makes Threat She Will 'Take Trump Out' to Applause Timothy Meads Oct 22, 2017: "Kyle Olson of the American Mirror reported the statement on Friday, but Youtube pulled down the original video."

I'm saying that you're going to "take out" someone could be interpreted by some to do just that. Why is that so difficult to understand in this day and age?" Oct 23, 17 11:10 AM

Bring it. " Oct 23, 17 11:12 AM

HA...it's not the reasonable person we're concerned about.

Would I be screaming up and down, really, if it was an R? Please. When has someone holding a political office with an R behind there name made such an inflammatory statement? Democrats are known for them. "When they go high we'll go low." "Argue with your neighbors, get in their face". "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

We've seen examples of how those on the fringes of both the Left and Right take this crap seriously.


" Oct 23, 17 11:46 AM

Go Bless America, yes. But our institutions being without equal used to be the case and are being tested. We've seen of late real examples of corruption creeping into our institutions borderline the likes of banana republics.

James Comey drafting a letter exonerating Hillary Clinton before the investigation was complete, for example. The influence and lock step of the media with the Democratic Party and its political office holders, another. Weaponizing the IRS to be used against political enemies, yet another...." Oct 23, 17 11:54 AM

Bull****. Hey Fore, who's the mindless zombie?

"Mr. Christensen, 65, noted that despite assurances by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that uranium could not leave the country without Uranium One or ARMZ obtaining an export license — which they do not have — yellowcake from his property was routinely packed into drums and trucked off to a processing plant in Canada.

Asked about that, the commission confirmed that Uranium One has, in fact, shipped yellowcake to Canada even though it does not have an export license. Instead, the transport company doing the shipping, RSB Logistic Services, has the license."

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal. NYTimes By JO BECKER and MIKE McINTIREAPRIL 23, 2015


" Oct 23, 17 10:11 PM

"but it's similar enough to Waters' statement"

Not even close. It contains no dog whistles for the unhinged to take as marching orders, that is, unless they are God-like (other than their self absorbed beliefs about themselves)." Oct 23, 17 10:22 PM

For at least the third time which you seem to acknowledge and not acknowledge at the same time, it's NOT the reasoned we're concerned about and acts of God which Senator Perdue seemed to call upon, no man or woman can accomplish. Reasoned or not.

Making an inflammatory statement as Maxine Water (D-CA) appealing to ones base, many of which are (still) foaming at the mouth angry and unable to come to terms with the results of the election, is rather frightening and like holding a match to a powder keg." Oct 24, 17 7:17 AM

Incorrect Fore, I saw the Podesta news yesterday prior to my post last night, and while I have every belief the REAL collusion on Russia can be found with the last administration and the Clintons and as promising as the Podesta revelations may be (shocker huh?), as non-bi partisan as the investigators backgrounds appear to be, I simply hold little confidence that those who have violated the trust (and law?)of the public will be held accountable and that others will by nit picked for literally nothing." Oct 24, 17 7:28 AM

Yes, there are a lot of fools out there, and that's the point. " Oct 24, 17 7:36 AM

And, I have no ideas shat "same motive" are you referring to..." Oct 24, 17 7:47 AM

I wasn't referring to Mueller's public trust, but now that you mention it....

"but every person whose opinion matters thinks he's the right person for the job"

Bull. The Mueller investigation team is littered with Clinton and Obama donors, now totaling nine attorneys who have donated to Cinton/Obama. " Oct 24, 17 8:36 AM

Stellar is a matter of opinion, but no, giving the benefit of the doubt after all we've seen from the DoJ shenanigans is not a given. The investigators will have to prove themselves and the fact that after a year long investigation with no proof of collusion to Trump and carte blanche on investigation resources and time frame, it really does look like a witch hunt. I welcome Mr. Mueller to prove me wrong. " Oct 24, 17 9:38 AM

"I'm ready, able, and willing to accept the results of either investigation.

Are you?"

LOL... Then why did you ask?
" Oct 24, 17 10:36 AM

Of course - "others' ignorance." Very enlightening. Happy basking.

The rest of us will be closely watching the cast of accomplished Hillary and Obama donors, and even one who defended the Clinton Foundation in court hoping they are capable of some resemblance of impartiality. " Oct 24, 17 11:29 AM

"unfavorable news" and "fake news" becoming synonymous for some people sounds very similar to "keep us (educated and accomplished)" and "basking in others ignorance," now doesn't it. " Oct 24, 17 2:03 PM

Good fences make good neighbors.

I think you're incorrectly thinking that I'm assuming that being educated or accomplished would stop one from laughing at others idiocy. In fact, it provides necessary perspective when all one can do IS laugh at you for even thinking that. " Oct 25, 17 12:32 PM

Because the trucking company waits at or near the ports for the containers to be unloaded and cleared. Time is money and getting the product to market in the fastest means possible impacts the bottom line. In all likelihood the contracts are written to place the burden on the trucking company and releases the company for they don't know when the container will be released by Customs and Border Protection since the "big retailer" has no say in that process. " Oct 25, 17 12:41 PM

Sounds horrible, but it's not. Someone would have had to pay for those law suits and the only one who would have made any money on it was the trial attorneys. The rest would have gotten the obligatory coupons for discounted whatever, like most class action law suits. The statement from the White House is clear:

Congress stood “up for everyday consumers and community banks and credit unions, instead of the trial lawyers, who would have benefited the most from the CFPB’s uninformed and ineffective policy.”" Oct 25, 17 9:15 PM

But effective and point made none the less regardless of whether you are impressed or think it's fake news...no doubt it is unfavorable news which you don't seem to take too kindly to. " Oct 25, 17 9:21 PM

Zeldin Has Nearly $1.17 Million In Campaign War Chest

So many accusations against the President, yet not a shred of evidence let alone any wrong doing." Oct 25, 17 9:33 PM

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

No doubt. Or, it just went over your head. Afterall, it provides necessary perspective "to laugh at others' idiocy"." Oct 25, 17 10:32 PM

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman To Leave Independence Party, Join Democrats

"Trump is bought and paid for by the NRA."

Let's say it's true...just for discussion sake, so what? I can think of nothing more important than protecting Constitutional Rights. Now, if you disagree or dislike their policy, that's your problem. But, fact is, all politicians are "bought and paid for" by their policy stance darlings - and let's not even get started on the Clinton Foundation list of donors. " Oct 26, 17 8:11 AM

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

Sure is. The average payout of class action lawsuits is $32 according to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Arbitration works better for those who are truly aggrieved.

Class action lawsuits are costly with trial lawyers being the real winners. They get 33 1/3% while everyone else gets $32 in coupons....again, who do you think ultimately pays for that? Anyone? Anyone? Consumers!?! BING BING BING. " Oct 26, 17 8:25 AM

All that laughing "at others idiocy" has made you think you know what you don't really know. " Oct 26, 17 8:31 AM

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