You have asked that question numerous times of numerous posters. Testimony from more than one witness seems to indicate that SOME LEVEL of physical contact was initiated by Reister (I think you know that). What is the significance of your question? Do you believe ALL physical contact bears the same level of grievousness? How do YOU believe that affects what a proper verdict should be? " Dec 9, 09 4:10 PM
The statement regarding Oddone being confined at Riker's Island confuses me. Around the beginning of the trial Oddone had been transferred to the Nassau County jail to shorten the transport time each day - there was a problem when his lawyer said she had not been informed of that move until after the fact. Please clarify when Oddone was returned to Riker's - if that is indeed the case, or if he remains in Nassau when not in court." Dec 9, 09 4:17 PM
When you start with the words "hard truth" you should present the facts, not your (misinformed) opinions. You should not be inflating the weight of one party by fifty pounds or so. If you'd just read a LITTLE of the volumes printed, you'd see that not only was Reister wearing a shirt from the establishment, Oddone asked him if he worked there and cursed him out when the reply was affirmative. All he needed to do was get down from the table at that time - what any REASONABLE person would have done.
There would have been no incident requiring a "bucket of water" (as if they are kept in every corner like fire extinguishers). Do you really think someone disregarding being pulled at, punched at, and yelled at, even by his friends, and not releasing an unconcious man would really react to a shower or the music stopping?
Your disregard of the facts and your focus on irrelevancies like Reister's normal occupation and the noise level and atmosphere make me wonder what axe it is you have to grind. Are you at all familiar with the this business specifically or the bar/restaurant business in general? Do you believe that someone walking into a place like that is walking into a No Man's Land where the law of the jungle prevails? Why would a normal person think if someone "got on top of him he (Oddone) would be dead"? Where do you come from or where do you go that would justify that line of reasoning?
" Dec 10, 09 2:22 AM
Just to clarify the point (and paraphrasing) the "intent" required is not solely to cause death, but also can be to cause serious physical harm.
Would not a "reasonable man" understand that continuing to choke an unconcious man could cause that serious physical harm? That, I believe, is the reasoning behind the Murder 2 charge." Dec 11, 09 6:59 PM
It's very clear that you have an axe to grind with the DA's office and maybe the police. Maybe someone there, at some time, did something you deem unfair; maybe a judge or jury belteved them and not you. Maybe those actions or decisions caused you some personal difficulty. That may be relevant to you, but not to this case. You need to lay your prejudices aside and look at this case objectively and singularly.
Certainly the actions of Oddone could be construed to be consistent with any of the charges brought - that's why there's a jury. If there is a specific reason you believe any of the charges are inappropriate please enlighten us. Please try to make a case without the conspiracy theories.
" Dec 11, 09 10:28 PM
Why do you continue to overstate Reister's size by fifty pounds even though you've had this brought to your attention many times? And why would you state Reister assaulted a patron? That is a complete fabrication. There is no evidence and no testimony that indicated an assault by Reister." Dec 12, 09 3:41 PM
Or...politics has absolutely nothing to do with this. A guy gets out of hand, disregards requests to stop certain behavior, goes nuts and somebody dies, is charged with crimes, and a jury decides his fate. Or maybe it's all just politics." Dec 14, 09 12:11 AM
NO...it is NOT all about politics. It is about a man being killed.
Whatever problems YOU have had with the criminal justice system have warped your sense of values. This is not about you, not about politics, it is about a man's death and it is supremely selfish of you to continue to think otherwise." Dec 14, 09 1:42 PM
The property in Hampton Bays is wrong for a casino for so many reasons and recognition of the tribe will not, in itself, cause that property to become "reservation land" eligible to be developed on that manner as the Shinnecocks have not had continuous possession of that land.
The property is also way too small to be appropriately deveoped into a first class casino/hotel/entertainment center. On the other hand, the reservation itself is ten times the size of the Hampton Bays site and is beautifully situated on Shinnecock Bay with ample room for everything mentioned plus a marina and golf course. That would probably require the people to move - maybe to the HB location?
Regardless, it sure looks like a casino based development is in the cards for the Shinnecock nation and it would behoove the local and county governments to get on board before Aqueduct becomes the site and the city becomes the beneficiary of all the tax revenues. Calverton could certainly be a viable location with good road access and rail and air facilities possible, a huge amount of space available and Riverhead looking to utilize the space with nothing so far having come to fruition.
" Dec 15, 09 8:57 PM
Actually, I don't find casinos or big homes cheesy. What's cheesy are storage containers, trailers, and shacks lined up along Montauk Highway selling cigarettes. I wish the Shinnecocks had taken a cue from their upstate brethren and built a gas station or two. A lot more peole would be interested in tax free gasoline than cigarettes." Dec 15, 09 9:02 PM
In all the time a casino has been discussed I have never seen anything about purchased land being put in trust to bypass local land use regulations - do you have a reference?
And with the original Foxwoods property at 1200 acres and Mohegan Sun at 240 acres, 80 is awfully small to be a premier establishment. Golf not being needed might surprise those at Foxwoods where two 18 hole courses are in development. And with Shinnecock sovereignty, what entity would cause a marina to "never fly"?" Dec 15, 09 10:46 PM
Put that way, I do remember the procedure to locate a casino off tribal land, as I referred to Aqueduct but I think you take a huge leap thinking that would bypass local regulation.
With NYC 90 minutes away, a casino would most certainly be valuable as a complete destination. With a huge facility available why would anyone build it just for locals. Golf, entertainment, hotels, sporting events are a natural. There's plenty of money to be made half the distance from the Connecticut casinos or Atlantic City.
With regard to marine use, it would be interesting to see a test of exactly where sovereignty ends, Right now there are water areas posted as Shinnecock property. The baykeeper has no statutory power whatsoever." Dec 16, 09 1:51 AM
You got it ALMOST right, Jimmy. How about a NONpartisan agenda? Why not work in the best interests of the PEOPLE and ignore the dyed in the wool politicians, their parties, and their quids pro quo?" Jan 2, 10 6:16 PM
It is now time for you to change your name here to "Partyfirst".
Your attitude is what's wrong with local politics, you think that somehow there is a "party philosophy" that matters. What matters is that our elected officials represent "We the people", not any party of any stripe. I would surmise that you are one of those involved in party politics and you guys will never get the message." Jan 5, 10 7:09 PM
Alarmist! Do you really believe the eight million figure? Did you never hear of a bus? Do you think very many people drive alone to these facilities?
Do you really believe that a share of new revenue is worse than no new revenue? Did you think that maybe there are not a lot of projections because it is too premature to make them?
What is specific is the basis of your objection - care to share it?" Jan 5, 10 7:20 PM
How long until one of Quogue;s finest tailgates it and pulls it over?" Jan 12, 10 1:10 AM
A lot of you people have come late to the party. Do you really not remember that before Dockers fixed up the property there was a long standing (barely) marina at that location with a (no doubt leaky) gas pump and all? Pristine? Hah!" Feb 3, 10 10:30 PM
Shame? Not a bit, the truth is on my side. There are all kinds of laws regarding boats dumping their tanks, why would it matter where the boats tie up? It seems like you're living in a prime red herring habitat.
I never said it was a big marina, but the ramble-down docks accomodated more than the 16 boats in today's plan. I take it you don't like boats? Too bad for you - you shouldn't have become involved in a boating area. I suppose the gas tanks and pump that were right next to the launching ramp are a figment of my imagination, too? " Feb 4, 10 11:13 PM
Get a life, Nellie. Other than making the street available and providing some services, the village has nothing to do with the parade. The committee that runs the parade is a non-profit that has expenses to meet - that's what the funds are raised for.
That hundreds or thousands of people young and old appreciate this entertainment don't share your views should be considered before YOU decide what's right. We'll have to append the old "Everybody loves a parade" with "except that old fart Nellie"." Feb 22, 10 11:12 PM
Instead of repeating trite quotations why not deal directly with the claim? Tell us precisely how the Southampton Town Board can affect the immigration policies and enforcement of the United States government. That is the question at hand, not hiring halls, not code enforcement." Feb 22, 10 11:29 PM
Over 70 posts and none of you have a clue because you're all tied up in partisan politics on a national basis and for some ridiculous reason believe that the big parties should have something to do with local elections.
This town will continue to have lightweights in office if the only ones who can get elected are those foisted upon us by the Republicans and Democrats.
How about some intelligent, experienced business administrators getting the financial support needed to mount a campaign of viable candidates beholden to the people, not the parties? " Feb 28, 10 1:11 AM
Who's responsible for the headline here? "Return...back..."? Please!" Feb 28, 10 1:14 AM
"You're" an editor and you wrote "You're long link..."?
Shame on you!
Now please have the professionalism to leave this posted." Mar 10, 10 12:16 PM
There you go! If you heard it in the deli, it must be true." Mar 10, 10 10:20 PM
What a pretentious pile of poop! JT's was never a "dive pub" even if it might have had dark floors (like most of the multimillion dollar houses being built on the East End). Until the problems near its demise, JT's had consistently good food and good, friendly service.
Self-proclamations aside, these guys are going to have to work to become "the joy of the Hampton Bays community" and the attitude displayed here doesn't bode well for that, regardless of the enthusiastic posts by hanna and emily above. Hey look, each of them has never posted here before and each has said almost the same thing, but emily spells better! Quel surprise!" Mar 16, 10 12:25 AM
Forget the "feel good" attitude for a minute and tell us what possible legal reason the planning board would have to deny the application." Mar 23, 10 10:27 PM
Sounds like you have yours and no one else matters. There are very few career positions in these places, but they are viable places to employ the young, the old and those just needing some part time work to help make ends meet. Don't they matter at all?" Mar 25, 10 4:37 PM
Where the owner lives is relevant how?" Mar 25, 10 4:39 PM
The small business owner featured in the article "doesn't fear the opening of a new Staples". Why shoiuld you care? Too many "mom and pop" stores that get "squeezed out by big corporations" have lousy service and high prices. Choice is good." Mar 25, 10 4:46 PM
A negative impact? How? Please be specific instead of just making broad brush statements. Environment? They don't sell that much White-out. Traffic? Much more than the store it will replace? Quality of life? How so?" Mar 25, 10 4:51 PM
Castro is also a big baseball fan - better call off the season, Reality!" Mar 30, 10 12:38 AM
And your source is what? And we should belive you why?" Apr 2, 10 1:26 AM
"...in West Virginia..."
West Viginia? Marine Animal? Kind of shows where their collective head is at." Apr 10, 10 1:47 PM
Sounds like a pretty tough little whale to me. Four days - no food. Thrashed by waves for four days. Half a dozen or more tranquilizers over 48 hours. Surrounded by idiots for half a week. High powered rifle shots (an earlier report said three shots).
Tell me again how terrible it would have been to pull it off the beach the first day." Apr 10, 10 1:52 PM
The story in Newsday (the daily tabloid to the west to at least one poster even though it's on store shelves in Montauk and home delivered all over the east end) ran two pages but was quite thin in some information. It indicated those on the scene reported an assessment to those at the conference in West Virginia (why there?) who made the decision that death was the only viable outcome.
What it didn't say was WHO was on the scene, WHAT were their credentials? WHY they made some apparent errors in the age and developmental stage of the animal? WHEN would more qualified personnel have been available to make a better assessment? WHERE do we go from here? Is it just going to be business as usual?" Apr 14, 10 12:03 AM
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