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Southampton Village Proposes Pile Driving Restrictions

Sure, let's not disturb those part-timers and daytrippers when we can put all the burden on those who live here all the time." Mar 24, 11 12:36 PM

Census Shows Soaring Increase in Latino Population On East End

Documentation, or lack of same, is not considered in the enumeration process so why would one "know the census misses many of them"?" Mar 31, 11 10:33 PM

"...wide scale identity theft of SSNs and document fraud."

You have facts about this or is this just another thing that "a reasonable person would determine"? There is no requirement to "document" anything or anyone in the census process and the specific results are sealed for 75 years. Only statistical data is reported before that time. (Cite: the same code you show above).

Perhaps all your "illegals" don't share your paranoia." Apr 1, 11 8:03 PM

Sorry, Cap, you're just waffling now. Last things first - your new question about "illegals" determining districting and funding is a question for another place (or a constitutional convention) and not something I addressed, so why question me?

As the poster claiming theft and fraud it is YOUR responsibility to make the citation, not mine to Google - and a single "ring raided" hardly translates to anything akin to "wide scale". Why must everything be couched in such alarmist rhetoric?

FDR's possible abuse (were the codes the same in 1943?) of census data over 60 years ago is totally irrelevant to today's matter at hand.

And, no Cap, I'm not crazy just because I disagree with you and your narrow point of view. I know for a fact based on personal experience that on Long Island if a house was occupied, it was enumerated. What's your (and Reality's) grounds for denying that other than your subversion of the "reasonable man " theory?" Apr 2, 11 11:48 PM

"Hispanic" or "Latino" is not a race identified by the census but rather a subgroup. Therefore most identifying themselves as of Hispanic or Latino origin have also identified themselves as white, or black, or some other race. The footnote beneath the chart in the print edition explains this." Apr 3, 11 4:15 PM

Argue all you like, but "Hispanic" is not a race and is not identified as a race by the Census Bureau. Respondents to the census may identify themselves as Hispanic in addition to their racial identity. " Apr 3, 11 10:56 PM

"It doesn't have to make sense..."

That, I see, is your modus operandi here. You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Your ignorance overwhelms.

To state that "applications for employment" even ask about race, much less offer Hispanic as a choice is preposterous and strips you of the slightest bit of credibility some may have still ascribed to you." Apr 4, 11 11:34 PM

From the Office of Management and Budget (the agency charged with determining government standards:

"SUMMARY: By this Notice, OMB is announcing its decision concerning the revision of Statistical Policy Directive No. 15, Race and Ethnic Standards for Federal Statistics and Administrative Reporting. OMB is accepting the recommendations of the Interagency Committee for the Review of the Racial and Ethnic Standards with the following two modifications: (1) the Asian or Pacific Islander category will be separated into two categories -- "Asian" and "Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander," and (2) the term "Hispanic" will be changed to "Hispanic or Latino."

The revised standards will have five minimum categories for data on race: American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Black or African American, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and White. There will be two categories for data on ethnicity: "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino."

Additionally, companies with 15 or more employees are required to compile data of the racial distribution of employment applicants but the EEOC recommends that such information be kept separate from the actual application." Apr 5, 11 5:12 PM

Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst Delivers State Of The Town Address

Well of course they "FAIL" to stop burglars and violent criminals in the course of their illicit actions. As stupid as the average criminal may be, very, very few are so mentally challenged that they will ply their trade in the presence of the constabulary. Is there a police department anywhere with that kind of clairvoyance? Perhaps we should have a "cop on every corner"...but then we'd have to pay them all, wouldn't we?

I don't want to vote on a cop's salary, or a dogcatcher's, or a building inspector, or a town hall clerk's. We elect and pay people to do that. If you don't like how that's working out, get someone else in the job. I'm sure the resident partisan hacks here will tell you who's available." Apr 8, 11 1:20 AM

Town Police Chief Appointment May Be Clouded By Politics

"Paying one's dues" may be the right thing for the individual but may very well not serve the best interests of the Town. After too many years of the PD being run by a man in a cave who disregarded the instructions of HIS superiors (the board) it is probably time to conduct a search for a professional who can get the job done, do it economically, and most importantly, gain the respect and cooperation of the employees." Apr 14, 11 11:38 AM

Town Changes Leaf Pick-Up Program Again

"...the only way of disposing of them is hiring someone to pick them up or taking them to the dump yourself which is not in easy task for those without a truck."


Wrong, wrong, wrong...and with a name like "Nature" you should know better. Leaves can be mulched right back into the lawn as easily as mowing or they can be put in a mulch pile on the property. No special machinery, no truck, no bags, no problem.

" Apr 14, 11 11:45 AM

"You can't always get what you want." - Sir Michael Phillip Jagger, 1969" Apr 15, 11 1:29 PM

Town Police Chief Appointment May Be Clouded By Politics

Well, Z, you were probably being facetious but there are places on line to advertise just this type of job opening. A quick google shows indeed.com has 483 police chief openings listed today. There are also magazines devoted to police work that accept advertising. I suppose it boils down to how professionally we want the town board to approach filling the vacancy, or are we willing to accept "business as usual"?" Apr 20, 11 12:51 AM

The major flaw in your argument is that there is some sort of "entitlement" to a position due to years on the job, how neat his desk is, or how how he shines his shoes. Or maybe you're really talking about his political connections?

How would anyone know "he is the only person that is the right person for the job" unless a search is advertised to bring in a wide spectrum of applicants. This is a very well paid position we're looking to fill and a properly conducted search would bring in dozens, if not hundreds, of extremely well-qualified people. We need to look outside the area as well as in our own backyard. Only then will we know who is best qualified. " Apr 23, 11 2:06 PM

Southampton Town Board Appoints Wilson As Police Chief

Why do so many here think the best person for the job was to be found within 15 miles of Town Hall? There's a big country out there with a lot of highly educated, highly experienced police professionals who could have brought a lot to the table.

If civil service regulations really require such a limited search (reports show differences of opinion on that) it's time to change those regulations so the next time this slot needs to be filled it can be filled by the best man or woman available." Apr 30, 11 12:33 AM

"...uniformed police officers should NEVER be permitted at meetings..."

Please let us know which other constitutionally guaranteed rights the cops should be excluded from." May 4, 11 8:20 PM

You are quickly losing credibility and respect, Hat. The Belch case refers to an officer, ON DUTY, in uniform, making statements in a TELEVISION INTERVIEW regarding a political election where it was determined there was an appearance of his acting in an official capacity. Belch does NOT equate to off-duty officers expressing their opinions while wearing the uniform at a public meeting.

If you are simply going to cite cases giving the impression they back up your viewpoint and ridiculous claims of fascism, you'll have to find a different audience.

From the decision :"[W]e do not believe that Standard 4.4, prohibiting officers from making public statements when acting as departmental representatives, is directed at expressions of opinions by officers in their capacities as private citizens..."

HighHatSize: FAIL!" May 5, 11 12:16 PM

Southampton Town Board To Consider Most Expensive CPF Purchase In History

A more complete job of reporting would have included whether the development rights are intact and the assessment for this property. How much tax revenue stands to be lost is very pertinent to an informed opinion." May 23, 11 8:18 PM

And I believe you are wrong on #4, the points I raised. If the development rights have been sold there would be a redundancy in this purchase. If the rights are intact, the taxation is based not only on today's agricultural use, but also the land's substantial value for potential future development. There is no direct correlation between development rights and partial subdivision." May 24, 11 12:13 AM

I'll agree and disagree. Your first point is correct - I misread the article and assumed the CPF was purchasing the property (as is more often the case) and not just the development rights. It appears the current owners will keep title to the property with its use to be limited to agriculture.

The basis for my claim that taxation is based on future development potential is described in the very first paragraph of the document to which you link:

"In New York State, almost all property is assessed locally by assessors who are appointed or elected at the municipal level. The assessor's first step in assessing property is to determine the market value of the property. Market value is the price most people would pay for a property in its current condition."

It's true that there may be certain exemptions for working farms; but while they may somewhat reduce the tax burden, they do not negate the "market value" standard. With the development rights now being removed the land can now only be taxed at an agricultural rate. Which takes me back to my original question: How much less tax revenue will be produced annually after the CPF purchase of development rights? And while we're at it, does anyone care to speculate on the market value in today's market?" May 24, 11 3:12 AM

The current condition is what determines "market value" - what someone is willing to pay - the development value is not decreased by the fact that someone is growing pumpkins there unless that becomes the only permitted use.

The agricultural codes do not negate the higher standard of market value. Market value will be substantially reduced when the development rights are eliminated as will the taxes.

C.Law, above has estimated market value at about half a million per acre and says current taxation is only about five dollars an acre which is totally inconsistent with the assessment manual's opening paragraph. This is a legitimate question for the writer of the piece - what's the tax now, what is it after the deal is done?" May 25, 11 10:10 PM

First, thanks to CD for doing what I asked be included in the article by the writer. The figures from the tax roll have a gap of about $250,000 (3.243-1.569=1.674) but I'm surprised that the agricultural exemption is about half the assessment.

Because we don't have the actual market value (but that should be reflected in the assessment figures CD supplies) or the tax rates we cannot determine from this information what the effect on tax revenue will be. I believe a reporter should be able to get this information.

To "Nature": I certainly can admit a mistake (see above, look for "misread" and "assumed"), can you? The state says taxes are to be based on "market value" which is precisely what a property "would sell for on the open market". There is definitely an agricultural exemption in place that appears to reduce the taxes by about half. Would this proposed purchase reduce them further? I'd like to find out, hence my question in my first post here" "How much tax revenue stands to be lost is very pertinent to an informed opinion."

And as you said, Nature, "...we are discussing what the property is taxed at." now, and in the future.

" May 26, 11 12:23 PM

Thiele Co-sponsors Bill Against Selling Of Unbranded Gasoline

Is it just me, or does the headline contradict the story?" May 27, 11 6:01 PM

Bishop Explains Vote Against Debt Ceiling Increase

"Get the government off the backs of business by lowering corporate tax rates"

CAUTION: TRICK QUESTIONS AHEAD!

Exactly how much less do you think companies like General Electric SHOULD be paying?

And how many new jobs have companies in GE's situation provided in the last ten years?" Jun 2, 11 12:04 PM

Southampton Town Board Rejects Tuckahoe PDD Proposal

"...just b uild a 10000 sq feet little supermarket
that will work and be very hamptony.."(sic)

By "very hamptony" I assume you mean astronomically expensive because the business model for supermarkets, having less than a 3% profit margin, requires volume which requires space.

" Jun 2, 11 12:09 PM

Town Looks To Take First Step To Regulate Wastewater

Can't wait to see the public hearing on this one. Perhaps the Town can borrow the EH airport after the concert to accomodate everyone who might object to the inherent expense in this program. (Which I don't see mentioned here)." Jun 3, 11 10:23 PM

Congratulations. But would it "pass" the new standards that would be given the power of law by these new regulations?

How much did Norsic charge for the inspection and were there chemical tests done to determine the nitrogen output? How high is it above the water table or from tidal waters (doesn't seem to matter to this new regulation)?

We've already seen people post here that septic systems and cesspools, seemingly withut exception, are "deadly" and "dangerous and polluting". It makes you wonder how they deal with their household waste; maybe we could learn something about waste disposal...or hypocrisy." Jun 4, 11 3:26 PM

Nuzzi Declines Republican Nomination For Supervisor

That's because serving two masters is impossible. Let these candidates decide if they want to satisfy their parties or the people of the town - can't have it both ways." Jun 7, 11 10:25 AM

Southampton Village Hires Specialized EMT For Bidens' Visit

Congrats to you, but not everyone is cut out to be small business owners or work in the service industry. Maybe (just maybe) if the Gabreski Park thing works there will be some higher paying jobs there; but that is not enough.

People need a mix of jobs and they certainly need to make more than the service industry pays to afford rent here, if not enough to buy a house. How many of YOUR employees can afford decent housing even with a working spouse? What will your kids do for work? Where will they live?

Mine are in Brooklyn and New Jersey because that's where the jobs are, not because they don't want to be here." Jun 7, 11 11:26 AM

Thiele Co-sponsors Bill Against Selling Of Unbranded Gasoline

Uhh, it's not fixed. The bill would promote the sale of unbranded gas - it is not "...Against Selling Of Unbranded Gasoline."" Jun 9, 11 11:23 PM

Alrighty then...now why doesn't Fred or anybody in Albany sponsor a bill that would set all gasoline taxes, including sales tax, to a fixed per gallon charge rather than a percentage of the sales price? Could it be that while talking the good talk, the politicos really like the revenue that rises as the gas prices do?" Jun 10, 11 7:37 PM

Looks like nobody cares anyway..." Jun 18, 11 1:03 AM

Twelve Drug Arrests In Hampton Bays Over Fourth of July Weekend

Tiana Beach, the site of most of these alleged crimes, is a valuable public resource - why should it be closed?" Jul 5, 11 3:00 PM

Tom Corrigan Of East Quogue Loses Fight With Leukemia

You fought the good fight, did not go gentle into that good night. Now is the time to rest. In peace. You'll be missed, but remembered fondly." Jul 5, 11 3:16 PM

Emotions Run High At Town Hall Meeting On Noyac Bay Avenue Parking Restrictions

If there is no legitimate TRAFFIC RELATED issue, there should be no parking restrictions, as apparently there are nowhere else in the town, with the exception of a single location which only restricts parking to beach sticker holders. It appears that the board made a mistake in imposing these restrictions and is correct in rolling them back.

I question why Nuzzi is so reluctant to right this wrong or if he is just using this for a cheap politically inspired opportunity to take another shot at the supervisor. What is the link between Nuzzi and this group of land grabbers?" Jul 13, 11 12:04 PM

Town Board Will Hold Hearing Tuesday On New Energy Efficient Building Standards

I think it's a fantastic idea to build houses that will operate more efficiently. I also think it is extremely ridiculous for the town board to mandate such standards. The state and federal governments already regulate building standards; the county regulates sanitary requirements. The town needs to focus on running their operations, not creating more operations to be administered.

No one on the board, to my knowledge, has any expertise in this field and their research time can better be spent on those tasks the town is already underperforming. This certainly appears to be certain board members pandering to the few at the expense of the many. The town is not in the energy business; the board has no mandate for energy efficiency. If these standards will truly save people money then they will be self-promoting and most important, will cost the taxpayers nothing." Jul 23, 11 12:14 PM

Disagree. First, the story doesn't say who introduced the resolution or called for the hearing - I'd like to know. Second, I don't believe the supervisor or anyone else on the board desires to control my life, but I do believe they are all looking to get as many points as possible by pandering to any vocal minority at the expense of the rest of us. Whatever happened with that banned parking in Noyac?" Jul 24, 11 4:40 PM

Police Chief: Officers Had Probable Cause To File DWI Charges In East Quogue Fatality

Your familiarity with the law is on a par with your familiarity with the English language." Jul 25, 11 2:52 AM

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