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'Interdependence Day' Walk In Sag Harbor To Protest Treatment Of Immigrants

I wonder if anyone has ever debated the ethics of, or has even heard of, El Programa Frontera Sur?

The Obama administration was largely responsible for the implementation of what in essence was a -zero-tolerance immigration policy on July 7, 2014 known as the “El Programa Frontera Sur” aimed at alleviating the repercussions of DACA’s effect on mass immigration of unaccompanied children across the US-Mexico border, with upwards 39,000 children being placed in detention centers at the time. Ironically, on that same July 7, 2014 date, Obama requested $3.7 billion in emergency immigration funds from Congress.

The Obama administration “encouraged” Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto through US funding and political pressure to implement what was named “El Programa Frontera Sur” (Southern Border Program). The program was designed to reduce the Obama administration’s transparency and potential for public fallout by paying/funding another country to do the dirty work of keeping women and children from ever reaching the US-Mexico border, and keeping the news of such a humanitarian crisis from ever reaching the American public, with the American public focused on the US-Mexico border crisis, and not what was going on at Mexico’s southern border. The program was designed to turn Central American immigrants around, dead in their tracks, to deny and/or discourage asylum for refugees, and to displace our nation’s legal and moral obligations, by outsourcing refoulement and paying México to do our enforcement work.

The year following the program’s implementation, US-Mexico border apprehensions dropped 57% to 70,400, and the apprehensions of Central American migrants in Mexico rose a staggering 75% to nearly 93,000.

Perhaps a well researched and fact-checked news-piece on El Programa Frontera Sur would shed light on the previous administration’s hidden immigration policy/agenda, and illustrate the hypocrisy of Democrats in opposition to Trump’s immigration policy. The only difference is that Trump isn’t hiding behind behind the smokescreen of paying another country to do his dirty work, and has addressed the immigration crisis head-on, taking full responsibility for his actions.
" Jul 1, 18 8:44 AM

It is beneficial and it is preferable. " Jul 1, 18 10:33 AM

Fred, So you’re saying it was implemented by Mexico? More accurately, it was implemented by Mexico under the auspices of the Obama administration in order to skirt controversial legislative/democratic processes and/or public scrutiny. The objective was to remain both silent and invisible, with Mexico being the puppet host or piñata about to take a stick. The program was largely drafted and funded by the US. The DOD and DOS spent $89 million setting up the biometric data sharing with DHS, the DOD spent another $79 million setting up the telecoms, and another $200 million was allocated during the first fiscal year.

So yes, it was implemented by Mexico, and no, It’s not another “everything is Obama’s fault”.

And the point you ask? My answer to that would most likely be pointless...
" Jul 2, 18 6:30 PM

No, I'm not.

According to Article 109 of Mexico’s “Ley de Migración”, minors who are accompanied can be detained alongside their parents in detention centres in order to “preserve the family unit”.

Family separation protections appliy when members of the family unit have been apprehended and detained for illegal entry. " Jul 2, 18 8:49 PM

Thank you for calling me out on that one Fore1. I retract my accusation of hypocrisy based on there being no double standard with regards to separation of the family unit, however, all other things being equal. " Jul 3, 18 8:26 AM

Slime, most of the articles from Mexico’s General Law of Population which you posted have since been discarded and reformed in 2011 to align more closely with US immigration laws and policy. Illegal entry has since been decriminalized." Jul 3, 18 12:07 PM



I did do my homework both in undergraduate/graduate level statistic coursework and disagree entirely with your claims about taxes paid. ITEP utilizes mostly “assumptions” rather than fact based statistics which are listed in their indices in arriving at the figure of $11.73 billion. Any sophomore level statistic major and/or someone with half-a-brain could easily invalidate ITEP’s claim based on the assumptions used. People do believe what they read though. Assumptions provide “no validity” and there is “no way” to even remotely quantify the taxes paid by undocumented workers due to data exchange/privacy regulations between DHS and SSA. State tax departments do not have information exchange/data sharing privileges with DHS either.

Rather than assumption based money-into the system, perhaps the focus should be on fact-based money-out of the system in the form of remittances by migrants. A remittance is money sent by a migrant worker to their home country. In 2016 total annual remittances from the US were $138 billion. Annual remittances to Latin America (including the Caribbean) topped $74 billion in 2016 according to the World Bank. Remittance data reported by the World Bank only includes money or assets sent via formal channels such as banks, so the actual numbers are largely understated.

I got a chuckle looking at Fred's reply below..." Jul 4, 18 10:40 AM

Zeldin And Gershon Come Out Punching In First Days Of Congressional Campaign

Immigration, invasion, or mass exodus?

In 2007 the Salvadoran migrant population in the US was nearly 19% of El Salvador’s entire population. In 2007 there were 1.1 million Salvadoran migrants in the US. In 2007 The population in El Salvador was 5.7 million.

In 2016 the Honduran migrant population in the US was nearly 10% of Honduras’ entire population. In 2016 there were 950K Honduran migrants in the US. In 2016 the population in Honduras was 9.1 million.

In 2016 the Guatemalan migrant population in the US was nearly 8% of Honduras’ entire population. In 2016 there were 1.3 million Guatemalan migrants in the US. In 2016 the population in Guatemala was 15.6 million.

In 2014 the Mexican migrant population in the US was nearly 9.5 % of Mexico’s entire population. In 2014 there were 11.7 million Mexican migrants in the US. In 2014 the population in Mexico was 124 million.

The above numbers don’t account for migrants’ birthright citizen children.

If immigration laws are not enforced or are too lax, entire nations might just become entirely uninhabited through mass exodus, so let’s just abolish ICE, have open borders, provide amnesty to all, and let things take their natural course until reaching an equilibrium point. Immigration should eventually just play itself out once an entire nation’s population makes it across the border! " Jul 7, 18 11:59 PM

Agreed, they shouldn't be accounted for because they are citizens and not immigrants, however, at a conservative 4.2 million plus, they do impose a fiscal burden on taxpayers for services received. " Jul 9, 18 5:26 PM

Zeldin Weighs In On Trump's Remarks At Helsinki Summit

I personally don't think the public stage combined with the show-biz-like atmosphere at Helsinki's joint press conference was neither the time nor place for comment by POTUS on Russia's alleged meddling, whether it be denying it ever happened or calling Putin out on it. If Trump were to have publicly called Putin out on Russia's meddling/interference, it could potentially de-legitimitize his electoral win and presidency. Foreign electoral intervention, whether it be covert or overt, is both common and expected amongst adversaries, and to think otherwise would be naive. Putin would be a lousy statesman if Russia didn't meddle in some capacity. Are we not forgetting the US role and influence in the '96 Russian elections? " Jul 22, 18 6:10 AM

Fred, I did make mention of both covert and overt interference, and agree with you that the '96 election interference was both complicit and overt, with possible covert contingencies had it gone the other direction. I'd also have to agree with you that Trump's election was in fact bolstered by Putin and that is probably why Trump didn't publicly call him out on it, because it would de-legitimitize his electoral win to a degree. I didn't understand the irony comment in your post. Was that in response to Even Flow's comment? Is EF accusing us of collusion on the matter?" Jul 22, 18 8:09 AM

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

The denial of science and scientific fact as stated by Gershon: Trump never denied science and/or scientific fact. What he really questioned and/or denied was the statistical validity and assumptions with regards to man-made global warming studies. Statistics is the science of both number and audience “manipulation”, with political audiences being by far the easiest to manipulate. Trump’s policies related to global warming were not based on his own original thoughts and/or ideas, rather, they were the result of extensive in-depth works by the Heritage Foundation prior to Trump taking office which were later adopted by his administration. Although Trump’s policy on and denial of man-made global warming “seemingly appear” to be in conflict with the scientific studies, an article entitled “The State of Climate Science: No Justification for Extreme Policies” may provide insight as to how and why our current administration’s policy on the matter came into play. It’s a good read whether you agree or disagree with it, but hey, the methane from dinosaur farts increased global warming during the Mesozoic period.." Jul 27, 18 6:27 PM

Demonization of Immigrants as stated by Gershon: Last time I checked, the legally accepted terminology as per the United Stares Code is “illegal alien” and not “immigrant”. That’s all I’ll say about that..." Jul 27, 18 6:29 PM

The only point that I remotely agree with Gershon in the article is the parallel he draws between Trump's denouncing what are generally accepted partisan bias' in the media/fake news, and the Nazis' use of the expression Lügenpresse. The Nazis expression "Lügenpresse" or "lying press" was used as propaganda against Jews, communists, and the enemy press, however, both Trump and the Nazis also shared other similar words and expressions such as "Hello", "How are you", "I am well", "...and you?", not to mention Volkswagen too. Does this imply a parallel as well?

Interestingly enough the US also had similar policies/laws which criminalized the use of opposing party propaganda, speech, and opinion under both the Sedition Acts of 1798 & 1918. " Jul 28, 18 8:30 AM

Fore, the increase in total public debt outstanding since Trump took office to date is $1.35 trillion. In 8 years under Obama the increase was $9.32 trillion, nearly doubling the total public debt outstanding. If averaged out, Trump is running almost $400 billion less than Obama. I'm not so certain about ballooning to unheard levels as stated by Mr Z. Figures are from the US Department of Treasury." Jul 28, 18 8:53 AM

Highhat,

Thanks for calling me out on this. I’ll be the first to walk back a comment and admit when I’m wrong when presented with a valid argument, and might even be inclined to change my opinion given the strength of one’s argument, although your references alone would not change my opinion, you could have done a better job to discredit my statements and/or sway my opinions.

With Trump’s lack of having a science advisor combined with his earlier proposed budget cuts for research agencies including NASA, NOAA, and others, all of which “did” receive their required funding (and then some) as a result of Congress’ bipartisan efforts (which Trump did sign off on), one would have to ask themselves the question, were Trump’s proposed cutbacks denial of science or were they aimed at addressing government waste at the expense of the scientific community and the inhabitants of Planet Earth?

Let me throw in a tweet by Trump from 2014:

This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bu..hit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice
7:39 PM · Jan 1, 2014

There are in excess of 100 tweets/retweet’s by Trump on global warming/climate change with similar language. You can find many of them in the following article: “Donald Trump has tweeted climate change skepticism 115 times. Here's all of it.” (Dylan Matthews, June 1, 2017)

Given the content of “Trump’s tweets alone”, I would walk back my statement that Trump didn’t deny science and/or scientific fact.....however...

Now for the however part...
It appears that you did take the time to look at the article found at the Heritage Foundation. What’s your take on Judith Curry’s House testimony? Let me refresh you by providing a statement from her testimony:
“I was at a small meeting of NASA-affiliated scientists and was told by our top manager that he was told by his NASA boss that we should not try to publish papers contrary to the current global warming claims, because he (the NASA boss) would then have a headache countering the ‘undesirable’ publicity."

I know Curry is only one of the three-percenters who opposes the overwhelming scientific consensus, but her testimony was a bit discrediting to one of the top climate-change research agencies.

I might wish to include a press release by the House Committee on Science, Space, & Technology entitled “Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records” dated Feb 5, 2017. According to the HCSST, NOAA altered historic climate change data making the “climate change hiatus” period disappear from the charts. The “climate change hiatus” allegedly occurred between 1998 and 2013 whereby the rate of global temperature growth slowed. A majority of Trump’s tweets about global warming/climate change occurred both during and immediately following the above mentioned period. The claim was that the hiatus was wiped off the charts by altering data in order to support the previous administration’s climate change agenda, however, most news sources would refute the climate change hiatus. Trump did make mention in his earlier tweets about the cooking of data to support the previous administration’s political agenda. There does however seem to be a debate over the mere existence of the climate change hiatus. The timing of the press release seems to coincide with Trump’s promise to drain the swamp during his first weeks in office and cutting government waste. Once again, it is a bit discrediting to yet another top climate-change research agency.

I’ve read through some of the House Science testimonies provided by "scientists" and not "journalists" or "tweeters", yet as with anything that lacks exacting empirical evidence, especially in a political forum with agendas at stake, I'm certain that much of the testimony is partisan biased/skewed and that speakers were cherry picked as well, similar to the concept of media-framing. Anthropogenic effects on climate change are theory, theory with extremely high probability, yet the degree or extent of which is lacking in empirical evidence, thus anthropogenic effects on climate change are not quantifiable. I believe it is better to err on the side of caution rather than to deny the issue, so pulling out of the Paris Agreement probably wasn’t the smartest move. Speaking of smart, I did watch the Piers Morgan interview, and Trump, with no disrespect intended, did appear dumber than a box of rocks on the issue of climate change. Don’t let your head swell highhat!

And one final note: Given my background and education in the sciences, and owning a business which is strictly regulated by the EPA, Ozone Transport Commission, and other governmental regulatory agencies, with disregard to any financial benefits I might gain as a result of deregulation, I have been and will continue to be an avid contributor to lobbying efforts in order to see-to-it that necessary funding to scientific research groups and regulatory agencies is met in order to preserve the environment and Planet Earth for future generations to enjoy (that includes the Polar Bears too)." Jul 29, 18 11:51 AM

Whoever is President of this nation, whether past, present, or future, I would wish and hope for the highest GDP possible, and would also wish and hope that both our leadership and nation succeeds in doing so. I feel that many would rather see failure just to prove a point, which is to say the least, pointless, because then we all lose." Jul 30, 18 1:34 PM

Peter Marino Announces Purchase Of Former Rogers Memorial Library Building And Intent To Open Museum There

Haha...Mr Slave! He’s actually always dressed like that. Glad they chose a photo with the cap on. He has a Mohawk hairdo underneath the cap, or at least he did. I used to work with guy, and he does some absolutely top notch stuff. " Jul 30, 18 3:33 PM

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

It probably would have been easier to just say that Trump’s only denial of science is the science fiction fabricated by liberal alarmists, with the solution being setting all liberal alarmists adrift on an ice floe so they can collectively monitor the sea ice melt as they slowly sink into the warming ocean, but the again “His”character is not mine, and I’m neither a Low-Low or dishonest causist....without denial of what is taken for accepted, science would not exist." Jul 31, 18 1:15 PM

East Hampton Raid Finds 32 Residents In Four-Bedroom House

Are you certain it wasn’t Ross School dormitory housing? Wrong article. That was back in 2015 with the two controversial newly built 8 bedroom houses in Springs, all of which had legal egress and carbon monoxide/smoke detectors. At least the Town of East Hampton doesn’t discriminate. I think the article stated that all 32 occupants were legal residents???

And how do raids on Citarella relate to the article?
Since the topic was addressed, ICE ‘s current trend has been to ramp up its I-9 audits and investigations targeting businesses along with criminal prosecution of business owners. This should lessen the hysteria that the media generates about workplace raids targeting illegal aliens. Let’s see if the liberals, ACLU, and special interest groups will be out there protesting, organizing marches & parades, and creating go-fund-me pages for business owners!" Jul 31, 18 6:28 PM

I think the original press release stated “cash”, and at $100-$150/week/occupant, on the high-side, that’s upwards $250,000 annually in what I’m guessing is undeclared cash revenue. Someone should report the house manager to IRS’ Criminal Investigation Division or to the IRS Whistleblower to deter others in our communities from engaging in similar practices." Aug 1, 18 8:55 AM

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

It’s called “satire” HHS, although it’s nice to know 27 East commentary has a built-in fact checker! Keep up the good work!" Aug 1, 18 10:31 AM

Alright HHS & Fore, my position on the denial of science has been swayed based on HHS’s arguments, further self education, and the definition of the word denial, the denial of which can more accurately described as both inaccurate, and uneducated/ignorant stabs at science combined with false claims, and am now in agreement with Gershon in light of Trump’s references to let’s say Geneva, where he mis-spoke “again”, actually meaning the Copenhagen Summit on climate and not Geneva, with the suggestion of cooked data and falsified reports in what was known as Climategate 2009 and Climategate 2.0 in 2011 with the release of hacked emails from climatologists evidencing the cooking of data and falsifying of reports, much, not all, of which was debunked, leaving many questions open.
I’m jumping on board with the consensus on this one and abandoning both the three-percenters’ and Trump’s views." Aug 2, 18 4:56 AM

Junebug,
Which empty stands are you talking about? Are you referring to the empty stands nearly 2 hrs before the rally at 5:05 ET when Acosta was heckled?...or are you referring to the stands during the post rally heckling 1 1/2 hrs after the rally ended at 9:35 ET? Aside from both pre and post rally media coverage the stands and standing-room-only appeared to be filled to capacity. I certainly hope your cousin and her friends weren’t the ones seeking out the cameras in the post rally videos....those persons shouting out the anti-media crap didn’t act or appear to be a very modelesque-looking group by any means! Sorry Junebug! " Aug 2, 18 4:36 PM

The “illegal ones” are at the job I lost because the client didn’t want to pay for “legal” payroll overhead." Aug 3, 18 12:34 PM

Some notable Muslim-Americans: Hillary’s Chief of Staff Huma Abedin (no Weiner or Benghazi comments please), Farah Pandith who promoted Middle East diplomacy under both the GW Bush and Obama administrations, sports figures such as Muhammed Ali, Shaquille O’Neal , Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Mike Tyson (a Trump supporter who at one time employed Donald Trump to be his financial advisor...no comments please), architect/engineer Fazlur Rahman Khan whose contributions to high rise structural engineering shaped our cities’ skylines, those who served in our armed services defending democracy, with nearly 6,000 self identified Muslims currently serving in the US armed services, celebrities such as Janet & Jermaine Jackson, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Cat Stevens, Mos Def, Dave Chappelle, to mention a few." Aug 3, 18 8:11 PM

Media news is a business and not a public service. The # 1 objective in any business is to maximize profits for its shareholders even at the risk of being deemed a propaganda machine. Both Liberal and Conservative biased attacks in the media sell, resulting in record profits for networks such as CNN in 2016/2017. This is where CNN and other news media fail the public, both conservatives and liberals alike. The only ones not being failed are the shareholders. Board decisions driven by fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, often result in the compromise of ethics and standards in journalism, resulting in the journalist being on the firing line, taking the heat for lack of objectivity and impartiality, thus the term fake news or propaganda machine...however, attacks on the opposition by liberal biased media, appear to only strengthen the opposition, encouraging the opposition to both work and fight harder, thus a Republican victory in 2016. This is the opinion of a non-Democratic." Aug 4, 18 3:19 PM

Let me Rephrase: It was once considered a journalist’s public service role to inform the electorate with impartiality, objectivity, and truth in order to foster democracy. Without making too broad of a generalization, corporate forces have undermined this principle to a degree. My statement was not intended to be a slur on journalists or the press, my apologies if it did, rather, it was intended to illustrate that fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, at times, are in conflict with the journalist’s public service role of exercising objectivity, impartiality, and truth. Infighting at shareholder meetings over media bias is commonplace.
" Aug 4, 18 6:31 PM

Opposing views in the form of political media-bias that stimulate thought, inducing both constructive and positive change, without promoting divisiveness, is a truly wonderful concept “only” when the media outlet is devoid of biased attacks, ridicule, political motive, the “I just ate sour grapes” facial expressions, and the constant littering of subjective-injected emotionally loaded/tinsel adorned phrases which is pretty much inherent to all news.. Let’s see if Trump can effectively “Bannonize” the BBG, transitioning it into a pro-Trump propaganda outlet by nominating Michael Pack as CEO of the Broadcasting Board of Governors....the staffers are biting their nails..." Aug 6, 18 11:36 AM

To Biba:
Although it is wrong to generalize or make assumptions, if I had to take an educated stab as to why the conversions by African American celebrities including sports figures, musicians , etc to Islam, it is probably more about achieving cultural and intellectual self-realization and self-consciousness with lesser emphasis placed on Islam’s more literal ideologies, a more modernist approach to Islam, although I’m certain that each has his/her own reasons.

And yes, some on the list are members of the Detroit-born Nation of Islam, and the general perception is one of antisemitism and black supremacy, Malcolm X being a former member, converting to traditional Islam, where he was later assassinated by a member(s) of the Nation of Islam.

Would they defend the Constitution and/or our nation? Once again, “they” is a very broad generalization and one can not generalize. Without being an expert on the matter, I would guess that Haram would serve as Constitutional grounds for conscientious objection due to religious reasons if Hamas, being “Islamic Law forbidding”..is interpreted by the legal system as a religious belief rather than law. Conscientious objection based on religious beliefs is a Contitioustutional right afforded to every American. With the naturalization of Muslim-Americans, and any immigrant, the more newly adopted exclusion option in the Oath of Allegiance initiated under the Obama administration, which pertains to the duty to defend and bear arms on behalf of the United States or performing noncombatant services in the Armed Services as part of the naturalization process, once again, under the principles of Hamas, the duty to defend could likely be excluded based on religious reasons/conscientious objection.
Historically in a theater of war, I’m assuming it has been policy of the armed services that the placement of service personnel in a particular theater is based on the prior nationality of a naturalized immigrant American. I don’t believe this policy ever existed with regard to religion/Muslim service personnel, many having done tours in Muslim nations. Try reading up on Colonel Douglas Burpee. He was the highest ranking ever Muslim-American in the armed services. I might add that I’m not a Muslim or conscientious objector and would hold the line until last man down in defense of my nation." Aug 6, 18 3:15 PM

To Biba:

Opinions, I agree...so maybe something a bit more factual:

Many conversions by African-Americans to Islam are due to their desire to re-connect with that cultural DNA that was stripped from them during the slave-trade period, with Islam flourishing in Africa, and being “forced” to accept Christianity.

The Mohammedans, as they were referred to in Colonial America, many having served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War, also gave their lives on the battlefield and fought for the same freedoms you enjoy today followed by that same Constitution you asked if they would defend. " Aug 7, 18 7:30 AM

@ Biba

I’ll throw this out there to you:
The American Islamic Forum for Democracy’s mission statement:
“...mission is to advocate for the preservation of the founding principles of the United States Constitution, liberty and freedom...”. I think I saw the word Constitution somewhere in there....

AIFD also deems the Islamist ideology of “ummah” which is the “Haram” you referred to as being a “false narrative that Muslims are unable to participate in war against other Muslims.” An article published by AIFD, “US Army Decision To Grant PFC Nasser Abdo Conscientious Objector Status A Black Day For American Muslim Service Members” (Zuhdi Jasser, 07/18/2011), slams a Muslim-American serviceman and the US Army for being granted/granting conscientious objection status with the ideology of “ummah” in mind, using words and phrases in the article such as “slap in the face”, “extraordinarily offensive”, “condemning the Army’s decision”, “grossly misguided decision”, “appalling”, “appeased a traitor”.

So, will they defend? I think I’ve just answered that. Some will and some won’t. The author most certainly will.
" Aug 7, 18 11:31 AM

Southampton Town Bay Constables Save Former Lobster Inn Owner From Overturned Boat At Shinnecock Inlet

A lobster’s revenge...nearly becoming fodder himself for the same lobsters he served. Great job!" Aug 8, 18 2:54 PM

Zeldin Responds To Comments Made By Trump Jr. Comparing Democratic Party Policies To Nazi Policies

The only parallel I see between Trump and the Nazi’s is Trump’s likeness to Sergeant Schultz from Hogan’s Hero’s....I see nothing...I know nothing..." Aug 9, 18 6:35 PM

Hey Fred, maybe he’ll rebirth the defunct Democratic opposition Know-Nothing Party circa 1850 which was built on xenophobia and hostilities towards immigration...Trump could then go down in History as a notable Know-Nothing..." Aug 9, 18 6:54 PM

I disagree with Gershon’s claim that Mr Putin's Red Pet...excuse me a moment while I disable my anagram keyboard app .....aah, that’s better...I meant President Trump....has sided with dictators against our intelligence agencies and dictators." Aug 10, 18 7:01 AM

I do believe he sided against the intelligence community, thus the anagram which pretty much describes it..why?....in a bit of a rush this morning, maybe at a later time" Aug 10, 18 7:27 AM

What are Gershon’s credentials and qualifications, other than having nothing more than a narrowly compartmentalized background in real estate lending management, which appears to be somewhat lacking in the necessary diversity I would expect of a House representative. Will this alone enable Gershon to be an effective civil servant representing NY’s 1st Condressional District other than having woken up one morning with the epiphany of becoming a US Congressperson? The 1st District is the 24th most populous county in the US, and commands representation by a well credentialed candidate with more than the narrowly compartmentalized background illustrated by Perry’s resume, combined with accomplishments and experiences other than in just real estate lending, sports bar ownership, campaign fundraising, driving a Chevy Volt, and the epiphany of waking up one morning of wanting to become a US Congressperson. Aside from offering nothing more than supporting a handful of the expected cut-and-pasted generic liberal agendas with more of a national, rather than a clearly defined localized platform of any sorts, I just don’t see Gershon effectively representing the more localized needs of our district. Is he campaigning to represent “us” in the 1st District or is this just another attack campaign against Trump in order to gain his 15 minutes and seat in Congress rather than a campaign based on the merits. accomplishments, and potential of the candidate? I’m sure with Perry’s skillset he can secure you a nice commercial real estate loan...but can he represent you?....I’m just not seeing it...I’m trying to, but it’s all very vague at most..." Aug 11, 18 9:24 AM

@Fred

Seems his only intent and motive for running is to foil rather than to represent, the 1st District being his only venue to do so, with issues to support his motive being ancillary at most. He pretty much says all the above during an interview with the East End Action Network. His motivation for running seems to be the result of a plea by Gillibrand, the “Trump Resistance”, to members of NYC’s elite that might have a seasonal home on the East End, with Zeldin being the target. Getting back to his resume: Perry even makes comments about his resume in the interview, the only strong point mentioned upon presenting the resume to Bishop were his connections and fundraising abilities. He quoted Bishop as saying, “Go raise $500k in the 1st qtr, and if you do that, you will be competitive, and people will take you very seriously”. His political knowledge appears to be lacking, which seems to begin with the Vietnam War body count and the Nixon impeachment, where he then speaks about gaps in his political progression which remained dormant until his involvement in the ‘80 Ted Kennedy/ ‘84 Gary Hart campaigns, not describing what his actual involvement/volunteer work was...so, what involvement? His progression from there remains dormant until the 2016 upset victory. His knowledge and/or mention of businesses on Long Island seems to be limited to Grumman’s pulling off the Island (old news). Perry does not have his finger on the pulse of residents in the 1st District, and appears to have no local political convictions whatsoever. His sole motive can be summed up in his statement, “I had to do something against Trump”, “He (Zeldin) seemed like the perfect guy”.
" Aug 12, 18 6:50 AM

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

@ Fore

I’m going to throw something out to you: I would have to side with Biba on his/her point that Islam is Islam, as well as his/her “other” point “if” the accepted definition of Islam is that of fundamentalist/originalist Islam, which is more modernly referred to as “radicalized” Islam, which does not deviate from the Quran’s Arabic written word, both practiced and lived by as if it were 632 AD, which is the only “true” Islam according to fundamentalists/originalists .... Reinterpretation or reformation of Islam by its liberal and/or Western offshoots, is not considered to be Islam by fundamentalists/originalists because it would both infer that the Quran is not the word of god, and that Muhammad was not a prophet. Any deviation would imply that God either misspoke and God cannot misspeak, or that Muhammad was a false prophet. For all they knew back then, the world was flat and still is now, as long as Muhammad said it was. Radicalized Islam is the only “true” Islam in a fundamental sense, and the term “radicalized” was developed and applied as a result of offshoots that were less or non-radicalized, where in essence, according to fundamentalists/originalists , there is either Islam and/or the less to non-radical non-Islam. So a question to you Fore, by Western and/or your standards, are any “radicalized” Muslims decent human beings by the fundamentalist/originalist perception of Islam?

...please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on any of this...Islam is not so crystal in itself..." Aug 12, 18 12:56 PM

@ HHS

I agree with everything you say except that the allegations are bigoted libel by Islamophobes with an axe to grind”. The allegations would also include libel by Muslims.

Below is an interesting piece supporting your claim. The Ashtiname of Muhammad, was a covenant granting protections to Christians and Jews. It was imprinted with the hand of the prophet Muhammad in 628 CE.

The following was published at the Jewish Post and provided by the Pave The Way Foundation found :

The covenant is translated as:

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

     Commenting on this most important document, PTWF Advisor Sheikh Syed Agha Jafri stated, "During these days when violence in the name of religion is commonplace, it is even more significant to raise worldwide awareness of this covenant of protection.
The document gives a clear order of protection, in the name of Islam, of the people of the book, means the Jews and the Christians. It is likely that very few Muslims around the world are aware that this covenant exists, even amongst the Muslim population. This should be trumpeted worldwide to oppose those whose private agendas have insulted and sullied Islam by encouraging violence in its name."

     Gary Krupp, President of PTWF, stated, "The enemies of peace are the extremists that exist within each of our faiths. Religious violence comes about from the 'tail wagging the dog' where extreme minorities instigate hatred and violence, violating benevolent precepts common to the Abrahamic faiths. If peace is ever to be achieved, Jews must take responsibility for Jewish extremists, Christians must take responsibility for Christian extremists, and Muslims must take responsibility for Muslim extremists."
" Aug 13, 18 1:50 AM

@ HHS

I agree with everything you say except that the allegations are bigoted libel by Islamophobes with an axe to grind”. The allegations would also include libel by Muslims.

Below is an interesting piece supporting your claim. The Ashtiname of Muhammad, was a covenant granting protections to Christians and Jews. It was imprinted with the hand of the prophet Muhammad in 628 CE.

The following was published at the Jewish Post and provided by the Pave The Way Foundation found :

The covenant is translated as:

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by God! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

     Commenting on this most important document, PTWF Advisor Sheikh Syed Agha Jafri stated, "During these days when violence in the name of religion is commonplace, it is even more significant to raise worldwide awareness of this covenant of protection.
The document gives a clear order of protection, in the name of Islam, of the people of the book, means the Jews and the Christians. It is likely that very few Muslims around the world are aware that this covenant exists, even amongst the Muslim population. This should be trumpeted worldwide to oppose those whose private agendas have insulted and sullied Islam by encouraging violence in its name."

     Gary Krupp, President of PTWF, stated, "The enemies of peace are the extremists that exist within each of our faiths. Religious violence comes about from the 'tail wagging the dog' where extreme minorities instigate hatred and violence, violating benevolent precepts common to the Abrahamic faiths. If peace is ever to be achieved, Jews must take responsibility for Jewish extremists, Christians must take responsibility for Christian extremists, and Muslims must take responsibility for Muslim extremists."
" Aug 13, 18 1:50 AM

Lee Zeldin Declines Invitation To Forum On Morality Organized By Local Interfaith Clergy Group

An anti-Trump rally under the guise of an interfaith forum....clever, but not clever enough.
Jan Uhrbach’s quote as she stood in front of Zeldin’s office protesting, “I said these words to Zeldin: 'You cannot include Nazis and White Supremacists as part of your coalition and not be complicit in their hate and violence. It's that simple.'"
So, Ms. Uhrbach disputed the premise that the forum would be slanted? Nice try Uhrbach.
" Aug 14, 18 9:39 AM

@ Fred

I’m just curious as to who specifically are the Nazis that Uhrbach claims are part of Zeldin’s coalition, whether the claim was intended to be allegorical or not? Does her claim of Zeldin’s complicity to Nazism extend to the voter as well? Even if her statement was allegorical, for a member of the clergy to make such a statement is more than a bit prickly. I think an impartial interfaith forum with a debate by the candidates would be absolutely fantastic, and would provide that non-hostile environment you mentioned in addressing the ethics side of politics, but to step into what appears to be a loaded forum with claims made by the “forum’s organizer” of Nazism complicity is another. Do you think for a minute that Gershon would not have before-hand knowledge of questions/issues to be addressed, resembling...cough..cough...CNN Donna Brazile’s debate question leak? You do the math Fred, you’re both an intelligent and reasonable guy, as to the answer to the question you posed. You also know by some of my posts that I’m not the biggest fan of our president." Aug 14, 18 11:41 AM

PEW research survey: Belief in God by political party

73% of Republicans/lean Republican Belief in God: Absolutely Certain

55% of of Democrats/lean Democrat Belief in God: Absolutely Certain

Belief in Trump as the Savior-In-Chief: Nobody’s Certain" Aug 15, 18 8:18 AM

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

Nobody on this forum better go prank calling Air Force One now." Aug 15, 18 2:25 PM

Fred, I called Air Force One as you suggested, giving them wrong directions. They just called me back after landing at McDonalds, thanking me, but said the President insisted on Papa John’s. Told me he and Schnatter were working on a Papa John’s buyout strategy, rebranding it as Papa Don’s, only if the alleged Omarosa tape should surface, and he’s out a job. They also told me that Lee submitted an application for pizza delivery boy, just in case he’s out too.
" Aug 16, 18 6:45 AM

Just to clear up the notion of Trump’s long string of bankruptcies: Nearly 90% of all hotels in the US were in default during the early 1990’s. The industry was overly built, overly financed, and recession-hit, and we were at war in the Gulf, with travel down, resulting in an industry-wide collapse with a tsunami of bankruptcy filings. Trump’s bankruptcies weren’t unique. 4 of Trump’s 6 corporate bankruptcies occurred in ‘92 when the industry had hit its absolute bottom, with stocks crashing through the floor industry-wide, devaluing by as much as 75% in the course of under a year. The same collapse occurred in 2001, and Trump’s 2004 filing was a result of the collapse. The 2009 filing occurred during the Great Recession. It was bad business, but bad business by the entire industry with lending institutions largely at fault. The collapses were similar to the real estate bubble in 2006 which “slowly” deflated over the course of 6 or so years, followed by foreclosures and short sales. The effects on the hotel/casino industry were more immediate, like getting pushed off a cliff without a parachute. Trump was a good business person in “many” respects, managing to weather out the valleys, and was able to keep his brand in tact unlike other small hotel and/or casino groups. Hillary’s 2016 attack campaign and the media managed to capitalize on Trump’s business failures, the media painting an incomplete picture. Trump didn’t defend it to any great degree. Defending it would be similar to me writing this post....who the heck’s gonna read it and who’s gonna even care because it can’t be defended or explained in ten words or less.
" Aug 16, 18 8:58 AM

It’s in the hot dog aisle at your nearest local grocery store. " Aug 17, 18 5:40 AM

That’s been changed. Trump threw a Twitter tantrum after discovering lunch was at Nathan’s Howard Lorber’s place, insisting there had to have been a mix up. He just redirected Air Force One to Chicago’s O’Hare, says the luncheon’s now at McDonald’s Steve Easterbrook’s place." Aug 17, 18 5:53 AM

UPDATE: President Trump Arrives In Southampton

And this just in: An investigation into the refrigerated meat locker malfunction at Southampton’s Stop & Shop strongly indicates that the malfunction was the result of an intentional hostile act. The suspect, now in custody, is a self identified liberal extremist, who had beforehand knowledge of the Presidential luncheon held at Nathan’s Howard Lorber’s Southampton residence earlier yesterday. Although the suspect’s intentions remain unclear, it is thought this purported act of vile liberal extremism was to spoil the Nathan’s Franks in protest of the President’s upcoming visit, resulting in several collateral losses which have yet to be identified. Any additional information is being withheld pending further investigation.
Also in the news: Upon Trump’s visit to Long Island’s South Fork earlier yesterday, where he attended a local fundraiser, there have been multiple incident reports by local grocers of radical liberal extremists, hurling themselves in front of shopping carts, blocking shoppers from accessing hot dog aisles. There have also been multiple incident reports of conservative grocery shoppers being pelted with Nathan’s hot dogs, which have recently become yet another liberal object of despise which they have called up against. New York’s Eater reported several calls by angered liberal extremists on social media, demanding that Major League Baseball switch the official Nathan’s dog to the Hebrew National brand. What’s a ball game without the one-and-only Coney Island? When will this ever end folks? It just keeps getting uglier by the day." Aug 18, 18 6:30 AM

If you want to crush the grape, hate and anger yields vinegar, not wine." Aug 18, 18 9:18 AM

Maybe I’ll seek asylum in Mexico because I fear for my life at the hand of these horribly vicious radicalized liberal extremists. Oh wait, no money to be made there, think I’ll stay put." Aug 19, 18 6:57 PM

Maybe I’ll call Curtis Sliwa. " Aug 19, 18 7:19 PM

It’s a great day in America when those seeking asylum have achieved their ultimate dream of becoming a proud citizen of this great nation. When Emma Lazarus wrote, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”, was the intended meaning to provide citizenship to immigrants whose sole intent is that it allows them unrestricted travel to their nation of origin, or to those who drain our system of $138 billion in annual remittances, or to those who retire abroad on social security where they can live comfortably for pennies on the dollar, renouncing their sworn oath and the nation that they “used” only to achieve their intended end, yet the constitution affords them these rights.
Two of the three immigrant citizens I know, self admitted that the only reason they opted for citizenship vs remaining a resident was it allowed for unrestricted travel, with both having no intentions of making the United States their nation of permanent residency.
So when Emma Lazarus wrote, “wretched refuse of your teeming shore”, this is the wretched refuse I could do without and it is now teeming our shores. Last time I checked, a green card has the word “permanent” resident written on it somewhere. So before an administration starts handing cards out like candy, some thought should be given to the word permanent. President Trump did.
" Aug 20, 18 7:34 AM

Fred, I think I mentioned that it is their legal right to do so, and they most certainly should exercise and enjoy that right, and it is heartfelt when I hear or know of a resident immigrant not being able to tend to a sick and dying family member for durations exceeding LPR rules, or losing LPR status by doing so, and having to apply for re-entry with the possibility of being denied. Having spent much time in the trenches on the issue and listening to firsthand opinions and stories from resident immigrants as to why they want citizenship, the consensus in my circles is that their intended end is to not to embrace our nation as being theirs, and is only a temporary passing through point to achieve a different end elsewhere. This doesn’t apply to all, yet it often leaves a bit of a stinging sensation as an employer providing opportunity.
On a different note, visiting family members and I were discussing this past weekend the gang rape of my 16 year old niece’s friend by members of MS-13 which brings the sting to an entirely different level. Averaging out political views I stand inches right of center, yet I firmly support the hardline stance on immigration by this administration and will continue to do so, “trying” to keep all prejudices aside. The handling of the 2014 Southern Border crisis by our previous administration was an utter and total disaster, as well and embarrassment to the administration, which further spawned the likings of the above mentioned MS-13 incident. I lean hard right on immigration, and left on mostly everything else, the democrats having showed me “nothing” on immigration. Parsing is indeed a slippery slope. Oh and, Curtis assured me that the only liberal threat of any concern is that of his ex’s, so I’m holding off on seeking asylum for now.
" Aug 20, 18 10:04 AM

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

like Central Islip steadily advancing east. Could someone please go ask Lee and see if it’s possible to get Donald to build us a border wall at the canal? That way the left can stop their whining that Lee never did anything for us. No one recognizes El Salvador either. In 2007 the Salvadoran migrant population in the US was nearly 19% of El Salvador’s entire population.

History re-written: Long after the mass exodus when the entire population of El Salvador just simply seemed to vanish, Archaeologists a thousand years from now will be excavating the ruins of what they thought was to be an advanced civilization, trying to offer explanation as to the exodus similar to the Mayans and Aztecs. Historians and scholars will be postulating that the exodus was due to an invasion of the North Americas by this civilization, and that North Americas leader whose worshipers called Obama had invited the peoples of this once great civilization into the northern part of the Americas in the year 2014 AD. A period of civil unrest followed in the year 2016 AD, resulting in the dethroning of Obama and his followers in what was thought to have been through some type of democratic process. The people of the North Americas were liberated from the invasion through this democratic process by a great leader who tried to prevent further invasions to the North Americas which were thought to have been overwhelming and undermining their civilization and economy. This has been evidenced by archaeologists having unearthed what was thought to have been a great wall which had traversed the southern boundary of the North Americas from shore to shore.....America needs secure borders and immigration enforcement....
" Aug 21, 18 6:19 AM

Restaurants Face Pet Owners Who Say They Need Emotional Support

I was going to ask If I could bring my emotional support plant until realizing I already smoked most of it." Aug 21, 18 8:48 AM

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

@ Fore

I thought you don’t like it when people generalize and are always calling people out on it.. Does having 3 college degrees/magma cum laude 3x’s make me a lowly educated member of the base? Education is overrated, and has only provided me and others like me very few skills and/or knowledge that have any real world applications. Education doesn’t increase IQ points, the ability to critically think, the ability to problem solve, or the ability identify and assess a situation. A thermometer has degrees too and you know where you can stick that. It’s many of those low educated base members who have spent time in the trenches, rather than being insulated behind their corporate walls and their privet lined homes who have more knowledge of the issues facing this nation because they live it and feel it every day." Aug 22, 18 8:19 AM

You can make sinkers though, which along with the media have taken this administration to the bottom." Aug 22, 18 9:19 AM

Have any RNC contributors here not yet received their Newt Gingrich signed copy of “Understanding Trump” as part of the recent GOP campaign contribution book-giveaway promotion? To those of you that might have not yet received it, I’ve just been informed by the RNC that the book has been recalled by its author after realizing it would require volumes rather than just one book to understand Trump. The expected wait time for the author to gain understanding before re-release is taking longer than previously anticipated. " Aug 23, 18 8:45 AM

The sad thing is that many have forgotten about the two boys in South County’s school district that were flayed, dismembered, and hacked beyond recognition by illegal El Salvadoran aliens. I can’t imagine the pain and suffering they endured and the pain their families experience every day. The community’s condolences go out to the families and friends of Mollie Tibbetts, Bellport’s Justin Llivicura & Jorge Tigre, Bridgehampton’s Anna Pump, Water Mill’s Sister Jackie and all of the other families whose loved ones were taken from them." Aug 23, 18 9:50 AM

All the more reason for mandated e-verify, I-9 due diligence is not enough. " Aug 26, 18 7:26 AM

"Time To Abolish "Ugly And Wrong" ICE, Replace With "Something That Reflects Our Morality"

In order to provide law enforcement which reflects morality, the laws being enforced would need to reflect morality as well. Enforcement of laws must remain impartial to broad appeals for compassion and morality." Aug 27, 18 5:49 PM

@ Fore
A very basic principle taught in introductory law is Salmond's theory of interlocking circles which illustrates the interrelationship between morals and law. Ideally in an advanced society one would “hope” and “expect” that laws and morals fully overlap which more often than not don’t, as illustrated in the very complex issue of immigration.
It is however unfortunate that Immigration policy cannot satisfy broad appeals for compassion and morality. Immigration policy is based primarily on fiscal burdens and fiscal benefits which are complex in themselves, without adding further complexity to the mix such as “feelings”, as a result, many immigrants suffer. The myth that the consensus of conservatives actually gets enjoyment out of seeing members of the community arrested by ICE and deported, is just that, a myth. Many who support a hardline stance on immigration are not the hate mongers that many make them out to be. Many have been severely impacted by the fiscal burdens that unfair competition illegal immigration poses on legitimate business. The result for many has been reduced quality of life for business owners, their employees, and their families, especially in the service industries on Long Island’s East End. Someone is going to suffer. I do support liberal and libertarian think tank policy that amnesty would level out the playing field, but without secure borders that cannot happen because the message received is that of tolerance by an administration, and then we’d have a repeat of 2014. " Aug 27, 18 7:19 PM

@ Junebug & Fore
Let me rephrase, rather than the term legitimate, I’ll redefine as businesses in compliance with Internal Revenue Code/Title 26 US Code and I-9 hiring rules. Many services businesses on the East End are not compliant in order to meet staffing needs, placing compliant businesses at a competitive disadvantage. HSI’s press release on August’s Nebraska raid included the following, “....cheating the taxpayers, and cheating their business competitors.” Many businesses skirt I-9 and IRC rules by classifying employees as independent contractors and defer to their independent contractors to meet staffing needs. This practice is endemic on the East End and is also illegal, the relationship not being bona-fide, yet allows businesses to line their pockets and to maintain a competitive advantage. Many businesses don’t exercise I-9 due diligence, one example being accepting ITIN’s in lieu of SS#’s in order to skirt I-9 rules, the penalties being minor for 1st time offenders, a risk that many businesses are willing to take. Many businesses that rely on subcontracted services turn a blind eye at their subcontractors’ hiring practices. Laws do not provide immunity to businesses that knowingly hire subcontractors who employ undocumented workers from fines and/or criminal prosecution. When Levy was County Executive, a number of constituents reached out to him addressing the issue of unfair competition and reduced quality of life imposed through illegal hiring. Levy, a Democrat at the time, stepped above his party by introducing a bill that would mandate E-verify for all licensed county service businesses to provide protections for compliant businesses. Illegal hiring serves as a magnet for illegal immigration, non compliant business owners being the criminals, immigrants being the victims. I’d be interested seeing if non compliant businesses could even survive a year, given a level playing field, and playing by big boy rules. My assertions aren’t baseless, rather, they are based on case law involving businesses suing those who hire undocumented workers on the grounds of unfair competition under The Cartwright Act, Sections 1 & 2 of the Sherman Antitrust Act, and state/federal antitrust statutes.

A quote from plaintiff Global Horizons President Mordechai Orian (Global Horizons vs Munger Brothers, LLC), “Competitors hiring illegal immigrants are hurting our business badly, It's to the point that doing business legally isn't worth it." Many compliant local businesses share this view.

Fore, I like you too, not the bully that some make you out to be : )" Aug 28, 18 11:10 AM

Suffolk County District Attorney Deploys DWI Checkpoints, Patrols Over Labor Day Weekend

If it saves one life it’s worth it no matter what the cost. " Sep 1, 18 6:48 PM

Osprey Populations Are Up 50 Percent On The East End

Not the only local migratory population up 50% since 1995. Nice to see they are making a comeback, the Osprey that is." Sep 1, 18 6:52 PM

President Donald Trump To Fly Into Gabreski Airport On Friday

During an election cycle it is the public service duty of journalists/media to inform the electorate in an impartial, objective, truthful, accurate, and complete fashion in order to foster democracy. Journalism/media is self regulated and should remain as such, although there is a need for committee oversight of some sorts to insure journalistic ethics and standards are adhered to during a “clearly defined period” during an election cycle. Non adherence to ethics and standards results in a disservice to the “entire” electorate.
" Sep 3, 18 12:55 PM

Fred, My use of the word oversight not being the best choice of words because it did imply censorship. I’m not suggesting censorship, rather adherence to SPJ’s ethics and standards, the Society of Professional Journalists’ Preamble being:

Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity.
" Sep 3, 18 1:26 PM

Fore & Fred,

I liked that one Fred.
Below is an interesting concept.

Unlike the Fairness Doctrine which federally regulated broadcast media under the FCC, a non-governmental approach is the Canadian Broadcasting Standards Council which is self-regulated, membership being voluntary, with the vast majority of Canadian broadcasters being members. CBSC serves as the gold standard for insuring ethics & standards in broadcast media/journalism.
CBSB’s model provides for complaint based adjudication. The council maintains a code of ethics governing broadcasters which includes a memorandum of understanding requiring full, fair and proper presentation of news, opinion, comment and editorial.
The council convenes a panel of adjudicators to examine complaints, the panels consisting of seven members of the general public and the broadcast industry. Prior to adjudication, CBSB’s complaints officer reviews complaints, performs triage, and sums up concerns for adjudicators. If violations are found, the network is required to air two statements about the ruling, one on prime time, and the other on the broadcast spot which previously aired the piece. CBSB doesn’t have the power to fine broadcasters, but their procedural adjudication has been proven effective in deterring repeat offenses. Violations by CBSB members can result in suspension of broadcasting licenses by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, members being bound to CBSC’s terms.
I’m afraid the high incidence of Trump’s assertions of fake news alone would keep the adjudicators working 24-7." Sep 4, 18 6:03 AM

My concern is the American public being caught in the crossfire of a war between Trump and the media which is now being fought offensively by both." Sep 4, 18 6:26 AM

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