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Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

He can't.
In 1799,John Adams, one of the founding fathers and the second president, signed the Treaty of Tripoli,stating that the U.S. is not a Christian nation.

"As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion..." " Oct 13, 10 7:39 PM

The 'free market' is the republican way of stating its intention to give corporations power over govenment, and therefore the people.Let the market decide-take the power of the people to determine their future away form them and give it to the corporations.
Corporate fascism" Oct 13, 10 7:50 PM

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

a far right wing organisation-
"•A right wing think tank with programs devoted to privatization in the following issue areas: taxes, Social Security and Medicare, health care, criminal justice, environment, education, and welfare."

"•Right-wing foundations funding includes: Bradley, Scaife, Koch, Olin, Earhart, Castle Rock, and JM Foundations"

"A package of pro-growth tax cuts, designed by the NCPA and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ..."

The same Chamber of Commerce now soliciting foreign funds and channeling them to republican candidates.

NCPA Senior Fellow Bruce Bartlett's proposal for an across-the-board tax cut became the centerpiece of Bob Dole's 1996 presidential campaign and the focal point of the recent pro-growth approach to tax cuts. Bartlett's proposal also became the centerpiece of President Bush's tax cut proposal."

"•"The repeal by Congress of the estate tax last year (vetoed by President Clinton) and again by the House of Representatives this year reflects the continued work of the NCPA. At the request of congressional leadership, the NCPA produced a policy backgrounder on the case for abolishing death taxes. A later NCPA study on this issue was released on Capitol Hill, timed to coincide with the Senate debate on the issue. This year, the issue is again before the Congress, with a president who strongly favors repeal."
The right wants the poor and middle class to 'pull itself up by it's bootstraps' yet that doesn't apply to the rich and the children of the rich.Generational wealt and the development of an aristocracy is their goal.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/national-center-policy-analysis" Oct 13, 10 9:13 PM

previous link is about the National Center for Policy Analysis.

" Oct 13, 10 9:32 PM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

Once again,I don't see you posting anything to refute what I post,just regurgitatng talking points.
I'll continueto frost your teabag and it looks like others here are doing it,too." Oct 13, 10 9:36 PM

Reaganomics was a failure.
Revenues increased,but so did deficits.It caused him to raise taxes in his second term.

"Yes, revenues did increase by $474.1 billion dollars during the Reagan 8-year term of office, but each and every year resulted in a budget deficit and by the end of his 8-year term Ronald Reagan had increased the federal debt by almost $1.7 trillion dollars - 3.5 times the amount the revenues increased"

His policies increased the poverty rate-
"The number of Americans below the poverty level increased from 29.272 million in 1980 to 31.745 million in 1988, which means that, as a percentage of the total population, it remained almost stationary, from 12.95% in 1980 to 13% in 1988.[20] The poverty level for people under the age of 18 increased from 11.543 million in 1980 (18.3% of all child population) to 12.455 (19.5%) in 1988.[21] In addition, the situation of low income groups was affected by the reduction of social spending. Inequality also increased. The share of total income going to the 5% highest-income households grew from 16.5% in 1980 to 18.3% in 1988 and the share of the highest fifth increased from 44.1% to 46.3% in same years. In contrast, the share of total income of the lowest fifth fell from 4.2% in 1980 to 3.8% in 1988 and the second poorest fifth from 10.2% to 9.6%.[22]"

"National debt more than tripled from 900 billion dollars to 2.8 trillion dollars during Reagan's tenure"

Voodoo economics.

" Oct 13, 10 9:47 PM

factcheck.com is skeptical of poll results because polls only reac those with landlines-

Reasons to be Skeptical

We doubt that this study will be the last word on this subject, and we think the results of the Pew study include some good reasons to be somewhat skeptical of polling results in general. For one thing, the study illustrates that cell-only users tend to be very different from the landline sample. In the Pew study, the cell-only users tended to be:

•Young: 46 percent of the cell-only sample was in the 18 to 29 age group, compared with 12 percent for landline users.

•Male: Men made up 61 percent of the cell-only sample but only 48 percent of the landline sample.

•Less White: 19 percent of the cell-only sample was black, versus 11 percent for the landline sample. Asians made up 5 percent of the cell-only sample, versus 1 percent of the landline sample.

•More Hispanic: Hispanics (who can be of any race) were 13 percent of the cell-only sample compared with 6 percent of the landline sample.


Poll-takers apply various statistical manipulations to their survey results in an attempt to compensate for those who are missed in phone surveys. That task is becoming more difficult as more Americans do without hard-wired phones, giving the wise citizen one more reason not to put too much weight on any particular finding from a telephone poll.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_polls_skewed_because_many_people_only.html" Oct 13, 10 10:50 PM

factcheck.com is skeptical of poll results because polls only reac those with landlines-

Reasons to be Skeptical

We doubt that this study will be the last word on this subject, and we think the results of the Pew study include some good reasons to be somewhat skeptical of polling results in general. For one thing, the study illustrates that cell-only users tend to be very different from the landline sample. In the Pew study, the cell-only users tended to be:

•Young: 46 percent of the cell-only sample was in the 18 to 29 age group, compared with 12 percent for landline users.

•Male: Men made up 61 percent of the cell-only sample but only 48 percent of the landline sample.

•Less White: 19 percent of the cell-only sample was black, versus 11 percent for the landline sample. Asians made up 5 percent of the cell-only sample, versus 1 percent of the landline sample.

•More Hispanic: Hispanics (who can be of any race) were 13 percent of the cell-only sample compared with 6 percent of the landline sample.


Poll-takers apply various statistical manipulations to their survey results in an attempt to compensate for those who are missed in phone surveys. That task is becoming more difficult as more Americans do without hard-wired phones, giving the wise citizen one more reason not to put too much weight on any particular finding from a telephone poll.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_polls_skewed_because_many_people_only.html" Oct 13, 10 10:51 PM

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

Apparently the stimulus package Tim voted for did create jobs-

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/are_polls_skewed_because_many_people_only.html" Oct 13, 10 10:55 PM

Factcheck also 'factchecked' the republican 'Pledge' and found it be be short on shine-and facts

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/factchecking-the-pledge/" Oct 13, 10 11:00 PM

factcheck also did some research on immigration and jobs-

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/" Oct 13, 10 11:01 PM

factcheck on the lies about the healthcare bill supported by Mr. Bishop-

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/more-malarkey-about-health-care/" Oct 13, 10 11:03 PM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

they do-especially at the lowest wage possible while directing all their profits at the ceo's and shareholders;they don't 'trickle' profits down to th workers.Wages for the average worker have been stagnant for years while profits have been up. The gap between rich and poor has widened considerably.
Paul Krugman described it well.
He said if you could take 1000 people and line them up,using height to indicatie their economic standing,the average worker would be about 8 feet tall. People in extreme poverty would be about 2 feet tall.Do you have any idea how tall the richest wold be on his scale,relative to the average worker?" Oct 15, 10 7:39 AM

I see your getting all unhinged,resorting to the talking points from Fox news. You sound like a commercial for Altshuler-that was all he kept saying when he was looking foolish on the news 12 debate.
We know you hate Bishop,but can't you come up with anything original?All your comments are retreads from the right wing talking heads.Its pretty boring,and it isn't even a challenge to refute anymore.
The right is saying the same thing they've been saying for years,and everybody is catching on.Same old tired rhetoric." Oct 15, 10 7:56 AM

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Cash for clunkers was a success.
Tarp, which was conceived and implemented by the Bush administration and followed up by the Obama administration saved the country from another,greater,depression.
General motors was saved,paid back their debt in full with interest,and is now not only profitable,but is re-opening plants here in the US.
Ever read a newspaper?" Oct 15, 10 8:02 AM

actually,we're a constitutional republic wih a democratic tradition.
What the rigt wants is a pure democracy,with majority rule an no process for addressing the concerns of the minority.
" Oct 15, 10 8:06 AM

LOL!" Oct 15, 10 8:08 AM

I would support Mr. Z if he ran,he shows a lot of insight,knows how to debate and refute arguments not only in statements but with facts and and is far more intelligent than any of the teamonkeys that post here.
As for Raz,when he speaks,have your raincoat on,he just flings unsubsatantiated crap." Oct 15, 10 8:20 AM

Thats a book by Mark Levin.You can catch his show from 6-9 pm.
Guaranteed you won't make it through the first hour." Oct 15, 10 8:22 AM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

Can't come up with something other than namecalling?
I can call names too.but I won't because you didn't add any value to the topic with your comment.Nice try,junior." Oct 15, 10 6:32 PM

"None of this speaks to the lopsided distribution of the benefits of Reagan-era economic growth. Investors made out during the 1980s, while workers lost out. After seeing their investments lose value during the 1970s, shareholders enjoyed real returns (i.e., adjusted for inflation) in the 1980s that rivaled those of the next decade's stock market bubble and far outdistanced the returns of the 1960s. Real weekly wages for nonsupervisory workers, on the other hand, took a beating, declining even more quickly than they had during the 1970s. Today, the average real earnings of nonsupervisory workers remain far below those of 30 years ago, despite healthy wage gains in the second half of the 1990s expansion, when unemployment rates dropped toward 4%. "

his tax cuts-
"The results never came close to measuring up to the supply-side rhetoric. For starters, the tax cuts busted the federal budget. The federal deficit ballooned from 2.7% of GDP in 1980 to 6% of GDP in 1983, the largest peacetime deficit in history, and was still 5% of GDP in 1986. Tax revenues did pick up, especially after the 1983 payroll tax increase kicked in, reducing the deficit somewhat. Still, tax revenues grew far more slowly over than the 1980s business cycle (2.5% from 1979 to 1989) than they did in the 1990s business cycle (4.1% from 1989 to 2000). "


I think I found your source-the Cato institute.
Try using something non-partisan that doesn't worship St. Reagan.

" Oct 15, 10 6:48 PM

I saw the debate on 612 and it was pitiful to see Altshuler do one of his commercials every time it was his turn to talk.He didn't come across well,didn't answer the questions and looked pretty sad next to the pofessional,in depth answers given by Rep. Bishop.
" Oct 15, 10 7:08 PM

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

No problem.
I try to be as accurate in my postings as I can,and provide links,etc.,to back them up. All they do is post opinion and attacks.
I don't see much of anything but opinion,unfounded statements,and retreaded talking points coming from most of the right here.I wish this message board used a different format so we could use links properly.I'm on quite a few message boards,and some of these people wou;ld be eaten up and spit out in NO time. You do a nice job of stating facts and postig accurately;it gets a little bothersome with certain posters just posting garbage and expecting everyone to take it as gospel.It tells a lot about them." Oct 15, 10 7:28 PM

I just finished reading Bill Moyers on Democracy.I highly recommend it.

I saw MM's Capitalism:A Love Story. As you ststed,a bit skewed at times,but excellent.

Naomi Klein is grat.Is she still writing for the Nation?My subscription ran out about a year ago.I guess I could read it at the Library." Oct 15, 10 7:32 PM

Dems and republicans all love this country.
The difference is that the republicans expect to be paid for it." Oct 15, 10 7:38 PM

The pursuitofhappiness may encompass financial security,but what it really is about is contentment-having what you need,being satisfied with yourself and your accomplishments. This country isn't about 'winner-take-all',its about attaining the satisfaction of creating a comfortable life for yourself and your family without interefering with others' pursuit of the same dream." Oct 15, 10 7:43 PM

hell of a mess the republicans made,isn't it?" Oct 15, 10 7:45 PM

Have you read John Deans' trilogy,Worse Than Watgate,Conservatives Without Concience and Broken Government?

ohn Dean wrote quite a good article on Findlaw abiout conservatives.Heres and exerpt-

"Republicans' authoritarian rule can also be characterized by its striking incivility and intolerance toward those who do not view the world as Republicans do. Their insufferable attitude is not dangerous in itself, but it is employed to accomplish what they want, which is to take care of themselves and those who work to keep them in power."

sound like anyone here?

http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/dean/20081031.html" Oct 15, 10 7:51 PM

I didn't realise I was infringing on your copyright.
BS away.

The quote was from memory;It was HL Menckin-
"When you hear some men talk about their love of country,it's a sign they expect to be paid for it."" Oct 15, 10 9:24 PM

true,but we're now showing the effects of corporate lobbying and the effect that big money has on influencing either party;with the exposure of big donations to the rpublicans this election cycle and their reluctance to disclose its origins,especially after the events of the last administration which allowed corporate interests to write policies,I think the blame leans more one way than the other." Oct 15, 10 9:29 PM

you got the first part right.
you also got the part about the republicans screwing everything up right,too.
good job." Oct 15, 10 9:35 PM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

see above." Oct 15, 10 9:49 PM

does your mommy knowyou ot her password?" Oct 16, 10 9:54 PM

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

Bishop supports a path to citizenship that wuld involve a six to seven yearprocess.He also upported the Dream Act,which was originally proposed by republicans who withdew their support

Rounding up illegal immigrants would mean clogging the courts with immigration hearings,since they will all bentitled to be heard in court according to the constitution..Thiswoul take years and cost billions,and would mean accommodating entire families for years.
One of the thigs that ca be one is to impose havy fines on employers hiring illegals; that would remove incentives to hirethem." Oct 16, 10 10:57 PM

while we're spending on te hearings and holding them in custody,we're still paying for their healthcare and supporting them.It's just adding more expense to the process." Oct 17, 10 7:37 AM

Rechlers still have not made decision on whether to demolish Canoe Place Inn

how many landmarks in Hampton Bays have the residents allowed to be destroyed?" Oct 17, 10 7:46 AM

Clashing ideas about jobs dominate congressional race

According to the right wing Cato institute,immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take-75% pay taxes just like you or I-


the CBO agrees-


And the claim that immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans? Well, actually, the Immigration Policy Center says that immigration - either legal or illegal - doesn't cause high unemployment. They point out that if immigrants took jobs away from American citizen, then you'd have the highest unemployment rates where there are the highest numbers of immigrants - but that's not the case. Here's where the Immigration Policy Center explains all this:


Most of the ianti-immigration nformation comes from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), both founded by the same person who has ties to some pretty rascist groups.I don't think people want to get 'facts' on immigration from any organisation that is willing to mislead the public with misinformation." Oct 17, 10 8:25 AM

Ronald Reagan promoted illegal immigration by giving immigrants amnesty.
" Oct 17, 10 12:36 PM

when unions were strong,we had a thriving middle class.Wages were steady and the gap between the working class and the richest was much smaller.It all disappeared once the republican party began attacking unions under Reagan.
The middle class thrived under New Deal policies from the 40's until the begnning of the 80's." Oct 17, 10 12:40 PM

your so afraid that you resort to lying to assure victory.
the right will sink to any level to win. Not that they know how to govern.
but even iif they don' win,they will still have brain-dead lemmings to led around by the nose." Oct 18, 10 1:28 PM

Altschuler, Bishop Will Take Part In Campaign Event On Thursday

anybody planning to attend?" Oct 18, 10 5:43 PM

New Deal policies helped the middle class thrive for 40+ years after it was enacted.Social Security,labor laws including collective bargaining,minimum wage laws and the 40 hour work week,rural electrification,as well as food and drug safety legislation all came about because of legislation passed during the FDR administration." Oct 18, 10 5:55 PM

what good will it do him,all he'll do is draw some of his supporters out.I hope they aren't like the ones who attended Tim's town hall meetings last year." Oct 18, 10 5:58 PM

I'd actually like to hear him speak.I robably won't agree with him,but I would like to know about his views.He has yet to actually say anything about what he would do." Oct 18, 10 6:19 PM

Thersw a name for why the right beleives everything their told-Its called the
Dunning-Kruger effect.

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which an unskilled person makes poor decisions and reaches erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to realize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. "

It seem to be rampant on the right.
You can tell because they don't present ideas or argue points,they just attack because they are inellectually unabl to argu a point.
look at the post above,for example.

" Oct 18, 10 6:41 PM

and the republican plan is what?
other than bitch and moan some more.
I've been saying all along,they haven't presented a plan.They want unrestrained capitalism without social or democratic responsibility.Takeaway SS,medicare,disolve th EPA and the DoE and let everyone fend for themselves." Oct 18, 10 6:52 PM

and how many here agree with me?
" Oct 18, 10 6:55 PM

describe one comprehensive policy Altshuler has outlined.
One problem he has explained,in detail,a solution to." Oct 18, 10 7:26 PM

the key is cognitive bias-
"A cognitive bias is the human tendency to make systematic errors in certain circumstances based on cognitive factors rather than evidence. Such biases can result from information-processing shortcuts called heuristics. They include errors in statistical judgment, social attribution, and memory. Cognitive biases are a common outcome of human thought, and often drastically skew the reliability of anecdotal and legal evidence. It is a phenomenon studied in cognitive science and social psychology."

" Oct 18, 10 8:11 PM

Not all the stimulus money has been spent yet.
And if the stimulus was so bad,wh did Mitch McConel write 5 letrs asking for stimulus money fr projects in kentucky?McCain asked for money fo arizona?Bachmn asked for mney for Minnesota?

i the stimuluswas so bad,why ar so many repulicans against it in public but eg for it in private?

http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/02/republicans-oppose-stimulus-ask-for-money" Oct 18, 10 8:32 PM

waiting for that link to the the list of policies.
You made the claim,defend it." Oct 18, 10 9:31 PM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

extending the Bush tax cuts will add $3 trillion to the deficit .
Its hippocriticalto run o deficit reduction adsupport tax cuts that will add to the deficit." Oct 18, 10 9:38 PM

Altschuler, Bishop Will Take Part In Campaign Event On Thursday

I have no problem if some of my comments were removed;the mods have that right according to the terms of use I agreed to.The rules are basically the same on any message board.
I 'liked' your comments by mistake;but anyone here who has read mine know the difference between you and I,and they also know who posts closer to the truth, and who provides others with away to verify what they post.

Still waiting for a link to those specific policies you the republicans have; I don't expect to get anything because its going to be the same Bush-era song and dance recycled.The republicans don't have any new ideas, just the word NO.
" Oct 19, 10 7:39 AM

yeah, we know how consvatives feel about minorities,gays, or religions other than their own.
That's why its appropriate to call conservatives out on their bigotry.
They deserve it." Oct 19, 10 7:42 AM

Raucous Meeting Focuses On Fights At Southampton High School

The school and parents need to work together on this;some problems will persist (fighting over boyfriends and girlfriends) but the persistent problems need to be addressed.
Last year I was approached about participating in a 'bullying' task force,which would have been a group of parents,teachers and administrators meeting and discussing options to address the bullying problem.That idea should be expanded to cover all school violence. I'd be willing to work with the school in whatever capacity to help it get started,but we'll need the support of the entie community." Oct 19, 10 6:36 PM

Altschuler, Bishop Will Take Part In Campaign Event On Thursday

""I support efforts ... more to repeal Obamacare and will fight to repeal the Medicare Advantage cuts supported by Nancy Pelosi and Tim Bishop."

The republicans want to repeal 'Obamacare' (a label created on rw radio) and replace it with all the parts of 'Obamacare' that are now law. They wouldn't participate in its creation,but want to keep the best parts of it now that the democrats have done all the heavy lifting.
The medicare advantage cuts were to reduce subsidies to insurance companies that offered supplemental insurance.The money went back to seniors in the form of checks to cover prescription drugs,and they did not lose any benfits.

Everybody supports 'environmentally responsible' oil drilling,as long as it isn't in environmentally sensitive places like parts of Alaska or in national wildlife refuges or parks.
As far as nuclear power is concerned,look up the problems from the Shoreham nuclear power plant from the seventies,and exactly whet would we do with the spent nuclear fuel?
There is no such thing as clean coal,another myth propagated by the energy industry. Coal is one of the worst pollutant contributors there is." Oct 19, 10 7:10 PM

Many here will attest to the fact that we never had a problem communicating with Tim Bishop.
We can understand your problem communicating with him,thoug." Oct 19, 10 7:12 PM

Got a link to those policies?I've yet to see anyone link to a set of republican proposals that detail their plan.Probably because they either don't have one or are just recycling the Bush policies.
It's easy to throw stones when your candidate won't address wat his policies are exactly and in detail." Oct 19, 10 7:16 PM

Look up how the republican congress ran the house when they were in charge-shutting out democrats, holding votes open beyond the time limit to twist arms,not allowing democrats to submit amendments to bills-under delay it was run like a one party system.And Boehner was groomed by DeLay,even though DeLay didn't like him.We can't count on the republicans doing anything different-Boehner said so himself. Most of the people running for congress on the republican side aren't 'outsiders'-some have been in government longer than Bishop,in state legislatures or they ran for office before (like O'Donnel-she ran for the senate 3 times before) The assertion that the republicans and the tea party are running 'outsiders' is another myth being propagated just to get the pulicans back in power." Oct 19, 10 7:24 PM

we'll see what happens.I doubt the democrats will lose either the house or the senate.People are looking at the republican party and realising its full of loons." Oct 19, 10 7:26 PM

The right hates Alan Grayson because he exposed their true agenda." Oct 19, 10 7:31 PM

Raucous Meeting Focuses On Fights At Southampton High School

The school has had changes in administration at least 4-5 times in the last several years-pincipals,assistant principals,directors of Pupil services (the third in 4 years) and the suprintendant.There is no continuity in the administration and it is affecting discipline throughout the district as well as te morale of students,faculty and staff.It is developing into a major problem.
The scholl is responsible for informing the police of any threat to the students or faculty.That is a major failure in its obligation to the community;haven't they ever heard of Columbine?" Oct 19, 10 9:04 PM

Altschuler, Bishop Will Take Part In Campaign Event On Thursday

and where will Altshuler live if he's elected?Do you expect him to telecommute to congress?" Oct 19, 10 9:07 PM

The republicans voted together almost 100% of the time,and always against the peoples' interests." Oct 19, 10 9:08 PM

like I said,he exposed the rights' true agenda." Oct 19, 10 9:09 PM

and would you care to address the fact that the republicans refused to participate in creating legislation tto help solve problems and improve the economy?The party of NO
And it will be more of th same if republicans win big this election-they will still oppose any legislation proposed by democrats.You can see that by the way they oppose everything the democrats have accomplished and propose.More party of no,more gridlock,more blaming the democrats for the stubborness and lack of participation of the republicans." Oct 19, 10 9:36 PM

the rights' agenda is smaller government-to that end,they drive a wedge between the eople and the government,claiming to represent the true interests ofte people,but actually cultivate a mistrust of the government allowing them to take power and force their own agenda which supports corporate power and reducing the ability of the people to effect change that is necessary to advnce society.
Government is essential to provide for the common needs of the people.Though they professes to speak for everyone,the people who pursue this agenda use selective issues and policies to isolate and enlarge differences that force separation between them and hinder their ability to effectively participate in the process of government.
Conservatism demands conformity and is willing to accept single party rule to not only discourage diversity of ideas,but to forcefully prohibit it.Diversity of ideas promotes multiple approaches to complicated problems.
Concience,not conformity, defines America." Oct 19, 10 9:56 PM

Freedom is more than private value." Oct 19, 10 9:58 PM

as usual,your wrong.

"In fact, when the history of this administration is written, Obama's opening act is likely to be judged as more impressive than any president's — Democrat or Republican — since the mid-1960s. "If you're looking at the first-two-year legislative record," says Ornstein, "you really don't have any rivals since Lyndon Johnson — and that includes Ronald Reagan."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/220013" Oct 19, 10 10:04 PM

"Lack of participation by the Republicans”, are you kidding me?? You mean like the Democrats locking doors so that republicans couldn’t ... more participate in Health Care discussion. Plaaaeeese."

the republicans have been deadbeats.Your supporting a party that has not participated in the legislative process in at least 2 years,
The party of no is the party of deadbeats,collecting taxpayer money and not doing their job.
" Oct 19, 10 10:07 PM

then why is the riht so preoccupied with private freedom?" Oct 19, 10 10:12 PM

of course you don't.You won't face the fact that the republicans haven't participated in the forming or passing of any important legislation in the last couple of years.
Run away. " Oct 19, 10 10:14 PM

your wrong again.
Here's the popular voe totals-
(Updated 12/2001)

Candidate (Party Label) Popular Vote Total
Percent of Popular Vote

Al Gore (Democrat) 50,999,897

George W. Bush (Republican) 50,456,002

Ralph Nader (Green) 2,882,955

Patrick J. Buchanan (Reform/Independent) 448,895

Harry Browne (Libertarian) 384,431

Howard Phillips (Constitution) 98,020

John S. Hagelin (Natural Law/Reform/Independent) 83,714

Write-In (Miscellaneous) 20,767*

James E. Harris, Jr. (Socialist Workers) 7,378

L. Neil Smith (Libertarian) 5,775

David McReynolds (Socialist) 5,602

Monica Moorehead (Workers World) 4,795

None of These Candidates (Nevada) 3,315

Cathy Gordon Brown (Independent) 1,606 .00

Denny Lane (Vermont Grassroots) 1,044 .00

Randall Venson (Independent) 535

Earl F. Dodge (Prohibition) 208

Louie G. Youngkeit (Independent) 161

Total: 105,405,100*

" Oct 19, 10 10:30 PM

taxes are lower than they've been in years.
And debt wasn't a problem for the right until Obama became president." Oct 19, 10 10:31 PM

Taxes are lower than they've been in years.
Lower taxes aren't always in the peoples interest,especially when we have crumbling infrastructure and rising poverty.The right-all of the right-has no social concience ad is only interested in getting paid by having lower taxes." Oct 19, 10 10:35 PM

we're not the ones repeating the mantra-from your previous posts-
"Phil, sure, for clarity, it is the party of HELL NO. More debt and spending isn't the answer. "
"Phil, That says nothing about the "rights agenda" (which would be lower taxes and lower debt). "
"none of which Tim Bishop is interested in with his support of massive debt and taxes. "
"Taxes are sky rocketing"

(no,they're not.)
"Value is more than private freedom. "
"The Democrats have nothing but failed policies to offer. More spending - more debt- more taxes.."

your the one who keeps bringing up taxes and spending.These quotes are just from this thread.
hippocracy much?

" Oct 19, 10 10:44 PM

There you go-I post something that refutes what you said and you try to back away from it. Bush did not win by 537 electoral votes,since that is what you said he won by-
"Peoplefirst, By Gore's own recount rules Bush won by 537 votes.."
so are you talking about electoral votes or popul;ar votes?I posted the totals for popular vote and it shows that Gore won the popular vote.And since there are only 538 electoral votes up for grabs,somewhere you got it very wrong." Oct 19, 10 10:49 PM

read my post about the right wing agenda-your comment is a perfect example of what I said about creating division between government and the people.The far right wing agenda lives!!!" Oct 19, 10 10:51 PM

actually,the closeness of the race triggered an automatic recount-
"When the initial count was completed on November 18, Franken was trailing Coleman by 215 votes.[4][5] This close margin triggered a mandatory recount"

when th voteere re-counted,Franken was determined to be the winner

But then-

"On January 6, 2009, Coleman's campaign filed an election contest and on April 13, a three-judge panel dismissed Coleman's Notice of Contest and ruled that Franken had won the election by 312 votes
Coleman’s appeal of the panel's decision to the Minnesota Supreme Court was unanimously rejected on June 30,[11] and he conceded the election.[12] Al Franken was sworn in as the junior Senator from Minnesota on July 7, 2009.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008" Oct 19, 10 11:01 PM

so the tax increase is the result of Bush policy.what you want is another tax cut along the same lines,which is what the dems have proposed,minus the tax cut for the top earners.The dems would be glad to give that,but the republicans won't do it without extending the tax cuts for the richest.
Actually,extending the tax cuts will add tom the debt-about 3 trillion dollars-so if they expire,there will less additional debt ccrued.Let them expire.The additional tax revenue can then be applied toward paying down the debt your all unhinged about.

" Oct 19, 10 11:15 PM

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled

the right doesn't want to pay taxes.They want a free ride.
Why do they hate the government?I posted some thoughts on it in the other article and called them out on their obsession with taxes.
The right doesn't want to pay for societal necessities-they just want to freeload

" Oct 20, 10 7:37 AM

you don't give a rats ass about children,your only using that argument to support your tax cut argument.If you really cared about kids yo'd support education head start and anti-poverty programs.Instead,the right wants to pay off the debt by attacking social programs and education which will target a narrow portion of the population who need those services more than anyone needs a tax cut. The right isn't serious about reigning in the deficit because they aren't willing to admit that the sacrifices that need to be made will cost.

Nobody likes paying taxes,but if the right is really serious about paying down the debt and sharing sacrifice-something they rant on all the time-let all the tax cuts expire and apply the revenue toward the debt.Everybody sacrifices,everybody contributes." Oct 20, 10 8:12 AM

well,its that the attention span thing.When you depend on one-way media for your talking points it tends to dull the mind." Oct 20, 10 8:14 AM

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