Southampton College's financial problems had to do with incredible revenue shortfalls and no amount of cutting could fix that. Very different scenario from Southampton.
Under Heaney's time, the tax revenues of Southampton went through the roof because of the unprecedented real estate boom, escalating real estate taxes and mortgage taxes that nearly doubled during Heaney's time. He just spent it all and then some ending up in massive deficits and a decimated Reserve fund.
Heaney just spent all the money like a drunken sailor, and the result was disaster. When revenues are strong and rising, you should end up with surpluses. Heaney's deficits ended up in near insolvency for the town and massive layoffs and forced retirements." Mar 15, 11 1:22 AM
Frank Wheeler: Do not feel compelled respond to Dagdavid's assertions as none of them have any substance or evidence behind them - just unsubstantiated opinions.. You have a point that to a certain extent (a very small one) Kabot had some culpability for not overseeing the accounting and financial shenanigans apparently perpetrated by Heaney and his "super CPA" Comptroller Charlene Kagel as extensively reported by forensic accountants FTI.
But if you are to assign minor culpability to Kabot, you need to do the same thing to Chris Nuzzi (Heaney's rubber Board stamp all those years), Anna TH, and Nancy Graboski who were all Council persons during Heaney's unspeakable reign.
The fact is these false financial statements were concealed by a trained CPA controller who knew better and a Supervisor who wanted to run on no tax increases, from the Board. I saw ATH herself say in a Town Board meeting discussing these accounting outrages that she had absolutely no idea that these things were going on because all the documents submitted to her by the Comptroller showed everything was just peachy!
It is evident from findings from the forensic accountants that nobody else on the Board knew of the illegal status of the financial statements (unreconciled account transfers, etc.) Those are the facts - everything else is unfounded political posturing!" Mar 18, 11 3:03 PM
JimmyK: This is my last post on this thread as the arguments have become circular and unproductive . A little research from the archives of the four Hamptons newspapers including this one show all the reports from the forensic accountants state that the offending problems occurred from 2003 to 2007, none under Kabot's time, without exception.
The fact is there is all the problems, the mess, were there when she took over. There is absolutely no report from anywhere that she originated one single financial scandal. All the scandals were uncovered in her time and she put in place a balanced budget and a 2010 budget that cut the 2009 one by almost $5 Million.
Largely as a result of these revelations, and the policies put in place during her administration to prevent similar events, along with a finally balance budget after all the deficits in Heaney's time, Moody's upgraded the credit rating of Southampton from Negative Watch to a high investment grade rating of Aa2. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT WAS RELEASED BY MOODY'S LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AFTER HER DEPARTURE.
IF THE TOWN'S FINANCES WERE STILL A MESS AND THERE WAS NO CONFIDENCE IN THE CONDITION OF THE BOOKS AND RECORDS, NO SELF RESPECTING RATING AGENCY WOULD UPGRADE THE RATING. After financial and accounting scandals, rating agencies just do not easiy hand out high investment grade ratings. That's my backup.
Jimmy, where's yours?" Mar 18, 11 8:01 PM
You can do whatever it is you want to do. But to be productive and make sense, simply back up your claims, not just say you have facts, that never get logically supported. " Mar 19, 11 1:20 AM
REG REP may be given to some passionate expressions but what she says is unassailable that none of the opposing posters here can debunk! HERE ARE THE FACTS FOR THOSE NOT TOO LAZY TO REVIEW PAST S PRESS ARTICLES ON THE TOWN BUDGETS OR TOO DENSE TO UNDERSTAND BUDGET MATTERS!
1)After a doubling of the budget expenditures under Heaney for four or so years, the budget under Kabot was frozen during her first year as Supervisor after she started uncovering the accounting shenanigans!
2)In her second year Kabot got to work and in October 2009, presented and Reg Rep says, a 2009 budget that reduced for 2010 the udget by almost $5 Million, the largest reduction of the budget in Southampton history!
3)A month later ATH raises the Kabot budget by almost $2 Million which became the official 2010 budget expenditures.
4)For the 2011 budget amidst all the layoffs and misery in Southampton, se proposed a budget in October raising yet again the budget by almost $2 Million for 2011. The Rpublicans objected, and that resulted in a budget cut!
FACTS, NOT POLEMICS! Taking credit for work by previous Supervisors should be outlawed at Town Hall." Apr 7, 11 1:41 PM
N Tiger: Southampton, a relatively small town, obviously never needed a Police Commissioner, which is why when the fiscal deficits mounted, that job was the first to be defunded.
If you talk to Town Hall insiders, you would know that the Commissioner's position over the Police Chief, was strictly a Skip Heaney creation because he despised Chief Overton and wanted to put his man over him to neuter the Chief!
Heaney never cared about the extra $200K + the redundant Commissioner would be paid since we know Heaney's insane spending spree in office was totally out of control as documented by the forensic accountants who reconstructed the Town Hall accounting (or lack thereof under Heaney)." May 3, 11 11:28 AM
Westend, if you're basing that statement on this article's posts, keep in mind that many of the posts here are from the hilarious and obvious PBA bloggers, especially Pat Aube's. They are so predictable.
Everything about the out of control PBA compensation system is just peachy fine and should be increased." May 3, 11 11:45 AM
This is the Village that has virtually no crime to police, with an out of control Police Dept where the Chief (who supervises a grand total of 6 cops), makes over $200,000, significantly more than Chief Ray Kelley of NYPD with supervision of 26,000 cops who who really deal with crime of every imaginable kind!
With so much time on their hands, the cops interfere and sabotage political contests, harass citizens with bogus traffic violations that easily get thrown out of court (the jury took no more than 90 minutes to dismiss all charges except going through a stop sign - who hasn't ,especially at night). I never saw pedestrians who almost got run over as claimed.
And scheming with other cops like PBA head Aube who was caught lying as he had to contradict his own lies about not calling Throne Holst around midnight. We need a separate Police force to protect us from these kinds of scheming, lying cops. To wit: " WE GOT HER!" That says it all, CASE CLOSED!
GIVE 'EM HELL LINDA!" May 4, 11 6:14 PM
These people in the STPD Police Dept you're referring to have an ax to grind and are hardly objective because "these people" are surely the PBA rank and file who have detested their superior officers since they rightly bolted from the PBA to form their own organization. Superior officers ARE MANAGEMENT!" May 4, 11 9:26 PM
Double Standard: You are mostly right but forgot the members of the most rabid conspirators against Kabot - the most arrogant Town employees, the PBA cops who are the underlying source of of this stupid travesty as they desperately tried to unseat Kabot and install their lovely mascot Anna Throne Holst!
It is no surprise that those stupid WHB cops called Pat Aube, then PBA President to inform them of their trophy, a fraternal celebration that in their minds officially installed their Mascot as the new Supervisor.
And in a similar instance of strupidity, Pat Aube vehemently denies he ever got such a call and of then calling ATH to inform her of their victory; only to be exposed during the trial of lying through his teeth and admitting getting the call and immediately informing Throne Holst!
Of course the Queen Mascot also lies when queried by the Press and the public and a sitting Supervisor, Queen Throne Holst,
is exposed as lying as well during the trial and suffers the embarrassing ignominy of being known as a liar, putting herself on the same level as the WHB cops and Pat Aube!
Why the PBA hatred for Kabot? She discovered in her first year the Deficits Heaney left the Town, froze Town hiring, and tried to reduce costs and pull the STPD in line, which were the biggest producer of the deficits amongst all the Town departments.
To save money, she suggested the retirement of "overstaying" over 20 year PBA veterans on the force to cut the department deficits (Highhatsize has documented this always opposed by the PBA bloggers), and thus commenced the start of shameful PBA abuse of Kabot evident even in Town Board meetings, highlighted by the bullying performances of Pat Aube. These egregious behavior were recorded faithfully by SEA TV in all their disgusting glory!
" May 6, 11 4:01 PM
"By the way, observant, you and your husband forgot about the rabid, right-wing fringe that simply cannot stand that Throne Holst beat Kabot. It drives you wingnuts mad! Just listen to the way you refer to Anna and then you turn around and accuse everyone else of being an "angry lot"? HAH! Freaking hilarious."
Ah Razza, wrong again as usual. You will never be able to show a quote of mine accusing anyone of being angry (lot). I am aware of the civic role of these blogs which are:
1)to allow regular citizens to blow off steam from frustration from insane, self serving and anti-community political decisions and
2) TO BE THE SOURCE OF MUCH (NOT ALL) REAL INFORMATION OF THE SHENANIGANS GOING ON IN THE TOWN NORMALLY HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW. AND AS ONE WHO HAS LIVED HERE FOR DECADES, I HAVE BEEN WITNESS TO MORE SHENANIGANS THAN A TOWN SHOULD BE EXPOSED TO. AND THIS CASE IS ONE OF THEM!!!!!
Are all believable? Hardly. But when one knows the players' proclivities, one can tell which are real as you can use information and see if it fits all the other known facts as the truth usually fits into a puzzle. False propaganda is usually exposed because it contradicts other known facts and quickly jettisoned as absurd.
And as for your Mascot Anna, she has told many friends and is so well known among many, that she believes that without Kabot's false arrest (yes that was the jury's determination) and overnight jail stay (the neanderthal WHB cops really larded it on with jail detention to paint her as a common criminal), SHE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LOST TO KABOT!!!
So enjoy it as what goes around comes around. You all just lost in a Court of Law, not in the exposed PBA kangaroo court. That is what is "freaking hilarious", Razza.
" May 7, 11 1:37 PM
Razza, your observations are right on point. If one has been here for decades, she would know that the reason for many "Blanks" and "independents" is that Southampton has been controlled for decades by the Republican machine - from businesses, the Planning Board, Town Hall bureaucracy, Town Hall hiring, legal connections to get things done at the ZBA Board, etc, etc.
So if one were to make a living in this town, like Brad Bender does, and many people like like, he can't be identified as a Democrat or else life becomes too hard. That's just the way it has been.
Someday, hopefully, people can understand that we're all in this together and political affiliations won't matter anymore. But that requires bright people, who transcend their parochial, petty, small town mentalities, who finally realize it doesn't matter whether you're Democrat, Republican, Tea Party, or whatever else! It's the intelligence and relevance of what you say. And that ain't happening any time soon." May 18, 11 9:19 AM
Integrity Party: You said it right. Nancy Graboski is the bright light of the Republican Party and the Town, who almost has as much support in the Democratic Party as she does in the Republican Party. She coulf have been the independent unifying force in southampton.
he has Solid integrity, with the town's best interests at heart regardless of party affiliation. She could have been Anna's ace in the hole to get progressive legislation and initiatives done and her two years could have been productive instead of the mixed martial arts tournament disaster it has been, with venom and bile flying almost at every Town Board meeting. Tremendous lost opportunity which could have been achieved by a good, inclusive Supervisor.
Instead, from her very first month, Queen Anna started her political shenanigans, pulling good Graboski Board resolutions off the agenda repeatedly, understandably, which although approved by the Town attorney, would be rejected for discussion by getting ATH3, the Comptroller (from highhatsize's logic), to withold her signoff. Tamara actually admitted she had no problem with some resolutions but was ordered to (in the guise of having Nancy discuss it further with the Queen). It's all there in SEA TV, February 2010 for all to see.
Those episodes caused the very first Nancy outbursts against Anna which we have never seen in her long career at Town Hall, a woman outraged by shameless political machinations by Anna. Nancy found it repugnant and was visibly repelled, a very different Nancy from the mild mannered, classy lady we all knew and respected.
And thus began the Republican/Conservative circling of the wagons to oppose the clearly political and destructive governing style of Anna that began the shameful administration of the Queen, ensuring a totally wasted year. If you can't have a respectful relationship with Nancy, THERE'S SOMETHING CLEARLY WRONG WITH YOU!
And this is nothing new with Anna. Those who know her know about the trail of train wreck relationships she has had with her close associates, friends, and people she has worked with, a wasteland of angst and hurt.
But the Democrats, so unable to develop political talent in this Town are stuck with her, with no viable alternative, an organizational failure. The talented Bridget, appearing so intimidated by Anna that she has fashioned herself as ATH2 (highhatsize's lexicon), a disappointment to her supporters, and a definite boon to Republicans. C'est la vie.
" May 18, 11 10:01 AM
They should just leave Nuzzi alone to do what he is comfortable in doing. A reluctant candidate is a prescription for failure. This is symptomatic of the ugly developments in Southampton politics that have taken a turn for the worse.
The Republican Party does a weak imitation of Tammany Hall with orders handed down by Thor to its political minions with implicit threats for non-compliance.
Anna tries to support her decision to deny Tenaglia an appointment as Chief by putting the East End PBAs right behind the Town Board for a photo op imitation simulationg an SS Nazi convention, unwittingly giving the vision that it was a PBA diktat from on high, ensuring that they remain the highest paid employees in one of the easiest police enforcement counties in the country!
The PBA gets caught in the Kabot trial brazenly lying about the events surrounding the arrest and jailing overnight of the sitting Supervisor, a conspiracy so heinous it was thrown out by the jury before one can say LAWSUIT MATERIAL!
These are sick developments that are destroying what small town politics ought to be - a respectful discussion of issues that affect the majority of working men and women in the Town. IT HAS BECOME A SICKENING CIRCUS!
Voters need to wake up and take back their town from what has become the political establishment THAT HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT INCREASE TOWN TAXES REPEATEDLY WHILE FAILING TO PROVIDE BASIC SERVICES LIKE GOOD POTHOLE FREE ROADS AND WELL CLEARED STREETS AFTER SNOWSTORMS IN WINTER.
Throw dem bums out! " May 21, 11 10:19 AM
I strongly disagree. Southampton Town, although changing with a greater influx in the last seven to eight years of sophisticated liberal Democrats from Manhattan that has shown up in a great increase of registered Democrats, is still a Republican/
Conservative town! Demographic changes will assure that demographic trend continues. But for now, they still control the Town Board, and Town decisions, just as they have for many years!
But, considering the Republican/Conservative edge (now narrow as it is since a lot of the growing Independents/Blanks are really Democrats who feel they still cannot be known as Democrats for various reasons) like the Supervisor angling for Conservative developers' money), Kabot, Graboski, and Nuzzi i feel certain would have handed Anna her head.
THE PROBLEM? THE CURRENT AXIS OF SKIP HEANEY AND WRUCK DETERMINED IN THE LAST DECADE TO TURN SOUTHAMPTON INTO BROOKHAVEN EAST, PRECIPITATING THE GREATEST FISCAL CRISIS IN SOUTHAMPTON'S HISTORY! They have totally overwhelmed the more progressive forces in the Republican Party turning it into a pathetic, Keystone Cops outfit. The Republican Party knows it, Nuzzi knows it, Graboski knows it, Kabot knows it, and Seaman knows it - AN ABBOTT AND COSTELLO SHOW, AND NOW NO ONE WANTS TO MAKE IT THE THREE STOOGES PARTY! Ergo, no takers to run for Supervisor!
Just look what farce they turned it into. Republicans used to be known for discipline! Yet when Heaney destroyed the Town's finances in the middle of the greatest revenue boom in its history, Kabot runs against him for his obvious misdeeds and wins the primary, this tandem decide to break the party apart by running Heaney as a Conservative competitor to the Republicans' will!
They likewise conspired against Cannuzio and undermined him at every turn! When Graboski refused to play their Brookhaven games, they attacked her and subjected her to unmentioanable personal threats like they were Tammany Hall leaders crushing a political pipsqueak! And they couldn't even pull that off as Graboski and Kabot trounced them with ease!
These are losers and they know it, which is why when they tried to pit Heaney against Schneiderman recently, they got a furious pushback from the rank and file and the general public. Schneiderman was salivating at the prospect of a match Heaney!
So they quietly withdrew Heaney's name.
To avoid future disasters, Republicans need to take back their party from these destructive interlopers who have ruined them. The sight of a Party Chairman asking anyone interested in Southampton to run for Supervisor to contact him ASAP is Looney Tunes, laughable, rank amateurish and should make every self respecting Republican wear masks when they attend the next Republican meeting!
" Jun 9, 11 11:51 PM
HSA: Many things, some undisclosed and utterly insane, have to be touched. For example, Town employees, including the Police, only have to work for the Town for 10 years and they become vested with LIFETIME HEALTH BENEFITS.
Not even the best corporate employee benefits in America such as cash cows Google and Microsoft would dare offer such an irresponsible program, especially when health benefit costs are escalating at 17-25% per year.
What's going on? The Southampton Town bureaucracy is the exclusive hiring hall of a particular party and town jobs and benefits are the best perks for their membership. That is why people don't talk about it!
If they start talking reform as it is obviously needed, let's see if the noisy but empty politicians do the right thing." Jul 24, 11 12:12 AM
The Independence Party, time and time again, has shown itself to be an unprincipled and Platformless party that serves absolutely no redeeming social purpose beyond enhancing the ego of a megalomaniac political knave, Frank McKay. IT STANDS FOR NOTHING, IT HAS NO OBJECTIVES WITH ANY REDEEMING SOCIAL VALUE, SUPPORTS A CANDIDATE IT SPEAKS HIGHLY OF ONE DAY AND DROPS THE SAME CANDIDATE ON ANOTHER FOR ANOTHER WITH DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED VIEWS - IN SHORT, A FLAMING POLITICAL FARCE AMONG OTHER THINGS!
Historically in Southampton, it has attracted candidates who are really conservative who couldn't stomach the corrupt Tammany Hall rogues of the Southampton Republican Party who presided over the greatest increase of spending and compensation benefits of Town Hall and the Police Dept while hypocritically spreading the gospel of cutting government spending that brought the Town to financial ruin in the previous decade; it has also attracted crypto Democrats who for many reasons couldn't be seen as one in a Town solidly controlled by Republicans for decades, and those who simply despised both parties.
IT IS A PARTY WHOSE RAISON D'ETRE IS NOT TO ADVANCE THE LIVES AND WELFARE OF CITIZENS, THE SINE QUA NON OF ANY LEGITIMATE POLITICAL PARTY, BUT TO SERVE A NEGATIVE PURPOSE AS A REFUGE FOR PEOPLE SEEMINGLY WITHOUT A CHOICE.
In other words, a negative vote rather than a positive one that has been hijacked for the personal aggrandizement of an unprincipled man! WHAT A JOKE - THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW!
TO THOSE POLITICIANS REGISTERED AS MEMBERS OF THE INDEPENDENCE PARTY, IT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS THAT YOU ARE NO BETTER, AS UNPRINCIPLED AS YOUR SINISTER LEADER, AND OUGHT TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE BY DECENT MEN AND WOMEN!!!!!
It is the political equivalent of a circus act or a three card monte game." Jul 29, 11 10:05 PM
These guys never ever learn, are financial illiterates, whose first reaction is always that of an economic simpleton. Imagine yourself as a man with no money, constantly in trouble, just ran up many years of deficits and kept on borrowing money presenting false financial statements to get the loans.
Imagine this man finally gets exposed that instead of having a pile of money (or Fund Balances) he had really been cooking his financial statements with his accountant to hide massive losses and deficits. Because the man has a sugar mommy (the taxpayer willing to fund all his profligacy) that agreed to guarantee even more loans to partially reduce the deficits.
He now goes to the bank again and asks his sugar mommy to guarantee more loans because he saw well priced real estate land he would like to buy (that he can't presently afford) without having cured those massive deficits and now has a financial crisis to face (tax cap) and you can understand the hideous financial acumen and priorities of these public servants who reside in La La land always glad to take tens of millions of new debt like some coke addict that simply has to get his hands on some BLOW!
TO THE TOWN BOARD: BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO COMMIT THE TOWN AND ITS TAXPAYERS TO MORE AND MORE DEBT, FIX YOUR FINANCIAL AFFAIRS FIRST AND ACT LIKE YOU HAVE SOME SENSE LEFT!" Aug 4, 11 7:56 AM
This only proves that Highatsize was so impeccably on point all these years, in spite of the lies the innumerable PBA posters and their friends and relatives have been posting calling the HHS points pure lies in their attempts to continue the fiscal abuse by the PBA of taxpayers!
In time Truth like cream rises to the top!" Sep 21, 11 2:32 PM
I have suddenly gained tremendous respect for ATH for finally turning her back on her past policies which seemingly refused to acknowledge the depth of the problem. She finally seems to mean business - FINALLY - instead of playing stupid small town politics.
I commend her new found epiphany to no-brainer fiscal imperatives and wish
the rest of the Town Board will follow suit! I am encouraged by the comments of Nuzzi to also address reality. So Town Board, stand up and be counted with ATH's difficult political decision and do something for the taxpayers !
Other than the PBA abuses, one of the most horrendous union abuses is UNBELIEVABLY GRANTING LIFETIME HEALTHCARE BENEFITS TO TOWN EMPLOYEES AFTER ONLY 10 YEARS OF SERVICE. THAT IS ALMOST CROOKED. THIS NEEDS FIXING!
What makes it almost criminal is that many Southampton taxpayers in the private sector who have been working in a company for over 10 years don't even have healthcare benefits anymore, let alone LIFETIME HEALTHCARE BENEFITS!
WHAT IS IRONIC IS AFTER TWO YEARS AND ALL THE ATTACKS, ATH HAS INCARNATED HERSELF INTO LINDA KABOT IN 2011. IF YOU ALL RECALL AS CHRONICLED IN THE PRESS' BACK ISSUES, KABOT MOVED TO MAKE 20 YEAR POLICE VETERANS RETIRE AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW TO BALANCE THE BUDGET (ATTACKED BY GROSS PBA PITBULLS IN TOWN BOARD MEETINGS WITHOUT SHAME), PRESENTED EXACTLY A $5 MILLION BUDGET CUT FOR THE 2011 BUDGET THAT ATH OPPOSED AND INCREASED, AND PROPOSED FURLOUGHS FOR TOWN EMPLOYEES.
ATH, I STILL COMMEND YOU FOR THE TRANSFORMATION AND COURAGE, EVEN IF YOU SIMPLY DUSTED OFF LINDA KABOT'S 2010 BUDGET. WE SHOULD ALL GIVE CREDIT WHEN CREDIT IS DUE." Sep 21, 11 3:05 PM
"In Addition, why *IS* it so "chilling" to you to see officers in their uniforms? They are here to protect and serve, and they do a damn good job of that in this Town."
You and VOS are obviously PBA cops or related since you totally don't see the obvious as citizens see things. You downplay your thuggish intimidation tactics against the Town Board when they don't see it your way such as your former bully President Pat Aube, on at least two occasions I witnessed in person as he shamelessly lambasted and and personally insulted the Supervisor, the highest official in the Town, abusing her like she was a common thief and a serial killer.
The was all captured in living color for all to see, a cruising cop waylaying a small defenseless and gentle speaking Supervisor in public subjecting her to the crassest vituperative language without any respect whatsoever for her office and those of the Council members. THAT'S WHO YOU ARE AND THE KIND OF INTIMIDATION YOU BRING AND YOU BACK IT UP OFF DUTY COPS IN FULL UNIFORM LIKE NAZI STORM TROOPERS.
WHEN YOU ALL WANTED TO REVERSE THE TOWN BOARD'S APPARENT DECISION ABOUT THE NEW POLICE CHIEF APPOINTMENT TO PUT IN YOUR CANDIDATE WHO WILL OWE HIS JOB TO YOU AND WILL BE BEHOLDEN TO YOU ON YOUR FUTURE DEMANDS, YOU AGAIN SEND IN YOUR INTIMIDATING BLUE SHIRTS EN MASSE LIKE A NAZI CONTINGENT AND PROCEED TO GET YOUR WAY.
DO NOT THINK CITIZENS ARE NOT OBSERVING CAREFULLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. MANY ARE FED UP WITH YOUR INTIMIDATION TACTICS THAT REQUIRE A LAW TO BE PASSED TO PROHIBIT IT SO THAT THE TOWN BOARD CAN DELIBERATE INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT ANY ISSUE WITHOUT BEING SUBJECTED TO THUGGISH VERBAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE FROM PEOPLE WHOSE MAIN JOBS ARE TO MAKE THEM FEEL SAFE!
" Sep 22, 11 10:28 PM
JH, you love to post utter falsehoods designed to snow the innocents, never mentioning any facts to support your assertions.
FACT: It was Skip Heaney who doubled Town spending to $82 Million while accumulating massive deficits (the biggest was the southampton Police Dept).
FACT: It was heaney who used Voodoo accounting through Charlene Kagel, that was exposed by Forensic accountants hired by the Town Board, to mask and hide the financial irregularities. These deficits were even incurred in a period of booming tax revenues which were the largest in Southampton's history, making these idiotic transgressions even worse! It was like Heaney won the lottery getting tens of millions and ending up bankrupt in 6 years.
FACT: It was Kabot who in her first year as supervisor who discovered the crisis and instituted a spending freeze to arrest the bleeding and work to discover the magnitude of the fiscal idiocies perpetrated.
FACT: It was Kabot the following year upon discovery of the magnitude of deficits who proposed a $5 Million cut in Town spending that ATH vociferously opposed but who now likewise proposes as her NEW brilliant solution to Southampton's fiscal woes this election year; precisely because ATH's previous positions were all so wrong and merely put us in a deeper hole. Nevertheless the new stance is welcome, better late than never!
FACT: Fiscally, we are no better today than two years ago when ATH took over, still struggling with empty coffers which is why she is now reverting to Kabot's solutions.
So Joe Hampton: You are entitled to your own opinion, however uninformed and misleading they may be; but you're not entitled to your own set of facts!" Sep 25, 11 11:44 AM
What $1 Million are you talking about that you can attribute to Kabot that she lost? Can you support that allegation? Be specific. In 2008 and 2009 before the forensic auditors provided their results, there were so many inaccurate figures because of Kagel's accounting that figures thought to be accurate and real turned out to be false and "disappeared" like the Town's Fund Balances.
In 2008, the Supervisor and Town Board were working with figures that they thought were real. In fact not just $1 Million in fund balances disappeared but over $10 Million which is why the Town's financial statements needed to be restated! They were Heaney fantasies he was selling to citizens and Wall Street.
I'm sorry to see you do not have the competence to see the relevance of Heaney in this financial debacle that you are attributing to Kabot. The facts are that Kabot was the heroic figure in this fiscal mess, provided the solution, which is why ATH is now copying the major Kabot solutions as her campaign material." Sep 25, 11 12:25 PM
Fidelis, you made 5 charges and conclusions above against Kabot but presented no proof that makes any sense - just a dazzling array of non-sequiturs and logical fallacies. It's lifted straight out of the Anna campaign playbook.
Let me dissect your unproven charges that are without any merit or credibility:
1)Kabot was the Chief Financial Officer/Supervisor so she was at fault. The forensic accountants noted that the problems occurred from 2002-2007, the years Heaney was the CFO and not Kabot. That was documented and so was the finding that no accounting misrepresentations were attributable to Kabot. You know that, I know that and if you deny it then present proof. Otherwise that is pure deception and you know it!
2)Kabot served as the admitted right hand of Republican supervisor Vince Cannuscio: So what? Cannuscio was never implicated in the false accounting, financial statements, and deficits by the forensic accountants. They were done in Heaney's and Charlene Kagel's time, not Cannuscio. Cannuscio is irrelevant here and if you disagree, then show proof and connect the dots that Cannuscio is to blame and by implication, Kabot. Otherwise, it is a transparent, dirty , unfounded campaign tactic to tar an opponent with garbage! Somehow I have a feeling you're a member of ATH's campaign staff.
3)Kabot was a Town Board member during the administration of Skip Heaney, and presumably you claim that she was at fault: Bad non-sequitur and logical fallacy. Fidelis, in early February 2009 when the Town Board was discussing the financial irregularities tha have been popping up showing Heaney and Kagel had been submitting false financial information that contained concealed Deficits in many departments and projects that were wiping out the Town's Fund Balances, ATH on TV remarked that the Town Board was in fact victimized by the false accounting, led to believe the Town had substantial reserves when in fact, they weren't even sure they would have enough Cash for the year.
So that ATH comment necessarily means that according to ATH, she and the other members including Kabot were misled, leading to approval of expenditures made because they believed the town had over $15 Million in reserves as reported by the CFO Skip Heaney and Kagel for years! One can't rationally blame anyone for approving projects supported by heavy amounts of Reserves and Fund Balances as even your candidate declared.
4)Linda herself served as Republican Supervisor after Heaney. What has that got to do with the price of lima beans in Peru? All the shenanigans discovered by the forensic auditors were under Heaney, absolutely none under Kabot. She supervised the reorganization of books and records in 2008 and 2009 under two different Comptrollers and proposed a structurally balanced budget with real figures! Your simpleminded attempt to tar Kabot with - "Heaney was a Republican Supervisor, Kabot was a Republican Supervisor, so therefore the two cooked the ooks together? Kabot never trusted Heaney and fought his shifty ways which is why Heaney despised Kabot, who was nobody's pushover. Your tactic to tar Kabot is primitive, simple minded, and laughable.
5)Kabot is guilty because she had an obligation to speak up against the mismanagement of Heaney and she didn't. Are you serious? The whole Town knew Kabot was very critical of Heaney who went so far as dislodge her and the other independent Republican Nancy Grabosky. Both fought back and ran primaries against Heaney's candidates and emerged triumphant, humiliating Heaney who was the Republican Head, and proceeded to beat Heaney not only with their fellow Republicans but with the town voters.!
Fidelis, you simply don't make any sense whatsoever.
" Sep 26, 11 10:33 PM
As Joseph De Maistre once said: "In a democracy, people get the government that they deserve". And the Southampto Town GOP Patronage cabal , long running the Town is ruthless as Nancy Grabosky and Linda Kabot found out if you try to follow your conscience and not their Diktats!
This is the Heaney/Wruck gang who took the greatest tax collection bonanza in Southampton history last decade and wasted it on god knows what and for whom, instead of spending it for the benefit of the Citizens and putting it away for the inevitable rainy day!
So instead of tens of millions of dollars in reserve, we ended up with massive Deficits, looted coffers, and no money to provide the many basic services like paved roads!
This Tammany Hall cabal has to go! " Sep 28, 11 4:27 PM
RealLocal, whoa, whoa, before you have a coronanary. Please support your statement with something intelligible instead of just your hysterics. If Kabot did nothing but mistakes, what is Anna doing presenting a carbon copy of Linda's main budget initiatives to fix the fiscal mess created by Anna's ally, Skip Heaney. To wit:
1)Cut $5 Million from the previous year's budget to lessen the load on the taxpayers in a crumbling economy.
2)Conform to Town Law that states that overstaying ( 20-28 years) $200K cops retire with full pensions and lifetime healthcare benefits (people will kill to have that) to help create a structurally balanced budget.
3)Reduce the obviously overbloated Town Hall staff that doubled in size in less than a decade and more than doubled Town budget ( while Heaney campaigned on the imperatives of LESS GOVERNMENT AND LESS SPENDING).
Those are the facts, RealLocal and available in back issues of the Southampton Press as well as online! Real Local, you are entitled to your opinions, but not your own set of facts as the old saw goes. Care to comment on these?
And your candidate Anna should realize (along with the Democratic Party that's being played for fools), that you are known by the company you keep, and your constantly caucasing with the Republican leadership Wruck and Heaney to this day in throwing Bridget Fleming under the bus (I heard for the second time; the first was two years ago when Anna threw her and Sally Pope under a bigger bus) on her own Independence Party's endorsement for Scalera (the Wruck/Heaney candidate) after being endorsed last year, just ain't kosher - all in exchange for keeping Kabot's name from the Republican Supervisor line.
These hideous shenanigans are causing the Republican Party to self destruct and splitting their constituencies apart. But fortunately for them, the Democratic organization is too inept and rudderless to take advantage of this Republican self immolation.
" Oct 13, 11 12:06 PM
It is difficult to find people who have worked closely with Linda who did not appreciate her hard work, dedication, fairness, and her consideration for what is right.
On the other hand, taking with those who have worked closly with ATH reveals many people repelled by her self seeking opportunism, deceit,
narcissistic underhandedness and outright untrustworthiness.
I know many are nodding their heads and laughing as they read this. C'est la vie. If not caught red-handed, the money would never be returned. Anna knows exacty what she is doing and Linda is just too smart and is renowned for her formidable and inspiring fighting spirit." Oct 16, 11 1:04 AM
Reg Rep, you are absolutely correct. She and her braintrust (is that an oxymoron?) are counting on uninformed people to hear and see the message repeatedly and not know the truth. It is Goebbel's MEIN KAMPH NAZI strategy that if you repeat propaganda lies over and over and over, it may be perceived as the truth. Unfortunately for the Germans, they found out the truth too late. Hopefully Southampton finds out in time.
But I've heard that most people in the know on her team know the truth and many have stopped defending her when confronted by the facts, especially the documented and recorded events (Southampton Press and SEA TV) that she simply stole Kabot's financial and budget ideas central to her campaign in 2009.
Anna, as the saying goes, "You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but............"." Oct 19, 11 12:21 PM
Razza, instead of your empty and flippant comments with no substance, how about engaging us in a point by point debate on our
solid and documented points. I especially love it when you try to emphasize the brilliance of your poits by a very definitive HAH!
Let's go Teabagger, show us what you've got." Oct 20, 11 9:43 PM
Rabblerouser, I love your incisive wit that just zeroes in on the truth behind all the Anna pretenions. Precious. She is in dire need of candor and integrity. She's hard wired differently, and if she believes she can get ahead by a nefarious deal that she can keep under wraps, she'll do it. But you know, Southampton is a very small town and everyone finds out.;and that deal she did at Scott Horowitz' house in a Republican event to jettison Bridget Fleming from the Independence line to put Scalera in exchange for making sure Kabot didn't get on the Republican line was just epic.
"What is more surprising is that Bridget Fleming, whose Indy endorsement Anna traded in for her "unchallenged " run, keeps tagging along like a good poodle.".
Bridget's supporters are aghast at how fawning and seemingly sycophantic she is with Anna who cannot even hold a candle to her, even though Bridget's always been kicked around by her, including her first run for Town Board (and she knows it). Bridget's lost a lot of supporters with this masochistic subservience who have concluded "she ain't the one"!" Oct 25, 11 11:54 AM
Rabblerouser, I for one feel blessed and privileged to be in a Town ruled by European royalty, Her Royal Highness Throne Holst. I recommend we allocate Town Budget funds to make Hollywood videos of Queen Anna so we can advertise her all over the world and invite other royalty like Princess Kate Middleton and the like to Southampton to compete with Monte Carlo and other towns in the Cote D'azur in the Summer.
Great tourist attraction I must say. And along the shabby CR39, we can put up stunning billboards of our own Princess running on the finest beaches of Southampton to excite the tourists. It will really spruce up the Hamptons to no end and jack up real estate values.
" Oct 28, 11 7:45 PM
Nonsense, Peoplefirst. Linda was a very late write in candidate (while Anna was fundraising over a year ago) and they almost always don't win unless they have a lot of money to match incumbents. She was not even on the Republican Line due to a deal Anna made with Wruck to keep the Republican line blank in exchange for Anna's dumping Bridget on the Independence line for Scalera.
And as for your narrative that Linda caused the ratings downgrade, your ignorance is breathtaking as it is something you can never defend. All the audits are clear that the problems and fund deficits and increases happened totally in Heaney's time in 2002-2007. And I challenge you to refute that with facts.
That is typical Anna Throne-Royalty who will never live down the Court proven confirmation of her being a liar in the DUI PBA conspiracy, complete with subpoenaed phone records of the 1:00am conversation between PBA Pay Aube and Anna.
Next time, Throne-Royalty will face a real Republican challenge on the Republican line.The disgracefully incompetent Wruck and Heaney are no longer so powerful as the Party has finally come to its senses." Nov 8, 11 11:45 PM
Linda did a poor job? She spent two years fixing the mess which netted the Town the credit upgrade six weeks after she left office. Towns get into huge holes like Southampton did over years of abuse and out of control spending like Heaney did from 2002- 2007.
In Linda's first year 2008, she instituted a hiring and spending freeze after Heaney's wild spending, and in 2009 had an audit completed that documented these Heaney fical abominations. Furthermore she produced a budget with a $5 million cut in spending inspite of escalating healthcare and pension costs which today is still in force, including her hiring freeze policy, except Anna had proposed to increase it (public information) until she was thwarted last year, albeit in a poor fashion.
Six weeks after Linda left, her two year labor to right the finances was rewarded by the rating upgrade, No idiot that Anna would have us believe, would think that a problem 6 years in the making would miraculously get solved in six weeks after she assumes office. It will take years as well to return the Town to where it was before. Anna is the crowing rooster taking credit for the sun rising in the morning.
And this year Anna adopted Linda's 2009 budget cornestones of Police retirements and $5Million cuts in spending, policies she vigorously opposed when presented in 2009 which is obviously an acknowledgement of Linda's correct policies and Anna's total lack of creative solutions!
As for fair and square, even Anna admitted to her friends that without that timely and phoney DUI charge that was so absurd the jury quickly threw it out, that she would probably have not won it the first time.
" Nov 9, 11 12:46 AM
Dodger: "She once said that Skip had taught her every dirty trick in the book and that she was going to use themDodger: "
Anna campaign operatives are so brimming with unsupported loose slander that are so irrational and illogical which when challenged, they never, ever back up with facts. They just throw them up against the wall and hope some stick with the innocents.
You talk as if Heaney was a mentor which is so laughable because everyone knows Cannuscio who despised Heaney, was her mentor and taught her about public service. The fact is that she protested (with Graboski) against Heaney's dirty tricks and even ran a Primary against him - AND WON!
And you slime Linda with the accusation that she said she was going to use every dirty trick in the book WHEN IT IS ANNA WHO IS A COURT PROVEN LIAR AND CONSPIRATOR IN HER DUI ARREST AND JAILING WHICH THE JURY SAW RIGHT THROUGH AND THREW OUT!
And it is also Anna who threw Bridget and Sally Pope under the bus in 2009 when no Democrat won any seat in the Town Council with Anna's dirty deal with Heaney that everyone in the Republican committee knows!
And it was also Anna who made a deal with the deposed Republican Party head Wruck to keep the Republican line Blank IN EXCHANGE FOR REMOVING BRIDGET FROM THE INDEPENDENCE LINE WHICH SHE HAD THE LAST TIME, THROWING BRIDGET UNDER THE BUS YET AGAIN AND SHE KNOWS IT!
You Anna political operatives are so stupid with your accusations that you are self contradictory and can never support. High school campaign managers will not stoop to the idiocy of your amateurish claims. Instead of falsely accusing Linda with charges that have been repeatedly challenged and you all can't back up, you should face up to the stunning weaknesses of your client who has been exposed in the last two elections as follows:
1)She is despised by a large portion of voters and HAS NO COATAILS. She couldn't bring up Bridget or Pope in 2009. She couldn't get fellow Independence partymate Bender in. Bridget, the Democratic shining star won INSPITE OF ANNA RUNNING INTERFERENCE!
2)She caused Brad's defeat: By putting Scalera in the Independence Line, she stole votes that would have gone to Bridget and instead went to Scalera, pumping up her vote count against Brad. In razor thin ending, a few votes here and there can decide the election. So Brad, you an thank Annafor your troubles, because she doesn't really care about you just her own victory however she can secure it.
3)She is making a mockery of the infirm Democratic Party that has lost its own self respect that it can only field one Democrat in this election cycle. If you're a Dem, SHAME ON YOU!
4)THIS IS REALLY A STUNNING VICTORY FOR LINDA AND A HUMILIATING ELECTION FOR ANNA! As weeks ago with virtually nan unopposed candidate on the ballot, Linda, a very late write in candidate just 6 weeks ago with no money with no Party backing thanks to Wruck and Heaney, and virtually no fundraising and no campaign funds, should have received no more than 5 or 10% of the votes. Instead, she blows through with more than 50% of Anna's votes, who had been campaigning and fundraising with big contributors (illegally as it turns out, talk about dirty tricks) for well over a year.
The three or four of you Anna campaign operatives should really be worried about Anna's future plans to run for US Congress, state office, or higher County office. as they say in Texas, "YOUR DOG DON'T HUNT"! " Nov 9, 11 1:17 PM
SayWhat: "On that note, I will say this. As far as being a liar, I believe that if Anna's intention was to say that she did not receive any phone calls re the DUI then she did in fact lie. I believe that IF she was consciously choosing her words carefully enough to say "no I did not receive a call saying "we got her"" (without actually saying "no I didn't receive any call at all) then she was making a political move which you may call sneaky or dishonest but do so with the understanding that this is a common occurence in politics and it is certainly not one that is exclusive to ATH, Independents, Democrats, anyone other then Republicans, etc."
Don't you have anything better to do than spew your laughable ninnyhammer
rationalizations of Anna's court exposed lies? It's so beyond retarded it's got me rolling in stitches!" Nov 17, 11 7:18 PM
Nuzzi, quick, answer the Officer!
" Nov 18, 11 9:49 PM
Sorry whatever your name is. Your post flies in the face of reality. Malone is simply trying to be fiscally responible in regard to the out of control spending of the Police Dept which was the biggest culprit in Heaney's financial disaster of the last decade.
On top of the massive fiscal deficits that Heaney orchestrated in his tenure was the Town Police Dept with accumulated Deficits of about $8 Million on top of the out of this world salaries, benefits, overtime, and pensions they already are receiving. And as taxpayers are getting laid off, suffering foreclosures, acutely downsizing their expenses and lives, the Police Dept keeps on demanding ever higher salaries and benefits.
WHEN ARE TAXPAYERS EVER GOING TO WAKE UP AND WHEN ARE POLITICIANS GOING TO PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN. WITH THE OBA BACKED SUPERVISOR FIRMLY IN PLACE, THAT WILL NOT BE ANYTIME SOON.
MALONE, WATCH YOUR BACK AND YOUR SPEEDOMETER, AS ANY DAY, EXPECT TO BE PULLED OVER BY SOME PBA NEANDERTHAL WHO WILL LOCK YOU UP IN JAIL AFTER CALLING ATH. BUT DON'T WORRY, THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND THE JURY WILL IMMEDIATELY THROW OUT THE CASE!
" Nov 19, 11 10:35 AM
Definitely not true sir! The Police deficits were cash deficits from spending that went unnoticed over several years because as the forensic auditors said, the fund accounting during that period was a shambles and had no relation to reality.
Heaney believed that if no one could figure out how the books stood, who's going to find out anything.
UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER THE TAXPAYERS HAVING HAD TO SPEND CLOSE TO $1.5 MILLION IN FORENSIC ACCOUNTING FEES JUST TO RECONSTRUCT THE MICKEY MOUSE BOOKS AND RECORDS HEANEY INFLICTED ON THE PEOPLE (TOTALLY DOCUMENTED IN DISGUSTING CLARITY BY THE FORENSIC AUDITORS) WE FOUND OUT THE PAINFUL TRUTH!
For you to claim the Police Dept had absolutely nothing to do and never benefitted from the $8 Million deficits, I have a bridge to sell to you in NYC - really cheap and a wonderful value. " Nov 19, 11 6:07 PM
Oh you poor dear Lifesaver, you can't even read a newspaper properly. But of course, 5 straight years of Heaney fiscal mismanagement resulted in the huge budget deficits that caused the $8 Million Police Deficit. Town officials were in control and could have stopped the checks the Police were writing but didn't. That was Heaney's and Charlene Kagel's job pointed out by the forensic auditors.
That didn't mean or say that the Police didn't spend any of that $8 Million as you imply - THEY DEFINITELY DID! Your alleged quote of the Press doesn't say that the Police didn't spend any of that money did it?
If you say it did, then I challenge you to prove it in black and white to show the people you are encouraging to read it. In fact, since you make that claim, show where in the audit report that it says specifically that the Police had not spent any of that huge deficit! And this time, provide a link so people can see the document. Do I hear a lot of crickets?
On second thought, I withdraw the bridge offer to Spinny in favor of an easier sale. I am instead offering you a better deal on that spiffy bridge, a 25% discount in the spirit of Christmas. You can surely sell it easily for double before New Year! Well?
" Nov 20, 11 12:05 AM
Lifesaver, my challenge for you to provide documented statements that none of those deficits were expenditures of the Police Dept,. remain unanswered.
They either were or they weren't. You either produce them or they don't exist." Nov 20, 11 4:40 PM
Wrong again, Lifesaver. You responded first to this comment of mine to Spinny:
"For you to claim the Police Dept had absolutely nothing to do and never benefitted from the $8 Million deficits, I have a bridge to sell to you in NYC - really cheap and a wonderful value. "
So please prove that the Police had nothing to do with the $8 Million expenditures and they never benefitted from the money! You are just parsing words. If you can't provide proof, you can't. Your sophomoric persiflage and equivocation is simply juvenile and annoying.
Unless you can provide the proof to answer my comments, this is my last post on this increasingly futile matter." Nov 21, 11 12:55 AM
Spinny, I've repeated my challenge several times in black and white and it equally goes to you. You know the terms of my challenge and you either answer it or you don't!" Nov 22, 11 11:50 AM
fcmcmann: You have a long history of muddled illogical thinking and ignorance . In the basic principles of argumentation and debate, it is fundamental that he who asserts must prove! Spinny and Lifesaver have made repeated assertions about the absolute innocence of the Police Dept in those expenditures, speciously using supposed specific forensic auditor finddings.
I merely asked them to prove the Police Dept had absolutely nothing to do with those deficit expenditures! I'm waiting and waiting and waiting, and all I hear are crickets in the dark of night.
" Nov 22, 11 12:59 PM
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