I understand that. I was responding to Walt who said "Don't let them build on it either."
How do you legally tell a property owner we've decided they can't build on it? " Oct 6, 10 4:19 PM
No a PDD is not a right.
I have heard all sorts of wonderful plans for what could be done on the east side of the canal. Buy it with CPF funds and make a park; switch it for another (less valuable) piece of land somewhere else in town; take it by eminent domain; allow the Rechlers to building housing in WH by their project there. All great ideas but it doesn't seem that any are grounded in reality.
The property owner has rights and they are legally allowed to build on the properties, with or without a PDD." Oct 6, 10 4:27 PM
That is the problem, without the PDD there is no room for negotiation. A year round restaurant would be nice.
Of course a few years back there was a thought on having a warf on the canal with shops, similar to Gosman's. That was an unpopular idea with some. Now it seems that it should have been considered." Oct 7, 10 11:49 AM
Mr. Manarel was a wonderful man and shall be greatly missed. Sympathies to his family." Oct 15, 10 10:29 AM
Why wouldn't they demolish the building? Then they can go ahead and build on both sides of the canal. Sure, perhaps they won't get as much as they want, but they can cut their losses and move on." Oct 21, 10 9:14 AM
All of them?" Oct 21, 10 9:23 AM
Not sure selling would be the quickest way to cut their losses. The real estate market isn't exactly booming.
They can build alot more than a restaurant on the properties. " Oct 22, 10 10:30 AM
Who ever said that they considered condos to be their "public benefit"? The benefit was the preservation and restoration of a historic inn.
We already have a park at the canal. Unless the ice skating rink is in operation I never see anyone using it. We need another park?" Oct 26, 10 10:35 PM
The food isn't up for debate here, the fact that there are too many cars parked on the road and on what is supposed to be a front lawn. This establishment has little to no parking. They knew that when they started the business. I am actually surprised they didn't complain sooner.
" Oct 29, 10 12:54 PM
It is on the canal right after you go under the sunrise bridge. Used to be the Cruiser Club. " Oct 30, 10 9:23 PM
Where did you hear this? " Oct 30, 10 9:28 PM
How is that possible?" Oct 31, 10 7:16 AM
I was wondering where someone was blaming the cops also. I guess that Diner reference?" Oct 31, 10 3:35 PM
Yikes, calm down. I understood that after a murder/shooting that there would be some sort of inquiry that would keep it closed for awhile. I don't think anyone is slamming "Uncle Carl". Let's face it most 60+ men are at home at 3:30 am. Matter of fact, most people are." Oct 31, 10 3:37 PM
"this was the first time some has been killed at the club"
Unlike the other clubs that have shootings all the time in HB? Is that the best thing that can be said for this dump?
Whether or not the owner is a nice man, doesn't change the fact that he operates poor establishments.
" Nov 1, 10 7:22 AM
Thanks for clearing that up. I knew there were licensing issues if someone is shot in an establishment such as this. Didn't understand how it was open again instantly.
" Nov 1, 10 11:52 AM
I gather from your reply that you were there. Was this poor man inside the building at the time or outside in the parking lot?" Nov 1, 10 1:04 PM
They ARE trying to get it preserved. If you feel this structure is important make your views known to the Town Board." Nov 1, 10 3:01 PM
Surely you understand the difference between a catering hall and a restaurant?
As for the Conscience Point Inn, I didn't think the Town could operate a catering hall. How was that building purchased? You are right, they should be doing something with it." Nov 1, 10 3:44 PM
Another catering hall? Where is a catering hall locally?
Sorry I don't have the same high opinion of the Tide Runners and of course it is only open 2 months a year.
Don't forget, one way or the other Tide Runners is history." Nov 1, 10 10:02 PM
The Rechlers own the property and have said that they will be taking down the buildings and rebuilding. Whether it is condos or building as of right, there will be all new construction on that property." Nov 2, 10 7:03 AM
My understanding is that if it is purchased with CPF funds they can not run it as a business. " Nov 2, 10 7:05 AM
The Rechlers own the property where Tiderunners is. They have the right to build, there is no "exchange for permission". The question is whether they preserve the Inn and build condos on the east side. Or they tear down on both sides and rebuild on both properties, and the piece they own on the other side of north rd." Nov 2, 10 7:08 AM
The plan is to build on both sides of the canal, on all three parcels of land. Whether they do that with a PDD or as of right, they have stated that the buildings will be taken down on the east side.
I don't see how the town can tell them that instead of building on a buildable lot they have to make a parking lot.
As of now nothing is being torn down until the town makes their decision." Nov 2, 10 3:15 PM
In this case the owner/developers are willing to restore the building. But, they want to be able to build more than as of right on their other piece of property on the east side.
Sad, someone finally listens to the pleas to save our landmarks, and the community changes their minds. " Nov 2, 10 6:44 PM
Let's hope not what?
The Rechlers will be demolishing what is on their property on the east side of town and rebuilding. This isn't a possibility, it is a fact." Nov 11, 10 6:09 PM
Yes that was the original plan but they have long since abandoned that idea. They would like to build Town Houses on their property on the east side of the canal. They would also restore the Inn both inside and out to be used as a catering hall. There would be caveats in place that would guarantee the work would be done on the Inn and it could not have a change of useage to anything other than a catering hall, etc.
If they are not allowed to build the condos on the east, they will build as of right on both sides of the canal, on the three parcels that they own." Nov 11, 10 6:32 PM
"Under the latest proposal made by the developers, the Rechlers said they would be willing to renovate both the interior and exterior of the building, transforming it into a catering hall, in exchange for securing permission from the town to build 40 condominiums on other properties that they own on the east side of Shinnecock Canal. "
This is from the above article." Nov 11, 10 6:33 PM
Which site in HB are you referring to?" Nov 11, 10 6:34 PM
There is a crosswalk & light at the Church. Surely you don't think there should be yet another light between the church & the Diner? When I drove past the man's car was still in the driveway. He had a right directional on. If she had walked down to a crosswalk he wouldn't have hit her. Too many cars to be jaywalking." Nov 17, 10 9:11 PM
There is a crosswalk at the church. I realize that it is tough for an elderly person but I am not sure that yet another stop light is going to help. You'll never get down Montauk & you'll have even more people running the lights. It's a bad spot" Nov 20, 10 10:36 AM
Why would it last one year? The owners are willing and able to restore the Inn completely. What is the down side to that?" Nov 25, 10 8:58 AM
I understand your concern. The developers are smart. I know that they have researched and decided they think this can work. Given the $$$ they are investing and the $$$ they have as support, I am willing to believe they've done their homework.
Unfortunately, many go into bars & restaurants and don't know what they are getting into. It ain't easy!
Of course, the fact that there isn't a catering facility like this in the immediate area, and only a few outside of that, should be a good thing.
We'll see!" Nov 25, 10 10:44 AM
Yes there is. Recently there was a meeting with the Rechlers, some local community members and Jim Malone from the Town regarding the Rechlers hopes of restoring the Inn. They have written an open letter to the community, which is being circulated, at their request, but is too long to be posted here.
You can read the letter at:
Or by going to the Hampton Bays Historical Society's website, click on the Canoe Place Inn photo and scroll down to Links & Articles. It is the top one.
The Rechlers have also started an email where they are asking for feedback from the community. email@example.com
If you write them I am sure that they'd be glad to answer any questions.
There is supposed to be a meeting held shortly to decide, once and for all, the fate of the Inn.
" Nov 26, 10 5:28 PM
My understanding is the person who hit her was pulling out of the apartments next to Villa Paul. I'd imagine she was crossing to his right, he was looking left to make the right. I don't know, but I think that may have been what happened. Very sad." Nov 26, 10 5:32 PM
Oops, just reread the article he was making a left. Anyway, she wouldn't have been in his direct line of vision. " Nov 26, 10 5:33 PM
I also believe it is a Win-Win. " Nov 27, 10 8:45 AM
So you are planning on telling the Rechlers to build affordable condos? Never heard they planned on doing.
Which burned down building?
The Rechlers are not doing this because someone is making them. They are doing it because they believe it will be a success and good for the community." Nov 27, 10 3:10 PM
Mean comments? I think they are some of the most balanced comments I have ever read. Sorry you lost your family home but changing the ocean is impossible. The mess that is currently Westhampton Dunes was by your own design. " Nov 27, 10 7:45 PM
"the public benefit (which is required) being a walkway along the canal "open to the public"? The walkway would be quite inconvenient as the site is bordered by Montauk hwy., North Hwy. and a train tressle - and the public already has all the entire West side of the canal to walk along and fish from. "
I agree 100% with this statement. But, if you had attended the various meetings you would have heard the community demanding that they have a public walk way, they don't want to lose access to the canal. Thus it is included. Personally I never see anyone walking on that piece of the canal but, that is what the community asked for and the Rechlers said ok. As for being bordered by Montauk, etc. etc., that certainly isn't going to change no matter what is built there so I don't see your point." Nov 29, 10 1:11 PM
It may be pathetic, but that is what the community asked for. Every meeting the same point came up...we'll lose access to the canal. So, they got the access to the canal. I'd hazard a guess that the same amount of people who walk that part of the canal now will walk it then. " Nov 29, 10 6:58 PM
The Rechlers will be razing the buildings on the east side of the property, with or without the PDD. I am not sure why you believe they can't build anything other than a restaurant there. According to Planning, again, this was discussed at the meetings, they are allowed to build a lot more than that and yes that includes condos.
The same goes for the Inn, why wouldn't they be allowed to build what is there already? That makes no sense. The site was used as an Inn, there are existing cottages, why would they be allowed to build the same thing? Again, according to Planning they can build more than a restaurant as of right.
It makes no sense that they would have purchased these properties and not been able to build something worth their investment if they were not given the PDD. You have to give them some credit as businessmen for having thought this out." Nov 30, 10 6:15 AM
They have stated that they can't/won't restore the Inn if they can't build the Town Houses. So I am not sure what the point is. The town can say yes to the Town Houses and have the Inn. Or they can say no to the Town Houses and have condos on both sides." Nov 30, 10 6:16 AM
That is not what the Town Planning Board has stated. Perhaps you know something that they don't?
" Nov 30, 10 9:21 AM
Sorry the link does not work. You are saying that the planners are either lying or don't know their job? Interesting." Nov 30, 10 12:53 PM
Yes, I know how to copy and paste, thanks. Didn't work.
The planners were at the meeting at the high school. It is interesting that you know Mr. Murphree is a complete liar. At that meeting he mentioned that it could be asked that they building townhouses vs condos because the tax rate is higher. There were those in the audience who said he was wrong, he didn't know what he was talking about, etc. etc. Turns out he is correct. Guess he isn't always wrong.
If the land currently has a house, 2 restaurants and a tackle shop, why are they only allowed to rebuild a restaurant? Aren't you able to build the same as what was there?" Nov 30, 10 2:42 PM
Ha! Very true. I actually had thought initially that I was discussing." Nov 30, 10 8:03 PM
You are right it is a mess. There is someone willing to spend millions of their own money to remove the mess. Isn't that what we want? Why does it have to be torn down to be "cleaned up"? " Dec 1, 10 4:27 PM
Well yeah, I didn't think they were doing it to lose money. Most people don't. Successful businesses are wanted in a community. " Dec 1, 10 8:27 PM
Congratulations - still didn't work for me!" Dec 1, 10 8:27 PM
"The illegal housing problem is ruining Springs"
Springs is only the tip of the ice berg.
I don't care if there are little green men living in the illegal houses, they are breaking the law. End of story.
" Mar 10, 11 1:17 PM
It does boggle the imagination that this was going on and they thought it wouldn't be noticed." Mar 13, 11 1:13 PM
I think it is the same one." Mar 13, 11 5:01 PM
Let me clarify this, I think that it is the same Fisher that Southold was fighting. Others have been chiming in and don't want to create a rumor. I was responding to SHTownHB." Mar 14, 11 7:04 AM
This is true, but clearly 20 people aren't legally renting the same house. You don't need to provide a lease, you can provide a telephone bill with the address on it to satisfy the schools residency question. " Mar 15, 11 12:05 PM
According to the radio newscast Frank did receive a ticket. I guess you believe that his little problem in Southold was also just making a mountain out of a mole hill? I am sure that the Town wouldn't have responded if it wasn't a problem. Heaven knows there are plenty of other issues that are ignored. This is a residential area, dumpsters should be stored there. Doesn't this person have a place of business to store his equipment?" Mar 15, 11 12:16 PM
Why was he in the process of moving it since it was ok to be there? " Mar 16, 11 12:18 PM
The owners have said that one way or the other the buildings on the east side of the property will be taken down. The Inn is older than Tiderunners, is that historic?" Mar 16, 11 7:53 PM
So Highhat you are saying it is ok for some to break laws? I don't see where having a Tribal Police Force will change anything unless it works in conjunction with SHTP or other law enforcement.
" Mar 25, 11 1:23 PM
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