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Hampton Bays civic leaders make their own redevelopment pitch

Are you sure about that as-of-right thing? You'd better make sure that you double check your facts before doing as some do and passing on bad information. According to the article, the Town will present exactly what they are entitled to as of right. That should be interesting.

This developer has I am sure, done his homework. Finding out what is as of right and whether it would be viable would be part of that homework.

I do know that there is a question of whether or not the PDD sewage plant is appropriate. With as of right there is no sewage treatment plant. Same thing with the Allen's Acres condos, they built as of right and there is no sewage treatment plant. The PDD plant may not be top of the top, not sure that has even been stipulated, but at least there is one.

This entire thing is a game and a Civic group that presents half truths and misdirection is not serving its community." Aug 26, 10 4:16 PM

Yes they are. Mary Jean claims that it isn't state of the art. The point was that without a PDD there is no treatment, state of the art or not.

"The United group is just the executive committee members of all of the HB associations."

Sorry this is not true. " Aug 26, 10 9:07 PM

They can build a lot more that you seem to think. " Aug 26, 10 9:08 PM

That makes sense. I figured there had to be some approval of it other than by the developer." Aug 26, 10 9:59 PM

I wouldn't begin to debate that anything to do with the town defies logic! " Aug 26, 10 10:36 PM

You certainly have a point. They do own the property they do have property rights. Why is it that no one thought of the possibility of development BEFORE the property was sold. I seem to remember a plan a few years back to develop the canal area as a "wharf" similar to Gossman's in Montauk. Oh my these same people were in an uproar. Now, we are looking at more development. Unfortunately development happens and forward thinking is needed. After the property is sold there is little you can do since people, all people even developers, have rights. I am not for development but unfortunately the only thing you can do is attempt to control it, which seems to be happening in this case.

As for the terms of the restoration, this is exactly what Ms. Throne-Holst has been saying. They are working on the details of a contract that would stipulate what needed to be done for the restoration as well as a time line. They can not build condos then ignore the Inn. Also, these restraints would pass on to any subsequent owners. The Inn would be preserved for all time. Can anyone around here think of another instance where this has happened in Hampton Bays? No, we have no landmarks law. Why don't the Civic start arguing for that, for FUTURE buildings?

During at least two meetings Ms. Throne-Holst has discussed what contracts would be in place if the PDD goes forward, that will provide for proper restoration of the Inn. Meetings including the Town Historian will be held with the developers to insure that the proper materials will be used, it will be historically accurate, etc. At this point Ms. Green accused Ms. Throne-Holst of wasting our tax dollars and representing the developers. Ridiculous. The community asked the Town Board to really truly represent us for once in a PDD and when they do they are accused of wasting tax dollars and representing the developers. Who is supposed to present this to us? " Aug 27, 10 9:50 AM

Thanks for the back up.

The question has been asked about what assurances we'd have, which is valid. " Aug 27, 10 2:10 PM

Actually Tamaany Hall was after the 1920s...hence this building.

If the Rechlers preseve the facade as they have offered or not, it shall still bring in jobs. Surely you realize that no one wants to keep the building in the state it is in, nor do they want a bar/club there. Additionally restoration removes the fire hazard, perhaps you need reread what the intent is." Aug 31, 10 4:25 PM

I didn't address the condos, you said to tear down the building. That is two different things.

There will be condos regardless of the Inn is torn down or not." Aug 31, 10 7:27 PM

The tiderunners is a landmark? You have to be kidding!

" Aug 31, 10 7:28 PM

Mary Jean Green steps down as civic president

There are many who do not share your opinion." Aug 31, 10 7:30 PM

Forum on proposed CPI site use brings polarized, mixed reaction from the public

I am sure the Rechlers wouldn't mind having spent millions on those pieces of property on the east of the canal in order to let us build yet another park. Perhaps you would be willing to donate your property as a park. Sounds like a plan." Sep 18, 10 6:01 PM

I thought you just said the last thing we needs is condos anywhere. " Sep 18, 10 6:01 PM

They aren't building on the bridge, if someone wants to jump they can jump. Not to mention, the "new" bridge pretty much took care of most of the bridge jumping that took place.

As for access to the canal, I haven't really seen anyone walking or fishing that stretch of the canal. There is plenty of canal still out there open and available.

And yes, as METCOMedia mentioned, the Rechlers are granting a right of way in front of the condos for people who want to stroll there." Sep 23, 10 5:37 PM

You do understand that they are building on the east side of the canal regardless of what happens to the Inn. The Rechlers own the property. They shall be building on the property. There will be construction on the east side of the canal. If people don't understand that they aren't paying attention.

Not to mention, they will RESTORE the Inn. Does anyone think it would be to their best interest to NOT restore the building? Has anyone said they will leave it like it is? " Sep 23, 10 5:39 PM

I think you are mistaken. I haven't heard of any teenagers jumping off the canal bridge. How many have you heard of living in Water Mill? Is that who is doing the jumping, kids from Water Mill?" Sep 23, 10 5:41 PM

A few members of the audience asked what the "young" people thought. This was in response to that." Sep 23, 10 5:42 PM

Pat Lynch continues lawsuit against town

I am not sure who you believe these "well organized buddies" are. I do no know anyone at the shelter nor do I know Ms. Lynch. I do know that I am sick of reading her unending letters to the editor and her law suits. As someone pointed out, it does not in anyway help the animals she supposedly champions." Sep 23, 10 9:59 PM

"99% of the Germans during WW2 thought that Jews should be killed."

Really?? Where did you get that figure from?
" Sep 23, 10 10:05 PM

Forum on proposed CPI site use brings polarized, mixed reaction from the public

No, I'm pretty sure we mean the same thing. What you just described is exactly what is now being offered.

The original request was to preserve the Inn via whatever method was feasible. It is clear that at least part of the inside has already been gutted and there was much disrepair. Adaptive reuse was an alternative that was suggested; saving the ballroom was another alternative. The save every single stick theory wasn't what was originally intended, nor does it seem possible.

The fact that the Rechlers are willing to preserve the entire facade of the building and the cottages, is amazing. To throw it all away for 3 decrepit buildings doesn't seem to make much sense. Of course, it doesn't matter who wants to save the east side buildings, the property was purchased, the owners have the right to develop it either with condos or other structures. Those buildings are history no matter what happens to the Inn. People just don't seem to understand that part." Sep 24, 10 9:56 AM

Rechlers pick up demolition permit applications for Canoe Place Inn

It amazes me when I read comments like this.

The Rechlers bought the property. The Rechlers own the property. The Rechlers can and will build on their property. Done properly the PDD helps control what is being built.

Surely people understand that there is going to be construction on both sides of the canal, with our without the pdd.

Wake up people - the land owner has rights!" Oct 3, 10 1:52 PM

What is damaging the local environment? I don't follow what you are saying here.

There will be construction...if you want the sewage treatment plant you need the PDD. Otherwise, that is gone.

" Oct 3, 10 1:54 PM

The problem is that the Rechlers agree to preserve the Inn but the Town/Anna/community members are changing the playing field by saying they don't want the PDD on the east side of the canal. They either get the PDD and we get the Inn, which would absolutely benefit the town, or they plow down the Inn and build as much as possible on both sides.

If you feel strongly the Inn needs to be preserved, you should contact Anna office and let her know that.

It is sad that we have to play lets make a deal but unfortunately that is what is happening." Oct 3, 10 1:57 PM

I am not sure how this plays into the current situation. NO ONE is preserving a bar. One way or the other the current bar situation will be gone. IT may be a different type of bar, since that is the "as of right" but no one wants the business which is operating there now." Oct 3, 10 1:59 PM

Owners of property have rights. They own the property, they have the right to build. They will build. What they will build remains to be seen.

Yes it is an eyesore, let's not be shortsighted, they are willing to put up the money to fix the eyesore. What is wrong with that?
" Oct 3, 10 2:01 PM

You and many other people. Our supervisor is supposed to be representing what we want, not what she wants.

I hope you have let the Town know, as Anna as requested, that you feel the destruction of the Inn would be a loss to our town." Oct 3, 10 2:03 PM

"whatever is built will have more public input and cotrols in place throught the Planning and Zoning Boards."

Sorry, if they build as of right your input goes out the window.

PDDs are a tool. If the tool is misused, there is a problem. Instead of throwing it all away, why not advocate for the Town to work harder at benefiting us." Oct 3, 10 2:07 PM

They have brought up the idea and at the last meeting held on the subject the Town said they couldn't hold a referendum on the issue." Oct 4, 10 3:11 PM

There is no plan to keep the building running as it currently is. Have you heard people say it looks great let's keep the Coliseum in business? " Oct 4, 10 3:15 PM

There will be construction, hence "construction waste", whether or not the Inn is razed. They are building on their property.

With an as of right construction, there is no wate treatment facility; with the PDD there is.

Whatever laws there are in place will be applied to either construction. Are "rugs" for lawns the law? Where does the runoff go now?" Oct 6, 10 4:14 PM

I understand that. I was responding to Walt who said "Don't let them build on it either."

How do you legally tell a property owner we've decided they can't build on it? " Oct 6, 10 4:19 PM

No a PDD is not a right.

I have heard all sorts of wonderful plans for what could be done on the east side of the canal. Buy it with CPF funds and make a park; switch it for another (less valuable) piece of land somewhere else in town; take it by eminent domain; allow the Rechlers to building housing in WH by their project there. All great ideas but it doesn't seem that any are grounded in reality.

The property owner has rights and they are legally allowed to build on the properties, with or without a PDD." Oct 6, 10 4:27 PM

That is the problem, without the PDD there is no room for negotiation. A year round restaurant would be nice.

Of course a few years back there was a thought on having a warf on the canal with shops, similar to Gosman's. That was an unpopular idea with some. Now it seems that it should have been considered." Oct 7, 10 11:49 AM

Samuel A Manarel dies at 99

Mr. Manarel was a wonderful man and shall be greatly missed. Sympathies to his family." Oct 15, 10 10:29 AM

The Fate of the Canoe Place Inn still hangs in the balance

Why wouldn't they demolish the building? Then they can go ahead and build on both sides of the canal. Sure, perhaps they won't get as much as they want, but they can cut their losses and move on." Oct 21, 10 9:14 AM

The Fate of the Canoe Place Inn still hangs in the balance

Not sure selling would be the quickest way to cut their losses. The real estate market isn't exactly booming.

They can build alot more than a restaurant on the properties. " Oct 22, 10 10:30 AM

Who ever said that they considered condos to be their "public benefit"? The benefit was the preservation and restoration of a historic inn.

We already have a park at the canal. Unless the ice skating rink is in operation I never see anyone using it. We need another park?" Oct 26, 10 10:35 PM

Code Enforcement Closes Rumba's Overflow Parking Lot

The food isn't up for debate here, the fact that there are too many cars parked on the road and on what is supposed to be a front lawn. This establishment has little to no parking. They knew that when they started the business. I am actually surprised they didn't complain sooner.

" Oct 29, 10 12:54 PM

Riverside Man Dies Hours After Being Shot Outside Hampton Bays Nightclub

It is on the canal right after you go under the sunrise bridge. Used to be the Cruiser Club. " Oct 30, 10 9:23 PM

Where did you hear this? " Oct 30, 10 9:28 PM

How is that possible?" Oct 31, 10 7:16 AM

I was wondering where someone was blaming the cops also. I guess that Diner reference?" Oct 31, 10 3:35 PM

Yikes, calm down. I understood that after a murder/shooting that there would be some sort of inquiry that would keep it closed for awhile. I don't think anyone is slamming "Uncle Carl". Let's face it most 60+ men are at home at 3:30 am. Matter of fact, most people are." Oct 31, 10 3:37 PM

"this was the first time some has been killed at the club"

Unlike the other clubs that have shootings all the time in HB? Is that the best thing that can be said for this dump?

Whether or not the owner is a nice man, doesn't change the fact that he operates poor establishments.
" Nov 1, 10 7:22 AM

Thanks for clearing that up. I knew there were licensing issues if someone is shot in an establishment such as this. Didn't understand how it was open again instantly.

" Nov 1, 10 11:52 AM

I gather from your reply that you were there. Was this poor man inside the building at the time or outside in the parking lot?" Nov 1, 10 1:04 PM

Canoe Place Inn Developers Terminate Lease With Nightclub Owners

They ARE trying to get it preserved. If you feel this structure is important make your views known to the Town Board." Nov 1, 10 3:01 PM

Surely you understand the difference between a catering hall and a restaurant?

As for the Conscience Point Inn, I didn't think the Town could operate a catering hall. How was that building purchased? You are right, they should be doing something with it." Nov 1, 10 3:44 PM

Another catering hall? Where is a catering hall locally?

Sorry I don't have the same high opinion of the Tide Runners and of course it is only open 2 months a year.

Don't forget, one way or the other Tide Runners is history." Nov 1, 10 10:02 PM

The Rechlers own the property and have said that they will be taking down the buildings and rebuilding. Whether it is condos or building as of right, there will be all new construction on that property." Nov 2, 10 7:03 AM

My understanding is that if it is purchased with CPF funds they can not run it as a business. " Nov 2, 10 7:05 AM

The Rechlers own the property where Tiderunners is. They have the right to build, there is no "exchange for permission". The question is whether they preserve the Inn and build condos on the east side. Or they tear down on both sides and rebuild on both properties, and the piece they own on the other side of north rd." Nov 2, 10 7:08 AM

The plan is to build on both sides of the canal, on all three parcels of land. Whether they do that with a PDD or as of right, they have stated that the buildings will be taken down on the east side.

I don't see how the town can tell them that instead of building on a buildable lot they have to make a parking lot.

As of now nothing is being torn down until the town makes their decision." Nov 2, 10 3:15 PM

In this case the owner/developers are willing to restore the building. But, they want to be able to build more than as of right on their other piece of property on the east side.

Sad, someone finally listens to the pleas to save our landmarks, and the community changes their minds. " Nov 2, 10 6:44 PM

Let's hope not what?

The Rechlers will be demolishing what is on their property on the east side of town and rebuilding. This isn't a possibility, it is a fact." Nov 11, 10 6:09 PM

Yes that was the original plan but they have long since abandoned that idea. They would like to build Town Houses on their property on the east side of the canal. They would also restore the Inn both inside and out to be used as a catering hall. There would be caveats in place that would guarantee the work would be done on the Inn and it could not have a change of useage to anything other than a catering hall, etc.

If they are not allowed to build the condos on the east, they will build as of right on both sides of the canal, on the three parcels that they own." Nov 11, 10 6:32 PM

"Under the latest proposal made by the developers, the Rechlers said they would be willing to renovate both the interior and exterior of the building, transforming it into a catering hall, in exchange for securing permission from the town to build 40 condominiums on other properties that they own on the east side of Shinnecock Canal. "

This is from the above article." Nov 11, 10 6:33 PM

Which site in HB are you referring to?" Nov 11, 10 6:34 PM

Woman Struck By Car On Montauk Highway In Hampton Bays

There is a crosswalk & light at the Church. Surely you don't think there should be yet another light between the church & the Diner? When I drove past the man's car was still in the driveway. He had a right directional on. If she had walked down to a crosswalk he wouldn't have hit her. Too many cars to be jaywalking." Nov 17, 10 9:11 PM

There is a crosswalk at the church. I realize that it is tough for an elderly person but I am not sure that yet another stop light is going to help. You'll never get down Montauk & you'll have even more people running the lights. It's a bad spot" Nov 20, 10 10:36 AM

A Brief History Of The Canoe Place Inn

Why would it last one year? The owners are willing and able to restore the Inn completely. What is the down side to that?" Nov 25, 10 8:58 AM

I understand your concern. The developers are smart. I know that they have researched and decided they think this can work. Given the $$$ they are investing and the $$$ they have as support, I am willing to believe they've done their homework.

Unfortunately, many go into bars & restaurants and don't know what they are getting into. It ain't easy!

Of course, the fact that there isn't a catering facility like this in the immediate area, and only a few outside of that, should be a good thing.

We'll see!" Nov 25, 10 10:44 AM

Yes there is. Recently there was a meeting with the Rechlers, some local community members and Jim Malone from the Town regarding the Rechlers hopes of restoring the Inn. They have written an open letter to the community, which is being circulated, at their request, but is too long to be posted here.

You can read the letter at:

http://hamptonbayshistoricalsociety.org/canoeplaceinn

Or by going to the Hampton Bays Historical Society's website, click on the Canoe Place Inn photo and scroll down to Links & Articles. It is the top one.

The Rechlers have also started an email where they are asking for feedback from the community. savethecpi@gmail.com
If you write them I am sure that they'd be glad to answer any questions.

There is supposed to be a meeting held shortly to decide, once and for all, the fate of the Inn.

" Nov 26, 10 5:28 PM

Woman Struck By Car On Montauk Highway In Hampton Bays

My understanding is the person who hit her was pulling out of the apartments next to Villa Paul. I'd imagine she was crossing to his right, he was looking left to make the right. I don't know, but I think that may have been what happened. Very sad." Nov 26, 10 5:32 PM

Oops, just reread the article he was making a left. Anyway, she wouldn't have been in his direct line of vision. " Nov 26, 10 5:33 PM

A Brief History Of The Canoe Place Inn

I also believe it is a Win-Win. " Nov 27, 10 8:45 AM

So you are planning on telling the Rechlers to build affordable condos? Never heard they planned on doing.

Which burned down building?

The Rechlers are not doing this because someone is making them. They are doing it because they believe it will be a success and good for the community." Nov 27, 10 3:10 PM

West Hampton Dunes Village, Residents Challenge Authority Of Town Trustees

Mean comments? I think they are some of the most balanced comments I have ever read. Sorry you lost your family home but changing the ocean is impossible. The mess that is currently Westhampton Dunes was by your own design. " Nov 27, 10 7:45 PM

A Brief History Of The Canoe Place Inn

"the public benefit (which is required) being a walkway along the canal "open to the public"? The walkway would be quite inconvenient as the site is bordered by Montauk hwy., North Hwy. and a train tressle - and the public already has all the entire West side of the canal to walk along and fish from. "

I agree 100% with this statement. But, if you had attended the various meetings you would have heard the community demanding that they have a public walk way, they don't want to lose access to the canal. Thus it is included. Personally I never see anyone walking on that piece of the canal but, that is what the community asked for and the Rechlers said ok. As for being bordered by Montauk, etc. etc., that certainly isn't going to change no matter what is built there so I don't see your point." Nov 29, 10 1:11 PM

It may be pathetic, but that is what the community asked for. Every meeting the same point came up...we'll lose access to the canal. So, they got the access to the canal. I'd hazard a guess that the same amount of people who walk that part of the canal now will walk it then. " Nov 29, 10 6:58 PM

The Rechlers will be razing the buildings on the east side of the property, with or without the PDD. I am not sure why you believe they can't build anything other than a restaurant there. According to Planning, again, this was discussed at the meetings, they are allowed to build a lot more than that and yes that includes condos.

The same goes for the Inn, why wouldn't they be allowed to build what is there already? That makes no sense. The site was used as an Inn, there are existing cottages, why would they be allowed to build the same thing? Again, according to Planning they can build more than a restaurant as of right.

It makes no sense that they would have purchased these properties and not been able to build something worth their investment if they were not given the PDD. You have to give them some credit as businessmen for having thought this out." Nov 30, 10 6:15 AM

They have stated that they can't/won't restore the Inn if they can't build the Town Houses. So I am not sure what the point is. The town can say yes to the Town Houses and have the Inn. Or they can say no to the Town Houses and have condos on both sides." Nov 30, 10 6:16 AM

That is not what the Town Planning Board has stated. Perhaps you know something that they don't?

" Nov 30, 10 9:21 AM

Sorry the link does not work. You are saying that the planners are either lying or don't know their job? Interesting." Nov 30, 10 12:53 PM

Yes, I know how to copy and paste, thanks. Didn't work.

The planners were at the meeting at the high school. It is interesting that you know Mr. Murphree is a complete liar. At that meeting he mentioned that it could be asked that they building townhouses vs condos because the tax rate is higher. There were those in the audience who said he was wrong, he didn't know what he was talking about, etc. etc. Turns out he is correct. Guess he isn't always wrong.

If the land currently has a house, 2 restaurants and a tackle shop, why are they only allowed to rebuild a restaurant? Aren't you able to build the same as what was there?" Nov 30, 10 2:42 PM

Ha! Very true. I actually had thought initially that I was discussing." Nov 30, 10 8:03 PM

You are right it is a mess. There is someone willing to spend millions of their own money to remove the mess. Isn't that what we want? Why does it have to be torn down to be "cleaned up"? " Dec 1, 10 4:27 PM

Well yeah, I didn't think they were doing it to lose money. Most people don't. Successful businesses are wanted in a community. " Dec 1, 10 8:27 PM

Congratulations - still didn't work for me!" Dec 1, 10 8:27 PM

Hispanic Families Speak On Multifamily Housing

"The illegal housing problem is ruining Springs"

Springs is only the tip of the ice berg.

I don't care if there are little green men living in the illegal houses, they are breaking the law. End of story.

" Mar 10, 11 1:17 PM

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