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University Council supports cuts made to Stony Brook Southampton

Gyrodyne is a separate issue. The 100 million does not have to come from taxpayers. It can come from the Stony Brook Foundation. It had raised 360 million in 2009. It was a possible source of funds to buy Gyrodyne,
""At the appropriate time, when the value is set, the university will be there with a check," promises state Sen. Ken LaValle (R-Port Jefferson), who is playing a central role in shepherding the deal. Gyrodyne says university president Shirley Strum Kenny may tap the Stony Brook Foundation, a tax-deductible nonprofit dedicated to financing "mission-essential initiatives." A university spokesman declined to comment on that possibility."
http://emdo.blogspot.com/2005/05/steamroller-at-flowerfields-newsday.html
So please stop worrying about Stony Brook's money! They get more than 10 million in patent royalties a year, and received 56 million in stimulus money! If you look at the May 11th webcast of the university council meeting, Dr. Stanley is telling the council that they lost 27 million in state funds, for 2010, not 60 million as some papers report. If you look at Stony Brook's budget information, the Stony Brook Foundation compensated for the majority of state fits in 2009. Stony Brook has a. Realty Foundation that makes money. The total budget for Stony Brook is about 330 million, so this year's cut was less than 10%, not 20%. I wish the reporters would research the facts to make sure what they are reporting is not biased information." Oct 13, 10 12:09 AM

As far as the Southampton campus is concerned, it has been treated as the abused stepchild; simply mismanaged. Because of liens from LIU on the buildings, the campus could not open in the Spring of 2006, and opened in the Fall. A masterplan was developed by the architectural firm that helped Jackie Kennedy Onnasis restore Grand Central Station. It cost $680,000. And they subcontracted to local environmental services to do the construction. They were let go on May 31, 2010. I would love to see what we paid for." Oct 13, 10 12:18 AM

"“Stanley has done so much to discredit himself and SUNY that he is no longer credible or believable.”
"This is one of three lawsuits that involve SBU students suing the administration. In August, a State Supreme Court Justice ruled that the Stony Brook President Samuel Stanley’s closure of Southampton was unlawful. Earlier in the year, a group of Research Assistants, Teaching Assistants and graduate students filed a lawsuit claiming their first amendment rights had been violated when police escorted them out of President Stanley’s inauguration route. That suit is still pending.

As for the future of the hotel lawsuit, Locker says his case is very much related to the Southampton lawsuit, citing what he calls Stanley’s repetition of abusing the legal process."
http://www.sbpress.com/2010/10/3810/" Oct 13, 10 11:45 PM

Legislation in Albany for Independent SUNY at SOUTHAMPTON. Full text posted by NY Senate for public comment, so please everybody, comment
there!

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/api/1.0/html/bill/S8467" Oct 14, 10 5:47 AM

Cuts At Campus Still Called Illegal

Extraordinary efforts, yes, like canceling the BS in Business Management with a Specialization in Business Sustainability major! What I find extraordinary is that publically, Stony Brook has stated they were transferring all the majors, but when the students went to enroll in their classes, they did not exist!!

Assemblymember Fred Thiele has given up weekends and countless hours, just after the educationally, criminal decision, to "gut" the undergraduate programs at Southampton on April 7th, was made. So there is no way I can let the previous comment go unanswered. I am sure you were never at the meetings to save the only accessible undergraduate campus for East End residents. Please join us and find out first hand how hard Fred Thiele is working!" Oct 14, 10 4:42 PM

Stony Brook Southampton Plaintiffs Ask Judge To Find School In Contempt Of Court

What if Stony Brook cannibalized the Southampton campus and the 7.4 million in support from SUNY, to use to plug holes in the Stony Brook budget. Why does Stony Brook ignore that 800 students were enrolled at Southampton for this Fall? An inconvenient truth because it means the campus was moving towards self-support? Is this why Senator LaValle said something was wrong with the numbers Dr. Stanley had reported on April 7 th, in the April 14th East Hanpton Star?
What if Dr. Stanley's claims about Southampton are a ruse, so that he can set up a medical research complex? One that would use engineered molecules from the synchrotron light source 1, and then source 2, when it is completed.
Why is the process so mysterious that Chancellor Zimpher declined to publicly, answer Senator Stavisky's questions about what her plans are for the 450 million dollars she and the SUNY trustees have?
Give the East End back, it's only easily accessible, residential undergraduate, program. Build your SUNY REACH ( Imaging?) program at Stony Brook.." Oct 25, 10 12:41 AM

Stony Brook Southampton committee discusses expanding arts, marine sciences programs

This sounds wonderful! will it also include cultural courses about the Shinnecock and other Native American Tribes?" Nov 9, 10 12:07 AM

Southampton Town Steps In To Host Windmill Lighting Ceremony

Stony Brook University is now exhibiting 25 million added to their budget from the 56 million they received in stimulus money. Yes they have some spare change to light a windmill. Last year the Stony Brook Foundation came up with money to help compensate for what the state cut from the 2009 budget. Dr. Stanley never mentions these sources of funds, http://www.stonybrook.edu/budgetoffice/notes.shtml
Times are tough and will be for a while, but honoring a simple community tradition is smart business PR. Some of the Stony Brook Foundation members may live in Southampton." Dec 12, 10 10:54 PM

It's possible, it can be done, as a separate independent, campus, without a larger campus trying to cannibalize it. Southamton LIU had sone very high paid administrators, for a very snarl campus, which helped lead to it's demise. Not true at SBU Southampton.

The 4,000 students who attend Suffolk Comminity College, in Rverhead, 20 minutes away, would love to have a bachelorate residential/commuter choice campus, close to home. Articulation agreements would dictate who Southampton would accept, just as SBU has articulation agreements for the same purpose. It specifically has to be a Southampton Articuation agreement, not just a Stony Brook agreement and Southampton is not highlighted.

Also there needs to be a push for grants to help fund equipment and building needed for research. Why did Stony Brook University receive 56 million in Stimulus money, and Southampton did not, get anything?" Dec 12, 10 11:23 PM

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Timer? LED lights?" Dec 12, 10 11:57 PM

Timer? LED lights?" Dec 12, 10 11:58 PM

The NY State Senate now has a Republican majority so Ken LaValle gets his chairmanship back, and that should be positive for a SUNY Southampton, per his recent statements regarding the Southampton campus." Dec 13, 10 12:02 AM

LED lights are more efficient than CFL bulbs. One 40 watt equivalent bulb only uses 8.6 watts, and when used 3 hours a day, will last about 46 years. 20 and 40 watt bulbs ate available at Home Depot. They ate very new, so a bit pricy right now ( less than $18.00). I think they get them in on Tiesdays.

The new refrigerators have LED lights too! Some computers have them as back lights, as well. " Dec 13, 10 12:08 AM

Stony Brook Announces Plans To Add Programs, Some Residency At Southampton Campus

Come to Stony Brook University where we house sustainability majors in a chemistry building. " Mar 1, 11 10:51 PM

Students Going Green

How wonderful that these high school students are interested in becoming the next generation of environmental leaders. It is terrific that their own unique community is their learning lab. At one time Southampton was the learning lab of the sustainability majors at SBU Southampton. " Mar 1, 11 11:23 PM

Thiele: Stony Brook Southampton Could Offer New Programs By Fall Semester

I do not understand how Stony Brook "saved" any money closing the Southampton campus, when it had a separate budget that was not co-mingled with the Stony Brook campus. The Southampton campus was getting 7.7 million in separate support from SUNY according to university statements made by Mr. Melucci:
"“Some of the funding for Southamp- ton has already been curtailed, accord- ing to Daniel Melucci, Stony Brook’s Vice President for Strategy and Plan- ning. “We currently have a total of $7.7 million budgeted for Southampton for the 2010-11 fiscal year. Last year the total state budget was approximately $12.5 million,” he said.” So the state had a separate budget for the Southampton campus to support it, in line with student growth.
At least it was separate, until suddenly the students "needed" to be moved off their campus.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37578722/The-Stony-Brook-Press-Volume-32-Issue-1" Mar 1, 11 11:43 PM

I love the title! My idea was The Global Institute of Sustainability and Marine Sciences to be a sister state school with Arizona State University's Global Institute of Sustainability. In Arizona they explore the sustainability of urban populations in arid regions, so at the Southampton campus, we could specialize in coastal population sustainability. Half of the US population lives within 17 miles of the coast and that is why our waterways are so polluted, our seafood must be limited, per the NY State Health Department, and our health is in jeopardy. We could share staff and students. Anyone in Arizona wants to leave the 115-120 degree summers and would love to visit out here.
At ASU the Sustainability Institute began with a 15 million dollar donation from a woman who practiced as an attorney. She has supplemented the program to provide more money to attract the best sustainability faculty from around the world. ASU knows how to grow a Sustainability program. With their enthusiasm and guidance I think we could have a fabulous program at the Southampton campus, with an arts program that can also incorporate sustainable topics. In fact it would be great to have a writing program for sustainability majors who wish to use a variety of media to report on sustainability issues. Of course there is also the area of sustainable art, that could be offered, too." Mar 2, 11 1:07 AM

Hmm,
May 19, 2008
"For instance, he noted, Stony Brook University has indicated that it does not want to include a hospital on its Southampton campus, where there are undeveloped acres. The university already has the University Medical Center on its main campus in Stony Brook, and it is not looking to duplicate its health care program, Mr. Chaloner said."
"Talks continue between Southampton Hospital and the Southampton Elks over the hospital’s possible purchase of the Elks’ fairground on Country Road 39 as a site for a new hospital. It would replace the aging facility on Meeting House Lane in Southampton Village."

Oct 3, 2008
"On Wednesday, October 1, LIHP Executive Vice President Diana Weir visited Stony Brook Southampton to explain some of her organization’s programs and advise students about preventing foreclosure, but because of a scheduling error—classes were closed for Rosh Hashanah—no students attended the seminar. Despite the setback, Ms. Weir sat down with library Operations Manager Steve Berbig, shared details about LIHP programs and discussed the potential for future collaboration with the university." Then...

"And building new affordable homes is difficult here because “there’s no more land.”

Which leads to..

" Ms. Weir said the Southampton Hospital is already on board with the program and “We already have two people who have bought homes.” She said the hospital joined immediately and noted that it makes sense because nurses, for example, are in high demand and can go anywhere.

Ms. Weir pointed out that young doctors don’t make a lot of money at first and they often get “sticker shock” when looking at homes on the East End. Employees of the college face similar problems, and while Stony Brook is a state school, the LIHP executive vice president said it could be funded through the Stony Brook Foundation, rather than taxpayer money."

And it reportedly happened this way...

"Mr. Berbig said he requested that Ms. Weir visit Stony Brook shortly after LIHP asked to put up posters advertising its programs this spring, and since then both the school and LIHP has considered how they can benefit one another.

Ms. Weir said her organization is encouraging Stony Brook to participate in the Employer Assisted Housing Program, which aims to recruit and retain a skilled workforce on Long Island by helping them purchase homes. The program does this by requiring participating employers to provide a benefit contribution to help employees buy homes."

But the next month after Diana Weir's visit, Nov. 21, 2008..

"Southampton Hospital and Stony Brook University Medical Center formally struck a deal Friday for an affiliation between the health care providers.

The agreement between the community hospital and state medical center signed Friday morning at Southampton Hospital’s Parrish Memorial Hall in Southampton Village has been discussed for nearly a decade. Now that the plan has been realized, hospital officials anticipate cost savings and new and strengthened clinical services among a litany of benefits."

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Southampton/181863/Southampton-Hospital-and-Stony-Brook-sign-affiliation-agreement

Emphasis, a litany of benefits.

Nov.2, 2009

" The budget cut is closer to 70 Mil. The budget issues will not be going away and the projections for the state are grim.
· Current SB allocation estimated range from 8-10 Million."

http://www.stonybrook.edu/univsenate/minutes2009Nov02.shtml
"David Conover (Dean, SoMAS): In 1994, when there was a Middle States Review of Stony Brook University, one criticism was that Stony Brook did not have any academic programs in the broad realm of Environmental Sciences at the Undergraduate level. Provost Rollin Richmond at that time asked the Marine Sciences Research Center if they could create a program. In 2004 Long Island University (which was operating Southampton) spoke to Provost McGrath and told him that they were planning to close the Southampton campus and move all of their programs to C.W. Post campus. Planning Committees met from 2004-2006. They all reached the conclusion that expanding the environmental realm was the right kind of expansion for the Southampton Campus. Part of the reason being that our program was at that point purely graduate research education programs. In 1996 the A&S Curriculum Committee approved the plan to create a major in Environmental Sciences. It took us four years to get approved from SUNY (in 2000) and the State Education Department. We developed a lease arrangement with LIU in 2005-2006. We hired three tenure-track faculty members and one Lecturer. In the Fall of 2005 we had 50 students. They collectively supervise 17 graduate students, have a total of $4 Million in grants and have published 17 scholarly papers. There are now a total of 576 students enrolled at Stony Brook Southampton."

They talk about the 7.4 million that is separate for the Southampton campus, after they talk about Stony Brook University getting a projected budget cut of 8-10 million in state aid.

"There is 7.4 Mil in state appropriation funded by SUNY. SUNY has specifically identified this for Stony Brook Southampton. For a copy of the financial plan please email ltheobalt@notes.cc.sunysb.edu ."

It turns out the budget cut to Stony Brook was about 24 million.

On April 7, 2010 Dr. Stanley announces he is taking all the undergraduate students off the Southampton campus including the sustainability majors, which were requested by the Middle State Commission back in 1994, following a review of Stony Brook's University Programs.

. A new repurposing committee is formed, co-chaired by guess who, Diana Weir. Next a statement from Southampton Hospital appears in this paper that they have an interest in this repurposed campus as a site for their new hospital.

Our state representatives worked very hard to try to restore the Southampton campus, but it was not until Ken LaValle was back at the helm of the Higher Education Committee, that Stony Brook started to reconsider the virtual shuttering of the campus. Unfortunately, Stony Brook refuses to restore the sustainability majors, which are the broad environment programs suggested by the Middle States Commission, in their assessment of Stony Brook.

For some reason Stony Brook and the repurposing committee co-chaired by Diana Weir, believes the sustainability majors should be housed in the old chemistry building labs at the densely populated Stony Brook University campus, while they develop new programs,in film, theater and the arts at the campus where the original 576 sustainability students had flourished. " Mar 2, 11 1:18 AM

Thiele Highlights State Budget At Rogers Memorial Library

Many people were upset that 41% of voters could dictate a community budget, rather than a simple majority, which is the democratic way, in 2012, if the guidelines for the Governor's 2% tax cap are not changed.

$800,000 million dollars will be restored to the state education budget in 2012. Special Education Summer School funding will be restored in the budget this year.

The Mandate Relief Redesign Team was briefly discussed. There will be no new unfunded mandates.

The Southampton campus was discussed, including the Southampton Hospital on campus grounds, the business of healthcare was mentioned as what may be added to the campus, because it is not easy to get doctors to work out east, there will be a semester by the sea program and eventually a semester of art by the sea for visiting students, but no sustainability undergraduate program restored to the campus.

Stony Brook would rather have the students take their classes on the main campus, but the construction of the marine science center should begin this year on Little Neck Road. It is a 6.9 million dollar project.

Assemblyman Theile said in response to questions about the sustainability students, that he and Senator LaValle were trying to establish a Peconic Institute, similar to the Aspen Institute, or something else.

He acknowledged that the Southampton campus could still possibly serve as an outdoor laboratory for the students, although they are now in Stony Brook.

I think the Town of Southampton and the various environmental organizations miss the students participating in their organizations as interns or volunteers.
" Apr 21, 11 8:08 PM

State Closes Shellfishing In Western Shinnecock Bay After Toxin Is Detected

Bring back the sustainability majors to a residential Southampton campus so there are hundreds and eventually a couple thousand students to work on the sustainability issues on the East End.

Limit commercial development until it is proven it cannot harm the bay environments. " May 7, 11 3:34 PM

UPDATE: Storm Lessens In Intensity; Should Make Landfall At 10 a.m.

Some suggestions:I put gallons of water in my freezer, that are now frozen. For the smaller spaces I used zip loc bags full of water, to have the most frozen containers for the refrigerator when we lose electric.

We are on what is known as the "dirty side" of the storm, so this will not be pretty. I live 3.6 miles from the ocean and I can hear the waves crashing from my front door already.

Most of the windows in Southampton Village are not boarded up with plywood, but some are taped. I took a walk there at 9 and there was no wind, just a little rain.

I opened a few windows a bit in the event we get a tornado touch down so my windows do not blow out. I hope we can sleep through most of it, tonight.



" Aug 27, 11 11:04 PM

UPDATE: There Is Still Room At Shelters For Local Residents

I hope everyone stays safe and heeds the hurricane advice. I saw some of the shops in the Village of Southampton, with sandbags at their doorways, on Jobs Lane, last night. They are taking this very seriously.

My lights are still on but I doubt for long. We are getting the "dirty side" of the hurricane, first with a new moon which raises the tides on a good day, and then the storm is coming in at high tide, now add the storm surge from the low pressure of the storm raising the seas 32 feet East of Florida. Maybe we will get lucky and it will only raise our seas 22 feet. Add it all together and any areas near the water will be in serious trouble..
" Aug 28, 11 8:16 AM

UPDATE: Storm Lessens In Intensity; Should Make Landfall At 10 a.m.

Here is where you can watch a loop of the radar picture of the hurricane, from nhc noaa.

http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?rid=OKX&product=N0R&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

You can see the eye of the storm is almost at NYC. We are not getting it as intense as people close to the eye." Aug 28, 11 8:20 AM

Eyewitness news just reported the bouys at 17 - 18 feet just south of Long Island. Will any of the barrier islands breach, and form an inlet, with waves coming in at those heights?" Aug 28, 11 8:22 AM

Okay I just had a 30 foot black locust fall across my south yard. The roots gave way in the gusts. It is the place where water tends to accumulate when it rains in my yard. What kind of gust can do that?

Earlier another tree went "pop, pop, thud" just south of that tree and I can see a large black locust limb hanging, from the "pop" after the last "thud". Fortunately the really big trees are not leaning, but losing some branches." Aug 28, 11 9:31 AM

A third tree just came down in my yard in Southampton. It was another black locust. Half the apples are down from my organic apple tree. They taste wonderful already. I will be baking pies. The deer are not getting them when they taste this good. They can enjoy the locust leaves! I still have all services.

My parents are in Stony Brook and my mother reports all services out except her cell phone and 71 mph winds. No one is allowed out in the streets.

My daughter reports that there is a foot of water on the Battery Park boardwalk in Manhattan and 10th Avenue is flooded.

This is a serious storm." Aug 28, 11 10:54 AM

Thiele Calls For Transparency From Stanley

Mr. Blumenthal's inaccurate comment meant to slight Assemblyman Fred Thiele, reminds me of a quote from The Autobiography of Mark Twain, Volume 1.

"I know the Century people and therefore I know that they had no such base intentions as these but were simply making their offer out of their boundless resources of ignorance and stupidity."

" Sep 7, 11 12:31 AM

Mr. Blumenthal should look into this if he is concerned with how Stony Brook University generates the funds to pay for the legal fees and future sustainability conference at the Southampton campus:

"Another thing of concern has to do with the 2011 MFA Summer Conference that was held on the Stony Brook Southampton campus. Why was payment for these conferences, which included tutition, fees and housing being made payable to the Stony Brook Foundation?

Under SUNY Policies and Procedures Foundations are prohibited from engaging in the following activities:

instructional and credit-bearing programs;
sponsored programs (which are administered by The Research Foundation of State University of New York); and
in general, activities that generate revenue from the use of state property (e.g., cell tower leases and pouring rights); or
that are prohibited by law, policy or regulation.

http://www.suny.edu/sunypp/documents.cfm?doc_id=140

Course Descriptions

WRITERS CONFERENCE - CWL 575
The Southampton Writers Conference, the Southampton Children’s Literature Conference, and the Southampton Screenwriting Conference are intensive programs of workshops in contemporary writing that include lectures, readings, seminars, and panels featuring nationally distinguished authors who join the Department’s summer faculty. These conferences encourage participation by visiting students, new writers, established writers, teachers of writing, and editors who will be admitted by application and may receive academic credit upon request. Graduate students may take any Writers Conference sponsored by the MFA program for academic credit.

http://www.stonybrook.edu/sb/southampton/mfa/courses.shtml

The 2011 MFA Summer Conference:

http://www.stonybrook.edu/writers/writers/schedule.shtml

All applications for each different workshop state:

Make non-refundable checks or money orders, drawn on a U.S. bank, payable to Stony Brook Foundation- and mail to:

A Writer’s Summer
Southampton Screenwriting Conference
Stony Brook Southampton
239 Montauk Highway
Southampton, NY 11968

I also found this interesting:

Out of State Graduate Credit: additional $675
Conference tuition, room and board: $1495 (This is Campus Housing)

Since when is the Stony Brook Foundation the landlord for the Southampton campus and how can they give credits if they are a non-profit 501(c) which is a separate entity from the college and they have absolutely no business collecting tuition and fees?

Tuition and Fees
Application Fee: $15 (non-refundable)
Conference tuition, room and board: $1495
Commuter rate (includes tuition, breakfast and lunch) : $1300
Out of State Graduate Credit: additional $675
(Optional) Single Room Guarantee: $300 based on availability (non-refundable) (depending on enroll-ment, there is the possibility that some participants will be placed in singles without paying this fee, but this payment guarantees you will not be doubled.)

http://www.stonybrook.edu/writers/

The "Brochure" (see pg.15)
http://www.stonybrook.edu/writers/writers_brochure_2011.pdf


LOCATION AND HOUSING
The seaside campus of Stony Brook Southampton is located in the heart of the Hamptons, a renowned resort area only 80 miles
from New York City. During free time, participants can draw inspiration from Atlantic beaches or explore charming towns. On campus
housing—doubles and small singles with shared baths—is modest but comfortable. A limited number of single supplements is available at
additional cost on a firstcome basis. Participants who prefer off-campus housing will find a list of area inns on our Web site.

Fees

Fees represent the standard residential option, including tuition, room and board.
For five-day conferences:
$1495.
For 11-day Writers
Conference and the 11-day Playwriting Conference:
$2445.
For information on fees for commuters, subscribers and for academic credit, please visit our Web site at www.stonybrook.edu/writers

Note: This was already reported to the NYS Comptrollers office for investigation. Would anyone care to follow up on this?

On the Stony Brook University website about Reporting Fraud it says:

Stony Brook University is committed to the responsible stewardship of our funds and other resources and encourages any University employee or other individual who is aware of or suspects acts of fraud, waste, abuse or other irregular activities to report such acts. These activities include improper transactions, such as suspected thefts, losses, misuse or inappropriate action involving funds, equipment, time, facilities, vehicles, supplies or other assets. The University does not tolerate fraudulent or other dishonest behavior and will take appropriate action upon receiving such reports.

http://www.stonybrook.edu/audit/reportfraud.shtml"

Researched by a member of Save Stony Brook Southampton.



" Sep 7, 11 12:50 AM

The fact is that the sustainability campus was becoming so popular, that the SAT scores for admitted students went up by 100 points in a single year. There was a 5 year "business" plan for the Southampton campus and it was following the scheduled growth that was planned. It was delayed by about a year because there were liens on some buildings, from LIU owner ship. Those liens prevented the scheduled opening of the Stony Brook Southampton campus. Eight hundred students were scheduled to attend last fall and that number would have probably gone up to 1200 this year. It would have had a very positive year-round effect on the businesses of Southampton Village and Hampton Bays, had Dr. Stanley not decided to eliminate the residential, undergraduate programs at the Southampton campus.

The campus has been limited in its growth by the water treatment facility. Chancellor Zimpher has authorized the SCWA to drill another water well, for future expansion, this year, and next year the pipes will be installed. Then by 2013-2014 a 10 million dollar water treatment facility is scheduled to be built, for further expansion on the campus.
" Sep 7, 11 10:00 PM

Donations Needed To Help Hurricane Sandy Relief Efforts

Thank you for these resources and advice." Nov 8, 12 7:17 PM

Southampton Town Board Unanimously Approves Sandy Hollow Apartments Plan

If the Town of Southampton had a Community Character Preservation Plan we would not need this discussion. Such a plan would incorporate land that the Town would conserve for affordable housing, in ideal locations, considering the aquifer, transportation hubs, and shopping districts. The PDD law needs to be revised and the Town of Southampton needs a Community Character Plan, so rural zoning is not destroyed. "Business District" is too broad and vague a term to use in relation to affordable housing. Affordable housing needs to be near a shopping district. " Jun 13, 14 2:33 PM

Community character preservation and community lands identified for affordable housing are missing from the Town's land preservation program. "From 1970 to 2001, a desire to protect open space, farmland and recreational opportunities prompted a whole range of further conservative initiatives, including the Eastern and Western GEIS open space plans, the Town’s 1986 – 87 and 1995 – 96 Open Space and Greenbelt Acquisition Programs, Southampton’s 1993 Clean Water Bond Act, the 1996 Draft Comprehensive Plan Update and the Southampton’s 1996 $5 Million Open Space and Farmland Preservation Bond." Jun 13, 14 2:46 PM

This project sits on an aquifer that feeds into the freshwater ponds of Big Fresh Pond and Little Fresh Pond. This same aquifer is not far from the pumping station for residents who have town water. The Sandy Hollow Cove project sits on 2.6 acres, and is surrounded by homes that use well water. The zoning for that area is R-80, one home on two acres. This project will have its own sewage treatment plant, and no full time management on staff. Although there will be a water main installed down Sandy Hollow Road, it will cost anywhere from $4,000.00 to over $20,000.00 to town residents in the vicinity of this project, to hook up to town water, should the sewage treatment plant fail. I believe this project is in a watershed area. " Jun 15, 14 9:38 AM

This project only has studios and one bedroom apartments that are less than 600 square feet." Jun 15, 14 9:39 AM

I believe they must have 6 months of paychecks to establish the fact that they have employment in Southampton. Google "Town of Southampton Long island Town Board Resolution 2013-759" (Adopted on July 23, 2013 6:00 PM) and on the 10th page of the document, if you print preview it, under item (15) Community Benefit Units, you will read that income-eligible households residing year-round with one adult as a qualified active member of fire/EMS volunteer community services in the Town, as defined by SS (one s is intwined below the other S) 216-2. Also higher priority is given to residents of the Tuckahoe/Southampton school districts with zip code 11968." Jun 19, 14 7:44 PM

The Town Board was informed at the public meeting that there is a sheet of clay in that area, upon which perched water sits. If the approximate 7,000 to 15,000 gallons of effluent is allowed to enter the perched water, the water table closest to the surface will swell, and possibly flood the basements of the homes in the area. The homeowners told this to the Town Board because they have experience with past extreme rain events. Also, Suffolk County Water Authority is so concerned about the reliability and placement of this project sewage treatment plant, that if you look at page 9 of the Town of Southampton Long Island, NY Town Board Resolution 2013-759 it reads: The SCWA is requesting that monitoring wells with frequent sampling be incorporated into the design and maintenance of this facility
because the proposed project is located between several SCWA well fields and the contributing areas for all of these wells are also in the vicinity of the project. Frequency shall be determined by the SCWA during site plan review. Who monitors the private water wells in the vicinity of this sewage treatment plant? There is more, such as I believe the environmental statement for the project mistakenly says that the underground water flows South Southwest, when in fact, there is a Town document that states it flows North, because it is North of the "Ground Water Divide." This means it has the capacity to negatively impact Big Fresh Pond and Little Fresh Pond." Jun 19, 14 8:17 PM

"...The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation lists all of Long Island's waters as impaired. We are indeed in an endgame here, and we must play to win.

That is why getting The Long Island Water Quality Control Act passed is so crucial.[NY State Legislature Act and tomorrow is the last day for the vote for this legislative session.Call your Legislators!] Six months ago, the bill almost felt like a symbolic gesture. But then on January 24th of this year, Suffolk County released its Comprehensive Water Resources Management Plan, the first update since 1987, and the conclusions were grim. The scientific facts of the matter galvanized people on the local, state, and federal level, and from both sides of the aisle. With that, the bill found new life.

The Long Island delegation will make its case to the rest of the legislature and the Governor. In light of the findings, we need a strict new set of guidelines. Long Islanders -- future Long Islanders -- deserve the freedom to fish, swim, clam, and sail as those before them had. They are entitled to clean water. No one has the right to poison the well. No one." Can Long Island Be Saved, Part VII, by Marshall Brown, Blogger for the Huffington Post online, May 13, 2014, accessed online June 19, 2014." Jun 19, 14 10:19 PM

The Sandy Hollow Cove Project is in the wrong place, to be considered a "smart growth" project, as described by the Town of Southampton's own document on the subject.

"Another strategy with respect to land use is “Smart Growth” wherein development is directed to existing hamlet centers and employment centers, and where transit facilities are readily available. Housing closer to employment or vice versa reduces traffic demands and concentrates both employment centers and housing near transit routes. It facilitates alternative modes of transportation to/from work and home to encourage people to forego use of their automobile."

"There are major employment centers within the Town. In particular within the Village of Southampton; which has the Town Hall, Town Court facilities, Southampton Hospital, support businesses, a major commercial shopping district and a substantial industrial and commercial area on C.R. 39."

This project location will not discourage the use of a car. What about buying the red brick building next to the LIRR in Southampton? I saw a for sale sign on it today. Smart growth and affordable housing should be walking distance to the train/bus/taxi hub and walking distance to a food market and other services or places of employment for year-round employment. This would be encourage people to walk or bike, rather than use their cars." Jun 21, 14 5:44 PM

Legislators And Tuckahoe, Southampton Contemplate A Future Without A Merger

No one is mentioning the additional families with children from the 78-apartment/condo units the town has approved recently in the Tuckahoe school district. These PDD projects require a percentage of affordable housing units. They also allow property taxes to be waived for the developer.

I know this is true for the Sandy Hollow Cove Project of 28 apartments. Fifteen thousand dollars will go into a special town fund, in lieu of taxes that would normally be contributed to the Tuckahoe school district. Affordable housing it seems will be very expensive for the Tuckahoe school district.

I do not know if this will also be true for the 50 condo units with 2 to 3 bedrooms which will be sold as opposed to rented.

Why does the Town Council turn a blind eye to the impact on the Tuckahoe Community, which is already struggling to support the function of its present population of students?



" Sep 10, 14 10:22 PM

Neighbors File Lawsuit To Stop Sandy Hollow Apartments

The residents in the area who use the North Sea/Mecox Sucharge area for their public water or private water wells, are attempting to protect their sole source aquifer. A Suffolk County Water Authority statement:
"As mentioned in Task 5.2, Future Land Use Impacts, denitrification systems that are not operated and maintained by Suffolk County do not always operate properly and many have exceeded targeted effluent nitrate concentrations." This high-density project is on a sole source aquifer for many, many residences in the area. This includes public water residences and private well water residences. This high-density project will have an estimated 5,250 gallons of liquid waste generated daily. According to the Suffolk County Water Authority, the developer would have to pay, at 2013 prices, $4,165.00 for each of the existing 17 dwellings on Sandy Hollow Road if a new water main will be built down Sandy Hollow Road, however, and that is a big however, that does not include tapping fees for each dwelling of $1800, at 2013 prices, which the homeowners may need to pay. That also does not include the cost of installing a pipe from the tap into a dwelling, or the plumbing fees to disconnect the private well, before the public water is turned on in the dwelling, since one can't contaminate the other. Figure another $3,000.00 or more. On the other hand the residents who do not live along Sandy Hollow, Road, may have no main to tap into, and the cost could be more than $12,000.00 per dwelling.
" Oct 18, 14 4:16 PM

UPDATE: Tuckahoe-Southampton Merger Fails At Polls

Older people on fixed incomes and the disabled can't afford it, either. How many children will be in the 2-3 bedroom high density, 50 unit, housing project approved for Tuckahoe? Were those costs calculated in the merged budget? " Nov 18, 14 10:25 PM

I think both SH and T district parents should read the opinion of Martin Cantor, "School Consolidation and The Game Theory." You may be very surprised." Nov 19, 14 12:25 PM

Good points, oystercatcher. The details are very important to the taxpayers. The size of the cafeteria tables may need to be changed, and usually young elementary classrooms have bathrooms within the classroom. Will renovations be needed? What is the cost? If there is to be nap time, when the younger children place mats on the floor, is there enough floor space to accommodate the number of students in a classroom? What is the projected number of students, considering the high density projects that the town council has approved in Tuckahoe? The same is true for any other high density projects, the town council is planning, for other areas of Southampton Town. The other issue is that PDD housing projects which include HUD units, do not pay taxes to the school district.They pay a special consideration fee to the Town of Southampton. For example, the Proposed Sandy Cove Project of 28 rental units will not be paying enough in taxes to support the education of a single child. That project, in Tuckahoe School District, will pay the town $15,000.00 a year. I do not know if that is in perpetuity or for 99 years, or less." Nov 19, 14 3:51 PM

Nitrex System Promises Big Results, Minimal Odor

The warranty on this system is for 3 years. According to the terms of the warranty, only Nutrient Removal Technologies, Inc. aka as NRTI in Newton, MA, may maintain the system (deq.state.or.us/wq/onsite/docs/nitrexservicecontract.pdf). Is that company owned by the Nitrix patent holder in Newton, MA?
Will the Suffolk County Water Authority be allowed to monitor the maintenance of this system? Effluent ponding over the soil absorption area is one of the items to be monitored, as stated in the maintenance contract. What is the state of this effluent that can pond over when it is 300 feet from wetlands?
How can this statement about the system "......is passive and essentially maintenance free..." be correct after reading the 11 page maintenance contract? I found this statement at IdeaConection on the internet where patents are licensed. Just wondering...." Jan 12, 15 7:01 PM

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