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Aug 9, 2019 11:21 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: President Trump Arrives In Southampton To Attend Private Fundraisers On East End Friday

President Donald Trump's motorcade arrives in Southampton. GREG WEHNER
Aug 11, 2019 9:28 AM

UPDATE: 4:30 p.m.

Curious residents and presidential supporters and protestors waited in the sun for hours at the intersection of Pauls Lane and Halsey Lane in Bridgehampton to see Mr. Trump’s motorcade en route to Mr. Farrell’s residence. Halsey Lane, where Mr. Farrell lives, had been closed off by Southampton Town Police since the morning.

Many bystanders questioned whether Mr. Trump’s route would take him down Mecox Lane instead, an alternate route to the property, and police would not disclose that information.

Police from numerous departments began closing off Pauls Lane to traffic at 2:30 p.m. and Mr. Trump’s motorcade passed through 15 minutes later. The president waved to the group of about 30 bystanders gathered at the intersection as some cheered and others lifted up their protest signs. Mr. Graham was seated beside him.

During the wait, a growing number of people with protest signs joined the crowd. Two friends, Mary Sculley, of East Hampton, and Randy Culpepper, of Bridgehampton, spent the morning riding their bicycles around the neighborhood while wearing “Dump Trump” and “Trump = Racist Pig” signs around their necks.

“I'm just going to wave. It's a friendly protest,” Mr. Culpepper said, when asked what he plans to do when Mr. Trump passes by. “I'd love for him to see this and know that these are not all supporters out here waiting to see him.”

A Bridgehampton family made signs out of ripped up pieces of cardboard with messages about keeping immigrant families together.

Guests began to arrive at Mr. Farrell’s event at around 11 a.m. They parked in a grassy lot on Horsemill Lane, off Mecox Lane, and were shuttled to Mr. Farrell’s house.

UPDATE: 2 p.m.

Around 80 people showed up with signs, flags and anti-Trump attire, such as a white suit that is made to look like it’s covered in blood, at the protest in Water Mill, which ended at about 2 p.m.—well past its scheduled 1:00 p.m. conclusion.

The suit is worn by Richard Darling. The suit addresses violence in the country, especially with the recent shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio which led to a collective loss of 31 people, he said.

“Two days [after his visit to Dayton and El Paso,] he’s out raising money for his next campaign of hatred,” Mr. Darling said.

The protest was organized by local and grass root organizations such as Progressive East End Reformers (PEER), a multi-issue grassroot organization that advocates for racial, social and environmental justice. A similar protest was organized during Mr. Trump’s visit to the East End last year.

“I’d like [the people driving by] to see that the East End is for American values,” Kathyrn Szoka of PEER said. “We want to support our democracy.”

She added: “We are united against hate and in favor of drawing grassroot organizations together to mobilize changes, come 2020.”

This protest was not the first for Lisa Votino, a community organizer, who brought her 6-year-old daughter, Lily.

Her sign addressed the minors kept at migrant detention centers, and read “are we great yet?’” The sign was personal to her, she said, because she volunteered with asylum seekers in Tijuana, Mexico.

“Mr. Trump’s slogan is ‘Make America great again’ and I see nothing great happening right now,” Ms. Votino said. “I see kids in cages, I see logistics, policies and tweets that have real repercussions on the grounds and I’ve been witness to that many times.”

At about 11:45 a.m., speeches were given by a select few, including Ms. Szoka and Rabbi Jan Uhrbach of Conservative Synagogue of the Hamptons.

“We are facing a moral crisis in our country that is dangerous, obviously physically, as evidenced by the recent shootings and all violence in the country, but also spiritually to the soul of the country,” Rabbi Uhrbach said. “All spiritual leaders should speak out from a place of faith on moral issues.”

Though many of those driving past the protest on Montauk Highway honked and gave a thumbs up in approval, some disagreed with the protesters stance, yelling back sayings such as “Trump 2020!”

Protester Sandy Mancini affirmed that everyone at the protest remained respectful, expressing their freedom of speech. She said that the crowd “was great.”

UPDATE: 1:08 p.m.

Multiple police agencies, including the State Police, Suffolk County Police Department and Southampton Town Police Department, blocked off all traffic along Sunrise Highway and County Road 39 on Friday in an effort to protect President Donald Trump as he arrived in Southampton Town on Friday.

Mr. Trump’s motorcade passed by Hill Station Road at approximately 12:15 p.m., and turned off of County Road 39 to head up Shrubland Road toward Stephen Ross’s home in Southampton.

Small groups of supporters and protestors lined County Road 39 in anticipation of seeing Mr. Trump drive by, even though his vehicle turned off before reaching them.

Once Mr. Trump passed by the blocked off roads, they were opened back up to regular traffic, though residual backups persisted to the east and west of the temporary closure.

UPDATE: noon

President Trump’s motorcade left the Westhampton airport at about noon, heading to his first stop in Southampton.

UPDATE: 11:55 a.m.

At the Water Mill demonstration, about 60 protesters gathered in opposition to the president, carrying signs and vocalizing their opposition..

“We live in the real Hamptons, all the grassroot people, and our response is what you see right here,” Kathyrn Szoka of PEER said. “A large group of people are united to say ‘We support true American values’ and that was the reason we wanted to stand up as East-Enders and really be united in that.”

“This is what democracy looks like,” was one of the slogans that commuters heard as they drove past the windmill on Montauk Highway. Not all drivers were happy to hear and see the protesters.

“Trump 2020, four more years,” a man yelled at the protesters as he drove past them in his vehicle.

There is a police presence and crossing guard at the event.

UPDATE: 11:40 a.m.

Air Force One landed at Francis S. Gabreski Airport in Westhampton at about 11:40 a.m. The President was expected to greet visitors and dignitaries in attendance there.

Original Story:

President Donald Trump is scheduled to arrive at Francis S. Gabreski Airport in Westhampton Friday morning to attend two big-dollar fundraising events in the Hamptons.

Air Force One will land at 11 a.m., according to his itinerary published on Conservative Daily News, and Mr. Trump will then travel by motorcade to billionaire real estate developer Stephen Ross’s waterfront home in Southampton, as reported by several news sites.

He will participate in a private roundtable with several supporters in the home of Mr. Ross, owner of the Miami Dolphins and Equinox Fitness Clubs and founder of The Related Companies. From there, at 1:20 p.m., Mr. Trump will head via motorcade to local luxury builder Joe Farrell’s Bridgehampton estate, about 8 miles away, the itinerary states.

At the Farrell residence, Mr. Trump will give a one-hour speech and join Donald Trump Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Republican National Committee chairpersons, and others. The itinerary states that he will depart at 3:05 p.m. back to Gabreski Airport, where he will then head to his home in Bedminster, New Jersey.

Law enforcement officials said shortly before the president’s scheduled arrival time that he is running 45 minutes late.

While Mr. Trump shakes hands with the wealthy, a peaceful protest will take place at the Water Mill Green, near the windmill, on the corner of Route 27 and Halsey Lane, organized by Long Island political activism groups. Based on his schedule, the presidential motorcade will likely not pass the protest.

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WELCOME TO OUR PRESIDENT - TRUMP! MAGA!
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Aug 9, 19 11:57 AM
What a fun day... Thank you J F for a interesting afternoon ...

and remember... Keep America Great! TRUMP 2020 !
By joe hampton (3391), The Hamptons on Aug 9, 19 7:52 PM
Close the border at Rt 27!!!!
By MelissaA (52), Sag Harbor on Aug 9, 19 12:17 PM
Might be a ploy to round up ILLEGALS and take then back on Air Force One to the border...
By knitter (1846), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 12:36 PM
Somebody please send me a picture of Lee Zeldin sitting on his lap.
By harbor (409), East Hampton on Aug 9, 19 2:33 PM
Has he grabbed anyone by the you-know-what yet? He can you know because he's a legend in his own mind.
By country joe (60), sag harbor on Aug 9, 19 2:49 PM
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By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Aug 9, 19 3:18 PM
He still employs undocumented workers for his tacky clubs and condos like a hypocrite. He knows he is despised here and in NYC where those he worships - the true elite - and people with common sense - find him revolting.
By 38 (5), southampton on Aug 9, 19 3:23 PM
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Nice photo of Trump supporters letting the American flag touch the ground.
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 9, 19 4:28 PM
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Ain't zat Z truth!

Make America Grate Again . . .

:(
By Nero (290), Sag Harbor on Aug 9, 19 7:41 PM
It's always fascinating seeing these protestors purportedly decrying violence yet fawning over and supporting the same Hollywood types who are releasing a murder porn movie where the whole plot is a bunch of rich Hamptonite type champagne liberals have a bunch of conservative "deplorables" kidnapped and released into a game preserve whereupon they gag, stalk, terrorize, hunt, shoot and violently murder them because they have different political beliefs.
By localEH (424), East Hampton on Aug 9, 19 4:30 PM
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I don't think politics is part of The Hunt's plot, it's just rich vs. poor.

Also, in case anyone didn't realize, the rich ones are the BAD GUYS.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 19 4:36 PM
@ localEH

True believer boobalciousness.

Alt-Right blogs misconstrue an upcoming film ("The Hunt") with the familiar "rich people hunt poor people for sport" theme and impute a non-existent ideological slant to it, alleging that the rich people are "liberals" and the poor people are "conservatives", and you bite on that big, shiny defamatory lure just like the credulous true believer fish that you are.*

You lot are the laziest people in the world.



* ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 9, 19 6:31 PM
love love love our president !
By Erin 27 E (1235), hampton bays on Aug 9, 19 7:57 PM
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If one cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality, "The Most Dangerous Game" takes on a whole new gamut...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 10, 19 2:03 AM
What a waste of time to “protest”. It’s so old. At least they all had an excuse to play arts and crafts for a while. 14 paragraphs about “protestors”, and a 2-1/2 minute video. Why no pictures or videos of supporters along the way? Right, it doesn’t fit the narrative. Anyway, I hope Trump took in alot of money today.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 4:41 PM
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"What a waste of time" he thought of the protesters, clicking away at the keyboard, seemingly fulfilled by his posts on the comment section of his local newspaper's website.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 19 4:55 PM
And yet your respond...click click click on your keyboard
By bb (907), Hampton Bays on Aug 13, 19 5:16 PM
The protesters seem completely unhinged with no basis in reality for their inane rantings. President Trump will win his second term in a landslide as more and more normal Americans become fed up with the alt left's psychotic behavior.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 9, 19 5:12 PM
It doesn't get much more psychotic than believing in an invisible being which lives in the sky.

The Rebel Evangelical: Dismantling the Loyalty of Christian Trump Supporters

By Nina Burleigh
08/07/19 3:23 PM EDT

White evangelical Christians have proven to be President Trump's most reliable base of support. But not all of their leaders are on board. Russell D. Moore, a pastor and author—and the president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the public ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 10, 19 11:17 PM
Bf, they are not unhinged. Unhinged is people chanting “send them back”. These people are exercising their rights as Americans by protesting. If you think this racist bigoted low moral president is the greatest thing ever, then I’d have to think you are unhinged or delusional or both.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 5:17 PM
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Nice to see SNOWFLAKES on the ground in august. Jump up and down when hillerys husband was here. WHOO HOO
By knitter (1846), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 5:43 PM
Knitter, who has the thinnest skin of them all? Of course it’s trump. On your post about the whites you posted, “TRUST ME”. I found that funny, it’s trumps go to line. Snowflakes? Careful
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 6:02 PM
MSNBC’s Deutsch: Dem's Should Label GOP ‘the Party of Assault Weapons’

The world has already named the DNC the party of treacherous diabolical A* Hats
By joe hampton (3391), The Hamptons on Aug 9, 19 7:56 PM
@ joe Hampton: Yet another instance of a winger going off half-cocked based on poor comprehension. Deutsch said the GOP should be labelled the Party of Assault, not of assault weapons. Because of its assaults on democracy, on black and brown folk, on children, on workers, on journalists, on farmers, on climate and climate scientists, on health insurance, etc, etc.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 9, 19 8:55 PM
Joe Hampton, I think we already named you that. Try a different nickname
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 8:03 PM
Trump will easily win in a landslide victory, as more voters are becoming aware of the mudslinging and hypocrisy of the left. We truly are the silent majority, so much more so than in 2016. What I saw in the video was mostly a group of old bitties, who long for the more innocent days of the Democratic Party. Those days are gone. Times, they are a changing. More people than you would ever imagine are siding with President Trump over any one of the potential Democrat candidates. The Democrat party ...more
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 8:13 PM
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Political analysis a la Lets go mets.
Hilarious.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 9, 19 9:05 PM
Bah June Humbug
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 10, 19 7:32 AM
Let’s go Mets, great name , your political views not so good. If he has to sway a small percentage of the electorate, you think his racist rants will sway anyone?landslide is not the word I’m thinking of. He’s at 39-40% approval rating, and tweeting racist bigoted things. If that’s his strategy, good luck. Just on this site , more people are speaking out about him. Keep up the fight, may the racists be with you.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 8:22 PM
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TRUMP 2020!
By A Great American (97), East Quogue on Aug 10, 19 12:16 AM
So I saw a meme yesterday that had a picture of Trump,Moscow Mitch, and Pablo Ryan and the Line: " The only thing easier to buy in America than a gun...Is a Republican."

Looks like we had a Buyers market on Friday!
By V.Tomanoku (782), southampton on Aug 10, 19 1:29 AM
Fake News.

The Looser a State's Gun Laws, The More Shootings it Has
By Megan Molteni
SCIENCE
08.06.1903:11 PM


In a paper published earlier this year in BMJ (previously the British Medical Journal), epidemiologists at Columbia University looked back at the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s crime database from 1998 to 2015 to calculate annual rates of mass shootings in each state. Then they matched that up against each year’s edition of the Traveler’s ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 10, 19 2:20 AM
The protestors got sunburn, the President got $12,000,000.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 10, 19 6:38 AM
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Are leftists still doxxing donors of President Trump?
If so, they're gonna need help.
...trickle down
By loading... (579), quiogue on Aug 10, 19 8:35 AM
Fyi, the act of donating makes your identity a public record.

Perhaps if you don't want people to know that you donate to Trump, you shouldn't donate to Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 19 10:11 AM
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Donate less than $200 a pop which won't be public record and drive the Left crazy bigly.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 8:06 AM
Yes, please be shamed into donating less, that's definitely not their goal or anything.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 8:19 AM
or...

$1000 = $200x5
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 8:47 AM
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Imagine people who think individual donation reporting requirements can be avoided by structuring their donations over time.

That's the level of genius we're dealing with, folks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 9:08 AM
...and then there is donating to a PAC.

In 2008 a third of Obama's donations were less than $200. It adds up!

TRUMP2020
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 9:27 AM
But we're clear that two $200 donations, whether to a candidate or to a PAC, will still be reported to the FEC, right?

Or, in the FEC's own words: "A contribution from an individual is itemized on Schedule A, supporting Line 11(a)(i), when it:

exceeds $200 or

aggregates over $200 when added to other contributions received from the same source during the election cycle."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 9:36 AM
Imagine the level of genius to assume I was referring to the same individual vs. multiple donors. Tsk tsk....
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 9:55 AM
Lol, a straw donor is a person who illegally uses another person's money to make a political contribution in their own name.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:03 AM
Imagine the level of genius to assume I was referring to the same individual vs. multiple donors...making a contribution in another person's name... Tsk tsk....
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:06 AM
So you're asking new donors to make up the difference in the contributions others have been shamed into decreasing so their identity remains a secret?

That's a bold move, let us now how it works out.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:11 AM
Did you see how much the president raised the other day?

No shame in that!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:13 AM
You're the one suggesting that people "donate less than $200 a pop" to avoid public disclosure.

Sounds like shame to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:17 AM
Naah, you're the one suggesting if you don't want people to know that you donate to Trump, you shouldn't donate .

Bullying is truly shameful.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:31 AM
Is it bullying to disassociate from people whose beliefs you disagree with?

Is it bullying to boycott businesses who support policies you disagree with?

Sounds like capitalism and the marketplace of ideas at work!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:39 AM
Did you see how much the president raised the other day?

No shame in that capitalism and marketplace ideas at work!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:47 AM
Honestly I didn't, but I look forward to seeing the list of people and businesses I should avoid!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:48 AM
Let us now how it works out.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 11:00 AM
You know I will ;-)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 11:25 AM
Great! Looking forward to capitalism and the marketplace of ideas at work.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 11:33 AM
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That's what the guy whose sporting goods store went under said when he famously stopped stocking Nike goods as a form of protest after the Colin Kaepernick commercial.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 12:04 PM
Yeah, and Nike's stock went up.

Go for it!!!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 8:01 AM
Up more than 10% since January 1. Must be doing something right!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 8:08 AM
There you go. We can only hope for the same results for the companies you're boycotting!!

Bring it!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 9:23 AM
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Which store and where?
By bb (907), Hampton Bays on Aug 13, 19 5:22 PM
Prime Time Sports in Colorado.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 5:42 PM
Loading, good point. Only problem it’s part of the public record. It’s not doxxing if it’s already public. But doxxing neo-nazis is a different story, it’s a good thing
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 8:45 AM
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neo-nazi fake news hoaxer.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 10, 19 9:08 AM
The internet list of dead people associated with the Clintons just got longer.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 10, 19 9:29 AM
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@ even flow (& Sturgis)

Donald Trump commenting on his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein:

"I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."*

In light of Trump's assertion, murderous implications would be more reasonably directed at the man who has professed both his friendship with Epstein and his knowledge of Epstein's preference ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 10, 19 12:05 PM
Hahahaha
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Aug 11, 19 12:20 AM
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Makes sense. Based on that statement, the only conclusion one can draw must obviously possess murderous implications.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 11, 19 7:41 AM
ARKANCIDE!! Epstein and Bill Clinton took many a trip to Orgy Island on the Lolita Express , without the Secret Service. Clinton is a sexual predator and Epstein had plenty of dirt on him and the Clinton Crime Syndicate could not let him live , prison gave the perfect opportunity to take him out and that's that.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 11, 19 7:53 AM
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HHS I have a serious question...
Are you really disgusted by Trumps comment about younger beautiful women?
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Aug 11, 19 9:32 AM
What a colossal waste of money! How many hundreds of police officers were needed to pick up his graft. Maybe he can squeeze in one more tax cut for the one percenters before he's voted out of office. Well, how do you right wing peons and serfs feel now, you didn't even qualify for a rally or a picture! If you didn't't pony up huge sums, I guess you just don't count for the orange chimpanzee! Keep thinking he's for you as he rolls up record amounts of debt!
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 10:53 AM
Did you say the same thing when Obama and Hillary came for money?
By auntof9 (153), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 11:40 AM
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Remember when Obama allowed the Bush tax cuts for one-percenters to expire?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 19 11:46 AM
Remember Auntie how you grieved for Lt.Theinert, yet you support General bone spurs whose father used a tenant to pony up a false medical claim to skip out of serving Viet Nam while others paid the ultimate price. At least Agent Orange escaped without a STD, according to him. I will never understand your warped sense of values in supporting such a worthless, gutless, classless, lowlife pos.
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 3:08 PM
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wow...warped sense of values? You must be a Veteran of Nam or lost someone in Nam. I guess you are not a fan of those that fled to Canada or had valid/invalid medical claims or were in college to escape the draft. We all have our reasons for liking or disliking people. I get you dislike Trump because he was a draft dodger. Fair enough but you don't know me or my values.
By auntof9 (153), Southampton on Aug 11, 19 1:15 PM
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So please explain your addiction to Agent Orange. I guess your a fan of his tax cuts to the one percenters. Those people were really suffering. Now we are accumulating all-time record levels of debt. Maybe it's his bought and paid for stance by the NRA on guns. Your okay with the status quo and the epidemic of mass murder shootings. Your okay with him cozying up to commie dictators? How's that working out? Kim is shooting test missile after test missile. Drumpf looks good on Putin's knee! Environmentally ...more
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 12, 19 11:09 AM
Trump and his supporters smell worse than lobster bait!
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 11:58 AM
I can't tolerate the nonsense posted by the nasty left. Ignorance, name calling like spoiled children.
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Aug 10, 19 5:06 PM
But you tolerate the world-class name calling by the squatter in the oval office? Really needed that giggle--thanks a bunch!
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 10, 19 5:48 PM
Taz, here’s another comment from a left wing radical. David Frum, from The Atlantic......Reactions to actions by Trump are always filtered through the prism of the ever-more-widely accepted view—within his administration, within Congress, within the United States and around the world—that the 45th president is a reckless buffoon, a conspiratorial racist moron, whose weird comments should be disregarded by sensible people. dang liberals
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 11, 19 7:32 AM
How mature..."they" can do it so "we" can do it.

Name calling from anyone is childish.
By bb (907), Hampton Bays on Aug 13, 19 5:21 PM
It's pathetic to see the wealthy old white hippies trying to re-live their Woodstock days, considering they made their money off of Republican policies.
By Babyboo (292), Hampton Bays on Aug 10, 19 6:30 PM
Every Democrat Proposal

Phase I- Confiscate all your income
Phase II- ??
Phase III- Utopia
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 11, 19 7:02 AM
Certainly can tell we live in a liberal area, pretty sad reading some of the comments above about the President. The disrespect of any President is pretty sad... So keep coming with you nasty comments and get ready for Trump 2020. Keep making America greater.
By RayCard (9), Sag Harbor, New York on Aug 11, 19 7:08 AM
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By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 11, 19 7:15 AM
It's amazing how you Agent Orange supporters love when Drumpf speaks his divisive, racist, politically incorrect plain talk with all of it's dog whistles. But you turn into complete snowflakes when the other side is politically incorrect or telling it like it is. you can dish it out, but you can't take it. Not to worry, you and your ilk will be back under your rocks when he gets swept away in fifteen months. All your white nationalist dreams squashed!
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 11, 19 7:48 PM
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Just think in the next few weeks alot of the Democrap candidates will becoming out to the east end to suck up money... then instead of protesting you all will be supporting those people that think they can destroy America.
By RayCard (9), Sag Harbor, New York on Aug 11, 19 7:11 AM
Gun control and Gun reform will be first things done. We will vote out politicians who are bought and paid for by the NRA. Time to stop the carnage, massacres, and slaughters perpetrated by right wing nuts.
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 12, 19 7:43 AM
Get real, Mets. That won't happen unless a mass shooter attacks a fancy private school full of Senators' kids.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 7:49 AM
Define "gun control and "gun reform" that will "stop the carnage," please.

Get real, Mets. That won't happen unless a mass shooter attacks a fancy private school full of Congressman/woman's kids.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 7:59 AM
I disagree, Po. The House is easy because they represent the population, and the population is way in favor of gun laws, it's specifically the Senate that won't go for it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 8:17 AM
I disagree, Fore. The House doesn't want to give Trump a win. They both represent the population and if it was easy, it would have been done already.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 8:56 AM
Nah, the Senate represents the states. That's why you hear people complaining that a person in Wyoming gets more representation in the Senate than a person in New York.

Or, from the Senate's own website: "two senators represent each state."

By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 9:07 AM
Yep, and a state is made up of...wait for it...constituents.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 9:29 AM
"two senators represent each state."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 9:36 AM
Who in the state elects the senators?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 9:48 AM
That's why you hear people complaining that a person in Wyoming gets more representation in the Senate than a person in New York.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 9:52 AM
I didn't realize Senators were appointed by "the state."

Who knew...
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 9:56 AM
New York has a population of 8.5M+ while Wyoming has a population of less than 600K, but they both get two Senate seats.

I think you get my point.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:07 AM
The point is, Senators are still elected by the people even if they represent each state.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:15 AM
I agree with you. I also think gun-control laws are more likely to pass in the House than the Senate because Senators represent states while the House represents population.

I wouldn't think that's such a controversial point.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 10:20 AM
Before 1913 Senators were chosen by their state legislatures. The Founding Fathers believed that since the Senators represented the state, the state legislature should elect them. The 17th Amendment to the Constitution requires Senators to be elected by a direct vote of those she or he will represent.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 12, 19 10:21 AM
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@ even flow

Quote:

"The internet list of dead people associated with the Clintons just got longer."
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Sorry, even flow, I thought you were implying that the Clintons were culpable in the deaths of these unnamed "dead people"

My reply was intended to point out the abysmal asininity of your completely unsupported suggestion.

On the other hand, if you were merely making a harmless, apolitical observation, my apologies. ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 11, 19 2:13 PM
You know anyone besides the Clintons with a list of dead associates that’s about 60 names long? Save it drummer boy.
Aug 12, 19 6:40 AM appended by even flow
And you have spent years defending Jay Sears’ putting the pictures of local girls’ faces on the bodies of naked women. No victim you said. Benefit of doubt for the pedophile who takes out full page ads of himself in angel wings?
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 12, 19 6:40 AM
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You must be really young. Go chat with your grandparents and they'll be happy to tell you how many associates they've lost.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 7:14 AM
You too. Save the cutesy nonsense.
Aug 12, 19 7:22 AM appended by even flow
Neither my grandparents nor the Veterans I know lost associates to suicide while in solitary awaiting child sex trafficking indictments. Nor did any of them lose their suddenly brakes and fly off an embankment.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 12, 19 7:22 AM
But you were never that disgusted by Jay Sears ....interesting...
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Aug 12, 19 7:25 AM
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Even Flow: or any veteran, for that matter.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 7:30 AM
@ even flow & Biba

Specious, malign implications and deceitful misrepresentations.

Even flow, your baseless insinuation that the Clintons are responsible for ANY of those deaths only reveals the depth of your infantile prejudice.

Biba, when did I ever indicate that I didn't find Jay Sears' behavior offensive? What I DID say was that it shouldn't be CRIMINAL because it was HARMLESS (even flow's witless contrary opinion notwithstanding.)

It would be nice once to ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 12, 19 8:48 AM
Was Epstein's life ended to silence him,
or to trigger the release of an encryption key?
By loading... (579), quiogue on Aug 12, 19 12:08 PM
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Our world is ruled by alien reptilians who live under Denver airport ; )
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 12, 19 2:36 PM
The stupid just burns...

Next thing you know they'll be dredging up Vince Foster.
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 12, 19 4:47 PM
Try a liberal application of Trump's Butt+Hurt Salve.

...Formula 45
By loading... (579), quiogue on Aug 12, 19 6:01 PM
Stupidest. Administration. Ever.


Trump administration overhauls Endangered Species Act as critics fear animal extinction

Doyle Rice, USA TODAY Published 10:29 a.m. ET Aug. 12, 2019 | Updated 4:02 p.m. ET Aug. 12, 2019
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 12, 19 9:14 PM
My comment stands. The internet list of dead people associated with the Clintons is now longer. That’s it. Every syllable is accurate. To the extent you don’t like that undeniable truth, I can’t help you.

Your obvious soft spot for pedophiles and angel wing wearing deviants is noted.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 13, 19 7:14 AM
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Yeah, you're definitely not trying to imply anything, right? Save it. Pure conjecture and innuendo.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 7:34 AM
Said the guy who thinks a hooker urinated on Trump in the kremlin just before he and Putin collaborated on a dozen or so facebook ads which succeeded in getting 63 million Americans to mistakenly vote against hillary clinton.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 13, 19 7:39 AM
I don't think I said any of that, but feel free to point out where I did.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 8:22 AM
@ even flow

Indeed, even flow, your asinine, infantile smear of the Clintons stands.

As does your libelous misconstuction of my stance regarding pedophiles.

Dishonor and stupidity vie for primacy of place in your character. You make true believers proud.
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 13, 19 8:35 AM
Did Trumps comments harm anyone?
Aug 13, 19 11:31 AM appended by Biba
Crazy people committing violent crimes existed long before Trump became president. However I’m specifically asking about his comments in reference to Epstein
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Aug 13, 19 11:31 AM
Have you seen the list of people claiming Trump incited their violent acts?

The latest I've seen is Cesar Sayoc who "began to consider Democrats as not just dangerous in theory, but imminently and seriously dangerous to his personal safety" and decided to mail them bombs as a result of Trump's rhetoric.
Aug 14, 19 11:40 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Sure Biba, but how often do they blame the POTUS for inciting their violent acts?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 11:40 AM
Biba, trumps racist comments are completely harmless. Thanks for pointing that out.the comments didn’t hurt anyone, other then destroying our country and dividing the country, completely harmless
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 11:40 AM
I’m talking specifically about his comments about Epstein, pay attention....
And it’s your opinion he’s a racist .
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Aug 13, 19 12:07 PM
Oh sorry, yes he’s still a racist
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 12:12 PM
What comments? Only someone focused on race could be a racist.

Which racist comments are you referring to?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 10:04 PM
Lol, "no I'm not talking about THOSE comments, I'm talking about THESE comments."

You're a riot, Biba.

Hey Po, if you need a reminder, telling people to go back to their country because you don't like what they have to say is racist, regardless of what comes before or after.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 7:37 AM
That's one view. Another is telling them to go back to their country, fix what is broken and telling them to come back and show us how it is done is welcoming and empowering.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 9:12 AM
What's "their country"? They're American!
Aug 14, 19 9:14 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Coincidentally, assuming someone is from another country because of how they look is a form of prejudice, and further assuming that country is worse than the U.S. is a form of racism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 9:14 AM
Deflect deflect deflect. Your not good at this
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 14, 19 9:15 AM
We get it now. The left is anti-American flag, anti-police, anti-military, anti-capitalist, anti-Republican, anti-Civil War History, anti-Semitic and anti-white male. You guys must be exhausted, take a knee now.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 14, 19 9:32 AM
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"They're American!"

Are they?

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 9:52 AM
Nah, just anti-racism.
Aug 14, 19 9:54 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Po: yes, they are. Suggesting people who were naturalized or born here are less than American is shameful, and doing it because of the way they look is also racist.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 9:54 AM
I don't think it's the act of being naturalized that is the issue. But you already knew that.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 10:17 AM
Whether or not they fit the mold of what YOU think it means to be American, the fact remains that they are American because AMERICA decided they were. Die mad about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:24 AM
Nah, they're anti-American.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 10:44 AM
They're Americans by definition. Stay salty.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:56 AM
Oh please FBHG again with the obtuse act.....boring.........
I'm talking specifically about the comments Trump made about Epstein.

It's my opinion that Trump has never made a racist comment just as it's YOUR opinion he has.....I've explained to you numerous times that you're entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine.

But back to the topic.

HHS is offended by Trumps comments and concurrence about Epstein's appreciation of young women. Yet Jay Sears' ...more
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Aug 14, 19 1:25 PM
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Yes, but why are you only worried about whether some of the President's tweets incite violence but not the rest? Isn't it bad enough that ANY of them incite violence?

You're free to believe telling people to go back to their country isn't racist. What is not debatable is that the people he was talking about are Americans.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:03 PM
@ Biba

To reiterate, the "beautiful women ... on the younger side" whom Epstein "liked" were underage girls that he RAPED.

Your implication that Jay Sears would have molested/raped[?] children if he hadn't been arrested a second time emphasizes the inane deceit inherent in your "reasoning". In the absence of any ACTUAL harmful acts with which to make a case against him, you fantasize FICTITIOUS FUTURE harmful acts that exist only in your own malicious mind.

Only a true ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 15, 19 11:34 AM
Here it is po boy. Gun ownership would become a privilege not a right. Upstanding citizen after a background check with no mental issues or convictions for aggressive or criminal behavior qualify for gun ownership. I have no problem a home owner having a hand gun to defend his homestead from say, a drug crazed animal looking to do harm to your family, especially in the poorer neighborhoods.Hunters would have their rifles as well. Outlawing military style assault weapons, just like New Zealand did ...more
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 12, 19 8:35 PM
Yes, they think it is.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 19 8:38 PM
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By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 12, 19 9:22 PM
We don't think it is unreasonable...it IS unreasonable.

Gun ownership is both a privilege and a right. Currently. This already exists: "Upstanding citizen after a background check with no mental issues or convictions for aggressive or criminal behavior qualify for gun ownership."

It's unreasonable for two reasons. 1) What you describe is currently in place... so you think and feel good about "solving a problem" when you're really not...and 2) What if I need a "military style ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 8:00 AM
Banning military style assault weapons would curtail many mass murder massacres. So you lose 10, 20, 30 ,40 ,50 people that's the price you pay for keeping the second amendment intact. That's the way it goes, c'est la vie. Pretty much your stance isn't it pobay. I guess you consider it reasonable in this day and age to have an epidemic of mass murder massacres and the status quo works for you.
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 8:17 AM
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Unreasonable is a matter of opinion, Po.

You're right Mets, mass murder is normal and we should all get over it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 8:24 AM
"Opinion" as you've used it when based on actual facts as we know them isn't opinion Fore. It's a statement of fact. The statement in question was a statement of something that already exists. Suggesting something to be changed to a state that already exists, IS unreasonable.

So now we're on to the issue of "banning." What would you suggest for the countless of "assault" weapons in existence??

Mass murder isn't normal and until we begin acknowledging and addressing the issues ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 9:22 AM
But you can rest assured it will be a gun, probably an assault rifle. Sleep tight, mass murders will continue, a shoulder shrug is all we will get. Thoughts and prayers
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 9:33 AM
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FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind. Thoughts and prayers.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 9:44 AM
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I'm not suggesting anything, Po. In fact, I'm saying the opposite: no policy change will decrease mass murder. The number of firearms already in the wild is also too great for gun control to have a meaningful effect, and as their owners age and die more of them will fall through the cracks.

The only solution is to hug your kids and hold them tight, because they might not come home tonight.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 9:48 AM
Well, that's a good policy regardless for those you care about, don't you think?

But hugging your kids tight isn't the only solution. We've always had guns. It begs the question, what's different now.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 10:09 AM
Have we always had as many guns as we do now?

"According to the Congressional Research Service, there are roughly twice as many guns per capita in the United States as there were in 1968: more than 300 million guns in all." Guns In America, By The Numbers. January 5, 2016, NPR.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 19 10:55 AM
Can you give me the facts of a mass murder by hammer or club? I haven't heard of any. Your arguments are pathetic for a changing world. Doing nothing is not an option. Thoughts and prayers for you! See how empty that sounds.
By Mets fan (1477), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 12:12 PM
Cherry pick much. You forgot all the other deaths by firearms. I’ll agree, as soon as you can show where 9 people were killed in 30 seconds by a hammer. Good luck
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 12:26 PM
Grading on a curve, are we?

Oy....
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 4:34 PM
You are with your cherry picking facts
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 4:45 PM
"....facts"

DOH!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 13, 19 10:01 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind."
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Oh, my! Po Boy has finessed the FBI report!* Who woudda believed it!

In reality, the FBI indexed "blunt objects", not just "hammers and clubs". That statistic would include rocks, sticks etc., items that one passes on the street hundreds of times as day and which one could employ as a weapon should one so choose. Yet despite the ready availability ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 14, 19 9:26 AM
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Thanks hat. Welcome to the party, even if fashionably late.

If you note, the original post to which I responded mentioned rifles..."probably an assault rifle" to be exact. But since you're a stats guy apparently, let's look closer....

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. I await your support for the banning of doctors.

Aug 14, 19 9:43 AM appended by Po Boy
I bet you pass a firearm countless times each day as well hat, and you didn't even know it. GASP!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 9:43 AM
You're right Po, being a victim of a doctor is obviously the same as being a victim of a mass shooter.

I remember the last time I went to the mass shooter's office and asked them to point a gun at me. Good thing I had mass shooting insurance!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:01 AM
Good thing! I had to go to the struck by lightning office the other day. Unfortunately for me, my mass shooter insurance is government run and they couldn't take me for three months.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 10:16 AM
"Mass shootings shouldn't be a priority because you're more likely to die in an accident or a natural phenomenon." Thanks for your input!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:25 AM
"Mass shooting insurance is for suckers. Getting struck by lightning insurance is more bang for the buck." My pleasure!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 14, 19 10:43 AM
Lightning strikes are a red herring. Nobody alleges government policy can impact the incidence lightning strikes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 19 10:56 AM
@ Po Boy

Holy casuistry, Po Boy!

Are you REALLY comparing "medical errors" to "murders"? (The latter is what the 10,982 figure in the FBI table referenced.)

Somehow I doubt that the doctors in question had the requisite INTENT. Ditto the bolt of lightening.

A new low - - - even for YOU.

By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 14, 19 1:14 PM
LOL....

Oh, it's about INTENT - who knew. Well, then....FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

"rest assured it will be a gun, probably an assault rifle." FALSE!

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 9:23 AM
In an act of mass murder? It's certainly more likely to be a gun than a hammer.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 9:40 AM
For the record, I meant mass murders. But carry on your lame line of reasoning, it makes zero sense, but your peeps love it
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 15, 19 10:15 AM
@ Po Boy

Other than repeating your deliberate misstatement of the FBI report, your post is incoherent.

Would you like to take a shot at explaining what the THOUGHT was that generated your latest non-sequitur?
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 15, 19 11:28 AM
What part was mistated? What part was a "deliberate mistatement?"

Doesn't "deliberate" speak to state of mind? How would you know that? Without knowing that, wouldn't that make your statement, a deliberate mistatement? I can take a guess given your MO, but isn't THAT even a mistatement for you only rely on your jaded perception, do you not? LMAO... but I digress...onward....

Did Fred o not state "You forgot all the other deaths by firearms" in addressing the FBI hammers and ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 1:45 PM
Now you're purposely ignoring Fred's clarification about what he meant.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:56 PM
Are you hat?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:08 PM
Are you having a public conversation?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:10 PM
Am I Fred?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:16 PM
I wouldn't know.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:17 PM
Is there anything constructive coming out of this?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:25 PM
Is there anything constructive coming out of this?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:25 PM
Is there anything constructive coming out of this?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:25 PM
I'm pointing you to Fred's clarification in case you missed it, and accusing you of purposely ignoring it if you didn't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:30 PM
Please, I think Po boy is an ok guy, but he couldn’t handle being a nut like me.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 15, 19 2:41 PM
Hat will appreciate the clarification.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 18, 19 2:29 PM
Well hello, hello! Among the pics with this article, there’s — wait for it — ALEX GREGOR standing proud and photo-hungry with Brookhaven highway supe Losquardo as they, in the words of the caption, “wait to greet President Donald Trump at Gabreski Airport . . . “

Yup, ALEX GREGOR, the great man of the people, the great self-proclaimed liberal, standing there waiting to kiss up to Baby Donald. Wonder how that will go over with the several progressive Democrats ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1957), Quiogue on Aug 12, 19 9:48 PM
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Make Southampton Great Again.
Always Vote For Donald Trump.
Don't Ever Vote For Alex Gregor.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 15, 19 9:40 AM
A Democrat Party stooge is offended by a town official meeting PRESIDENT Trump, yaaaaawn.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 13, 19 6:45 AM
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I’m here in Stop N Shop getting milk and I’m reminded of the democratic Presidential candidates... 0%, 1% or 2% are my choices.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 14, 19 7:12 AM
... are they out of soy ?
By loading... (579), quiogue on Aug 14, 19 7:31 AM
'No Blame?' ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

By Mike Levine
Aug 14, 2019, 4:01 AM ET
.
In nine cases, perpetrators hailed Trump in the midst or immediate aftermath of physically attacking innocent victims. In another 10 cases, perpetrators cheered or defended Trump while taunting or threatening others. And in another 10 cases, Trump and his rhetoric were cited in court to explain a defendant's violent or threatening ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 14, 19 7:09 PM
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They don't care, Z. Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and he wouldn't lose their support.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 6:56 AM
How about if we brought a gun to a knife fight?
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 15, 19 7:51 AM
What does that have to do with the rising number of people claiming Trump incited their violent acts?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 7:58 AM
DEADLY GERMS, LOST CURES

Tainted Pork, Ill Consumers and an Investigation Thwarted
Drug-resistant infections from food are growing. But powerful industry interests are blocking scientists and investigators from getting information they need to combat the problem.

By Matt Richtel
Aug. 4, 2019

Dr. James Johnson, a professor at the University in Minnesota and an expert in resistant infections. “The people who stand to benefit from having everyone remain ignorant ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 15, 19 12:58 AM
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You guys better stop or I’ll hire Fredo Cuomo to “wreck your ass”. After that I’ll buy you lemon drop and have Don Lemon walk it over to you. Save the puppy!
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 15, 19 6:49 AM
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay? Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you I will pay the legal fees. I promise, I promise."


By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 15, 19 10:54 AM
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By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 15, 19 12:59 PM
When you say Trump "never did it" but then bring up accusations about someone else, are you willfully ignoring the many accusations against Trump or simply ignorant of them?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:12 PM
Can't the same thing be said of the many accusations against Hillry and Bill? Are you simply ignorant of them (and a hypocrite)?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 1:25 PM
Please point me to where I defended Bill Clinton against accusations of sexual assault.

If there are any allegations that Hillary committed sexual assault, I am absolutely ignorant of them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:34 PM
Please point me to where I defended Bill Clinton against accusations of sexual assault.

If there are any allegations that Hillary committed sexual assault, I am absolutely ignorant of them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:34 PM
Did I say you did? Please point me in the direction that president Trump....[insert allegation against Hillary here].
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 1:47 PM
Diseased said Trump "never did it" despite there being many accusations.

I never said Clinton "never did it" in the face of many accusations, ergo there is no hypocrisy at play.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:52 PM
Did I say you said that?

I said, "Can't the same thing be said of the many accusations against Hillary and Bill?"
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 1:57 PM
The same can be said of Bill. I'm ignorant of any sexual assault allegations against Hillary.

I'm not defending either of them so where's the hypocrisy?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:09 PM
You think Hillary was oblivious to the allegations of sexual misconduct?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:24 PM
Why should I answer your questions if you won't answer mine?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:29 PM
Fore, those women are liars, all 16 of them. Anything trump doesn’t like, he calls them liars. Simple
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 15, 19 1:26 PM
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Exactly, Fred. He goes on the attack and his supporters eat it up. He could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any support.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:36 PM
Isn't that what Hillary did against Bill's accusers? Go on the attack?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 1:48 PM
I wouldn't know, but feel free to elaborate. In fact, use as much of your time as you want attacking a failed presidential candidate, I have zero objections.
Aug 15, 19 1:55 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
What? Tired of talking about irrelevant former politicians already? You barely started!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 1:55 PM
Glad we could clear that up.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 15, 19 2:03 PM
Were there 16 of them? Trumps a liar,
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 15, 19 1:52 PM
None of the accusations were proven to be true. So yeah...he never did it. Most, if not all of the accusers, look like they just took of their pink vagina hats off...especially that last one with the Hitler hairdo. Feminazis with an agenda. And Hillary didn’t have to sexually assault anymore. Her complicity in regards to her husbands pedophilia is enough for me. Speaking of Slick Willie. Has anyone seen the picture they found of him in Epstein’s house? It’s a painting of Bill in ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 15, 19 2:09 PM
Lol, "almost 100% prove..."

In other words, to quote you: "none of the accusations were proven to be true."

Talk about hypocrisy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 19 2:12 PM
More outrage from angry old white women.
By Babyboo (292), Hampton Bays on Aug 15, 19 2:23 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"What part was mistated? What part was a "deliberate mistatement?"

Doesn't "deliberate" speak to state of mind?"
-----------------------------

Indeed it does. And since you MISSTATED the FBI report to say that "hammers and clubs" killed more people than rifles - - - and your misstatement was then pointed out by reference to the report itself - - - and - - - in the face of this - - - you MISSTATED it again - - - the clear inference is that ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 16, 19 7:44 AM
"Doesn't "deliberate" speak to state of mind?" "Indeed it does." Thank you for participating.

Does the FBI line item not read exactly: "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)"?

In 2017, do the FBI stats not show 467 people were killed with “blunt objects,” like hammers and clubs and 403 were killed with rifles?

Are you saying hammers and clubs aren't blunt objects or are you simply being semantically obtuse - yet again?

An answer to those three ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 18, 19 2:25 PM
Note to self: Do NOT offer to buy Don Lemon a cocktail.
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 16, 19 7:56 AM
Don't flirt with CNN anchors, video shows they don't take kindly to it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 16, 19 8:03 AM
Don't offer Fredo one either.
Aug 16, 19 8:03 AM appended by themarlinspike
Tucker Carlson rightfully giggles at the words of Lemon & Cuomo on a nightly basis..
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 16, 19 8:03 AM
Who is Tucker Carlson?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 16, 19 8:35 AM
A right-wing propagandist and a general buffoon in a dickie-bow
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Aug 16, 19 8:43 AM
Tucker Carlson, the voice of white supremacy.a true patriot
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 16, 19 8:44 AM
Fredo was always the weak one.
Aug 16, 19 8:56 AM appended by themarlinspike
Note the disconnected left wing reply below. What does it mean ?
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 16, 19 8:56 AM
Is that why you want to buy him a drink?
Aug 16, 19 8:58 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Isn't this series of comments about whether you should buy a CNN anchor a drink? Let us know if you understand better tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 16, 19 8:58 AM
"So scary are the consequences of a collapse of white privilege that many Americans have flocked to a political platform that supports and translates violence against the defenseless as strength. These people are not so much angry as terrified, with the kind of terror that makes knees tremble.
On election day, how eagerly so many white voters--both the poorly educated and the well educated--embraced the shame and fear sowed by Donald Trump. The candidate whose company has been sued by the ...more
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 16, 19 10:58 AM
Let me translate Toni Morrison’s quote:

“I, a black woman, am appalled that a white man took back the thrown from a black man. I am doubly upset that a woman lost to a man. White guilt should be more prevalent in a society where blacks should start getting free things through reparations caused by slave owners, none of which are still alive. Trump called for the beatings of Black Lives Matter protesters even though those same protesters called for the killing and murdering of ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 16, 19 3:55 PM
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By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 17, 19 3:12 AM
Immigrant invaders are destroying our country and butchering our official language MAGA ; )

Thrown is the past participle of throw which is defined as "1. propel (something) with force through the air by movement of the arm and hand. 2. cause to enter suddenly a particular state or condition."

Throne is defined as "a ceremonial chair for a sovereign, bishop or similar figure"

I'll leave the other glaring gramatical error alone. MAGA, Mexicans are criminal invaders and ...more
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 17, 19 9:53 AM
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Let me translate what diseased just said......

"So scary are the consequences of a collapse of white privilege that many Americans have flocked to a political platform that supports and translates violence against the defenseless as strength. These people are not so much angry as terrified, with the kind of terror that makes knees tremble.
On election day, how eagerly so many white voters--both the poorly educated and the well educated--embraced the shame and fear sowed by Donald Trump. ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 16, 19 4:50 PM
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What the hell world is the angry Toni Morrison living in? Libtopia created during the reign of Barak Hussein Obama perhaps? Can't stomach the thought of the people deciding to forego any more left wing politics obviously, just another temper tantrum.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 17, 19 8:26 AM
Bigfresh, she’s dead. Maybe she was angry at people for dismissing their being, just a thought. Your lack of self awareness is part of the problem.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 17, 19 8:45 AM
BF thinks racism ended the day Obama was elected president.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 17, 19 8:49 AM
And pray tell Freddy, what is the 'problem'?
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 17, 19 8:59 AM
Ok bigfresh, let’s start with birtherism, which you supported. It’s blatant racism and you say it isn’t . Then we have trumps racist tweets , which you say aren’t racist. Let’s skip to you calling Michelle Obama “ moochell” that was cute, and racist. Three examples of you having your head in the sand.again, your lack of self awareness is troubling.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 17, 19 9:18 AM
@ bigfresh

Quote:

"And pray tell Freddy, what is the 'problem'?"
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Fundamentally?

Brain tissue in which all electrical activity is long ceased?
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 17, 19 9:21 AM
How much did cory raise/// Bill was here too... Hillery and bill, the ODD COUPLE...
By knitter (1846), Southampton on Aug 18, 19 3:48 PM
How much did Trump have to pay his racist buddies to t these idiotic comments? Did they collect in advance 'cause Swine-in-Chief is notoriously bad at coughing up a dime.
By Jolly Roger (27), Southampton on Aug 18, 19 6:17 PM
Memo reveals a House Republican strategy on shootings: downplay white nationalism, blame left

The GOP memo falsely pinned the El Paso massacre and other notable mass shootings on the left.

By Steve Contorno
Aug. 16

Extremist-related murders have spiked in the last year, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and the vast majority — 73 percent — are committed by right-wing extremists and white supremacists. Not a single extremist-related murder in the ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 19, 19 5:22 AM
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"Robertson said that the inclusion of El Paso was a mistake. It was supposed to say Dayton, the site of a second mass shooting 13 hours later where nine people died."

Did you miss that part?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 19, 19 11:22 AM
"White nationalism and racism are pure evil and cannot be tolerated in any form," the document said."

"We also can’t excuse violence from the left such as the El Paso shooter, the recent Colorado shooters, the Congressional baseball shooter, Congresswoman Giffords’ shooter and Antifa."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 19, 19 11:24 AM
How many of those folks claimed they were inspired to commit violence by liberal politicians?

How many domestic terrorists have said they did it because of Trump?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 19, 19 11:31 AM
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Ever notice how it's a "mistake" after they're caught red handed?

it's not like the right-wing hear parrot any of those "mistake" worthy talking points. Face it, the GOP owns all of it, and try to pawn it off.

Sad...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 19, 19 1:16 PM
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"Not a single extremist-related murder in the United States last year was carried out by “the left."

LOL..."last year"

Is this to say, a shooting was carried out by "the right" last year...or are we to call it what it really is...carried out by the mentally unstable?
Aug 20, 19 10:38 AM appended by Po Boy
Does it make you feel better Z that is was supposed to read "Dayton?"
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 10:38 AM
Antifa shooter? Keep trying
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 19, 19 11:32 AM
Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals.

“Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

"I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.”

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 8:04 PM
Zero deaths attributed to antifa. Can you say that about the maga hat wearing white nationalists and neo-nazis? no you can’t.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 8:40 PM
Zealotry is not defined by a hat-wearing fashion statement. Anarchists certainly are through covered faces.

No one in their right mind embraces or defends neo Nazis.
Radical Lefts support and defend the violence of Antifa. Keep defending.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:40 PM
Po boy, slight double standard. Those marchers in Charlottesville with their maga hats and torches, they were just out for a walk? The torches were to keep the mosquitoes away? How about the snappily dressed proud boys, great patriots? Then you have the great patriots the 3 percenters. Clad in cammo great Americans. Don’t forget the white nationalist that you didn’t disavow. No politician has endorsed antifa, can you say the same about the other groups I mentioned? Nah. Sure seems that ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 2:14 PM
Oh, I see. You want to attribute the actions of the few to the many?

I see. How come you don't want to talk about the Bernie volunteer who gunned downed republican congressman? Or the antifa member Willem Van Spronsen who wrote a 'I am Antifa' and armed with a rifle and incendiary devices when he launched his assault on the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma. So these are the people YOU DEFEND?

Name me one mainstreem republican politician who has endorsed any of the groups ...more
Aug 26, 19 3:46 PM appended by Po Boy
I'll bet you dollars to donuts the people in Charlottesville wearing MAGA hats have a very DIFFERENT view of what American should like than the average Trump supporter. Where have we seen this before? Oh yeah, NO different than the hijacking of the confederate battle flag.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:46 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"Does the FBI line item not read exactly: 'Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)'?

In 2017, do the FBI stats not show 467 people were killed with 'blunt objects,' like hammers and clubs and 403 were killed with rifles?

Are you saying hammers and clubs aren't blunt objects or are you simply being semantically obtuse - yet again?"
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What I am saying, Po Boy, is that you and assorted Right-Wing propaganda ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 19, 19 3:04 PM
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You didn't answer the question (yet again).

Let me dumb it down for you one bite at a time...

Does the FBI line item not read exactly: "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)"?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 10:33 AM
Well, since there's no risk of recession Trump has called for a rate cut and some QE, because the dollar is "too strong". Or, perhaps that's just code for 10% of the population owns at least 73% of the nation's wealth and that's just not enough for his biggest donors. So, print more money and make it cheaper at the Fed discount window...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 19, 19 9:26 PM
Jimmy O’Neil the 34 year cop turned commissioner, turned on his cops today. He was DeBlasio’s puppet after all. Officer Pantaleo was cleared of any wrongdoing by the people who MATTER. So they turn to an ultra liberal NY judge, who didn’t even have the decency to question Pantaleo himself. She went by circumstantial nonsense coupled with recordings of a departmental hearing. We all know how DeBlasio feels about cops. It’s the same way Obama and Holder felt about cops. Starting ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 19, 19 10:27 PM
The negativity you describe has existed since at least the 19th century. From asset forfeiture used against law abiding citizens, to shooting unarmed people, the "bad eggs" who can't “maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn or ridicule" bring such negativity upon all.

Perhaps you're entitled to your own truth, but not your own "facts".
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 20, 19 3:20 AM
To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.

To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.

To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 20, 19 3:27 AM
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So why didn't you use all caps in your little rant here, Diseased? A little exorcised are we that justice FINALLY got done? Not satisfied that your apparent "hero" used an illegal chokehold to kill a (sickly) black man on video, lied about it and showed no remorse, was put on desk duty and forced to endure 5 years of making $120,000 a year for doing nothing, and without pushback likely would have never faced punishment? There's your touch of Venezuela, Bub.
Any of your loved ...more
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 20, 19 11:33 AM
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Lick those boots if you want, Diseased. It's a fact that non-whites are routinely treated worse by the criminal justice system than their white counterparts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 19 12:15 PM
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...and sometimes, they're not.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 2:08 PM
"Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders."

DEMOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCES IN SENTENCING, USSC (Published November 14, 2017)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 19 2:13 PM
Facts? Nobody cares about facts.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 20, 19 2:33 PM
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Ah, ignorance has a new face named junebug. Pantaleo did not choke Eric Gardner to death. In fact, it is physically impossible to kill someone with a seven second choke hold. The fact that the criminal Garner was able to speak AFTER he was released is proof positive that the choke hold did not kill him. Oh, and for a period of time in the seven seconds the choke hold was deemed to be justifiable. Justice was not "FINALLY" done. That occurred when a grand jury failed to indict, and the federal government ...more
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 20, 19 5:49 PM
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As we've been down this road before - Fore - in Liberal Ground Hog Day, does the report "DEMOGRAPHIC DIFFERENCES IN SENTENCING, USSC (Published November 14, 2017)" specifcally mean it is "black offenders" who are only on the short end of the fuzzy lollipop?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 11:30 PM
Did the chokehold cause TIAs, stroke, or blood clots?

Hmmmmmmm...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 21, 19 12:02 AM
That would be relevant.....if any of those actually occurred in the contributing factors.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 8:44 AM
How about cardiac distress?
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 21, 19 8:38 PM
How about no. Keep trying tho, you'll find something to fit your narrative. Start with obesity, maybe failure to comply, then possibly asthma.

Hmmmmmmm....
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 12:03 AM
Garner's death was ruled a homicide work for you? Or perhaps compression of the neck due to a chokehold? The medical examiner's report stated the chokehold was responsible for the death, with contributing factors. No chokehold = a living, breathing citizen. A chokehold which, by the way caused hemmorhaging in the victim's neck? And yes, when a death is ruled a homicide, the deceased is a victim.

H-O-M-I-C-I-D-E
Aug 22, 19 3:51 AM appended by Mr. Z
"I will keep my private life unsullied as an example to all; maintain courageous calm in the face of danger, scorn or ridicule; develop self-restraint; and be constantly mindful of the welfare of others."
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 22, 19 3:51 AM
And finish with a choke hold . Hmmmmmmmm
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 5:59 AM
Ah....and now your narrative is complete. By the way you two geniuses, was the criminal Garner able to speak while he was in this "choke" hold? Is a fight against a law enforcement officer a fight for his life?

How about this for the ignorant uninformed keyboard commando....no resisting=no physical force=a living, breathing citizen. THAT is true of ALL these cases.

Thanks for the code of ethics.....civilians should follow the same creed.

Aug 22, 19 9:00 AM appended by Bayman3142
H-o-m-i-c-i-d-e: Homicide is when one human being causes the death of another. Not all homicide is murder, as some killings are manslaughter, and some are lawful, such as when justified by an affirmative defense, like insanity or self-defense. (For the small minded ignorant contributors)
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 9:00 AM
Batman, thanks for the reply. I’ve gone from stupid to genius. So basically you are saying there should be zero oversight of police proceedings? As to no resisting =no physical force, that’s a load of bs. So when did Garner become a criminal? While he was being choked or some specific time before that? Guess what , as a citizen I have the right to question whatever I want , you think police should be the only ones with any input. It don’t work that way and you know it.
Aug 22, 19 9:10 AM appended by Fred s
Just to add, after I posted my comment, I called a friend who is a retired policeman. I asked him point blank if that was a chokehold, he said absolutely. He then added , do you see the guy standing behind the chief when he was giving the verdict, the guy writes the rules , what is a chokehold etc,my friend stated it’s just bs to deny it wasn’t. Here’s my assessment, you’ve spent a week or more defending trumps racist tweets, then attacked me, for bringing up racial profiling and killing people. As soon as the population goes blind, your arguments are valid, otherwise you are on the wrong end of history.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 9:10 AM
Batman, I called a friend who is also retired to see if he backed you up, no he didn’t. He said it was a chokehold. As to your insistence on insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you come off sounding like nothing more than a biased bully. Don’t discount everyone who does agree with you as stupid. Keep up your rhetoric, it’s weak at best.facts aren’t lost on me, but intimidation and bullying is the sign of a weak argument. It’s what you are doing.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 1:31 PM
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Batman, at the press conference the chief stated the officers were lessthen truthful, what’s that mean? As to my friend, he’s an honorable man, whom you can talk to, no insults, only insight. You think you know everything, a bad way to be.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 2:35 PM
Bayman, there was "uncontroverted medical evidence of hemorrhaging in Mr. Garner's anterior neck muscles" in the ALJ's words.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 19 3:34 PM
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Batman, just to post one story.....NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York City medical examiner who conducted an autopsy on an unarmed black man who was killed during a 2014 arrest said at a hearing on Wednesday that a police officer's chokehold set off a "lethal cascade" of events that ended in the man's death.

Cellphone videos taken by bystanders show Officer Daniel Pantaleo putting his arm around the neck of Eric Garner to subdue and arrest him on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes on ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 4:08 PM
Batman, from the New York Times ...... Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,” she said. So, is she lying? Or is the Times reporting wrong? Or are you not being truthful? Which one?
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 4:13 PM
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Batman, one last one..... from The Chief..n an interview, a PBA spokesman, Albert O’Leary, said the report amounts to “essentially scientific proof that Eric Garner was not choked to death.”

Officer Pantaleo, he said, “didn’t apply any pressure” but instead used a so-called seatbelt maneuver to get leverage on Mr. Garner, who had resisted arrest by brushing off Officer Pantaleo's hand when he tried to handcuff him, and take him to the ground.

Chief ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 4:24 PM
Your facts ain’t holding up.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 22, 19 6:03 PM
Batman, posting random bits are called citations. They are published reports backing up what I said. No I didn’t read the autopsy, I relied on published reports. It’s pure foolishness to disregard the stories of what the medical examiner said in court. When someone says they can’t breathe and someone is choking them, what’s that tell you? It tells me he was being choked, which was part of the cause of death.theres no point in pointing anything out to you, you think you know ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 5:19 AM
Here Batman, I’ll repeat some “random bits of nonsense “ one more time.Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,” she said. Is the story from the Times incorrect? Does it misrepresent what the medical examiner said? Or more, you don’t agree ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 5:26 AM
Batman, thanks for more insults, that’s your thing. It’s not very appealing. As to you posting news stories that allegedly were false, should I start posting police testimony that was false? That should fill volumes. Now I have one question, answer yes or no , nothing else .Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 12:49 PM
Easy....

NO

You continue this ridiculous habit of proving my point for me, simple reading comprehension on your nonsense cite broken down for you to try and understand. AND this is all your cite.

1. Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force.

Homicide caused by the officer's use of force is what a reporter, who knows who, says happened. NOT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER. ...more
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 2:38 PM
So she never said that? I’d have to say you are either a bs er or just plain full of yourself. This conversation is over. You did not refute the coroners statement. You used a straw man argument to further your bs. You are arguing from a weak stand point as I stated before. My fried is a retired policeman, that’s all I’ll say. You can continue if you’d like, I’m done. The coroner said it, you can’t prove she didn’t. Done
Aug 23, 19 3:02 PM appended by Fred s
Word of advice Batman, if you are trying to refute a news story, don’t post stories unrelated to the one you are refuting.What the coroner said , you say she didn’t, refute it. Good luck
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 3:02 PM
Hey fred.....your village just called, they want you to come back.

You want to put a reporter up against a certified report....your problem. I think even fore would have a hard time defending what you have stated it is so moronic.
Aug 23, 19 5:44 PM appended by Bayman3142
Hey freddie... did the coroner state the choke hold killed Gardner like the reporter states? Lie by omissions fred. Look into it bud.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 5:44 PM
Batman, insults and insults. Refute the report what the coroner said, You can’t. Keep up the insults , try to prove your right. Post a citation that the coroner never said that. Right, I’m the village idiot.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 5:49 PM
Batman, I posted stories from different sources all saying the same thing. The funny part is you mock me for not reading the coroners report. Are you a coroner? You understood everything in the report? Plus you stand 100% behind the report? Then I post what the coroner said, and you refute it. Not by proving it, just by denying it. So you believe the report but not the coroner. You are a genius. Now refute what the coroner said, which you can’t.
Aug 24, 19 7:18 AM appended by Fred s
The coroners report is a published paper, how about that?
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 7:18 AM
Hey freddy, that cognitive thing is kicking into high gear.

Here are some FACTS for you, I am really trying not to laugh....

On August 23rd I posted this to you.....

"In your post IS WHAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER STATED VERBATIM...did you not see that?

“The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,” is WHAT SHE STATED. Not HOMICIDE CAUSED BY CHOKEHOLD. A "initial factor of the cascade" that caused Garners death."

Now tell me freddy.......what ...more
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 8:33 AM
Freddy? You back at the village?
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 8:03 PM
Batman, your insults aside, your acting like a blathering fool, stop it. The guy was in a CHOKEHOLD, which led to his death.dont forget, you said the coroner never said what I posted. Which is exactly what she said.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 8:27 PM
Batman, thanks for more insults, that’s your thing. It’s not very appealing. As to you posting news stories that allegedly were false, should I start posting police testimony that was false? That should fill volumes. Now I have one question, answer yes or no , nothing else .Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 24, 19 9:21 PM
Batman, your insults are nothing more than bullying and intimidation because you are so full of yourself. Guys like you are a dime a dozen. Go use your weak argument somewhere else, blathering fool is to kind to describe you.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 7:28 AM
Freddy, your inability to stand down from a moronic false narrative speaks volumes. YOU are what is wrong with this country right now. You see something in a liberal rag and spread it like gospel truth without even attempting to verify the information. (Calling a "friend" doesn't count freddy) It's small minded at best and stupidity for certain. These false stories get people killed, so if you feel I am "bullying" and "intimidating" I'll take it. Unfortunately guys like you dont have the cognitive ...more
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 8:38 AM
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Now your just being foolish. I asked you if the coroner said something, a direct quote, from four different published reports, you said no. Again you were wrong . As to what’s wrong with this country is racist apologist like yourself. You spent time defending blatant racist and bigoted comments by the president. You also told me “to shut my stupid mouth” that’s the talk of a confident person? Hardly. More of talk by someone with low self esteem. You attack with no proof. ...more
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 10:17 AM
Oh freddy, you dont even know what you asked me to say yes or no to. Dementia? Cognitive disability? It's funny how you keep up with the "you're a bully...you're being intimidating....your foolish...wah way wah." Its guys like you that actually raise my already healthy self esteem. Now I'm a racist, apologist, and bigoted... thank you. Knowing that someone like yourself thinks this of me means I am the exact opposite because of your lack of reading comprehension, hubris, and general lack of cognitive ...more
Aug 25, 19 2:08 PM appended by Bayman3142
Once an idiot.....the medical examiner never said the cause of death was the officer's use of force. That's just the voices in your head.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 2:08 PM
More insults, I’m done with you mister wonderful
Aug 25, 19 2:47 PM appended by Fred s
Just to add, I didn’t go on a “rant” I posted citations of what the coroner said, why can’t you grasp that. Plus I said you were a racist apologist, when you defend racists it kinda makes you, a racist. You continue your foolishness
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 2:47 PM
One last time....,Though Mr. Garner had high blood pressure and chronic asthma, Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force. “The chokehold is a significant initial factor of the cascade,” let it soak in,keep up your insults.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 25, 19 2:56 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 8:37 AM
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
Socrates
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 8:40 AM
Bayman was part of the blue shield of silence? Shocker.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 8:46 AM
Fore posts something benighted? Shocker....and it's the blue wall of silence. You cant even get your insults right.

One last time......

Dr. Persechino, a veteran city medical examiner, stood by her finding that his death was a homicide caused by the officer’s use of force.

Dr. Persechino official cause of death listed on autopsy report....

ASTHMA.

Facts are facts, Lies are lies, and the ignorant remain ignorant.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 9:38 AM
Google says blue wall, shield, and code are interchangeable, but I'll defer to the one who stands by cops' bad actions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 9:46 AM
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By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 8:52 AM
Why engage with a second rate citizen (or fake) commentator who hates cops and soldiers. Don't give them a platform anymore. Just ignore the left and Keep America Great. I am speaking to Bayman.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 27, 19 9:04 AM
Sorry Bayman, I missed your response, but I'm sure it was eloquent and thought-provoking.

Fish wants attention?
I'll reply if he writes poems
Haikus are preferred.

But no name-calling.
Or do you enjoy hatred?
A sad way of life.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 9:32 AM
'Young Turks' Panel: Democratic Donors Stick With Gaffe-Prone Biden Because Warren And Sanders Are Next In Line . The truth is, Dems realize that their party's extreme/absurd positions on a host of issues render them unelectable to the point where they have a better chance with a senile, old, gropey segregationist. too much fun i tell you !
By Ditch Bum (856), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 12:51 AM
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Here's your truth: trump's unfavorables are off the charts--and that's a Fox poll--such that ANY Democrat will beat him.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 20, 19 11:01 AM
...and yet Hillary isn't president.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 11:13 AM
So, no more movie in Hampton Bays Eh? Darn that Trump he will do anything to get attention huh...? Well this is just as stupid, right ????
By Tommy Turbo (59), Cedar Hill, TN on Aug 20, 19 12:02 PM
Pantaleo was nothing more than a political pawn in DeBlasio’s game of chess. That “illegal” chokehold is taught in the NYPD police academy. It’s called the “seat belt maneuver”. I’ve gone over this already Junebug. The criminal advocates have gotten what they want. Let’s not forget that a grand jury DECLINED to indict Pantaleo. Also, last month Barr ruled against the civil rights leaders who were asking for his firing. This all rested in the hands ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 20, 19 4:12 PM
Do you need to commit a crime to be fired from your job?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 20, 19 4:31 PM
Did you hear it was a white police officer?

Would you be fired from your job for insufficient evidence after a five year investigation that even the Department of Justice "couldn’t prove that Pantaleo “acted in willful violation of the law” — while noting that Garner was not in a chokehold when he repeatedly gasped, “I can’t breathe?"

Lesson boys and girls Don't disobey a lawful order.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 20, 19 11:09 PM
"To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective."

~ Sir Robert Peel
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 21, 19 12:10 AM
Thanks, Po. In summary: no, you don't need to be convicted of a crime to be fired.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 6:25 AM
Especially if you’re a political pawn. If O’Neil chose to have Pantaleo keep his job, the animals would’ve rioted and looted in the streets of NYC. Can’t have that, right? They might blame liberal policies. Safe to say DeBlasio had a say in this decision. Listen to his speech from Detroit a month or so ago. He pretty much admitted as such. The liberals would never in a million years have made a decision that would’ve resulted in a Rodney King type of response from its ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 21, 19 9:07 AM
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Maybe he shouldn't have lied about not using a chokehold when presented with video evidence that he used a chokehold.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 9:47 AM
@ Disease -- Please elaborate on your use of "animals". Do you believe all humans are animals? If not, do you self identify as an animal? Am I an animal? Is our current president an animal? Is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez an animal? Is Daniel Pantaleo an animal? Was Eric Garner an animal? If all the above people are not animals what differentiates people who are animals from people who are not animals?


By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 9:49 AM
Show where Pantaleo was charged with perjury! He wasn't!!

The thing that most clearly differentiates humans from animals is the capacity to self-reflect. Some humans do this better than others making a distinction more/less apparent.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 10:39 AM
I didn't say he was charged with perjury. I said he lied about not using a chokehold.

In the ALJ's words: "I found Respondent's uncorroborated hearsay statements explaining his actions to be untruthful. First, I found Respondent to be disingenuous when he viewed the video and denied using a chokehold, even though his actions were completely consistent with his own erroneous and restrictive definition of the Patrol Guide prohibition. Second, the preponderance of the credible evidence contradicted ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 10:54 AM
So, that is opinion, right?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 10:57 AM
Sure, it's the administrative law judge's professional opinion that Panteleo lied about not using a chokehold when presented with video evidence that he used a chokehold.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 11:02 AM
And we can assume Panteleo testified under oath to that end, right?

The mindset of the individual at the time in actions that take place in the blink of an eye are easily Monday morning quarterbacked especially on video.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 12:52 PM
You can assume whatever you want, but I'd first assume that the subject of a criminal inquiry would exercise their 5th amendment right against self-incrimination.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 12:59 PM
You can assume whatever you want. Seems the release of grand jury info isn't being sought and I'd welcome any information to support your assumption the 5th was taken. Seems that's something the guilty do.

What we've certainly learned is opinion is accepted when it fits your ideology.

Profession opinion of Border Patrol on a wall - not so much.
Professional opinion of an administrative judge to fire a police officer - hell yeah!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 3:00 PM
Lol, I'm not assuming anything, you made the assumption, and you know what they say happens when you assume...

Also, yes, I think the ALJ's professional opinion on the matter they were asked to judge is more valuable than a mystery union survey.
Aug 21, 19 3:22 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
By the way, some quick Googling shows Panteleo made those statements to an Internal Affairs Investigator (aka, not under oath) and further the chair of the Civilian Complaint Review Board was rebuffed when they tried to obtain grand jury info in 2015.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 3:22 PM
To be civilized is to take one step beyond being an "animal". However, "humanity" is not so far removed so that it does not have the penchant for regression.

People tend to forget they really are animals too...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 21, 19 8:36 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"You didn't answer the question (yet again).

Let me dumb it down for you one bite at a time...

Does the FBI line item not read exactly: 'Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)'?"
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All "As" are "Cs". Therefore, all "Cs" are "As."

Casuistry is a disease with you, Po Boy. No other true believer on this forum has the hubris (not to mention the delusional misjudgment of his own ability) to think ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 21, 19 9:33 AM
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Apparently, it wasn't dumbed down enough...let's try again.

FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

Does the FBI line item not read exactly: "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)"?
Aug 21, 19 10:21 AM appended by Po Boy
I know it's easier for you to hurl allegations hat, but it's a very simple question that even you should be able to handle.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 10:21 AM
Animals: Those who do not benefit from political decisions by causing harm to people or places. Obviously the cops aren’t animals. They are pissed and would have every right to protest. But I think it’s safe to say they would do it peacefully without dragging people out of trucks and smashing bottles over their heads while kicking them in the face. I think it’s also safe to assume there would be zero looting of businesses that have nothing to do with said political decision. Animals ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 21, 19 10:04 AM
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Diseased, your definition as usual fits your narrative perfectly. Grow up
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 10:27 AM
Which would also mean, it doesn't fit yours.

MS 13 is a prime example of humans being considered sub human for their butchering and creed of kill, rape, control, don't you think?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 10:54 AM
Some people choose to do terrible things, but they're still people.

De-humanization is the first step toward the denial of human rights, and once we get there what's stopping anyone from saying you're sub-human next?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 11:00 AM
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Technically yes. Figuratively, no.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 11:17 AM
Does it matter to the slave whether the slaver thinks they are technically sub-human, or just figuratively?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 11:30 AM
When MS-13 members are sold to the plantation, get back to me Masta Fore.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 12:42 PM
The answer is no, the subject of inhumane treatment doesn't care whether their dehumanization is literal or metaphorical.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 12:53 PM
Isn't MS-13 extended the same rights, litterally as you and I? Isn't the comparison metaphorical, no offense to animals, of course?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 2:53 PM
Yes, currently, some peoples' wish to treat them the way they treat others. Dehumanizing people is the first step to inhumane treatment, as history has shown.

Whether their murderers actually believed the Jews were less-than-human or simply being metaphorical was irrelevant to the people being loaded onto trains and shuffled into gas chambers.
Aug 21, 19 3:18 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"despite some peoples' wish to treat them the way they treat others."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 3:18 PM
Disease -- thank you, your response did answer my question, is reasonable and polite : )
It might not surprise you that I disagree with your definition. I define animal as "a multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia". All humans are animals! One of my most strongly held principles is a total disagreement with scala naturae (stairway of nature) which is a foundational principle of western civilization. I believe humans are the worst species to ever inhabit our planet. I acknowledge ...more
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 6:12 PM
That’s good po boy.. “Lesson boys and girls Don't disobey a lawful order” if you don’t you get choked to death? I’ll try to follow ever order. That fits your narrative. I never call anyone an animal.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 10:59 AM
Yes, "Lesson boys and girls Don't disobey a lawful order" does "fit my narrative" Fred. If you don't you've chosen the risk of putting someone who has the responsibility to enforce law and order and potentially their actions in control of your life.
Aug 21, 19 11:17 AM appended by Po Boy
"I never call anyone an animal"...not even figuratively? Come on Fred.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 11:17 AM
Po boy, nothing is as simple as that. You cannot explain away everything that happens in a police stop in those simplistic terms. But it’s your statement . You also own the lame ms-13 quote to dehumanize a human being.the one thing that refutes your argument is a cellphone video. Suddenly there’s proof.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 21, 19 11:22 AM
Of course it's as simple as that. He didn't obey the officer's commands. Hence an arrest that went bad.

I'm not the one butchering and murdering, that's on MS-13 and perhaps those that humanize their barbaric actions and methods.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 12:47 PM
Their methods don't need humanizing: chopping people up with a machete is a uniquely human act, unless you can point me to any instance of a wild animal doing it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 1:01 PM
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Don't dehuminize them, don't humanize them. Got it. I think we're on to something.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 21, 19 2:50 PM
You can humanize them, I'm just saying they don't need it: MS-13 and their brand of violence is uniquely human already.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 21, 19 3:25 PM
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Yet MS-13 is animalistic in their methods, using the term to simply describe the barbaric nature of their actions.

an·i·mal (ănə-məl)
3. A person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 22, 19 8:00 PM
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I would distinguish between calling behavior animalistic and the people themselves animals, as only the latter is dehumanizing in my view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 8:07 AM
Good for you and your view.

It doesn't mean the readily accepted definition doesn't still apply.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 8:47 AM
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Likewise, feel free to keep dehumanizing other people, just don't act surprised when you're called out for supporting inhumane treatment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 8:53 AM
Did I dehumanize the people, or the actions of people who are known to carry out such actions? Seems, the people carrying out the bestial or brutish behavior are the ones who dehumanized themselves.

Called out for "supporting inhuman treatment"? Oh, do tell.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 11:42 AM
MS-13 and their brand of violence is uniquely human.

Calling people animals is a historical precursor to actually treating them like animals.

If you're saying their actions are animalistic but they are not animals themselves, despite you obviously interjecting to defend Diseased's preference for the latter, I have no objections.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 12:35 PM
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You've already established your view. But that doesn't change the existence of an accepted definition, does it?

an·i·mal (ănə-məl)
3. A person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 1:45 PM
That such a definition exists doesn't negate its historical context.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 1:49 PM
Nor does it negate the multiple uses for the term "animal" and the appropriate characterization for bestial and brutish behavior..
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 4:22 PM
Yes, lots of dehumanizing language is in the dictionary. That doesn't stop it from being dehumanizing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 24, 19 8:27 AM
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That's one view. Another view is that it's acceptable language to describe despicable acts and doesn't dehumanize the person, but acts by the person.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:57 PM
Calling someone an animal is pretty much dehumanization by definition.

Whether YOU think it's acceptable dehumanization or not is a matter of opinion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 2:14 PM
Yes, you've established..."in your view."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:35 PM
Nah, not "in my view", calling someone an animal is a denial of their humanity, period.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 6:59 PM
"....as only the latter is dehumanizing in my view."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7365), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 8:07 AM
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 7:22 PM
I see the source of confusion: "in my view" excluded referring to calling behavior animalistic from the universe of dehumanizing acts while not closing the door altogether in case someone could make a convincing argument that it indeed is dehumanizing.

Referring to someone as an animal is dehumanizing by definition, stay mad about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 9:40 AM
That's one view, your view. The definition however doesn't by definition include "dehumanization." That's all you, "....as only the latter is dehumanizing in my [your] view."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 10:10 AM
Nah, calling someone an animal is textbook dehumanization, no matter how vigorously you deny it. Now you're purposely ignoring my intended point and clarification. Par for your course, Po!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 10:18 AM
That's one view...your view. However, by definition "dehumanization" is not part of the definition.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 11:13 AM
"Dehumanization" isn't part of the definition for mongrel, swine, vermin, pest, or lots of other dehumanizing language, but I'm glad that at least you didn't intend to dehunanize the people you refer to as animals.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 1:30 PM
Did I ever say I was dehumanizing the animals? I believe that was your view.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 28, 19 10:51 AM
It's interesting to note that in 1492 some of the posters here had self admitted ancestors in the southern hemisphere, who were indeed recorded to be practicing cannibals.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 28, 19 11:18 AM
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By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 28, 19 11:30 AM
Exactly Po, I'm glad you didn't intend to.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 29, 19 9:00 AM
Why would I? I'm not the one that thinks the term "animal" is dehumanizing. That's your thing. It's the Left who injects race, gender into every discussion. We'll add "dehumanization" to the list.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 29, 19 11:45 AM
I know I do, that's why I'm glad you're fighting so hard against that characterization of your language. A lesser person would lean into it and say something along the lines of "yeah, I'm dehumanizing them, so what?" I'm just happy that's not you!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 29, 19 11:51 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"Apparently, it wasn't dumbed down enough...let's try again.

FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

Does the FBI line item not read exactly: 'Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)'"?

------------------------------

Actually, it reads: Weapons: Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)

- - - And leaving out the words, "Blunt objects" (the TYPE of weapon of which clubs and hammers are but EXAMPLES), ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 21, 19 8:42 PM
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"Actually, it reads: Weapons: Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)" you say?

Actually, no it doesn't. "Weapons" is the category it's under, as in, categoy of murders. The sub category reads EXACTLY, "Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)." But why am I not surprised, you can't even get "exactly" correct when it's plain as day.


So yet again: FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

Score: 472 to 403 by rifles in 2017 per the FBI. Substantiation ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 22, 19 7:51 PM
@ Po Boy

More puerile, transparent casuistry.

Readers can access the FBI page* and decide for themselves who is accurately reporting its content and who is mendaciously finessing it.

To reiterate, you are LYING. The report no more asserts that "clubs and hammers" killed more people than rifles than it does that "rocks" did.

Your lies become more blatant the longer you post on this forum. It is apparent that you don't come here for reasoned argument, but rather ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 23, 19 9:10 AM
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I'll save "readers" the time. How's that hat?

472 were killed by Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) and 403 by rifles in 2017 per the FBI. The assertion that items like "clubs and hammers" killed more people than rifles is spot on as they are considered blunt objects just as rocks are, just as [insert blunt object here] are.

FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

So to recap, you're not ok with the assertion that "clubs and hammers" ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 11:38 AM
you're purposely distorting things here.
yes, maybe more people were killed w/blunt objects. but the fact that a single person can mow down 5,10,20,50,75 people within seconds using a legally purchased firearm is different issue. Good luck killing10 people with a baseball bat before being stopped or losing your will.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (734), southampton on Aug 23, 19 12:21 PM
Am I? Or was it simply a response to the following, and the reference to "probably an assault rifle?

But you can rest assured it will be a gun, probably an assault rifle. Sleep tight, mass murders will continue, a shoulder shrug is all we will get. Thoughts and prayers
By Fred s (2885), Southampton on Aug 13, 19 9:33 AM

FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 12:34 PM
Seems pretty obvious Fred was referring to mass murders specifically.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 12:36 PM
Fore, exactly true. He can bs and blabber on about medical issues and clubs, he’s full of it
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 12:42 PM
What's not obvious is murder is murder and rifles are not the weapon of choice.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 4:18 PM
@ Po Boy

We're back to:

"All "As" are "Cs"; therefore, all "Cs" are "As" - - - again - - - and it's STILL the infantile twaddle that it was when you first proposed it.
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Let us recall that you originated your lie in fatuous support of your implication that rifles were less dangerous as murder weapons than hammers and clubs. Misidentifying the category of "blunt objects" in the FBI report to be exclusively these latter objects made that outrageous proposal ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 23, 19 5:33 PM
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Wrong as usual hat. If you recall, you were late to the party and provided your PERCEPTION of my original post among other nonsensical seantics.

You continue to demonstrate an uneducated viewpoint of deadly objects by this statement: "Only an imbecile would believe that a rock is more dangerous than a rifle." It's NOT the object, but how the object is used. Millions of guns hurt no one. Countless rocks have. So much so, that rock-like objects have killed more than all rifles.

The ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:53 PM
The tides are turning. First Bill Maher, now it’s Piers Morgan. Don’t take it from the conservatives on 27east. Take it from your fellow liberals:

Piers Morgan: Today's Liberals Are 'Unbearable'
Cortney O'Brien  |  @obrienc2  | August 20, 2019

“Good Morning Britain" host Piers Morgan has a message for his fellow liberals: You're "unbearable." 
"Populism is rising because liberals have become unbearable, and I speak as a liberal, okay?" ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 22, 19 5:07 AM
Oh for God's sake. You spend time showcasing and putting stock in what this misogynist, racist trump-supporter bleats out, whose shtick is division via provocative views he doesn't necessarily hold used merely as click bait and to keep himself relevant and his wallet full. Margaret Thatcher was his "schoolboy heroine", he supports trump, excoriated the Women's March, and you believe his shtick claiming he's a "liberal"? Please spare us your gullibility and admiration for clowns and conmen.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 22, 19 11:27 AM
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That is a breath of fresh air from an admitted liberal! "What's the point of calling yourself a liberal if you don't allow anyone else to have a different view"? Bravo!
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 22, 19 6:29 AM
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Isn't disagreement by the self-admitted liberal evidence that disagreement is welcome among liberals?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 19 7:11 AM
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Disagreement is welcome among leftists? !!

...it is to laugh
Aug 22, 19 8:48 AM appended by loading...
leftist, liberal...same difference
By loading... (579), quiogue on Aug 22, 19 8:48 AM
I disagree: leftist refers to someone who wants to push their beliefs on someone else. Liberals are simply left-leaning.

Sure, all leftists are liberal, but not all liberals are leftist. Nuance is not a dirty word.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 19 8:58 AM
B.S. Artist Speak
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 22, 19 9:03 AM
@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown

While I agree that "[l]iberals" accept self-criticism and disagreement within their ranks, the same can be said of "conservatives". (True believers are an entirely different kettle of fish. In that faith, any congregant who quibbles over the tiniest part of the canon is zealously attacked as a heretic.)

"[L]iberals", however, of whom I am one, agree with conservatives on a number of issues, particularly those involving individual rights and fiscal prudence. ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 22, 19 9:32 AM
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Hat: You highlight an important point that is lost on many people: there is a difference between Liberal and liberal.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Nuance is not a dirty word, right Marlin?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 22, 19 9:39 AM
So the Green New Deal is reasonable HH?
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 23, 19 6:20 AM
Three words for the idiots who deny climate change: positive feedback loop

Methane, CO2, and NOx levels did not exceed 300 ppm for nearly a million years. Since the inception of the industrial revolution, all three levels of said trace gases have spiked. CO2 and methane have exceeded 400 ppm and ppb respectively. The spike has been caused by HUMAN ACTIVITY, id est ANTHROPOGENIC in nature.

You just can't fix stupid, but you can drill for ice core data...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 23, 19 6:48 AM
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"Donald Trump, bat dung, and crazy"
"He is either possessed with the spirit of lunacy, or he is publicly coming out as the son of perdition."

~ Rick Wiles
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 23, 19 6:40 AM
"While your own comments are foul balls hit down the left field line."
"As far as your fan base goes, I see you occasionally get one like."

~ themarlinspike
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 23, 19 7:58 AM
Is it poetry hour? Here's a haiku:

Enter a new day
Two more comments from the fish
Then we wave goodbye
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 8:11 AM
Extinguish the left.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 23, 19 8:14 AM
"Extinguish the left"
Said the fish to the ether
And nobody cared
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 8:19 AM
My sense of self-worth is directly connected to how many "likes" I get on the internet ; )
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 12:27 PM
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You might be in some great trouble then. I see you just finally got 1 like above, let us know when you get 8 or 10.
By themarlinspike (475), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 24, 19 8:41 AM
Enter a new day
Early comment from the fish
Only one more left
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 24, 19 8:47 AM
JUST IN: State Department confirms that President Trump, acting in his personal capacity and on behalf of his own private interests, is negotiating directly with a foreign government to seek their assistance in harming his political rivals.
Note that this confirmation is from the department headed up by maybe trump's biggest sycophant....
Uh oh.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 19 1:28 PM
And now this:
JUST IN: The State Dept, which facilitated RudyGiuliani's communications with the Ukrainian gov't (during which he urged an investigation of JoeBiden), says Giuliani "acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for President TRUMP. He does not speak on behalf of the US Government."
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 19 1:31 PM
And this:
JUST IN: Convicted Kremlin agent Maria Butina's longtime boyfriend confirms that Don Jr. met secretly with Kremlin agents for an hour during the 2015 NRA Conference in Knoxville; Don Jr. therefore lied to Congress about collusion.
Things should get very nuts at Bedminster this weekend....
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 19 1:35 PM
That explains it. June gets her news from twitter.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 1:42 PM
That explains it. Po dismisses certain sources altogether because reading and judging individual stories on their merits is too hard.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 2:12 PM
That's not a story. It's opinion-fiction.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 4:09 PM
So let me understand. Statements issued by the State Dept. are "opinion-fiction"? Is that your position in this instance? Is that your position in general? Fill us in so we have the full picture on this, ok?
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 23, 19 6:10 PM
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Was the statement your provided which was a copy-paste from a twitter post issued by the state department or was it a twitter opinion-laced tirade by someone with a political agenda?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:41 PM
Quotes from State Dept. statements are not opinion or tirades, you dotard. What in Elizabeth Taylor's name is wrong with you? Any bad news for your side is an "opinion-laced tirade"?
(As if you never indulge in such?)
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 24, 19 11:13 PM
Dotard? LOL come now June. You're quting twitter for pete sake.

If there are quotes from the state departmentsupporting your twitter rant, how about quoting another source other than twitter?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 25, 19 3:47 PM
Twitter is not a source, you dotard. Ever hear of a bulletin board? That's what Twitter is. Where source material is posted. As in where the State Department statements were posted. Got it?
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 25, 19 10:03 PM
Where

is

the

corroborated

source???


By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:25 PM
But he praises trump, king of tweets
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 2:17 PM
You mean Pres. Donald "The Chosen One" Trump, King of Israel and Second Coming of God...in all seriousness, why didn't Trump get criticized for accusing Jewish Democrats of not having enough dual loyalty?

Where are the people saying claims that Jews have dual loyalty are anti-semitic?

Biba?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 2:31 PM
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A play right out of the Leftist projection play book, eh Fred?

But you despise trump, king of tweets.

Does it really matter? You people will misquote the president or latch on to a miniscule anyway to discredit the context.


By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 23, 19 4:13 PM
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TRUMP IS THE MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By 27dan (2768), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 23, 19 7:40 PM
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Actually he's the chosen one, even when he accuses jews of not having enough dual loyalty...so it's it anti-semitic, or not?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 10:49 PM
Not. He was addressing the political attributes of disloyalty, not Judiasm.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:37 PM
Not. He was addressing the political attributes of disloyalty, not Judiasm.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:37 PM
Specifically, he said "I think if you vote for a Democrat, you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people."

Inferring Jewish people are supposed to have dual loyalties is anti semitic, isn't it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 10:24 AM
Specifically, he said "I think if you vote for a Democrat, you are very, very disloyal to Israel and to the Jewish people."

Implying Jewish people are supposed to have dual loyalties is anti semitic, isn't it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 10:24 AM
"If you vote democrat...."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:23 PM
Weird how you didn't respond to my question. Is implying that Jews should have dual loyalty anti-semitic or not?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 1:52 PM
Not. He was addressing the political attributes of disloyalty, not Judiasm.

By Po Boy (4681), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:37 PM

"If you vote democrat...."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:33 PM
Not. He was addressing the political attributes of disloyalty, not Judiasm.

By Po Boy (4681), Water Mill on Aug 24, 19 7:37 PM

"If you vote democrat...."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:37 PM
Let's distill this further: in Trump's view, who are American jews supposed to be loyal to, Po?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 5:13 PM
It's not the Democrat party.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 7:34 PM
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Yes, please keep ignoring the antisemitism inherent in Trump's claims that Jews should observe alternative loyalty to the Jewish people/state, you reveal yourself more with each response.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 8:53 PM
"If you vote democrat...."
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 9:01 PM
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Hey Biba, where are you? Is it antisemitic to suggest Jews hold alternative loyalties to the Jewish people/state, or isn't it? Asking for my pal, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 10:44 PM
Po boy, there is zero reason to misquote trump. He puts out enough outlandish statements to last a lifetime.heres a good nugget,”Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME and making your products in the USA. I will be responding to China’s Tariffs this afternoon. This is a GREAT opportunity for the United States." Yeah , he is the chosen O’Neill
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 23, 19 4:22 PM
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Awesome!!

How do you think China perceived it?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:33 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By 27dan (2768), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 23, 19 7:12 PM
Lol, your name-calling sustains her. She feeds off your hate.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 23, 19 10:50 PM
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oh boy guess you touched a nerve there Dan , I did not see any violations of TOS in pointing out that RGB has pancreatic cancer and still is not planing on not stepping down until the end
By They call me (2751), southampton on Aug 25, 19 1:17 AM
I think with the new RBG news, Junebug will most likely stifle her “earth shattering” breaking news. As a matter of fact, this thread will probably be deleted now that the RBG news has been brought to light. This is about as bad of news that liberals can possibly get right now. She had her chance to step down for a younger SCOTUS under Obama but refused so she could be a champion of women. Now look. Trump will replace her with a woman....but a woman whose views on Roe V Wade are the ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 23, 19 10:27 PM
Tripping over yourself a little too hard to dance on an old lady's still-empty grave.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 24, 19 8:22 AM
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A RUTHLESS SUPREME COURT WOULD DO MUCH TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
By They call me (2751), southampton on Aug 24, 19 9:14 AM
@ Po Boy

["sigh"]

Your statement, "FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.", is a LIE, as readers can verify by consulting the FBI report cited (supra.) Your infantile fallacy (All "As" are "Cs", therefore, all "Cs" are "As" [Hammers and clubs being "As" and Blunt Objects being "Cs"]) is so patently false that a toddler (i.e., one whose intellect is just a bit more developed than an infant) would recognize its fatuity.

You proffered this ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 24, 19 10:15 PM
sigh... intentionally obtuse you are.

As readers can see for themselves per your challenge, 472 were killed by blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) and 403 by rifles in 2017 per the FBI.

Whether you want to define a hammer, a club, a chair or a [insert object here] as different in the discussion, knock yourself out. The point is...more people were killed by non-edged objects, than rifles.

Yes hat, blunt objects CAN be more dangerous than rifles. It is and always will ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 25, 19 3:44 PM
@ Po Boy

Non-responsive casuistry that only emphasizes your thoroughgoing dishonesty.

You continue to misidentify all the "blunt objects" of the FBI report to be "hammers and clubs" for the sake of "authenticating" the lie that hammers and clubs are used as murder weapons more often than rifles.

And you continue to proclaim that rifles are inherently less dangerous than rocks.

Such deranged contentions persuade no one, but, as I have already noted, that is of ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 25, 19 5:59 PM
HAHAHA...stop, please stop...you're embarrassing yourself....old issue, the stats remain consistent...same outcome...

Greg Abbott says that according to FBI, more people are killed each year with clubs, hammers than with rifles
By Sue Owen on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Politifact

True!

Our Ruling
That said, it is correct that FBI data indicates that in 2011, more people were killed with "clubs and hammers" than with any type of rifle. We rate ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:20 PM
@ Po Boy

"[A]ccording to the FBI’s data covering 2005 through 2011, blunt objects SUCH AS clubs and hammers were consistently used to murder more people than rifles alone. (emphasis added)"*

THAT'S what Politifact found to be TRUE, Po Boy.

Once again, you have selectively edited a reference to make it say something that it does not. Simply another lie by omission.



* "Greg Abbott says that according to FBI, more people are killed each year with ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 26, 19 8:01 PM
Their ruling was on what Greg Abbott SAID.

Greg Abbott says that according to FBI, more people are killed each year with clubs, hammers than with rifles
By Sue Owen on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Politifact

True snopes found.

FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

TRUE!!

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 8:23 PM
Disoriented Joe Biden Doesn’t Know in Which State He Is Campaigning

Tells People of New Hampshire How Much He Loves Being in Vermont
Aug 25, 19 1:18 AM appended by They call me
The Democrats are now the enemy of the United States of America, when they declared themselves for Open Borders they declared they want no longer want the USA to exist as a nation.Biden is clearly out of it. What an embarrassment.
By They call me (2751), southampton on Aug 25, 19 1:18 AM
According to the left:
1) The planet will be destroyed in 12 years (never mind that they’ve been saying this for 28 years now)
2) Gender is a social construct (never mind XX and XY chromosomes)
3) Socialism works (never mind how it destroyed the economies of Venezuela, Eastern Europe and the USSR)
4) 80k in Russian FaceBook ads altered the 2016 election (never mind the mainstream media bashing Trump 24-7 ever since he announced his candidacy)

Enough !
By Undocumented Democrat (2004), southampton on Aug 25, 19 9:42 AM
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1. The planet will be around for at least another 5 billion years. After that, the sun will enter the red giant phase of it's life cycle.

2. Gender is hormonal, not just chromosomal.

3. Communism doesn't work. Socialism exists in this country as it stands.

4. Between disinformation, rural voters, and people not voting, Trump got elected. Just goes to show how parodic this republic has become.

You're right. Enough is enough. Enough belittling intelligence and science. ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 25, 19 3:48 PM
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1. The planet will be around for at least another 5 billion years. After that, the sun will enter the red giant phase of it's life cycle.

2. Gender is hormonal, not just chromosomal.

3. Communism doesn't work. Socialism exists in this country as it stands.

4. Between disinformation, rural voters, and people not voting, Trump got elected. Just goes to show how parodic this republic has become.

You're right. Enough is enough. Enough belittling intelligence and science. ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 25, 19 3:48 PM
Mr. Z - "enough belittling intelligence"

also Mr. Z - " Enough of the stupidity on "the right"
By even flow (937), East Hampton on Aug 26, 19 11:05 AM
'RURAL VOTERS'?? Whiskey tango foxtrot are you insinuating ? Does your usual anti capitalist , class warfare schtick now include insulting rural voters too? Fracking elitist liberals are disgusting.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 26, 19 12:57 PM
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And lo, ye remove all doubt...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 26, 19 6:52 PM
Yep, two plus years of a corrupt and bogus investigation to remove a duly elected president...what ever happened to those cries for impeachment?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 7:30 PM
Like a Republican Senate would ever vote to do so.

It is to laugh...
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 27, 19 12:38 AM
Did that ever matter? There is an election to be won in 2020!
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 28, 19 10:47 AM
Melania is the most elegant, most stylish and yes most beautiful first Lady of all time .
Shame on the left wing magazines failing to cover her. No wonder they are all going broke.
By Erin 27 E (1235), hampton bays on Aug 26, 19 12:20 PM
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Melania is fine, but if a Democrat's wife had that thick of an accent you best believe Fox News wouldn't shut up about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 2:06 PM
Melania and her parents came to the US through chain migration.
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 2:47 PM
Whether Melania and her parents came to the US through "chain migration," aka family reunification visas is unproven according to snopes*.

Fore, you say the same thing every time this topic comes up. You have nothing to base it on other than your own prejudice. More to the point, it's ridiculous.


*Did Melania Trump’s Parents Arrive in the U.S. Through ‘Chain Migration’? 8 FEBRUARY 2018
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:22 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that many Republicans would take up issue with a first lady that spoke with an accent, but you don't have to agree.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 6:26 PM
You thinking it's obvious doesn't make it obvious.

Please support your ridiculous claim.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 7:27 PM
My opinion is my own. You're free to disagree, but I continue to believe it's obvious many Republicans would throw a fit if a Democratic first lady spoke with a thick accent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 8:21 PM
"obvious"

What a bigot.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 8:31 PM
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Or if she worked here illegally as Melania trump did when she first arrived in the US? And can you imagine the howling if a Democratic first lady's nude and provocative photos were posted on the internet as Melania trump's are?
Oh, and btw, the most elegant, most beautiful, most stylish first lady was Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. No contest.
Aug 26, 19 10:27 PM appended by June Bug
And Jackie's beauty was natural. Unlike the nude model presently occupying the White House --oh wait, she actually lives in Maryland near her son's school--she never had plastic surgery or, ahem, an unexplained week-long stay in a hospital.
By June Bug (2527), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 26, 19 10:27 PM
Yes, the puritan party would kvetch, without a doubt.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 26, 19 10:48 PM
TRUMP: ‘FAKE AND DISGUSTING’ MEDIA TRYING TO ‘FORCE A RECESSION’ BEFORE 2020
Meanwhile, Trump strikes historic trade deal with Japan

"Before I arrived in France, the Fake and Disgusting News was saying that relations with the 6 others countries in the G-7 are very tense, and that the two days of meetings will be a disaster. Just like they are trying to force a Recession, they are trying to “will” America into..
— Donald J. Trump (@ real ...more
By Ditch Bum (856), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 12:25 PM
Dolt 45

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s mistold tale of Obama and Iran
By CALVIN WOODWARD and HOPE YEN

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday assailed the Obama administration for being hoodwinked by Iran, making his case with a frequently told and false story about the U.S. giving billions of dollars to Tehran.

In an extended news conference with French President Emmanuel Macron and other remarks at the G-7 summit, Trump also asserted inaccurately that ...more
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 27, 19 7:00 AM
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What’s the big deal,the president is a liar. Move on
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 8:03 AM
Ditch bum, funny thing about reporting. You report after the fact, not before. If the economy is tanking , fingers will point at the chosen one, trump. He is foolish enough to always claim he’s driving the economy. His policies aren’t helping. Describing the head of the fed the way he does solves no purpose.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 3:29 PM
Wait, you've been telling us this is Obama's economy.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:34 PM
Wait Po boy. trumps tariffs. Trumps tax cuts that are killing the deficit. Trumps meddling in the feds biz. Just to clarify
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 3:38 PM
Fred, for some reason you can't follow a thread to stay on topic when it's right under your nose...which makes your posts nothing more than rambling incoherence. If you know something the rest of us don't about what the future holds, please do tell how and to what we should attribute this super power of yours.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 3:54 PM
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Po boy, I’m stating what trump is doing nothing more. I am following the thread. By the way what’s wrong with my statement? Trumps got the world economies on edge with his decisions. That’s wrong and incoherent? I do know trumps bumbling along, anything that happens he caused. But I like your critique, I’ll still critique your posts whenever I feel like it. You act like your the shining start of facts and figures, far from it.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 4:33 PM
"I am following the thread."

~ Fred

No you're not.

~ Po Boy
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 7:26 PM
Po boy, right. You are always right. Thanks for pointing it out.can you point out what’s false or wrong about my post. The point about the deficit?harrasing the fed? Tell me
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 7:40 PM
Po boy, right. You are always right. Thanks for pointing it out.can you point out what’s false or wrong about my post. The point about the deficit?harrasing the fed? Tell me
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 7:40 PM
It's wrong in that you have NO IDEA what the long term results will be. You only think it plays good in the short term politically. Harrassing the fed? A president appoints the Fed board members. Is that not influence? Oy.

If you know something the rest of us don't about what the future holds, please do tell how and to what we should attribute this super power of yours.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 8:28 PM
President Trump is doing what’s best for the USA, no wonder the alt left is losing what’s”s left of its mind! What’s good for America is bad for Democrats and what’s good for Democrats is bad for America.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 26, 19 7:53 PM
"The goddamn Germans got nothin' to do with it."

~ Sheriff Buford T. Justice
By Mr. Z (11540), North Sea on Aug 27, 19 12:39 AM
President Trump is doing what’s best for the USA, no wonder the alt left is losing what’s”s left of its mind! What’s good for America is bad for Democrats and what’s good for Democrats is bad for America.
By bigfresh (4536), north sea on Aug 26, 19 7:53 PM
Raising the deficit is good for America? Really? Him trying trying to manipulate the fed is good? Tariffs based on nothing but his idea of a deal is good for America? Just explain why raising the deficit is good, I’ll wait for an answer, that won’t come
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 26, 19 8:26 PM
If you know something the rest of us don't about what the future holds Fred, please do tell how and to what we should attribute this super power of yours.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 8:29 PM
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Po boy, let’s hear a counterpoint, not just a lame comment. I know bigfresh won’t, he’s a talking point, nothing more.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 5:12 AM
You already got the appropriate counterpoint to your drivel.

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 10:20 AM
Poboy,Not from you.tell us how how a ballooning deficit is good for the country.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 10:27 AM
If you know something the rest of us don't about what the future holds Fred, please do tell how and to what we should attribute this super power of yours.
By Po Boy (4700), Water Mill on Aug 26, 19 8:29 PM

But if you want to go down this road Fred. Question. Does Congress, specifically the Democrat House, hold the power of the purse?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 10:46 AM
Po boy, answer the question, is a ballooning deficit good for us? Stop your shuffling and and answer .
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 10:49 AM
First, answer this: Are deision related to a ballooning deficit a function of two different branches of government to which are held by both Democrats and Republicans?
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 11:27 AM
Poboy, answer my question. Don’t deflect.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 11:38 AM
The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018: Irresponsible, Wasteful, and Unaffordable

The Heritage Foundation
February 21, 2018

By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 12:10 PM
So , trumps tax cuts were bipartisan? Didn’t know that. (S)So his economic rhetoric about supply side economics had no impact on the deficit?the tax cuts fueled the economy, raising tax recipients? Laffer curve is working just fine? Hmmm. Thanks for the non answer.
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 12:24 PM
Revenues are down about 1 percent from what was projected, but it's not a revenue problem, it's a spending problem and this is clearly bipartisan. SSDD.
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 1:15 PM
You know what else didn't live up to projections? Economic growth.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 1:33 PM
It feels good to be an American. I love this country.
By DiseaseDiocese (586), Riverhead on Aug 26, 19 11:55 PM
Fred : "Trumps got the world economies on edge with his decisions"

As it should be President Trump is the president of the United States of America not the UN ! Something you have forgotten about halfway through the Obummer administration.

We are tired of taking it up the * from the rest of the world! China must stop manipulating its currency, North Korea and Iran must stop sponsoring and promoting terrorism.

Islam must fix its radical terrorist component the has a ...more
By 27dan (2768), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 27, 19 9:09 AM
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27dan,it’s a world market out there. Trump wants to retreat back into 1948 for some reason. The tariffs are being paid for by us, not the Chinese.as to the last part, more like the Republican Party has to fix the white nationalist problem, which kills more people in our country then any other terrorist group. Good luck, don’t want to deplete trumps base
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 10:16 AM
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Republicans are no more responsible for the acts of white nationalists than Muslims are for the acts of radical islamists.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 10:36 AM
Correct and we say it loud and proud every day Islam in general not so much ...
By Ditch Bum (856), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 11:10 AM
I find it very telling that bitter Fred and June always focus on "white nationalism" as the main problem but both say nothing about Dans comment on how radical Islam must stop promoting Anti semitic, Homophobic and Misogynistic behavior.

It is quite obvious what is the most important issue driving your consistent attitude !

The color of your skin no longer matters, you are now being judged on your actions ! Are you an American first? A patriot or something else ?
By They call me (2751), southampton on Aug 27, 19 12:44 PM
Chim chim, figured I’d dig out your old nickname. I’m an American. The FBI cites white nationalist hate groups as the number one threat . Your bigotry is what is driving you. I’m against all terrorism , but the white nationalist are the number one threat. Feel free to question my love of the country anytime, shows your lack of character.
Aug 27, 19 1:14 PM appended by Fred s
One more thing for you, for questioning my patriotism...."Its better to keep your mouth closed and let people think youre a fool than to open it and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 1:14 PM
Hey Ditch, Muslims remind you every day that they aren't responsible for the acts of violent individuals. If you're not paying attention, that's your problem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 1:20 PM
Actions speak louder than words, Just look what they are doing to Europe its shameful and disgusting behavior. Sorry you would rather turn a blind eye.
By Ditch Bum (856), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 1:52 PM
Exactly, you don't care that Muslims regularly and loudly denounce violence in the name of Islam.

Nothing will ever be enough for you, even though you love defending the proud boys and the like.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7586), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 27, 19 1:57 PM
Hey Freddy....you've already opened your mouth so much the doubt factor no longer exist.

Thanks Mark!

The village still calls...but now it asks if fore is available if you are not.
By Bayman3142 (248), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 9:35 PM
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
Socrates
By Fred s (3002), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 9:46 PM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"Greg Abbott says that according to FBI, more people are killed each year with clubs, hammers than with rifles
By Sue Owen on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Politifact

True snopes found."
----------------------------------------------

You have either failed to grasp or deliberately overlooked the use of synecdoche in the Politifact article. (I assume that your inane reference to "[s]nopes" [which has nothing to do with ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 27, 19 9:14 AM
High hat wants the guns so the government can impose there will on the people !
By Undocumented Democrat (2004), southampton on Aug 27, 19 9:35 AM
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"Greg Abbott SAYS [emphasis added]...."

True! More people are killed each year with clubs, hammers than with rifles says Snopes.

"NO EVIDENCE" you say? Well, except for fact checkers who are able to remove the element of intentionally obtuse from the analysis.

How is it that Greg Abbott who verbatim quoted the same statistic as I did without using "such as" is found to be TRUE? LOL....

Answer? Their not thick as a brick!
Aug 27, 19 9:57 AM appended by Po Boy
*They're
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 9:57 AM
@ Po Boy

A non-responsive farrago of ignorance, mendacity and misdirection:

1) I responded to your citation of a Politifact article, showing that it was irrelevant to your case. You have ignored that refutation.

2) "Snopes" appears nowhere in Greg Abbot's Twitter claim. Your continued inclusion of it in your "quotes", despite that fact being pointed out to you, indicates deception rather than mere ignorance.

Your ultimate claim, that "fact checkers [have removed] ...more
By highhatsize (4143), East Quogue on Aug 27, 19 10:43 AM
FBI: More People Killed by Hammers, Clubs, than with Rifles of Any Kind.

472 were killed by blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) and 403 by rifles in 2017 per the FBI.

Greg Abbott says that according to FBI, more people are killed each year with clubs, hammers than with rifles
By Sue Owen on Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Politifact

True!

Our Ruling
That said, it is correct that FBI data indicates that in 2011, more people were killed ...more
By Po Boy (4863), Water Mill on Aug 27, 19 10:56 AM
Who's on first?
By Aeshtron (385), Southampton on Aug 27, 19 11:05 AM
Bigfreash and Dan have put there finger on the crux of the matter for sure !
By Undocumented Democrat (2004), southampton on Aug 27, 19 9:34 AM
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