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Jul 2, 2013 10:18 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Immigration: From Making Their Way To Finding A Path

Jul 5, 2013 3:59 PM

By Virginia Garrison

A 24-year-old hasn’t seen his parents in eight years after moving to Southampton illegally from Guatemala.

A legal permanent resident now living in Hampton Bays waited a decade for his wife and sons in Ecuador to join him here.

Current immigration law splinters families like theirs, according to supporters of reform like the bill the U.S. Senate approved last Thursday, which would blaze a 13-year path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and expedite visas for spouses of permanent residents, among other things.

Now it’s up to the House of Representatives to tackle immigration reform, which advocates say would “reunify” families and critics predict would lead to “chains” of immigrating family members.

The man who immigrated from Ecuador—who, like the young man from Guatemala, requested anonymity—said Spanish-speaking families in particular are closely knit. “When we are together, we are happy, even if one of us doesn’t have a job,” said the Ecuadorian, who worked as a psychologist in his native country before spending years painting houses with his brothers and moving from state to state to earn a living in the United States.

In terms of weather, food and the economy, Ecuador was “like a paradise,” he said, but also dangerous, with gangs making threats against his family. “We were in jeopardy,” he said.

The young man from Guatemala, on the other hand, joined a cousin in crossing the border through Mexico so he could “work more” to allow his father, who has epilepsy, to “work less.” He continues to send money home between working as a landscaper, studying English and car repair, and earning a general equivalency diploma. “I still miss my parents, because I’m the only boy in the family,” said the 24-year-old, who stays in touch with his parents and four sisters using FaceTime, a feature of Apple smartphones that allows video calling.

Numbers Are Growing

Like him, an estimated one in five immigrants on Long Island is undocumented, according to Neighbors in Support of Immigrants, which is an organization based in Hampton Bays. There are about 100,000 undocumented immigrants from Westhampton Beach to Montauk and Riverhead to Orient Point—including migrant workers who tend crops or handle horses—and about 75,000 to 80,000 if migrant workers are excluded, according to Carlos Piovanetti, an attorney for Immigration Legal Services of Long Island.

The Brentwood-based organization expanded the hours of its satellite office in Water Mill on July 1. “We wanted to shrink, but we keep expanding. We want immigrants to integrate,” Mr. Piovanetti said.

Many of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States live in fear of deportation. They may forgo basic expectations like the minimum wage, decent housing and protection under criminal and civil law to remain in “the shadows,” as the office of U.S. Senator Charles Schumer, a sponsor of the Senate bill, and many others have put it.

“Immigrants have a right to go to court, but they’re afraid,” said Mr. Piovanetti, who recently helped a group of local women whose wealthy South Fork client reneged on a negotiated fee after they had completed a large job.

Mr. Piovanetti said he believes the government has a perfect right to weed out illegal immigrants “with serious criminal issues,” but he added, “Deportation is worse than anything else that could happen.” The attorney noted, “People commit crimes and go to jail for one or two years.” In contrast, he said, if someone is deported, “your family does not know what’s going to happen to you.”

Easing The Legal Burden

Daniel Hartnett of Sag Harbor, a social worker affiliated with East End schools, as well as a board member of Immigration Legal Services of Long Island, described a typical “blended family” in which the status of one member affects the others. “What immigration reform is going to do is going to ease the crazy legal burden that the immigration system puts on a family like this,” a family replicated on the East End and most likely throughout the country, he said.

In Mr. Hartnett’s hypothetical family, one member is a child born in this country and thus a citizen. One parent is a Green Card holder, a legal permanent resident with almost all the rights of a citizen who “can walk out the door and not worry about anything.” The other is undocumented, and thus cannot travel freely and has no Social Security number or driver’s license.

The parents might have come to this country for humanitarian or political reasons—Mr. Hartnett worked with one child who’d been kidnapped by a cartel in Colombia, for example. “There’s a lot of anxiety and worry and fear in a family like that,” he said of the blended household. “Sometimes there are children who worry if their parents are going to be home,” or a wife who told him, “My husband was arrested last night for making an illegal left turn, and I think he’s in immigration detention.”

The man from Ecuador described a similar experience involving his brother, who had a Green Card, and his brother’s girlfriend, an undocumented immigrant from Portugal who lived with the brother in Southampton and Miami as they consulted lawyers about how to legitimize her status. “They suffered a lot because she was not able to work,” the psychologist said. She was “scared and had to stay home.”

Mr. Hartnett said a permanent resident can petition to legalize the status of a spouse, but that the spouse may need to return to the country of origin to get the visa to return legitimately to the United States. “It’s not likely that they, say, go to the embassy at 10 o’clock on May 31. The wait might be six months, nine months or a year and a half,” he said. “So that individual in a sense in some ways has abandoned the family.”

Concern For Children

Also in the blended family, the parents may have left two children in their native country while saving up money to bring them here. Raised by a grandparent or another relative, the children are teenagers by the time they arrive, having gone years without seeing their parents and never having met the youngest sibling.

The older children adjust to the new household and new school, play by the rules: learning English, studying hard, earning awards. They are stunned to discover, once they turn 16, that they can’t get a driver’s license, or, when they’re 18, that they are not eligible for college aid.

“We have a special concern about the children, many of whom were brought here quite young in their lives,” said Sylvia Baruch, who co-chairs Neighbors in Support of Immigrants along with Sister Mary Beth Moore of Centro Corazon de Maria, a mission serving Latinos that works out of St. Rosalie’s Church in Hampton Bays.

“And then there’s this threat that they could be sent home to a country they don’t know,” Ms. Baruch continued. “And when they graduate from our high schools and colleges, they can’t legally get a job or drive to the job, so that is another area of concern.”

Since last August, an Obama program called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals has granted temporary legal status to nearly 300,000 undocumented young people nationwide. Mr. Piovanetti said Immigration Legal Services of Long Island alone had processed about 500 applications since an executive order for the program went into effect.

Deferred action allows young undocumented immigrants to work and drive, and it protects them from deportation. Sister Mary Beth noted that the executive order will have to be renewed after two years, which questions the long-term security of young people who risked coming out from the shadows to apply. In addition, it is open only to a “very narrow group of youth,” the sister said. They have to have been younger than 16 years old when they came to this country, must have been here for at least five years, and must be under 30, among other restrictions.

The 24-year-old landscaper, for example, was already 16 when he crossed the border and thus is not be eligible.

“It’s really hard to find people that will help you and advise you how to start life in another country,” he said recently, explaining that there was no one to help him enroll in school, and that his first employer, a native citizen who paid him in cash, never explained that he should have had a tax ID.

For the past three years, working under a different employer, he has been paying taxes, which he reached for words to explain helps to prove “that you’re helping this country and not being, like, a charge for this country.”

Bad Advice

The Ecuadorian psychologist also could have used better advice. An attorney told him not to marry while he was seeking a Green Card in 1998, creating a “nightmare” down the road when he tried to bring his family to this country. He traveled several times each year to Ecuador both to see them and to try to keep everyone’s status intact, including one son who’d been born here while his wife was in the United States on a tourist visa, and another born in Ecuador who has a Green Card and whose diapers the psychologist vividly remembers changing on airplane trips.

Upon the advice of a different lawyer, the psychologist and his wife, an accountant, finally were married in Ecuador in 2004. At the end of 2011, she got a call saying to get her paperwork together immediately. “They gave her, like, two weeks to come here,” her husband said, telling her, “If you don’t come here by that time, your husband will have to apply again.”

“Now, we are together with the family,” he said, adding that he and his wife intend to apply for citizenship. “To have the citizenship, that is giving the people a chance to be part of the community,” he said. Whether it’s Ecuador or the United States, he said, people will be at and on their best when they are treated as full-fledged members of a community.

“If they allow them to be here, they are going to grateful in the future,” he said.

A Path To Citizenship

The psychologist’s situation with his wife would have been different if the Senate bill just passed had been in effect. Under the bill, spouses and children of Green Card holders would be treated just like spouses and children of citizens, which means there would be no wait time to join their families here, according to Mr. Schumer’s office.

If the House were to approve immigration reform like the Senate’s—which at the moment is considered unlikely—many Southampton Town residents could embark on a path to citizenship, said Michael Anthony of Neighbors in Support of Immigrants and Organizing for America, which is pushing for reform.

“It’s a very arduous path,” Mr. Anthony said. “They would be getting provisional citizenship status. At the end of 13 years, they would eventually be able to become citizens, and, of course, they would be able to step forward, sort of come out of the shadows [and] become more a part of the community and all that entails.”

Mr. Anthony stressed that this was “not a free pass.” Undocumented residents would have to clear background checks, learn English and civics, prove that they’re gainfully employed and pay application fees, fines and any back taxes.

Many undocumented immigrants, like the young landscaper, not only pay property and sales taxes, but also have Federal Insurance Contribution Act accounts, Mr. Anthony said. “So they’re paying into Social Security and Medicare, although they cannot avail themselves of those services.”

“I think it’s fair to look for back taxes, but many immigrants have been paying all along and will be able to document that,” said Mr. Hartnett. Additionally, he said, if they can find their way to citizenship, “these are folks who are going to go fully on to our tax systems—taxpayers, licensed drivers with insured cars.”

U.S. Representative Tim Bishop said he has been a strong supporter of earned legalization, and most of the Senate bill’s provisions for all of his 11 years in office, during which time immigration reform has gathered an increasing amount of support. The congressman said he was certain that more than half of Long Islanders support a path to citizenship like that provided for in the Senate bill.

Mr. Bishop noted on Monday that Speaker John Boehner had called immigration reform like that approved by the Senate “dead on arrival” and a “nonstarter” as far as the House was concerned.

Even so, the congressman said he was “very hopeful that we can come to some common understanding in the House that will allow us to move forward on this.”

In the meantime, the 24-year-old landscaper hopes someday to find time to write a book and pursue his interests in music and computers. He would like to become a permanent resident, or a citizen, in part to be able to visit Ecuador to see his family.

“I thought it would be a really good opportunity to come to the U.S.,” said the young man, who made the decision to leave Guatemala at the suggestion of his cousin. “He knew my parents, he knew they struggle with that disease my dad has.

“I didn’t think twice,” the landscaper said. “I just said ‘yes.’”

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Whenever i hear or read the term "undocumented immigrants" I can't help but think all they need is a Master Forger.
By Duckbornandraised (104), Eastport on Jul 5, 13 8:02 AM
Sure the CBo that said by 2012 we would have a surplus of 3 trillion dollars. Take a look at California to see what happens when you have a large influx of the illegal aliens. You go broke. The House of Representatives will never sign the bill unless they have e verify for workers. If that happens then illegals will not be able to work anymore. Not to mention they want the border secured with a fence and more border patrol. These people broke the law and now want speciall treatment. By the way ...more
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 5, 13 8:45 PM
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Stop requring governments and school districts from the responsibility of caring for them and teaching their children and they will turn tail and head back to mexico.
By Walt (249), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 3:05 PM
Lock down the border first! A path to LEGALIZATION, not citizenship for the illegals already here with no criminal record and working. A sane approach for work visas , and e- verify, no government benefits for anyone unless they can prove legal status. BOTICE: THERE IS NO MENTION OF ETHNICITY IN THE ABOVE POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 6, 13 7:29 AM
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We already had immigration reform it didn't work.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 6, 13 4:07 PM
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Yeah and the Dems want to repeat amnesty without fixing the underling problem
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 6, 13 7:28 PM
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Why does border security have to be a condition to this bill? Secure borders is a necessity not a bargaining chip.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 7, 13 1:18 PM
Secure borders are anethema to the left, as proven by our own Champ!
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 7, 13 3:34 PM
Considering 12 million came across the border illegally any intelligent person would agree with Republicans that there is a problem.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 8, 13 10:56 PM
That's the point genius so they can't come and go as they please. They would need a passport like the rest of us law abiding taxpaying slaves. I'm sure we will make sure there will be plrnty of exits for illegals who want to leave.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 9, 13 7:57 AM
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Chief some of us found out on the other thread in you ignore him he goes away! We started a no trolls till august 1st champaign and it has worked rather nice. TCM dubbed it "A dummy free Summer" Please feel free to participate
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 9, 13 4:54 PM
:)
By PBR (4490), Southampton on Jul 9, 13 4:59 PM
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By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 9, 13 10:34 PM
Well, even though closing it's borders did not work well for China, maybe we could try it.

We've obviously learned how to create a fiat currency economy...

NOT.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 1:49 AM
The subject is ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS! Legal immigrants have visas and can travel. A secure border is crucial to solving the immigration problem.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 9, 13 7:00 AM
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Joe thanks for posting this before I did not see it and found it fascinating as I do all Mr Sowells work

Hey Un doc since you and Z are in a reading mood check this out

Who Is Racist?
By Thomas Sowell - July 9, 2013

I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

Apparently other Americans also recognize that the sources of racism are different today from what they were in the past. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, ...more
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 9, 13 4:49 PM
it is disturbing that this goes un reported by the media did you see that over the july 4th weekend 48 people were shot in chicago and 11 of them all african american died. stop and frisk is needed on the streets of chicago immediately. black on black crime is reaching epidemic proportions.the pop culture in these community's has gone terribly off the rails. There are no more dads no more role models. in 2011 91% of all black americans who were murdered were killed by other blacks.very sad
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 9, 13 11:16 PM
Though it is the season, and I tend to keep odd hours, I am NEVER in the mood not to read...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 1:43 AM
Slave wages and substandard conditions??!! W T ? are you talking about? Do you have any idea what my employees make per hour? Probably more than you Champ. Substandard conditions? Some of the finest properties in the world are not substandard working conditions, I do the same work as my employees, there's nothing wrong with physical labor, you shoule try it sometime. Still avoiding topic of ILLEGAL vs LEGAL immigration, typical.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 9, 13 5:42 PM
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By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 9, 13 10:28 PM
Yeah, their is.

It's called "Wal-Mart", "Sears Holdings", and in general "corporate America".

BF and I do disagree, but it's only because of his limited experience as a "job creator", but woefully lacking understanding how to "live" on $150 a week...
Jul 10, 13 1:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
And BF, don't forget that major corporations have not totally destroyed all the better paying, private corporation jobs in your test tube environment. That statement should stymie any kneejerk argument on your part.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 1:46 AM
OBAMA ORDERS FED WORKERS: SPY ON EACH OTHER

Watch lifestyles, attitudes and behaviors...

Odd working hours, unexplained travel...

Monitor co-workers stress, divorce, financial problems...

Track online activities...

Those failing to report face penalties, criminal charges...

President Barack Obama has ordered federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues based on behavioral profiling techniques

This White house has ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 9, 13 10:44 PM
HOLY MC CARTHY, BATMAN!!!!
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 1:44 AM
It is necessary that laws should be passed to prohibit the use of corporate funds directly or indirectly for political purposes; it is still more necessary that such laws should be thoroughly enforced.

~ Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 2:07 AM
Glad everyone likes Teddy " We have room for but one flag, the american flag. We have room for but one language, and that is the english language..and we have room for but one sole loyalty..and that is loyalty to the american people."

- Theodore "Teddy" Rossevelt
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 12, 13 12:11 PM
Immigration bill = dog and pony show. Haven't we done this before? We'll be doing it again in 2023. The Fed govt - so much time and energy and so little positive result.
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 13 11:13 AM
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The party of do nothing, right back at it. Sit in your little cocoon,bury your head in the sand. The world is evolving Archie Bunkers. Sit on the sidelines and groan. Twelve million people need to be put on payrolls,whats your answer. It isn't enough they pay taxes every time they buy something,or landlords pay their real estate and school taxes with illegal renters.I thought you all were taking the summer off,no restraint.You would do your party more good if you didn't post so much.Remember right ...more
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 10, 13 1:38 PM
Unemployment at around 7.6%.
4.3 million collecting welfare.
Over 46 mill using food stamps.
7 states where welfare pays more than a $12/hr job.
9 states where welfare pays more than the natl avg teacher salary.

And we do what? Turn a blind eye to illegal immigration as we somehow feel the need to import labor for "the jobs Americans won't do." That is the go-to response, right?

What we have here is a soup of greed, liberalism running amok, a sense of entitlement, ...more
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 10, 13 2:21 PM
You forgot about the one trillion in student loans. By the way I was just reading an article about how 75 percent of the people in this country that are college graduates work outside their field. Another great fallacy of the American dream
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 10, 13 3:50 PM
Whose fault is that? Have you sent a kid to college recently. Colleges are to blame for charging too much. How about that!!! My kids have no loans. What were kids studying in school,hedge trimming ,dish washing.I guess the illegal immigrants took their jobs away. You make your way in this world. You create your own luck and wealth. That is the American way!!! Stop your whining chiefy and ds. The government does't magically make your american dream come true. You go out overwork and overachieve and ...more
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 10, 13 5:02 PM
Inflation runs deeper than institutions overcharging at the door.

Greespan printed well over 8 trillion dollars since 1991, and speculators have taken that fake cash and bid up the price of everything in sight.

From LIBOR to the mortgage market to a slap on the wrists for laundering billions in drug money, the game is rigged folks.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 6:09 PM
Mets fan, if you got whining and Jim Crow out of my last post then I can't help you. If you think I expect assistance from the govt to help with my "American Dream" then you are nuts. If you think values like hard work, accountability, responsibility, and perseverance are out of style then please show me the new and better alternative.
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 11, 13 7:41 AM
Isn't that you were referring to. Pick and choose what was so wonderful years ago. More right wing fear mongering. We are all living many times better than the generation before. There is just as many responsible hard working people as the generation before us. Gloom and doom, the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket. Typical right wing theatrics. The total near collapse of our economy was brought about by educated wall-streeters and upper crust bankers, not the illegal immigrants who do ...more
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 10:36 AM
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Riiiiight.... That's EXACTLY what I was saying. Bravo, sir.
Excuse me, I have more right wing fear mongering to attend to.
Your arguments remind me of a rodent running on a hamster wheel. There's a lot going on, but the destination never quite realized.
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 11, 13 11:26 AM
That's exactly what you were saying
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 12:13 PM
Mets fan - I don't fall for the "defending what I didn't say" tactic when debating. Unlike you, I made a clear point, the connection between corp greed and suppressed wages + the entitlement growing to the point where it's the better play to turn down $12/hour, that has an end result of illegal immigrants filling the void. If you somehow see that as some right wing agenda then that's really not my problem.
If you could get through the fog that is your political party ideology, then maybe, just ...more
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 11, 13 1:15 PM
I have no idea what your talking about. Let's just go back to the good old days where everybody had a strong work ethic, much better than the lazy pieces of crap of today that take government handouts. Is that what you are trying to say? Overwhelming majority of people I know are responsible and hard working.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 4:52 PM
Just because you're a hard worker "on the clock", doesn't mean you aren't lazy when it comes to the multitude of things which require hard work in this life.

Most corporations like the retail industry try to stay "bipartisan" and don't officially reveal any party affiliation, but enjoy pumping their money into politics nonetheless. Most of the major corporations who do reveal party affiliation, like the king of low wages and sheer number of employees on government that is Wal-Mart, align ...more
Jul 11, 13 8:01 PM appended by Mr. Z
Edit: so called "government handouts"
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 11, 13 8:01 PM
@ Foghorn:

Strange Fruit, by Billie Holliday (1939)
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 11, 13 8:08 PM
Mets, the overwhelming majority of the people you know is a sampling for you, and a representation of one demographic. Entitlements are growing because a growing number of people want them. Easier to get that check in the mail than go out and earn it. You can disagree all you like, but the data is there. We created this, now we deal with the results. No party politics there, just plain old reality.
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 12, 13 7:37 AM
I'll agree with you with that. I am frustrated by in-laws who are staunch republicans,complain about how Obamas giving the house away, yet weren't too proud sitting on their duffs collecting unemployment for nine months while perfectly healthy and able. I have worked extensively in a broad section of America from the worst urban areas(extensively) to blue collar suburbs and did business with billionaires.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 12, 13 9:19 AM
I've never had a job that paid for my health insurance there Champ, paid for it myself since the age of 18, still not sure why ANYONE expects their employer to pay for their insurance. To answer your question, not sure why, but sitting here in the AC feels good after another long day in this heat so why not, no I don't provide health insurance for my employees, I simply can't afford to, they make enough to pay their own way, and do! My business is seasonal, for my employees and myself, some get ...more
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 10, 13 4:36 PM
Re: Health Insurance

No one should get a "free ride" on medical/dental/vision unless the profit margin is insanely high, but maybe because in this climate a group has more bargaining power?

By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 10, 13 6:06 PM
Phil, I agree with the first part. Important to note that some employers would like to offer benefits, but can't afford to. That's a problem for small business and it isn't getting easier.
By double standard (1493), Remsenburg on Jul 12, 13 7:29 AM
You know, it's kind of odd that on one hand you refer to these workers as your "employees" and on the other you say they are paid via 1099 as "contractors. I suppose this is so you don't need to contribute to their Social Security, worker's comp and other things that "real" employers do. Of course that means that these people, being truly independent work on their own schedule, not one that you assign to them, right? I suppose they must also purchase their own work materials and are free to make ...more
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 12, 13 8:19 PM
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Your sure worked the system good bf. You pay them in cash? Did you check social security numbers are real like every employer supposed to? With a diluted work force your job looks good despite not paying benefits, so you benefit from the illegals that come to work. You see if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 10, 13 5:12 PM
My contractors receive a 1099 at the end of the year, no such thing as cash in my business. They have been with me for 7 years on average and there's no complaints about the work or the compensation, 3 families have a roof over their head, nice vehicles, kids all doing well in Southampton schools because of the jobs I provide. How many of the Marxist cheerleaders here can claim that?
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 10, 13 7:38 PM
Seven jobs yoo-hoo!!!! This left-winger created hundreds of jobs and hundreds of jobs for my suppliers. Not good to stereotype people bf.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 12:11 PM
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The biggest problems have been caused by many of our so-called good-meaning americans. Since 1979 gas crunch,what have americans done but send our money to the arabs. Do you see anything different in regards to mass transit? We didn't start driving smaller economic cars, in our arrogance we all started driving big SUV trucks. This alone is one of the biggest reasons we have the financial situation we're in. Technology is cutting jobs at a record pace. Despite our american arrogance, stupidity,and ...more
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 10, 13 10:03 PM
drill drill drill. Mo jobs home mo money home. Less dependency on the Arabs...and the mets stink
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 12, 13 12:18 PM
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You think our oil companies are patriots. They are not going to give americans a bargain basement price for oil for oil drilled at home. They want every cent of the world market. If they don't get the price at home they'll just export it. You want to be a patriot drive a car that gets forty plus miles per gallon. ZZ you really have drifted away to nothing.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 12, 13 8:19 PM
What's your solution Einstein. Socialize the oil industry.
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 13, 13 11:32 AM
Don't cry when gas is four dollars a gallon and then
blame Obama. Here is a simple one drive a car thats gets forty miles per gallon, that's my solution.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 13, 13 2:56 PM
law of supply, demand and the free market. Lower taxes on the industry and allow the to drill on US soil. Watch the prices drop, create new jobs and grow the economy
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 14, 13 9:00 PM
What's the one thing everyday americans could have controlled since the 1979 gas crunch and chose not to, the demand part. Blame Obama ,right.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 15, 13 9:15 AM
There are two words you never hear in the same sentence. Carter and lead.
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 15, 13 1:06 PM
Lead and lead two separate meanings. You must have lead (as in led) in your head and heart. Perhaps you do not remember President Jimmy Carter. A fine Christian man who was "run" over by the very kind of person who is in the "Tea Party" of this century.
back to the topic--- We citizens of this country need to legalize the immigrant workers as our ancestors did with each wave of immigrants --- my Irish great-grandparents worked their way up the ladder with the laws in place then just as the ...more
By summertime (546), summerfield fl on Aug 4, 13 5:14 PM
Where have you been for the last 20 years? We have never been more efficient with our vehicle.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 11, 13 8:01 AM
Really chiefy,a suv gets the same mileage as a prius or volt. More stick your head in the sand from the right.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 10:26 AM
Oh I forgot you were the guy that didn't think it was right people volunteered at the LPGA Open last month. Some people need bigger vehicles to carry their family or some people feel safer in a SUV. Who cares what people drive? YOU should mind your own business there is a heck of a lot more wrong with this world then SUV's
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 11, 13 11:39 AM
Who cares what people drive? it's been a major contributor to our deficit for the last thirty years.. If most of us drove a 40 mpg vehicle we wouldn't have to import any foreign oil, so our enemies wouldn't have the funds to combat us. But really who cares what people drive. It really is way too much sacrifice for the common arrogant american. So when you complain about today's problems just look in the mirror chiefy.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 11, 13 12:05 PM
Thanks Mr Naive for this ridiculous article. The businesses in this country contribute more than a trillion in taxes to the Feds, State, and local govts. Sometimes the govt has to give breaks to industry so they be competitive especially in the energy conservation field.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 12, 13 2:09 AM
Breaks are one thing. Government subsidy of profit is another, especially when the result is a negative tax rate. That means your money aids their bottom line. The basis of the article is not only taxes, but HOW people achieve these breaks and the ROI on such lobbying processes. There is a reason the founders of this country held such tight restrictions on corporations, and eliminated ANY participation on their part in civic life.

As usual you like to claim others are not bright, or ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 12, 13 5:33 AM
I still await your retort...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 12, 13 10:34 PM
Opposing the Obama regime's plans for our great nation is the right thing to do, the Republicans deserve your thanks. If left to His own devices, our Chup in Chief would have made things even worse than they are, after all Hi is the FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT!
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 13, 13 6:56 AM
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Nice to see the justice system occasionally works. Congrats to Zimmerman
By razza5350 (1661), East Hampton on Jul 14, 13 8:56 PM
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Can you say Tawana Brawley
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 15, 13 2:26 AM
How about OJ Simpson can you say OJ Simpson. Rev Sharpie is a race baiting trouble making loser.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Trayvon was a punk! and Rev Al and Melissa Harris-Perry and P have been proven wrong in a court of law. Thanks for playing.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 15, 13 2:32 AM
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By AFB (30), NYC/SH on Jul 15, 13 11:36 AM
there is no such thing as the newly coined white hispanic he was hispanic, so what
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 16, 13 12:30 AM
It is not "newly coined" and it is completely accurate. His race is white, or caucasian and his ethnicity is hispanic by virtue of his Peruvian mother. Why is that difficult for you?
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 16, 13 4:46 AM
you are correct in your assessment Captain
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 16, 13 11:44 PM
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By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 15, 13 10:16 AM
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By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 15, 13 10:33 AM
We already had immigration reform it didn't work. In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed an immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers. But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants. ENOUGH ALREADY.
By AFB (30), NYC/SH on Jul 15, 13 10:46 AM
Maybe it would be interesting to interview those that were given amnesty in the 80's and see where and what they are in today's society. Productive, law abiding citizens or otherwise.
By Mets fan (442), Southampton on Jul 15, 13 11:48 AM
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Behold The Part-Time Worker Society: "And We Won't Start Hiring Full-Time People"

Wall Street Journal

While the US may have "No Manufacturing Jobs But More Waiters And Bartenders Than Ever" and Obamacare has finally struck as "Part-Time Jobs Surge To All Time High; Full-Time Jobs Plunge By 240,000" a fact now begrudgingly covered by the MSM.

By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 15, 13 2:05 PM
AP Still Referring to Zimmerman as 'White'

The lie and the label that is just too good for them to let go of !
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 16, 13 9:48 AM
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Another fictional article. 90 percent of crimes on Blacks is committed by other blacks. What do you have to say about that Philly?
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 17, 13 7:48 AM
Our presidents mother is white and his father is black. Zimmermans father is white and mother is Hispanic. When someone does something good they are the minority when they do something bad they are white. I now understand Phil.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 16, 13 11:50 AM
No one knows phil, there were no witnesses.
By But I'm a blank! (991), Hampton Bays on Jul 17, 13 10:22 PM
Our jury system has rendered its verdict. Future civil suits TBD.

It might be a good time to move on?
By PBR (4490), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 6:57 AM
The problem with the "Stand Your Ground" law is that it allows for you to murder someone if they are unarmed if you simply say you felt threatened.

Nothing can change the fact remains that killing unarmed persons is not "self defense". This law strips gun owners of having the responsibility of using their firearms with proper judgement and prudence.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 8:13 AM
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By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 17, 13 7:50 AM
How about "The structure of lies in perceived American History"?

I have to now put my foot down and say that his nation was created by deists and religious parties who wanted no "God on the throne" monarchy, and eliminated "God" from civic life. They wanted religious freedom, and that included freedom from "God" and religion in their government. They also prevented corporations from being involved in civic life, and it worked until the Civil War. Stop reading the history America made ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 17, 13 8:17 AM
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Media Fail: Only 34% Disagree with Zimmerman Verdict
17 Jul 2013,
This is a catastrophic failure for the media and left. After fifteen months of lies, race-baiting, manufacturing evidence, and shrill melodrama -- a Rasmussen poll released Wednesday shows that only 34% of Americans disagree with the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the killing of teenager Trayvon Martin.
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 17, 13 7:55 PM
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Everyone in America except Holder and our resident troll the shunned one knows he isn't a Racist
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 17, 13 8:03 PM
Another recent poll is also bad news for the media. Monday we learned that only 26% of the public showed any real interest in the Zimmerman trial.

The hysterical coverage of the trial has modestly boosted the media's ratings, but at what price? As the post-verdict data comes in, it becomes more apparent that the media are way out of touch with two-thirds of the American people both in the agenda behind their coverage (the Hispanic Zimmerman is a white racist who profiled, stalked, and ...more
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By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 17, 13 8:51 PM
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Seriously?? Do you really need an answer to that question?? Are you really that out of touch with reality??
By CaptainSig (495), Dutch Harbor on Jul 19, 13 6:56 AM
Dan according to a Gallup poll released on Feb. 1.

Nationally, the amount of self-identified liberals (23 percent). I would say you have a match there huh
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 17, 13 8:55 PM
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Niece: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Would Not Wear A Hoodie
Niece of the slain civil rights leader says we need to stop dividing ourselves by race.
July 17, 2013
Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., rejected the now-viral image showing the late civil rights leader wearing a hoodie just like the one Travyon Martin wore the night of his death.
“Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not wear a hoodie,” she said. “I can assure you he would not wear sagging ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 17, 13 9:40 PM
The Zimmerman case was a political trial without legal justification brought by the state to mollify indignant blacks after propaganda by unprincipled, self-promoting, racist, black "activists" (like the despicable Rev. Al Sharpton) convinced them that the killing was racially motivated. Knowing that it had no case going in, the state overruled the decision of local authorities and indicted Zimmerman in the hope that the action would calm blacks by letting them see that we thought that Martin's ...more
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Jul 17, 13 10:11 PM
The problem with the "Stand Your Ground" law is that it allows for you to murder someone if they are unarmed if you simply say you felt threatened.

Though I agree with you on some of your points HHS, the fact remains that killing unarmed persons is not "self defense".
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 8:07 AM
Eye witnesses testified at the trail. One in particular saw the confrontation from 18 feet and testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, in a "MMA style ground and pound" position.
By Mr. Snerdley (165), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 12:24 PM
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Let's use a bit of common sense for the moment, and some K.I.S.S.

We have one young man walking down the street with groceries, and we have another man who is not only armed but a self styled neighborhood watchman (head coordinator) who according to testimony was following the young man with groceries. It's dark, and you as the young man probably think you are about to be mugged by the man shadowing you. You also have phone records that not only prove the young man was on the phone at ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 1:37 PM
He never should have confronted Martin.

It's a neighborhood watch, not neighborhood "I think I'm a cop".

I've listened to the Martin 911 call. "These a******s, they always get away." Trayvon runs, and Martin chases him. After the operator tells him to stop, you can hear him running for a full six seconds after he's instructed to stop. He doesn't know where the kid is, and that's all we get. If he didn't end the chase when the 911 operator told him to, why should we expect ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 2:07 PM
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Additionally:

In a timeline included in evidence documents released, Sanford police spelled out down to the second, what happened the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, based on time-stamped calls to their dispatch center.

It shows Zimmerman fired 1 minute, 57 seconds after he hung up.

*1911:12 - Call received from George Zimmerman reporting suspicious person

1913:19 - Zimmerman relays that suspicious person is running from him

1913:36 ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 2:18 PM
My vote would have been "Guilty".

The evidence speaks such to me.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 2:26 PM
I never said the judge was right in his instructions.

Regardless, had Zimmerman not "played cop", a young man would not be dead, "instructions" be damned. Zimmerman in his zealotry and vigilantism has this kid's blood on his hands regardless of "the law". All Zimmerman had to do was sit in his vehicle, and wait for the cops. He instead chose not to let an "a*****e" get away.

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Jul 18, 13 5:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
46 calls to 911 in less than a year, Zimmerman had been instructed by police more than once NOT to pursue a suspect, yet he did anyway. Isn't disobeying a police order "breaking the law"?
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 5:22 PM
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And, it bears mentioning that the prosecution were, shall we say, less than stellar in their performance...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 18, 13 5:40 PM
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Misleading and inaccurate. Neighborhood Watch has every legal right to carry a firearm consistent with the law and every right to defend themselves if attacked. Per the National Sheriff’s Association Neighborhood Watch Guidelines, CITIZEN PATROLS are not to carry firearms. This was NOT what Zimmerman was engaged in.

Zimmerman’s NW training and actions were consistent with the National guidelines. The job of NW watch per the guidelines is to be the eyes and ears of the police ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (165), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 11:33 AM
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Dude, he was recorded PURSUING the suspect via a 911 call. Running and panting. The recording of the 911 call alone pegs your post as a complete fantasy.

"These a******s always get away."

~ George Zimmerman
Jul 19, 13 12:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
Justice Department to Florida police: Hold Zimmerman’s gun until our investigation ends
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 19, 13 12:26 PM
Your source is from March 2012; we now know much more about the specifics of the event than was available during Tutko's comments - Zimmerman did NOT approach Martin. Advising not to carry a gun is a far cry from told "NOT TO CARRY A LOADED WEAPON" as you originally stated. He was entitled by law to carry it. You will find nothing in the Nation Sheriff's guidelines or the NW training presentation that Zimmerman received about not carrying a firearm and I welcome you to point out any oversight ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (165), Southampton on Jul 20, 13 3:54 PM
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By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 7:34 AM
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Jul 18, 13 7:34 AM appended by 27dan
opps sorry for the double post
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 18, 13 7:34 AM
What UD said is worth repeting,
Niece: MLK Would Not Wear A Hoodie
Niece of the slain civil rights leader says we need to stop dividing ourselves by race.
Dr. Alveda King, niece of MLK Jr., rejected the now-viral image showing the late civil rights leader wearing a hoodie just like the one Travyon Martin wore the night of his death.
“Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not wear a hoodie,” she said. “I can assure you he also would not wear sagging pants
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 18, 13 10:04 PM
Martin Luther King was a good man who promoted racial equality and wished for people to be judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin. Compare that to the "Rev." Al Bullhorn Sharpton. Al is all about devisiveness and bigotry . Why do you feel balcks need a leader Phil, IMHO they're the same as everyone else, capable of making decisions on their own without being led, another classic example of liberal racism.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 19, 13 6:22 AM
I have one word to describe Al Sharpton:

indignant
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 19, 13 8:14 AM
Al Sharpton - "It is true that Mr. Lincoln signed the emancipation Proclamation, after which there was a commitment to give 40 acres and a mule. That's where the argument, to this day, of reparations starts. We never got the 40 acres... We went all the way to Herbert Hoover, and we never got the 40 acres. We didn't get the mule. So we decided we'd ride this donkey as far as it would take us."
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 19, 13 9:37 AM
A senior Muslim Brotherhood official has warned that supporters of toppled Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi are "willing to die" for their cause .

Sounds like a good start
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 19, 13 9:07 AM
Still no reason you feel blacks need a "leader" Phil? Especially a race baiter like the "Rev" Al Bullhorn,
Sharpton. What has that pompous, biggitted, racist buffoon ever done that could possibly be construed as positive for race relations between black and white Americans? Has the bum ever had a real job? What the hell church would have him for a reverend? Tawana Brawley anyone? I pity the fools who follow him.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 19, 13 4:48 PM
That's like saying that the Rev. Fred Phelps speaks for whites.
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Jul 20, 13 12:01 AM
Actually you didn't. You said sharpton speaks for African Americans. Not many.
By bubby (219), southampton on Jul 20, 13 7:44 AM
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By bubby (219), southampton on Jul 20, 13 11:08 AM
I have no problem with him giving his opinions. But if you question him, he is the worst type of bully. He sits in anonymity and belittles people. Read just his posts on this board and see how often he insults people. I simply say if he wants to be a cyber bully, ill be glad to really bully him back.
By bubby (219), southampton on Jul 20, 13 1:44 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 19, 13 9:48 PM
Obama: 'Trayvon could have been me 35 years ago'
But Mr President , would you have assaulted Zimmerman ?

Obama also suggested that the outcome of the case could have been different if Martin were white.
He is so un-presidential, it is incomprehensible.Issuing statements that are only going to inflame the race baiters and cause more riots.
Jul 19, 13 10:05 PM appended by 27dan
Congratulations, Divider In Chief, way to organize community violence.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 10:05 PM
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Jul 19, 13 10:06 PM appended by 27dan
Congratulations, Divider In Chief, way to organize community violence.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 19, 13 10:06 PM
dan, been thinking about this very hard and cant get past one thing. if i was visiting a community not where i lived and it was dark, rainy and i was approached and asked who are you and what are you doing? i cant help but think my natural ans. would be "nothing sir, visiting my dad in building 14 and coming back from the 7 11 over there with some skittles and ice tea. have a nice night"
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 19, 13 10:23 PM
If I was in that situation and someone got out of their car to follow me and asked me who I was and what I was doing I'd tell him to mind his own business, except I probably wouldn't have said it so politely. I'm not sure what my response would have been if he was displaying a handgun at the time. And I'm a white man older than Martin and Zimmerman combined.
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 19, 13 11:44 PM
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By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 21, 13 12:10 AM
At age 17 I knew what my rights were and wouldn't be bullied by some self-important wannabe cop who showed no respect to me. You know absolutely nothing about the immediate timeline of the physical encounter unless you have fallen for the scenario created by Zimmerman's defense team unsupported by facts, evidence or testimony at trial.
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 21, 13 12:10 AM
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Amen to that Erin. Excellent point and so obvious to any decent person of any color
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 19, 13 10:29 PM
I've read the answer to "why", and "whynot". Twice.


Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free
By Charles P. Pierce.
Doubleday, 293 pages.,

The pastor from Pennsylvania put it best. On the eve of a trial to determine the legality of a local school board’s decision to teach intelligent design alongside evolutionary theory, the Rev. Ray Mummert, a leader of the anti-Darwin brigade, made national headlines with a statement that cut straight ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 19, 13 11:41 PM
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Why did Travon think it was ok to stand his ground on private property? By the way Mr Z thanks for your stupid cut and paste.
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 20, 13 12:57 AM
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By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 20, 13 8:40 AM
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He did not stand his ground chief... He charged and tackled and did a M.M.A style ground and pound
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 20, 13 6:00 AM
hey phil-- do us all a favor-- go take a stroll through Bed Stuy , East New York, or Washington Hts some night (I'm sure you've never been to any of these fine neighborhoods) and when you get home (if you make it out alive) then get back behind your computer and tell us all about the nice young men you met on the streets. People like you who have never been to the dark side (nothing to do with race) and seen the underbelly of humanity will never understand what happenend on that night in florida ...more
By CaptainSig (495), Dutch Harbor on Jul 20, 13 6:42 AM
Nice try but Greenpoint is not East New York. I'm from Crooklyn also. My suggestion stands. And yes anyone with common sense would not walk these neighborhoods at night . By the way did you know that 97 % of shooting suspects in NYC are black ?? 97 % !!! I guess this makes me predjudiced somehow, but I'd rather take my chances with the other 3 %
By CaptainSig (495), Dutch Harbor on Jul 21, 13 7:27 AM
If Trayvon didn't attack George he wouldn't have been killed that night.FACT
If George had been black, this would not have been on the media's radar. FACT
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 20, 13 7:27 AM
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Dude, he was recorded PURSUING the suspect via a 911 call. Running and panting. Even after he was instructed by the operator to STOP, he was recorded running and panting for a full six to eight seconds and defying the order. The recording of the 911 call alone pegs your post as a complete fantasy. Here's a direct quote from the 911 call which speaks VOLUMES about Mr. Zimmerman's mindset that night:

"These a******s, they always get away."

~ George Zimmerman



Jul 20, 13 8:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
Less than two minutes after the end of that call, a shot had been fired. Logic would tend to dictate this man was hell bent on collaring an "a*****e". The only real witness to Martin's actions other than his conduct on the 911 call is dead. The witness who saw them on the ground was VERY "late to the party"...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 20, 13 8:43 AM
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It also bears mentioning that if you actually EVER looked at a map of the crime scene, Zimmerman PURSUED Trayvon Martin from the street to the grassy area between the buildings where he was shot and killed. They were easily 300 yards from Zimmerman's truck, "as the crow flies".

His body was not in the street. Most likely he was running for his father's house through the communal lawn area which has a sidewalk. He was murdered by a vigilante who got away with it. Get over it.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 20, 13 9:09 AM
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still thinking the same thing. if i was visiting a community not where i lived and it was dark, rainy and i was approached and asked who are you and what are you doing? i cant help but think my natural ans. would be "nothing sir, visiting my dad in building 14 and coming back from the 7 11 over there with some skittles and ice tea. have a nice night"



By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 20, 13 11:03 AM
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Ultimately Erin, it doesn't matter. It's a nice sentiment though. Had Zimmerman not pursued the suspect beyond his vehicle, or the street none of this would have happened. He was told by dispatch NOT TO PURSUE, yet he did anyway. When the 911 call ended, he was in the street, not the communal lawn area. He pursued the suspect beyond the corner of the building, headed toward a "cut through", in the grassy area between the condos. Zimmerman is ultimately responsible for the scenario, and had no ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 20, 13 11:38 AM
but it is you that miss the point. you said the key word "pursue". you cant pursue someone unless they run. and there was no reason to run other than arrogance or avoidance of being guilty, maybe he dropped some drugs along the way. i have seen pictures of what this "man boy" looked like for real.and the images and statements on his own face book page portray (no pun intended) a thuggish persona. so please think before you say the little boy was frightened. "nothing sir, visiting my dad in building ...more
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 20, 13 12:13 PM
You would be lying Z man if you said Erin is not making an excellent point. I have seen Travons current pictures as well. The ones the media disregard from day one. Goggle his face book page and comments, very disturbing. Seemed like this admitted drug user / dealer? Wanted people to see him as a racist intimidating gangsta. you and the shunned one are the only people defending this guy
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 20, 13 12:26 PM
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TCM, you should actually do some research.

I would start over at Snopes if I were you. Thankfully, I'm not...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 20, 13 4:09 PM
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Famed defense lawyer and Harvard law professor Alan M. Dershowitz is calling for a federal investigation into civil rights violations stemming from the George Zimmerman case — but he says the probe should focus on prosecutorial misconduct rather than on allegations of racial profiling and bias. Dershowitz said the jury’s finding that Zimmerman was not guilty of either second-degree murder or manslaughter was “the right verdict--there was reasonable doubt all over the place.”

“I ...more
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 21, 13 12:40 AM
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Fame does not necessarily denote logic, or relevance...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 21, 13 1:54 AM
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Was Trayvon Martin "innocent"?

Who among us is, I would ponder.

Regardles of "the law", had Mr. Zimmerman not pursued the defendant into the common area of the condo development, thereby disregarding the instructions of the 911 dispatcher, a licensed officer of the law would have handled the situation, not a self styled vigilante.

I'm out.
Jul 21, 13 3:03 AM appended by Mr. Z
If anyone can explain why there was a still a paper bag clutched in this young man's lifeless left hand, I'm sure the world would love to hear it...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 21, 13 3:03 AM
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"You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch.'”

― Edgar D. Mitchell
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 21, 13 3:52 AM
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While it's a true tragedy that Trayvon was killed, he starrted a fight with someone who was armed, game over. I find it disgusting that the race baiters both on the national scene and on this site want to make this incident about race, especially when Zimmerman had helped out minority kids and dated a black girl while in high school , hell, he's only half white! That should be enough to shut up the buffoons like Al "Bull Horn"Sharpton and the rest of the race baiting industry.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 21, 13 10:52 AM
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You do know that there was no evidence, no facts, no testimony at trial that indicated Martin started a fight or initiated any physical confrontation with Zimmerman, right? Or are you just basing your statements on the words of Zimmerman's lawyers?
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 22, 13 3:35 PM
You don't seem to comprehend testimony facts, or evidence. If a person is not on the witness stand subject to cross examination there is no testimony, therefore, no facts. Zimmerman's injuries only suggest he was involved in a scuffle, not who attacked whom to initiate it. The gunshot evidence does nothing to answer the question of who accosted whom.

For you and BF to continue to assert that it has been proven that Martin attacked Zimmerman is either an attempt to deceive or outright ...more
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 22, 13 5:36 PM
Alan West, Condaleeza Rice, Bill Cosby, Herman Cain, artin Luther King, all solid conservatives deserving of support due to their CONSERVATIVE stances on political issues. Classic liberal HATE speech there Champ, making it all about race.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 22, 13 6:06 AM
8 more days
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 22, 13 3:57 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 22, 13 5:25 PM
You left out some other fine Americans I would be proud to call my friends,

Dr Ben Carlson
Thomas Sowell
Martin Luther King, Sr. - Father of Martin Luther King, Jr
Booker T. Washington
Armstrong Williams
Tim Scott
Condoleezza Rice
Alphonso Jackson
Clarence Thomas
Jennifer Carroll
J. C. Watts
Lynn Swann
Michael Steele
Ken Blackwell
Niger Innis
The beautiful and articulate Mia Love
Edward J. Perkins
E.W. Jackson
Lieutenant ...more
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 22, 13 5:11 PM
<------- Pssst, don't do it Joe
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 22, 13 5:24 PM
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By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 22, 13 5:38 PM
joe someone asked you a few days ago ( i dont remember who ) "why do you hate anyone who supports blacks?

seems to me all the people on your list support blacks just not the kind of blacks they support.


By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 22, 13 5:48 PM
Erin here is the rest of the quote...
Since it is my belief we do not need civil rights activists like Al Sharpton in a country that elected a African American POTUS twice... I said...
The time for civil rights is OVER!
We are all just Americans now, good hard working Americans and the takers. Its time you ask yourself... Which are you? May 14, 13
Jul 22, 13 7:06 PM appended by joe hampton
The civil rights movement has done what it set out to do. It is time for the race baiter's to go away... programs like affirmative action are now guilty of the discrimination set out to fix.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 22, 13 7:06 PM
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not to worry i am not a stupid little girl. i pay very close attention to who says what around here and i already knew your quote was taken grossly out of context, and selectively edited by omitting something.

i have been reading these comments for 3 years and i can say with total assurance you are clearly not the raciest some would like to say you are. have a wonderful evening.
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 22, 13 7:15 PM
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By But I'm a blank! (991), Hampton Bays on Jul 22, 13 7:23 PM

What kind of person would stand up for Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white policeman in Sanford, FL in 2010. Anyone want to guess who was the one 'white' person who went to churches passing out flyers calling attention to a coverup? Anyone want to guess who went to public meetings and demanded that this black man deserved better? Do you know who spent tireless hours putting fliers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you ...more
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 22, 13 8:27 PM
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guilty until proven guilty, apparently
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 23, 13 12:31 AM
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The effort to paint George Zimmerman as a racist and to portray the Treyvon Martin killing as a race crime is a despicable witch hunt, the most disgraceful one that I can recall. Witch hunts usually rely on SOME evidence of their defamatory accusations but in the Zimmerman case there is NONE. Rather, the evidence shows precisely the opposite, to wit, that George Zimmerman is a conscientious, public-spirited and compassionate humanitarian whose behavior has always been racially blind. However, ...more
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Jul 23, 13 12:32 AM
The African Americans love to march when someone other than an AM kills someone in their community. Meanwhile 95 percent of blacks murdered in this country are committed by other Blacks. Why does Phil ignore that African Americans biggest enemies are themselves?
By chief1 (1709), southampton on Jul 23, 13 12:44 AM
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This exchange was the most anti American thing I have seen in quite some time,

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Andrew, are we going to be - being we Americans, you included - are we going to be the great, are we still going to use that word superpower? I don't even like it very much. The lone superpower. Are we going to be that 20 years from now?

ANDREW SULLIVAN: With any luck we won't be. We will understand what the founders understood. When you leave America and you go back and you look at it ...more
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 23, 13 1:08 AM
If MLK was alive today he would be labeled an Uncle Tom by the race baiting industry led by Bull Horn Sharpton and Jesse "Love Child" Jackson due to the fact that he would be opposed to the FREESTUFFERS!!! Being in opposition to liberal policies doesn't make one a racist. Demanding preferential treatment due to the color of a persons' skin or thinking that due to one's race one can't succeed without governmental intervention does make someone a racist. You have it completely upside down Champ, check ...more
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 23, 13 6:40 AM
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Poll: Obama’s job approval plunges
By David Lightman | McClatchy Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON — Stung by Americans’ persistent worries about the economy and a capital gripped by controversy and gridlock, Barack Obama is suffering his lowest job approval numbers in nearly two years, according to a new McClatchy-Marist

Jul 23, 13 8:14 AM appended by They call me
SHOCK POLL: SLIDE TO 41% and falling
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 23, 13 8:14 AM
TCM, Here is the reason why...

$16,873,515,837,202 and counting

Its a runaway train...
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 23, 13 8:33 AM
Meet 'Carlos Danger': Weiner Confesses More Sexting, Asks New Yorkers for 'Another Chance'

Toooo Funny
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 23, 13 11:48 PM
'Carlos Danger' lol
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 23, 13 11:50 PM
""Whitey Bulger" was already taken
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 25, 13 10:35 PM
I think Geraldo Rivera looks more like Carlos Danger than Weiner does.
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 23, 13 11:56 PM
Defund the economy killer called Obamacare!
BHOs approval rating is now at 41%. Stand up against this incompetent Socialist. The house has power of the purse. He may be the President, but in reality he is an immature, partisan, inexperienced politician, who was voted into office because of shady deals with unions bosses his skin color and the ability to give a good speech from a teleprompter. His campaign promises to minorities and gays and illegal aliens, combined with white liberal guilt put ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 24, 13 12:01 AM
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also saw that same poll and in regard to omamacare it has the country on the wrong track with a 64 % disapproval, I guess you could say

"now is the summer of our discontent"
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 24, 13 9:20 AM
to Undocumented Democrat:

Codswallop.

Adequate mewling and whining, but hardly first rate. Keep practicing, you will need this skill set for upcoming elections.
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Jul 24, 13 1:09 PM
And Congressional Republicans have a 22% approval rating according to Marist.

It would be interesting to know the size/nature of their sample that represents over 206 million registered voters...


7/23: Same Old, Same Old?

July 23, 2013 by Lee Miringoff
Filed under Featured, Lee Miringoff

The latest McClatchy-Marist national poll has nothing but bad news for President Obama and Congress. Surprising? Not really. It’s more of the same….only ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 10:31 PM
to Erin:

' ... 35% oppose the health care law because it's too liberal, with 16% saying they oppose the measure because it isn't liberal enough. Add that 16% to the 44% who say they favor the law and that means that six in ten either support the law or don't think it goes far enough. Or in other words, 60% are on the other side of the most vocal conservative critics of Obamacare." *

Your citation of a 64% disapproval rate is a figment of your imagination.

* CNN, May 30, ...more
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Jul 24, 13 10:15 AM
Not so fast Hat Head! I belive Erin is citing the marist poll.
also there is a straight up CBS poll with similar results floating around today. Think you owe the little lady an apology.
A CBS News poll released Tuesday backs up yesterday's poll that shows that the publics souring on ObamaCare continues to increase. A full 57% now want all or part of the president's signature achievement repealed, up from 48% last October.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 24, 13 4:40 PM
From the looks of the coming years rates not only in NY, but in OR as well prices are dropping.

Maybe two states with the same dynamic in their competitive exchange pricing is just coincidence. But probably not...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 10:47 PM
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Only a true FREESTUFFER could be in favor of Obamacare
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 24, 13 6:15 PM
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Wazzz up BF, Just had to share this with you its absolutely priceless don't you think !

"In a letter to the administration, Teamsters president James Hoffa and other union leaders wrote that Obamacare will “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members,” and “destroy the foundation of the 40-hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.” just toooo funny! lol

Obumacare has the progressives, running scared. The law is now having ...more
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 24, 13 6:57 PM
The current governor of New York is a "FREESTUFFER"?
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 7:49 PM
well this is very interesting i was just reading an article on the zimmerman trial and learned something new. i was wondering if all you smarties could look into this to see if it is really true.

Zimmerman Lawyer: Trayvon Had Recipe For "Poor Man's Ecstasy"
"If you do a Google Search for 'Purple Lean' or 'lean drink' or 'lean drank' it is sort of an urban kind of drug. It's known in some circles as poor man's ecstasy or something like that," George Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara told ...more
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 24, 13 7:53 PM
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Zimmerman:
"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 24, 13 8:34 PM
All the more reason he should have followed the rules, and never even have gotten out of his truck.



"Sanford Police Department civilian employee Wendy Dorival testified that she helped Zimmerman set up a neighborhood watch after a rash of crimes in his development. Under questioning by prosecutors, Dorival said watch volunteers were intended to be the “eyes and ears” of law enforcement and were instructed not to follow or confront anyone suspicious."
Jul 24, 13 10:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
The question is, did they find the codeine? Did some research, and that's the active ingredient in "lean", and it's not available over the counter. You either need a prescription for it, or a black market connection. Robitussin DM does not contain it, nor does Coricidin. What they do contain is dextromethorphan which in very high doses can cause hallucinogenic effects, and is referred to as "skittling", among other things. Dextromethorphan is illegal for sale to minors in California, and it should be everywhere else. There's your fact check for the day....
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 10:19 PM
nice work, wonder if it will make any difference to our resident potato head or Al sharptoon
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 24, 13 11:39 PM
It is disingenuous at best to claim you are quoting a print article without citing the source.

While discussing drug use on the night of Martin's death, perhaps you would care to address Zimmerman's use of Adderal and Temazepam, which can cause anxiety, aggression, and loss of memory among their side effects.
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 25, 13 1:30 AM
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By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 25, 13 1:30 AM
Mr Z Why you continue to villainize this good citizen is beyond reason even if you yourself are a black man you must see by now this guy was not like you or me he was up to no good.

A major theme of the case against George Zimmerman so far is that he unjustifiably and recklessly followed Trayvon Martin after seeing the teenager walking through his neighborhood and deeming him "suspicious." When Sean Noffke, the police dispatcher who took Zimmerman's call that night, testified on Monday, ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 24, 13 11:19 PM
It is irrelevant what type of "good citizen" he is. The man broke the rules of the neighborhood watch, and a teenager is dead.

Had he just stayed in his vehicle, the subject quite possibly would have been detained, possibly arrested, and maybe even be in a court mandated rehab. Those rules are in place for a reason, probably so a 29 year old man doesn't end up getting his *** kicked, or killed by someone he plays vigilante with like some "wanna be" cop.

No matter what you say, ...more
Jul 24, 13 11:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, please explain what is implied by the phrase "and were instructed not to follow or confront anyone suspicious". Pretty much sums up Zimmerman was dead wrong when he followed, and ended up in a confrontation.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 11:37 PM
Almost forgot.

As far as "eyes and ears" goes, that implies surveillance, not following or pursuit. Had he not scared Trayvon off by exiting his vehicle, and making his presence known to him, the confrontation would never have happened.

Looks like the wanna be copper sucked at surveilling someone.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 11:53 PM
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I guess as far as your concerned color trumps judgment
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 25, 13 1:25 AM
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By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 7:10 AM
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By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 25, 13 7:16 PM
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By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 25, 13 7:25 PM
Deleted? Really?

It would seem even an intelligent, yet somewhat sesquipedalian crack is fair game for the red pen.

If you think for one second color has ANYTHING to do with this, you are grossly, and sorely out of line.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 8:33 PM
And now, for something completely different, but a head scratcher nonetheless:


Big banks’ dangerous monopoly on life

By Harold Meyerson, Published: July 23

In 1909, as one of the scores of short pictures he turned out that year, D.W. Griffith directed “A Corner in Wheat,” a 14-minute film adaptation of a story by the populist antitrust novelist Frank Norris. In it, a Wall Street speculator buys up so much of America’s wheat and keeps it ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 12:05 AM
Good for them! Smart business move.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 25, 13 3:34 PM
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No, actually.

It used to be illegal as all holy blue blazes, and as unethical as insider trading. Actually, because the warehouses are owned by a subsidiary of Goldman-Sachs, it really is a form of insider trading considering they are probably betting on the futures via another subsidiary to turn a profit as well. That's why it was made illegal in 1933 by people a whole lot smarter, and informed than you. It's called "hoarding", and is a very primitive mammalian trait. It has also, ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 4:54 PM
And it used to be sexual harassment not sexual harrisment what ever the *&*# that is.

And as long as I am alive it still will be!
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 7:08 PM
oh and I hoard also, but only certain items
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 25, 13 7:09 PM
you know Dan, Like the way the gov. is hoarding the peoples ammo
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 25, 13 7:17 PM
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Pronunciation has two viable options:

[huh-ras-muhnt, har-uhs-muhnt]
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 8:36 PM
I agree with you UD...I think he has had enough so I have decided to let him come back into the sandbox a few days early. Now please Phil try and play nice with the others or we will just have to repeat the correction method again
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 25, 13 8:22 PM
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"You people"? Don't use that phrase towards anyone other-than-white! The old double-standard kicks in, and all hell breaks loose.
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 25, 13 11:47 PM
You people ??? wow
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 26, 13 12:57 AM
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phillip now that we can speak with you again, can't you see it does not matter to the people in this room what color your skin is, only what you stand for. for god sake you can t be that ignorant.

did you even see what joe posted a few lines up?

fine Americans I would be proud to call my friends,

Dr Ben Carlson
Thomas Sowell
Martin Luther King, Sr. - Father of Martin Luther King, Jr
Booker T. Washington
Armstrong Williams
Tim Scott
Condoleezza ...more
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 25, 13 11:30 PM
Don't believe it for a second TCM, it's just setting you up to say "see I control you people you followed me here" lol just troll like kinder games.lol So transparent is it!

besides we have breaking news -
As Predicted: National Media Only Picks Up Filner Story After Democratic Party Officially Asks for His Resignation
25 Jul 2013
Mind you, this story has been big for about two weeks. But they refused to cover it earlier-- doing so might have cast the party fighting the War ...more
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 26, 13 7:10 AM
The San Diego County Democratic Party Central Committee voted 34-6 Thursday night to ask the city's first Democratic mayor in 20 years to leave office.
The women who came forward Thursday are a retired Navy rear admiral, a dean at San Diego State University, the head of the San Diego Ports Tenants Association and a prominent businesswoman.
At least he has good taste in the women he chooses to harass.
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 26, 13 11:16 AM
Check out this report I just found on CNet:

"The federal government has demanded that major internet companies turn over users’ stored passwords", two sources told the respected tech website CNet.

So what exactly does this “escalation” — as CNet calls it — mean?

“If the government is able to determine a person’s password, which is typically stored in encrypted form, the credential could be used to log in to an account to peruse ...more
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 26, 13 10:51 AM
wow it truely is out of the closet now , very scary stuff
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 5:45 PM
Read the 1974 Privacy act, and you will begin to understand how much our government has overstepped its bounds.

The NSA datacenter in Utah alone has an exabyte (10^18) of storage capacity.
An exabyte would hold every phonecall, every text message, every email, every digital telecommunication within the US in a given year. It's quite clear where this is going.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 27, 13 5:54 PM
I wonder how long they intend to keep our private communications. I'd hate to have something I say privately in an email or phone call today come back to bite me in the butt 15 years later. Scarier is the fact that they may impersonate you. The implications are staggering. Watch, there will be a Utah-sized data center built every year so they don't have to delete anything.
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 28, 13 6:07 PM
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By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 28, 13 9:23 AM
Detroit: Republican "free market" Utopia.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 28, 13 8:21 PM
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Detroit is a perfect example of what happens when Demokratz run a city for a prolonged period of time. The FREESTUFFERS eventually outnumber the productive citizens and bankruptcy follows. No great surprise.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Jul 29, 13 6:21 AM
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amen to that
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 29, 13 8:34 AM
Detroit is a shining example of nepotism, fraud, and crime by their elected officials.

Don't let facts get in your way:

What was said: "Government employees and their overbearing unions have been on a decades-long crusade to defraud the taxpayer and unjustly enrich themselves. When everyday Americans are struggling to find job security and save for retirement with defined contribution plans, selfish and greedy public-sector unionists have unparalleled job security and retire with ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 29, 13 11:42 PM
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Reality: The average annual pension for retired Detroit police officers and firefighters is about $34,000, roughly half that of such pensions in Los Angeles and Chicago, 25% less than in Kansas City, Mo., and 36% below benefits for those in Dallas. Retirees from Detroit's general city pension fund receive, on average, less than $20,000 a year.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 30, 13 5:44 AM
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It was the unions. You have retired workers receiving benefits for themselves and spouses at a rate of 3-1 over the people that are working and producing the funds to pay for these benefits and pension obligations. There are 48 different employee unions in municipality and there will be no way for consensus to be reaching in bankruptcy. The irony of this is that the leadership is trying to fend off bankruptcy because it will be very unforgiving to the unions.
Jul 29, 13 6:35 AM appended by KevinLuss
Correction: "There are 48 different employee unions in (the) municipality and there will be no way for consensus to be reached in bankruptcy".
By KevinLuss (205), Detroit, Michigan on Jul 29, 13 6:35 AM
you got it right
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 29, 13 8:35 AM
Your trying to talk personal responsibility to takers again Cap. But I admire your persistence and determination in dealing with the mental Kobayashi Maru of the progressive mindset.

At this point I am willing to let it all go the hell just to say we told you so. Let them reap what they sow.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 29, 13 1:29 PM
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Joe you might want to check out a new book i just ordered,

The End Is Near and It’s Going to Be Awesome compellingly analyzes the government’s numerous failures and reports on the solutions that people all over the country are discovering. Between its covers, you will meet homeschoolers who have abandoned public schools; see inside private courtrooms that administer the law beyond government; encounter entrepreneurs developing everything from private currencies to shadow intelligence ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 29, 13 11:30 PM
This is a perfect example of the level it must reach before the progressives will turn on there own!
"Weiner Plummets to Fourth Place in New Poll"
Just think this fool was actually winning until he was proven this week to be a 3 time offender.
and he may still come back and win. really why bother debating...We are doomed as a society

By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Jul 29, 13 9:45 PM
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Doug Curlee, a San Diego reporter, admits in a Monday editorial that "San Diego news media reporters, editors, producers and writers pretty much knew who and what Bob Filner is and has been." But except for talking about it over drinks, "we did nothing about it." Worst of all, Curlee claims that the rumors around Filner were "incessant," but no one bothered to confirm them, choosing instead to accept denials, Same ol story Joe
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 29, 13 9:56 PM
Why does this surprise you guys the media turned the same blind eye to 20 plus bad associations and a photo shopped live birth cert. with Barack Hussein Obama II for the past 5 1/2 years
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 11:01 PM
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Even Snopes attests to the fact that the birth certificate is real.

Get the [expletive deleted] over it already.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 29, 13 11:13 PM
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Humma Weiner worries me more than her do-nothing hubby Whitey Bulger. She and her family ties the Muslim Brotherhood, while she was at the right hand of former Secretary of State and probable presidential candidate Hillary, seems far more unsettling than some on-line pervert. She may need to "stand by her man" in an effort to "keep her fingers on the pulse."
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 29, 13 11:47 PM
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'Chicago-Style' Fake Recall Underway to Keep Filthy Filner in Office?
by Elizabeth Sheld 29 Jul 2013, 11:02 AM PDT
Stampp Corbin, a close Filner ally and publisher of the LGBT weekly in San Diego, has filed a recall notice to recall Mayor Filthy Filner. Corbin was the first to mount a recall effort when he published a notice in the San Diego Union Tribune on Friday.
It will never stop these people have no morals!
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 29, 13 11:05 PM
I know you all are going to tell me that polls dont mean anything but i find this amazing
"Poll: 78 Percent of Young Women Approve of Weiner"
welcome to the stupid generation. they probably love perverts and rapists as well. all these years of women's lib and all we've got to show for it is a cohort of females with zero pride, zero self-respect and zero maturity? nice to know the results of women's lib are as good as the results of all the other leftist programs: utter failure.
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 29, 13 11:18 PM
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I would hope that at LEAST 78 percent of women approve of...
oh, never mind
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 30, 13 12:01 AM
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I would submit that we don't have a "stupid generation" but stupid posters who take a factoid and repeat it without understanding it if it suits their fantasy. The poll is meaningless without its context. Would you be surprised to know, Erin that the poll was taken of members of a website that is used to arrange "sugar daddy" type relationships between young single women and older, wealthy men? Or was it just too good a headline to read any further?

For the Captain - I'd really like ...more
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 30, 13 2:31 PM
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Have you broken your vow of silence?
By PBR (4490), Southampton on Jul 30, 13 3:49 PM
What about Ashin Wirathu on the cover of Time? Or maybe Rudy Giuliani on the cover of The American Conservative?

The story, and the cover were about a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

Or, more accurately "terrorist in a brown paper bag", not glorification. It's only in a demented part of society that one would not read the story, and critique the cover image.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 30, 13 8:12 PM
Who are these misguided people who have come to see him as a rock star? While you have stated this twice, the only one who seems to have succumbed to idol worship is you. Simply making that statement without reference to examples is giving the attention that you decry. Were you as quick to leap to conclusions when Manson was featured?
By VOS (721), WHB on Jul 30, 13 8:17 PM
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I saw the story, it is from May, long before Rolling Stone released their cover story. The Post article is brief and quotes a handful of mindless sixteen year olds, who no doubt knew nothing of the preparations and actions of the Tsarnaevs. Congratulations, you have firmly planted yourself among them; it is your actions that deign him with the approbation you continue to whine about.
By VOS (721), WHB on Aug 1, 13 10:48 PM
Weiner, Spitzer, Filner, Sanford, et al remain relevant because they are amusing. Tabloid politics trumps honesty, integrity or qualifications. Inevitably, We the People will foot the bill for their mismanagement of government and unethical behavior. Weiner is still up to the same cr@p that caused him to resign. The Wall Street Journal says Weiner's lack of real remorse is characteristic of a sociopath. If these degenerates get elected, we all pay.
By loading... (360), quiogue on Jul 30, 13 5:15 PM
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Carlos Danger never "pulls out"
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 30, 13 7:38 PM
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And now, just a little change in direction. But, a valuable one at that...


CEO Pay Increased 127 Times Faster Than Worker Compensation Over Last 30 Years: Study

By Ashley Portero, International Business Times


American chief executives saw their overall compensation increase by 15 percent in 2011, part of a larger trend that has seen CEO pay skyrocket at a rate 127 times faster than worker pay in the past three decades.





Chief executive ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 30, 13 8:35 PM
MSNBC Collapses to Fourth Place: Loses 12% of Viewers

This year's bad news for MSNBC has only gotten worse. The "Lean Forward" network has struggled in the ratings since the Boston Marathon bombings exposed the network's glaring weakness when it comes to news gathering. MSNBC had hoped to turn that around by going all-in on with the Zimmerman, but it didn't. Compared to last year in July, MSNBC was down -12% in total viewers and -4% in the 25-54 demo.
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 30, 13 9:38 PM
I love the irony that little Wieners antics are having Hilary's image
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 30, 13 9:40 PM
Al Jazeera , ROTFLMFAO
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 6:38 AM
women needed huma and hillary to stand up and declare that anthony and bill's sex scandals were inappropriate instead of justifying them!

huma and hillary have set a poor example to other women! women deserve better than this!
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 31, 13 6:49 AM
And, men like this out there should have far more respect not only for themselves, but for their wives. You made a vow when you stood and said "I do". If/when you have nothing left, naked and penniless in this world, the one thing it hopefully can't take away from you is your word. Remember "honor and cherish"?

Apparently not...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Jul 31, 13 7:10 AM
phil, I am confused. Could you please indicate who is still on your DNR (Do Not Reply) list? Thank you.
By PBR (4490), Southampton on Jul 31, 13 8:48 AM
choose murder of Innocent baby's, no that is evil and self centered, take it from someone who made that mistake, now if you will excuse me i must go and cry for a few hours,thank you once again for being so cold hearted. i was 17 and new it was wrong all along should have listened to my conscience instead of self centered family members. what in gods name is your reason. you must not like what you see in the mirror when no one else is around.
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Jul 31, 13 8:51 AM
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By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 31, 13 11:54 AM
Joe the Shunning thing was a classic i will never forget,

And the effects are obviously still lingering,"Only brain dead morons adopt the policy of "shunning" someone on a message board.
That's an act of idiocy."

Just almost fell out of my chair when I read that!
By They call me (1276), southampton on Jul 31, 13 11:53 AM
almost as good as your avatar game, lol
Jul 31, 13 11:58 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
you are the original shape shifting pixel master
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Jul 31, 13 11:58 AM
Go back and read the first paragraph of the article.

"Current immigration law splinters families like theirs"

So Mrs. Garrison I respectfully must ask...

It would appear to me you believe it is our laws that have splintered there lives? When in reality was it not the illegals fault when they knowingly abandoned there family's and broke our laws for monetary gain?


Aug 1, 13 6:46 PM appended by joe hampton
... Mrs Garrison ? could someone try and locate Mrs Garrison she seems to have left the building.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 1, 13 6:46 PM
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joe, for your next vacation may I recommend lovely, deepest Honduras. If you make it back alive, feel free to post about the drug runners, lawlessness, and anarchy.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the world's highest homicide rate just as much as the locals...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 3, 13 12:29 AM
Why would you think I would enjoy such a place?
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 3, 13 4:40 PM
I doubt Captain or Joe would like it either who said anything about liking a lawless place like that
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 3, 13 4:43 PM
Because it's in Central America, you dolt.

Y'know, that place in the world where a multitude of illegal immigrants come from, because it's all about the money, right?
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 4, 13 12:18 AM
Nice point
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 4, 13 1:18 PM
And as usual, the point was missed completely...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 4, 13 3:14 PM
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To the illegal from Ecuador, like the illegal from Guatemala, who said Spanish families in particular are close... Really sir ? Is that so? Let me tell you something friend...I would not leave my family for 13 yrs and go work in Canada even for $ 650.00 per hr.. I say your full of it... and to the "advocates" who say there new law would “reunify” I say there is another way to reunify ... Go Home!
Aug 1, 13 7:04 PM appended by joe hampton
Now i must take a hot shower after my 14 1/2 hour day so I can get back up again by 5 AM to beat the Conga line in my quest to try to make the "Hampton's" special enough for the arrival of Bill & Hill of Next week.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 1, 13 7:04 PM
Closure Of County Road 39 Frustrates Business Owners, WorkersThe prolonged closure of County Road 39 in Southampton last Thursday morning—investigators had all four lanes shut down for nearly NINE hours

In the five years since a $18 million project to widen the western end of the highway to four lanes was completed, the once chronic backups that stretched for miles had largely vanished—until this spring. By late April, brake lights once again lit up the early morning twilight ...more
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 2, 13 7:20 AM
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Bitch, bitch, bitch...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 5, 13 8:43 PM
Totally out of line.

Me, not so much...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 5, 13 9:23 PM
4 more months and I trade in 27 East for the peaceful heaven of 95 South ( at 80 MPH all the way after Baltimore ) 90 days of hospitality and neighbor's who think straight and say good morning... 90 days of peace and stress free living... surrounded by good friends... Golf all day then entertain buy the pool in the evenings.... A responsible Union free atmosphere where the police are happy to protect and serve instead of harass and collect... All the very beautiful and witty women who are not afraid ...more
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 2, 13 9:22 AM
Florida?

You mean the state who just screwed electric ratepayers in Tallahassee by paying for a nuclear power plant in advance which will never be completed by Duke Energy?

Yeah, it's a free market paradise...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 2, 13 6:37 PM
LILCO
also
did
that
By CaptainSig (495), Dutch Harbor on Aug 4, 13 7:13 AM
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LILCO and LIPA are pikers compared to Duke Energy in our winter home in Fla. I'm sorry to learn y'all don't get proper greetings there in SH. Could be maybe YOU do not give out a cheery good morning when I greet you as I go into Golden Pear or to Tate's in the am? Of course, you don't know me as I am so obviously a townie as the summer people call us.
By summertime (546), summerfield fl on Aug 4, 13 4:31 PM
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No Mrs.Garrison Joe , Just crickets
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 2, 13 5:58 PM
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By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 2, 13 5:58 PM
Huh Mrs Garrison ???
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 5, 13 5:46 PM
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By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 5, 13 7:37 PM
Wy is that ... I asked some very relevant questions that I would say were matter of factually ignored. Why the name calling
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 5, 13 11:25 PM
I would say you touched a nerve when you said,

So Mrs. Garrison I respectfully must ask...

It would appear to me you believe it is our laws that have splintered there lives? When in reality was it not the illegals fault when they knowingly abandoned there family's and broke our laws for monetary gain?

To the illegal from Ecuador, like the illegal from Guatemala, who said Spanish families in particular are close... Really sir ? Is that so? Let me tell you something friend...I ...more
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 6, 13 12:08 AM
Yes, I alway expect more from Mr. Z ...He comes here wearing all this crome speaking in Latin and wanting to impress than I ask a few simple questions all on topic and all of a sudden it's like speaking with someone from the hood.

And French Z spoke full fair and fetisly
After the school of Stratford atte Bowe,
For French of Paris was to him unknowe.
Yet Ja*k*** was acceptable go figure?

By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 6, 13 11:05 AM
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I guess he will know what that means, lol
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 6, 13 5:27 PM
You did ask Garrison just a few simple questions all on topic, and they all went un answered, to me that says you made your points well and I personally thought you raised some bullet proof remarks. It only took like 500 comments into the thread to get you to spit them out. but never the less you nailed it.
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 6, 13 5:34 PM
Tit for tat,
This for that,
Like a little cat,
You can't handle getting whacked with a bat...

If you can't take the heat,
get out of the kitchen,
And, quit your b*****n'...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 7, 13 4:46 AM
It starts at the top. The President and the Attorney General have both behaved in a rogue lawless manner from day one. The President has broken the law and flipped the bird to the courts (unconstitutional NRLB appointment, among other things).The Attorney General has suppressed the enforcement of election law (see the Philly NBP case, J. Christian Adams). Both have conspired to illegally transfer firearms across the Mexican border. And this is just scratching the surface.

By kowtowing to ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 6, 13 11:55 PM
So, remind us again where were you when it was Bush, and Cheney?

Halliburton?

Iraq?

WMDs?

Yeah, that's what we thought...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 7, 13 4:50 AM
I am certain Mr Z and the Pilth are the same person
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 7, 13 10:10 AM
You did make great points Joe and they gave you back nursery rhymes and silence
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 7, 13 10:12 AM
It is quite ok TCM... I do not need validation from the peanut gallery.

I will take the lack of response as the most telling one.

When you can silence the wizard of Z and toto ... even for one evening... It is worth having a cocktail.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 7, 13 10:36 AM
Riiiiight.

"It" doesn't start at the top.

It's all about who's closest to the printing press...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 7, 13 7:11 PM
to They call me:

Your post beginning, "It starts at the top.", is utterly surreal unless one prefaces it with, "Once upon a time ..."
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Aug 7, 13 11:50 AM
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ask yourself a question who is obstructionistic by nature? occupy of the tea party
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 8, 13 7:50 AM
Yes
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 8, 13 2:58 PM
Captn called a new time out for Phil and I second the motion, Pass the word, Only Cap can undo it
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 8, 13 3:07 PM
Count me In
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 8, 13 3:22 PM
The absence of any presidential behavior to criticize has driven the Ankle-Biters to hysteria. Now they are whining that President Obama appeared on the Tonight Show and, not only that[!], doesn't, they claim, know that Charleston is an Atlantic port.

Please stop. Your behavior is acutely embarrassing even to those who merely observe it.
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Aug 8, 13 4:42 PM
"W was crucified by the left and the media for alot less."

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever you've been smoking, QUIT.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 8, 13 8:25 PM
I think what was said was it was not the proper venue to talk about national security.
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Aug 8, 13 7:33 PM
and it is a lot of responsibility with the troll thing but you have the power and we are behind you, lol
By Erin 27 E (403), southampton on Aug 8, 13 7:35 PM
Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna, United Health Group, and Humana have all decided against participating in ObamaCare health insurance exchanges. The exchanges, which are scheduled to begin operation on October 1st, will be the only place Americans can purchase health insurance
According to ObamaCare's individual mandate, ALL! Americans are required to purchase a government-approved health insurance plan.
Aug 8, 13 7:43 PM appended by They call me
I repeat All! Americans Now get out those check books!
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 8, 13 7:43 PM
The Progressives own Obamacare 100%. When the realities of Obamacare start sinking in the anger and rage of American workers will be off the charts. Democrats will get slaughtered at the 2014 midterms for what they have done.
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 8, 13 7:49 PM
Right-wing propaganda masquerading as news, again:

Those named insurers will withdraw from a few states wherein they don't expect to make as much money as they would like (and where, at least in the case of Aetna and United in California, their presence in individual health insurance is negligible.) They will still plant their trotters firmly in the trough in all the other states. Moreover, there will still be plenty of insurers to choose from in the states they leave.


Nevertheless, ...more
By highhatsize (2467), East Quogue on Aug 8, 13 10:04 PM
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During the last champaign your boy promised not to circumvent congress" with executive pronouncements . Yet he has used signing statements and he has taken executive actions to circumvent Congress on immigration and other issues. Recently, he decided the employer mandate will not be enforced on October 1. Yet that date is stipulated by law. Doesn't the Obamacare delay violate the Potus powers under the Constitution?
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 9, 13 9:49 AM
A Conservative think tank came up with "Intelligent Design".

It's no wonder we rank so horribly in education worldwide with sub-morons like that in charge of anything.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 8, 13 7:44 PM
I see Gnat boy has angered the whole dam place again in my absence... to funny
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 8, 13 7:50 PM
Apparently voter fraud is a problem for this member of the GOP:

Jailed: GOP candidate hit with jail time for voter fraud

August 9, 2013


A Republican candidate who ran for a Massachusetts state House seat in 2012 has been sentenced to a year in jail after he plead guilty to voter fraud.

During the 2012 election, Jack Villamaino ran in the Republican primary for a state House seat in Massachusetts. Villamaino resigned last year as the scandal broke during ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 9, 13 7:38 PM
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Alec Baldwin Joins MSNBC Friday Primetime Lineup
Mediaite reported that actor Alec Baldwin will be joining the MSNBC primetime lineup every Friday night at 10 PM ET.

Lolhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Cant wait to watch this crack up OMG this is going to be good!
By 27dan (1270), Southampton on Aug 9, 13 9:35 AM
Libertarians in the model of "Citizen Koch".

Totally the opposite of what the United States was founded to become...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 9, 13 7:13 PM
How about the first black President rallying to the cause
of a defenseless 13 year old white kid? Why hasn't Obama mentioned this Black-on-White Hate-Crime caught on video? Why no condemnation of these 3 vicious Black kids (Lloyd Khemradj, Joshua Reddin, Julian McKnight) - 15 year old drug dealers - who pummeled and stomped the living daylights out of a 13 year old white kid on a school bus, (the black bus driver did nothing)? Has 0prah spoken out about this race-based Hate-Crime? Where’s ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 9, 13 9:33 PM
The white kid in this case wasn't killed, "just" assaulted. The black kids were arrested for assault, just as Trayvon would have been had he lived. Race was determined not to be a factor in both cases, we shouldn't expect to see the race merchants in either case, but as we know, that wasn't the case either.
By Mr. Snerdley (165), Southampton on Aug 10, 13 7:06 PM
It's like groundhog day Fog...Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong, well, except for as we know bashing Zimmerman's skull against the concrete and pummeling him in the face. How did the SYG defense work out for Trayvon?? He f'd up not considering the possibility that Zimmerman may have been armed, and it is for the same reason that I would suggest that Zimmerman did not initiate physical contact first. He realized the possibility Trayzon could be armed.
By Mr. Snerdley (165), Southampton on Aug 10, 13 8:03 PM
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I think Erin nailed it a few weeks back when she said, dan, been thinking about this very hard and cant get past one thing. if i was visiting a community not where i lived and it was dark, rainy and i was approached and asked who are you and what are you doing? i cant help but think my natural ans. would be "nothing sir, visiting my dad in building 14 and coming back from the 7 11 over there with some skittles and ice tea. have a nice night"

By Erin 27 E, Nice point and I never forgot ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 10, 13 11:14 PM
Bravo CNNs Don Lemon for finalaly being honest when he said "Black folks, you cannot say that you own no part in the ills that plague our communities beyond discrimination, and beyond profiling, more lives are being snuffed out daily in our communities when our kids are shooting each other. So tonight, no more excuses. I suggested five things some of the black community could use to fix some of our own problems. Dress appropriately. Stop using the "n" word. Respect where you live. Finish school. ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 12, 13 3:44 AM
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Excellent post! If the black community would follow those oh so simple rules of civilized society things would be much better for them!
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Aug 12, 13 6:39 AM
Last week we learned that dozens of CIA personnel were in Benghazi at the time of the attack... and that there may be ongoing efforts to suppress information about what actually happened.

In October 2012, obama said that he issued three directives when he learned of the attack, yet these have never been seen ???

What did he actually do during the Benghazi attack, and why wasn't he more actively involved ?

By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 13, 13 8:00 AM
I posted about it being a CIA op months ago.

You're a bit late to the party...


How Can We Understand Benghazi Without Probing the CIA's Role?

The attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens targeted a CIA operation, not a 'diplomatic post.'
By Mr. Z (4788), North Sea on May 15, 13 6:06 AM
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 14, 13 3:22 AM
I'm suggesting that if the "black community" adhered to the rules of civilized society instead of allowing their kids to be killing each other and having numerous children out of wedlock with multiple men, or women and standing up the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's who tell them that it's ok to act that way and the white man made them do it, things would be better for them.
By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Aug 14, 13 6:38 AM
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By bigfresh (1603), north sea on Aug 14, 13 6:38 AM
Z... obama has openly criticized the U.S. military on the issue of sexual assault. In the 2012 campaign, he was very involved in specific controversies, (Sandra Fluke) for example. Yet he has refused to say anything about the conduct of a fellow Dem. Mayor "Fillty" Bob Filner, who refuses to resign. Is he not setting a bad example on sexual assault, as commander-in-chief, in the Filner case?
By joe hampton (2090), south hampton on Aug 15, 13 11:16 AM
Obama has no reason to involve himself, nor has any "assault" on Filner's part been brought to light. Harassment, yes, but sexual assault has not been alleged. Leave it to one of the alarmist kooks to malign someone with their crappy vocabulary.

The People will oust him with a recall vote without the POTUS interfering. That's called good management, joe. Allowing people to fail when it is necessary, without input and let the system work. Shame we didn't act the same with Wall Street, ...more
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 19, 13 3:31 PM
The progressives goals are not to strive for excellence, their goal is to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator... They refer to it as "fairness".Their idea of social equality is everyone is equally miserable.It's the union way, breeding mediocrity since the 1880's If you are not dependent on them, they consider you an enemy.
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 19, 13 2:01 AM
That has to be one of the most ignorant, idiotic things I have read in a LONG time.

Everyone here who reads that will be dumber for even having glanced at it.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 19, 13 4:53 AM
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Looks like you awakened Z@home, I know what you were trying to say TCM,

I also grow tired of hearing about Ira Renert and the Koch Brothers. Leave it alone already, Why is there so much envy on this site, it does feel just like a union meeting sometimes.
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 19, 13 8:47 AM
Personally, I envy no self aggrandized, libertarian control freak regardless of name.

I actually pity one who had everything in their lives most people have to sacrifice to have proffered for the taking. I'd never want to be them. Ever.
Aug 19, 13 3:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
In fact, I must add it sounds like you've been absorbing far too much libertarian propaganda.
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 19, 13 3:03 PM
CRUZ RELEASES BIRTH CERT

Why didnt Cruz didn't delay for months and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in deflection, delays, and distraction before releasing his ?
By Undocumented Democrat (891), southampton on Aug 19, 13 8:53 AM
I figure they sat on the birth certificate so that the idiots who wanted it so badly would burn themselves.

Fancy that, they did...
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 20, 13 6:09 PM
Whassa' matta'?

Too much "bungle in the Jungle"?
By Mr. Z (7118), North Sea on Aug 19, 13 11:54 PM
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin blasted President Barack Obama on Sunday for having a "gay old time" while hell is breaking loose in Egypt.
“It’s sad for America,” Palin told Todd Starnes of Fox News. “Literally all hell seems to be breaking loose and President Obama is in Martha’s Vineyard having a gay old time, riding his bike, partying it up.”

Palin called Obama a "dithering president" and called for an end to "all funding for Egypt" until "there ...more
By They call me (1276), southampton on Aug 20, 13 12:06 AM
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