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Mar 28, 2012 9:24 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Altschuler Challenges Bishop To Debate On Health Care

Mar 28, 2012 11:00 AM

Republican Randy Altschuler, who is vying for U.S. Representative Tim Bishop’s seat this November, challenged the incumbent to a debate on the national health care plan next month—but the Democratic congressman won’t take the bait until and unless Mr. Altschuler wins a primary election against Republican contender George Demos in June.

On Monday, Mr. Altschuler penned a letter to Mr. Bishop’s Farmingville headquarters criticizing the congressman’s recent “flip-flopping” vote on the creation of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a tenet of the Affordable Care Act that some label “Obamacare,” which was approved nearly two years ago. Mr. Bishop voted for the Affordable Care Act that created the board two years ago, but then cosponsored a bill that would have repealed it last year, and then voted against repealing it on March 22, Mr. Altschuler charged in the statement.

The challenge came this week just as the U.S. Supreme Court was debating the constitutionality of the federal health care act.

The advisory board would be a 15-member group including doctors, consumers and patient advocates who would make recommendations to Congress on Medicare, beginning in 2015, if Medicare’s projected spending growth per beneficiary exceeds a specified target, according to a fact sheet from U.S. House of Representatives Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s office. If the Medicare targets aren’t reached and Congress fails to pass its own proposals, the board’s proposals would go into effect.

“Given our very divergent views on Obamacare and its impact on the people of Suffolk County and the nation, I am hopeful that Congressman Bishop will agree to defend his support of Obamacare in a joint public forum with me next month,” Mr. Altschuler stated in a press release he sent out this week with a copy of the letter to Mr. Bishop. “Suffolk County residents deserve an opportunity to hear the substantive differences we have on this issue, and to judge for themselves who they agree with.”

Mr. Altschuler also claimed that a special interest group supporting Mr. Bishop mailed “dishonest propaganda” to his constituents claiming he would vote to repeal his support of the advisory board, but instead voted to keep it. The mailer, according to a copy provided by Mr. Altschuler’s spokeswoman, Diana Weir, was paid for by the American Life Sciences Innovation Council, based in Washington, D.C. Oliver Longwell, Mr. Bishop’s spokesman, said the congressman didn’t have any ties to the group.

Mr. Longwell said Mr. Bishop supports repealing the advisory board, but voted against it on March 22 because the House Republican majority tied it to a controversial bill on Medicare malpractice.

“He voted against a bill that for some reason put IPAB together with legislation that would really limit the ability of people who are the victims of medical malpractice to be appropriately compensated for their pain and suffering,” Mr. Longwell said.

As for Mr. Altschuler’s request for a debate, Mr. Longwell called it a “gimmick” and “stunt.”

“Tim looks forward, as he always does, to debating his opponents. But he’s not going to have an opponent until the Republican Party has its primary in June,” he said. “After that primary, we look forward to having a nonpartisan debate with the League of Women Voters or some other impartial moderator and probably other TV debates.”

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Go away, outsourcer
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Mar 28, 12 12:40 PM
Altschuler is contemptuous of the intelligence of his would-be constituents. We all know that federal legislators tack on offensive amendments to otherwise laudable bills in the hope of passing them piggy-back. Hence the supposed "flip-flop".
By highhatsize (4125), East Quogue on Mar 28, 12 1:18 PM
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How about Altschuler has a debate with the Americans who's jobs he shipped to Pakistan and India. I would love to hear him rationalize the intentional destruction of thousands of American jobs and the live's of those who lost their jobs.

The "Obamacare" issue is a distraction. A plurality of Americans say they we should keep it or expand it. The republicans, including Randy, our completely out of touch with the American public. Take your ill-gotten money and go back to Jersey.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Mar 28, 12 1:51 PM
Reaility First dont be so quick to buy what she is selling here are the real poll numbers for the last 12 days
Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose
Poll Date 2/14 to 3/26
RCP Average Favor Repeal 51.7 Oppose Repeal 40.7
Rasmussen Reports Favor Repeal 56 Oppose Repeal 39
Gallup** Favor Repeal 47 Oppose Repeal 44
Quinnipiac Favor Repeal 59 Oppose Repeal 39
By joe hampton (3383), south hampton on Mar 29, 12 10:02 AM
Sorry progressnow, but we're still a democracy, and the only "poll" that matters is the one that takes place a the voting booth. The people gave you a taste of what they thought of your hard left politics in November 2010, and it's obvious you have no idea what's about to happen to you this November.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 2:07 PM
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In November you are going to have a "Taste" of the same. The teaparty is over. Obama will be re-elected, dems will hold the senate and probably take the house and then you can bang your head against the wall for another four years.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Mar 28, 12 2:28 PM
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I look forward to shoving these words right down your throat.

By the way, any comment on the head of Obama's job council, major doner, and good buddy Immelt? Has anyone outsourced more jobs than he has?

No, of course not, you're outrage is quite selective and self serving, isn't it?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 3:00 PM
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Go ahead, take your time looking for a MoveOn.org or Huffington Post approved retort to how the man who is likely the single largest outsourcer in American history is at the heart of the Obama administration, particularly in light of how offensive you find outsourcing.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 3:21 PM
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Do you really think that kind of violent threat to a woman, or any human being is appropriate? Or is that simply par for the course for someone with your background? Nothing you say to anyone has any credibility because of the extreme, violent, and hateful nature of your rants.

Progress now, what you said us entirely true and realityfirsts responded as he did because he knows it as well.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Mar 28, 12 3:27 PM
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Violent threat towards a woman? You are really desperate to run interference to a very uncomfortable question aren't you?

"I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Barack Obama, the anti-bully President, addressing Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN)

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 3:36 PM
Hahahahahahaha. Zero will be gone, gone gone.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 12 8:53 PM
You're the one who offered to "shove these words right down your throat" while speaking to a woman. What kind of behavior is that? If you said that in public you might have a major problem on your hands. Is your real name Rush?
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Mar 28, 12 10:01 PM
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you know it boo, lol
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Mar 30, 12 9:00 AM
Lets not forget all the "GE" jobs outsourced. Why hasen"t Bishop criticized his buddy Obama on that, oh were not supposed to know about Democratic outsourcing....hipocrites!
By The Squirl (36), Red creek on Mar 28, 12 2:41 PM
Libs are such hypocrites. I love the libs calling Randy an outsourcer when the biggest outsourcer is in the white house. Difference between Randy and Obama is Obama uses tax payer stimulus money to outsource jobs.

Debating the health care reform bill is laughable seeing its about to be thrown out due to the fact its illegal and nothing more than a big money grab. How much money did the GVT spend on lawyers and ads promotong that winner!
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Mar 28, 12 2:49 PM
Oh please. Classic Freudian transference
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Mar 28, 12 3:29 PM
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Why can't you address the issue? Why is Immelt's outsourcing acceptable to you?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 3:39 PM
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The fact that insurance companies didn't oppose the bill, and their stocks nearly doubled in value after it's (barely) passage seems to be lost on the liberal geniouses here.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 4:01 PM
Let's face it, all politicians are hypocrites.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 12 8:55 PM
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Bills pass Congress with votes by those members who agree with the legislation.

After that, it goes to "Conference", and often is not the same bill that passed Congress.

Great system, eh?
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 28, 12 3:10 PM
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RealtyFirst, please. Your dig at progressnow for not "addressing[ing] the issue" is laughable. The subject of this story is Randy Altschuler and progressnow voiced her objection to his role in outsourcing jobs. Your response is to point out that an advisor to the President, again, an ADVISOR to the President, also outsourced jobs. Talk about dodging the issue. Let's get back to Altschuler, is his outsourcing acceptable to you?
By Good Ground (24), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 12 4:23 PM
I don't like outsourcing of our high skilled jobs to foreign countries. The economic reality is that no single company can stay in business if forced to compete with other companies that are allowed to access cheap labor. On a macroeconomic level, in a free market, it's actually not a bad thing for low skilled tasks to be sent to low wage markets, freeing up your own workforce to engage in more value added work.

Simple printing press operation will either be automated or sent to low skill ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 4:36 PM
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By the way, I don't normally put this degree of effort into a post becuase it's unlikely anyone here is ever going to give any ground regardless of the merit of the argument, and, ultimately, outside of the very few people who read and post here, no one cares, and we're not going to have any impact on anything.

Anyone who thinks they're making any sort of difference here is fooling themselves. This is just an outlet for catharsis, as evidenced by the overall "quality" of the discourse.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 28, 12 4:43 PM
RF, if you expect libs to reflect without prejudice then you might as well wait for elephants to fly. For the life of my I'll never understand why people judge so harshly one side, and are so willing to accept the horrendous failures of another. Probably some comfort in having a gang to hang with. Seems rather silly to me. Or dangerous and expensive. Maybe all of the above.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 29, 12 9:34 PM
A. I'm not a Republican, I'm an Independent
B. Remember when you accused someone of not staying on topic?
C. You proved my point.
D. Your bravery on a message board is humorous, Sir Phil.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 5:55 AM
Phil, a bit of information on the clandestine alteration of an act of Congress (1936 CEA) for you:

This system [commodities market] functioned more or less perfectly for about fifty years. It was tightly regulated by the government, which recognized that the influence of speculators had to be watched carefully. If speculators were allowed to buy up the whole corn crop, or even a big percentage of it, for instance, they could easily manipulate the price. So the government set up position ...more
Mar 30, 12 5:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
Source: Griftopia
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 30, 12 5:32 PM
End the gas speculating. It's hurting us all and the economy. According to Sen. Bernie Sanders gas speculation adds 7.50 per fill up of a small car and 15.00 on an SUV.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 1, 12 2:18 PM
IBM is outsoursing high end jobs to India. They are forcing their engineers to train the new workers. If they don't they are immediately fired. If they train them they still get fired but with severance pay and minor perks. Tough,dismal choice.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 3, 12 6:27 PM
Could we outsource SHTGOV, Congress & the Senate? People in India would probably do a much better job than these fools. It would also cost us a lot less in taxes. Worst case - could we send our elected officials to offices in India? We might not get quality work, but we would still see the savings on our taxes.
By G (336), Southampton on Mar 28, 12 6:23 PM
Outsourcing started under Clinton and it was approved by many union leaders. They said at the time it wouldn't cost any US jobs. Now, businessmen who participated in the outsourcing are being demonized. Clearly the Democrats and union officials are to blame for its implementation. Bishop voted for ObamaCare which most of us did not want. He will never have my vote because of this.
By crusader (391), East Quogue on Mar 28, 12 8:48 PM
As reported by ABC news 79% of all green jobs spending in the 800 billion dollar spending package went to foreign companies. Chuck Schumer went on to scold the White house for misdirecting tax payer money earmarked to create american jobs to other countries. He specifically mentioned that the Obama administration outsourced money to China to build wind turbines
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Mar 28, 12 9:02 PM
Capitalism in acton, baby!

Lowest bid wins the work. Maybe if too many Americans weren't far too greedy, we could win the bidding war.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 28, 12 9:19 PM
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Its not greed, well it sort of is greed, but not like you are meaning. The greed you refer to is the taxation, the outrageous minimum wages, the fees to conduct business and the overall nanny state in which US concerns operate that account for the significant portion of the costs of doing business. We are competing against countries whereby they support their heritage and possess civic pride surrounding their homeland companies. So they support them and create environments where they can compete ...more
By Steve H (4), Southampton on Mar 30, 12 6:44 AM
So the solution is to offer universal healthcare to the Chinese labor force. I see the connection now. BTW - have you seen all the nets around the NYC buildings?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 10:06 AM
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By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 30, 12 6:26 PM
True again ZZZ. It's time the UNIONS back off on their unrealistic demands and allow businesses to compete with the rest of the world.
I would love to see Randy debate L'il Tim on Obamacare. That would be the end of Bishop. How can anyone defend giving up our liberty to the government when it comes to a crucial part of our lives?
Combine that with the probable outcome of the whole Obamacare scam being illegal and it spells the end of the Deomkrat control of the white house and possibly ...more
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Mar 29, 12 7:47 AM
It's not just the unions. Though they are guilty, you must also look at whose "take all you can, give nothin' back" behavior they emulate. In other words, look at the people above them.

In my father's day, the ratio of "average" worker to CEO was a multiplier of about 50x. These days, it's easliy 400x.

There is plenty of blame to go around, including the Greenspan and the Fed for just pressing "print", and basically lining the pockets of a mere 10% of the population with fiat ...more
Mar 29, 12 4:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, if they do shoot this down as unconstitutional, would that have any impact on the auto insurance mandate? Seems to me if it's unconstutional to force people to have health care coverage, it could be argued it is as such to force people to have auto insurance. Or, maybe it wouldn't because one is a Federal mandate, and the other a State mandate.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 29, 12 4:45 PM
You'll never see a comparison to auto insurance made in court (notice their was no reference in the SCOTUS oral arguments).

It's an entirely different thing, legally. A) Driving is a priveledge, not a right. B) Auto insurance requirements are for the protection of others, not you. C) Under our Constitution, states have the right to force you to buy things within their state (IE, gun locks) but the federal government's authority to do so only comes into play if the "commerce" crosses state ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 29, 12 6:19 PM
Z, nobody is forcing you to drive, but if you choose to drive there are certain responsibilities that go along with that, including insurance. Obamacare is forcing you to purchase something simply because you exist. There is a difference.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 29, 12 9:38 PM
You should write fiction because you have a clever imagination. For the 100th time, I think healthcare reform is needed. I agree with you that it's too expensive and people with pre-existing conditions should be covered. I never said that insurance should not be regulated. There are differences between mandated, managed and regulated. IMO Obamacare is not a fix, but a new and very expensive bad system with an unconstitutional mandate. I'd be against it if the GW Bush Admin penned it. To me it's ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 6:06 AM
Says who? You? There are many viable options that have nothing to do with party lines. Once again you make it a political issue and have determined that if you can't have A, then clearly the socialist approach has to be the alternative. Neg-A-Tive. I challenge you to once, just once, examine an issue solely based on what is best, viable, an economically sound. Your rage against the right solves nothing and locks you into accepting a pile of garbage wrapped in a new bow.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 8:25 AM
hey big fresh you *%&%($$$*&$&#*#&$^$*# four more years BABY!
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Mar 30, 12 9:04 AM
Thank you, 84 for your enlightened and well thought out view on world events.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 9:33 AM
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According to who??? You are passing this along as fact. Just walk away, Phil. You are looking foolish.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 4:24 PM
A poll. Now read your post and tell me how your argument falls apart. Should I do a google and find opinions to the contrary? If I do can I make the same claims and broadcast them as fact? You are so unbelievably narrow minded. It's comical.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 5:00 PM
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Well, this thread degenerated a bit.

Thanks for the replies DS & RF. I would find it more than disturbing if this being shot down had an effect on auto insurance requirements.

The obsession with Washington to override the states' ability to govern themselves is becoming quite tiresome.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 30, 12 5:37 PM
In my mind anyone who ships American jobs overseas is a traitor.A person who relocates in order to become a Congressman is a overly ambitious carpetbagger. He's trying to use the First District as a stepping stone. Will we let him step on us? I hope not.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Mar 29, 12 10:31 AM
Tiana, some distinction needs to be made to your points. I call someone who creates a company that offers cheaper solutions to product or processes of a business, a businessman. Now, an elected leader like Tim Bishop who directly voted to approve funds intended to promote American jobs that conversely contributed to the off shoring of jobs, this would be either a traitor or incompetent... take your pick. Either way, that's Tim Bishop.

Very little credibility should be given to questioning ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Mar 29, 12 11:33 AM
Thank goodness we have no carpetbaggers around here. Heck, before you know it someone like that could become secretary of state or something.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 29, 12 9:40 PM
I'll debate Alrschuler. Sign me up.
By number19 (110), Westhampton on Mar 29, 12 2:08 PM
T Bob: If the current state of affairs in the USA, unions and insane taxes for example, make it less profitable to do business at home, why shouldn't an employer take his business offshore? Please bear in mind when answering that the purpose of a business is to make a profit, thanks.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Mar 29, 12 4:40 PM
The taxes are lower than they've been in 50 years. Like it or not we are in a war to preserve our Country. Our economy is in the toilet. Many states and municipalities are broke (Suffolk Co. 530million) Third world Countries are clamoring for our jobs. The noose is tightening slightly every day. Eventually you might wake up living under a bridge. We need real help.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 1, 12 2:32 PM
Truthfully, if we eliminated the K Street gigolos, we'd probably see ALOT of our "problems" disappear.

I'm not sure which profession really is oldest, but they have made quite the bedfellows of eachother in our allegedly "democratic" process.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 29, 12 5:03 PM
I find your reference to "gigolos" offensive. Please find a more gender neutral term to describe them.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 29, 12 5:13 PM
OK, how about "prostitutes"?
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 29, 12 5:32 PM
Thank you, I'm much less offended now.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Mar 29, 12 6:12 PM
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By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 30, 12 5:15 PM
We need healthcare reform. I hope we can agree on that. Open it up across state lines, offer more products, give some tax relief to businesses, stop the tort nonsense. Take a common sense, business approach to this issue and get it out of the hands of politicians. Do not invite the govt into your life because they never leave.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 29, 12 9:47 PM
Unfortunately, double standard, that's not the gist of the "reform" that's offered. I agree totally with "Open it up across state lines, offer more products, give some tax relief to businesses, stop the tort nonsense" - but that's not ALL that's not what is going to happen under Obamacare ... the "plan" is simply unacceptable on too many levels to list ... as are other votes that Tim Bishop has cast. The MOST important question is not whether or not Altschuler "outsourced" (boring - we get it) ...more
By Board Watcher (532), East Hampton on Mar 29, 12 9:54 PM
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The outsource argument is the cowards way of saying, "We can't debate you on this subject so we'll add some fog."
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 6:29 AM
I suppose you agree that when the indigent goes to the ER in the hospital and gets treatment or is admitted to the hosp. that YOU and I are going to share in that payment? Is that what this is all about ? Y'all want to help people who can, but refuse, to buy health insurance to get their complete care gratis?
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Mar 30, 12 7:05 AM
My comment is meant for Board Watcher.. she mentioned "Obamacare" I responded to that subject not anything else.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Mar 30, 12 7:11 AM
Im not defending Altschuler however as this has sidebarred outsourceing has come about because american labor is to expensive. SImple. The union models has shifted employment by itself has eliminated jobs in order to pay for the expensive mandates. Pension benefit reform is a must. You could probably increase workers salaries if they didnt walk away with the cashing out or sick, personal and vacation days, as well as computing the pension payout by including overtime or retiring after "2) years" ...more
By North Sea Citizen (556), North Sea on Mar 30, 12 6:41 AM
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By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 31, 12 1:34 AM
I don't know how you people keep up this narrative week in and week out. The story was that Altschuler has challenged Bishop to a debate which Bishop has dodged. It happens to be about Healthcare which is the most important new item of the day and happens to impact each and every one of us. Tim Bishop is balking. He is chickening out. Don't like the terminology?

Altschuler balks; debate with Bishop canceled
Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Will James Oct 11, 2010 ...more
By Steve H (4), Southampton on Mar 30, 12 6:55 AM
debating Bishop against the Health care reform bill is laughable. He was opposed to it prior to Scott Brown becoming elected. In an open letter he stated he would not vote for it. He said it was a bad bill for New Yorkers and people in his district. All randy would have to do is bring a copy of that letter to the debate. It would be hialarious to watch lap dog Bishop argue against his own words
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Mar 30, 12 1:49 PM
Outsourser doesn't have the Republican nomination.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 2, 12 10:23 PM
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By tuckahoeptomember (9), Southampton on Mar 30, 12 7:13 AM
Please tell us who specifically wants that.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 9:42 AM
Specifically who said that here? You just make this garbage up.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 4:22 PM
You post the garbage then can't back it up. Then you try to generalize because you know your foot is in your mouth. Should we build the nets around our buildings now?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 4:26 PM
Stay on subject. Give me one specific example to back your disgusting claim from above. Hint... you can't.
Yet you are the first to cry when someone crosses the line. That's called hypocrisy and you are guilty as sin.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 4:50 PM
You lose, Phil.

Can you tell me of one specific incident here in the US where an employee jumped to his or her death to get away from the days work? Is this an epidemic here in the USA that I'm unfamiliar with?

But a recap is in order, because it is funny.
A. You claimed that employers want absolute control over their workers.
B. You used the Foxcomm example of employees jumping to their deaths to illustrate the relationship between labor and employer in the USA.
C. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 5:52 PM
Define "Part of the problem."
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 7:08 PM
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Repeat - what is your definition of "Part of the problem?" I'm going home soon and would love to answer your question.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 7:22 PM
Ahhh. To answer your question, I don't know because I don't fit your criteria for "part of the problem." That may be your assumption, but it's inaccurate (shocker.) Frankly, it's not even close.
More false accusations by you though "There is no regard for the social contract that povides for the well-being of others;posts on this very site demonstrate the self-interest that you and many others have demonstrated."
So I'll ask you to prove what you just accused me of, but you won't be able ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 7:34 PM
When those who are "so poor" they give up Cable (HBO and the "extra channels" ($160 month), and read in public librarys, their I-Pods and downloading music (that's $200 plus plus for the rest of it), their Saturdays of 'relaxing" to work 6 days a week (maybe adding another $100 or $200 dollars a week to go toward health care insurance?). Then there's SUV payments, cheese doodles, dinner out, movies, a vacation one can't afford ... It's all about work - and choices. How many sacrifices have you ...more
By Board Watcher (532), East Hampton on Mar 31, 12 8:14 PM
The attitude I display? You make claims and outrageous assumptions, I ask you for proof. You fall apart.
Remember, I am for healthcare reform, but IMO Obamacare is not the answer. That seems to knock you off your mark for whatever reason.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 12 8:15 AM
Phil, seems like you are doing a lot. Living the American dream there. See all the opportunity this great country has given you. Now it's up to you to make it profitable. I see a lot of opportunity for growth and networking. Perhaps you can find a marriage between your charitable associations and your martial arts skills? That would help with coordination and provide exercise and probably mental discipline. You can touch a lot of lives. Perhaps traveling from one group home to another. Maybe you ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 12 8:29 AM
Well, Phil, you may not believe it but I wish you well. I'll also say with the hope that you consider with an open mind, many business owners are good people who want to make a living, provide jobs, and provide a comfortable wage for their employees. It's a great feeling rewarding a job well done. I don't understand your venom, but that broad brush you paint with needs to be adjusted and your false accusations make your arguments seem silly.
Look at healthcare as an issue and take the politics ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 2, 12 6:28 PM
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Thanks, DS.

Thanks to all the lobbying and corporate money influence on legislation, this Act was a HUGE giveaway to "Big Pharma". The brilliance of the scheme, would be all the things the Fourth Estate focuses people's minds on to distract from little tidbits like that.

My next "read" is probably going to be "Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crises", by John Rickards. Massive amounts of stellar reviews.
Apr 2, 12 8:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
An age old war strategy was the debasement of your opponents currency, a.k.a. counterfeiting. With all the cash Greenspan's Fed has flooded our market with, our enemy comes from within. Jefferson was quoted as saying bankers are more dangerous, than standing armies.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 2, 12 8:28 PM
They should put a net around your house.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 7, 12 6:58 PM
< -------------------- Enough Said !
By They call me (2738), southampton on Mar 30, 12 12:54 PM
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Hey Phil, ever OWN a business? If not , your comments here are without merit. Walk a mile in a business owner's shoes, or work boots before you start pontificating on something you obviously know nothing about! It's a tragedy that some American labor has priced itself out of a job, but if labor costs are too high to survive in the USA and the company can be successful overseas, then God bless them. Have you no compassion fore the overseas employees?!
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Mar 30, 12 4:59 PM
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No. Why take the risk when he have Momma US Govt to hold your hand through life?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 30, 12 5:05 PM
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By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 31, 12 1:45 AM
Sorry Phil.....Current said on Friday afternoon that it had fired Mr. Olbermann — one of the nation’s most prominent progressive speakers — just a year into his five-year, $50 million contract. It was the culmination of months of murky disputes between Mr. Olbermann and the channel that he was supposed to save from the throes of ratings oblivion.
Mar 31, 12 10:32 AM appended by They call me
"And so GOOD NIGHT, and GOOD LUCK luck," LOL
By They call me (2738), southampton on Mar 31, 12 10:32 AM
Looks like asterisks are no good anymore.

Even if you censor yourself, you still get censored.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Mar 31, 12 10:54 AM
Phil, Bill Maher gave the Obama campaign 1 mill. Carry on.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 1, 12 8:32 AM
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Thank God my clients are the 1%, all is well. You still have no clue on what makes a business tick, profit. Nice deflection from the point though, well done.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Mar 31, 12 8:33 AM
I think Phil's claims and propaganda have pretty much been torched. I like to see what kind of businessman he'd make. I'd like that a lot. If he only knew how difficult it is to insure a workforce, and how Obamacare did nothing to ease that burden, and in most cases made it harder. Ah if he only knew.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Mar 31, 12 10:17 AM
BF They have no idea what it takes or what we have been though to get where we are.... The only know envy. We know anyone who puts in the effort and sacrifice can achieve a better live. why bother trying to explain anymore. I am not sure when becoming a success became a bad thing but it is a sad state of affairs.
Apr 1, 12 11:22 AM appended by joe hampton
sorry for the typos (life) composed from the cell phone on the move
By joe hampton (3383), south hampton on Mar 31, 12 11:22 AM
Factual statistic:

In the United States, just the top 5 percent held 63.5 percent of the nation’s wealth in 2009.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 3, 12 3:35 PM
Compassion for overseas employees???
Do you work for Alschuler?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Mar 31, 12 8:52 AM
No SHNative, Maybe we just appreciate hard work and personal responsibility no matter what your global zip code, You want to paint people as racists only when its suits your cause. Biden speaks of a global minimum tax to restrict other countries from competing with the unions, taxes and regulations in the states.You want a cradle to grave nanny state. You grand father would be ashamed of what progressives have turned this country into.
By joe hampton (3383), south hampton on Mar 31, 12 11:34 AM
Hey joe, if you get the chance, check out "Blueprint for Accountability: The Washington-Wall St. Connection" at FORAtv.

Fair warning, it's a two hour symposium but worth it. Dylan Ratigan called in sick, but Karen Finney agreed to stand in as moderator. Eliot Spitzer attended as well, and is an excellent prosecutor, despite any personal shortcomings.
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 1, 12 6:17 PM
I hate when you give me homework Z . I will try.
By joe hampton (3383), south hampton on Apr 1, 12 9:16 PM
"Do, or do not. There is no try."
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 5, 12 12:34 AM
Wecome back Joe, I agree since FDR the schools have stealthily turned out a genoration of Brown Shirts. and I am not talking about United Parcel Workers.
By 27dan (2758), Southampton on Mar 31, 12 11:42 AM
Pretty sure that slams the lid on this one, It has been fun treating Phil with the same respect the current administration treats the constitution, see you all next time, Straight Ahead now
By They call me (2738), southampton on Apr 2, 12 8:32 PM
Go Bishop!!!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 2, 12 8:56 PM
FAIR WARNING:

"Democracy cannot be safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself.”

~ Franklin Roosevelt in an address to Congress (1938)
Apr 2, 12 9:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
"One of the main reasons why the western world is so schizophrenic is that we have political democracy and economic autocracy." ~ Jaroslav Vanek
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 2, 12 9:00 PM
ROTFLMFAO Roosevelt is where the trouble started
By 27dan (2758), Southampton on Apr 2, 12 9:16 PM
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Ummmm, no.

The trouble that caused the Depression in the firstplace was the behavior of banks like Goldman-Sahchs. Their behavior, reckless fiscal irresponsiblity, and the emulation thereof by the industry led to the Great Depression, and the New Deal.

It's kind of funny, how they were the cause of the first "Great Depression". And, by the way, maybe you should change your avatar to a photo of former Merrill Lynch CEO Donald Regan.

He was Reagan's Cheney, you dolt.

But, ...more
Apr 2, 12 9:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, are you from the Anarchist, or Minarchist school of thought?
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 2, 12 9:44 PM
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Obama warns the supreme court! Telling them to not strike down Obamacare! You cant write this stuff up. What an egomaniac! Might as well rip up the constitution, eliminate the checks and balances in this country and just do what you want.
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Apr 3, 12 8:31 AM
steady now, Just a few more months of this narcissistic empty suit
By They call me (2738), southampton on Apr 3, 12 12:44 PM
Yeah, because Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts are activist hacks who granted individual rights to corporations and decided it was OK for citizens to be strip-searched for minor offenses. Talk about big government. If you teapartiers weren't such complete hypocrites you'd be protesting SCOTUS as well.

By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 3, 12 5:19 PM
The rights of an individual (Corporate Personhood) were granted to corporations back in 1896, via the Fourteenth Amenmendment in the Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad.

That was the end of the American Charter System as it was laid down by the Founders, and the end of a company like Mondragon (economic democracy) existing in the United States.
Apr 3, 12 5:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
Edit: 1886
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 3, 12 5:30 PM
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razza and They call me: were y'all watching the President today as lhe spoke to the Press in DC and around the country? He was on at noontime today -- by the times listed on your posts I doubt you tuned in to it. He did mention
SCOTUS and the case before them now. Acutally, since Pres. Obama is an accredited professor of U. S. Constitution I imagine he can be considered an authority on the subject. He does respect them and was only calling attention that the Supreme Court does not generally ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Apr 3, 12 5:08 PM
You are correct. I did not tune it to Obama at lunch time. I was working. Based on your comments though perhaps we should just do away with the three branches of GVT and just set up Obama as dictator. That way we don't have to worry about such silly things like the rules and laws that govern this country
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Apr 4, 12 6:22 AM
Yo Einstein, every law that the SCOTUS has struck down as unconstitutional was passed by Congress in the first place! Just because a law is passed iot's not automatically legal. Time to brush up on the three branches of government and the checks and balances they all have.
By spouting off against the Court, Barry comes across as a tin horn dictator. No surprise there.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Apr 3, 12 5:31 PM
Because He is a Marxist at heart who doesn't have the nation's best interest at heart and spends money like a gangster in a crack house.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Apr 4, 12 7:11 AM
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Marxist, communist, socialist, blah, blah, blah. The argument of the intellectually clueless
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 4, 12 7:57 AM
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You really should read Vanek sometime...
Apr 4, 12 4:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
And for reference, every President in my lifetime, except Clinton, has spent money "like a gangster in a crackhouse" including the corporate spokesman Ronald Reagan. Why do you think Social Security is BROKE? The "TRUST FUND" that was to be allocated from Greenspan's "revenue enhancements" are LONG GONE. Spent on everything else, except Social Security. You REALLY need to read more...
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 4, 12 4:10 PM
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By suffolkvoter (1), port jefferson station on Apr 4, 12 9:52 AM
HMMMM, how much has Barry Sotero raised our nation's debt? EVERY one of His budgets projected at least a TRILLION DOLLAR DEFECIT!! A gangster in a crack house is an apt description.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Apr 4, 12 5:57 PM
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By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 4, 12 11:46 PM
Z did you mother teach you to act like that. Please show some class Einstein.
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Apr 5, 12 6:18 AM
Well, you do just grew weary of someone holding down a keystroke, when they type the last letter of the alphabet. Being insulted, well, sometimes it just feels better not to turn the other cheek.

I know the knowlege, and deductive capability isn't there for bf to realize this on his own, so I'll just have to break it to him gently.

Your "clientele", your precious 1%; are the single most expensive welfare class ever in the history of humanity. Printed fiat currency, and at least ...more
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 5, 12 4:42 PM
I'm waiting...

And don't use spell check, read paper...
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 6, 12 11:11 PM
"It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking, and monetary system. For, if they did, I believe there would be a revolution tomorrow morning."

~ Henry Ford (1922)
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 5, 12 12:16 AM
99% Rally Sunday in Sag Harbor 1PM by the Windmill
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 5, 12 11:08 AM
Randy and the radical right's war on women and the middle class must be stopped. If you believe your wife or your mother or daughter should be subject to sonograms at the whim of some oil company bought legislator then Randy is your man If you believe that the super rich deserve more tax breaks and women should not be allowed to purchase birth control then Randy is your man. If you want the Koch brothers to run the United States of America then Randy is your man.

On the other hand. if you ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Apr 7, 12 6:59 AM
"The War on Women." "women should not be allowed to purchase birth control." "your wife or your mother or daughter should be subject to sonograms at the whim of some oil company bought legislator"

You left out that fact that Randy eats babies. He does. I saw it. It's awful. I'd write more, but they may find me. They are everywhere.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Apr 7, 12 12:10 PM
Any FACTS to back up those ASSertions there Steven?! Sounds like a quote from the Huffington Puffington Post.
By bigfresh (4498), north sea on Apr 7, 12 4:46 PM
Phil, you are touchihng on the states RIGHTS to regulate abortion and create laws which ensure the health of a women during an abortion procedure. The unecessary procedure you refer to have been determined by the individual state as being in the best interest of the female to ensure their health and well being and complegtely in line with the intentions of the SCOTUS.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 7, 12 10:02 PM
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By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 10, 12 8:05 PM
I don’t have much comment as I don’t know much about it other than they haven't been signed yet and I don’t normally rely on one (left leaning) source for my news and that’s all I could pretty much find. I do have a suspicion that this is related to bigger political issues connected to the no love lost between Obama and Brewer.

Roe vs Wade created a hotly contested national debate that continues today, about issues including whether and to what extent abortion ...more
Apr 10, 12 8:41 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
To add: It seems that the new definition in the proposed law is in line with how doctors typically determine gestational age, according to the article. Should be interesting.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 10, 12 8:41 PM
Arizona is catching up to Florida as the wackiest state in the Union. This mostly Republican "war on Women" is puzzling. It's going to cost plenty of votes. Look at Rush. They couldn't give Ad time away.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 10, 12 9:14 PM
As noted in Roe vs Wade, state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy. That doesn't mean they don't have an interest early on during a pregnancy. I'm more puzzled with why a post gets deleted when it doesn't contain duplicate or offensive content yet a barrage of other posts taking an exact counter point remain. The new definition in the proposed law is in line with how doctors typically determine gestational age. No doubt the decision is being tested; it happens every day ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 11, 12 9:54 AM
It's not a "state's right" to invade a woman's privacy. Virginia, claiming they have the right to subject a woman to a humiliating sonogram, is no different than Virginia 50 years ago forcing people of color to the back of the bus.

It's the same people, the same game. We can't go backwards.

If you care about women, and/or you want birth control to remain legal, vote for Bishop
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Apr 7, 12 10:54 PM
Soetoro, bf?

Really? You can't even spell it right. The birther controversy technically ended, after multiple journalistic investigations.

I looked at the scan of the long form birth certificate. It appears to be, as is normal, a page from a ledger which woudl come from basement file records, scanned digitally from the page in the ledger. There is also a digital security overlay for security purposes. I suppose someone also went to the trouble of forging the microfiche of ...more
By Mr. Z (11494), North Sea on Apr 10, 12 7:43 PM
The Republicans enabled Wall Street to cripple the economy.Plain and simple. The rest of us are just trying to crawl out of the wreckage. Including the twenty somethings who are saddled with over a trillion dollars of student loans and very limited job prospects. Do you have any of them living at home?
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 11, 12 10:19 PM
Back up your "claims" with sources: The republican party is the party of racists and bigots. Sources please, and do I dare say, legitimate sources, aftre all, you've already provided the self proclaimed facts. Don’t forget Phil, you’ve included an entire group in your disdain. The very group you rail about.

"I avoid republican hangouts at all costs." Isn’t avoiding an entire group in its entirety like someone in the KKK avoiding, blacks or Jews? Hmmm, sounds much ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Apr 11, 12 11:07 PM
The Hampton Classic, Horse Show, Bridgehampton