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Jun 2, 2017 3:00 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Governor Andrew Cuomo Announces $2 Million To Improve Water Quality On Long Island

Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone talks to Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman about water quality on Friday morning. BY ERIN MCKINLEY
Jun 6, 2017 4:16 PM

Governor Andrew Cuomo on Friday morning threw his support—as well as some serious clams—behind a local research initiative that strives to improve water quality throughout the state.

The governor took an hour-long tour of Shinnecock Bay aboard the Donald W. Pritchard, a 28-foot research boat owned by Stony Brook Southampton. It began at Oakland’s Marina and Restaurant in Hampton Bays, and the boat’s occupants disembarked at the college’s Shinnecock Hills campus.

There, Mr. Cuomo announced that Albany has set aside an additional $2.05 million in funding to support the Sea Grant Program at the college. Funded with both state and federal money, the program finances initiatives designed to combat brown tide and other harmful algal blooms, as well as cultivate clam and oyster populations, natural filters of seawater that can help improve water quality.

After returning to dry land, the governor stated that he supports the goal set by local scientists to reseed Shinnecock Bay with an additional 30 million clams over the next few years, joining the estimated two million previously deployed by Dr. Chris Gobler, a marine science professor at Stony Brook Southampton, and his team of researchers.

Those clams were placed in the bay to help combat future brown tides—harmful algal blooms that turn water to the color of coffee, and also block sunlight from reaching eelgrass beds that host many forms of marine life, including shellfish.

While touring the bay, Mr. Cuomo was joined by several state and Suffolk County officials as they dropped several bags of baby clams into the water. During a press conference held at the marina of the Stony Brook University School of Atmospheric and Marine Sciences building immediately following the tour, the governor said the additional $2 million in funding will go a long way in understanding what is continuing to damage Long Island’s waterways while also researching new ways to restore water quality.

Some of the funds, he added, will help initiatives like those undertaken by Dr. Gobler’s team by reseeding local bays with filter shellfish.

“Water quality is critical,” Mr. Cuomo said. “We have to have an all-out attack for water quality on Long Island and do everything we can to help. We have more to do.”

A cooperative program run by both SUNY and Cornell University, the Sea Grant Program plays an important role in ongoing operations at the Stony Brook Southampton campus, including the work of Dr. Gobler, who lives in East Quogue.

The brown tide blooms, which are not harmful to humans, first appeared in local waters in 1985 and have returned almost annually since then in several East End water bodies, including Shinnecock Bay. The region’s once booming shellfish industry took perhaps the biggest hit from the reoccurring brown tides—it nearly collapsed in the mid-1990s because of the lack of healthy shellfish.

The tides are measured based on the number of algae organisms found in a single milliliter of seawater; in extremely bad years, researchers have detected as many as two million cells in every milliliter of water, according to Dr. Gobler’s research.

“If there is less than 50,000 cells per milliliter, they are happy as a clam in the water,” Dr. Gobler joked about the local shellfish populations during Friday’s tour with the governor. “But once it gets above that, they stop breathing and you lose that filtration.”

According to Dr. Gobler, one of the best ways to combat future brown tides is by introducing millions of clams into the water, explaining that they can naturally filter dangerous algae before they can build up their numbers. The catch, he explained, is ensuring that local shellfish stocks are high enough so the bad algae cannot gain in strength and, eventually, kill off younger shellfish, further exacerbating future brown tides.

As part of their work, Dr. Gobler and his associates have been repopulating Long Island’s waterways with clams and oysters whenever possible. On Friday, crew members and state and county officials dropped about 10 bags filled with two-year-old clams into Shinnecock Bay. Officials prefer to drop them in areas that are off-limits to harvesters, allowing the still-maturing clams to spawn.

“We choose locations where we know they are going to survive and reproduce,” Dr. Gobler said while showing one of the clams to Mr. Cuomo. “These are the size where they can start reproducing and creating baby clams to repopulate the bay to where we need it to be … Because there is not a lot of oysters out there, it is an uphill battle.”

Based on his calculations, Dr. Gobler estimates that approximately 30 million clams are needed to repopulate Shinnecock Bay to the level that they can fend off future brown tides and also improve the quality of the water. The tipping point, he added, is roughly 15 million clams, adding that they still have a way to go to reach that goal. “You have to improve the water quality to bring back the shellfish population,” he explained.

In addition to the additional $2.05 million in funding for Sea Grant program, state officials have allocated some $2.5 billion under the Clean Water Infrastructure Act to finance future clean drinking water upgrades throughout New York. The total includes $1.4 billion in grants for future water infrastructure improvements, as well as $75 million in rebates for homeowners and small business owners who replace their antiquated cesspool systems.

Joining the governor on Friday’s boat tour were: Department of Environmental Conservation Commissioner Basil Seggos, Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone, State Assemblymen Fred Thiele Jr. and Steve Englebright, the latter of whom chairs the Assembly’s Committee on Environmental Conservation, Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman, and Group for the East End President Robert DeLuca.

Before tossing his last clam into the water on Friday, Mr. Cuomo paused for a moment before gently kissing the shellfish, stating that he hopes it does its job and “creates lots of little clams”—a sentiment that was greeted with chuckles from his fellow passengers.

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Thanks for meeting with constituents Governor Cu omo...I'll remember you at the next election too.
By Toma Noku (579), Southampton on Jun 2, 17 8:39 PM
Great news!

$2.05 million to improve the water quality of our beautiful, imperiled Shinnecock Bay. Not surprisingly, it was DEMOCRATIC governor Cuomo who came out to Southampton to announce that NYS would come to our aid. Someone must have told him in what desperate straits we were in as a result of the disinterest of Congressman Lee Zeldin in our problems. (His most recent appearance in our neighborhood was a pointless "tour" of the Hudson River Healthcare facility. [Need it be said ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 2, 17 10:07 PM
Did not know Sergei Zeldin visited the Hudson River Healthcare facility. Its ironic though because most of the clients are people who benefit from Medicaid and such other type of assistance which he has voted against in his support for the repeal of O-care. HRHC will be one of the businesses negatively impacted by that. What a hypocrite.
By Toma Noku (579), Southampton on Jun 3, 17 9:08 AM
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Thank you Toma Noku Tse-tung.
By pw herman (704), southampton on Jun 5, 17 7:39 AM
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Hat forgets where the Sea Grant funding comes from. Thank you Lee Zeldin for your vote supporting this reauthorization of funding and for leadership in efforts such as the April 3, 2017 bi-partisan letter to the Appropriation Committee supporting full FY 2018 funding for the Sea Grant Program which makes possible actions such as Governor Andrew Cuomo's announce and additional $2.05 million in funding to support the state Sea Grant.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 5, 17 10:21 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"Hat forgets where the Sea Grant funding comes from."
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Dear me, Po Boy, you're telling porkies again!

"I" didn't forget where that $2.05 million came from, but you either did or are deliberately misrepresenting it as being entirely derived from federal funding.

It isn't. The Sea Grant program is a matching funds program. "Some" federal money is involved but it is frequently only half of a particular ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 5, 17 10:58 AM
Fact is hat, sometimes the funding is matching and sometimes it is not. "Some" federal funding is usually the vast majority of the grant and without the federal funding (Thank you Mr. Zeldin) the grants afforded to the State Sea Grant program would be significantly less, if existent at all.

Moreover to your moreover, please point me to the information that supports a DEMOCRAT ---->directing<----- the funding to Shinnecock Bay. Mr. Zeldin's support of the ecosystems within the East End ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (355), Southampton on Jun 5, 17 12:25 PM
Saw this on Ch12 news. It looked like they dumped a bunch of bags of little necks from a seafood store into the bay. Was this just a publicity stunt? I'm all for cleaning up our polluted Bays but will those clams they dumped even live? The brown tide is early this year & I'm sure the red tide will arrive soon.
By G (303), Southampton on Jun 3, 17 7:51 AM
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The water scientist did the same thing, so....
By June Bug (1411), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 3, 17 9:29 AM
... now the Town Board has to shut down the hills development in East Quogue and we will be heading in the right direction.
By William Rodney (461), southampton on Jun 4, 17 4:11 PM
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When the water doesn't get any cleaner but the personal financial statements of the politicians are clearer, do the taxpayers get their funds back?
By even flow (495), East Hampton on Jun 5, 17 7:20 AM
to Mr. Snerdley (& Po Boy):

Actually, further research reveals that the federal government ISN'T PROVIDING A DIME of the $2.05 million for this program. It’s ALL coming from New York State funds:

“Despite the myriad accomplishments of the program, the federal government is slated to defund the Sea Grant program, which would decimate the Sea Grant Program when it is most needed. New York will step up to support this vital research with $2.05 million from the Environmental ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 6, 17 12:00 AM
Very happy to get to the meat of the facts hat. Bravo for the NYS DEMOCRATS for FINALLY stepping up to fund more than the standard $400,000 per year for the health of the East End natural resources (against the Federal governments millions – thank you Mr. Zeldin). The very politically expedient move by our esteemed governor made for one great photo-op but leaves one wondering where Democratic led efforts have been the last few years.

As far as any "defunding" of the Sea Grant Program, ...more
Jun 6, 17 8:41 AM appended by Po Boy
Example after example provided in previous posts of Mr. Zeldin's efforts toward East End programs hat (evidence refuting the bogus claim "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End"), but as yet another, just recently on May 11, 2017, the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2017 (H.R. 244), was passed by Congress and signed by the President, and includes several key environmental wins for Long Island, such as: •$8 million for the Long Island Sound Program, an increase by over $4 million; •$26.7 million for the National Estuary Program, which includes two Long Island estuaries of national significance- Long Island Sound and Peconic; •$72.5 million for the National Sea Grant College Program; •$5.3 billion for the Department of Energy’s Office of Science; and •$306 million for ARPA-E, an increase of $15 million. Long Island Sound Program: Funds water quality and wetlands restoration for the Long Island Sound, as well as other local conservation projects to restore local beaches and protect wildlife. National Estuary Program: Funds state and local programs to promote water quality and wetland restoration. This program serves both the Long Island Sound and Peconic Estuary. National Sea Grant College Program: Sea Grant works with local producers to grow and sustain their business models while connecting them to local resources to share best practices. With imported seafood making up 90% of American seafood consumption, this program will work to help grow Long Island’s local seafood economy.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 6, 17 8:41 AM
to Po Boy:

"The meat of the facts"?

Would that be the fact of your deceit in deliberately misleading readers into believing that The Honorable Lee had a hand in acquiring the $2.05 million dollars for this project? (I welcome a correction if I am mistaken. However, in rereading your post it seems clear that you imply [carefully] that the initiative was federally funded without actually so stating.)

Cave, Po Boy, once one's word is dishonored, it cannot be rehabilitated. ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 6, 17 9:17 AM
Of course you're mistaken hat for it is the ignorant who automatically think the worst of those who hold a differing of opinion. Deliberately? Please. Where I erred was in the details that the NYS Democrats who you lauded have historically shown very little support for such programs given the limited funding they've allocated. Not to mention, I failed to correctly estimate the political expedience and intentions of a good photo-op. Yes, I should have known there was more to the story.

Conversely ...more
Jun 6, 17 10:09 AM appended by Po Boy
So yes, we agree hat, "once one's word is dishonored, it cannot be rehabilitated. An apology at this point would be curative." So it is time you pony up with an apology hat for your assertions about Mr. Zeldin are most certainly deliberately misleading.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 6, 17 10:09 AM
to Po Boy:

Sorry to have misread you (although I would wager that every other reader made the same mistake - - - and your colleague, Mr. Snerdley, seems to be one of us.) I invite everyone to reread your reply and come to his own conclusion.

One notes that you once again refer (Are we in DOUBLE-DIGIT irrelevant references by now?) to a NATIONAL program which, as I stated earlier, "encompass[es] the entire national ocean shore, the Great Lakes, Puerto Rico, other overseas territories, ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 7, 17 6:19 PM
The confusion of mid stage dementia is upon you.
By pw herman (704), southampton on Jun 8, 17 8:32 AM
Sorry hat, since the discussion is limited to the East End, we're gonna have to take the Pine Barrens off the table as a qualified talking point. I see no reason to include since the health of Long Island Sound is of no significance to you. “Casuistry”, anyone?

By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 9, 17 1:31 PM
Town Zboard members and a Trustee put off the boat! Why was that Jay?
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jun 6, 17 1:59 PM
o Po Boy:

Quote:

"Sorry hat, since the discussion is limited to the East End, we're gonna have to take the Pine Barrens off the table as a qualified talking point."
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You really ARE ignorant about the community in which you live, are you not, Po Boy. (Not to worry, The Honorable Lee knows even less than you.) Here's a link (in the only manner permitted by the mad censors of the Press) to a map of Long Island which shows that ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 9, 17 7:26 PM
....Says the guy who doesn't think the health of Long Island Sound impacts the East End (minimizing the work and funding supported by Lee Zeldin) and cheaply and routinely politicizes environmental issues and the good work that is being done simply because it's by a Republican ... You see hat, I'm the person in this discussion who believes ALL of District 1 is important and it's ALL interrelated. This is our community and I actually find your politicization of this issue completely ignorant in itself.
Jun 12, 17 7:48 AM appended by Po Boy
Cool map, unfortunately to the discussion, it doesn't encompass only the Pine Barrens... following your logic, Lindenhurst is in the East End. But can't say I'm tremendously surprised by the conflating and confusing of the issues. You see hat, the Pine Barrens are smack in the middle of the area you've deemed inconsequential to District 1, hence my original point that if you're going to minimize and deflect on the importance of efforts and funding secured by Mr. Zeldin, you can't embrace it when it suites your point when a Democrat does something you selectively approve of.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 12, 17 7:48 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"I'm the person in this discussion who believes ALL of District 1 is important and it's ALL interrelated. This is our community and I actually find your politicization of this issue completely ignorant in itself."
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Untrue, Po Boy. I believe that every constituent of Lee's deserves the same attention as every other constituent, regardless of where he lives - - - but that's not happening. There are critical ...more
Jun 12, 17 8:47 AM appended by highhatsize
Apparently your ignorance extends to the skill of "map-reading" as well. As my reference shows, in all of Long Island, it is the East End that has been overwhelmingly impacted by the infestation of the Southern Pine Beetle. (That's what all those red circles on the map north of Westhampton mean, Po Boy.) However, I DO take your meaning, The Honorable Lee could hardly be less interested than if the infestation WERE in Lindenhurst.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 12, 17 8:47 AM
I will repeat my statement from April 13 to your position - Simply asinine! Our interaction at that time began with your nonsensical and ridiculous statement that Mr. Zeldin "hasn't done a thing for the East End" (Your exact words), followed a week later by a deflection to specifically the environment after examples were show that Mr. Zeldin IS working hard for District 1. When it was pointed out all the work Mr. Zeldin IS doing for the East End and it's unique needs you minimized those efforts ...more
Jun 12, 17 10:34 AM appended by Po Boy
Lee Zeldin - March 13, 2017 - "Co-Chair of the Long Island Sound Caucus and a founding member of the bipartisan Congressional Estuary Caucus, joined by local elected officials and environmental advocates, hosted a press conference today calling for full support of the Long Island Sound Program and National Estuary Program to ensure both are fully supported and funded in the upcoming appropriations process; and not eliminated."
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 12, 17 10:34 AM
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to Po Boy:

That would be a good argument if anything remotely like what you describe actually happened in April. In fact, from the very beginning of this discussion you have incessantly cited national and regional programs as being beneficial to the East End (and as being indicative of Congressman Zeldin’s interest in us), when, in reality, their impact here is insubstantial (or nonexistent.)

You have also misrepresented my response to your assertions. You claim that ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 13, 17 9:24 AM
Incorrect per your standard protocol hat. Claiming lack of relevance of national programs is the evolution of the spin you've placed on the discussion as the most recent attempt to minimize important efforts Mr. Zeldin has successfully undertaken. You continue to place cheap political partisanship over the well being of the East End. While you criticize the strategy of national programs, one might suggest in the framework of billion dollar budgets, forming caucuses, building partnerships and establishing ...more
Jun 13, 17 9:59 AM appended by Po Boy
So while you place little value and a narrow minded and short sided view to the health of Long Island Sound plays in the unique needs of the East End – just as one example – fact is, it has a HUGE impact. And while you further place little importance on Peconic Bay and Mr. Zeldin's efforts on the National Estuary Program an important EPA wetlands protection program which was established by the Clean Water Act and grants funding to state and local programs and promotes water quality and wetland restoration – it has a HUGE impact on the East End. That said, have you completely forgotten the citation of the Fire Island to Montauk effort which most recently provided $1.16 billion for dredging, erosion, beach nourishment and shoreline projects? Of course you haven’t. But you've certain dismissed it as not important - now calling this and other wetland and clean water programs as having "virtually no impact" because they’ve been packaged as part of a national effort. That is simply a ridiculous assertion, even for you.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 13, 17 9:59 AM
to Po Boy;

More insubstantial nonsense, just a tad more verbose. For the umpteenth time you cite regional programs in which the East End will participate as a beggar at a banquet. Your claim that the Long Island Sound project will produce a "HUGE" impact on the East End is baseless fantasy. You also toss in the "Fire Island to Montauk" project as if it has actually been realized instead of currently existing only as a proposal. If The Honorable Lee is as effective in arranging for implementation ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 13, 17 11:00 AM
Oh come now hat. "Proposed my a**. The $1.16 billion in FUNDED efforts for the Fire Island to Montauk revitalization effort, funded at 48% higher than the $600 million as a result of Mr. Zeldin's efforts will most certainly begin before either the Pine Barren funding or clam seeding sees the light of day - other than the promotional stunt of course which only ANNOUNCED funding.
Jun 13, 17 11:23 AM appended by Po Boy
Here are some of the things you're opposed to hat: -Beach and dune nourishment throughout the FIMP area, including beaches and waterfront on the Great South Bay, Moriches Inlet, Fire Island, and Westhampton barrier islands, among other locations. -Dredging to maintain Fire Island Inlet, Moriches Inlet, and Shinnecock Inlet. -Groin (jetty) modifications at Westhampton and Ocean Beach. -Raising of 4,000 homes, and road raising in Mastic, NY for 5.9 miles of road to protect 1,054 homes, including Riviera Drive. -Support of the local management plan of Georgica Pond, and continued erosion protection along Potato Road and Downtown Montauk. -Construction of dunes on Dune Road and option for a “betterment” project to raise Dune Road. The plan also includes a variety of coastal and wetland restoration projects that will use the natural environment to reduce flooding, erosion, and storm damage, while also preserving the natural environment and habitat for wildlife. This will be especially beneficial in areas like Mastic Beach where bulkheading or other hard structures are not the solution, and for back bay areas where the loss of wetlands has led to flooding.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 13, 17 11:23 AM
to Po Boy:

Baloney.

Not a spadeful of earth has been turned yet in the Fire Island to Montauk project but you treat its PROPOSALS as if the work were already completed. You also falsely accuse me of being opposed to the project. That's silly. (Why would I be opposed to a project whose description is so marvelous?) Rather, I simply believe that when the money is actually divvied up, most of the East End proposals will be deleted or diminished is scope in order to fund more ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 14, 17 2:38 PM
You are full of many things hat. Comprehension isn't one of them. How you've now chosen to categorize the discussion - work done vs. funded vs. proposals only, is of your own doing for it simply suits your argument and is typical of the evolution of a bankrupt point of view. Remember, we started with your claim "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End." That's been well refuted now...over and over and over again.
Jun 15, 17 8:33 AM appended by Po Boy
So at the end of the day by your own admission, this is all about your belief - not what is set in reality. What I've posted is directly from Mr. Zeldin's website and reflective of full transparency of what work is slated to be done. Whether the work is underway is really inconsequential, for it's MAJOR and the planning and preparation is no doubt complex - but speaking to the $1.16 billion in FUNDED efforts for the Fire Island to Montauk revitalization effort, funded at 48% higher than the $600 million as a result of Mr. Zeldin's efforts, clearly, Mr. Zeldin is CLEARLY getting it done for the East End - and all of District 1. Now, I match your $5.3 million the governor has offered and you've hung your hat on, and raise you about $1.1 billion to match what Mr. Zeldin has delivered in funding.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 15, 17 8:33 AM
to Po Boy:

MORE baloney.

You persevere in the the determined misconception that The Honorable Lee's support for national and regional programs in which the East End has an insignificant participation indicates his concern for us. Once again, I will leave it to readers to decide whether they accept your sophistry.

As for the Fire Island to Montauk program, not a spadeful of earth has been turned, not a dollar has been spent. When the program is completed, and we can look ...more
Jun 15, 17 9:54 AM appended by highhatsize
Two days ago I told you that "I" never made the claim that "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End." Nevertheless, you have repeated that canard because it suits your duplicitous narrative. Notwithstanding your false attribution, however, it is nonetheless completely true, The Honorable Lee's "contributions" being decidedly "de minimis".
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 15, 17 9:54 AM
Your argument is absolutely lame hat. "Insignificant" is by your own admission, your belief. Sorry to advise this to you, but you don't self righteously determine what does and doesn't get cited as supporting an argument. BUT, if we applied that logic, you ALSO would have ZERO argument - "while the governor's $5.3 million has yet to be spent", and we wouldn't be having this lovely exchange.

We know that Mr. Zeldin secured a 48% increase in funding for the Fire Island to Montauk revitalization ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 15, 17 10:24 AM
To Po Boy:
 
Time to consign that baloney to the trash, Po Boy, it's really starting to stink.
 
The $5.3 million from the governor's programs for Shinnecock Bay and the Pine Barrens will be spent HERE, on the East End.  There is no guarantee that ANY money from the Fire Island to Montauk program will be.  (However, in the sweet by and by, if a few crumbs form that project do chance to land on the East End, YOU will point to them as proof of The Honorable Lee’s ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 16, 17 8:51 AM
From Mr. Zeldin's website where the $1.16 billion will be spent and has been specifically earmarked for: -Beach and dune nourishment throughout the Fire Island to Montauk Point area, including beaches and waterfront on the Great South Bay, Moriches Inlet, Fire Island, and Westhampton barrier islands, among other locations. -Dredging to maintain Fire Island Inlet, Moriches Inlet, and Shinnecock Inlet. -Groin (jetty) modifications at Westhampton and Ocean Beach. -Raising of 4,000 homes, and road raising ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 16, 17 9:32 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"From Mr. Zeldin's website where the $1.16 billion will be spent and has been SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED FOR: ... " (emphasis added)
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A lovely wish list, not a single one of whose projects, despite your misleading language (which The Honorable Lee didn't use on his website), is guaranteed.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 16, 17 7:52 PM
What in life is guaranteed hat? Yep, that's what I thought.

But, since the $1.16 trillion has been approved within a federal budget as such, it's legally mandated to be spent in that manner. Guaranteed... it's the closest thing you find to it...you bet.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 18, 17 5:08 PM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"But, since the $1.16 trillion has been approved within a federal budget as such, it's legally mandated to be spent in that manner. Guaranteed... it's the closest thing you find to it...you bet.
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More baloney, Po Boy. Every program of this sort is subject to modification by such things as budgetary underestimations. Moreover the Army Corps Chief has yet to ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 18, 17 8:27 PM
Well hat, at the end of the day it would seem even by your ridiculous assertions, Mr. Zeldin performed admirably, and at NO FAULT TO HIS OWN, Mr. Zeldin delivered for District 1 and the East End which is the focus of our discussion.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 18, 17 11:09 PM
Who cares if that self impressed drummer likes Zeldin or not.
By even flow (495), East Hampton on Jun 19, 17 7:55 AM
to Po Boy:

An "interesting" (not to say "paradoxical" [I invite readers to review the discussion.]) conclusion on your part. An alternative view is that The Honorable Lee has, to date, steadfastly ignored the East End's unique and critical problems.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 19, 17 2:23 PM
Conclusion? Only yours, hat. Where we part is I don't dwell in the hypothetical. We know this for FACT: Mr. Zeldin as a member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee secured $1.16 billion dollars for District 1, to include beach nourishment, dredging and shoreline projects on the East End, to which you have issue with seemingly based on political ideology. It's interesting how you applaud one project for Shinnecock Bay but dismiss another for Shinnecock Inlet - paradoxical? - ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 20, 17 8:23 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"I don't dwell in the hypothetical."
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Your citation of Zeldin's inchoate "proposals" for the East End shows that you do indeed. As I have said previously, when the program is complete, we can all look at the work that has ACTUALLY been done out here and compare the funds so spent against those spent anywhere-else-but-here; and we can all measure how effectively that work has addressed our critical needs. ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 20, 17 10:00 AM
Focus hat.... we're discussing your defense of the comment "Mr. Zeldin doesn't do a thing for the East End".

Clearly, by working to secure $1.16 billion in funding for District 1 beach nourishment, dredging and shoreline projects - much of which includes the East End, Mr. Zeldin most certainly does. But I'm now perplexed by the newest revelation that you support one program for Shinnecock Bay (Democrat) but against another for Shinnecock Inlet (Republican)... Ooops... is right. One can ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 20, 17 10:31 AM
to Po Boy:

Again, Po Boy. Your incessant reiteration of arguments rebutted previously (and often) is tedious. For what I hope is the last time:

1) "De minimis" and "nothing" are synonymous.

2) The "proposal" is inchoate. Nothing has been done for the East End.

3) While the governor's $5 million + project for Shinnecock Bay and the Pine Barrens also has yet to be initiated, there is no doubt as to where THAT $5 million will be spent. (That would be HERE, ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 20, 17 12:08 PM
Tedious perhaps hat, for your hat is covering your listening ears.
Jun 21, 17 8:20 AM appended by Po Boy
1) Only in the mind of a political ideologue would securing $1.16 billion in funding for District 1 be considered to be "De mininims and nothing". 2) Certainly it has. Funding is the first step, a draft report has been issued, comment phase taken place. 3) The hypocrisy of your argument - it's ok if "nothing" has been done under Democrat secured funding while criticizing funding secured under a Republican isn't surprising one bit hat. It has served to further illuminate the blind demagoguery of your prejudiced argument which is void of any resemblance of rationality. 4) No, you do not support ALL proposal. You've made that clear. You've consciously supported Democrat proposals only - supporting Shinnecock Bay efforts (Democratic) while classifying those focused toward Shinnecock Inlet (Republican) as "De minimis." Rational and reasoned East Enders are fully aware the efforts of the 1.16 billion in funding Mr. Zeldin has secured is a long term proposition with a very defined process in place - a process that is well underway. You disingenuously invite residents to walk the beach to judge knowing full well no matter what is accomplished under the leadership of Mr. Zeldin, it will never be enough. You don't seriously think residents don't see that hat? Come on now.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 21, 17 8:20 AM
to Po Boy:

A compendium of deliberate misstatements.

1) Once again, the $1.16 billion will NOT all be spent in District 1 as you state, (and CERTAINLY NOT on the East End), but in District 2 as well.

2) To reiterate, nothing has been done for the East End. The final result of the inchoate process is unknowable.

3) ALL of the $5+ million dollars that Governor Cuomo has promised for Shinnecock Bay and the Pine Barrens will be spent HERE. By contrast, a vanishingly ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 21, 17 7:48 PM
hat, you're double talk is so incredibly pervasive I hardly know where to begin.

1) If I say the $1.16 billion is for District 1, please restrain YOUR presumptuousness and refrain from telling me that I said it will be ony for the East End

2) Mr. Zeldin has performed his duties admirably by supporting and ensuring funds impacting concerns of the East End were received.

3) Item 2 YOU claim the "final result of the inchoate process is unknowable" YET, you say "By contrast, ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 22, 17 5:15 PM
Po Boy, On behalf of many at 27 East ... Thank you for you senior care services
By joe hampton (2905), The Hamptons on Jun 22, 17 5:26 PM
to Po Boy:

Quotes:

"1) Only in the mind of a political ideologue would securing $1.16 billion in funding for District 1 ..."

"1) If I say the $1.16 billion is for District 1, please restrain YOUR presumptuousness and refrain from telling me that I said it will be ony for the East End
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Sweet Jesus, you SAID what you SAID, and the first statement is patently false! It is as false as if you had said that The Honorable Lee had secured ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 23, 17 12:27 AM
CALM DOWN JAY
By bigfresh (2983), north sea on Jun 23, 17 6:17 AM
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Yawn hat, you're boring me with your incessant babble, falsehoods and misdirection - BUT we are making a little progress to cast aside the patently false statement which you have more than shown you support, that "Mr. Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End". I’m pleased to see you support the dredging of the Shinnecock Inlet to which Mr. Zeldin secured funding for among many other projects impacting District 1 and the East End – all total $1.16 billion.
So YOU won’t ...more
Jun 23, 17 6:27 AM appended by Po Boy
Perhaps a Congressional 101 is in order for you hat to recalibrate the standard, for I think I see where you consciously and very intentionally err. You would like to hold Mr. Zeldin accountable for things he has at best, limited control over. By definition of job duties, Congressman introduce bills and resolutions, offer amendments and serve on committees. This is the standard Mr. Zeldin is to be held to. They do not work dredging machinery, bull dozers or particular strong arm the Army Corp of Engineers. But yes, it is reasonable to expect (as most residents would agree) Mr. Zeldin should have general awareness of the project status, short falls and problems so that HE can take steps to alleviate to the best of his authority the impact of such problems. “DONE and DONE PROPERLY” by a large falls to the Army Corp of Engineers. Mr. Zeldin in addition to securing over a billion dollars in funds that impact our District serves on two House Committees, as well as five House Subcommittees. He serves on 31 Caucuses – including co-chairing the bipartisan Long Island Sound Caucus and is a founding member of the Congressional Estuary Caucus. He proactively advocates for all things impacting the East End – ensuring that funding opportunities are maximized – including a 48 percent increase in the Fire Island to Montauk restoration project – from $600 million to $1.16 BILLION.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 23, 17 6:27 AM
to Po Boy:

You are foundering, Po Boy.

Your most recent post is a verbose, entirely unsubstantiated reiteration of your previously rebutted assertions coupled with a tedious narrative of your opinion regarding the appropriate behavior of a congressman.

Baloney. Get back to me when you want to talk SUBSTANCE.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 23, 17 10:39 AM
My OPINION of the appropriate "behavior" of a Congressman hat? My summary was nothing more than a result of a google search on the duties of a Congressman. There is nothing opinion about it. Problem is, and another fine example of your astounding hypocrisy accusing others of what you are guilty of, it is but YOUR opinion and prejudiced standard that has engulfed your entire laughable argument.
Jun 23, 17 12:35 PM appended by Po Boy
So here is your challenge hat - provide me a supportable reference that directly correlates to your position that successful performance of a Congressman requires he/she ensure that a project be "DONE and DONE PROPERLY" as you contend. I've posted my supporting narrative that shows Mr. Zeldin has routinely exceeded the standard of his role as a Congressman - that he has DONE many things on behalf of the East End - in this case - securing $1.16 BILLION in funding - NOT that of construction foreman as you falsely and prejudicially contend. My standard for success is easily verifiable anywhere on the internet as it relates to Mr. Zeldin's specific job description. Your turn now hat - time to provide verifiable supporting evidence of your claim that demonstrates a Congressman is responsible for construction standards and that a project be "DONE and DONE PROPERLY" before he/she is considered successful. Waiting... Waiting...
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 23, 17 12:35 PM
Do you realize he lives to hear himself spew his affected silliness?
By SlimeAlive (627), Southampton on Jun 23, 17 2:38 PM
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to Po Boy:

You're kidding, right? You claim that the “duties of a Congressman” have been revealed to you by "googling"[?] and then claim that Zeldin's behavior has "exceeded the standard of his role as a congressman"? Well, heck, what more need be said? (You might consider refreshing your understanding of the term, "begging the question", though.)

By contrast, "I" believe (with equal authority) that a congressman's success in representing his constituents is principally ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 24, 17 8:41 AM
Blind in your eyes hat, that's what this is really all about.... Your self righteousness.... not Mr. Zeldin. $1.16 Billion to District 1 is a lot of bacon... including several projects that will benefit the East End... Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects... and this is just ONE slice of your so called bacon. If it were a Democrat, you'd be defending the funding and happier than a pig in S**t. Please...
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 26, 17 8:16 AM
highhatsize IS Jay Sears.
By even flow (495), East Hampton on Jun 26, 17 8:33 AM
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Wait, really?? Ewwwwww!!! I can't believe I ever tried to debate anything with him. Now I feel like I need to wash my hands or something.
By localEH (228), East Hampton on Jun 28, 17 4:27 PM
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to Po Boy:

For the past several days you have done nothing but repeat previously rebutted arguments.

I won't bore readers further by repeating those rebuttals. Unless you have something new to add, I think that we're done here.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 26, 17 11:41 AM
So happy hat we were able to dispel the myths and misconceptions surrounding the blatantly false and ridiculous statement that Mr. Zeldin "hasn't done a thing for the East End."

We began with evidence of Mr. Zeldin's announcement of funding that would benefit 9/11 first responder health issues. With the goal posts moving, we then moved on to environmental issues which included his efforts on water pollution in Long Island Sound and local East End estuary programs. We then moved on to his ...more
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 27, 17 9:11 AM
to Po Boy:

Rebutted falsehoods, misconstructions, misdirections, and fanciful suppositions. Some rebutted months ago, some rebutted mere days ago, and some (God help the poor, innocent reader!) rebutted OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 27, 17 8:15 PM
ENJOY YOUR VACATION SEE YOU IN A YEAR OR SO
By Ditch Bum (314), Water Mill on Jun 28, 17 12:35 AM
It's "OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" hat because you've provided nothing more than your conflated OPINION "OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN" when the FACTS state otherwise. Give credit to Mr. Zeldin where credit is due rather than the entrenched idealogue conjecture and we'll call it a day.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 28, 17 3:32 PM
to Po Boy:

"Give credit to Mr. Zeldin where credit is due rather than the entrenched idealogue conjecture and we'll call it a day."
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As I indicated, you implicitly "called it a day" a number of days ago when your began trotting out your old discredited opinions devoid of any novel argument. Readers may slog through them again if they wish. If they go back a little further, they can read my rebuttals.

(However, if they ...more
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 28, 17 11:28 PM
$1.16 Billion dollars allocated to the District 1 Fire Island to Montauk Point restoration project...including several projects that will benefit the East End... Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects... Your illusion of that so called discredited FACT is only matched by the self righteousness and ideologue nature of your attempt to discredit it.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 29, 17 11:03 AM
to Po Boy:

You tedious, misleading post illustrates the penultimate sentence of my previous one.

Rebuttals supra.
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jun 30, 17 10:58 AM
Misleading how so?

I've offered an example of a project that has been allocated for District 1 which includes several sub projects slated for East End action. To my knowledge and short of information which you can specifically provide that says they WONT's happen, I see no difference in your planting of the flag of success for a program which HASN"T YET TAKEN PLACE as stated in this article "Mr. Cuomo announced that Albany has set aside..."

Your middle name isn't Hypocrisy is ...more
Jun 30, 17 12:42 PM appended by Po Boy
highhat size: "To reiterate, nothing has been done for the East End. The final result of the inchoate process is unknowable."
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jun 30, 17 12:42 PM
to Po Boy:

Vide, "MORE baloney. ... ", (Jun 15, 17 9:54 AM) [supra]

By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 1, 17 8:00 AM
Got it hat, you've got nothing other than your opinion. You certainly don't have anything that states East End projects included in the $1.16 billion - including Shinnecock Inlet... Westhampton and Ocean Beach... Georgica Pond... Dune Road... coastal and wetland restoration projects - won't happen. You've got zilch. Mr. Zeldin clarly IS doing positive things for the East End.
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jul 1, 17 2:22 PM
to Po Boy:

Vide, "MORE baloney. ... " (ibid.)
By highhatsize (3298), East Quogue on Jul 2, 17 9:56 AM
Well, where is your proof? I've shown $1.16 billion on the table....
By Po Boy (452), Water Mill on Jul 10, 17 7:45 AM
The left is totally unhinged about POTUS Trump and some have even gone postal.

Thank GOD and SANE voters this 4th of July that he is our President and not Lyin' Crooked Cankles !!

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