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Feb 7, 2018 10:01 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin Says He Was Outraged Over Nunes Memo

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin at press conference in Riverhead in January.  DANA SHAW
Feb 7, 2018 11:51 AM

Since the release of the “Nunes memo,” U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin has been vocal across multiple platforms about the wide swath of abuses he feels were committed by the Department of Justice and FBI during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The memo, penned by the Republican staff of the House Intelligence Committee at the direction of Chairman Devin Nunes, a Republican U.S. representative from California, centers on the process by which members of the Department of Justice and FBI obtained permission under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, to monitor former Donald Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and his ties to Russia.

In order to get permission to monitor someone through FISA, members of the intelligence community must obtain a warrant from a judge in a special FISA court, and that warrant must be renewed every 90 days, each renewal requiring a separate probable cause.

The Republican memo—and Mr. Zeldin—allege that FBI and DOJ officials withheld important information from the judge issuing the warrant, and that the monitoring of Mr. Page was politically motivated to dig up evidence to be used in the investigation of allegations of the Trump campaign’s collusion with Russia.”

In an interview on Tuesday, Mr. Zeldin took issue with many facets of the “Steele dossier,” a report put together by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, which details allegations of misconduct between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and which formed some of the basis of justification to monitor Mr. Page.

“Relative to the FISA court, they were not informed that the dossier was funded by the [Democratic National Committee] and Hillary for America. The FBI knew that Steele was a compromised source and didn’t fire him after the FISA application was submitted …” Mr. Zeldin said, listing just a couple of the ways he believes that Mr. Steele and the dossier were tainted.

Questions about whether the court knew that the dossier was partially funded by the Democratic Party groups have formed the central point of debate in the wake of the memo’s release. Democrats claim that the Republican memo omitted a footnote from the FBI in the original classified materials that explicitly acknowledges the political motivations behind the dossier, and plan to include it in their own rebutting memo, if the Trump administration clears it for public release.

Mr. Nunes and fellow House Intelligence Committee member Republican U.S. Representative Trey Gowdy of South Carolina have both acknowledged the footnote, although they claim that it is not specific enough in naming the political entities.

U.S. Representative Adam Schiff, a ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee from California, has countered that it is customary for the FBI to leave its sources unnamed.

Mr. Zeldin also takes issue with the dossier’s author himself. He claims that Mr. Steele was a “compromised source” after leaking information to various press outlets and that he held personal anti-Trump bias.

It is still unclear if Mr. Steele was rejected as a source by the FBI in October 2016, or if he left the relationship under his own steam. Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS, which is the intelligence and research firm that retained Mr. Steele to create the dossier, said in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee that Mr. Steele exited the relationship with the FBI out of concern about false information leaking to the press. That was after The New York Times published an article alleging that no connection had yet been forged between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

It has been reported that, previous to that, under the direction of Fusion at the end of September, Mr. Steele did brief reporters at various outlets including The Washington Post, The New York Times, Yahoo News, The New Yorker and CNN regarding alleged evidence of Russian interference in the election.

Additionally, before the memo’s publication, there was concern that it represented an attempt by some Republicans to undermine Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with the Russians.

However, the memo itself made clear that the special prosecutor’s investigation was sparked when George Papadopoulos, a former adviser to the Trump campaign, told an Australian diplomat that the Russians had damaging information on Hillary Clinton before the hack into DNC servers became public knowledge. The FBI opened the investigation then in June 2016, three months before the first FISA application.

Mr. Zeldin said he disagreed with President Trump, who tweeted that the memo exonerated him from possible wrongdoing in conjunction with the Mueller probe, and that the investigation should continue unimpeded.

“The best course the president can take is to continue providing documents—I think the White House has provided something like 20,000 so far—and interviews so Mueller can end his investigation quickly,” he said. He added that he would defer to Mr. Trump’s attorneys about whether Mr. Trump should submit himself to an in-person interview with Mr. Mueller.

Moving forward, Mr. Zeldin said he believes that it is an opportunity to revise the FISA court system, and that the Democrat rebuttal memo—or “Schiff’s memo”—should be released as well, as soon as the FBI’s sources and methods are redacted.

“If you’re looking at this from a neutral frame of reference, you can see that improvements need to be made to courts,” he said. “I support the Schiff memo’s release. I support more information being released than not released.”

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This November, remember:

Zeldin = Trump
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 7, 18 11:28 AM
Absolutely. Good call. Unlike Tim Bishop and whoever Zeldin's opponent might be. They equal hillary and nancy pelosi.
By even flow (574), East Hampton on Feb 7, 18 12:21 PM
Hillary who?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 7, 18 12:37 PM
Facts. Conservative kryptonite.

"Fusion in 2015 began investigating Trump under a contract with the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website financially supported by GOP megadonor Paul Singer. That assignment ended once Trump was on track to win the nomination. But in April 2016, Fusion was hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to keep funding the research. (Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained the firm.)"
Feb 7, 18 7:02 PM appended by Mr. Z
"In his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, released on Jan. 9 by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Glen R. Simpson said Steele’s memo was received favorably by the FBI because it tracked with their own intelligence. “My understanding was that they believed Chris at this point — that they believed Chris might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization,” Simpson said, apparently also a reference to Papadopoulos.]"
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 7, 18 7:02 PM
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Relevant facts. Democrat kryptonite.

It was under the Democrat led effort that the whole fiasco took shape, right down to hiring the former British spy Christopher Steele who had Russiancontacts. It is further believed it was Steele who leaked the fake dossier to multiple contacts - to include yahoo news...the FBI intelligence source that you reference. The FBI then used the dossier to make the FISA application, referencing the "corroborating" yahoo news source.
Feb 8, 18 7:55 AM appended by Po Boy
So you see Z, Republicans don't dispute the info in your post, we just admonish that it is shaded with omissions which therefor paints what really transpired in a misleading manner.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 7:55 AM
LZ supports Trump at all costs...He doesn't represent the people...He represents his ambitions...when/if the democratic memo comes out, it will show what a hypocrite he really is...
By super steve (1), southold on Feb 8, 18 2:02 PM
At all costs you say...not even close to being so. Did you miss Mr. Zeldin's counter position during tax plan vote and discussion? He aptly voiced the concerns of his constituents in District 1. He's run counter to the administration on more than one issue, and anyone who can't see that is simply blinded by emotion and ideology.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 7:09 PM
He voiced his concerns so aptly he didn't earn us any concessions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 6:34 AM
But voice his opposition he did.

He isn't on Capitol Hill alone you know.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 4:17 PM
Lee should relax and conserve his energy for a job hunt in November. Zeldin is a poor lapdog who doesn't even get a wisp of recognition from his owner. Sad.
By harbor (305), East Hampton on Feb 7, 18 12:22 PM
LONG LIVE LEE ZELDIN !!!!!!!!
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 8, 18 4:11 PM
I also wish Lee a long and healthy life, far, far from congress.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 4:20 PM
First the Nunes memo is a total flop, as it is a pack of half truths and lies. Then, the DOJ destroys their claims about Uranium One. Tough week for the GOP.
Poor babies...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 7, 18 2:45 PM
In The 1930's, The German Nazis and their American First Fascists tried to destroy the FBI ... and they failed. In the 1950's and 60's The Russian Communists and their American Comrades tried to destroy the FBI ..they failed also. So why should anybody be surprised when Putin's Neo-Nazi puppet Trump and his Fascist Teabagger partner, Zeldin try to destroy the FBI. THEY TOO WILL FAIL.
By SpeedRacer (82), Southampton on Feb 7, 18 3:48 PM
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Did you really just compare Lee Zeldin to a fascist? Lee is a Major in the US Army. Did you serve your country? Or do you hide behind the freedoms you have because of people that wrote a check to the US Government for “up to and including my life”?
By Draggerman (736), Southampton on Feb 7, 18 8:05 PM
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Our servicemen and women make the rest of our lives possible, but let's not kid ourselves: they signed up for a paycheck and benefits, not to be lauded as heroes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 7, 18 8:15 PM
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By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 7, 18 9:36 PM
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You shouldn't call servicemembers "benefit hogs," they earned their compensation packages fair and square.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 7, 18 9:43 PM
I have a question Sturgis.

Since when in this country is a child guilty for the sins of their parents? Or if one were to wax historical, since when is a son guilty of the sins of his father?

Right wing fools...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 8, 18 12:10 AM
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Being called a “Right Wing fool” by an atheist libtard...

By Draggerman (736), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 6:40 AM
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Agnostic, actually.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 8, 18 6:59 AM
Wow SH Press...Just wow. And I'm confused FBHB ....YOU, not me, suggested that service members only join for a paycheck and benefits.....Hello ????????????????????????????
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 10:41 AM
What is your suggestion Z ? We don't need the Military ? I'm a right wing fool because I recognize the necessity ?
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 10:56 AM
That's not what I said, so I'm going to paraphrase my military friends here:

Some servicemen and women are uncomfortable with the hero-worship they regularly receive because, to them, their service is a job they choose to do.

They do it with love for their country and a steadfast loyalty for their comrades in arms, but that doesn't mean they'd do it for free.

Of course I've also met veterans who were disappointed at a perceived lack of hero-worship, but that tends to be ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 10:59 AM
You're the one who brought up immigration, Sturgis not me. Commenting about the dreamers ring a bell? Or can't you recall your red ink?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 8, 18 2:13 PM
Illegal is illegal. Why is this so confusing for you ?
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 10:12 AM
American is American, what's hard to understand about that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 10:30 AM
Ok sure..How did you get here ? Legally ? I have no problem understanding the difference between legal and illegal. Nice deflection though.
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 10:40 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 11:02 AM
I'm an American citizen, regardless of how I arrived. It must eat you up inside.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 11:27 AM
@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown: So good you've become a citizen b/c I only now just learned that our genius HUD Secretary, Dr. Ben Carson, has expressed an opinion that---and I quote: "Illegal immigrants caught voting should be stripped of their citizenship."
Y'all don't have to go to Snopes. Trouble saved.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 9, 18 1:09 PM
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I know you said you had checked already, but I had to see it with my own eyes...unbelievable.
Feb 9, 18 1:41 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Just to add some value to this post: the only way to revoke a citizenship is when it was obtained fraudulently through an affirmative material misrepresentation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 1:41 PM
Well in YOUR mind you are, but that's typical with entitled people that feel the law doesn't apply to them. Sorry to disappoint but no, it doesn't " eat me up inside". I just feel bad for the legal US citizens that suffer because of people like you.
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 10, 18 10:30 AM
You still don't know how I arrived here or came to be a citizen, mate.

For all you know I arrived with a green card because my family had already been here for decades.

Maybe I don't want to tell you my legal immigration story because when you fill in the blanks, you tell us about yourself.

If it doesn't get to you, why make assumptions that put me in a bad light?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 10:39 AM
Well of course not ,I don't know you...... I'm merely stating a fact that there is a legal way and an illegal way to reside in the U.S. How am I putting you in a "bad light" ? I inquired about your entry into the country. If you feel that you are seen in a bad light that's your problem. Fill in the blanks ? The issue is legal versus illegal. This is simple stuff. It's called a slippery slope.
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 11, 18 1:45 AM
"I just feel bad for the legal US citizens that suffer because of people like you."

What's the negative connotation here? Why the assumption that I'm not a legal US citizen?
Feb 11, 18 8:11 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Who are people like me?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 8:11 AM
What ??? You're the one being coy. Legal citizens and the individuals that become citizens legally ...those people suffer.
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 13, 18 3:33 PM
So then why assume that I'm not a legal citizen?

I naturalized long ago (this I've not been coy about), isn't that the definition of legal citizenship?

How would other legal citizens suffer because of "people like me"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 3:35 PM
Sounds like something is eating YOU up inside.....
I really haven't paid that much attention to you in general so I must have missed the time you explained your status. I'm basing my opinion on your statement about what requirements need to be met to be considered a legal citizen.
By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 14, 18 5:56 PM
So what IS your opinion? How do legal US citizens that suffer because of people like me?
Feb 14, 18 7:08 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Inadvertent "that"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 7:08 PM
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By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 9:47 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:53 AM
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By Sturgis (283), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 10:24 AM
Fake outrage.

What he should be outraged about is how he and his fellow GOP'ers are destroying this country.
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 7, 18 4:14 PM
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By Toma Noku (592), Southampton on Feb 7, 18 4:42 PM
Harbor: Zeldin will win in November. You should relax and save your energy to fight the airport noise. Ten years from now Easthampton airport will be HUGE! Never buy a house near an airport, they only get bigger.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 7, 18 5:49 PM
Thank God we have a Congressman who is on or side, refreshing after the liberal tool we got of rid of, what was his name again? Consigned to the dustbin of history.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 7, 18 7:38 PM
Why is it you remind me of Tim Omundson in Woody Woodpecker?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 7, 18 7:57 PM
FBHB: Many of our military didn't "sign up", they were drafted for WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 7, 18 11:34 PM
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That's very true, at least at the time.

But the draft is long gone, and anyone still in re-enslisted as a career choice.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 7:12 AM
Draggerman... I hope in your next answer you don't write that "your mother wears army boots" or some other sophomoric line. For your information ... almost none of The Founding Fathers of this Great Country served in the Army. The same can be said for most of the Presidents of the United States. Also the majority of our Congress never were in the Military services. Trump spent the Viet Nam Era either in bed with as many young girls as he could impress with his father's money, or under his bed afraid ...more
By SpeedRacer (82), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 1:31 AM
Democrats' strategy has become a rude request to their opponents to resign. That's because they have no ideas, no rising stars, no platform, they stand for nothing and their brand is finished. Thus, their only hope is that someone resigns.
By SlimeAlive (729), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 7:13 AM
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Nice shiner Porter gave his ex-wife. All "the best people" eh? Seems more like a "bad hombre" to me.
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 8, 18 9:42 AM
Well, it’s clear now what gets people worked up. I suggested that a piece on Zeldin and the Nunes memo would elicit comment, and It has. I was initially confused by the headline, “Zeldin Outraged” by memo, implying that he was against it, but of course the fact, and the story, is that he’s in complete sympathy with the memo and his “outrage” is against the FBI and the Department of Justice. Bad call, Lee.

It’s equally clear which dog Lee Zeldin ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1781), Quiogue on Feb 8, 18 9:58 AM
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The Honorable's biased appraisal of the memo isn't newsworthy. What else did we expect?

What IS newsworthy is Zeldin's refusal to endorse Trump's claim that the memo exhonerated him, and his assertion that the investigation should continue. The whiskers of his twitchy nose have evidently detected a change in the wind.

We will see more of this in the months to come as the evidence of Trump's criminality increases. By the time he resigns, ALL the rats will have paddled as far ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 8, 18 10:26 AM
We can only hope that the Republicans in congress wise up and distance themselves from Trump sooner than later and then I will be happy to drive their asses out of office for being so stupid to align themselves with him in the first place.
By JulieLevine (1), Jericho, New York on Feb 8, 18 2:32 PM
The Faustian bargain has already been completed, the tax scam is law and dozens of Republicans in both houses of Congress are refusing to run for re-election now that their work is done.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 2:40 PM
There hasn't been one item of evidence put forth thus far of evidence of criminality by our President. Something can't increase as it is sold, if it has never existed. If any evidence is put forth, then, it would come to light. To the contrary, we've seen scores of examples a damning evidence against the Democrat held positions.

All this leads Mr. Zeldin to take the position he has. Well done Mr. Zeldin!!

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 12:34 PM
Actually, Trump met almost all of the elements necessary for obstruction of justice, all they have left to do prove is intent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 12:59 PM
Bull!
Feb 8, 18 6:13 PM appended by Po Boy
I love how everything about this case that was all about collusion with Russia NEVER as anything to do with collusion with Russia. Like the old saying goes, you can indict a ham sandwich.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 6:13 PM
Zeldin cannot open his mouth without demonstrating what an idiot he is.
By Jolly Roger (8), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 2:06 PM
And what a bunch of Trump trolls infecting these comments. Get some high-octane roach killer, fast.
By Jolly Roger (8), Southampton on Feb 8, 18 2:08 PM
The schism between the left and right in this country is astounding. There is solid proof of criminal wrongdoing by the Democrat Party yet the left fails to acknowledge it,they have been blinded by their hatred of President Trump. He's draining the swamp and the critters are freaking out.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 8, 18 2:59 PM
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Well, the DOJ clearly doesn't see things your way. It must be a conspiracy, LOL...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 8, 18 5:46 PM
Well, the DOJ clearly doesn't see things your way. It must be a conspiracy, LOL.

We don't hate Trump, but it's hard for someone with more than a modicum of intelligence to support a pathological liar. Actually scratch that, it's not possible.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 8, 18 5:50 PM
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I think Lee Zelden is right on this issue. The Democrats continue to harp on the phony Russian influence story on the Trump campaign in the 2016 election while their supporters in the FBI, our national police force, were breaking laws to support their canadate Ms. Clinton. The FBI should be an unbiased police force without a political agenda and not be used to influence elections.
By Ernie (75), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 3:54 PM
When investigating crimes, the FBI doesn't care if the accused is a pauper or the pope.

Do you really believe political figures should be immune from investigation?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 4:04 PM
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"When investigating crimes, the FBI doesn't care if the accused is a pauper or the pope."

**Looks at the FBI handled Bush's and Clinton's Federal crimes**

Lmao, nope. Try again. FBI clearly plays favorites.
By TrueHamptons (16), Sag Harbor on Feb 8, 18 4:14 PM
You're free to hold an opinion, it just matters less than the FBI's.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 4:19 PM
"When investigating crimes, the FBI doesn't care if the accused is a pauper or the pope."

Those in the FBI weren't investigating crimes, they were setting policy toward the investigation of crimes. Big difference. It would be nice if this were actually true, but at the highest level of the FBI, sadly it was not.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 6:34 PM
It's like you think a handful of people make all of the FBI's decisions absent scrutiny or independent thought by underlings. I have a better opinion of Law enforcement.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 6:32 AM
Is that what I think?

My opinion of law enforcement especially given that I am one, is that the many have issue with the actions of the few for it tarnishes the good work of the many and they would like to see the few held accountable. If you think the "underlings" have any impact or say in political decisions or policy, you truly are clueless.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 12:12 PM
So, as Law enforcement, you of all people know what to do when you receive illegal orders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 12:28 PM
Well, you watch too many movies... but yes, of course. Unless I'm knowingly or unwittingly involved in the illegal order and unless the order is given at such levels that you either protect it or believe it too or because you carry it out out of fear. I watch movies too. It's like a prosecutors who has a crazy high conviction rate who will stop at nothing to maintain the rate, even jading evidence to their benefit. Procedure and protocol goes right out the window.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:38 PM
So the teams of attorneys who wrote the applications for surveillance were incapable of determining their application was improper?

Nah, it was proper.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 4:06 PM
Stick to immigration law.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 4:15 PM
Another topic I'm confident in my knowledge of!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 4:57 PM
Every time Chuckie boy, the mad hatter, maxine waters, botox pelosi , open their mouth Trump gains more supporters. What a lineup of freaks. Come on dems you can do better than this. Remember JFK, Truman, FDR? They were real Democrats.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 4:14 PM
For the uninformed: the mad hatter is that loud mouthed loon Fredirica Wilson from Florida. And lets not forget Al "the molester" Franken, and Anthony Weiner. Todays Democrats are truly a pathetic bunch of degenerates.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 4:56 PM
Isn't there a Holocaust denier running for Congress? What party does he belong to, again?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 8, 18 5:14 PM
Oy Vey Fore. That's a new low you've hit there. You want to take another look at that one??

He called the political system a "two party Jew party system" and essentially denounced BOTH parties in his rants. The Illinois Republican Party and National Republican Congressional Committee have denounced Jones and voiced their strong opposition to his candidacy.
Feb 8, 18 6:59 PM appended by Po Boy
It never ceases to amaze me how one side of the political spectrum is continuously hell bent at making arguments by painting facts through omissions or even blatantly misleading or false "facts".
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 8, 18 6:59 PM
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Last time I looked around, you'd be hard pressed to find a Democrat who's a Creationist. Just sayin...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 9, 18 12:38 AM
So what you're saying is that no Republicans will vote for him in November?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 6:31 AM
"So what you're saying...."

I love that.

Again with the straw man....

If you want to know what I'm saying...reread the post.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 9:06 AM
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Don't forget the accused child molester who was also from what party?

They both have R next to their name on the ballot and had conservative support. That's a Republican, hands down.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 9:46 AM
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How could we forget, you insulted and attacked their intelligence.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 12:03 PM
I'm sorry the good people of Alabama thought the allegations were more credible than you did.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 12:58 PM
Telling people what they think is a form of covert abuse. Just sayin'.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:20 PM
Drawing inferences from ballot results is not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:31 PM
No ballots had yet been cast.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:45 PM
What are you talking about? The good people of Alabama said "NO" to the accused child molester.

A slim majority, anyway.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:49 PM
LOL, now they're the good people of Alabama since he lost. When you though he would win, you had a very different opinion of the good people of Alabama.

Remember our discussion on state-wide intelligence levels? I defended it...you attacked it.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 4:14 PM
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And by not electing an accused child molester they proved me wrong, see how that works?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 6:34 PM
Could Foreign be the reincarnation of Phil?
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 8, 18 10:53 PM
...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 9, 18 12:39 AM
I thought Christians don't believe in reincarnation?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 8:56 AM
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So what you're saying is, yes?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 9:19 AM
Lol, I'm actually everyone except you, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 9:43 AM
Try as you will to give me my opinion.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 12:04 PM
Po Boy: Don't know you but you are brilliant, great debater. Best posts on this sight. Always look forward to your logical reasoning. We use common sense, they use nonsense.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 9, 18 12:14 PM
*Site.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 12:28 PM
Mr. Boy, a self-proclaimed "lawman", is so "brilliant" that he doesn't even know that trump's been under sealed indictment since May. Said indictment is a basis for impeachment under which he's already been placed on the floor of the House by Rep. Green of Texas. Said indictment doesn't even include obstruction.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 9, 18 12:44 PM
Thanks PR, we're all just soldiers fighting a war to save this great Nation. Carry on and take the fight o them!

June, if they're sealed, how do YOU know?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:05 PM
Now that we have another LEO in here, maybe he can tell us what you're supposed to do when you receive illegal orders.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:12 PM
Come to the SHP site and respond to ridiculous questions, of course.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:15 PM
Come to the SHP site and respond to ridiculous questions, of course.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:15 PM
The correct answer is "disobey."

Why didn't all those underlings at the FBI disobey the orders you think were illegal?

Because they weren't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:21 PM

"...you think..."

Yawn....
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:25 PM
Well, sometimes you do.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:30 PM
June Bug: You are getting me, P. Revere, mixed up with Po Boy. Po Boy is the brilliant one, I am the "lawman". I called Po Boy brilliant in my last post, and he is. Please elaborate regarding the "sealed indictment" ...... what are your sources, facts, etc.
By P. Revere (71), hampton Bays on Feb 9, 18 1:53 PM
Po Boy also acknowledged his profession up top. Ya'll have lots in common!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 2:00 PM
Fore, I told you that two months ago, and you said you had similar experiences, and I said, "BS" based on your response on an issue.

Apparently, the three of us have lots in common.

I'm just reading PR's comment to June, and he asked the very question that struck me as odd. We're both, like the President, stable genius' I guess. Get em' PR!
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:11 PM
I never said I was an LEO, I said I had been previously involved in the criminal justice system.

I am also curious as to the alleged incoming indictment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:18 PM
LMAO!!!! "Previously involved in the criminal justice system.... HAHAHAHAHA."

Priceless! I bet.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:22 PM
Sigh. Against my better judgement and policy toward personal information on the internet, I'll simply say I've spent more time in criminal court than most people.

You'll probably just assume it was in orange anyway.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:29 PM
I have no opinion on your choice of wardrobe, just the continued telling me what I think. In reality, it's what you think, and that is your burden to bear.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:43 PM
So I think that the FBI's orders were illegal? You should work on your theory.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 9, 18 3:52 PM
Huh? Where did I say that?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 4:15 PM
. . . . no heary ingly.
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 10, 18 8:21 AM
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Morning PW! You exemplary American, you! I truly wish all my neighbors were carbon copies of this guy.

Po, that's what I took this to mean: "just the continued telling me what I think. In reality, it's what you think"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 8:55 AM
"You'll probably just assume it was in orange anyway."
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 7:53 AM
So I think I was in orange? Theory still needs work.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 8:21 AM
@ Po Boy

Quotes:

"So you see Z, Republicans don't dispute the info in your post, we just admonish that it is shaded with omissions which therefor paints what really transpired in a misleading manner."

"It never ceases to amaze me how one side of the political spectrum is continuously hell bent at making arguments by painting facts through omissions or even blatantly misleading or false 'facts'."
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Please, ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 9, 18 2:36 PM
Reading... ok, nothing of substance... nothing... nothing...

Have a great day hat!
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 9, 18 3:12 PM
POLL: TRUMP APPROVAL NEARS 50%... Friday, February 09, 2018

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Gives media more access than Obama...New York Times photographer: Trump gives us more access than Obama

MAGA
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 10, 18 1:07 AM
You forgot your stock market cheerleading. This is why any President doesn't get too high with the highs knowing that they are not directly responsible for the actions of the market except your dumb ass child liar-in-chief. Here is the orange cheetohs knowledge of the market, if the news is good, why doesn't the market go up. Yup, this is the moron in charge.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 10, 18 8:12 AM
Saturday News:

Trump prohibits release of the Democratic version of "the memo" in the face of the UNANIMOUS vote of the Intelligence Committee (both Republicans and Democrats) to permit it, citing the very national security concerns that he ignored in approving the Republican version. Res ipsa loquitur.

Yet another White House staffer resigns (Rob Porter following multiple allegations of sexual battery by former wives.) Chief of Staff John F. Kelly offers to resign as well. ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 10, 18 8:28 AM
so much hatred for a man doing a wonderful job. why do you invest so much time trying to get anything bad to stick to a good man.
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 10, 18 8:39 AM
Because not everyone agrees that he's "doing a wonderful job."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 8:56 AM
They just conveniently let that whole "Thou shalt not lie" thing fall by the wayside when it's not convenient for them.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 11, 18 12:43 AM
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NEWS CORP CEO ADMITS HE WANTS INTERNET CENSORED SO NEWS CORP CAN MAKE MORE MONEY
“The potential returns for our journalism would be far higher”

Sounds like the S H press
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 10, 18 8:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up Comrade. Why not research a bit about how the FBI protects our country from Russian infiltration? You might learn something:
"The November 11, 2010, issue of Kommersant, Russia's broadsheet, carried an article[28][29] that, with reference to unnamed RF government sources, contained allegations that the "illegals" were fingered by a senior SVR officer named "Colonel Shcherbakov" (according to an unnamed ex-CIA source, his full name may be Александр ...more
By dfree (390), hampton bays on Feb 10, 18 10:09 AM
"They were the target of a multi-year investigation by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI investigation, called Operation Ghost Stories, culminated at the end of June 2010 with the arrest of ten individuals in the US and an eleventh suspect in Cyprus.[3] Ten sleeper agents were charged with "carrying out long-term, 'deep-cover' assignments in the United States on behalf of the Russian Federation."[4][5][6]"
By dfree (390), hampton bays on Feb 10, 18 10:12 AM
Poll: Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Believe Obama ‘Improperly Surveilled’ Trump Campaign
by JOHN NOLTE10 Feb 2018
An IBD/TIPP poll shows that “Americans overwhelmingly believe the Obama administration ‘improperly surveilled’ Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.”
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 10, 18 11:12 AM
Sessions better come to life with indictments in the next 30 days, or it's time to march on DC.
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 10, 18 11:14 AM
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Public opinion polls on surveillance?

Why don't you tell us what the public thinks about monetary policy next. Maybe we can choose interest rates at the voting booth.

Let Law enforcement enforce the law. If we disagree with the law (and we should here, FISA courts are bravo sierra, to take one from Big Fresh) let's change it!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 11:18 AM
Yes lets enforce the laws, Obama and his cronies (including globalist RINOS) essentially spent 8 years turning the federal government into the strong arm branch of the neo-Marxist Obama administration. They openly violated federal law at will. Obama and his administration egregiously interfered with the 2016 elections through illegal spying, unmasking, leaking, and hiding information. Now more evidence emerges every day that the Democrats (rather than Trump) are guilty of collusion with Russia to ...more
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 10, 18 11:21 AM
Nah, that's not what I said.

The current FISA laws turn the FISC into a rubber-stamp procedure, regardless of who the target is. Due Process rights are indeed violated because the courts lack oversight and accountability.

I won't address the rest of your comment because it uses words like "neo-marxist" and "globalist ilk" which are not signs of a constructive talk.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 11:30 AM
So, you have massive anger issues. There's counseling for that.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 11, 18 12:45 AM
@ They call me & P Revere & joe hampton & loading... & Undocumented Democrat & Taz

Madness.

Every single one of your six assertions is a lie. (You COULD show me your evidence [he said facetiously].)

If your decision whether or not to cross the street depended on the same perception that you employ in political matters you would all long ago have become roadkill.
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 11, 18 8:44 AM
The top three nominees for this year's Persona Non Grata appear directly above !
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 11, 18 9:45 AM
Frankly, I'd be more insulted by a compliment from this guy^
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 10:00 AM
In that case, I apologize.
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 12, 18 10:38 AM
Folks living in "Separate Realities" might be well advised to wake up, and to realize that common ground cannot be found.

By definition . . . :)

"You can't get there from here!"

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (240), Sag Harbor on Feb 11, 18 8:00 AM
Boycott Macys
Macy’s has come under fire after announcing an upcoming fashion collection catered to Muslim shoppers, featuring hijabs and more modest clothing options.

The hijab is male domination and subjugation of women - as the brave women of Iran are trying to show the world. You're aiding and abetting this abuse. My family is done with Macys.
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 11, 18 12:31 PM
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I'll bet five dollars Ditch gives a boycott credit for Macy's impending store closures when they've been dying a slow death for a while.

Can't blame them for wanting to expand their market.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 12:35 PM
So you see nothing wrong with fmg, fore? how about the rest of the people the radical culture openly abuses ?
Feb 11, 18 12:55 PM appended by Erin 27 E
fgm
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 11, 18 12:55 PM
You're conflating which bearded man in the sky people make wishes to with barbaric and outdated cultural practices that have no place in the modern world and are not practiced by educated people.
Feb 11, 18 1:03 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I called it a barbaric and outdated cultural practice, I don't know how much more explicit a person can be UD.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 1:03 PM
Can't blame them for wanting to expand their market.

Looks to me they are going to lose more than they gain, sounds like the NFL strategy
Feb 11, 18 1:04 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
take note he did not answer your question Erin !
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 11, 18 1:04 PM
Well the NFL got boycotted from both ends (anti-Kap and pro-Kap groups) and, here, they'll only get boycotted by one group (people angry about the decision to sell headscarfs) while gaining a market (people who want to buy headscarfs).

Unless the group of angry people is that much larger than the group of headscarf consumers, they'll probably be fine. I can't tell you the last time I went into Macy's, but I might go in and buy a headscarf just to make sure angry people have one less place ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 1:10 PM
I stand with Israel. Unless someone puts a boot on their neck, the 7th century Radical Islamic savages will destroy Western Civilization. Nothing less can be expected from a Stone Age theocracy that views suicide for the sake of Jihad to be the pinnacle of human achievement. The left and radical Islam share a common hatred of Christianity which is why the left supports these barbarians.
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 11, 18 1:11 PM
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This leftist feels equal disdain for all the Abrahamic religions. At least scientology is honest about being a business.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 1:14 PM
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@Ditch Bum: But all this time we thought you were all in for free market capitalism!
It is to laugh---if you're so concerned about subjugation, domination and abuse of women, how is it we haven't heard so much as a whisper from you about the refusal of the (credibly accused abuser) president of the United States or his enablers in the Republican party to denounce this scourge?
Make no mistake, Bum's high dudgeon is nothing more than an objection to providing a service for ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 11, 18 1:22 PM
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so when is macy’s launching its clothing line geared toward jews? christians? hindus? buddhists? yes, boycott macy’s for exonerating misogyny and promoting misogyny. the islamic veil is the ultimate symbol of misogyny and partriarchy. tell me june would you also promote nazi apparel ? would you promote aztec human sacrifce apparel ? take that thing off you head now ladies and support the brave womaen of iran in there fight ! boycott sharia, boycott macy’s
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 11, 18 2:28 PM
I'd wager they'd launch those lines when they can make money off of it. I'd also agree that, where compelled, head scarves are misogynist and oppressive.

Thankfully our government and culture does not compel it. Enjoy your boycott!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 2:44 PM
Oh please. A trumpette cares about women? Realize how foolish you look? Guess not.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 11, 18 3:08 PM
Erin thinks it's ok for a man to punch a woman in the face so long as they're on the RIGHT side of the aisle.
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 14, 18 12:06 PM
Don't be fooled by his backtracking and re-positioning on this and other issues. Lee Zelidn is a goose stepping Trumpite to the core! He does not represent the views of the majority of the people in his district. He must go in November.


By fritzdaddy (16), southampton on Feb 11, 18 9:20 AM
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Peeling back the layers of Hillary Clinton’s deceit
By Michael Goodwin February 10, 2018 AP
MORE FROM:
MICHAEL GOODWIN

The GOP memo proves the 'deep state' is real

Donald Trump is teaching Republicans how to fight

Sorry, skeptics, Trump's tax plan is actually working wonders

Evidence suggests a massive scandal is brewing at the FBI
For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer ...more
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 11, 18 1:34 PM
Boy, if you think the FBI was trying to help Clinton win you weren't paying attention on October 28, 2016.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 1:40 PM
Thanks for the "deep state" heads up, Comrade.

Here's another one for you to investigate:
"...the President was in dire financial straits at the time and sold it for $30 million less than its appraised value.

“In the context of the President’s then-precarious financial position, I believe that the Palm Beach property sale warrants further scrutiny,” Wyden wrote to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin."
By dfree (390), hampton bays on Feb 11, 18 2:42 PM
Karma really is a mf'er. I hate when emails show up when you thought were deleted, and at such an inconvenient time no less. Comey had a moment of clarity after the exoneration brief months earlier and couldn't justify nor defend hiding the new found emails and had no choice other than to communicate their existence in relation to the Weiner investigation. How would it have looked if Comey didn't release the information, and Hillary had won?

Make no mistake, Comey was covering his behind.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 8:37 AM
Considering the "new found emails" were CC's to the same old stuff they had, it probably would have looked as it does now: nothing.

In any event, it's just one example of how the FBI was not trying to help Clinton win the election, nor trying to make her lose.

The dedicated men and women at the FBI, up and down the flagpole, were doing the best job they possibly could.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 8:48 AM
The FBI are no dummies. They know full well when to come clean, and when not to. Leadership of the FBI were made into political pawns and that fact ultimately caught up with them when the emails were found on Weiner's computer.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 9:28 AM
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What did who say to what FBI agent that turned them into a political pawn? I'll wait.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 9:31 AM
Who said someone said something to what FBI agent that turned them into a political pawn. I'll wait too.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 11:45 AM
So then how were they "made into political pawns"? (your words)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 12:23 PM
For example, changing language from "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless" which essentially exonerated Hillary, when it clearly qualified under the more egregious charge.

"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

~ James Comey

You don't think that's a political decision in light of a presidential candidacy and efforts ...more
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 12:58 PM
What evidence do you have that it was a politically-motivated decision?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 1:06 PM
Fore, come on now, don't play games. You are well aware of the text messages and proven political slant of those involved.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 1:42 PM
Everyone's got a political opinion, the question is whether those political opinions affected one's work. In my view, that burden has not been met.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 1:47 PM
I'd suggest you look closer at the totality of the text messages and combine it with all the other shenanigans that has come to light.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:12 PM
I suppose a reasonable person could read a conspiracy into the blanks, but I don't see a smoking gun.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:30 PM
Henry Rollins: Education is the End of Disaster Capitalism
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 11, 18 4:16 PM
Mark Levin quote "Obamas gone into witness protection, nobody knows where he is any more"
President Trump is sending The Florida Skunk Ape, "The "Swamp Thing" the "Fouke Monster" the "Cajun Werewolf" the "Creature from the Black Lagoon" and all the rest after you swamp critters. There is nowhere to hide.

This is the week the AG must admit Comey and Lynch were receiving there marching orders from the top!
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 11, 18 11:04 PM
When you come back down from dreamland make sure you bring me a Ferrari.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 11, 18 11:24 PM
Dose of reality:

Water & Power: A California Heist


Public resources, privatized for profit. Modern capitalism isn't a sustainable "free market". It's a virus that kills is host.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 4:17 AM
A "regulatory quagmire of California water rights' sounds like a failure of government. The trailer even says this, "In California's convoluted water system, water barons find ways to structure a state-engineered system to their own advantage."

Well, there you go.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 8:12 AM
So private industry captures regulatory bodies and uses them to their advantage?

At what other level of government are we seeing this?

Doesn't the secretary of Ed have student loan business holdings, or something?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 8:24 AM
It is the role of government to promote for the general welfare of the people. It doesn't get any more general and basic, than water. The state privatized water rights in 1994 and the California government (governors and congressman mind you) has been bought and paid for over the years by those that exploit the water system.

I don't consider water rights to be on the same plane as a student loan. Other than that, I'm not sure where you're going with that "point."
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 11:22 AM
That industry capture of regulatory bodies is not political, but constant across party and sector. Oil&gas runs the EPA, private loans run the DOE, and big banks run Consumer Protection bodies.

This is all par for the course, if you're paying attention.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 11:30 AM
So there is your dose of reality Z, it's all par for the course...

If you're paying attention.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 11:42 AM
Capitalism will survive and continue to thrive in or great nation, despite the whining and hand wringing from the leftists. The California water situation shows what happens when the government becomes too powerful and over reaching, just what the left is trying to force on us.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 11:43 AM
It's more an example of the tragedy of the commons.

Where public and private resources are available, private actors will invariably consume the public resource first to depletion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 1:09 PM
It was "capitalists" who sidewinded their way into privatizing public resources. It doesn't get much more scummy than that.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 3:07 PM
seems as if you want either a communist of Marxist system JuneZ, a system that does not reward success but inspires mediocrity , a system that does not lift the less successful up, but brings the hardest working , most successful down to their level, a system where all are equal. Sorry, that misguided experiment has failed every time it's been tried and runs counter to the basic instincts of mankind.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 3:21 PM
Socialism is useful in certain contexts, as is capitalism. The problem arises where we go too far in either direction. The mixed system is best.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 3:25 PM
Seems as if your ability to perceive is dysfunctional and your delusions have taken over. You won't be happy to learn there is not a single Marxist communist on this thread, but there is not.
1) Capitalism is an economic system, not a form of government.
2) Government run by capitalist bosses for their own benefit is Fascism. (Can't argue we're not there.)
3) Democratic Socialism is government in the public interest that regulates the excesses and abuses of capitalism, and ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 12, 18 4:29 PM
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Mark Twain —

“Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference!”

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (240), Sag Harbor on Feb 12, 18 4:58 PM
Nah, it's pretty obvious who the least educated fool involved with this thread is.

He has never stopped persisting in his ignorance or living by the propaganda he's been fed and regurgitates. American "capitalism" tossed the middling sorts overboard forty years ago.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 8:16 PM
Where are all the Tea baggers? Only one had some nuts, Rand Paul. Increased spending and tax cuts, where did that leave us with Reagen and Bush? Where's Ted Cruz shutting the government down for this approach? Massive tax cuts where the rich will really rake it in. I hope the middle class enjoys it's once a month dinner out at Chipotle.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 12, 18 5:47 AM
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It's really simple. Putin needed to get sanctions lifted. He had his useful idiot in l'il donnie johnny who has laundered russian money through his casinos and was in debt to Putin for bankrolling his failing real estate business.Tillerson was brought in for his Russian medals to get Exxon Mobil on board to start prospering even more. Wait till Syria winds down and who runs in there to get a piece of it. Russia is going to get Assad back in power and all we've done is fought to help the Russians ...more
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 12, 18 6:00 AM
TRUMP DECLARES WAR ON MS-13 GANG
Feb 12, 18 9:49 AM appended by 27dan
President Trump will unveil his long-awaited infrastructure plan on Monday.Infrastructure by leveraging local and state tax dollars and private investment. "Together, we will reclaim our building heritage," he said. "We will build gleaming new roads, bridges, highways, railways, and waterways across our land."
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 12, 18 9:49 AM
what a peaceful morning in the news thank you once again for working so hard to keep america safe president trump.
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 12, 18 10:01 AM
Eighteen school shootings since beginning of year plus mass murder massacres in Las Vegas and Sunderland, yup he's really keeping America safe.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 12, 18 10:59 AM
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On the other hand, that's completely normal now and fully compatible with a peaceful morning.
Feb 13, 18 11:02 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I remember a time when people would have argued with me saying mass murder is normal. I miss that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 11:02 AM
Uh...commonplace...

Normal, uh...no.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 13, 18 9:28 AM
Finally! Someone stands for sanity!

Commonplace, routine, ordinary and normal are all synonyms, and all apply.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 9:36 AM
I get your point Fore, no one is arguing with Webster, however, normal alludes to state of mind and is inappropriately absent of context or even outright misleading given the circumstances of the majority of these events.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:40 AM
You want context? "It's normal/routine/ordinary/commonplace for a person with mental health issues to obtain access to firearms, walk into a school, snuff out young lives, and be met with collective prayers, handwringing, and shrugs from elected officials."

I'm not even talking about gun control anymore, that ship has sailed, let's get some federal grants for burly vets to meet troublemakers at the door. If they're good enough to protect our freedoms thousands of miles away they can protect ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:57 AM
"handwringing, and shrugs"

There's not a normal person out there who is indifferent on the issue. "Handwringing and shrugs" doesn't mean they wouldn't solve the problem, if the problem could be solved within the bounds of a free society.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 9:32 AM
Inaction = collective hand-wringing and shrugs
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:37 AM
Sometimes no action is action just as no decision is in itself, a decision.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 11:22 AM
Yes, a decision to do nothing should make us all feel safe.
Feb 15, 18 11:26 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And reinforces the fact that there is nothing TO do because this is normal.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 11:26 AM
There is nothing to do, not because it is commonplace, but because it is a complex issue that speaks to the fabric of the Constitution and virtually unsolvable through any form of legislation. This is a much larger issue that speaks to the decay of societal norms and values.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 11:55 AM
You heard it, folks. There's nothing we can possibly do.

Go about your days and hug your kids extra tight when they leave for school in the morning.

You know I'm not even proposing gun control anymore, right?

Do you think better-armed security in schools could prevent some deaths?

What do you say to former vets greeting people at the door?

Do you have ANY ideas?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 12:01 PM
You know Fore, it's not even worth it when you misquote and take out of context what's written.

What do you think "virtually unsolvable by any form of legislation" mean to you?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 6:57 PM
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Nowhere in that comment did I read any ideas on how to stop school shootings specifically or mass murder in general.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 7:19 PM
No where were we really talking solutions.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:46 PM
BF and I were having a good discussion about federal funded mandates down below
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:15 PM
Ahh....you agree with him... it sure it is a splendid conversation.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:25 PM
Actually we agreed on the idea but not where the money should come from.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:29 PM
Well bravo.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:41 PM
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Well bravo.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:41 PM
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Just a year ago all of the smart people were mocking Donald Trump for being insane enough to suggest the Obama administration had surveilled or as he put it wiretapped his campaign. What a paranoid lunatic they said, 'Get off Twitter!' Yeah. Now we know what actually happened.

Hey liberal media how do you like our new system where you do not have a monopoly on news? Not so much? Not to worry. Plenty of people really really like it. Its a little thing called free speech.

All voices ...more
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 12, 18 10:15 AM
Nobody cares that every Tom, Dick, and Harry has a politi-blog now. 99% of people tune them out anyway.

As to the criminal investigation that took place during the Obama administration, there's been zero proof of wrongdoing or politically-motivated acts by the government.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 10:18 AM
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Obviously just like the tangerine toddler you worship, evidence is optional when making an opinion. Delusional and dishonest with no transparency is all your about tcm. What's your EVIDENCE?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 12, 18 11:06 AM
where is the evidence from the left regarding their fantasy of Trump collusion with the evil "Russians"? Seems as if Hillary and the DNC paid the Russians in an attempt to dig up some dirt on President Trump.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 11:38 AM
Time will tell, facts don't care about opinions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 12:43 PM
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"If it's what you say I love it."

- Donnie Half Scoop
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 3:10 PM
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Using the IRS to go after conservative organizations was certainly politically motivated Phil.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 11:08 AM
I thought the discussion was about the FBI's investigation of Trump associates?

The IRS indeed overstepped its mandate in applying greater scrutiny to conservative-sounding names and suffered the consequences.
Feb 12, 18 11:13 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Regardless, the injury was minor, simply the difference between being labeled a 501(c)(3) or (c)(4), and did not stop any organization from performing its charitable work.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 11:13 AM
"and did not stop any organization from performing its charitable work."

Of course it did. 501c's can't operate as a charitable deductible organization until they are given approval to do so. It impacts their charitable work and ability to raise funds. You may consider that a "minor injury" as a Democrat whose preferred party won the election, but republicans may disagree.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 12, 18 11:52 AM
The ability to raise funds for political purposes in a post-Citizens United world is admittedly not near the top of my concerns.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 12:21 PM
"Phil"?

Someone's been nipping at alternative facts again...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 3:12 PM
People can call me whatever they like if they're still reading my musings.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 3:23 PM
Mets fan ? OMG ! could it be ?
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 12, 18 9:46 PM
Could it be you're an idiot?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:11 PM
Who cares if Phil is back in disguise, the important thing is he no longer receives credit for his hateful dishonest rhetoric. he is a limp tool at best
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 12, 18 11:22 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm everyone except you, UD.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 6:52 AM
So the ends justify the means?
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 3:14 PM
(assuming you're asking me) where did I say that?

The IRS got it's deserved comeuppance, the affected groups got an apology, and future generations will have the guidance of a court decision on what is and is not acceptable scrutiny.

The rare win-win-win scenario.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 3:20 PM
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The Obama administration skated.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 3:23 PM
The way you reply makes it really hard to understand who you're talking to.

If you start typing into the bottom box your new reply will always show up at the bottom.

If you click "Reply" under a particular post and type into the box that appears, you're going to reply in-context with the post you intended to reply to.
Feb 12, 18 3:27 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Assuming by "The Obama Administration" you mean someone in the White House should have been punished, I'd ask "why?" Did the order come down from the White House, or were the administrators at the IRS to blame?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 3:27 PM
It's been at least nine years, and he still hasn't figured it out yet...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 3:54 PM
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LOL

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (240), Sag Harbor on Feb 12, 18 5:01 PM
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DUMBASS!


I wish it weren't true.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:09 PM
Former president of Georgia arrested in Ukraine by Israeli agents and deported to Poland by a Turkish judge using a Vietnamese translator, by way of a French airplane, with a Dutch pilot and Moroccan crew. Belgium
source: bbc.com
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:14 PM
"Capitalism" should piss you off lately. "Lately" meaning four decades...

Insert your own Mad Lib here...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:19 PM
"Capitalism" in action:


Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach sits on board of 'veterans group' that spends 94 percent of donations on fundraisers
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:23 PM
Teddy Roosevelt Progressive WAVE'S UP.

Denigrate our Wilderness for profit?

F**K Y*U.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 10:28 PM
Do you have a cogent point to make?
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 12, 18 10:42 PM
Yes. Rampant speculation raises suicide rates. Profiting at the expense of humanity in the short term is just pathetic.

You not only misunderstand commonwealth, it's obsolete definition escapes your narrow scope.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 13, 18 12:09 AM
There's a great cartoon by Marc Benioff that depicts a businessman in a ragged suit sitting at a campfire telling some children a story.

The caption goes: "Yes, the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 8:57 AM
Sounds like Gahan Wilson.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 13, 18 11:31 PM
Just looked it up, I got it from Benioff's Twitter but the artist is Tom Toro.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 7:21 AM
CNN, DESPITE TRUMP BUMP, PREPARES FOR DOZENS OF LAYOFFS,

Gee I wonder why ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 12, 18 11:19 PM
Why? It's in the article... GASP!

"Several high profile digital initiatives are being scaled back, including CNN’s virtual reality productions and its efforts on Snapchat, where CNN recently nixed a live daily webcast after just four months. CNN’s business-oriented MoneyStream app, as BuzzFeed reported earlier this month, is in the gutter as well. A team that works on the digital extensions of documentary-style TV shows, such as Anthony Bourdain’s Parts Unknown and Lisa ...more
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 13, 18 9:54 AM
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Anthony Bourbain's Parts Unknown is the only thing worth watching on the Clinton News Network.
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 13, 18 12:27 PM
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God money, do anything for you...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 13, 18 1:14 AM
@ Po Boy & Undocumented Democrat

["sigh"]

The tendentiously edited, plagiarized article from Vanity Fair* omits the facts that CNN profits are record-breaking; that while CNN envisions dismissing (possibly) 50 employees, it has hired 200 additional employees within the last 18 months; that the cuts are occurring in the "digital media" area of its business (a field in which, as the article states, "the past year has turned out to be a cruel one for just about any business that ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 13, 18 12:20 PM
Trump Makes Gains Ahead of Midterms
Political experts say rise in net approval ratings among voters reflects in part a solid U.S. economy

BY CAMERON EASLEY
February 13, 2018

In January, 44% of voters approved of Trump’s job performance; 51% disapproved
January rating represents 2-point rise from September, 4-point increase from November.

President Donald Trump is beginning the second year of his term with his popularity on the upswing.

That’s ...more
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 13, 18 12:24 PM
THIS B S HAS TO STOP !

Leftist Google Employees Conspire To Undermine Breitbart’s Ad Revenue

Google is increasingly similar to Big Brother's Oceania in

by ALLUM BOKHARI13 Feb 2018

Left-wingers at Google are engaged in a relentless effort to demonetize Breitbart News from its AdSense platform and are linking advertising clients to the anti-Breitbart, far-left pressure group Sleeping Giants.
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 13, 18 4:08 PM
Last Weeks Possible Market Manipulation By Anti-Trump Globalists Has Little Affect...
Feds Run Surplus in 1st Month of Tax Cut...
Bill Murray Praises...
Small-Business Owners Say Good Time to Expand...
Home Prices Hit Records...
Trump popularity on upswing...
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 13, 18 4:34 PM
The FBI can't find a Malaysian 737 filled with passengers. How were they supposed to find personal background info on Porter?
By even flow (574), East Hampton on Feb 13, 18 6:12 PM
Oh, they found it all right but forces inside the White House chose to do nothing. The FBI notified the White House on numerous occasions that Porter would not pass the security clearance criteria, as early as last March. A complete report was delivered in July and a response for more information was given in November.

Having completed their work, the FBI closed the file in January yet none of this was acted on by the White House until the press exposed the story. I guess we need the ...more
By VOS (1036), WHB on Feb 13, 18 7:00 PM
As if you know wtf you are even spewing on about. Lol.
By even flow (574), East Hampton on Feb 14, 18 6:23 AM
I guess you missed the FBI Director's recent testimony before congress? Or perhaps disregarded it as fake news?:

Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday morning, FBI Director Christopher Wray said that the bureau had delivered a partial report on problems with Porter to the White House back in March — earlier than the administration had previously acknowledged being aware of such issues.

Wray also said the FBI had closed its file on Porter last month. ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 7:19 AM
Will the Honorable Lee Zeldin pontificate about Presidential payoffs to prostitutes? What a role model for our children.

Wall Street Journal:
"In his statement released late Tuesday, Mr. Cohen said: “I am Mr. Trump’s longtime special counsel and I have proudly served in that role for more than a decade. In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford.”"
By dfree (390), hampton bays on Feb 14, 18 6:24 AM
Free Hillary!!
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 14, 18 12:07 PM
No thanks, I've had plenty!
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:59 AM
It was a joke po fella. See she's not in jail. Nor will she ever be.

Sorry not sorry.
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 15, 18 11:15 AM
You don't say...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 11:21 AM
GOP Takes Lead on Generic Congressional Ballot; Trump Job Approval Hits 47%

After months of facing a potential blue wave of losses in the 2018 midterms, the Republican Party has taken the lead in a generic congressional poll, according to Morning Consult. In this same poll, President Trump’s job approval rating has also jumped.

Congratulations Mr. President
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 14, 18 1:47 PM
@ 27dan

You continue stroking yourself with these ridiculous, outlier polls.

Every other poll on earth (and the "average of all polls" on realclearpolitics.com) shows Trump's historic unpopularity to be but a few percentage points improved (41.6% Approve/ 53.3% Disapprove) and the Democrats still winning the generic congressional vote by a wide margin (45.4% Democrats/38.8% Republican).

Your "faithful" blindness to reality both inspires your sophomoric posts and prevents ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 14, 18 4:52 PM
Finally a President that actually cares about the country and accomplishes things.... To stand against the SWAMP CREATURES and fight for us, the way he has: TRUMP has 110% of our approval. I personally don't know anyone who isn't happy with President Trumps performance and since we have seen the MSM and their polls are rigged/fake, no way is their figure correct.

MAGA!!!! Thanks, Mr. President!
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 14, 18 4:57 PM
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Today's mass shooting is brought to you by Florida.


Sheriff: At least 17 dead in Florida school shooting
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 8:17 PM
Dear liberals,,I am a law abiding citizen with a gun.
You dont want me to have a gun.
I am NOT willing to give it up!
your move...
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 8:19 PM
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Do you always function solely using your amygdala?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 8:28 PM
Ignorance has no shame.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:08 AM
New Hedge-Fund Tax Dodge Triggers Wild Rush Back Into Delaware
By Miles Weiss
February 14, 2018, 4:00 AM EST


Wall Street’s fast-money crowd is returning to well-trodden ground to elude Trump-era tax laws: Delaware.

Since late 2017, hedge fund managers have created numerous shell companies in the First State, corporate America’s favorite tax jurisdiction. These limited liability companies share a common goal: dodging new tax rules for carried-interest profits ...more
Feb 14, 18 8:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
Stupidest administration EVER.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 8:29 PM
Here's the real "pay to play" scam. Tit for tat, or quid pro quo as it were...


How to start fixing democracy with the $1.50-a-week tax cut Paul Ryan gave you
By Jason Sattler

Opinion columnist Published 3:15 a.m. ET Feb. 14, 2018 | Updated 5:42 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2018


It shouldn't be this hard for a mass of citizens to fend off a handful of feudal lords. But it will be until we dilute the clout of the richest voters.

House Speaker Paul Ryan decided ...more
Feb 14, 18 8:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
Ryan received $500,000 from the brothers Koch in his “Team Ryan” campaign account 13 days after the House passed the tax cut bill. And that’s just the beginning. The Koch network is vowing to spend $400 million to keep the GOP’s majorities — and they’re just one shadowy group of donors with lots of extra cash.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 8:55 PM
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every time the liberals start losing in the polls .......
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 14, 18 9:40 PM
Was there a thought you planned to finish, or...?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:40 PM
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; Therefore the people alone have an incontestible, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity and happiness require it."

~ John Adams, Massachusetts State Constitution
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 9:53 PM
“I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

~ Thomas Jefferson
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 14, 18 10:04 PM
Third finger salute

nn!nn
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 14, 18 11:33 PM
Don't let him bait you in with his communist manifesto TCM ! He knows what to say to pi** everyone off ! And does it by design.

To Freedom, Property rights the First, Second and Tenth Amendment ... To Life Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness !

DON'T TREAD ON ME !

MAGA !

By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 14, 18 11:40 PM
If it were up to you to label people, most of the Founding Fathers published work would be "communist manifesto" or the work of an "atheist libtard".


"The advancement and diffusion of knowledge is the only guardian of true liberty."

"Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue; or in any manner affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change and can trace its consequences; a harvest reared not by themselves ...more
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 12:24 AM
If we're doing shout outs to our favorite amendments, I'm partial to the 4th, 5th, 13th and 14th. Also special mention to the 21st for keeping things interesting!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 7:02 AM
JuneZ, your anti religion, anti capitalism and anti American posts show all that is wrong with the liberal mindset and bring into focus the reasons that President Trump won the election.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 12:54 PM
Did you just refer to quoting the founding fathers as "anti American"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 12:57 PM
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Some of the quotes from the evil slave owning white men are just not up to date.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:17 PM
Which one of the above no longer holds true, in your opinion?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 1:20 PM
He doesn't know. He's just another b******* artist like the current president.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 4:16 PM
the quotes from both Madison and Jefferson anti religion and are therefore in opposition to those who believe in a higher being. 'All men are created equal and are endowed by their CREATOR".......
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 8:12 PM
Is atheism itself anti-American, in your view?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:32 PM
Apparently so is agnosticism.

Prove your god exists. In the immortal words of Edmund Halley, "Put up or shut up."
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 11:38 PM
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Anyone?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 9:36 PM
Yesterday's carnage brought to you by the law and order president, who is bought and paid for by the NRA. A shotgun and a six shot hand gun is all that should be allowed. How is America great with nineteen school shootings since January. Ask one of the parents of the seventeen dead if they feel America is great again.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 5:45 AM
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KILLER: TROUBLED EX-STUDENT...
'EVERYONE PREDICTED IT'...
Dangerous creep...
INSPIRED BY ISIS?
Vowed to commit massacre on YOUTUBE...
President Prays For Victims: No Child Should Feel Unsafe...
As bullets flew, pupil kept world updated on socials..
Phone footage captures horror...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:54 AM
Do we know how he got the guns yet?
Feb 15, 18 8:20 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
To answer my own question, it sounds like he legally purchased an AR-15 when he turned 18.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:20 AM
Stop praying and start banning semi-automatic rifles.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 9:01 AM
There's too many out there, Mets. For devout gun aficionados, to turn in their most destructive weapons would be to reject their own values and turn their back on their most closely-held beliefs.

You're better off doing what the rest of us are and strap up. Also hug your kids tight every day.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:06 AM

Once again, a U.S. National (NOT an immigrant) has committed mass murder. But let's keep talking about building that Wall and not about gun control.
By johnj (735), Westhampton on Feb 15, 18 10:32 AM
That's an interesting theory. How would the wall have stopped mass murder and how would gun control have prevented illegal migration?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 11:19 AM
The point was that an issue of dollars and cents is being prioritized over an issue of life and death.
Feb 15, 18 11:43 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him act to prevent mass murder.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 11:43 AM
Thanks johnj.

Pure nonsense.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 11:45 AM
@Po Boy: That "unsolvable" issue you referenced? Your boy just blamed it all on mental illness. And what was one of the very first actions he took as president? One month in he signed a bill into law rolling back a regulation making it harder for the mentally ill to purchase a gun.
And today in a meaningless word salad it took him a full day to conjure up, he tells children to "answer hate with love and cruelty with kindness". Just hearing those hollow words spewed by a man who ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 15, 18 12:34 PM
I'll save Po the trouble :

Australia is not America

Gun control is an affront to the constitution

Even if it wasn't, it wouldn't work

Dead kids are the price we pay for freedom

Did I miss anything?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 12:43 PM
"dead kids are the price we pay for freedom"? Who in their right mind would think such a thing? Blaming the weapons is misguided. When I was growing up on the beautiful South Fork, graduated high school in 1979, guns were just a fact of life. Duck and goose hunting along with pheasant and small game were time honored traditions, there were shotguns in the back windows of trucks in the school parking lot and kids were taught hands on gun safety at a young age. There were NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. What ...more
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:14 PM
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So then what do we do, BF?

Po Boy has settled on "nothing."

What say you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 1:16 PM
armed , well trained security personnel in the schools perhaps? Look at Israel for example, they have an incredibly well armed populace and no school shootings. Let that sink in.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:20 PM
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Finally! A suggestion other than inaction!

Compulsory military service does wonders for teaching gun safety, a practice I don't think people are willing to start up in the US.

Having said that, I'd be greatly in favor of expanded security, at first in the form of a funded mandate from the Federal gov't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 1:22 PM
There is enough waste in the current school budget to pay for real security for our schools. Incredible that the left's knee jerk reaction is to want Big Government to pay for things.
I am not advocating compulsory military service, but perhaps there should be a year of some sort of service between high school and college. There are a lot of kids just being shoved through the pipeline with no grasp of what it takes to make it in the real world.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:29 PM
This is not a Florida problem, or a California problem, or a Texas problem, or a New York problem. It's a country-wide problem that merits a Federal response.

If we can issue five-year grants to public schools to expand security that will give us at least some body of data to determine whether such measures are worth the expenditures, and give individual schools a basis on which to decide whether to continue the program out-of-pocket or not.

Before you dismiss this idea outright, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 1:35 PM
This is not a Florida problem, or a California problem, or a Texas problem, or a New York problem. It's a country-wide problem that merits a Federal response.

If we can issue five-year grants to public schools to expand security that will give us at least some body of data to determine whether such measures are worth the expenditures, and give individual schools a basis on which to decide whether to continue the program out-of-pocket or not.

Before you dismiss this idea outright, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 1:36 PM
no matter who proposed it, I would not be in favor of Federal involvement in local school security.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:44 PM
"NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS" circa 1979? Wrong. Two major ones in 1966--Charles Whitman killed 17 and wounded 25 plus from a tower on the U of Texas, and Richard Speck brutalized and killed 8 student nurses in Chicago.
And if your sanctity of life mantra rightfully included the now thousands of victims of gun violence, you would be on the hustings demanding sane gun control laws. Yet you are apparently among the 2-5% of Americans opposed. Which automatically makes your pro-life stance ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 15, 18 1:45 PM
I stand corrected, those 2 did occur. "The marked increase of school shootings in recent years" should have been used. Since you are chiming in, how would you explain the increase in school shootings ? Remember access to guns was much easier in the past.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:59 PM
Have firearms become more affordable and powerful since 1979?

Has the number of firearms in the wild steadily risen since 1979?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 2:06 PM
not sure but even if correct it does not explain the rash of school shootings .
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 4:20 PM
"I don't know the answers to these questions but I'm convinced they have nothing to do with the topic at hand!"

I just rolled my eyes harder than when I find out there's been another school shooting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 4:30 PM
Fore, you've misquoted me above. My reference to "nothing" was in reference to legislation...clearly indicated in the second half of the post you've misrepresented.
Feb 15, 18 7:04 PM appended by Po Boy
It's essentially agreeing with your reference to "hand wringing and shrugs from elected officials" but calling you on the tone of your sentiment as if elected official don't care but drawing focus to the fact that they KNOW it wouldn't solve the problem but take great homage in politicizing it.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:04 PM
You're not even hand-wringing anymore, just shrugging.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:19 PM
Please don't tell me what I'm doing.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:22 PM
Mets Fan, didn't take long for you to rear your uninformed head and start preaching about gun control. Can't wait what the rest of the uninformed gang has to say. You just don't get it, do you?
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 18 8:51 PM
"Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop is offering to share with the United States her country's two decades of experience with gun law reform that dramatically lowered gun violence deaths.

Australia credits stricter gun control laws enacted after a massacre in Port Arthur in 1996 for a dramatic fall in gun violence."
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 11:44 PM
Seventeen school children just got massacred, what do you have to say about that? What do I have to get?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 5:51 AM
As long as the real problem isn't sought, the problem will never be addressed.

It's a cultural, societal and mental health issue. You don't get that.
Feb 16, 18 8:29 AM appended by Po Boy
Z, your quote from October and the issue of applying a gun ban and confiscation here in the US similar to Australia has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 8:29 AM
Not that Po Boy actually has any ideas on how to resolve the cultural, societal, and mental health issues, mind you. They're just easy scapegoats that make it easy to ignore the issue at hand.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 8:46 AM
Yeah, let's just blame guns at the expense of law abiding gun owners....the real scapegoats.

Fore, how many times do I have to ask, please don't tell me what I think. You've never been correct, yet.

Feb 16, 18 9:05 AM appended by Po Boy
Here's a few Fore, mind you, none of which I really care to debate because society doesn't want to accept responsibility...it's easier to blame an inanimate object like a gun... families without father figures. disregard for authority.... a violent society whether it be movies or vide games which have desensitized violent acts .... a media that feeds into narcissistic disorders pervasive to murders...and yes Fore, strengthening the link between the mental health community and those who can purchase firearms.... see where this is going??
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:05 AM
You highlighted a series of issues but didn't propose a single new idea.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 9:12 AM
None of which have been considered. Well there you go... never satisfied. Could have predicted that one....in fact I did... that's why the reluctance to share.

Take the issue and fill in the blanks for yourself Fore. It's not my job to fix decades of societal decay.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:21 AM
So wash your hands of the issue. The rest of us will continue to brainstorm.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 9:23 AM
When you figure it out, let me know where to turn in my firearms and ammo or whether it will be confiscated from my home.
Feb 16, 18 9:33 AM appended by Po Boy
Make sure you consider in the brainstorming...taking prayer out of school, contempt for people of faith, attack on the national anthem, the attack on masculinity and the white race, divisions and polarization of all kinds...and wonder why bad things happen.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:33 AM
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So to read into your append a little, you believe we should:

1. put prayer back into school (organized by the government?)
2. hold religion in higher esteem (all religions, or just Christianity?)
3. force NFL players to stand for the national anthem (or anyone?)
4. stop attacking "masculinity and the white race" (I'm not even sure what to make of that, any specific suggestions?)
5. and generally stop people from disagreeing?

At least we agree that those are some ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 10:54 AM
. . . . . and end chain migration and the lottery visa programs.
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 16, 18 11:08 AM
Chalk 'em up as numbers 6 and 7, they fit in with the theme of the list.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 11:18 AM
You strike me as a low hanging fruit sort of guy Fore. This is big picture stuff... outside the box, the kind of themes that bind the fabric of a nation that have been torn down over the years.

Let's also add not coddling kids, giving them all trophies, over medicating them...let's teach them how to handle life...something that no longer exists.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 12:29 PM
Stopping the overreliance on psychoactive medication might be the first one of your suggestions I agree with...progress!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 12:52 PM
Anything we can do for you Fore, to ensure our suggestions are consistent with how you'd like us to think, just let us know. We're all here for you.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 1:12 PM
I'm less interested in changing your mind than knowing how it works :-)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 1:18 PM
Meanwhile back in the real world, Priebus's revelations in the new Vanity Fair piece show Trump in private to be even more sinister and out-of-control than had been assumed.

Mueller's investigation is quietly building quite a mansion . . .

Da Nile is a wide river to cross!

Make America GRATE Again.


By PBR (4826), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 11:54 AM
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Imagine if the FBI was as interested in stopping mass shootings as they were in stopping our democratically elected President?
By even flow (574), East Hampton on Feb 15, 18 12:44 PM
Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge.

If you can dodge an issue you can dodge a ball.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 12:52 PM
Zeldin is the most repugnant, immoral and gutless Republican toadie to ever hold the 1st Congressional District seat. He needs to go.
By Jolly Roger (8), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 1:19 PM
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By Jolly Roger (8), Southampton on Feb 15, 18 1:20 PM
Elections have consequences , the people voted and bounced out a bleeding heart , tax and spend liberal and replace him with a more conservative Congressman. Rally your troops and vote him out if you can. There are still enough productive members of society in the 1st District to shut down a leftist candidate.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 1:23 PM
there were shotguns in the back windows of trucks in the school parking lot and kids were taught hands on gun safety at a young age. There were NO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS. What ...more the hell happened?

Simple It's not the guns it's Latch Key Children on Psychotropic Drugs, mixed with Call of Duty and Social Media - - - - BOOM !
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 15, 18 3:15 PM
This 19-year-old received militia training from a white nationalist group whose mission is to turn Florida into a white ethno-state...but you're right, it was probably the Nintendo's fault.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 3:23 PM
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Yeah right, Simple Simon. This loser with an instagram account could kill 17 people in minutes while unarmed and on a psychotropic drug.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 15, 18 3:43 PM
Kids are awash in violence to include video games. It desensitizes them to violence. Whatever training he received from whatever group had nothing to do with who he shot. So yes, violent video games as an example, can potentially impact mindset. And I say that not even knowing whether he was even into video games, but that can be a factor. It certainly doesn't help.
Feb 15, 18 7:56 PM appended by Po Boy
Adam Lanza had more than 83,000 'kills' on video games including 22,000 'head shots' as he trained himself for the horrific Sandy Hook massacre. UK Daily Mail.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:56 PM
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This guy was a card carrying member of the ROF, attended at least one of their paramilitary drills, and participated in their marches. Another unstable American right wing terrorist act. He even described himself as a "right wing extremist" nut.
Feb 15, 18 8:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
"I've seen him wear a Trump hat." ~ Ocean Parodie, former classmate of Nikolas Cruz
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 8:05 PM
Jot Po Boy down as +1 for video-game-control legislation
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:17 PM
Please don't tell me what I'm down for.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:20 PM
Well you won't tell us!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:30 PM
Told. You do realize we've had this discussion previously...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:38 PM
So far all I gather of your opinion in terms of action is "There is nothing to do...and [this is] virtually unsolvable through any form of legislation."

Do you have any tips on how to stop the "decay of societal norms and values"? Maybe we can think and pray on it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:44 PM
I will be praying for your thinking.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:49 PM
Fore, give us some ideas on gun control. What exactly do you think needs to be done? How will it impact crime, specifically mass shootings?
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 18 8:52 PM
Save it for someone who'd appreciate it :)
Feb 15, 18 8:53 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Dnice, you may have missed it but I'm off the gun control wagon, that ship has sailed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:53 PM
Every teacher in America should go on strike and take to the streets to demand sensible gun legislation. All assault weapons should be bought back, confiscated, and banned *(again).
You'll be upset, but you'll be fine with all our thoughts and prayers.

* From 1973 to present, there were 108 mass shootings. 92 occurred before and after the ten year ban (1994-2004), and 16 during. Comes out to 1.69x as many mass shootings in non-ban years. That number would come down drastically ...more
Feb 15, 18 10:06 PM appended by June Bug
The families of American soldiers killed in combat get $100,000 tax free. The families of American teachers killed in combat get nothing.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 15, 18 10:06 PM
You get a shotgun for hunting and a six shot hand gun for home protection and that's it.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 5:56 AM
No... YOU get a shotgun for hunting and a six shot hand gun for home protection.

A) I don't hunt
B) Come and get what I already have.
Feb 16, 18 7:46 AM appended by Po Boy
IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS WHAT I CHOOSE TO PROTECT MY HOME AND FAMILY WITH.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 7:46 AM
Actually, there's lots of laws that limit how you can protect your home.

For example, a man was once held criminally liable for setting up a rifle pointed at his door that would discharge when someone turned the doorknob.

On a side-note, do you think you should be allowed to own a fully-functional tank? A loaded fighter jet? A live nuke?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 8:44 AM
SSDD.... you're beginning to Fore me... I mean bore me with the nonsense...

This is why the problem will never get solved...stuck in a loop...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:15 AM
Doesn't change the fact that it obviously is our business how you choose to protect your home, using the example of spring-loaded traps for one.

I also noticed you avoided the question of where a reasonable limit on weapons of war should be. Probably because you would choose the standard libertarian answer ("SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"), but you won't say so we're left to speculate.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 9:21 AM
Supreme Court decided that...

Who am I to argue.
Feb 16, 18 9:30 AM appended by Po Boy
See. There you telling me what I think...AGAIN.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:30 AM
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Here, I'm simply drawing conclusions because you won't say.

If you have an opinion on where a reasonable limit on weapons of war should be you should stand by it, not hide it from us.

This comment section is completely devoid of personal consequences, what have you got to lose?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 10:06 AM
Seconds from my day...that's what I have to lose.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 10:42 AM
That's fine, but you're still commenting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 10:47 AM
I have no desire to use this site as your own little Constitutional Convention... to "solve" all the problems down to the detail.. fully knowing there is no such avenue to our avail. Seems rather silly.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 12:34 PM
You don't make suggestions to your elected officials?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 12:53 PM
Me personally, no.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 1:06 PM
Ah, so how do you plan to effect change, if at all?

As for me, the 27east comment section is where I draft my letters!

I'm not foolish enough to think I have all the answers, so I bounce ideas off everyone to highlight sources of consensus or disagreement in my views.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 1:24 PM
why weren't there more "losers" like this evil incarnate 25 or 30 years ago JuneZ?
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 4:22 PM
Because Columbine "broke the ice", o' well informed one.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 8:14 PM
There have always been "evil losers". Since citing the cases from 1966 earlier today, I just now learn that the grandfather of one of the young girls who had to hide in FL also had to hide in a closet in his home in Camden, NJ in 1949 !!! while someone shot and killed 13 people and wounded 3 including members of his family.
As for why there are more cases of mass shootings nowadays is a subject for sociologists and anthropologists. Among the many societal changes in recent decades, ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 15, 18 8:52 PM
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Is your comment a shot, pardon the pun, at both guns and the male gender?
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 11:34 PM
Via CNN:

19 of the 30 deadliest mass shootings have taken place in the last decade. What has changed on the federal level?

Updated 12:24 PM ET, Thu February 15, 2018


Nothing.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 8:10 PM
What could have been done to prevent them at the federal level.

Nothing.

Meanwhile, the murder rate and other crime rates decline.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:13 PM
Or, population increases have diluted the numbers. Per capita = for every 100,000 people.

Per the FBI, violent crime has increased while property crime has decreased. Murder rates increased in 2016, and the 2017 data has yet to be released.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 8:25 PM
Aside from the original point you made which is completely unsubstantiated as to the impact that could have been made...Oh, so it's not as straight forward as might have been presented.

Feb 15, 18 8:36 PM appended by Po Boy
Z, as I look through the handful of "news sources" that have picked up your post, I take great amusement that NONE of them have had any posts, reactions, activity....NOTHING!
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:36 PM
Well maybe you're just not smart or resourceful enough to know where to look...
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 11:35 PM
Wow, didn't see an attack on intelligence coming from someone who thinks they understand the issue better than they really do.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 7:40 AM
Well then, do you know where I'm published?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 16, 18 7:44 AM
Well then, does that have anything to do with your original post?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 8:00 AM
America's traditions and social mores have been slowly eroded over the past decade, the school shootings are the result of that. Fundamentally transforming America indeed
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 15, 18 8:16 PM
GOP "tradition"...

Kimmel writer quotes every GOP lawmaker’s post-Florida ‘thoughts and prayers’ tweet — and how much money they took from the NRA

Noor Al-Sibai
14 FEB 2018 AT 20:12 ET

As Republicans begin heaping “thoughts and prayers” on the families of the 17-plus people killed in Wednesday’s deadly shooting at a high school outside Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, a writer for Jimmy Kimmel Live! made sure to note how much each ...more
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 15, 18 8:44 PM
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Terrible Z that these donors were all for legal gun ownership and you want to relate them to some nut that committed this heinous crime.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 18 8:55 PM
This is why the real problem will never be solved or addressed. Stop being the problem.

Political correctness has been taken off the table as a possible cause and it is preferably served for political reasons to look at unrelated causes as the problem.

By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:56 PM
dnice, I think he's suggesting that folks who receive NRA donations are not actually supporters of the second amendment, but merely oppose gun control laws for self-serving reasons.

Whether we all come to the same conclusion based on those donations is an individual choice.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:03 PM
Politicians, self serving? Groundbreaking.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 18 9:05 PM
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On the flipside, I'm reminded of what my conservative friend said about the pro-life politician who was found to have paid for his mistress' abortion: "who cares what they actually think as long as they vote the way I want them to!"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 9:10 PM
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Cruz was in fact taking drugs for depression, his deadly outburst would follow an established pattern of mass shooters who were also on psychotropic medication.
Perhaps the most infamous medicated school shooters were Columbine gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who tested positive for the SSRI Luvox following the deadly massacre.
Charleston church shooter Dylan Roof was also found to be taking Suboxone, a drug linked to sudden outbursts of violence.
But don’t expect the mainstream ...more
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 16, 18 1:10 AM
Are psychotropic drugs not prescribed in Australia or Canada, e.g., or in India (which has the second highest number of guns in circulation after the US)?
Is there no mental illness in these countries or others where there are no mass shootings?
We have a gun problem. Period. Bravo to our teens who just might be the catalyst to restore us to sanity, who are asserting that their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness trumps the right to own a military grade arsenal.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 16, 18 6:21 PM
People are getting massacred all over the place, and the only thing po boy is worried about is playing with his guns.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 5:54 AM
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Awesome Mf...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 7:35 AM
Metsfan, it is ridiculous posts like this that show your lack of maturity.

I have asked you before, and anyone who wishes may answer, what do you propose as new gun control legislation specifically and how will it curb gun violence?
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 8:31 AM
You get a shotgun for hunting and a six shot hand gun for home protection, that's it. Rigorous background checks, education, and licensing. Does that work for you?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 9:03 AM
Hell no. There will be no limit on what firearm I as a lawful person shall own. We already have rigorous background checks. I would be all for more education and mandatory instruction but that will not stop criminals from obtaining guns. So I am supposed to limit myself while the criminal does not? Don't you see the weakness in that mindset. Criminals, by definition, do not obey the law. It logically follows that criminals will not obey any new gun legislation. Limiting types of guns and ...more
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 10:48 AM
How free are the seventeen just massacred in Florida.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 12:17 PM
I'm pretty sure their parents don't want you flippantly using their dead children in attempts to score cheap political points.

Stop it. You're grotesque.
By even flow (574), East Hampton on Feb 16, 18 12:23 PM
What would you say to the parents who are themselves "attempting to score cheap political points" because they're angry they had to bury their teenagers?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 12:54 PM
Parents burying their teenager are emotional and have every right to score whatever points they feel is appropriate to grieve.

Some knucklehead(s) on a message board, while disturbed by the event as we all are, using the event to flippantly score political points, is rather grotesque and disturbing in its own right.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 1:06 PM
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So it's not the message you have a problem with, but the messenger?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 2:06 PM
"How free are the seventeen just massacred in Florida."

It is a tragic, but they probably would have been alive had the FBI followed the processes in place and had prevented this sick kid from access to firearms.

Metsfan, you are delusional to think that you will be able to keep firearms out of the wrong hands. DELUSIONAL! No amount of legislation or restriction will prevent criminals from attaining illegal firearms.

Perhaps we should start thinking about mandatory metal ...more
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 8:12 PM
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Metal detectors? Why not. That only alerts people to the existence of a weapon, though. It doesn't actually stop anyone from shooting.

Also, from experience, the bidders will try to upsell body scanners instead and those are a quarter million dollars each.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 17, 18 7:35 AM
The next election will see if people are serious about gun control, or if they find it more bearable to have massacred school children, church goers, or even concerts.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 5:58 AM
The kid murdered 17 kids in a state with the death penalty. I’m not so sure a felony for illegal possession of a gun would serve as a deterrent to someone that has blamed voices in his head.
By SlimeAlive (729), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 6:23 AM
Also, by all accounts the rifle was obtained legally.

Perhaps we shouldn't have allowed that sale in the first place.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 6:25 AM
Meaning what?
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 7:34 AM
That the kid who got kicked out of school for violent tendencies and was reported to the FBI should not have been allowed to buy an AR, or should have had the cops show up at his door asking for it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 7:40 AM
Correct Fore, this was a major mistake by the FBI. They were warned and almost twenty years later we still see poor communication between law enforcement branches.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 8:32 AM
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Can we get some funding for a country-wide "do-not-sell-a-gun-to" database? Perhaps empower local Law Enforcement with the information they need to take firearms from the wrong hands?

To anticipate some questions: Yes, that implies a national registry of where some guns are, and "the wrong hands" are those which have been adjudicated as a danger to themselves or others.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 8:39 AM
We already have that database. It's how they learned who the shooter was...by running the serial number on the gun he left at the scene.

Empowering law enforcement while seemingly a good idea, is a slippery slope that has a lot of potential to infringe on Constitutional rights. I'm all for linking mental health adjudication to the "do-not-sell" database. I think you'll find guns already are taken away from those who have been adjudicated as mentally unstable. Mental adjudication is a tough ...more
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 8:54 AM
Put mental health aside for a moment, my comment didn't mention it.

I'm talking about people who are adjudicated as a danger to themselves or others, for example a kid who gets kicked out of school because of recorded on-going violent tendencies.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 9:02 AM
I would be very speptical of who gets to make that determination
Feb 16, 18 10:49 AM appended by dnice
skeptical
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 10:49 AM
We already have institutions that make those determinations in law enforcement (for example, when a protection order is granted), public schools, and other forms of government.

The goal would be to narrow the focus away from the catch-all "mental illness" (which can mean anything from nervous ticks to suicidal/homicidal tendencies) to something more specific (for example, "danger to oneself or others") and provide a level of due process to guarantee constitutional rights.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 11:02 AM
A NATION MOURNS, AGAIN...
FBI WAS WARNED...
YOUTUBE: 'Professional school shooter'...
Video Wasn't a Strong Lead...
Sheriff calls for power to detain over posts...
THE MEDS...
'Emotional fragility'...
UPDATE: Local law enforcement says NO TIES to white nationalists...
He arrived in an UBER!
Threats, hoaxes, anxiety, arrests: Uneasiness grips schools...
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 8:25 AM
Why did the orange cheetoh rescind the ban of the mentally ill being able to buy guns?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 9:00 AM
Because that particular form of adjudication dealt specifically with the ability to handle one's finances and lacked due process.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 9:03 AM
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June...take note.
By Po Boy (881), Water Mill on Feb 16, 18 9:42 AM
Yes, I also take note of the fact that trump's budget contains drastic cuts in mental health care benefits for Medicare and Medicaid recipients.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 16, 18 1:18 PM
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I see your son started a blog .
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 16, 18 6:20 PM
Having breathlessly reported that Florida gunman Nikolas Cruz was a member of a white supremacist group, media outlets across the world failed to issue retractions when it emerged that this story was completely fake news.
The farce began when the Anti-Defamation League and Associated Press reported that a representative of the Republic of Florida Militia, a group that believes in a “white ethnostate,” told them that Cruz was a member of the organization.
However, it quickly emerged ...more
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 16, 18 10:31 AM
Wrong.

Republic of Florida is a real white separatist group.

The leader of the group is still saying the shooter was a member.

The Tallahassee Sherriff's office are the ones saying they don't have "evidence of links" to the group. I guess they don't think the leader's statement is evidence? Time will tell.
Feb 16, 18 10:46 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
So apparently the leader of the group has walked back his comments, saying there was a “misunderstanding” about Cruz’s ties to the group. “There was a legit misunderstanding because we have MULTIPLE people named Nicholas in ROF...I got a bunch of conflicting information and I have not slept for like 2 days.” He continued by bashing the media: “Are you really going to blame ME for the lying j** media? We know they are liars. F*** em.”
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 10:46 AM
Just how much carnage dnice does it take to move your position. How many massacred five and six year olds does it take? how many many murdered teenagers? How many slaughtered concert goers? How many worshiping church people does it take? How much carnage?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 5:14 PM
You offer no solutions Metsfan. I asked specifically and you say a shotgun and a revolver. You are out of your depth on the subject and standing on the graves of dead children does nothing but point out how you like to demonize those who disagree with you.

You were kind of mildly entertaining when you used to follow Philathome around, liking all of his hate filled comments, but now you are exposed as the one trick pony that your posts show you to be. All blowhard with no real solutions.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 8:21 PM
You think it's okay to be legal for a 19 year old to buy an AR-15? why don't we start with a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Shove your thoughts and prayers. It's time for action. Your right wing nut agenda is more important than all the dead massacred slaughtered butchered innocent people who have perished, you are a truly despicable person.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 9:52 PM
COLORADO SCHOOLS ARM TEACHERS TO PREVENT ANOTHER COLUMBINE TRAGEDY
State began arming teachers following 1999 school massacre

Sensible and should be the norm
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 16, 18 11:23 PM
Lol, thanks for proving my point Mf. Your reading comprehension aside, you truly are an enlightened and insightful poser, um poster.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 11:33 PM
mets fan "your right wing nut agenda is more important than all the dead massacred slaughtered butchered innocent people who have perished

abortion 55 million dead massacred slaughtered butchered innocent people who have perished

just look at what you are saying, really look at it . sigh


By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 16, 18 11:43 PM
If life begins at conception, why don't we count miscarriages as part of our population statistics?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 17, 18 7:05 AM
Trump cleared? Indictment says Russians worked with 'unwitting' participants... Did I miss something here... So all they really came up with is some people opened Facebook and Twitter accounts and said nice things about Trump and bad things about Hillary. So pretty much similar to the nightly news every single night for a year except bashing Trump and protraying Hillary as a goddess.... I believe the MUCH larger collusioin is with mainstream media... Huh, nothing to see there, move it along... ...more
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 16, 18 5:39 PM
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Seems obvious the swamp is angling to use these indictments as a weapon to censor the internet before the next election.
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 16, 18 6:11 PM
I hear Marvel Comics is looking to expand their writing staff. You should get right on it--I'm sure they'd make you a very nice offer.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 16, 18 6:50 PM
You are an abetting treasonous Russia lover. Your orange goddess that you worship has now admitted Russia meddled in the elections. Going down will be Jared, donnie johnny junior, and the great money launderer orange cheetoh.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 8:01 PM
Rosenstein: "No Allegation in This Indictment That Any American Had Any Knowledge" Of Russian Election Influence Operation
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 16, 18 6:16 PM
Go Mueller go! Donnie Jr. loves it, especially later in the summer.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (1308), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 16, 18 6:21 PM
Key words: in THIS indictment.
Tick tock tick tock.....
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 16, 18 7:45 PM
@ 27dan (& joe hampton & widow gavits)

Well, there is that "unidentified American" mentioned in the indictment who advised the Russians on propaganda tactics as to which states it would be most effective to target. In addition, as the political commentator on CBS said today, we have to understand that this individual is cooperating with the FBI and may already have taken a guilty plea under seal. Also mentioned was that these indictments are the EARLIEST judicial fruits of the Mueller ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 16, 18 8:00 PM
As previously suggested . . .

Mueller's foundation is being constructed methodically -- brick-by-brick -- 2x4 by 2x4, etc. etc..

Interesting that this wave of indictments was not leaked ahead of time?

A tight ship!

NO ONE has any idea what is yet to come, especially Trump.

"Tick tock tick tock" pretty well covers it!
By PBR (4826), Southampton on Feb 16, 18 8:09 PM
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"Good luck good luck" is probably more appropriate.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 18 8:13 PM
Is anyone else out of breadcrumbs?
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 12:04 AM
CNN is embarrassed and ashamed. All’s quiet on the leftist front
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 17, 18 1:09 AM
Zeldin being elected is the same as outfitting Cruz with an AR-15. Think about it. Democrats would have fought for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Republicans won and now because of their steadfastness to making sure everyone can have as many guns (and what types of guns) and ammo they want. That's why we continue to have massive carnage. It is why blood is flowing through the streets with massacres and butchering. Welcome to right wing America. School children get massacred and all they do is defend ...more
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 17, 18 8:48 AM
MF: This is the most inane post from you yet, and believe me that's saying something! Blaming Zeldin for school shootings and blaming the Republican for defending the constitution and tangentially blaming them for the existence of evil in the world is just incredible. Your psychotic hatred for the right has renderd you incapable of rational thought.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 17, 18 12:12 PM
MF: This is the most inane post from you yet, and believe me that's saying something! Blaming Zeldin for school shootings and blaming the Republican for defending the constitution and tangentially blaming them for the existence of evil in the world is just incredible. Your psychotic hatred for the right has renderd you incapable of rational thought.
By bigfresh (3202), north sea on Feb 17, 18 12:12 PM
Mets fan on tilt. Time to adjust the medication.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 1:31 PM
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Great idea bf let's outfit every under 21 with an AR-15. Sounds good right. That's why under right wing nut control, the streets are free flowing with blood. A vote for Zeldin is a vote for every right wing nut mental defective who wants to legally arm themselves with an AR-15, can do so under the approving Zeldin. Think about that!!!
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 17, 18 2:10 PM
Think about that when your kids leave for school every day.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 17, 18 2:16 PM
Like i said from my cold dead hands... Your move
Feb 17, 18 3:27 PM appended by Ditch Bum
The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says:The people have the right to bear arms, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held, in a 5–4 decision, that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock" violated this guarantee.
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 17, 18 3:27 PM
No, Bum, that is not what the Second Amendment says. This is the correct text:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Your attempt to pass off a fake version exemplifies your total lack of integrity.

Quotation marks mean something and they should be used whenever copying the words of another. Here we find you attempting to rewrite the United States Constitution ...more
By VOS (1036), WHB on Feb 17, 18 10:46 PM
Usual hyocritical right wing nut attitudes. You know they are the greatest supporters of our police force. However they have no problem with outfitting anyone with a semi-automatic rifle. How do you think our police feel about this when confronting a perp armed to the teeth with these weapons?
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 17, 18 8:52 AM
NPRJanuary 31, 20134:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
David Schaper 2010

Sheriff David Clarke has advised residents in a new PSA that they should consider taking a firearm safety course to defend themselves ... once you're on the street and someone sticks a gun in your face to take your car or your wallet, you don't have the option of calling 911," says Clarke.

With officers laid off and furloughed, Clarke says, calling 911 and waiting for police is no longer your best ...more
Feb 17, 18 10:40 AM appended by 27dan
There's an old saying that when seconds count, the police are minutes away !
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 17, 18 10:40 AM
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There's an old saying that cretins hinge on the words of crackpot devils, and hypocrites don't recognize their own hypocrisy.
The well-funded resistance to the sensible regulation of handguns, the easy availability of semi-automatic weapons and the resistance to preventing people with mental health issues from obtaining them, is a clear participation in EVIL. This is a LIFE issue, Mr. Right to Life.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 11:18 AM
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If someone sticks a gun in your face, you are already pretty much out of options.
By Mets fan (1013), Southampton on Feb 17, 18 2:15 PM
abortion 55 million dead massacred slaughtered butchered innocent people who have perished

clear participation in EVIL. This is a LIFE issue

just look at what you are saying, really look at it . sigh

By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 17, 18 3:15 PM
Erin don't you get it yet,

Obama type government protects the right to kill a babies further empowering these kind of people, The right to own a gun enpowers a different kind of person against that kind of government from going even further.
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 17, 18 3:22 PM
June Bug, you can't throw around terms like "sensible regulation" without giving us your definition of what you think that is. My guess is you can't.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 3:30 PM
You would be Mf, no doubt. The last words out of your mouth would probably be "but we restricted access to guns, how did you get one.....?"
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 3:35 PM
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Oh, I "really do look at it", Hon, and repeat in case it registers this time: Not word one out of Jesus of Nazareth, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Sermon on the Mount, or in any creed on the subject of abortion. In Jewish law--ON WHICH CHRISTIANITY IS BASED--THERE IS NO LIFE UNTIL THERE IS BREATH. Is it God who "slaughters" millions via spontaneous abortion? Why no baptisms or Christian funerals required then or when a fetus is extracted to save the life of a mother? Anti-choicers ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 3:57 PM
if i responded to your way of looking at "life" i would be red inked
By Erin 27 E (965), hampton bays on Feb 17, 18 4:23 PM
Juney B, you lost me at "Hon"
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 4:29 PM
@ 27dan

Make that EX-sheriff Dave Clark, the loopy, black, Far-Right, former sheriff of Milwaukee, WI, who layered the chest of his uniform shirt with two dozen buttons and badges and was blocked by Twitter for exhorting his readers to assault reporters and make them "taste their own blood". (He expected to be offered a White House gig when he resigned as sheriff but Chief of Staff John Kelly [i.e. one of the few RATIONAL Trump appointees] killed the idea.)

If the Black Panthers ...more
By highhatsize (3407), East Quogue on Feb 17, 18 11:19 AM
Another left wing racist outs himself. You couldn't make this stuff up.
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 17, 18 11:48 AM
David Alexander Clarke Jr. (born August 21, 1956) is a former American law enforcement official who was the Sheriff of Milwaukee County, Wisconsin from 2002 to 2017. In 2002, Clarke was appointed sheriff by Governor Scott McCallum, and later elected that same year to his first four-year term. He was re-elected in November 2006, 2010, and 2014.Clarke is registered and was elected as a Democrat in a heavily Democratic county,
By They call me (2245), southampton on Feb 17, 18 3:48 PM
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HHS, gotta shake my head a little at your post.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 4:24 PM
Seems like HH, Z, JB FB & MF are Russian influenced posters who are out to disrupt our up to now pleasant and productive lives around here .
Trump On !!!
By pw herman (807), southampton on Feb 17, 18 6:03 PM
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HH, Z, JB, FB & MF aren't having to lift a finger. Mr. Mueller is doing all the heavy lifting to disrupt the Russian influence out of all of our lives.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 6:59 PM
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Advanced Volatile Threat = Trump
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 9:41 PM
Special counsel Robert Mueller charged 13 Russians and three Russian organizations for allegedly interfering in the U.S. 2016 presidential elections with the intention of promoting President Donald Trump’s candidacy by posting as American activists, creating Facebook groups and organizing fake rallies.

Whoopieeee 35 million and 14 months for Fake rallies ... and fake news

Bring on the mid terms!
By 27dan (2231), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 17, 18 3:09 PM
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The 2nd Amendment was never originally about protecting gun rights. There was no "individual right to own a gun" until 2008 when the SC caved to the gun industry and lifted the ban on handguns in District of Columbia v. Heller. An amendment re: the parameters for individual militias (a/k/a Slave Patrols) in lieu of an unwanted standing army has zero relevance today. What it's become is a legal fiction conjured up by the gun industry and their SC buddies sold to y'all via an expensive PR campaign.
...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 3:31 PM
Like i said from my cold dead hands :The people have the right to bear arms, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

Once again you're move .......
By Ditch Bum (384), Water Mill on Feb 17, 18 3:37 PM
To bear arms as part of a (free State) militia. Period.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 4:00 PM
I Guess Junezy wasn't paying attention Ditch ...

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held, in a 5–4 decision, that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home
By joe hampton (3006), The Hamptons on Feb 17, 18 4:18 PM
Good luck with your revisionist view of the drafting of the 2nd amendment June Bug. I just have to laugh and most of your posts.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 4:19 PM
No Joe, Juney B is way smarter than Supreme Court Justices.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 4:26 PM
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I guess you people can't read well.
As I said, the ban on handguns was lifted in this decision.
What the court did in essence is a rewrite of the amendment to satisfy the gun industry. Prior to Heller, no such right was included in the original amendment.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 5:26 PM
You people? Lol.
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 5:56 PM
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Not taking offense easily is as important a moral commitment - and perhaps even more productive of mental health - as not giving offense carelessly.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 6:48 PM
Hey dnice, since you take issue with my post re: the origins of the 2nd amendment, why don't you post your "view" as a rebut instead of a mocking, hollow reply? Luck I have plenty of, thank you. It's substance in your posts that's lacking.
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 7:25 PM
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Those who would wish to abolish the 2nd amendment always try to come up with their own interpretation of it in an attempt to erode or chip away at its protection. You claim that the court rewrote the amendment to satisfy the gun industry. Baseless claim. The court just reaffirmed what the founding fathers intended.

Btw, spare us your moral high ground. Not taking offense, giving offense, please....
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 7:41 PM
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Most of don't want abolition.

We want a market that doesn't arm both sides.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 9:34 PM
Tales from The Swamp:
So over a hundred million dollars was raised by trump's inaugural committee. Way more than Obama's, e.g., and raised to fund a way less elaborate celebration. For one, Rachel Maddow has been asking all year about the status of the excess which was supposed to go to charity.
This past week we learn that a friend of Melania trump's who set up an event planning company just prior to the inauguration --like 2 minutes before-- was paid $26 MM ...more
By June Bug (1721), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 17, 18 5:55 PM
Been waiting, will continue to wait....
By dnice (2098), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 18 7:43 PM
"I close my eyes and know there's peace in a world so filled with hatred
Then I wake up each morning and turn on the news to find we've so far to go...

~ Styx
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 10:02 PM
WE CALL BULLSHIT.
By Mr. Z (9795), North Sea on Feb 17, 18 9:50 PM
HILLARY CLINTON OUTSPENT RUSSIANS 53-1… AND STILL LOST

The Daily Caller

Hillary Clinton spent 53 times more money per month than Russians seeking to influence the 2016 presidential election.Clinton and her PAC spent about $66 million a month in 2016, a whopping 53 times more money than Russia’s $1.25 million monthly budget.

But the truly sick reality is that Hillary Clinton didn't pay for her campaign against Trump.....The Haitians did!!!
By Undocumented Democrat (1595), southampton on Feb 17, 18 10:26 PM
Bay Burger, Sag Harbor