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May 15, 2018 2:00 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Congressman Lee Zeldin Attends Opening Of U.S. Embassy In Israel

Mr. Zeldin with Israeli Prime Benjamin Netanyahu, his wife, Sara Netanyahu, First Daughter Ivanka Trump and White House Senior Advisor Jared Kushner. COURTESY KATHLEEN VINCENTZ
May 15, 2018 2:11 PM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin attended the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem earlier this week after meeting privately with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a congressional delegation visit.

On Monday, which marked the 70th anniversary of Israel’s founding, the U.S. Embassy was moved from its previous location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the holy city, by President Donald Trump to recognize it as the country’s capital, a decision announced in December 2017, and a pledge he had made during the presidential campaign a year earlier.

The move sparked deadly protests along the Gaza border, which sits northwest of Israel, from Palestinians, who, like the Israelis, also refer to Jerusalem as their capital. Israel has controlled West Jerusalem, where their parliament and the prime minister’s home are, since 1949, and in 1967 captured East Jerusalem.

The Palestinians are rallying to take control of East Jerusalem and had been protesting the relocation of the American embassy for several weeks. On Monday, demonstrations turned deadly, and as of Tuesday 58 people had been killed and more than 2,700 injured by Israeli troops guarding the border, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

In a statement, Mr. Zeldin, who was one of 14 members to participate in the congressional delegation, referred to the embassy relocation as “long overdue” and said he was grateful for President Trump’s decision.

“Jerusalem is Israel’s capital, and this is where our embassy should be located,” Mr. Zeldin said in a press release. “The support, pride and warm welcome from Israelis has been such a remarkable memory I will never want to forget. This is a historic day not only for the life of a nation but also for an alliance between nations that is second to none.”

In addition to the politicians from the Senate and House of Representatives, a presidential delegation was led by Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan, Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin, White House Senior Advisor Jared Kushner and the president’s daughter Ivanka Trump, who is a special advisor.

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Good! We are a sovereign nation and will have our embassy where we choose
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on May 15, 18 3:11 PM
Lee Zeldin. Wonderful! Did he stop to say "Hi" to the folks of the dead baby or attend the funerals of dozens of murdered Palestinians on the Gaza strip? The picture here of Zeldin standing next to Netanyahu; who has been embroiled in his own corruption scandal, and the lesser Trump Ivanka and a Kushner in-law, tell me all I need to know about Zeldin. Please vote this overambitious Trump-lemming out of office.
By Jean (79), whb on May 15, 18 3:44 PM
1. Who is stupid enough to bring a baby to a violent area and demonstrate.
2. The baby had a pre existing condition that caused it's death as per the Hamas medical examiner.
3. Israel has every right to defend itself, and the US could and shoild take notes. ALL Israelis are militarily trained at the age of 18,, unless they get a special exemption. 77% on average serve their country, and develope national pride, They are not sitting in mom's basement waiting for someone to do something for ...more
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 15, 18 5:07 PM
"I believe that our right to the Land is absolute and unshakable and it that [sic] includes the entire Land [...] The correct policy, from the point of view of Israeli interests regarding our political ability at the moment, is to combine the attempt to hold the maximum amount of territory and apply sovereignty over the maximum amount of territory while keeping the Arab population within it to a minimum. This situation already exists in Area C, which is under our control; there are little more than ...more
May 15, 18 7:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
Does anyone else not the incredible level of irony regarding Israel engaging in ethnic cleansing?
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 15, 18 7:58 PM
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By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 15, 18 9:36 PM
“Killing, raping and looting have been common practices in religious societies, and often carried out with clerical sanction. The catalogue of notorious barbarities – wars and massacres, acts of terrorism, the Inquisition, the Crusades, the chopping off of thieves’ hands, the slicing off of clitorises and labia majora, the use of gang rape as punishment, and manifold other savageries committed in the name of one faith or another — attests to religion’s longstanding ...more
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 15, 18 10:42 PM
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By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 16, 18 8:22 PM
Y'know I meant to ask.

Where is that piece of parchment which outlines the land deal signed by "God"? Was it signed "Iaweh", or perhaps Ieshua after the former stepped away from the Chairmanship?
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 16, 18 8:50 PM
I'm wondering where the proof is that Arabs from Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Yemen, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, have a right to live there and Jews do not ? Perhaps proof that the Arabs,not Jews, belong there is mentioned right next to Jerusalem in the Koran ? Or perhaps when the mosque was built on top of the Temple Mount the paperwork was lost ?
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 17, 18 9:48 AM
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Yeah, I always meant to ask you....since you so brilliantly defended your "belief in God" lie....

Prove there is NO God.

Good luck copy and paste.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 17, 18 10:22 AM
Has anyone ever laid eyes on "God"?

Has any scientist ever found proof of an omnipotent being?

The answer is "NO". The simple fact "God" has never personally shown his/her/it's face is proof enough that one does not exist.

The concept of an absentee God is no better than an absentee landlord.
May 17, 18 7:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
As I have stated before, does the Bible not say that it's god's will when it's time for a person to die? So thusly, "God" is responsible for every death when it's time comes. There's your proof, and it's written right there in your dogma. Even a blind man could have figured that out.
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 17, 18 7:33 PM
Has any scientist ever found proof that God does not exist?

Has anyone in the Bible ever laid eyes on God?

The answer is NO.

Is it explained in the Bible why?

That answer is yes. Do your homework.

I guess that means you are extremely brilliantly ignorant in my "dogma"

And your quote was

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."

Stop trying to dodge the moronic statement and pony ...more
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 17, 18 11:09 PM
When "God" shows him/itself on Earth, then there will be absolute proof of it's existence. Having proof something does not exist isn't how science and reality works. That's why believing in an omnipotent being which has never shown itself is a clinical psychotic delusion based on ignorance, superstition, and fear. That's science.

Your "Good Book" penned by human hands and it's deleted gospels were not written by a supernatural being. It was written by people who weren't advanced enough ...more
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 18, 18 3:12 AM
Is there anything you aren't a genius of?
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 18, 18 7:17 AM
So your answer to your completely asinine "Belief in God" nonsense is based on the Bible and God?

Hypocritical thinking of simple minds have done enormous damage to civilization. Sort of like placing a chimp in a room of fine china.

Did you see the "green marble"? If you didn't see it it never existed...your train of thought not mine.

And science believed the universe began in a "big bang".....then proved itself wrong,

Here are some more scientific lies for you. ...more
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 18, 18 9:01 AM
No. There is wonderment at your disagreement to the statement. As everything is "God's Will", no?

Listen, we have technology. We have proven what spectra atoms reflect, or do not reflect. Via geology, we can glean not only the contents of the early atmosphere due to basic chemical processes; we can gauge atmospheric content in most any geological age. Thusly, we can determine the composition or the Earth's early atmosphere and what light it's composition would reflect. So yeah, we ...more
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 19, 18 12:12 AM
So it was green because your imperfect "science" says so? Some "scientists" wrote it down in a book and it's true?

Your defense of your "Belief in God" is shallow and ironic. To use God's "will" one would have to believe in God. You clearly do not, so your defense of that moronic statement laughable.

Placing that aside, let's move on to how God is the greatest cause of war.

I await your scientific response.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 19, 18 9:35 AM
A scientific response is wasted on you.
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 19, 18 4:55 PM
Pretty much what I figured, you have no answer, "scientific" or otherwise.

I did read that science is working on the impetuous nature of sleep depraved chimps, THAT I find interesting.
Smithsonian study.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 19, 18 10:08 PM
Nah, honestly is wasted effort.
May 19, 18 10:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, let me know if he/she/it ever comes around. First round is on me. Until then...
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 19, 18 10:45 PM
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By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 20, 18 8:34 AM
Your probably right,whatever "scientific' answer you pull out of the air will be proven wrong by "science" in 5 years.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 20, 18 12:16 PM
Most likely not. But, an "answer" by science has tangibility. And they are still wasted in a debate with you. You will simply find whatever spider silk strand of information you can use to cling to a belief in something which has zero proof of existence.

I'd say peace, but as long as religion isn't a footnote in history it will not happen. I'll just say Ubuntu.
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 20, 18 4:52 PM
Your "answer" by "science" will most likely be refuted and re "answered" by "science" while my "spider silk strand" will hold with the strength of time. Since the beginning civilizations have believed in a power greater than themselves, and it wasn't until His Son came did the answer appear.

ALL religions believe in Jesus. Judaism, Islam, Ahmadiyya, Bahá’í, Hinduism, Buddhism, and the New Age Movement.

One man transcends time and religion, your "science" barely ...more
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 23, 18 12:02 AM
If god resides in the realm beyond explanations, then he is ever-shrinking.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 23, 18 9:29 AM
That's the problem with you and those like you.you spend so much time thinking you know it all and it shows.

Too many self important braggards.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 23, 18 8:22 PM
How many religions are now footnotes of history? So much for "ALL religions", eh? Perhaps you choose to lay claim to a more recent "God". Superstition, ignorance, and fear pass away as a society (hopefully) evolves.

However, history shows that religion again and again is a matter of vogue. Phoenicians, Sumerians, Greeks, Romans, the list goes on and on of superstitions which have passed into history. Believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster for all I care, but know that science is ...more
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 24, 18 8:28 PM
Let me know when your great all knowing tangible science cures the common cold, or even easier.....accurately predicates the weather.

Until then it seems the flying monkeys are circling under a tinfoil hat.
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 24, 18 10:15 PM
"Scientists have discovered the earliest known Hebrew writing — an inscription dating from the 10th century B.C., during the period of King David's reign.

The breakthrough could mean that portions of the Bible were written centuries earlier than previously thought. (The Bible's Old Testament is thought to have been first written down in an ancient form of Hebrew.)"

Evolving society....just takes some time, eh? Hopefully whatever society you relate to finally "evolves"

MY ...more
May 25, 18 10:40 PM appended by Bayman3142
Cue the ignorance in 3....2.....1.....
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on May 24, 18 10:40 PM
Are you referring to the Jewish people as your society?

How advanced can a society that rejects cheeseburgers be?
May 25, 18 6:24 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
No sense of humor? Quit kvetching.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 25, 18 6:24 AM
The last 5 Presidents all promised on multiple occasions to move the embassy and honor the capital of Israel as Jerusalem. Trump was the only one who wasn't lying.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on May 15, 18 8:33 PM
These aren't lies either:

Besides being built illegally [Israeli settlements] on private and public Palestinian land, settlements impact the day-to-day life of Palestinians in many ways.

In 2016, the UN found that the economy of the occupied Palestinian territories would be twice as large if the 50-year occupation were lifted.

Israel's policies of occupation and settlement have come to be seen as a purposeful strategy of de-development to weaken resistance to military ...more
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 15, 18 9:12 PM
My point is that we , as a sovereign nation, have the right too choose where we set up our Embassy.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on May 16, 18 6:13 AM
Consequences be dammed, just like in 1948 when people were displaced to create Israel in the first place.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 6:16 AM
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I have friends whose family was forcibly removed from their ancestral lands and understand the animosity towards Israel. That being said I stand by my post above.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on May 16, 18 8:13 AM
It's not even about animosity, it's simple cause and effect.

Of course we have a "right" (as in a privilege) to decide where our embassy is.

The question is whether it's the "right" (as in correct) thing to do.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 8:20 AM
Why would it not be the correct thing to do ?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 16, 18 11:26 AM
Predictable and unnecessary loss of life is the first thing that comes to mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 11:33 AM
No kidding....it's been predictable the last 70 years ,where have you been ? If you really believe a protest was not going to occur anyway, at some point for any number of reasons, you're naïve. What was different between the years 1995 -2018 as compared to when these "peaceful protests" took place ? The conflict in the region occurred during those years did it not ?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 16, 18 4:10 PM
It sounds like you believe the same loss of life would have happened this week if we hadn't made the decision to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.

I don't share that view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 4:44 PM
The bottom line is that if you truly meant to create peace and not brush aside ethnic cleansing there would be two embassies.

I mean honestly; killing Samaritans?
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 16, 18 8:59 PM
Samaritans...? Please explain.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 17, 18 8:36 AM
According to wikipedia, Samaritans are "an ethnoreligious group of the Levant originating from the Israelites (or Hebrews) of the Ancient Near East," some of whom live in modern-day Palestine.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 17, 18 9:31 AM
Thanks..but I was being sarcastic and , asking Z....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 17, 18 10:31 AM
Apologies. I interpreted that as a genuine request for edification and thought you'd be better off not having to wait.
May 17, 18 10:35 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
At least now Z knows not to waste his time answering facetious questions!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 17, 18 10:35 AM
LEE ZELDIN ROCKS !!!!!!
By pw herman (1009), southampton on May 16, 18 8:56 AM
Rocks? In his head? Undoubtably. I used to think he was a good guy. No more.He no more represents his constituents than Trump represents America. Check Zeldin's funding sources; check his pathetic record of not voting independently. Check some of the dumb legislation he's associated with, like "protecting?" the sadly toxic waste dump called Plum Island? Securing his Durable Medical Equipment political donations? He refuses to discuss affordable health care. He has become the swamp. Obsequious photo ...more
By Jean (79), whb on May 16, 18 2:52 PM
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Ah yes
It’s good to know the lies and propaganda about Israel are alive and well
SMH
What a shame
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 16, 18 9:05 AM
Can you please specify which lies and propaganda you refer to? I'd like to know your views.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 9:13 AM
Everything you just posted ....is a lie.
However I will never convince you so no worries....
There’s plenty of information on line to debunk every anti Israel and anti Zionist claim.
So do your own research
Trust me I’m not concerned about being “redlined”, I just don’t have the time to educate you ...
May 16, 18 9:23 AM appended by Sturgis
Oh here we go ...with your sarcasm and games ....I’ll take the bait just this one time .... Besides the fact that America has that right, yes that’s true Happy now But seriously Do some research
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 16, 18 9:23 AM
So the part where I said "we have a "right" (as in a privilege) to decide where our embassy is" is a lie?

You don't think we have a right to decide where our embassy is?
May 16, 18 9:29 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Oops, that was a duplicate. Anyway, feel free to mull it over and get back to us tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 9:29 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 9:29 AM
To your append: is it a lie that people were displaced from their homes during the establishment of Israel in 1948?

Looking back at my comments, that's the only other claim I made.
May 16, 18 10:04 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
That's right, gotta wait till tomorrow for the answer, if it ever comes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 10:04 AM
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By johnj (834), Westhampton on May 16, 18 9:59 AM
Once again, Lee Zeldin has proven to us why he is unqualified to be our elected member of Congress. His grasp of both history and diplomacy are woefully lacking. By moving our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Trump has changed the perceived status of The United States from trusted impartial peacemaker to partisan partner of Israel - so much for the "Art of the Deal".

This move wiped out 70 years of difficult diplomatic work to bring peace to this area. I am positive that Lee hasn't ...more
By SpeedRacer (99), Southampton on May 16, 18 12:38 PM
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Are you for real...70 years of difficult diplomatic work ??? The PLO refused each and every plan for peace and a sovereign state. Is giving Gaza back one example of diplomatic work? We see how well that turned out...Peace will be achieved when Israel's neighbors and the PLO acknowledge Israel's right to exist.... period. This embassy move did not change a thing, it was just an excuse to riot .The JEA was written in 1995 but never implemented. Did peace exist in the region between 1995 and when these ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 18, 18 11:54 AM
Jerusalem is stolen land.

At the founding of the state of Israel, Jerusalem was designated "corpus separatum" by the UN, intended to be governed by an international regime due to its sacredness to three major religions. Israel occupied it by military force and has remained in occupation since. That's against international law, just as was the German occupation of Poland in WWII.

Up until now, the US has tacitly approved of the Israeli occupation. With the move of the embassy ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 16, 18 1:29 PM
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It's all stolen land if you go back far enough. In any event, my suggestion for dealing with the problem at hand:

Why don't we carve out some land and give the people living in walled-in ghettos a homeland of their own? What could go wrong?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 16, 18 2:00 PM
The violence in Gaza has ZERO to do with the embassy and EVERYTHING to do with the rejection of the existence of Israel, anywhere in the region, period. Nothing new.
It's been confirmed that Egyptian intelligence warned Hamas about further instigation against Israel and also had evidence that Hamas paid civilians to approach the border. There's also been confirmation that 53 of the casualties were Hamas members , not civilians. Again this was not a peaceful protest. It's Hamas doing what it ...more
May 17, 18 11:06 AM appended by Sturgis
Pretty sure I made myself clear. Also, they were not unarmed. They're pawns used by Hamas, many being Hamas members. But you have your mind made up and that's fine. Do a little more research, start with Kerem Shalom crossing. It's clear your bias against Israel is keeping you from the truth.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 17, 18 11:06 AM
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So you also believe the same loss of life would have occurred this week if the embassy hadn't been moved?

If unarmed civilians are intentionally shot by sniper fire does it matter what political party they belong to?
May 17, 18 11:12 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Perhaps you think those holding sticks and stones are deserving of distant sniper fire. I don't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 17, 18 11:12 AM
I've already answered your loss of life question. In reference to your sticks and stones comment ,you failed to mention a few key details....such as the Molotov cocktails, homemade bombs, knives bulldozers and my personal favorite the kites with the swastikas carrying incendiary payloads that have caused highly destructive fires. You choose to believe that these people aren't armed. You also choose to believe that this is a peaceful protest of the embassy move. It makes your anti Israel rhetoric ...more
May 18, 18 8:37 AM appended by Sturgis
I stated that at least 53 of the "peaceful protesters" killed were Hamas members. But according to you, an unarmed Hamas member is not a terrorist. Interesting theory.......Unarmed paid civilians that approached the fence were following Hamas' orders. These people are called pawns. I'm not sure if any IDF were killed or injured but I'm sure you'll be pleased to know plenty have been over the many years of conflicts. It's very clear to me that you are unfamiliar with the definitions of terrorism,war and self defense. You choose to ignore facts and you repeat yourself in some desperate attempt to prove your ridiculous point. Oh and I left something out of my post earlier: flaming tires.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 18, 18 8:37 AM
So if I find a single instance of an unarmed protester who was shot by distant sniper fire, are you wrong?

How many Israeli military have been injured?
May 18, 18 9:24 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I don't understand how you can justify shooting an unarmed person to death. No matter what they did yesterday or what they may do tomorrow, they are not a threat today from hundreds of yards away.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 18, 18 9:24 AM
In Israel's previous attack on Gaza, back in 2014, it sent its army and air force against a civilian population. 1500 died then. Thank god that today it's only 60.

Further proof that human life that isn't Jewish holds no value for the Israeli government.
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 17, 18 2:01 PM
Yes because that's what Israel does. Attacks without ANY provocation whatsoever ! You too are leaving out some key details. Thank God its only 60 with 53 of them being confirmed Hamas terrorists. Have some of the pawns of Hamas been killed ..yes. The fact that the IDF has limited the damage to that point is remarkable . But I must remember you historically disagree with Israel defending her borders and citizens , which include Arab Muslims.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 18, 18 8:54 AM
"Have some of the pawns of Hamas been killed ..yes."

Unarmed civilian pawns are still unarmed civilians.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 18, 18 12:04 PM
No, what Israel does is respond to "provocation", however insubstantial, with overwhelming, indiscriminate, deadly force - - - so long as there is no possibilty that a Jew would be harmed in the process.

The examples of this are myriad. In addition to the current Gaza killings, there is the Gaza slaughter of 2014; the various killings of international aid workers trying to protect innocent Palestinian civilians; and, lest we forget, the killing of our countrywoman, Rachel Corrie, whose ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 18, 18 12:22 PM
Wrong...
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 18, 18 12:43 PM
Highhatsize,,MrZ ,ForeignHB, et al... I am sure the Shinnecock Nation and all native born people (North & South America) are happy to hear that Europeans are going back to Europe and giving them back the Land their Gods gave them.
By SpeedRacer (99), Southampton on May 18, 18 1:33 PM
What a strange comment, can anyone decipher what it means?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 19, 18 10:30 AM
To HHS
You are correct Jerusalem WAS stolen....by Jordanians.
The UN partition plan did call for Jerusalem to become a corpus separatum but this was to be for only 10 years after which the city's status was to be redetermined in a referendum. However the Jordanians basically nullified the corpus separatum by ILLEGALLY occupying eastern parts of Jerusalem. This is very similar to the way a Palestinian state was nullified because of the attack perpetrated on Israel the day it became a state.

As ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 19, 18 3:19 PM
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Israel should respond to indiscriminate deadly force in a way other than indiscriminate deadly force.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 19, 18 9:20 PM
Really? In your opinion, phone calls, dropping leaflets and roof knocking is indiscriminate...interesting. Tell me , because I can see you have all the answers, what should Israel do about rockets, Molotov cocktails, terror tunnels? One more question. If the Jews are such blood thirsty land thieves with no regard for human life and they have all the good weapons....why are there any Palestinians alive at all ????
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 19, 18 11:01 PM
I was talking specifically about the recent unarmed civilians who were hit with sniper fire from hundreds of yards away.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 19, 18 11:03 PM
Yea ...sure .
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 19, 18 11:32 PM
C'mon sturg. You only get so many posts a day, don't waste them!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 19, 18 11:37 PM
@ Biba:

Casuistry.

Be they Gentiles or Muslims, Jordanians or Ottomans, the Arabs owned Jerusalem for 2,000 years before the Israelis stole it from them in 1948.

A total of 43 civilians (including 11 Palestinians) were killed by Gazan rocket attacks in the 10 years from 2004 to 2014. In response to which Israel sent in tanks and bombers and killed 2300 (unarmed or extremely lightly armed) Palestinians, including 1500 civilians (according to the UN Human Rights Committee) ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 19, 18 7:55 PM
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You know what Israel has that we don't? Free highly effective healthcare for all its citizens, Arab and Jew, and the highest per capita number of doctors in the world. Despite paying a greater percentage of GDP for their military than the USA.

Can someone ask the Honorable Lee Zeldin how this is possible?
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 21, 18 10:20 AM
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You know what Israel also doesn't have? People flooding over the border for their free healthcare.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 21, 18 10:49 AM
You either respect Israel and appreciate their friendship or you're a terrorist. It's not rocket science.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 21, 18 10:50 AM
Not rocket science, but awfully absolutist.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 21, 18 11:01 AM
@ SlimeAlive

Quote:

"You either respect Israel and appreciate their friendship or you're a terrorist. It's not rocket science."
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A corollary to the other Right-Wing Israelophile belief that "everyone who disagrees with a Jew or who criticizes the government of Israel is an anti-Semite. Q.E.D."
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 22, 18 2:15 PM
On the contrary HHS, what I posted is 100% the complete opposite of casuistry.
The best response I can give to your first sentence is to suggest reading a fantastic article in the Jerusalem Post titled: We never left : The Jews' continued presence in the land of Israel. I know how you feel about my suggestions so let me be clear and say these suggestions are for the other readers

For anyone interested in even more proof of the right for Jews to live in the region, Google the anthropologist ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 21, 18 11:44 AM
Do terrorists not have human rights?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 21, 18 11:51 AM
Let me guess....YOU think they do.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 21, 18 2:38 PM
I'm no Amal Clooney, but I gather that the only requirement to have human rights is to...you know...be human.

To dehumanize one group of people today just creates a precedent for it to happen to you tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 21, 18 3:13 PM
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When terrorists decide to adhere to the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights is when the same courtesy should be extended to them. Again it's difficult because many of the nations that are members of the UN Human Rights Council are some of the worst violators of....human rights. Now don't get too excited as this is just my opinion.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 22, 18 2:47 PM
Your opinion, distilled, is that whether someone is deserving of human rights depends on their beliefs.

Be careful what you wish for.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 22, 18 2:50 PM
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If someone holds a belief that is sub human or when one behaves in a sub human manner, I do not believe they deserve human rights. Again I get that this is quite subjective so relax, it's just my opinion. However since you crave answers I'll give you an example. I'm Jewish ,so when an individual is shouting "death to Jews" and "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" I consider that person to be, sub human. I'm sure YOU consider me to be sub human because YOU feel my people stole land ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 22, 18 5:54 PM
I really appreciate you engaging with me on this. I do not consider you subhuman. I think Irsaelis have the right to defend themselves reasonably from imminent threats, for example from people whose explicit intent is to beget violence. I don't think Israelies need to dehumanize their opponents to achieve the goal of defending themselves.

I've been called things like "pure evil" on this forum, so trust that I won't take it personally: do you consider me subhuman?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 22, 18 6:02 PM
Chilling photo
By johnj (834), Westhampton on May 21, 18 12:15 PM
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****eye roll****
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 21, 18 1:33 PM
To Senor Highhat:
Jerusalem was attacked and taken by Jordan in the war following the division of the Jewish state and the Arabs by the UN. Between 1948 and 1967, Jews were expelled from the Old City, the Jewish Quarter was demolished and the gravestones in Jewish cemetery used as paving. Only when the '67 war was over were Jews allowed to live there again, along with Arabs, both Christian and Moslem. There is an Armenian Quarter there as well.

As for Rachel Corrie and her Palestinian ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 21, 18 12:30 PM
@ Biba

The Shinnecock Indians have a far better claim to the land that your house sits on than the Israelis have to Jerusalem.

Do you intend to hand it back to them?

Rachel Corrie, our countrywoman, was peacefully protecting Palestinian homes in Gaza from demolition when an IDF soldier crushed her under the tracks of his bulldozer in contemptuous disregard of her life. In THIS country, he would have been charged with homicide for "depraved indifference" to the consequences ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 21, 18 3:09 PM
It's settled, done and over. If the Palestinians don't like where they are they can return to their homeland in Yonkers.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on May 22, 18 7:16 AM
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Ironic isn't it?

Israel engaging in ethnic cleansing.
By Mr. Z (10235), North Sea on May 22, 18 8:19 PM
Not really, because Israel is not engaging in ethnic cleansing, just sayin.........
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 23, 18 9:09 AM
They're just walling people into ghettos and infringing on their freedom of movement, their access to goods, etc.

It may not be bonafide genocide, but there are some dark parallels.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 23, 18 9:15 AM
Please tell me where are the ghettos.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 23, 18 10:39 AM
Gaza is a ghetto. It has been ghettoed by restrictions on the movement of people and goods.

Ghetto, (n): a part of a city, especially a slum area, occupied by a minority group or groups. An isolated or segregated group or area.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 23, 18 10:49 AM
Humpin' Bays, Sufferin' County, Wrong Island
By pw herman (1009), southampton on May 23, 18 10:58 AM
To HHS
In response to your first sentence .....again, you are 100% incorrect. Even Chief Anne Richardson of the Rappahannock Tribe in Virginia and Santos Hawks Blood Suarez ,an Apache activist both agree that Jews are indigenous to Israel.

As for our countrywoman Rachel Corrie lets try this again....

Rachel Corrie joined an organization that however "peaceful" in appearance was definitely PRO terrorist. Rachel was peacefully and at her own risk, protecting homes that were ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 23, 18 4:07 PM
I know what a ghetto is. A few members of my family suffered in the Warsaw ghetto only to be shipped to the Treblinka extermination camp.

In no way whatsoever is Gaza comparable to the Warsaw or any other ghetto for that matter.
And this is not Israel's fault, Hamas is the reason for the blockade therefore blame the "ghetto" situation on Hamas. Keep in mind, Hamas was elected democratically....

I don't remember reading about mansions, shopping malls, a kids water park ( destroyed ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 24, 18 9:30 AM
Not fire on unarmed protesters from hundreds of yards away.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 24, 18 9:36 AM
Oh ok.....
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 25, 18 7:46 AM
This statement from Senor Alta Sombrero is not true: In THIS country, he would have been charged with homicide for "depraved indifference"
Google:
"Veteran, Activist Recalls Losing Legs To Train In Concord Protest"
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 22, 18 10:50 AM
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Sombrero is masculine, so "alto" is the correct form.

Also, the order is noun then adjective.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 22, 18 10:54 AM
Sorry, I meant Senor Bravo Sierro Artisto.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 22, 18 12:29 PM
No need to apologize, attempting to speak another language is admirable!

Doing it right even moreso!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 22, 18 12:42 PM
Fore, quit trying to confuse gringos
By Fred s (357), Southampton on May 22, 18 12:28 PM
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:)
By Fred s (357), Southampton on May 22, 18 12:28 PM
:)
By Fred s (357), Southampton on May 22, 18 12:28 PM

@ Biba

You just don't get it.

Accepting, arguendo, that The Jews and the Shinnecocks are equally "indigenous" then if you believe that the Jews have the right to Israel by virtue of their prior habitation, then the Shinnecock Indians have the right to YOUR HOUSE by the same rationalization. Give it back!

Your comments about Rachel Corrie are blatant lies. She was a member of the International Solidarity Movement, an entirely peaceful organization. The home ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 23, 18 7:00 PM
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By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 26, 18 8:08 AM
HHS Read your last paragraph back to yourself....that's my answer to you.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 23, 18 7:34 PM
Here's some advice:. If a freight train or a bull dozer is headed towards you, move out of the way. If it's being driven by an Israeli, a US Army Sargeant, or a Native American.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 23, 18 11:43 PM
@ Sturgis

Quote:

"So you tell me...after land for peace and intercepting rockets for two years...what should Israel do ?"
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It should end the blockade and divert the billions of dollars that it plans to spend on more illegal West Bank Jewish settlements towards improving the Gazan economy. Then it should reorient its potent propaganda consortium away from finessing Americans and towards making sure that Gazans know that their continued ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 24, 18 10:06 AM
Ending the blockade will work as well as land for peace did. Millions in aid have already been squandered. You are either obtuse or naïve if you actually believe Hamas will cease provoking Israel.
The ONLY solution to this is for ALL of the Arabs and Muslim states to acknowledge and accept Israel's right to exist, and to disband terrorist groups such as Hamas.
I'm not sure how many gentiles the Israeli government is killing but I do know gentiles are at a higher risk of death in most ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 24, 18 2:17 PM
Why should I care if someone wants to kill themself in a tribal war 6,000 miles away? Should I care aboiut the ISIS combatants from the USA who fought in Syria? Stupid is stupid, suicidal is suicidal.

As for anyone, Native Americans or not, demanding my home, I say: Molon labe.

My point remains: what does Israel do that gives all of their citizens free and effective healthcare for all -- Muslim, Armenian, Druze and Jew -- while their government spends a greater percentage ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 24, 18 12:23 PM
God Bless Israel, God Bless President Trump and God Bless the USA.

By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 25, 18 6:13 AM
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@ Sturgis

Quote

"One more time...Rachel Corrie entered a war zone at her own risk. Why is America responsible ?"
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Because we have signaled Israel that it can murder Americans with impunity, beginning with our collusion in whitewashing its slaughter of 34 American sailors on the USS Liberty in 1967. Had we levied a condign punishment on Israel back THEN, would one of its creatures have DARED subsequently to lay a finger on our countrywoman? ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 25, 18 8:30 AM
A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Roert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on May 25, 18 10:16 AM
AGAIN.....Rachel Corrie was either aware of the dangers of entering a war zone or ,was lied to about just how dangerous the region is. I know one thing is for sure , she was the perfect useful idiot. The Palestinians used her just as they've been used by their own brethren. It's a sick vicious cycle. Israelis love America.

Israelis don't "hold Palestinian lives in contempt" . Israelis are protecting all the citizens of Israel against terrorism.These citizens include Jews, Christians and ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 25, 18 10:04 AM
How does shooting unarmed protesters from hundreds of yards away protect anyone from imminent harm?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 25, 18 10:16 AM
FBHB
The rioters , not "peaceful protesters" are hurling explosive devices, Molotov cocktails and my personal favorite, incendiary kites emblazoned with swastikas....you know...because that's exactly what would convince the Jews that this is a peaceful event......a reminder of the fact that these people intend to finish what Hitler started.

Again, 50 of the individuals killed were Hamas members, And there still exists, no matter how careful ANY army is, casualties of war. Your logic ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 26, 18 7:58 AM
So let's go with that: how far can you throw a tire? Is your throw likely to hurt anyone a hundred yards away?

Suggesting that Israel should do a better job minimizing casualties does not make anyone anti-Israel.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 28, 18 9:27 AM
Confucius say he who run towards bullets have holes in more than decision making process.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 26, 18 8:07 AM
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@ Sturgis

I commend the following article to your attention. It neatly debunks all the lies that the Israeli government has promoted to conceal its murder of my American countrywoman, including the claim that she was in a "war zone". (By the by, it's written by an Israeli Jew.):

"No Justice for Rachel Corrie" by Neve Gordon (The Nation, August 31, 2012)

We have no footage of the most recent confrontation in Gaza because Israeli censors prohibited it. The only video ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 26, 18 12:58 PM
HHS
There are plenty of anti Israelis living in Israel just as there are anti Americans living in America. They have something in common. They're still alive. I wonder what happens when a Saudi Arabian criticizes Saudi Arabia..?

Neve Gordon is entitled to his opinion, key word opinion. However it doesn't debunk anything. Again he's lucky he lives in a democracy.

Anyway, I cry for the forgotten Rachels.. Innocent people just going about their lives. Killed because of terrorism. ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 27, 18 12:20 PM
@ Sturgis

Yet MORE casuistry.

Rather than merely defaming Neve Gordon as "anti-Israeli" because he revealed his government's lies about the Rachel Corrie killing (One of which, its assertion that it took place in a "war zone", you simply repeat.), why didn't you smear him with the "self-hating Jew" label that is so much more popular with Likudniks for fellow Jews who criticize their homicidal bigotry and racism?

Mr. Gordon's article may be "opinion" but that opinion ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 27, 18 7:34 PM
I'm convinced the place you pledge your allegiance is located in Yaphank....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 27, 18 8:41 PM
To HHS

Why do you accuse everyone of casuistry ? Because you can't admit you're wrong ?

To your first paragraph ...relax.

Nothing was authenticated. If you're into propaganda check out some of the garbage Pallywood churns out. It's hilarious !!

It's not irrelevant when terrorists are killed. It's a victory against terrorism.

Flying incendiary kites decorated with swastikas....you left that part out.

They're not " only palestinains" , they're ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 28, 18 9:14 AM
@ Sturgis

No, Sturgis, I call you a casuist because of your specious "reasoning", such as that which graces your ultimate comment.

To begin with, you post a groundless rejection of the assertions made by the author in my citation without specifying which of them you contend are false, much less counterpoising any authoritative citations in rebuttal. (Let me give you a hand: WHY is Neve Gordon speaking falsely, in your opinion, when he says that the construction site where Rachel ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 28, 18 12:55 PM
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HHS
I'm stating facts. Everything you post is false. It was indeed a war zone. Military operations were being carried out to combat terrorism. Because as you know, Gaza was returned for peace.

I don't need to "justify" anything. Terrorists that commit terrorism run the risk of being killed. It's a chance all Hamas members and paid civilians that democratically elected Hamas ,are more than willing to take.

The act of flying kites with incendiary devices decorated with swastikas ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 29, 18 10:40 AM
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So everyone that died was an imminent threat to the Israeli people in your view?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 29, 18 10:58 AM
@ Sturgis

Yet MORE unsubstantiated, amorphous, casuistic blather.

You're not talking to Israelophile true believers here.

MAKE YOUR CASE.
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 29, 18 11:07 AM
Make my case ??? I believe I did.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 29, 18 11:12 AM
@ Sturgis

["sigh"]

No, all we have seen to date from you and your Israelophile colleagues is naked belief and the parroting of (equally unsubstantiated) Israeli propaganda. Not an iota of objective fact or authoritative opinion from a source without a patently vested interest.

(I.e. the "same old same old" of true believers who expect homicidal Israelis to be excepted from the requirement of human decency that we look for in everyone ELSE in the world.)
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 29, 18 12:30 PM
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Yes HHS .......SIGH indeed.....

And the rest of us have suffered reading your Islamophile love letters and your disgusting justification and at times, complete denial of terrorism.

Human decency was on full display at the security / border fence when the IDF showed extreme restraint while listening to a bunch of savage terrorists spew , "kill the Jews" as they're attempting to breach the border. Kill the Jews is something Jews have been listening to since 5/14/1948 and to be ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 30, 18 9:56 AM
Israeli snipers shot at, and killed, people who were hundreds of yards away from the fence, some of them unarmed.

Condemning the unnecessary taking of lives is not supporting Hamas or anti-Israel.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 30, 18 10:02 AM
It's your opinion that it was unnecessary and that they were unarmed. Again, you choose to believe that Hamas and the Palestinians that willingly elected the terrorist organization known as Hamas,are not terrorists . It's ok, it's your right to do so. Just as it's Israel's right to take all threats from a terrorist organization seriously and protect all of Israel's citizens. You choose to accept Hamas' propaganda as fact knowing ( or not perhaps ??) that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 30, 18 11:59 AM
Unnecessary is indeed evaluative and deserves a definition: the taking of life is unnecessary when it doesn't protect anyone from imminent deadly force. Unarmed is factual.

Hamas is indeed a militant fundamentalist organization. One that achieves its aims through indiscriminate violence and terrorism.

Condemning the killing of unarmed protesters who are not an imminent danger, the legality of which is currently being debated in Israeli Supreme Court by the way, is not support for ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 6:32 AM
@ Sturgis

Your recent posts have made your grotesque extremism clear, to wit:

You approve of and advocate the killing of any Palestinian who SAYS threatening things about Jews or even THINKS them - - - and the only criterion by which you determine Palestinian thought is whether or not the Individual IS PALESTINIAN!

Such depravity would leave one speechless were it not for the fact that the behavior of Israells over the past five decades long ago made it crystally clear ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 30, 18 12:33 PM
Hahahah MY grotesque extremism ....that's RICH !!!!

I approve of the self defense measures taken when threatened by terrorists screaming KILL THE JEWS while storming a border / security fence...

Your math is off. Also, Israel was attacked on 5/14/1948 by people screaming ...KILL THE JEWS
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 31, 18 11:35 AM
So EVERYONE who was killed was a terrorist?

ALL casualties were storming the fence while screaming "kill the Jews"?

The video evidence doesn't support that view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 11:58 AM
The Pallywood videos ? Hahahahahaha
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on May 31, 18 12:26 PM
"Israeli military defends tactics as video appears to show unarmed Gaza protesters shot by snipers" - The Telegraph, March 31, 2018
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 1:33 PM
HHS is not considering the desire for martyrdom and Virginpalooza
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 30, 18 1:18 PM
Please ...he's a disgraceful anti Semite that gives terrorists a pass as long as they're killing Jews .
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 30, 18 2:07 PM
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@ Biba

Quote:

"[H]e's a disgraceful anti Semite that gives terrorists a pass as long as they're killing Jews .
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By your definition (i.e. "Anti-Semite: One who disagrees with a Jew or with the policy of the government of Israel"), EVERYONE ON EARTH is an anti-Semite, including you.

The remainder of your comment is just another one of your tedious, bald-faced lies.

You have become so accustomed ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on May 30, 18 8:39 PM
Gaza also shares a border with Egypt. Why is the Egyptian Government not permitting unrestricted access to any Gazans who want to emigrate to Gaza? Egypt controlled Gaza for far longer than Hamas has been in existence.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 30, 18 9:17 PM
Egypt actually opened the Gaza border after seeing what was happening.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 6:32 AM
I wonder why it was closed before. Could it be because Hamas is killing Egyptian policemen? Or because Hamas and the other unelected Palestinian government are at each other's throats?

The head of the Palestinian police said Wednesday that Hamas must disarm to allow a landmark reconciliation deal signed last month with rivals Fatah to succeed.

Hazem Atallah’s comments came as cracks began to show in the Palestinian reconciliation deal mediated by Egypt over the issue of ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 31, 18 10:32 AM
And despite their apprehension of armed terrorists within Gaza, Egypt saw the humanitarian need to open the border in the aftermath of the most recent killings of unarmed Palestinians along the border fence.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 10:50 AM
To HHS

Interesting conclusion. Odd because I do not disagree with what Israel does to protect all of the citizens of Israel. I'm aware that Arabs are Semites ? Is that what you're trying to convey ?

No, no lies on my part ...

The professional victims and their promoters are the "Palestinians" and the Arabs that have held them hostage for the last 70 years.

Correction. Approximately 12 civilians that democratically elected terrorists to power and 50 "actual" ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on May 31, 18 12:07 PM
So of those twelve civilians, you would not condemn the death of a single one? Were they all an imminent danger to Israel? Even unarmed?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 2:00 PM
Nobody has to define antisemitism. It's like pornography. You just know it when you see it. The embassy moved and Hamas has gone home - seems like it's a done deal and not one human being was harmed.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on May 31, 18 7:33 AM
The people killed weren't human beings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 8:41 AM
You need to do a little research before throwing stones:

On Sunday, a Palestinian terrorist entered the home of Dafna Meir in the Jewish settlement of Otniel and brutally stabbed her to death in front of three of her six children. A day later, another knife-wielding Palestinian seriously wounded a 30-year-old pregnant woman in the nearby Jewish community of Tekoa.

Meir’s older teenage daughter witnessed the attack, and told authorities that her mother wrestled with the terrorist ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on May 31, 18 10:34 AM
You're citing an attack from 2016 by a despicable perpetrator who is a human being none-the-less.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on May 31, 18 10:41 AM
@ Biba

Quote:

"Interesting conclusion. Odd because I do not disagree with what Israel does to protect all of the citizens of Israel. I'm aware that Arabs are Semites ? Is that what you're trying to convey ?"
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No, Biba, no one who has read any of your opinions can imagine ANY depravity that the Israeli government could commit of which you would not approve - - - even when its victims are our own countrymen, but one presumes that you ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 1, 18 7:52 AM
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HHS
Contrary to what you believe I do not relish death. I do however understand that after over 130 years of killing Jews (with 70 of those years threatening to destroy the state of Israel ),the country has every right to defend itself. Apparently you're still considerably confused as to how threats and THOUGHTS turned into action,(5/14/1948) will cause a reaction.

Anti Semite : A person who is hostile to, or prejudiced against Jews.

I'm disappointed when Jews turn their ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 1, 18 11:28 AM
If anyone behaves in a depraved manner, regardless of instigation, that depravity should be condemned. It does not mean instigators are in the right, but it does mean that the instigated party's response is not without consequence.

Killing unarmed civilians is wrong, no matter how you slice it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 1, 18 11:31 AM
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FBHB

It's your opinion, based on Hamas' propaganda and dishonest and/or incorrect reporting in many publications ,that they were unarmed and/or civilians.... For example, Ahmed Abu Hussein was indeed a journalist AND a member of PFLP. It's also a problem that you do not accept although horrible, there is such a thing as casualties of war, in a war.

Yes killing is wrong. Perhaps you could take a trip to Gaza and remind them that Israel gave Gaza back for peace, and while you're ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 1, 18 1:47 PM
I'm not vilifying Israel for practicing self-defense, I'm agreeing they have a right to self-defense while pointing out that some actions by the Israeli military do not serve that purpose, primarily the killing of unarmed civilians from hundreds of yards away.

Video doesn't lie, no matter how many times you repeat "anti-semitic":

"Israeli military defends tactics as video appears to show unarmed Gaza protesters shot by snipers" - The Telegraph, March 31, 2018
Jun 1, 18 2:07 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
If your position is that all reporting you disagree with is propaganda, that's the only evidence you need that you're right, isn't it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 1, 18 2:07 PM
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The video does not tell the entire story. Knives are easy to conceal.
It's not a matter of reporting that I personally disagree with, it's reporting that's been debunked.
Camera is a great site. Clears up a lot of "mistakes" made by "journalists".
Where's the evidence that you're correct ? The video ?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 2, 18 8:12 AM
"Israeli military defends tactics as video appears to show unarmed Gaza protesters shot by snipers" - The Telegraph, March 31, 2018
Jun 2, 18 9:02 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It sure is a good thing that the snipers have x-ray vision to see all those concealed weapons, otherwise Israelis wouldn't be safe.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 2, 18 9:02 AM
Actually the USA has killed far more much further away from our own borders so with far less reasonable defense:
"The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 1, 18 9:28 AM
obama was brutal. Between killing unarmed American citizens with drones to earning his nickname as the deporter in chief to the ugly picture of those children he put in cages.. That was not the America we are.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Jun 1, 18 12:06 PM
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Agreed. That he is the first president to authorize the extrajudicial assassination of an American citizen based abroad by drone strike will forever be a stain on his legacy.

I don't think whataboutism absolves Israel, though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 1, 18 12:22 PM
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I was more responding to HighHat with the comment -- he seems to think that Israeli attacks against protestors storming a border fence is indicative of a specific Israeli trait. The UN votes against Israeli violence, and not the Syrian murder of innocents or the US drone killings of civilians -- this is what prompts the Israeli government to cite as anti-Semitic treatment. The "blood libel" accusations of Arab governments consistently put the Palestinian cries of injustice into every debate, and ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 1, 18 1:15 PM
Exactly: whataboutism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 1, 18 1:22 PM
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@dfree: And since you're so fond of the whataboutism: Qatar's the very same country that just bailed out little Prince Kushner
to save his royal heinie on 666 Fifth Avenue in exchange for the sudden lifting of the (previously Kushner-backed) Saudi/U.A.E.-led blockade.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 1, 18 2:17 PM
"whataboutism"? is that a thing? I suppose but what I was thinking of was more "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Which I believe was spoken by a Jew in Jerusalem.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 2, 18 7:15 AM
"Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda."

The fact that unarmed civilians were killed in a previous instance does not excuse the killing of unarmed civilians in this one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 2, 18 7:33 AM
Israel's apologists oppose the same defenses every time the subject of Israeli barbarism arises:

#1) Justifications of Israeli mass killings on the basis of "security".

- - - and when the gratuitous excessiveness of the Israeli response is demonstrated - - -

#2) Claims that the Muslims are WORSE.

- - - and when the nonsensical irrelevancy of that assertion is pointed out - - -

#3) Defamations as anti-Semites of all those who criticize the Israeli ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 2, 18 7:51 AM
Ah yes Islamophilia at it's finest....

Hamas ,a terrorist group with the goal of destroying Israel....storming a border/ security fence = Israeli barbarism.... interesting...

Israel...... bombarded with rockets from Gaza while enduring terrorism from all Palestinians on the ground even AFTER Gaza is returned for peace, is vilified for taking security seriously ...Ok.....5/14/1948 set the tone for how Israelis view their security concerns.

The actions of Muslims speak ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 2, 18 8:38 AM
You keep implying that everyone killed was an imminent threat to Israel.

That's a lie.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 2, 18 9:02 AM
You're entitled to your opinion.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 2, 18 9:23 AM
You keep implying that any attempt by Israel to defend its borders is a direct advocacy of unrestrained aggression.

That's a lie.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 2, 18 9:27 AM
Deport the foreign born Jew haters from our land.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 2, 18 9:57 AM
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You seem nice.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 2, 18 10:44 AM
dfree: I don't think I'm implying that at all.

I'm saying some, not all, of the people killed were unarmed civilians, and that those killings, not all, should be condemned.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 2, 18 10:26 PM
That's a Hamas tactic -- use low IQ, physically and mentally impaired people as suicide attackers to shield their trained soldiers that try to kidnap or kill Israelis, then drag their bodies back to Gaza to use as bargaining chips to get previously captured Hamas fighters released from prison.

"Based on such autopsies, Yadgari estimates that at least three of every five bombers suffer from a physical ailment or disability. Adding those who suffer from mental illnesses, the number of sick ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 3, 18 7:51 AM
Are you saying it's ok to kill the unarmed civilians because they're mentally and physically handicapped?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 3, 18 8:11 AM
Hamas says its ok, you shallow thinker you.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 3, 18 8:17 AM
So if Hamas thinks it's ok, then it's ok?

That's the standard we think countries should live up to?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 3, 18 8:31 AM
@ dfree

God knows that Israelophile zealots on this forum have long displayed a careless disregard for the truth, but you have the honor of owning the biggest lie that any has ever tried to foist on us.

Your plagiarized reference and quote are from an NPR article that appeared in 2007 entitled, "Disabled Often Carry Out Afghan Suicide Missions". As the title suggests, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Hamas or the Palestianians or Gaza or Israel.

One doesn't know whether ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 3, 18 8:59 AM
The bad guys are your people, not America's.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 3, 18 9:18 AM
You don't think that Islamic terrorists of Gaza have adopted their tactical procedures for attacking innocent civilians from other radical Islamic organizations?

The basis for much of the PLO and now Hamas and Hezbollah procedure and PR was the IRA terrorist campaign against innocent civilians. These radical groups, including such shining examples of murder and mayhem as the Baader Meinhof Gang and the Red Brigades of Italy all share the philosophy that sacrificing innocent lives is ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 3, 18 9:22 AM
Let's take for granted that Hamas is using this tactic of inserting mentally and physically handicapped people into protests.

How does it justify the killing of unarmed civilians who are not an imminent threat to Israelis?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 3, 18 10:06 AM
I'm willing to bet that you and the Israelis differ on the definition of imminent threat
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 4, 18 9:05 AM
For example, Razan al-Najjar, the 21-year-old Palestinian nurse shot dead by an Israeli sniper on Friday.

A man near the fence was yelling "help me!" and she approached, hands in the air wearing a clearly marked medical vest, only to be snuffed out by sniper fire.

Imminent threat indeed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 4, 18 9:15 AM
FBHG
And again, you are entitled to your opinion.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 5, 18 9:53 AM
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Thanks for the validation, internet stranger.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 11:37 AM
a hypothetical question: if your family was physically removed from their home and land in order to create a "new" country, would you be angry and want to take it back?
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Jun 3, 18 9:54 AM
I would definitely be angry, and can see why some people would engage in (unjustified) violence, but from experience it's less dangerous to immigrate elsewhere.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 3, 18 10:08 AM
Molon labe.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 4, 18 8:28 AM
Bigfresh
With all due respect you're generalizing and leaving out just a few details. And honestly there is not enough time in the day to rehash actual and factual history. Lets keep it somewhat current and simple , lets stick to Gaza and 2005..
Land was RETURNED for peace.
This conflict is not about stolen land.
It's about Israel's right to exist....period.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 4, 18 9:26 AM
@ dfree

Sweet Jesus, dfree, stop dissimulating!

YOU LIED.

You led readers to believe ("This is a Hamas tactic -- etc. ") that observations and comments about the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2007 were actually made about Hamas in Gaza in 2018

Nevertheless, we are grateful for your post. By its crude ineptitude it has highlighted the criteria that Israelophiles consult in making an argument:
-----------------------

1) Will this work?

2) Will ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 3, 18 3:50 PM
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Whoaaaaa Kelly.

A mythomaniac poster pointing fingers.....in BOLD letters?

SHOCKING!
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on Jun 4, 18 9:34 AM
The paucity of your alleged erudition is revealed by your ad hominem attack.

Regardless, you can educate yourself by research or, if you are too entangled in your personal biases to examine the issue independent of your prejudice, you can read this article:
Scientific American, July 27, 2015:
What You Don't Understand about Suicide Attacks
Whether in Chattanooga or Afghanistan, the attacks are driven more by psychological problems than ideology—which hints at a solution

Also, ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 4, 18 8:27 AM
So of the 62, 12 weren't Hamas members. Are any of their deaths unjustified, in your view?

You don't have to be anti-Israel to think they should do a better job preventing civilian casualties.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 4, 18 9:16 AM
To FBHG
This is not the fault of the IDF. The very fact that only 60 were killed is doing a GREAT job. After all, according to you, the IDF just goes around indiscriminately killing Palestinians. The 12 "civilians" were still ,with the program, of killing Jews and supporting the goal of ,"freeing Palestine from the river to the sea". Maybe you should spend some time in Israel in bomb shelters to get the real feel of what its like to be surrounded by terrorists. It's interesting how you know ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 4, 18 9:45 AM
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Do "feelings" justify extrajudicial execution?

I think only acts should be punishable by death.

If any of the 12 killed was not acting in a threatening way, would you condemn their killing?

Condemning one or two unjust deaths does not make you anti-Israel.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 4, 18 10:24 AM
Cement headed.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 4, 18 10:34 AM
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Do you have a contribution other than name-calling?
Jun 4, 18 10:41 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I thought not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 4, 18 10:41 AM
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FBHG...Remember you're entitled to your opinion.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 5, 18 9:31 AM
As are you, as well as entitled to share it!

Care to tell us what your opinion is on the Parkland officers who refused to enter the school?

Didn't you insinuate some kind of conspiracy related to a mosque? I forget...care to remind us?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 11:32 AM
@ dfree

Your post is a LIE, dfree. It is there for all to see. You represented comments and quotations about the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2007 to be about Hamas in Gaza in 2018.

Further, rather than doing the honorable thing by admitting your lie, apologizing, and asking our forgiveness, you compound your felony with a self-serving, sophomoric attempt to obscure the lie by redirecting our attention to other opinions of yours that are merely prejudicial rather than plainly mendacious.

The ...more
Jun 4, 18 12:39 PM appended by highhatsize
Correction - - - *S[F]PD Cops* - - - STPD Cops
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 4, 18 12:39 PM
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks....
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Jun 4, 18 2:44 PM
@HHS

You LIED about the Suffolk PD as a financially feasible alternative.

You LIED about the availability to find budgets.


Further, rather than doing the honorable thing by admitting your lie, apologizing, and asking our forgiveness, you compound your felony with a self-serving, sophomoric attempt to obscure the lie by redirecting our attention to other opinions of yours that are merely prejudicial rather than plainly mendacious, and using a vocabulary not suited ...more
By Bayman3142 (149), Southampton on Jun 4, 18 5:19 PM
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@ Bayman3142

No, Bayman3142, those are both favorite lies of YOURS that are as groundless today as they originally were months ago when you first proposed them in your disquietingly logorrheic disquisition on the $195,000/yr. STPD cops which your obsessiveness so interminably prolonged and in which you so conclusively failed to make every case that you essayed (those included.)

But let's start anew in the interest of relevancy, currency and sanity. Tell us your arguments for believing ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 4, 18 7:42 PM
It's sad when an argument dies -- or in the case of Monsieur Haut Chapeau, when all his arguments die. You can almost see the spittle flecking his computer keyboard as he sputters his nonsense. Here's some more for everyone to read and then ask yourself, if I was facing this threat to my home and family, what would I want my local government to do?
1) KABUL (Reuters) - Gunmen dressed as medics attacked a hospital in the Afghan capital on Wednesday and battled security forces for hours, killing ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 5, 18 7:45 AM
@ dfree

- - - not a word of which diminishes or obscures the magnitude of your LIE:

You represented opinions and comments about the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2007 to be about Hamas in Gaza in 2018.

- - - and you were CAUGHT.

Your continuing rationalizations only serve to keep your mendacity fresh in readers' minds.

While one doesn't expect a Right-Wing Israelophile propagandist suddenly to include HONESTY in his ethical criteria, you might consider ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 5, 18 9:03 AM
Repeated accusations are not an argument. I didn't posit that Afghanistan is Iraq is Hamas is Hezbollah is Iran. I am merely pointing out the connection to lead you to the conclusion that they are related. I used quotes, but not footnotes but will from now on since you are so upset about it.

Do you deny that the tactics of one international terrorist organization cannot be adopted or even taught to another? Or that shared financial sources imply shared tactics? The Israelis are defending ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 5, 18 11:04 AM
I'd argue that trying to distract from the argument is exactly what you're doing by turning it into a debate about "did Hamas insert people with handicaps into the protests?"

That's why, in contrast with hhs, I'm granting you the presumption that they did; how does that justify the killing of unarmed civilians?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 11:10 AM
Massive fire near Sapir College in Sderot caused by a terror kite......
One can only hope that after the kite left the hand of the terrorist , he or she was shot.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 5, 18 11:08 AM
What about the 21 year old nurse? Should she be shot dead because she may save someone's life who may one damage Israeli property?
Jun 5, 18 11:12 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"who may one day damage Israeli property"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 11:12 AM
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By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 5, 18 11:15 AM
In case you didn't hear, her name was Razan al-Najjar and she was shot dead as she approached a man screaming "help me!" with her hands in the air wearing a clearly marked medical vest.

Clearly an imminent threat.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 11:36 AM
FBHG
Perhaps she had a second job just like the journalist Ahmed Abu Hussein. The IDF caught on to this, and the other games Hamas plays such as transporting suicide bombers to the border in ambulances with injured "civilians" and using "civilians" as human shields. But remember these "civilians" are more than willing to join the cause, after all they elected Hamas to power to continue the fight to destroy Israel . Because land for peace worked so well.
As Sturgis states....you're entitled ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 5, 18 1:27 PM
"Perhaps she had a second job"

Perhaps she did, do you have any evidence of it?

In absence of such evidence, this is just another instance of a nonthreatening unarmed civilian whose life was ended by Israeli sniper fire from hundreds of yards away.

That's what you're defending.
Jun 5, 18 1:56 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I'm just saying "maybe she moonlights as a jihadist" is a terrible reason to kill somebody.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 5, 18 1:56 PM
FBHG,

Do you have any evidence she didn't ? She was not killed because she may have had a second job as a terrorist or because she was in a medic uniform, she was killed because she was in the middle of a violent protest where terrorists are attempting to breach a security fence because they're trying to get into Israel to kill Jews.

I'm defending Israel's right to exist and practice self defense.

You're defending a group of individuals that democratically elected terrorists ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 6, 18 8:23 AM
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Why do I need evidence? Doesn't the one making an allegation bear the burden of proof?

Just like your assumption that everyone involved is part of an armed militant group, you have no proof.

You're saying that shooting a nurse with her hands up was in some way defending Israelis from imminent harm.

I don't see it.
Jun 6, 18 8:29 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You can accept this particular death was unjustified without it affecting your opinion on the rest of the people killed. To hold Israel accountable for civilian casualties is not to deny it any right of self-defense.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 6, 18 8:29 AM
FBHG ,

Why do I need evidence ? You're making allegations without evidence correct ?

Bottom line ,it's your opinion versus mine because neither of us were there.

Maybe she was indeed a nurse. Maybe in addition to being a nurse she was a terrorist. Maybe not. Maybe she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time . Maybe the intended target moved and she was hit. You are suggesting that the IDF specifically targeted her. That's YOUR opinion. I'm sure it's chaotic at ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 6, 18 10:09 AM
Because you're the one who said "Perhaps she had a second job."

In any event, the Israeli military's ongoing investigation recently made a preliminary statement that the death appeared to be unintentional.

That is not the same as justified.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 6, 18 10:30 AM
FBHG
And YOU stated that she was a civilian and a nurse.....so again where is YOUR proof ???

We're not talking about justification. We're talking about individuals that are well aware of what they are doing and well aware of the dangers of doing so.
How many times must the definition of collateral damage be explained to you ?

We are talking about the never ending scrutiny and vilification of Israel practicing self defense. We are talking about demonizing the IDF and giving ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 7, 18 8:51 AM
It's a documented fact that she worked with a first response group, she in on video approaching wounded people with her hands raised, and she was killed with a clearly-marked medical vest.

You may be avoiding the topic, but I'm talking about justification.

Israel's actions that cause unarmed civilian casualties should be subject to scrutiny and vilification. That doesn't render the wall, the blockade, or the settlements illegitimate.

You keep talking about the nurse killed ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 7, 18 9:05 AM
@ dfree

Just in case readers may not want to go to the trouble of locating your original post, I'll reproduce it here:

Quote:
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"That's a Hamas tactic -- use low IQ, physically and mentally impaired people as suicide attackers to shield their trained soldiers that try to kidnap or kill Israelis, then drag their bodies back to Gaza to use as bargaining chips to get previously captured Hamas fighters released from prison.

'Based ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 5, 18 2:15 PM
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Herr Hohen Hut:
Ach du lieber. Repeating your refuted arguments ad nauseum does not make them more valid. It merely exposes your prejudice.

HHS: “Rachel Corrie, whose death would be a capital crime under the "depraved indifference" doctrine (but for the fact that she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew.)”

HHS: “Rachel Corrie, our countrywoman, was peacefully protecting Palestinian homes in Gaza from demolition when an IDF soldier crushed her under ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 6, 18 7:04 AM
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Oh, so you're talking about people with anxiety disorders rather than those with learning disabilities or physical impediments?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 6, 18 7:11 AM
Sounds like the description of Southampton Town officials.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 6, 18 7:23 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 6, 18 7:36 AM
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By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 6, 18 7:50 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 6, 18 7:58 AM
@ dfree

You show your ideological stripes once again, dfree. However, notwithstanding the consensus opinion of Right-Wing Israelophile propagandists, repeatedly throwing up clouds of irrelevant jaw-jaw neither neutralizes the poison of your LIE nor draws its sting.

Your apologia for the culpability of Rachel Corrie's IDF killer, and your claim that he is no more guilty than the locomotive driver that ran over a protester in Concord, Ca, is plainly inept. There are many distinct ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 6, 18 9:09 AM
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By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 6, 18 11:14 AM
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To HighHaSize:

You declare that Israelis, or in your exact words “a Jewish (IDF) perp(?) - - - a Gentile victim(?)” was indicative of a general depravity in a specifc society, a special attribute, unique to Israel: “In THIS country, he would have been charged with homicide”. I am pointing out that many countries, including our own, have tragic incidents, perhaps unintended deaths, resulting from the highly charged, chaotic environments that surround passionate protests. ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 7, 18 5:48 AM
It's called rabid anti Semitism . But remember....it's not against the Jews......Just against Israel's founding, existence and policies......
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 7, 18 7:26 AM
No, it isn't about rabid anti-semitism. Note that I've said, over and over, that not every Palestinian casualty was unjustified.

It's about holding Israel to the same standard as any other country, particularly in cases such as the 21 year-old nurse who was unintentionally killed by Israeli sniper fire as she approached a wounded man screaming "help me" with her hands raised.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 7, 18 8:09 AM
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You express far lower standards than the average red blooded American does, that's for sure.
Jun 7, 18 8:31 AM appended by pw herman
This is not a conversation, this is a blanket statement of fact.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 7, 18 8:31 AM
How so?
Jun 7, 18 8:38 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Thanks for your contribution!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 7, 18 8:38 AM
To FBHG...

My comment was directed to dfree re: HHS....
So why are YOU responding defensively ???


To answer this comment I will suggest you read Biba's latest comment to you. I concur.

Jun 7, 18 9:07 AM appended by Sturgis
It applies 1000% in my opinion..... It’s your opinion that it doesn’t
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 7, 18 9:07 AM
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Because you're playing the anti-semitism card where it doesn't apply.
Jun 7, 18 9:15 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Well your opinion is wrong.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 7, 18 9:15 AM
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"The Israeli military released a video Thursday showing a Palestinian volunteer medic who was killed on Friday in Gaza border clashes with the army, throwing a gas canister at the demonstration.

In the video, Razan al-Najjar is seen in a white coat throwing the grenade with her face partially covered by a mask."

And not a nurse. Nurses are educated people with a degree. Not idiots who charge into a war zone and then wonder why they get hit by a stray bullet.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 7, 18 8:04 PM
I guess she's not really doing herself any favors there, is she?

In any event, I doubt the sniper that killed her watched the video before firing the fatal shot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 7, 18 9:00 PM
To FBHG

Are you serious or just obtuse ?

We all know the video wont show if she is or is not, in addition to being a medic or nurse ( if she really was a nurse) also a member of Hamas , PFLP et al.

I've avoided absolutely nothing. You're just rambling on and on and on accusing the IDF of purposely killing "innocent civilians".

This is not about justification. This is about war and collateral damage. Israel and the IDF are OVER scrutinized, vilified for defending ...more
Jun 8, 18 8:45 AM appended by Biba
If you're that resistant to accepting that in the past ( and continue to ) , Hamas uses such tactics as sending people dressed up as medics to the front line or sends suicide bombers in ambulances disguised as injured "civilians"...and you refuse to believe that actually does happen, then you are definitely anti Semitic.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 8, 18 8:45 AM
Why do I need proof she's not a member of Hamas of PFLP?

She may be for all I know, you're the one assuming she is.

You seem to know a lot about this person, including her beliefs and who she voted for, care to share where you got this information from?

At least you agree that it's unfortunate when innocent civilians die. Now can I get you to agree that it's avoidable?
Jun 8, 18 8:50 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Calling things anti-semitic doesn't make them so. The question is whether that was the case HERE. The answer is a resounding NO.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 8, 18 8:50 AM
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To FBHG

Why do I need proof that she is? You're the one assuming she is not. Where is your proof ? Where did you get the information that she was most definitely just a nurse and not a member of a terrorist organization?

How is collateral damage avoidable?
Perhaps taking personal responsibility ? Understanding risk when entering a war zone ?

It's your opinion, that what you are saying is not anti Semitic. Your opinion doesn't make it so....

What case are ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 8, 18 4:43 PM
I'm neither assuming that she was or was not, but I haven't seen evidence that she was while her surviving family and friends insist that the wasn't.

I have consistently said Israel has the right to act in self-defense. What I'm questioning is whether these casualties are necessary to achieve that goal.

I also said the Israeli military has declared she was unintentionally shot, and defer to that finding. There remains no justification for unintentional casualties.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 8, 18 5:01 PM
@ dfree

Thank you, dfree, for your continuing exposition of the stunning casuistry of Israeli apologists.

I have never claimed, as you allege, that IDF crimes are "a special case of an armed force that goes out of its way to kill unarmed civilians." What I HAVE said is that the IDF puts scant value on the lives of non-Jews, kills them with indifference, and that its crimes are habitually covered up and rationalized (as best as possible in light of their appalling magnitude) by ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 8, 18 9:52 AM
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What you wrote, exactly: “Rachel Corrie, whose death would be a capital crime under the "depraved indifference" doctrine (but for the fact that she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew.)”

Also in this last post: "finally uncovering it on a post on Reddit."
Which explains alot. As a recent MIT study has revealed, you are deeply immersed in a culture which rewards sociopathic behavior, in your case manifesting itself as rabid anti-semitism. I suggest you return to your ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 9, 18 6:05 AM
What jews from our community is hhs attacking?

Calling things anti-semitism doesn't make them so.

Calling for accountability of a foreign government is not anti-semitic in and of itself. Can you specify what exactly you are calling anti-semitism?

I don't think it's anything in particular, but rather your ad hominem attempt to shut down the conversation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 9, 18 6:16 AM
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@ dfree

As I predicted, with the fraudulence of your arguments exposed, you descend in your end game to personal invective - - - the s.o.p. of every Right-Wing Israelophile zealot. (Do you lot follow some instruction manual

Yes, I cited the killing of Rachael Corrie as one of the many, many examples of incidents in which the Israeli government and its agents (the IDF bulldozer operator in this case) has derogated Gentile rights - - - to deadly effect. Your point?

So, ...more
Jun 9, 18 7:48 AM appended by highhatsize
... show the Palestinian medic who was shot dead throwing a gas canister as the IDF claimed - - - and that I finally found on Reddit - - - leads you to criticize MY ethics and perspective? ******************* I have no idea what that poop that you tossed in that is allegedly from an (unidentified) MIT study is supposed to be about, but if you want to take a stab at making a rational argument rather than just posting another infantile and ambiguous smear, CITE it and we'll talk about it. ************************* However, since proffering victimhood as a defense ("You're just an anti-Semite") is the Right-Wing Israelophile zealot's typical parting shot when his assertions have been confounded by fact, I would guess that this is "Goodbye". *********************** One last thing, lest we forget, your claim that Hamas, "uses low IQ, physically and mentally impaired people as suicide attackers", is as clearly a LIE now as it was before you began your feckless attempts at rationalization.
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 9, 18 7:48 AM
FBHG

Where do I begin. I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day. Repeating over and over and over again....
Collateral damage....
Personal responsibility
Risk

Why are you so confused as to what happens in a war/ violent protest ?
It's baffling to me !!

You are the one assuming that she was not a member of a terrorist organization in addition to being a nurse.

Right, because YOU haven't seen the evidence...I'm actually laughing at the part ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 9, 18 8:41 AM
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I don't think anyone has seen evidence that she's part of Hamas. Have you?

Israel's use of self-defense is justified in some ways practiced, but unjustified in others; that sentence is not anti-semitic just because you say so.

Why do you give a blanket-pass to Israel?

You agree that the deaths of unarmed civilians are unfortunate, but aren't they also avoidable?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 9, 18 9:38 AM
FBHG

I'm fairly confident that I've answered all of your original ,re worked, reworded and "spun" questions.

You have your opinions and I have mine.



Jun 9, 18 10:11 AM appended by Biba
It’s ok , you don’t have to be confident about my opinions because obviously they differ from yours .....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 9, 18 10:11 AM
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I'm not so confident, but enjoy your weekend nonetheless!
Jun 9, 18 12:06 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
The lack of confidence is around your belief that you answered my questions...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 9, 18 12:06 PM
FBHG that's impossible........
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 10, 18 7:51 PM
How so? I'm not confident you answered the questions in my last post.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 11, 18 8:20 AM
It's interesting that you have changed your tune a bit:
"the Israeli government and its agents (the IDF bulldozer operator in this case) has derogated Gentile rights "
from
“Rachel Corrie, whose death would be a capital crime under the "depraved indifference" doctrine (but for the fact that she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew.)”

Please educate me -- is there something special about the IDF that distinguishes it from the many other armed forces around the ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 9, 18 11:22 AM
Hahah HHS
All lies !!!
You just really hate Jews !!!
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 9, 18 1:31 PM
@ dfree

I don't know why you think that my position has changed. The killing of Rachel Corrie occurred because the IDF bulldozer operator, aping the attitude of the Israeli government, callously devalued her life and disregarded the obvious possibility that he might kill her. He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew. (As the Israeli government wouldn't have sent tanks and bombers against civilians in Gaza, killing 1500 of them, were there a possibility that any of the ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 9, 18 9:42 PM
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Please HHS
The professional victims are the Arabs that call themselves "Palestinians". The Arabs that have been and are STILL , 70 years later, being used as PAWNS by OTHER Arabs.
YOU should take your own advice and try thinking.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 10, 18 7:56 AM
You're right, HighHat, your message is consistent:
"He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew."
" she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew."

You have a lot of insight into the minds and thoughts of Jews you never met. How do you know all this? Could it be that this is information, in your exact words "that I finally found on Reddit". So your source of global political philosophy is Reddit based, which makes sense.

Here's another good HighHat line: ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 10, 18 9:11 AM
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@ dfree

Here you go, dfree, since you don't like Reddit, how about THIS article from "The Independent"*?

The referenced article not only shows the innocuous video of (someone identified as) Razan al-Najjar tossing a smoking object into a field, but illustrates the way that IDF propagandists try to manipulate it (and other video of the slain medic) to mislead the public into believing that she was a member of Hamas and a participant in the assault on the border fence.

Yet ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 10, 18 4:03 PM
HighHat or should I call you Comrade High Hatski?

These are exact quotes from you:
"He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew."
" she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew."

The Indpendent? The UK online website that is owned by former KGB officer and current Russian crime crony of Putin, Alekzander Lebedev? That's your alternate source to Rediit?

The more I read about the newest Islamic Jihadi martyr Razan al-Najjar the more it reinforces the ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 10, 18 7:09 PM
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For anyone interested on more information about the publication The Independent and Bethan McKernan please go on line and take a look at the site : Honest Reporting ..... check out the article ,Dishonest Reporter of the Year Award 2017.

And I thoroughly enjoy your posts dfree.....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 10, 18 7:39 PM
@ dfree

Y-e-e-e-e-s, dfree, that IS what I am saying, that the government of Israel and its creatures subordinate the value of non-Jewish lives to Jewish lives, resulting in their repeated indifferent killing of Gentiles - - - thousands, at times - - - as in the case of their attack on the civilian population of Gaza by tanks and bombers in 2014. As proof of that prejudice, I adduce their mass-killings in Gaza - - - their killing of Britain Tom Hundall - - - their killing of the 34 crewmen ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 10, 18 10:38 PM
Translation.....
ANY time Israel defends itself, be it on the battle field or in print, HHS has a problem.

And to that first paragraph, wow what a doozy !!! .. Full of out of context inaccuracies, personal opinion ( which even you are entitled to) , lies and anti Israel propaganda . In other words , typical HHS.... Bravo.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 11, 18 7:54 AM
Mullah Hate Hat:
Again and again, I refute your Reddit and Russian oligarch inspired rants.
These are your exact words:
"He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew."
" she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew."
“ government of Israel and its creatures subordinate the value of non-Jewish lives to Jewish lives”

Let’s review just some more of your nonsense:
“There is absolutely NO evidence - - - ZERO - - - ZED”.
I ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 11, 18 10:49 AM
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Just one question: how do studies that found failed suicide bombers frequently share traits such as PTSD and depression support your premise that Hamas actively conscripted people with mental and physical disabilities in the latest protests?
Jun 11, 18 11:07 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I don't understand your response PW, what else is new?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 11, 18 11:07 AM
Sounds like a recruitment poster.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 11, 18 11:11 AM
@ dfree

Once again, I suggest that readers peruse your post (Jun 10, 18 7:09 PM) and decide for themselves if you called the deaf Palestinian that an Israeli sniper fatally shot in the head, "a maladjusted social reject".

The remainder of your post is reiterated beliefs and assertions already proven false and/or irrelevant to the topic of criminal Israeli behavior.

Israel killed 62 unarmed Gazans this May. We gave them $38 BILLION dollars the same month. What is ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 12, 18 10:51 AM
Hail Hydra!
By johnj (834), Westhampton on Jun 12, 18 10:58 AM
We spend less than the Israelis do on our defense budget as a percentage of GDP, and yet Israel has high quality health care, free to all its citizens, Arab and Druze and Jew. We have insurance companies that pay senior executives millions while everyone else is tortured by ridiculously expensive healthcare. What is wrong with us, indeed. Maybe we could learn something from their society.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 12, 18 11:54 AM
Please tell me how you justify these exact quotes from your repeated rants -- and
these are your exact words:
"He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew."
" she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew."
“ government of Israel and its creatures subordinate the value of non-Jewish lives to Jewish lives”
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 12, 18 11:56 AM
I learned some time ago to stop wasting my time with these anti-semites.
Go Israel, Go TRUMP, MAGA!!!!
By Taz (437), East Quogue on Jun 12, 18 12:04 PM
@ dfree

Quote:

"Please tell me how you justify these exact quotes from your repeated rants -- and
these are your exact words:
"He wouldn't have behaved so if he thought she were a Jew."
" she was a Gentile killed in Israel by a Jew."
“ government of Israel and its creatures subordinate the value of non-Jewish lives to Jewish lives”
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How often will you ask the same question? How often will I submit ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 12, 18 1:52 PM
HHS
Ooops!! You absent-mindedly omitted some information about the peaceful protestors.
Approximately 50 of the 62 killed were confirmed as Hamas terrorists. The unarmed individuals that aide and abet terrorists are just as liable

What's wrong with us? Absolutely nothing. There is however something very wrong with supporting and defending terrorists or terrorism.

As for your comment to Taz..

Wrong. The Jews ARE the bona fide victims in the equation. I hate to ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 12, 18 10:37 PM
Fact: In Israel, an Israeli Arab woman can aspire to become a nurse or a doctor, and actually become one. In Gaza, Hamas takes young people’s dreams of achieving some realistic professional goal and converts them into hatred and self destruction.
Google: Elinor Joseph, Lucy Aharish, Reem Younis, Rania Elkhatib
All Israeli Arab women who achieved their professional goals.

Fact: Tom Hurndall was not shot by a Jew but an Arab, who spent 6 years in an Israeli prison.

Fact: ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 13, 18 7:36 AM
@ dfree

Quote:

"Fact: Tom Hurndall was not shot by a Jew but an Arab, who spent 6 years in an Israeli prison."
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To be specific, he was shot by Idier Wahid Taysir Hayb, a Bedouin Israeli sergeant in the Israeli Defense Forces.

You do realize, do you not, that the fact that the Israeli killer was an ARAB who was convicted and sentenced to jail for his crime doesn't forward your case that the Israeli government is NOT ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 13, 18 5:18 PM
Biba: I'm not condoning Arab violence at all, far from it but I need to ask you this: if the international community took your ancestral lands and home and gave it to someone else in order to create a nation would you be angry and resentful? Would your kids and grandkids harbor animosity towards that nation? Thanks in advance for your response.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Jun 13, 18 5:39 PM
HHS
Please ....we’ve gone down this road before and quite honestly not only are you insufferable, you’re still wrong ...

Bigfresh..
With all due respect you are incorrect in your understanding of the regions history.


on the subject of the rebirth of Israel?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 13, 18 9:17 PM
The British conquered Palestine, the UN partitioned it into Palestine and Israel, then during a war instigated by competing nationalist movements Israel conquered much of the land formerly known as Palestine.

Is any of this incorrect?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 14, 18 9:14 AM
So what's your point? The British conquered India, and partitioned it into Muslim and Hindu, and a hundred other religions, and the Hindus conquered nost of the land, conquered Cyprus, which is now partiioned into Muslim and Greek Orthodox, and conquered Canada, which is partitioned into French and English, and conquered Ireland which is partitioned into Catholic Irish and Catholic and Protestant Irish, etc. etc. etc.
Is it only Jews that you have a problem with?
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 14, 18 6:44 PM
My point was to ensure Biba, Bf and I shared an understanding of history.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 14, 18 7:25 PM
Your “understanding” of history differs from mine ...
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 15, 18 8:56 AM
Can you please tell me where I erred?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 15, 18 9:30 AM
FBHG
That would take quite a long time.
I am curious however....how did you educate yourself on the subject?
And what did your family tell you about Jews when you were a child ?
Because that’s usually how people “learn” what they think are the facts ...when in reality it’s just passed down anti Semitism.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 16, 18 6:52 AM
I purposely partitioned my comment into short, factual statements, so you CAN'T say I erred.

At most, you can say I'm missing important historical context, which I'm receptive to.

Jewish people and Judaism weren't really part of any discussions at home growing up, in my recollection.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 16, 18 8:42 AM
Biba: I have friends whose family resided for generations in what is now Israel, when the state was created they were removed from their home by force and their land and house occupied by residents of Israel, they were not the only ones who's land was stolen at the point of a gun. Are the ancestors still angry? You bet.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Jun 16, 18 3:24 PM
BF
That's not exactly what happened and as I've stated before this subject is too big for this forum. But I'll try to enlighten you with just a few facts.

Many Arabs fled because they were encouraged to do so by other Arabs, mainly because those other Arabs promised the Arabs living in Palestine that Israel would be destroyed and that they could return.....

Jews did not steal land , land was purchased.
Much of the land purchased was overpriced , with poor soil quality ...more
Jun 17, 18 9:16 AM appended by Biba
And to FBHG....So then tell me ....how did you learn the history of the region ?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 17, 18 9:16 AM
My friend's family did not sell their land, nor did they give it up out of generosity, it was taken by force. These hard working people were displaced and were forced into poverty , fortunately they were able to scrape enough funds together and immigrated to the USA where there was opportunity. It wasn't all harmonious as you depict it.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Jun 17, 18 9:35 AM
Biba, like most things I've learned in life, I read about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 18, 18 6:53 AM
FBHG
Ok so we can agree to disagree at this point.
Jun 18, 18 8:15 AM appended by Biba
Ok good for you ....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 18, 18 8:15 AM
BF
And to you as well.... I will agree, to disagree......
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 18, 18 8:18 AM
I readily and happily disagree with your premise that zero Israelis bear responsibility for the recent deaths along the border, or that each and every Palestinian casualty was justified or prevented Israeli lives from being harmed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 18, 18 8:21 AM
Please ignore last odd sentence .....not sure why I could not erase.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 13, 18 9:23 PM
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By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 14, 18 6:39 PM

HighHat: direct quote:
"You do realize, do you not, that the fact that the Israeli killer was an ARAB who was convicted and sentenced"

Im confused, HighHat. Are you saying that Arabs kill Arabs? Why would they do that? And how is an Arab in the Israeli Defense Force?
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 15, 18 7:55 AM
@ dfree

I am "soft pedaling" nothing. I have stated - - - as clearly as I can - - - that the Israeli government is racist and bigoted and that it holds non-Jewish life to be inferior in value to Jewish life.

It displays its bias most openly in its gratuitous killing of Palestinians (in, for instance, Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank) but also in its less frequent killings of other nationalities (like its killing of 34 American sailors and of our countrywoman, Rachel Corrie) that ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 15, 18 8:55 AM
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By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 15, 18 8:57 AM
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Thanks for that non response HighHat.
Question: How is it racist for an Arab to be a member of the Israeli Defense Force?

And if Arabs defend themselves against other Arabs, is that racism? How does that fit into your philosophy?

Could it be that some Arab organizations, such as Hamas, rulers over the Gaza, are terrorists and therefore those who would defend themselves should take steps to protect their citizens, who may be Arab or Jew? The Bahai faith has its headquarters ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 15, 18 9:28 AM
@ dfree

Quote:

"Question: How is it racist for an Arab to be a member of the Israeli Defense Force?

And if Arabs defend themselves against other Arabs, is that racism?"
--------------------------------------

"It's not", and, "No."
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Quote:

"Could it be that poor Ms. Corrie threw herself under an uparmored bulldozer in a poorly conceived ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 15, 18 3:49 PM
Man .....Biba is spot on when describing you HHS...!
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 15, 18 11:13 PM
Just more and more garbage from the big A.S.
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 16, 18 6:55 AM
@ Sturgis & Biba

Amazing.

Even though I have repeatedly pointed out that you lot inevitably resort to mindless personal aspersion when your attempts to defend Israeli behavior rationally come a cropper, you just can't stop yourselves from illustrating the truth of my observation.

You've done it again.
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 16, 18 8:27 AM
I note that you now use the term Israeli and not Jew after being confronted with the fact that Hurndall was shot by an Arab Israeli Defense Force soldier, but you still haven't responded to the fact that Arab Israeli women have a much better chance at achieving their personal professional goals than those women living under Hamas rulers in Gaza.


By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 16, 18 2:50 PM
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By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 17, 18 9:20 AM
Oh silly HHS .....
Wrong again......
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 17, 18 9:35 AM
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Only democrat presidents put children in cages.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Jun 16, 18 8:54 AM
When people say "the immigration system is broken" this is what they're talking about.

Just like DACA is a bandaid, the previous process of not charging people crossing the border with crimes before deporting them is also a bandaid.

When people are charged criminally, they are removed from their children.

Zero tolerance policies are the culprit, not any single political party or politician.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 16, 18 9:33 AM
@ dfree

Idier Wahid Taysir Hayb was a sergeant in the IDF. He was an agent of the Israeli government acting under its authority. His testimony at trial revealed that he and his fellow soldiers shot unidentified civilians regularly.

Here's the Q.E.D., dfree, the Israeli government - - - his "principal" - - - is wholly culpable for his killing of that compassionate Britain who was only trying to stop him from killing CHILDREN. It matters not whether he was an Arab killing Palestinians ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 16, 18 10:50 PM
You're again exactly wrong. Nuremberg Trials proved the opposite of what you are stating. Following orders is not an excuse.

I don't even think you know what the word suxsrainry means and if it means having a better life and better opportunities for you children, why wouldn't you chose that government over an Islamic terroeist regime. Would you want your child to grow up under Hamas rulers or Israeli rulers?
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 17, 18 12:56 AM
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@ dfree

Seriously, "suxsrainry"?

You are, once again, mistaken, dfree. The Nuremberg Trials denied the "superior orders" defense of agents but reasserted the guilt of principals (and hanged ten of them.)

Whether "things are better in Israel" and whether I would like my child "to grow up under Hamas rulers" is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the Israeli government is racist and bigoted. Are the Arab nations worse? Perhaps, but we haven't financed THEIR villainy ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 17, 18 8:17 AM
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Highhat: "The Nuremberg Trials denied the "superior orders" defense of agents"

The Israeli Defense Force and the judicial process of Israel agree with you.
The Arab that killed the Brit violently protesting the existence of the State of Israel was prosecuted and sentenced to prison. He was proven to by disobeying lawful orders governing use of fire, and was therefore sentenced.

How many Hamas terrorists have been sentenced to jail by Hamas courts for organizing the suicide ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 17, 18 7:46 PM
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Can I please produce a Netflix Series with you guys all sitting at a picnic table in Central Park discuss all of your political theories?

The working title is currently '50 shades of bullsh*t.'
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Jun 18, 18 8:25 AM
I can't decide whether you realize you're also seated at the picnic table.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 18, 18 10:22 AM
@ dfree

Another day, another inept apologia for Israeli crimes, another groundless allegation of anti-Semitism.

Your defense of Israeli wrongdoing becomes more ridiculous the longer this conversation goes on. Now you suggest that the US should carry Israel's water even in our trade relations with other countries. Isn't $300 billion ENOUGH!?

Israel virtually never punishes IDF soldiers who kill Palestinians.* In fact, the sentence that was handed Idier Wahid Taysir ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 18, 18 9:54 AM
Your endless opinions and repetitive Hamas support is the obvious endgame to a failed argument.

You never cite facts to support your ad hominem blather and the facts you do cite support Israel.

An Israeli policeman is convicted for.injuring a.non Israeli? When has the Palestinian Authority or Hamas ever disciplined any of their members? Terrorists who explode themselves sending poison covered nails into the midst of defensless women and children are lionized and their leaders ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 18, 18 1:02 PM
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By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 18, 18 1:02 PM
More rambling by the #1 Islamophile ....
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 18, 18 1:41 PM
@ dfree

The S.O.P. of Israelophile propagandists:

You repeat falsehoods and irrelevancies that have been rebutted and/or dismissed previously, some in the very comment to which your ultimate post in supposed to be a response. What you do NOT do is attempt to adduce NEW facts to support your assertions, said facts being nonexistent. Same old, same old.

I invite readers to reread my last comment and decide for themselves if your claim that I "never cite facts" can be anything ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 18, 18 2:52 PM
Thanks for that invite to review your past comments. I have listed your exact quotes below where you support Hamas, and my factual refutation of each of them. Just to be succinct, and I hate to be the one to explain it to you HighHat, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then you are a supporter of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza (aka Hamas).

HighHat: "Israel killed 62 unarmed Gazans this May."
Fact: Cite a non Hamas source that all “Gazans” ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 19, 18 5:53 AM
Stop it you two.

All Hamas are terrorists
Not all Jews are annoying.

There. It’s over.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Jun 19, 18 6:21 AM
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@ dfree

A true howler.

Throughout, you equate criticism of the Israeli killings of Palestinians with support for Hamas, and list my criticisms as if they are examples of the latter. They aren't - - - except to mesmerized Israelophile apologists like yourself. In fact, I don't support ANY organization that dehumanizes an entire race, be it Muslim or Jewish.

But my favorite part is where you turn the concept of "mens rea" on its head and construe it to mean that "thinking ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 19, 18 8:30 AM
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Just more disgusting lies ......
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 19, 18 10:31 AM
HighHat:. Again and again you rebut facts with attempts at inflammatory rhetoric and again I thank you for illustrating your bias. The mens rea is the vast number of Hamas proclamations, including in their charter no less, that their goal.is murdering Jews, the act is massing their members, with cover from deluded teenagers, the deaf and the disabled, and attempting.to kidnap or kill anyone they can get.

In short, Hamas terrorists would like their religious bigotry to become rule of law, ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 19, 18 10:54 AM
So everybody killed by IDF is a member of Hamas?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 19, 18 11:01 AM
Members or supporters ......
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 19, 18 11:15 AM
Putting aside your apparent desire to prosecute thought-crime, is it AT ALL possible that any single person at these protests is neither a member nor a supporter of Hamas?
Jun 19, 18 11:18 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"Prosecute" is actually the wrong word. We're really talking about extrajudicial execution.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 19, 18 11:18 AM
@ dfree

Your misinterpretation of the "mens rea" doctrine condones EVERY Israeli/IDF murder.

What you have said is that everyone who is (or may be) a member of Hamas, (or "supports" Hamas, as your fanatical colleague, Biba, has indicated) deserves death. That would include Americans, and anyone else in the world, anywhere, even if they have never moved from theIr comfy chair to effect their THOUGHT.

How remarkably like the Third Reich.
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 20, 18 4:37 AM
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By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 20, 18 9:22 AM
Don't worry, HighHat, even if you hate Jews but are getting tired of defending Hamas you can still find pretty of supportive friends, notably Richard Spencer and your Vanguard America buddies. They probably don't support Hamas either, although they are, like you, supportive of the end result of attacking Israel.

Misinterpretation of mens rea? Be specific, if someone plans an evil act, states out loud over and over that they are going to commit that act, then starts to pursue that evil ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 20, 18 9:22 AM
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Extrajudicial execution for thought crime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 20, 18 9:35 AM
FBHG correction.....

No one was " extrajudicially executed "....
Hamas and their supporters were attempting to breach a border to be able to enter Israel to kill Jews.



By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 20, 18 12:15 PM
All of them, Biba?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 20, 18 1:59 PM
FBHG
Probably....not many individuals in Gaza are fond of Israel /Jews even AFTER Gaza was returned for peace. But since anything is possible lets put the blame where it should be, on Hamas.

What would make you happy FBHG, the IDF conducting "interviews" when someone busts through a security fence with an axe? Because undoubtedly only the individual with the axe is guilty or suspect right ? The unarmed individuals following behind the axe wielding individual couldn't possibly be concealing ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 20, 18 3:23 PM
I'm happy to put the blame on Hamas, but it is not only Hamas that is suffering.

Is it true that "all of the individuals were armed"? Can you substantiate that?

Are you undermining your own argument by calling the deaths of unarmed protesters "collateral damage"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 20, 18 3:49 PM
@ dfree

Noted is the fact that you have played the anti-Semite victimhood card at the very beginning of your ultimate post rather than leaving it to the end as is your custom, a sure sign that the remainder of your comment will be substance free.

You do not disappoint.

Your attempt to rationalize the "mens rea" doctrine to legitimize Israeli murders apes your similar attempt to finesse that earlier falsehood in which you misrepresented opinions and quotes about the ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 20, 18 3:51 PM
To wit, and I use the word carelessly with you sir, the incitement to riot is self evident in the current Hamas call to arms and its goal is to expand the Hamas religious bigotry beyond their members and their borders. Just because you are injudicious in your use of the term “mens rea” does not render the term meaningless. And it is now far beyond mere evil thought, but is a heinous plan put into action by the Hamas leadership.

Under New York State law, “a person is ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 21, 18 8:46 AM
FBHG....

Hamas suffering ...? Am I supposed to be concerned about a group of savage anti Israel terrorist killers and their well being ?

What can YOU substantiate ?

How am I undermining anything ? You're insisting the IDF purposely aims at unarmed innocents. I'm explaining what happens during a war/ violent protest ....You are saying they're unarmed....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 21, 18 10:59 AM
I'm talking about the non-Hamas members who are maimed or killed.

It's a fact that unarmed people have been shot, so it's false that "all of the individuals were armed."

Whether you think it is justified does nothing to change that.

By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 21, 18 11:18 AM
FBHG

How is it a fact ?
Jun 21, 18 12:36 PM appended by Biba
How do you know ?
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 21, 18 12:36 PM
The nurse who was killed by a sniper's bullet, regardless of whether she was the target, was attending to a wounded person and armed only with medical supplies: fact.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 21, 18 1:40 PM
She was a "volunteer medic" not a nurse and was tending to "volunteer terrorists". And before you begin expectorating in exasperation at your keyboard consider this: had she only embraced the State of Israel and its rule of law instead of the hate filled dogma of Hamas she might have had this career similar to Dr. Rania Elkhatib, an Arab woman trained in Israel to be an Attending Plastic Surgeon in the Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery Department at Rambam Health Care Campus.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 21, 18 4:46 PM
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That would've been a preferable outcome, too bad she was born on the wrong side of a siege.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 21, 18 4:59 PM
What siege...?
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 21, 18 6:12 PM
Siege, blockade, apartheid, whatever you call it, it's absolute, unnegotiated, military control of one country's border by another.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 22, 18 8:06 AM
Translation: Blame Israel for Hamas' actions. Apartheid does not exist in Israel just because you think it does. Israel returned Gaza for peace.
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 22, 18 8:21 AM
And whether you think the blockade/siege/apartheid is justified, its existence is FACT.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 22, 18 8:34 AM
I hate to break it to you FBHG but certain precautions are 100% justified. Relax ,I'm not disputing tangible obvious things nor am I disagreeing with them. You can stop saying Apartheid though because that's NOT a fact , that's a lie. Tell me please .....how should Israel deal with a bunch of terrorists knocking at the backdoor ? And AFTER the Gaza was returned for peace.....Tell me , why should Israel have an open border with an entity that want's to destroy it ? I want your brilliant solution ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 22, 18 8:58 AM
You're telling me that it is a FACT that the nurse was not carrying a knife or perhaps had an explosive device under her clothing...Ok........
Jun 22, 18 9:08 AM appended by Biba
So you’re telling me you’re not familiar with the definition of the word concealed No worries the IDF is ..... You can’t hide your anti Semitic and anti Israel feelings
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 22, 18 9:08 AM
You're presuming everyone is a terrorist.

Israel should defend itself by using their military supremacy only with the utmost restraint.

For example, not firing live ammunition at people unless they are an imminent threat.
Jun 22, 18 9:08 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Biba: we know she approached with her hands up, wearing a clearly marked medical vest, and was hit in the torso by a bullet while attending to an injured person. That means unarmed to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 22, 18 9:08 AM
Biba: Are you saying she was carrying concealed weapons? Can you point me to any evidence of that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 22, 18 11:06 AM
FBHG................Can you point me to any evidence that she was not concealing a weapon ? And no her "hands up" doesn't count.....try to do better than that.
Jun 22, 18 1:51 PM appended by Biba
.....her friends and family vouching for her doesn't count either......
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 22, 18 1:51 PM
Also the fact that nobody, including the IDF, is saying she was armed. Nobody is alleging she was, why are you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 22, 18 1:59 PM
Hitler in fact survived the Bunker and he is still living in Omaha Nebraska today & working in a hardware store, as per CNN & MSNBC.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Jun 22, 18 4:19 PM
If you don't want to take a chance of getting hit by a stray bullet in the middle of a riot organized by killers, then don't go to the riot. There are 2 million people living in the Gaza Strip, the Hamas leadership and their mullahs have been exhorting them for months to go breach the border -- 10,000 or less have been showing up. Here's my advice to those 10,000: don't go and stop supporting Hamas. Only don't do that openly because then you won't need to go to the border to get shot at, Hamas ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 22, 18 5:03 PM
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FBHG

Fact...? That's interesting because the IDF stated that she was also caught hurling smoke bombs over the fence. She was not only tending to injured terrorists , helping them so that they could continue to terrorize, she was aiding and abetting them. The IDF also stated that they did not purposely aim to shoot her while she was tending to the terrorists.

I'm not alleging anything, I'm merely suggesting that it's ALWAYS a possibility. I'm confused however as to how you can ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 23, 18 8:47 AM
I can't tell if you're repeating something incorrect, or you actually watched the video referenced by IDK and are purposely lying. Regardless, your characterization of the IDF's statement is false.

There's a woman on video throwing an already-activated gas canister a dozen feet away. There is no IDF presence in the video. There is no "hurling smoke bombs over the fence." That is false.

Your characterization of my words is also false, but presuming you read and understand what I ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 23, 18 9:04 AM
FBHG...

I'm not lying about anything....


By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 23, 18 10:09 AM
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At the very least you're lying about what I'm saying: I've repeated ad nauseum that Israel has the right to defend itself from imminent harm, but my view is that all of the violence carried out has not been necessary to achieve those ends.

I also think you're lying about the video, or at a minimum you didn't bother watching it: she was not throwing anything over any fence.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 23, 18 9:56 PM
FBHG....

At the very least ...??? Grasping at straws I see !! Hahahah

I know EXACTLY what you're repeating (ad nauseam indeed) and it's just the same, slightly reworked condemnation and vilification of Israel. Don't try to spin it. It is what it is. Own it !!!

What YOU may consider imminent differs from the IDF's definition and I'm willing to bet they have a much better perspective.

There are many videos....One shows your hero the "nurse/ medic" hurling a ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 24, 18 10:04 AM
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I see you're backing away from your "over the fence allegation", but spin as you will, there's no reasonable justification for the asymmetrical warfare being waged.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 24, 18 10:44 AM
FBHG.....

What ? Now I'm confused...please explain how I "backed away"...
I'm not the spin master buddy...that's all you......


Asymmetrical ? So what should Israel do about the never ending terrorism ? Wait I've got it...Maybe the IDF should send over a kite with a note politely asking Hamas to stop calling for the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews ?


By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 25, 18 8:37 AM
That's easy: You said "IDF stated that she was also caught hurling smoke bombs over the fence."

IDF stated no such thing.

They said there's a video of her throwing smoke bombs in the direction of IDF. The video itself does not show either bombs being hurled over a fence, nor does it show that it's thrown in the direction of the IDF.

You're backing away now from the allegation that she was "hurling smoke bombs over the fence" because either you heard it and repeated it ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 25, 18 8:45 AM
@ dfree

No matter how you try to finesse "mens rea", you are never going to transform it into your depraved idea of Palestinian blood guilt.
Mens rea is a defined legal concept that applies exclusively to INDIVIDUALS. You first ascribe it to an organization and then claim that everyone who is a member of that organization (or whom you THINK is a member - - - or whom you think SUPPORTS that organization [Admittedly, this is Biba's lunacy but I assume that you agree with him] deserves ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 21, 18 11:57 PM
I just made a reservation at Union Cantina under the name Bill DeWall.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Jun 22, 18 8:50 AM
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HighHat:
You make less and less sense with every one of your posts. Perhaps it reads well on Reddit, but in the real world if someone goes to a riot organized by an organization which states as its purpose the killing of Jews, then that person indeed is not only thinking about aiding and abetting, but actually is also a participant in an act that is illegal in all 50 of our states.

Fact: The State of Gaza is at war with the State of Israel.
Fact: Gaza is run by the internationally ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 22, 18 4:56 PM
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@ dfree

Racist, bigoted twaddle.

You cannot make a cogent argument to legitimize the Israeli murders of Palestinians so you tar that entire ethnic group with the label "terrorist" thinking that THAT will make your case when REASON fails. It doesn't, No more so than does your defaming of any critic of the Israeli government generally as "anti-Semitic" make your case to legitimize Israel's despotic overlordship of the FOUR MILLION Palestinians whom it holds in servitude, neither ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 23, 18 4:19 AM
You rant is wrong on almost every word except for this phrase which perhaps inadvertently slipped onto your spittle covered keyboard:. "compliant Arabs may be afforded the opportunity to materially improve their lives"
This statement disproves your entire argument. Under apartheid, no black man or woman was able to become anything other than a servant whereas in Israel an Arab woman can become a highly confident surgeon who has Jewish surgical nurses obeying her orders. Under the relgious ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 23, 18 12:50 PM
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@ dfree

"Rant"? "Spittle covered keyboard"?

Once again, I urge readers to reread this thread and to judge for themselves whether my behavior in any way fits those descriptives - - - or whether this is but your latest use of the standard Israelophile apologist's tactic of leveling personal aspersions against a critic of Israeli murders when your rationalizations of those crimes are shown to be meritless. You've already beaten the anti-
Semitism smear to death. This is the ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 24, 18 9:46 AM
HHS



They fit 1000%


You bash Israel and Jews, accuse Jews of purposely killing gentiles and you give terrorists a free pass and approval. You ignore facts and most of your posts about Israel are completely out of context. You condemn Israel for practicing self defense against a group of people that started this terrorism in 1948

You reference Nazis and compare the "refugee" problem that was created by Arabs, to the Holocaust.

You incorrectly call ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 24, 18 10:45 AM
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HighHat:
The moral equivalency you propose concerning suicide bombers attacking civilians and an Israeli Defense Force protecting their country from them is obviously false. You yourself recognized the discrepancy, yet you don't have the personal courage to admit it.
Shame on you.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 24, 18 1:45 PM
@ Biba:

In contrast to Israelophile apologists, I have authenticated my assertions with references to FACT or to authoritative opinion, whereas you and your propagandist colleagues, Biba, just reissue your discredited bigoted beliefs over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over, no matter how often their falsity is proven. An example is the lie to which you alluded, that the Israelis were peace-loving innocents in '48 who were attacked by the murderous Arabs, a perspective that ignores the ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 25, 18 2:14 AM
Question: If someone breaks into your house, after messaging and voicing the intent to kill you, and you defend yourself using deadly force, perhaps wounding but maybe killing the intruder, is that murder?
Most of what you term "facts" are nonsense by the way. It's just to banal to refute them one by one, although I have done so multiple times in this thread.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 25, 18 11:05 AM
To answer your legal question: Yes, it is a murder. Self-defense is an absolute defense to criminal liability for murder, but it's still murder.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 25, 18 11:32 AM
@ dfree

Your reply to my disclosure of the terrorist Israeli Irgun's ethnic cleansing illustrates what you lot (you, Biba et al.) consider "refutation". You either completely ignore the facts that you find unpalatable or pose an irrelevancy in "rebuttal". With Deir Yassin, you chose the former. Earlier in this thread you chose the latter by attempting to "prove" your fraudulent claim that Hamas "use[s] low IQ, physically and mentally impaired people as suicide attackers" by reference ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 25, 18 5:13 PM
If you want the Israeli Defense Force to stop using violent methods to defend Israel from Hamas, then I suggest Hamas consider the consequences of firing missiles. Just as you like to provoke with inflammatory language, its serves the purposes of Hamas to provoke a violent response -- it makes their job of controlling a large, young and disaffected population much easier when they can blame some other group for their own problems. Gaza will never become Singapore so long as Hamas and its ideology ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 26, 18 8:27 AM
HHS

Just as I said....inaccurate and out of context nonsense.

And apparently you're bad at math...because 1950 is not 2500 years ago.



By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 25, 18 7:53 AM
So what you're saying is Israel is sticking to the UN partition plan? That's patently false.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 25, 18 8:46 AM
There have been multiple iterations of a partition border, and going back to 1948 is not an option for Arabs who left their homes thinking the Arab League would swiftly dispatch the poorly equipped Israeli defenders that they thought would be overcome, not for East German communists who yearn for their Soviet to return, not for Pakistanis who want the Bangladeshis to return to their rule, not for Biafrans who seceded from Nigeria and then were starved until surrender.
You need to think about ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 25, 18 11:12 AM
So to summarize: No, Israel is not sticking to the 1948 UN partition plan.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 25, 18 11:32 AM
I believe that Israel would return to the 1948 borders when Hamas declares that they will become a non-violent governing coalition of all relgions where men, women and all ethnicities are treated equally under the law. A dedication to transparent and honest economic principles with scrupulous adherence to the rule of law where all have a shot at achieving their personal goals would also hasten that day.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 26, 18 8:31 AM
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The Palestinian government indeed shares some responsibility for the future prosperity of Palestine, as well as its current isolation.

That doesn't justify all acts by IDF, nor does the settlement of disputed lands support your idealistic belief.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 8:50 AM
So what is your solution, FB? Constructive criticism, not just finger-pointing!
By Taz (437), East Quogue on Jun 26, 18 9:26 AM
As said before, Israel should defend itself by using their military supremacy only with the utmost restraint.

I don't have a solution to the greater problems like land disputes, but that's how I'd prevent needless deaths.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 10:45 AM
Translation.....wait until the terrorists are actually INSIDE Israel and only with weapons in their hands, also never assume any terrorist or "civilian" is concealing a weapon because what are the odds..............fantastic strategy FBHG....
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 12:45 PM
Your translation is off, I was thinking more along the lines of "don't fire live ammunition at unarmed people who are hundreds of yards away from the fence."

Do you really think a mere assumption that someone is armed should justify their extrajudicial execution? Then I hope nobody ever presumes the same about you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 12:51 PM
On the contrary....my translation is 100% spot on.

There is no proof that these people are unarmed. You're still confused about what it means to conceal weapons or explosives.

Also, it's good to avoid letting terrorists that intend to kill Jews breach a SECURITY FENCE. Key word ...security. There is a reason the SECURITY FENCE exists. The terrorists were repeatedly warned to not approach the fence.

The past predicts the future. If you expect the IDF to assume the violent ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 26, 18 3:24 PM
For clarity, your answer is: "yes, a mere assumption that someone is armed should justify their extrajudicial execution."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 3:32 PM
FBHG ,here is some clarity ....because apparently you're still very confused.
You insist it's extrajudicial execution. Not only are you wildly incorrect you're perpetuating anti Israel sentiment. Classic anti Semitism.
Most rational intelligent people know when someone follows a group of terrorists and acts in concert, death may occur.
An individual runs the risk of death when he or she ignores warnings and enters a war zone.
This is about personal responsibility and risk.
And ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 27, 18 10:41 AM
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FBHG

There is a difference between lying and making a mistake. You didn't catch anything. Clearly I made a very MINOR mistake. I was not intentionally lying .There is however not a huge difference between over and towards at this point because your heroines intention was obvious. Also, more than one video exists, so relax. Your "Florence Nightingale" was a terrorist just like all of the terrorists she was aiding and abetting. She ,with all the others want to kill Jews.

Therefore ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 26, 18 12:18 PM
As said before "you're lying about the video, or at a minimum you didn't bother watching it."

There is no IDF in the video for the smoke bomb to be hurled "towards."

As to your last point, how does one conquer land in a defensive war?

That would be the opposite of a defensive war to me, but that we think differently is not news.

The part where you're definitely lying is when you say my position is that Israel should not defend itself at all.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 26, 18 12:33 PM
The Arab League ordered many Arab villagers to move out of the way so that they could attack Israeli kibbutzes and sweep up Jews living side by side with Arabs is many areas. When Arab League attacks failed and the rag-tag, poorly equipped Israeli armey moved to counter these attacks, a temporary cease fire established new lines of control, however the famous three "no's" of unified Arab countries did not permit negotiated return to the status quo ante bellum. Later Egypt and Jordan signed peace ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 27, 18 7:58 AM
@ dfree

With the Irgun roaming the country killing Arabs at will in the run up to Israeli independence, many Muslim residents chose to flee, assured by Arab authorities that their exile would be brief. They were wrong. While both sides were approximately equal in manpower*, the Israelis deployed their "rag-tag" forces (including ten Messerschmitt Bf-109s and three B-17 Flying Fortresses) to better effect.

Thereafter, Israel appropriate the land that it had occupied, declaring, ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 27, 18 10:40 PM
"In addition to his books on military history, van Creveld has written several books on other issues. The most important of these is The Privileged Sex – which argues that the idea women are the oppressed gender is largely a myth, and that women, and not men, are the privileged gender"
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 28, 18 7:54 AM
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that the hospital in Saida was put out of service after unidentified aircraft bombed the town after midnight.
I wonder how many nurses died in these attacks?

Warplanes identified as Russian then hit the hospital in Musayfira, damaging it and forcing it to close, the UK-based monitoring group said. Later, the hospital in Jizah was damaged by Russian air strikes nearby, it added.

Ahmed al-Dbis of the medical charity Union of Medical ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 27, 18 8:15 PM
FBHG

No I'm not lying. You're aware many videos exist correct?
Google this : recognition of acquiring disputed land in a defensive war

Clearly you don't know the definition of the word opinion. I'm not lying about anything.....but perhaps you are .....
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 28, 18 11:22 AM
So what video portrays a smoke bomb being hurled at IDF?

Answer: none.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 1:27 PM
You're wrong about that ....
Jun 28, 18 1:51 PM appended by Biba
I think you're capable of doing your own research
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 28, 18 1:51 PM
So tell me, what do I search? I think it's you who's wrong.
Jun 28, 18 2:01 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Even the most pro-Israel sites make mention of just two videos, neither of which shows what you claim, liar.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 28, 18 2:01 PM
@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown

The sun will have long since died and you will STILL be waiting for Biba to supply you with that information, Fore1gnBornHBgrown, since the "many videos" showing Razan al-Najjar throwing a smoke bomb at IDF soldiers exist ONLY in his fanatical, febrile imagination.

Recall that this is the same individual who cited an article in the National Report to prove his assertion that Sharia law had been implemented in Dearborn, MI. (If you are not familiar with it, ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 28, 18 5:02 PM
States the man who cites Russian controlled news oulets and misogynistic fringe historians for his citations.

Pot calling the kettle black.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 28, 18 9:41 PM
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@ dfree

Well, dfree, I posted crystal clear references to the sources of the data to which you refer so that readers can easily access them and decide for themselves whether there is any merit you your complaint.

YOU on the other hand, post information entirely without accreditation or with citations so vague that it takes a while to ferret out the source. However, when that task it finally accomplished, your references prove without exception to be completely unsupportive of ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 29, 18 7:35 PM
Correction....

HHS you lie repeatedly and each time that you are caught in a lie you simply replace it with a new lie, the reason being that there is, in TRUTH, no way to justify the callous murders of Jewish civilians by Hamas (and non Hamas members as well),just because they are Jewish and it's the goal of Hamas and Hamas supporters to destroy Israel and kill all Jews.

Jewish children killed while sleeping in their beds for GOD's sake !!!!!! Or perhaps just waiting for a bus, ...more
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 30, 18 10:54 AM
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1) I draw a connection between Islamic extremists in Afghanistan who are more than happy to borrow or lend money, arms and tactics with Islamic extremists in Gaza. I drew the same connection between IRA tactics that targeted civilians in Portadown. The international conncections between terrorist groups are well documented, and your attack is without merit.
2) I did not. You ignore my countless rebuttals on this point -- the mens rea of someone who participates in a riot is obvious, it ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 30, 18 11:20 AM
@ dfree

Every time that you lie, or continue a lie, or try to rationalize your lie, I will call you on it:

1) You deliberately MISLED readers to believe that opinions and comments made about the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2007 were made about Hamas in Gaza in 2018. Your casuistic claim that you were "drawing a connection" rather than stating a falsehood is belied by the post in which you made the lie (which is available for all readers to see [supra], Jun 3, 18 7:51 AM)
...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 30, 18 12:27 PM
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HHS
Yes I made an honest mistake....however the subject of the article was not that far fetched , just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Also ,I never stated that there were many videos of one particular nurse.

Islamophile anti Semites do not know the definition of honesty or intelligence ..giving a pass to terrorists....what a shame.

And to you FBHG there most certainly are numerous videos of the riots in Gaza so stop calling me a liar, it's not only incorrect , it's ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 29, 18 4:12 PM
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Just state clearly for us that you did not see a video of the nurse in question throwing a smoke bomb at IDF and I'll stop calling you a liar.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 5:08 PM
State clearly that the riots at the border fence were initiated, directed and encouraged by the internationally recognized terrorist organization Hamas which states clearly in its charter that its aim is to murder Jews and I will do it for him.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 29, 18 6:13 PM
My understanding is that they were initiated by activists not associated with the terrorist group, but I could be convinced otherwise by evidence.

Nevertheless, Hamas, whose charter advocates indiscriminate violence against jews, is a supporter of the protests.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 29, 18 6:28 PM
Hamas does not permit"activists".
There's no First Amendment under the Hamas theocracy.
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jun 29, 18 9:36 PM
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Hahahah oh boy..........
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jun 30, 18 10:39 AM
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FBHG

I already did. She ( or someone dressed as a nurse / medic) was tossing a gas or smoke grenade in the general direction of the IDF/ border fence which debunks your innocent unarmed civilian casualty theory. Because that's really the crux of the issue. The nurse / medic was not an innocent civilian. She demonstrated the willingness to join the terrorists which makes her just as much a terrorist. The fact that you continue to vilify and condemn Israel for practicing self defense ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 30, 18 9:58 AM
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Be clear: you didn't see the nurse killed tossing anything at IDF. Liar.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 11:50 AM
FBHG

Good grief ..... I couldn't be any more clear...you just want to call me a liar. I made an honest mistake. There's a difference.

This is an easy diversion from the fact that your "unarmed civilian nurse" was participating in the riot !!! Whether she tossed the smoke grenade toward the IDF ( that was a claim made by the IDF and apparently a video of that exists ) or near the fence or even no where near the fence but in the general direction of the fence, debunks your belief ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jun 30, 18 2:56 PM
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I just want you to admit that YOU did not see a video of such a thing happening.

The IDF's allegation that the video shows her throwing a gas canister at IDF is also unsubstantiated, the video has no IDF in view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jun 30, 18 3:28 PM
@ Biba

Here you go, Biba. Here's a video that shows the clumsy propaganda that the IDF tried to foist on the world to justify their killing of a young, innocent Palestinian woman engaged in no more subversive activity than trying to save lives:

"Israeli Military Pushes Misleading Video in Attempt to Smear Slain Palestinian Medic Razan al-Najjar" (Democracy Now!, June 8, 2018)

If the US Army attempted such a transparent deception HERE, heads would roll - - - but in ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jun 30, 18 4:00 PM
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I do believe religion has promoted insufferable violence, even though not the intention (I hope). Whether god exists or not, humans have an exhausting ability to annihalate fellow people that believe in things different than their culture or religion. And that’s just religion - let’s not get into the location of natural resources - a whole other reason to hate those who have more. Pass the peace pipe - we could learn from our native Americans.
By Lobster (1), Hampton Bays on Jun 30, 18 4:16 PM
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HighHat everything you post reveals your superficial grasp of logic and legal terms and your flimsy pseudo intellectual arguments. Mens rea and actus rea, really? Is it only the men pulling the rope in the lynch mob that are guilty or all the participants? And if you protect an innocent man from being lynched by warning, then shooting into a Lynch mob what is the guilt?

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Participants in riots organized by Hamas is a good way to get yourself shot. ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jul 1, 18 7:38 AM
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@ dfree

Stunning.

Your ultimate post is as remarkable for its determined ignorance as your earlier ones were for their chronic mendacity. You have once again misconstrued the elements of a crime (and ignored the additional consideration of "gravity") to justify the IDF killing of civilians, the murder of poor, harmless Razan al-Najjar being but the most outrageous example of the depravity that you condone.

Were you to propose such casuistry as a defense at law, laughter ...more
By highhatsize (3603), East Quogue on Jul 1, 18 12:29 PM
HHS
It is merely your opinion that it's propaganda. And quoting Democracy Now ??!! That's hilarious. One of the most anti Israel, anti American nothing to do with democracy sites in existence !! And you have the nerve to disparage what I cite....

The best yet..
It is your opinion that a woman, allying herself with terrorists, practicing tossing smoke grenades and expressing the desire to be a human shield is akin to the opening credits of Little house on the Prairie. Interesting.....


And ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jul 1, 18 8:40 AM
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But you didn't see THIS nurse throw a smoke grenade at IDF or over any wall, which is what IDF reported to justify her killing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 1, 18 10:27 AM
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Biba......

You're trying to reason with people that give a full pass to Hamas and people that support Hamas. Don't waste your time....

Dfree.....dayum you're good !!!
By Sturgis (402), Southampton on Jul 1, 18 10:05 AM
In what way does Hamas get a free pass?

Am I calling any of their deaths unjustified?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 1, 18 10:23 AM
"On a dusty patch of land near the fence with Israel, a stage has been set up for Hamas's leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar. A crowd of a few hundred supporters has been brought here to hear him.

As the sun sets to mark the end of the daily Ramadan fast, Sinwar delivers a fiery speech.

"History will talk about you and your sacrifices, that you stood up to Trump," he says.

"All the Arab countries and their armies couldn't do anything while Trump moved his embassy, but you stood ...more
By dfree (532), hampton bays on Jul 1, 18 11:42 AM
No FBHG
The IDF did not try to "justify" her killing. They stated that she was not intentionally targeted . They also stated that she was " no angel of mercy". Why? Because of the video of her willingly joining terrorists and practicing tossing grenades. The photos of Razan Al-Najjar and the video of her tossing a smoke grenade and stating she is willing to "act as a human shield" look extremely similar. But that's just my opinion. I believe the IDF, you do not. The end .....


The ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jul 2, 18 11:15 AM
If it wasn't to justify the fact that she was killed, why did IDF publicize the videos?

It was clearly to absolve themselves of moral responsibility, but I suppose it's a positive that they felt the need.

I'm not disputing the assertion that it was her in the videos. I'm disputing that any video showed her throwing an already-activated gas grenade "in the direction of" IDF as alleged.

Did you watch the video yet? Maybe you can make up your own mind rather than take IDF's ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 2, 18 11:34 AM
FBHG

Possibly to illustrate what I've been trying to explain to you. They investigated and now it's done. But Islamophiles and supporters of Hamas will drag this out in an effort to insinuate the IDF is massacring peaceful individuals that are "just civilians" cavorting about in a field. Nothing new, Israel is constantly condemned, vilified and told to use restraint. I highly doubt she was tossing the grenades in the direction of her brethren.
Keep disputing.

Take your ...more
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jul 2, 18 12:38 PM
I criticize everything the IDF does? That's a lie.

Did you watch the video yet? Or just choose to believe IDF's commentary of it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3308), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 2, 18 1:37 PM
FBHG

It's my opinion that you do. How many times can I tell you, I've seen the video...
By Biba (425), East Hampton on Jul 3, 18 8:30 AM