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Aug 24, 2017 2:46 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: PDD Would Have Less Nitrogen Impact, According To Gobler's Latest Environmental Report On 'The Hills'

Dr. Chris Gobler presented his assessment of the Final Environmental Impact Statement for The Hills on Monday morning.  DANA SHAW
Aug 28, 2017 12:48 PM

UPDATE: Monday, 12:20 p.m.

The proposed PDD development would add less nitrogen to the groundwater than the as of right alternative, according to Dr. Gobler’s 12-page report that analyzes the FEIS.

Dr. Gobler presented his findings on Monday morning in front of about 40 people inside a classroom on the second floor of the Stony Brook Southampton Marine Science Center on Little Neck Road in Shinnecock Hills, where he is employed as a professor. His slide show indicated that the five new additions to the FEIS that were not in the draft—an on-site wastewater treatment system, the addition of a sewage treatment plant that would service East Quogue Elementary School, the proposed purchase of 33 acres elsewhere in the hamlet for preservation, and the purchase of pine barren credits—do, in fact, reduce the nitrogen impact of the PDD.

Dr. Gobler’s12-page report also looked at a community septic system rebate program, which was included in the draft but was left out of the professor’s first analysis.

“Calculations demonstrated that the Hills PDD as described within the FEIS yielded a lower nitrogen loading rate compared to a higher and lower and lower impact, as of right development on the property,” Dr. Gobler said in his report.

During a question and answer portion of the presentation, Mark Hissey, vice president of Discovery Land Company, the developer behind the project, pointed out that if the PDD is built, it would likely reduce even more nitrogen than Dr. Gobler projects. The report doesn’t include some aspects of the project, including the developer putting shellfish in the bay and a fertigation technique—the injection of fertilizers and other water-soluble products into an irrigation system—to decrease nitrogen on the golf course. Dr. Gobler said the amount of nitrogen that shellfish can filter is difficult to calculate on paper and the latter is still an experimental idea, which is why he excluded both from his findings.

Dr. Gobler agreed that both the shellfish and the fertigation would likely reduce some of the nitrogen.

The audience was filled with local civic leaders, critics of the project, and supporters who all asked questions about the potential environment and applauded Dr. Gobler for his research.


Dr. Chris Gobler’s long-awaited assessment of the Final Environmental Impact Statement for a proposed luxury golf resort—an opinion that Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman has said would heavily influence his vote on the controversial application—will be released on Monday morning.

Additionally, Mr. Schneiderman shared earlier this week and following Tuesday’s Town Board meeting in Hampton Bays that was attended by between 150 and 200 supporters of the project, dubbed The Hills at Southampton, that his board would likely vote on The Hills at Southampton application by the end of September, well before the November elections.

Dr. Gobler, a professor at Stony Brook Southampton and one of the region’s most well-respected marine scientists, said on Thursday that he will share his report on the environmental document, filed earlier this summer by the developer, Discovery Land Company of Arizona, at a 9:30 a.m. press conference that will be held at the Stony Brook Southampton Marine Science Center on Little Neck Road in Shinnecock Hills.

After sharing his report, Dr. Gobler, who lives in East Quogue, the same community that the luxury golf resort would be constructed in, will take questions from the audience. Attendees are asked to park at the south end of the large parking lot located at 239 Montauk Highway.

Dr. Gobler, who agreed to review both the final and draft versions of the report pro bono for the town, declined to divulge on Thursday whether proposed development, which calls for the construction of 117 residential units and an 18-hole private golf course centered on 168 acres, would have less of an impact on the environment as opposed to the as-of-right alternative, a standard subdivision with 118 single-family homes.

“You’ll have to stay tuned,” Dr. Gobler said. “I’ll show you on Monday.”

He noted that his presentation will explain on how he reached his conclusions when comparing the projected nitrogen impact of both proposals, as well as a third option that he described as a second as-of-right scenario that he says he created on his own. Dr. Gobler declined to elaborate on his version, only offering that he made some modifications to make the alternative more “realistic.”

The scientist also explained that his report will focus on a handful of changes in the FEIS that were not part of the draft. Some of those changes include the addition of a sewage treatment plant, the proposed purchase of 33 acres elsewhere in the hamlet for preservation, a community septic system rebate program and the purchase of pine barren credits.

He added that he intends to file his report with Town Hall immediately following Monday’s press conference.

“My rationale isn’t to be sneaky at all,” Dr. Gobler said on Thursday. “I just want to be able to answer questions to everyone at once.

“Rather than other people interpreting it for me,” he continued, “I want to be the one who interprets it for everyone. And specifically answer questions from people both for and against the project.”

Discovery Land is seeking Town Board approval of special zoning, called a planned development district, that requires the support of four of the five Town Board members, also known as a super-majority. The Town Board outlawed the special zoning earlier this year, citing the numerous problems it has generated, including the fact that it often gave developers too much leeway in dictating the benefits of their proposals.

Dr. Gobler’s assessment has the potential to make or break the project as its potential impact on the environment—and, specifically, already threatened Weesuck Creek and Shinnecock Bay—has been the topic of heated debate over the past few years. In fact, the project’s potential nitrogen impact is being closely monitored by Mr. Schneiderman, who previously stated that he has his own set of criteria that the project must surpass to earn his support.

Mr. Schneiderman could not be immediately reached for comment on Thursday.

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The Press keeps mentioning that Dr. Gobler lives in East Quogue. I was curious as to where Dr. Gobler lives in East Quogue and how much this project would impact his day to day life. A little research (Google) reveals that Dr. Gobler actually lives just a stone's throw from the proposed entrance to 'The Hills'.
I wish I could tell the Town Board what should be built in my front yard.
By YesJustBecause (2), East Quogue on Aug 24, 17 8:24 PM
This was a problem early on as it appeared that Dr. Gobler did not really disclose that he lived so close to the project whenever he criticized it. After the Town decided to use him as a "consultant" (I believe it's unpaid), it was disclosed that he does live very near the proposed project. While the science is sound, it doesn't help that he lives in such close proximity - particularly since he has very rarely commented professionally on other major projects in the Town with the potential to impact ...more
By Nature (2964), Southampton on Aug 24, 17 8:37 PM
Interesting thought, Yes. What do you have to say about the busloads of carpetbaggers who appear in favor of a project that will have little to no impact on them other than to provide them with work in the various construction fields for several months? Perhaps the Town Board should mull that over as well.
By zappy (46), east quogue on Aug 25, 17 6:38 AM
They should mull that over. I don't have a problem with Dr. Gobler giving his opinion on the project. That's his right. I have a problem when he fails to disclose (I never heard it before Nature's comment) that he lives across the street from the proposed development and starts creating his own "as of right" option to present to the Board at a press conference. He was asked to give his scientific opinion on the FEIS as submitted, not create a building plan for his front yard.
By YesJustBecause (2), East Quogue on Aug 25, 17 8:47 AM
Hopefully they will mull over your outright lies to support your viewpoint. Your busloads of carpetbaggers is exactly that. They will realize that you and your ilk will stop at nothing to deceive and bully the public to achieve your factually corrupt ends.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Sep 2, 17 1:16 AM
Keep in mind that Dr. Gobler is only reviewing the development's impact on nitrogen. As Supervisor Jay Schneiderman has indicated, the Town Board's decision needs to look at all aspects of the project, including pesticides, clearing, traffic etc.
By Yes we can (15), Eastport on Aug 24, 17 8:51 PM
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OMG....queue those who wish to ignore what the research says and instead attempt dis-credit the researcher....

Get F ing real and just look at the data...quit the typical political've either conducted research, taken time to understand the research that's been conducted or you've jumped to conclusions and posted comments because you're unable to analyze the information in front of you.

just be honest. make a choice.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (430), southampton on Aug 24, 17 9:15 PM
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Yes, let's look at the data. Let's look at the research regarding the movement of surface water into the ground and then look at where it goes in what quantities, at what speed and what it carries with it and what changes take place as time passes. Let's have experts in that movement and those changes advise the decision makers. Why wouldn't we want that?

We must then utilize research and experts in what happens when some of that water may intermingle with our marine environment to determine ...more
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 25, 17 2:17 AM
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By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (430), southampton on Aug 25, 17 9:00 AM
VOS, why do you want this large scale development to happen? A financial stake perhaps? I really don't see why anyone want this to happen, save the investors and contractors.
By bigfresh (3107), north sea on Aug 25, 17 5:38 AM
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Then perhaps you need to take the blinders off. This project is precisely the type of development specified in the town's master plan as appropriate for the site. That was even before it was devised to have only a positive impact on the school district.

The town has too often ignored its own studies and permitted development contrary to the plan and now has an opportunity to encourage a well planned economically sound project that will meet the ideals envisioned by planning experts.

I ...more
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 25, 17 5:25 PM
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When are people going to get it that the Town can not buy every single property that is for sale. Either this project goes in or you can have 200 or so homes with their attendant problems (school use,septic waste, etc.)
By tenn tom (170), remsenburg on Aug 25, 17 7:01 AM
... we are lucky to have Gobler on the East End, doing what he does. His insight and integrity can not be impugned.
By William Rodney (468), southampton on Aug 25, 17 10:55 AM
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Yup. We are indeed. Or are you ready to discredit him like the others that you have discredited in the past?
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Sep 2, 17 12:32 AM
Pesticides,traffic pollution,congestion,soil introduction from outside EQ are other issues besides nitrogen. We can only hope that Dr. Gobler's report on nitrogen is enough to end this fiasco. If not, we must confront the many other serious issues at hand. Mr. Schneiderman has nitrogen as onluy one issue on his list of 10. Fingers crossed.
By Taz (335), East Quogue on Aug 25, 17 12:29 PM
I still don't understand how entry way, 18 holes, club house, parking, maintenance sheds AND 188 condos fit on the very limited 156 acres ???? How ??
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 25, 17 9:01 PM
Perhaps you, Taz, Wm Rodney, Big Fresh, Big Turkey and the alphabet man, among others should read the DEIS or FEIS; they will answer the questions many of the project opponents don't want you to know the truth about. It's all there - the maps, the science, the photographs, etc., one simply needs to take the effort to find out for themselves rather than heed the alarmist rhetoric and fake news created in an effort to derail the project.

The FEIS may or may not be online; the DEIS has been ...more
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 26, 17 2:03 AM
VOS, The FEIS is online at the Town's website under the Hills MUPDD. Agree, the members of the public who show interest in this project and the environmental review process should read the official documents. As reported in the article,for one person to opine his assessment of the project impacts and "make or break the project" is completely irresponsible. This project is complex and requires multi-disciplinary expertise and experience in civil engineering, hydrology, hydrogeolgy, soil science, ...more
By Lion (261), southampton on Aug 26, 17 10:35 AM
It seems that we agree. Looks like additional experts from applicable fields should also be hired by the town in order to get a more complete picture of how this proposed project may potentially impact the groundwater and bays.

Lion, are you reaching out to the town suggesting that they gather more feedback from experts with the diverse backgrounds that you've suggested?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (430), southampton on Aug 28, 17 3:14 PM
To "Wordy-Gurdy" It's my understanding the Town hired professional companies who have experience in these fields. Additionally, the Town's own staff have strong backgrounds. My comment was posted to inform everyone that one person should not be assigned to "make or break" a project with as many components as the Hills. Apparently Gobler has confirmed the findings about nitrogen reduction under the proposed PDD that the applicant has stated. That may serve to underscore the science and engineering ...more
By Lion (261), southampton on Aug 28, 17 3:57 PM
fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (430), southampton on Aug 28, 17 4:09 PM
The Draft FEIS is online but remember it has been written by Discovery Land's consultants, not an independent organization.
By Yes we can (15), Eastport on Aug 26, 17 12:19 PM
Every FEIS (and DEIS) is prepared by the applicant... this is standard protocol. The Town has to approve it and declare that it meets the state regulations.
By Nature (2964), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 9:07 AM
What will the owners of Discovery Land do with the $100 million+ they will make when this zoning variance gets approved? I hope they buy some slices of pizza at the local restaurant and put that money back into the community.
By dfree (356), hampton bays on Aug 26, 17 1:01 PM
Simple arithmetic for the Town Board: Most pro-Hills people are not Southampton Town residents and thus can't vote for or against you in November. Most anti-Hills people are Southampton Town residents who can and will vote to in November. Think about it.
By Turkey Bridge (1773), Quiogue on Aug 26, 17 3:22 PM
Hey TB, whilst doing your fuzzy math, don't forget to subtract the following from your excessively vocal list of Southampton voters who oppose the project: Lisa Liquori, Bob DeLuca and Dick Amper. It's misleading of you to suggest these big opponents of the Hills have vested interests In East Quogue. None of them could locate East Quogue without Google Map and a compass, and none can cast a vote in Southampton.
By Lion (261), southampton on Aug 26, 17 8:05 PM
A tip. Ask Gordon Herr if you can borrow his copy of the binders full of support letters for The Hills. There are nearly 2000 of them in there. Names and addresses of every one of them. All legible and all residing in the Town of Southampton. Think about that.

Your statement is rubbish.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Aug 27, 17 10:56 PM
... why did you give Herr binders full of letters?
By William Rodney (468), southampton on Aug 28, 17 7:28 PM
To save him the trouble of having to FOIL them himself. That way he could easily dispel the nonsensical claims that the community didn't support The Hills. The hundreds of endorsements in those binders proved otherwise.

On the other hand, he could use the pathetic showing of support for the candidacy of Fred Havemeyer as further evidence of your minority position.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Sep 2, 17 12:38 AM
VOS the first thing i noted is the property with 1500 sq ft pool, 1500 sq ft deck, 3000sqft house 528 ft drive ... it doesn't add up. .. proportions do not work, drawn in magic marker. Wtf.
Same thing with the course ... can't bold a golf course on 165 acres ... let alone jam all that ancillary structures in there...
VOS don't you question this ??
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 26, 17 5:01 PM
I question where you get your numbers from. I also question what the hell you are getting at. A 1500 square foot pool would be 30 feet by 50 feet, certainly much larger than a typical residential pool. If you have a question to ask or a point to make try to make it understandable.

I suggest you refer to the DEIS or FEIS for the actual figures for what is proposed. If you then have questions you are able to
elucidate perhaps someone with a better understanding of the situation can ...more
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 27, 17 2:50 AM
156 acres is nearly 6.8 MILLION square feet. You're worried about 6000 square feet of clubhouse area and a 500 foot long driveway?
By i'mrightyou'rewrong (5), Southampton on Aug 27, 17 12:54 PM
You can easily build a golf course on less than 165 acres. There are plenty on less than 100. I build them for a living so I know.

FYI, you may have seen an amateurish apples to oranges comparison of the size of local golf courses described by CLEAN. The comparison is is a blatant effort to deceive. Golf courses have their sizes determined by the total acreage of tees, greens, fairways, roughs and bunkers. That is always between 60-100 acres. In the case of The Hills, a pocket has been ...more
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Aug 27, 17 11:30 PM
dave h you are on to something. They can't show the real acreage because the plan won't meet clearing limitations if they do. So they have areas in the middle of the golf course they claim will remain untouched natural. Sure they will.
By CleanWater (118), East Quogue on Aug 26, 17 11:30 PM
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Obviously you're not a golfer.
By i'mrightyou'rewrong (5), Southampton on Aug 27, 17 12:56 PM
All of the acreage is fully documented and is GPS'd. The people analyzing this project on your behalf aren't idiots and are licensed professionals. What you are insinuating regarding "real acreage" is nonsense.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Aug 27, 17 11:02 PM
Their map shows the condos clustered in the center near the clubhouse, dump and 1st tee
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 27, 17 4:56 PM
No insinuations. . But ive always wondered how all those condos and golf facilities and course fit into that tight acreage .. no one ever answers. . We all know the smallest course on long Island and the largest. ... none of them have huge condo projects liked this one .. how does Discovery pull it off ??
Their FEIS map certainly suggests they can't.
Additionally, in their FEIS they have a building design with the dimensions i highlighted. . Both VOS and imrightyourwrong seem ...more
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 27, 17 11:33 PM
What I was suggesting is that your post does not make sense. What is it you're trying to say?
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 28, 17 3:32 PM
I would be happy to meet you in person to explain precisely how a golf course is built and how this plan has been put together. Feel free to drop by our office to do so, or I'd be happy to come to you. I'm easy to get a hold of.

Unfortunately, there has been a concerted and deliberate disinformation effort that has been undertaken against this project and this has resulted in confusion for some of the public.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Aug 27, 17 11:55 PM
Very nice offer. Sincerely, DH
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 28, 17 9:08 AM
I find the "Updated" title of his article to be misleading. If you read the report, Dr. Gobler actually considers different variables, including where the 33 purchased CPF credits will land, program participation in the proposed septic upgrades to residences, and additional ongoing system maintenance to name just a few. He also clearly states that if the proposed changes "were made to the lower impact as of right scenario, this would yield LOWER nitrogen levels than the PDD."

He notes that ...more
By Earthgirl (52), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 12:55 PM
I find the "Updated" title of his article to be misleading. If you read the report, Dr. Gobler actually considers different variables, including where the 33 purchased CPF credits will land, program participation in the proposed septic upgrades to residences, and additional ongoing system maintenance to name just a few. He also clearly states that if the proposed changes "were made to the lower impact as of right scenario, this would yield LOWER nitrogen levels than the PDD."

He notes that ...more
By Earthgirl (52), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 12:55 PM
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Incorrect wording on the updated article. The "fertigation" system, as they call it, will not "inject" any fertilizers in to the irrigation system. It will simply use the existing groundwater, from areas of higher nitrogen concentration where the wells will be drilled, and use that as their irrigation water. It will then be used by the plant and therefore slowly reduced from the groundwater. It's pretty simple science, and for whatever reason many critics of this project choose to ignore or ...more
By i'mrightyou'rewrong (5), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 1:48 PM
Gobler's Report on the Nitrogen Impact on "The Hills PDD" could be titled "Much To Do About Nothing" as William put it. Dr. Gobler had enough "IFs" in his report to make the whole thing IFFY. Everyone could read what they originally thought was fact in this report, good thing no one paid for it. As they say, you get what you pay for or in this case the Town paid zero and got a maybe.
All things being equal, whatever that means, Mark Hissey took to 27 East, the night before, and had a Hissey ...more
By SpeedRacer (77), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 5:01 PM
Earthgirl is absolutely right in her comments two posts up from here. A great number of variables and assumptions underlie the Press's statement (which was not Dr. Gobler's statement), that "PDD Would Have Less Nitrogen Impact." Bit of a stretch, that, because we have no way of knowing which way those variables will go, or whether those assumptions will prove correct.

And of course, Earthgirl is also quite right to point out that if all these goodies stated in the FEIS were loaded on ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1773), Quiogue on Aug 28, 17 5:44 PM
I'm really hoping that the Three J's vote in favor of the Hills...
By Draggerman (710), Southampton on Aug 28, 17 9:50 PM
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For [expletive deleted] sake, just stop. Enough is enough.

What is the developer motto? "Leave no postage stamp undeveloped"?
By Mr. Z (9664), North Sea on Aug 28, 17 7:58 PM
I live in East Quogue and like many of my neighbors, we welcome the Hills.
By A Great American (18), East Quogue on Aug 28, 17 11:05 PM
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I live in EQ and like many of my neighbors we DO NOT welcome the Hills.
By crusader (374), East Quogue on Aug 28, 17 11:34 PM
We are blessed having a such a scientist here who is answering with science what impacts are. Lots of rhetoric gets thrown around, lots of misinformation, simply as people do not want something. The developer turned down offers from the town and the county and they have the ability to build many more homes, as of right, so if there is so much, resentment for this development perhaps those who are against, can pad the towns offer, which was rejected with there own money. Maybe then it will be enough ...more
By North Sea Citizen (457), North Sea on Aug 29, 17 6:29 AM
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Dr. Gobler, from your picture on 27 East, I can see that I am a few years older than you. It seems that during those few years, the Dumbing Down of America must have reached the campuses of higher education. My professors taught that when you compare, for analysis, two items, they should be apples to apples and not apples to oranges.
East Quoque was settled in 1673. During the next 344 years, there wasn't a stampede to East Quoque to develop the land. Thus your comparison of the Nitrogen Impact ...more
By SpeedRacer (77), Southampton on Aug 29, 17 2:34 PM
Are the personal insults a necessary component of your rant? They add nothing to your argument.

It also matters not what was in East Quogue 334 years ago or 1,000 years ago - nothing stays the same and it is extremely odd to believe they should. Comments on 27 East are not part of the record to be considered in the approval process nor is the ink color on any documents you may have seen.

The FEIS contains the information needed for approval; your late-to-the-party suggestions ...more
By VOS (1025), WHB on Aug 29, 17 3:34 PM
VOS, i an referring in part to item 5 in the "DRAFT FEIS (Not Deemed Complete/Subject to Amendment)"
The Woodland Estate ..the drawing shows dimensions that don't make sense .. that need further clarification. .as:
3300 sq ft house .. not unusual, ok
1500 sq ft patio... huge
1500 sq ft pool, ... resort size
528 ft driveway .. how wide?? Incomplete info
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 29, 17 7:45 PM
As everyone focuses on Dr. Gobler's FEIS review, as a member of the audience, I focused intently on part 1 of his review. (The good news is that the Hills Project -- thanks to all who critically reviewed the DEIS and other parts of the PPD planning -- is far less polluting than before.) However nitrogen loading is not eliminated and will make its 5-year journey to Weesuck Creek and Shinnecock Bay. Dr. Gobler's part 1 demonstrated that our bays are losing their life-giving and life saving potency. ...more
By number19 (107), Westhampton on Aug 30, 17 8:39 AM
Gobler has to have said that we are developing long Island as of right, right into the waste pool
By dave h (176), calverton on Aug 31, 17 7:12 PM
Turkey Bridge, where are you? Your silence is deafening. Oh, wait! You must be immersed in those Hissey binders that Mr. Gordon Herr has. What will you say when Schneiderman and the Democrats sell out The Hills?
By SpeedRacer (77), Southampton on Aug 31, 17 8:31 PM
SpeedRacer, see my 8/28 post at 5:44 PM under Amanda Bernocco's 27east piece, "PDD Would Have Less Nitrogen Impact, According To Gobler's Latest Environmental Report On 'The Hills'." Piece went up 8/28 at 12:48 PM.

It's all there, as you well know, since you posted under it. You're just trying to jerk us around here.

See also the excellent editorial "Still No Sale" in this week's (8/31) Press. Dems know what to do.
By Turkey Bridge (1773), Quiogue on Sep 1, 17 11:04 AM
... the Southampton Press hammered the project in an editorial yesterday, 8/31.
A must read for all concerned.
By William Rodney (468), southampton on Sep 1, 17 11:18 AM
Right... an editor's opinion piece in "The Press...." we're not talking The NY Times or Scientific American here... the Press' article by Amanda Bernocco, reports nitrogen fertilizer was limited to amounts equal to 2 pounds per square foot... that's 44 tons per acre... impossible...and inaccurate as per the FEIS... The number is 2 pounds per THOUSAND square by a multiple of 1000... editors are responsible for proofing the facts prior to publication, especially on articles important ...more
By Lion (261), southampton on Sep 1, 17 5:55 PM
*feet not fett..
By Lion (261), southampton on Sep 1, 17 5:56 PM
So is your unequivocal endorsement of the opinion of Dr Gobler. But given his opinion now, is he on your list of discredited scientists who are there because they disagree with you?
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Sep 2, 17 12:30 AM
In a show of unity, the Town Board will vote 5-0 in favor of the Hills. You can put that in the books.
By A Great American (18), East Quogue on Sep 1, 17 4:47 PM
Interesting concept... that would surely neutralize the political poison injected by some over this decision. The decision should be made on the project's environmental impacts and planning aspects which for nitrogen are now shown to be equal to an as of right concept. The vote should not be based on political colors or pressures placed on candidates be they incumbents or challengers. IMO for EQ, little is gained with one more high end residential subdivision when compared to a seasonal resort ...more
By Lion (261), southampton on Sep 2, 17 11:40 AM
Turkey Bridge, you are sounding more like President Donald Trump every post. The Hills PDD is not about you, it's about the future of the East End and the Southampton Democratic Party. I wonder what you will write when Mr. Gordon Herr's chosen candidate - a non member of The Democratic Party - votes in favor of The Hills PDD and forces his "J" puppets to follow. Then we will see who is being jerked around by whom.
By SpeedRacer (77), Southampton on Sep 1, 17 8:36 PM
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There were very many "ifs" in Gobler's report, risk of Hills failure a real probability.
By Taz (335), East Quogue on Sep 2, 17 12:05 PM
Really? Like what? Please remember that Dr Gobler didn't include fertigation or shellfish seeding in his calculation. In fact, he used the most conservative estimations possible and came up with the PDD being better. The lowest estimate on the spectrum was better, and the highest estimate was phenomenally better.

What is a "Hills failure" exactly? Please answer with some facts and not some vague innuendos.
By Mark Hissey (167), East Quogue on Sep 8, 17 12:22 AM
carpeting, flooring, remnants