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Lofstad, Bouvier Reject Findings Statement On 'The Hills' Project Tuesday

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman speaks during Tuesday night's Town Board meeting. AMANDA BERNOCCO
Sep 27, 2017 11:56 AM

Southampton Town Councilwoman Julie Lofstad and Councilman John Bouvier broke their silence on a controversial luxury golf resort application on Tuesday night, stating that they will not approve a document that would help pave the way for the development that targets nearly 600 acres in East Quogue.

The two were referring to the project’s “findings statement,” which is the final hurdle that must be cleared in the arduous state environmental review that is required of most major developments before the application can come before the Town Board for final approval. A positive findings statement, the last step in the State Environmental Quality Review Act process, would mean that the project avoids or minimizes adverse environmental impacts to the maximum extent possible.

Findings statements are generally indicators as to how the Town Board will vote on the final proposal—typically a lawmaker wouldn’t reject a findings statement but then vote in favor of a project, or vice-versa.

And with The Hills at Southampton application, where board members stand is particularly important because while only three votes are required to sign off the project’s findings statement, a supermajority—or the votes of four of the five Town Board members—is needed to approve the actual application.

Board members ultimately agreed to table the resolution to approve the findings statement after fielding criticisms from the public stating that they were poised to vote on the document before releasing it to the public. Prior to tabling the motion on Tuesday night, Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said that it was going to be a “positive” statement. The document was prepared for the town by AKRF, an environmental engineering company hired by the municipality, and Martin Petrovic, a town consultant.

“I was disappointed we are tabling it,” Ms. Lofstad said. “The public deserves to know our position … It’s time to move forward.”

Her statement was followed by a roaring round of applause.

She then added that if the findings statement had been voted on that night it would not have earned her support.

“I would have voted ‘no’ today,” said Ms. Lofstad, before pointing out that she still had concerns about the project’s potential impact on the aquifer.

That comment was followed by a blend of applause and boos.

Mr. Bouvier backed Ms. Lofstad, noting that he did not intend to vote for a positive findings statement because of the “unpredictability” of the environmental impacts. The findings statement is now scheduled to be voted on during a board meeting on October 19, following a public hearing on The Hills application, which requests approval of a special change of zone called a planned development district, or PDD. The hearing is scheduled to begin at 6 p.m. at East Quogue Elementary School on Central Avenue in East Quogue.

Arizona-based Discovery Land Company is seeking permission from the Town Board to build 117 residential units and an 18-hole golf course centered on 168 acres along Spinney Road in East Quogue. The rest of the property would be preserved, according to plans.

Mr. Bouvier’s and Ms. Lofstad’s position against the findings statement was the first time either lawmaker has publicly made a stance on the project. The findings statement can still be accepted without their support as long as it gets “yes” votes from Councilwoman Christine Scalera, Councilman Stan Glinka and Mr. Schneiderman.

The PDD vote—the final vote in the process—needs a supermajority vote, however.

Mr. Bouvier’s and Ms. Lofstad’s stance was interpreted by many in attendance on Tuesday as an indication that they would also vote against the PDD, meaning it would not pass.

Mark Hissey, vice president of Discovery Land Company, took to the podium during the public comment portion of the meeting to express his “anger” with the two board members. “I’m really appalled about what has happened tonight,” Mr. Hissey said.

He noted that his company has worked with Town Board members to address all of their concerns about the environment and it was surprising to him that he apparently did not have their support. “You asked for science,” said Mr. Hissey, his voice racing and increasing in volume. “We’ve given it to you.”

Mr. Bouvier dismissed Mr. Hissey’s claims, noting several times throughout the course of the night that board members devoted hundreds of hours each studying the project. “It’s not simple, and I think we need to be more civil with this issue,” Mr. Bouvier said. “We are trying to find a solution to a problem that is in front of us.”

The meeting was attended by an energetic crowd of more than 100 people. At least half signed up to speak during the public comment portion. Multiple speakers, both for and against the project, ended their three minutes at the podium with a rumble of both applause and booing. It was a tense room, with insults thrown around for much of the night.

In fact, Richard Amper, executive director of the Long Island Pine Barrens Society and a vocal opponent of the project, called for Mr. Schneiderman to resign, charging that the supervisor is not reviewing the project “fairly and legally.”

Mr. Amper also charged that the supervisor has misrepresented the science in a report filed by Dr. Christopher Gobler of East Quogue, a marine science professor at Stony Brook Southampton College, who said that the PDD would likely have the least environmental impact compared to alternatives, and that the supervisor was working too closely with the officials preparing the findings statement.

Mr. Schneiderman dismissed all of Mr. Amper’s comments. “I don’t think there was a shred of truth to a thing you just said,” Mr. Schneiderman fired back as Mr. Amper left the podium.

Others speakers voiced either their support for or opposition to the project.

“When I look at the facts, when I look at the reports, when I look at the science, it doesn’t say it’s the wrong decision,” said Robert Dallas of Southampton, a project supporter. “In fact, I think it’s the right decision.”

Donna Lanzetta, president of the East Quogue Chamber of Commerce, added to that sentiment.

“When Dr. Gobler says that the PDD is better environmentally than the as-of-right development, I don’t see how you can vote ‘no,’” Ms. Lanzetta said.

Ron Kass of East Quogue, on the other hand, urged the Town Board not to accept the positive findings statement.

“There are a lot of opinions here that were stated as fact,” said Mr. Kass, stressing that he feels the project would be a bad addition to the community that he has called home for two decades.

“It’s over,” he continued. “You have the information. Let’s get on with this one way or another and get it done.”

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Hissey fit. Wish I was there to see that. He likes to bully people on the blog, answering only those issues he chooses. Looks like Discovery is trying to bully the Town board as well. Still hasn't addressed a few items from previous blogs...wonder why not...
By zappy (38), east quogue on Sep 27, 17 10:54 AM
All you have to do is read the posts on this site to see why he doesn't address everything. This blog isn't moderated properly, lacks civility and does not sway public opinion. If you wish that you were there then you should have gone instead of posting your desire but most posters on this site are talkers, not walkers.
By dnice (1969), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 11:13 AM
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From what I have heard from Councilperson Bouvier, he rarely listens to anyone else and only hears the voices in his own head. It also seems to be that the Civic Associations "own" Councilperson Bouvier and Lofstad. Councilperson Lofstad is up for re-election this year as well as Jay Schneiderman. . Pay very careful attention to what has been said and done over the past two years - overspending on Good Ground Park with no comfort stations , the Trolley Folly, the avoidance of dealing with the ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 11:10 AM
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There you have it folks. Julie Lofstad says no to a project that would create jobs for people in the neighboring towns, like HAMPTON BAYS.
By Gillnetter (69), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 11:20 AM
... part time , seasonal jobs. No biggie. Plenty of those around for anyone that wants them.
By William Rodney (449), southampton on Sep 27, 17 11:29 AM
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Lofstad Will Become a One-Term Councilperson....This Project is Good for The Residents of East Quogue Finally Catching a Tax Break & Community Benefits, Not To Mention The Alternatives, Beware of What You Wish For, it's Worst than Expected .... EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE HER OUT, THIS IS THE DEATH NAIL FOR HER CAREER.
By The Crow's Nest (55), Red Creek on Sep 27, 17 11:30 AM
I don't think so. People from E Quogue will surely vote for their town council based on the hills decision, but those of us in other hamlets will continue to weigh our options.
I think people are following the hills debate, and I'd guess that it's 50/50 in opinion outside of E Quogue. It may even be more against than for. So I'm not sure the hills is a career killer. Just my opinion.
By Craigcat (130), Speonk on Sep 27, 17 1:29 PM
I have to agree..I'm happy she and Bouvier both said no!
By sandydog21 (182), Southampton on Sep 28, 17 12:44 PM
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I am as well. Call it courage.
By dalapine (4), hampton bays on Sep 28, 17 10:41 PM
Would it still have been 'courage' if they'd said yes?
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 4:34 PM
So a no vote will result in development of the property with year around residence. Possibility of 100 plus children attending the East Quogue School District. All benefits lost to the Hamlet and taxes will go up. This sounds like a loss rather than a win. Be careful what you wish for. The unknown could be far worse. They will still find a way to play golf.
By nytractor (15), hampton bays on Sep 27, 17 11:35 AM
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Sure, Gillnetter, maybe a few jobs in the short term but long term? What you get in the long term -- maybe even the medium term-- from The Hills is trashed water and a cratered economy as a result. Why? Because our economy depends on the water, totally. Think about it and try to think a little beyond tomorrow.

It was a hell of an evening. Straightforward positions taken by Lofstad and Bouvier, some temporizing -- but at least it was openly spoken -- by Schneiderman, and Zero from the ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1707), Quiogue on Sep 27, 17 11:50 AM
Your lame political ploy of repeating a lie often enough to make it appear true will not work here, Turkey. The FEIS is clear that there will be no "trashed water" and certainly not a "cratered economy." The people are watching and know enough about this project to see through the smoke screen of NIMBYism.

Why not demonstrate some intellectual honesty by stating you are against development because you're satisfied with the status quo rather than your bold, unfounded claims of impending ...more
By VOS (963), WHB on Sep 27, 17 3:24 PM
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Thanks for the laugh, George.
By Draggerman (649), Southampton on Sep 27, 17 11:35 PM
The level of disrespect shown by people on both sides of the issue was downright embarrassing. Yes, we can disagree and yes, we can be frustrated by the process, but people need to dial it back a lot. The town can't make a single misstep on this file, because if they do it gives grounds for a lawsuit. Perhaps a lawsuit is unavoidable, I don't know. What I do know is screaming at and publicly disrespecting elected officials doesn't do anything to bolster an argument.
By Craigcat (130), Speonk on Sep 27, 17 1:16 PM
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I haven't followed this project for that very reason. After the last go rounds I really want nothing to do with these meetings. People often have little information; repeat flat out lies, yell, scream and are generally disrespectful. I am sorry to hear that this is happening again. It's a disgrace.
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 9:05 PM
REMEMBER SANDY HOLLOW.
NOBODY WANTED IT.
By pw herman (655), southampton on Sep 27, 17 1:17 PM
Frustration apparent on both sides. This has taken far too long. We will remain vigilant and tolerate the many insults thrown at us on this blog by the pro Hills faction. We are determined to stop this PDD and will persist throughout and after the process if necessary. DLC will not wear us down.
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Sep 27, 17 1:24 PM
Taking The Hills out of the equation for a minute, this town board has already ruled that a PDD is an ineffective and arbitrary tool used to accommodate developers.
It's that fact that leaves one to ask the question, "If it was ineffective then, why should it be effective now?"
By Craigcat (130), Speonk on Sep 27, 17 1:32 PM
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Technically the Hills PDD is "grandfathered" so the elimination of the PDD law after the fact is irrelevant. However, the Town Board technically has the right to reject the Hills PDD based on the PDD law as it stood when Hills application was accepted. An accepted PDD application does not require the Board to approve the PDD. Focusing on the dead PDD law will only complicate matters. The Hills needs to be rejected based on the rules of the PDD law - then DLC has no legal basis for litigation.
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Sep 27, 17 2:05 PM
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The PDD law was rescinded by the three J's because, based on their own statements, it was "too complicated". I want a Town Board that can actually figure out complicated issues and come up with a good project/solution. It appears to me that the 3 J's want to take the easy way out or throw the @&* against the ceiling and hope it sticks. While this is a gigantic project, look at everything that has and has not gone on over the past two years and see if the 3 J's deserve a second term.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 2:37 PM
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I get it. When all is said and done with this file, we all need to lobby the town to expedite a full review and update of the town master plan. Regardless of how folks feel about The Hills, we need to stop and look at the health of our bays. It needs to be the priority, and I just don't see the urgency and overall interest in our communities.
By Craigcat (130), Speonk on Sep 27, 17 4:19 PM
As of right building does not protect our bays. Sad, but true.
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 9:10 PM
I'VE GOT MINE, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOURS. I've sat by and listened to the opposition of The Hills knowing their little secrets, no more - Ron Kass, the president and founder of CLEAN and STOP THE HILLS, according to the Greater Middle County Chamber of Commerce owns a car wash in Centereach - Island Car Wash. Yes, the chief opponent of The Hills, claiming he is concerned about ground water and protection of the bays and aquifer, derives his income from washing cars - an unnecessary vanity use of everyone's ...more
By loxman (9), Remsenburg on Sep 27, 17 3:16 PM
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Well to start, just because you can find examples of bad development choices or business uses in other places doesn't mean that we should continue to allow these same bad choices to be developed in additional areas.

Also the bit about 40+ single family homes requires more than just the pdd being shot down...

More kids in the school is a given, the number of students isn't going to be capped where it is now no matter what happens.

Get with it loxman

Next time ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (390), southampton on Sep 27, 17 4:19 PM
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You are correct, the 40+ single family home subdivision needs a pre-application meeting - Done, needs to submit the subdivision application - Done, needs preliminary approval - Pending, needs final approval - Follows preliminary approval. This whole process with the Planning Department and Planning Board is between 1 and 2 years, then the roads go in and the homes can be built. BTW, this is not discretionary, the Planning Board may control the layout of the subdivision, but not the "as of right" ...more
By loxman (9), Remsenburg on Sep 28, 17 5:05 PM
I forgot to mention the $33,000 application fee to the Town for the subdivision application - Paid.
By loxman (9), Remsenburg on Sep 28, 17 5:17 PM
Yes I agree with you loxman - the things you are saying here are all above board and are not problems.
With the hills proposal out of the picture we can move on.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (390), southampton on Sep 29, 17 11:57 AM
I am extremely, extremely dissapointed in both Julie and John. I was so ready to support Julie, be part of her campaign and vote for her. Now I can't do any of those things. This is simply irresponsible government, with two elected representatives choosing to ignore the very information that they said would dictate their decisions. If they were against it from the beginning I would have respected them admitting that. And they obviously were, but lied and said they were waiting for the report from ...more
By getalife (51), Southampton on Sep 27, 17 3:36 PM
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Not to worry Julie and John. I and many of the Hills opponents will certainly campaign for you. You have shown your integrity in the face of extreme pressure. Thank you.
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Sep 28, 17 1:37 PM
Well done Julie and John, hopefully you will stick to your guns and vote this disaster in the making down. Theoretically developing this acreage as of right will produce a higher density, if and only if there are enough folks willing to pay the price and live in the woods in Quogue on 5 acre parcels. Not gonna happen.
By bigfresh (2895), north sea on Sep 27, 17 4:00 PM
Why would you think it won't happen? What are you basing that on?
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 9:13 PM
Why would you think it won't happen? What are you basing that on?
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 9:13 PM
Not Gonna Happen - people living in the woods in Quogue / East Quogue? Like Southampton Pines, Wildlife I, Wildlife II, The Crossing At Quogue, SIM Realty Associates (Fox Hollow Drive), Old Country Manor.... All not gonna happen???
By loxman (9), Remsenburg on Sep 28, 17 6:15 PM
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I wonder how many writers on this blog, using a faux name (including myself), would have the courage to take a stand in front of a mixed and rowdy, belligerent audience.
KUDOS to JULIE LOFSTAD and JOHN BOUVIER !
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Sep 27, 17 4:59 PM
WE are not the Town Board. That is what they are supposed to do. Have you seen how many times Councilperson Scalera stood up for what she believed was right again the opposition. I thought Councilperson Glinka was going to have a heart attack when he stood up for what he believed in at an August meeting. For what I have witnessed for the past 18 months, I can count on one hand the number of times Councilperson Lofstad has spoken. John Bouvier listens to only the voices in his head and a select ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 6:16 PM
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As HBProud said, this is what they chose to do. That is what they are supposed to do. Any board meetings I have attended, or watched on TV since Mr. Bouvier and Ms. Lofstad have joined the board have been the same. Mr. Bouvier is quite frankly often rude to those who are speaking and Ms. Lofstad seems to have completely lost the ability to speak. Glad to hear that she hasn't lost her voice, just chose not to use it. It's like watching Penn & Teller.

Mr. Glinka and Ms. Scalera have ...more
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 27, 17 9:08 PM
If a prominent local scientist who also happens to live over there, after analysis states that there wouldn't be as much of an impact with the proposal vs as of right, why would you vote against it? Just because people dont want it?? We all agree that the PDD is a problem which now is being eliminated but that is no reason to drag the last one through the mud when the findings are complete just because people dont want it.
By North Sea Citizen (449), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 6:22 AM
Which "people" don't want it? Did those "people" read and understand all the documents or is it a knew jerk reaction? If that is the case, then Councilpersons Lofstad and Bouvier are having the same knee-jerk reaction. Listening to both of them over the past 18 months indicates to me that they do not have the capacity to make competent decisions on behalf of the people of the Town of Southampton. At least Ms. Lofstad is nice about it, Mr. Bouvier is arrogant. He says he is an engineer and I ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 28, 17 8:20 AM
It is premature to offer comments to the SEQRA Findings Statement until the Town has printed it or offered it on the website. It was unfortunate and unfair for the Town to place the applicant and the public into a confrontation based on speculation and innuendo. The resolution should have been withdrawn until the Findings Statement was made public- after all it's not called a Hidden Statement. A self inflicted wound by the Town that demonstrates poor communication.
By Lion (176), southampton on Sep 28, 17 8:13 AM
... thanks for the update.
By William Rodney (449), southampton on Sep 28, 17 12:27 PM
Right... so exactly what did Lofstad oppose? Since there was no known Findings Statement published, the resolution was meaningless. During all the hearings and written comment periods, exactly what were her questions and questions from her colleagues?
By Lion (176), southampton on Sep 28, 17 3:56 PM
Julie,

Congratulations on standing up against all of the pressure, phony analysis of scientific info, etc…

Mr. Schneiderman, Kyle Collins, Wayne Bryun, NPV, Discovery Land Company and all of the “paid for consultants”, contractors, real estate agents and sycophants overlooked one important facet in their attack on Southampton Town and it’s people - integrity.

Mr. Schneiderman suggesting that it’ll be up to future Town Boards to monitor and ...more
By FiddlerCrab (90), Westhampton Beach on Sep 28, 17 9:29 AM
So, HB Proud and BB I guess you think the Fire Fighters, Police, First Responders, Soldiers and others should give back their medals for bravery and their commendations because they get paid to do their jobs. While we are at it, maybe we should do away with all Government Proclamations and award shows, all these people were ONLY doing their job.. How about Employee of the Month while we are at it? Do you understand my post now?
I agree that Stan Glinka and Christine Scalera deserve, when they ...more
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Sep 28, 17 9:29 AM
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LOL whoa Nellie.
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Sep 28, 17 9:35 PM
PUT THE KIBOSH ON SANDY HOLLOW'S HELL-TOWN.
By pw herman (655), southampton on Sep 28, 17 9:41 AM
I live in EQ and the majority of those who are directly impacted by this project DO NOT want a golf course in our backyard. The additional traffic will make traveling Lewis Road and Old Country Road more of a nightmare then it already is. I am skeptical that any monitoring by the Town will take place if the project is approved. The Discovery Land Company has not been a good neighbor in the Bahamas and has destroyed their ecosystem.This developer will not be a good neighbor to those of us who live ...more
By crusader (365), East Quogue on Sep 28, 17 11:12 AM
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i do not know who has given the information that Discovery is not a good neighbor in the Bahamas but that's a LIE! they have been a amazing asset to our community and I can tell you that as I live there!
By jeffscan (17), sh on Sep 28, 17 11:58 AM
Mr. Bouvier and Ms. Lofstad are heroes for taking a stand in this ugly climate created by a supervisor who doesn't have the backbone to put this to a vote and instead enjoys seeing our town split...sounds like another current leader, doesn't it?! Shameful
By zappy (38), east quogue on Sep 28, 17 11:38 AM
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Thanks Julie and John! you have done the right thing.
By kuali (20), southampton on Sep 28, 17 11:45 AM
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Building as of right may increase density but wont change the character of east quogue. East Quoge's character needs to be preserved.
By Summer Resident (196), Southampton N.Y. on Sep 28, 17 12:13 PM
Supervisor Schneider said, when asked about how limitations on chemicals would be implemented said:

"And to the degree that the town enforces the code, I hope that the town, in the future, does the right thing. It enforces the code"

So he's off the hook!

Thank you Julie and John
By CleanWater (109), East Quogue on Sep 28, 17 12:38 PM
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Dear adlkjd923ilifmac - You don't find it incredibly ironic (and interesting) that Mr. Ron Kass, who is leading the charge against The Hills and president of C.L.E.A.N. - Citizens for Clean Drinking Water, Clean Air, and Clean Bays owns Island Car Wash in Centereach? According to their website, they boast that they are "green" and only use about 10 - 15 gallons of our fresh drinking water to clean EACH car. Do the math - 250 cars a day is between 2,500 - 3,750 gallons per day. In one week, the ...more
By loxman (9), Remsenburg on Sep 28, 17 3:59 PM
What does any of this have to do with the proposed project in East Quogue?

Are you suggesting that Ron Kass tell us that we should not protect the aquifer and bays? What are you trying to say? Just because the guy owns a car wash doesn't mean that he is against the environment.

I'll pray for you.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (390), southampton on Sep 28, 17 4:15 PM
Speedracer, are you seriously putting firefighters, soldiers police officers, etc in the same category as politicians? OMG. You have got to be kidding. You should be ashamed of that statement.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 28, 17 6:05 PM
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HB Proud, without dedicated politicians, true public servants, nothing gets done ...example Trump & Zeldin. The people in Puerto Rico can attest to that, if they can survive. Texas and Florida aren't that much better off.
As I noted before, when you put yourself up to work for all the people, then you can talk.
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Sep 28, 17 6:41 PM
First of all, how do you know I have never been a public servant? I am also old enough not to give out trophies for people that show up. Ms. Lofstad has said lmaybe two words since she has been in public office. and Mr. Bouvier only hears the voices in his head. They need to do their jobs. They have far from demonstrated to me that they are capable of doing the job. You cannot compare (or maybe YOU can compare a first responder that puts hi/hers life in danger every day and a "public servant's ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 28, 17 7:32 PM
I’m posting this to try to dispel the misconception that Dr. Chris Gobler endorsed the Hills and that “the science” indicates that the PDD is the best choice for this location. To read Dr. Gobler's actual words go to
(http://ny-southampton.civicplus.com/987/The-Hills-at-Southampton-MUPDD) on the Town Board's website to read his report. On the bottom of page 2 and top of page 3 Dr. Gobler writes, “ It should be noted that if the nitrogen mitigation measures added since ...more
By Yes we can (10), Eastport on Sep 28, 17 6:09 PM
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Don't dismiss the fact that the PDD "nitrogen mitigation" that occurs off site- the purchase of 33 pine barrens credits, STP for the school, million dollars for roughly 40 homes to upgrade their sewage systems, etc cannot be forced upon the as of right development. While it's nice to state in theory if these measures were applied to an as of right, nitrogen loads would be reduced- in the real world it's not legal to apply this to an as of right subdivision. That's why the PDD works out as the best ...more
By Lion (176), southampton on Sep 29, 17 7:23 AM
MANY THANKS to Councilwoman Lofstad and Councilman Bouvier for rejecting The Findings on The Hills. What COURAGE !

As for Supervisor Schneiderman, what a COWARD !!
He calls himself an environmentalist ???

Gordon Herr, you selected another ATH. HOW SAD !!!!
By HamptonClassic (13), Southampton on Sep 28, 17 6:26 PM
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I don't understand how a position on this issue translates to "courage". It seems that the people of the Town of Southampton have gotten so used to inferior leadership such as ATH that when Town Board members occasionally their job, they deserve a parade. I seriously cannot believe the posts.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 28, 17 8:13 PM
Paper Cuts, Indeed!
It is ironic that, on the very day Republican Congressman Steve Scalise walked back, with the aid of two canes, to his seat, after being shot, you, HBProud, would write that the only danger officials face are PAPER CUTS.
Where would you like me to start? Abraham Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, John F Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Gabby Gifford and many other public servants, on the Federal, State and Local levels.
Paper Cuts, ...more
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Sep 29, 17 10:24 AM
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So now we have sycophant Joy Flynn ( President of the Southampton Town Democratic Club; also 2nd Vice President of the Southampton Town Democratic Committee) in her Letter To The Editor " Very Impressive" express attributes regarding Jay Schneiderman. WHAT A JOKE ! "He's interested in the environment, clean water, preservation and dedication to the well-being and future of the East End."
Judging from Jay Schneiderman's action regarding The Hills PDD vote, which HE tabled, it's quite obvious ...more
By HamptonClassic (13), Southampton on Sep 29, 17 11:25 AM
If Jay wants an environmental feather in his cap continue his political career, all he need do is vote against the PDD. Easy now that it appears it will fail anyway with negative stances announced by both Julie and John at Tuesday's meeting. 4 yes votes of 5 board members now looks unlikely.
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Sep 29, 17 12:00 PM
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I also read Ms. Flynn's Letter - it was so transparent - In the past 18 months, I can count the number of times Ms. Lofstad spoke on one hand. She actually said "can I say something" as if she needed permission from Jay to speak. The problem as I see it with the 3 J's, is exactly what is being said here - it is all about politics - they are not true public servants and they are certainly not leaders or have the capacity to make decisions on behalf of the residents. We need new leadership.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 17 12:11 PM
Speedracer, are you seriously comparing random acts of violence against politicians to first responders who put their lives on the line every day. Are you seriously comparing our founding fathers to Jay, Julie and John. You are seriously delusional
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 17 4:46 PM
HBProud, one of the tricks political debaters try, is to make up a silly statement and attribute it to their opposition ... sorry it won't work for you here! What I wrote and what I believe is, that every individual should be recognized when they stand up for principles and not personal gain.
Find and read a copy of the 1957 Pulitzer Prize winning book - Profiles In Courage. The eight people featured, who exhibited "great acts of bravery", were all politicians.

KUDOS TO JULIE AND ...more
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Sep 29, 17 8:27 PM
Yesterday I played golf at Maidstone, today at Shinnecock. This Summer I’ve played at Sebonack and National. I’m a member at Westhampton CC golf. Recently on channel 22 a woman stated that our east end economy is totally built on our beaches, bays and fishing and clamming. This delusional thinking is in the minds of John Bouvier and Julie Lofstad. If you read JB’sprevious weekly letter in SH Press, you would know that he and his partner in delusion would never vote for this ...more
By RANGER66 (9), WESTHAMPTON BEACH on Sep 29, 17 8:36 PM
Yesterday I played golf at Maidstone, today at Shinnecock. This Summer I’ve played at Sebonack and National. I’m a member at Westhampton CC golf. Recently on channel 22 a woman stated that our east end economy is totally built on our beaches, bays and fishing and clamming. This delusional thinking is in the minds of John Bouvier and Julie Lofstad. If you read JB’sprevious weekly letter in SH Press, you would know that he and his partner in delusion would never vote for this ...more
By RANGER66 (9), WESTHAMPTON BEACH on Sep 29, 17 8:48 PM
Those aren't enough courses?

The last thing we need is another golf course. Build a race track.
By Mr. Z (9281), North Sea on Sep 30, 17 4:09 AM
After further video review: 1. a resolution prepared for a Findings Statement that wasn't ready for prime time introduced on or about the last day a Findings Statement must be adopted under SEQRA . 2. Public Portion comments are not part of an official record and whilst influential, having it initiated by a council person is pretty unusual. Knowing the Hills project was emotionally charged it was naive to think little good could come it all. 3. Dick Amper proved he's unworthy of a future role in ...more
By Lion (176), southampton on Sep 30, 17 9:52 AM
This is a seemingly thoughtful statement. It's too bad that you misuse the word 'science' all of the time though.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (390), southampton on Sep 30, 17 10:49 AM
REMEMBER SANDY HOLLOW
PRESERVE SANDY HOLLOW
Sep 30, 17 10:01 AM appended by pw herman
NOBODY WANTS IT !!!!!!!!!!
By pw herman (655), southampton on Sep 30, 17 10:01 AM
If you will dis Mr. Amper, let's not forget how Mr. Hissey showed his true colors,pointing at Julie and John, making accusations of impropriey, embarrasssing DLC with his childish temper tantrum. Is this who we want ganbling with our environment?
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Sep 30, 17 10:10 AM
Speedracer, everyone deserves respect for the job they do WHEN THEY DO THEIR JOB. I have very carefully watched and listened to the 3 J's over the past 18 and it is like watching a circus act. Jay looks like he would rather be playing drums at the OLA event or painting ducks at the HBCA event, Julie looks like a deer in headlight, and John looks like he is napping unless he wants to add some arrogant comment. Sorry, we will disagree that these are truly public servants.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Sep 30, 17 10:42 AM
What a great thread! We have it all here -- smart, dumb, honest, lying, quiet, loud, logical, incoherent. Everything but a guy in a red ballcap standing up and encouraging people to rough up his opponents. Maybe next time.

All i have to add is a fervent Thank You, John and Julie. John's not running this year, but hey, vote for Julie Lofstad on November 7.
By Turkey Bridge (1707), Quiogue on Oct 1, 17 4:15 PM
Turkey Bridge, What a great summary! This thread is what democracy is all about, now if we could figure out a way to motivate most of the voting public to vote, we would have something. BTW, what is a Turkey Bridge?

Kudos to Julie Lofstad and John Bouvier.
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Oct 1, 17 8:13 PM
This "turkey bridge" is George Lynch of the democratic committee since he inadvertently posted as such some time ago. I will agree everyone should vote especially the 6,000 registered voters in Hampton Bays who in the past two years have lived through a brothel raid, gang stabbing at CBs, continued illegal use of motels and one-family houses, open drug deal, high tax rate. No kudos to either Councilpersons Lofstad or Bouvier from me. Kudos to Councilpersons Scalera and Glinka who have repeatedly ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 9:54 AM
Another Hissey fit hits the Town Board meeting ! Wow, attacking and accusing Lofstad and Bouvier as "being in bed with the environmentalists." How outrageous!
Hissey, pointing his finger at the two Councilpersons---you know what they say when you point with one finger, your other fingers point right back at you ! It seems that Hissey's plan is beginning to unravel, as he is, and even Jay Schneiderman, won't be able to stall forever. Schneiderman needs to go.
By HamptonClassic (13), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 11:26 AM
Or Jay finally stands up against the Hills!
By Taz (247), East Quogue on Oct 2, 17 11:49 AM
There is no leadership at the Town on day to day operations and no prudent decision making. Julie and John were against the Hills from Day 1. Based on what I have observed over the past 18 months, it is doubtful to me that they objectively looked at or heard anything. This may be the right answer, but if it, it will be dumb luck, not prudent decision making.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 12:59 PM
How about "standing up" to the due process under State law? The Town Board accepted Lead Agency status under SEQRA. They are required to complete and adopt the Findings Statement within a specific, legal time frame. They did not. The Findings Statement wasn't even available and comments offered by individual members of the Lead Agency, with no official document filed, could easily support legal action against the Town. Whether you support the Hills or oppose it, adherence to the application due ...more
By Lion (176), southampton on Oct 2, 17 1:04 PM
You made my point. Multiple that by about 50 and you get the activity under the 3-J rule for the past 18 months. Bottom line, we need new leadership notwithstanding whether you are for or against this particular project.
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 1:59 PM
The SEQRA Findings Statement is still not on the Town website. The PDD/Local Law Public Hearing announcement (passed by TB resolution Sept 26th) is published on the Town website and includes a list of parties the Town Clerk is instructed to mail the resolution to. The applicant and his/her agents are not included on the mailing/notification list, among others, the local "civic" opposition groups are... I'm not trying to underscore your comment, but equally cannot discount your observations.
By Lion (176), southampton on Oct 2, 17 5:40 PM
Thank You HB Proud for the info on Turkey Bridge. Now I understand why I agree with him on so many issues, as I do with you. It is too bad that the Republican Party can not come up with a credible candidate to replace Town Supervisor Schneidrman. I think it is time for the voters to elect a supervisor by the write in process. Mr. Stan, the silent man, Glinka had nothing to say at this Town Board Meeting, possibly a lack of courage. Councilman Glinka should join Mr. Schneiderman in a new career with ...more
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 7:56 PM
and there it is, speedracer. It is not about the process or issues at all with your posts. It is about the politics. Some of us actually care about the issues facing our community and want them addressed by whichever party will address them. I have carefully watched and listened for 18 months to all of the issues addressed under the current leadership. Ineffective, inefficient, dysfunctional are the words used as various meetings to describe the administration under the 3J majority - some have ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 9:13 PM
SpeedRacer, How right you are, to use the write-in process for Town Supervisor.
The Town needs a Supervisor who is a true environmentalist , and would oppose The Hills PDD.
At this point, we need to change the letter of the alphabet regarding the Town Board and focus on the 3 S's--- Stan, Scalera, and Schneiderman, These elected officials showed total cowardice by remaining silent at the September 26 Town Board meeting when a vote was to be taken on The Findings. The Supervisor tabled ...more
By HamptonClassic (13), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 10:04 PM
There you go again HB Proud. You won't give credit to Councilwoman Julie Lofstad and Councilman John Bouvier for standing up to Supervisor Schneiderman and backing the environment, While Councilman Stan Glinka and Councilwoman Christine Scalera cowered behind Supervisor Jay Schneiderman.
I might have been wrong about Councilwoman Christine Scalera chewing on a plug of tobacco - it could have been a large chunk of gum. I sure hope she didn't put it on the bottom of her chair, for future use!

Kudos ...more
By SpeedRacer (34), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 11:22 AM
HB Proud, "Taking action, Making a difference." Do you recognize this quote?
It's from Stan Glinka"s ad in the SH Press. What action did he take at the Town Board meeting regarding The Findings? He might have made a difference in how this application would move forward, but instead, he remained silent.

HB Proud, how can you say that Glinka and Scalera have helped Hampton Bays throughout the years--you are still complaining and appear to be upset, and rightfully so, regarding the problems ...more
By HamptonClassic (13), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 12:27 PM
So what did John Julie & Jay do with regards to this issues?

John & Julie spoke out once. What about the rest of the time? There are many issues in this town and if you attend or watch board meetings you will see that John is rude & Julie doesn't open her mouth. Finally doing so doesn't make up for two years of inactivity.

Other than this instance regarding the Hills, what else have they championed?
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 1:30 PM
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Excuse me, "these" not "this" issues?
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 1:31 PM
Speedraicer, you are missing my point. Good for John and Julie for speaking up. Just because they spoke up doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. I have serious doubts about their capacity to make unbiased, educated, thoughtful decisions based on my observations over the past 18 months. Julie and John said they were against the Hills before they were elected and before any documentation came out. Beside this "headline" they have been yes nods for Jay. HamptonClassic, the ...more
By HB Proud (686), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 4:14 PM
They know what the right thing to do is, hopefully they'll vote down this disaster Election Day is a great motivator
By bigfresh (2895), north sea on Oct 5, 17 2:28 PM
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Hey SpeedRacer, Turkey Bridge is where I live in Quiogue, and everyone who follows this site knows who I am, which is fine with me. When I started posting here, about eight years and 1700 posts ago, I would have used my real name, but it seemed everybody was using screen names, so I just went with the flow.

HB Proud has it wrong about how I came to be known -- it was a gradual process and not due to any particular incident, though there were incidents, I admit. But then, HB Proud has ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1707), Quiogue on Oct 5, 17 5:54 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Oct 8, 17 8:59 PM
Huh? What the heck did I say? It was not a duplicate. It was not inappropriate and it wasn't off-topic. I asked for examples of Julie's achievements during her term of office and my comment was removed. I guess it is a harder question to answer than I thought.
By bb (677), Hampton Bays on Oct 9, 17 9:19 PM