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Pine Barrens Advocates Sue Over Speonk Sand Mine

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Michael Wright   Dec 19, 2012 9:02 AM
Jan 2, 2013 11:23 AM
The Pine Barrens Society, the environmental group that spearheaded the preservation of the Central Pine Barrens in the early 1990s, is suing the panel of local elected officials that oversees its protection, the Central Pine Barrens Joint Planning and Policy Commission.

The lawsuit, filed on November 15 in State Supreme Court, concerns a waiver granted to the owners of a sand mine in Speonk several weeks prior, freeing them from the land-use controls within the pine barrens. The waiver will allow the mine, owned by Westhampton Property Associates, to operate in the environmentally sensitive zone for at least an additional 25 years, until 2041, well beyond its original 2016 permit sunset. The lawsuit demands that the commission revoke the extension, saying there is no basis in the legislation for granting it.

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"The commission, at the Southampton supervisor’s recommendation, unanimously approved a waiver based on the hardship that forcing the mine’s closure in 2016 would have on its owners."

Guess ATH doesn't understand the meaning of "self-created hardship". What a fool, and of course Marty said what he said - guess who signs his paycheck? ATH!

The Supervisor's protect one another's interests and the legislation should be changed to add two more members to the board so ...more
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 12:01 PM
And another thing, "And in exchange for being allowed to extend the life of the mine, the owners agreed to a contingency that when the mine is ultimately closed, it would not be abandoned, as is common practice, but extensively treated to help it return to a more natural state as quickly as possible."

That is total BS. In order to get a Sand Mining permit from the state, you have to agree to a remediation plan which the sand mine owner is legally obligated to fullfil. But they keep ...more
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 12:05 PM
ya lets return everything to its natural state then we can all live under a log and eat grass and bay scallops.
Meanwhile back at the ranch...

Study: Environmentally Friendly Lightbulbs Cause Cancer

The federal government is forcing more and more Americans into buying new energy efficient lightbulbs by outlawing incandescent light bulbs, which supposedly waste energy. But a new study shows that eco-friendly lightbulbs may not be human-friendly.
According to a study from ...more
By joe hampton (1336), south hampton on Jan 3, 13 8:08 PM
Yeah, that study came out back in July. Truh be told, the mercury which makes the light possible is more dangerous when any fluorescent bulb is shattered. Mercury vapor is also introduced into the atmosphere by improper recycling of fluorescents, and when mixed in with regular garbage the ballasts are toxic to soil and water as well. Truth be told though, the levels are far lower than direct sunlight and most people use lampshades, or decorative glass fixtures which would negate most, if not ...more
By Mr. Z (4515), North Sea on Jan 3, 13 8:26 PM
Wizard of Z, what do you know about the mercury's ability to escape from the base of the bulb, since the glass is almost always melted through when you replace these little fire hazards
By joe hampton (1336), south hampton on Jan 3, 13 8:56 PM
Joe - that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is the property owner bought the parcel in the Core of the Pine Barrens knowing full well what restrictions were in place when his mining permit expired. It's a self-created hardship - why should we bend the rules so he can profit more? Especially at the expense of our groundwater and natural areas?
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 13 9:13 AM
Becuse knowing Marty he would not have recomended this if it was a hazard... Its just everyone on these boards are so anti small business. I know the owners and they are not making as much as you think.Why do you have to bring profit into the conversation like its a bad thing... thats what he is in business for not to lose money.
By joe hampton (1336), south hampton on Jan 4, 13 1:03 PM
Again, if you look at what I said I never said what Marty said was "wrong" I just said he can't actually give a full-blow professional analysis because it would in no way agree with what ATH and the others are pushing forward. Same thing when it comes to the beach restoration projects. Marty is a smart man - he words things so he can stand behind it, but omits commenting on the stuff he doesn't believe it. He won't bite the hand that feeds and who can blame him for that?

I bring profit ...more
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 13 1:12 PM
- oh and that's 100 yards/1 mile long/god knows how deep. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll get approval from the state to dig into groundwater and extract "our" resources.
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 13 1:15 PM
Good thing nobody (except you and I) reads your nonsense!
By whatapity (27), Tuckahoe on Jan 2, 13 5:01 PM
Well, Little Miss Supervisor gets her way again. Mr. Amper should pursue this lawsuit to its ultimate conclusion and then through Appeal if he doesn't prevail in the local biased courts. As a preliminary, track donations from individuals and corporations connected to this "hardship" and see how much was donated to Anna Twit Holst -- legally that is. As for the two comments by "Nature" above they are totally on point and relevant. The only thing missing is how much tax payers are actually paying ...more
By Phanex (69), Southampton on Jan 3, 13 3:48 PM
M. Shea makes approximately $109,000 based on 2011 data providedby Newsday. I can attest to the fact that he works for that $$ and is not part of the "overstuffed Planning Department". In fact, there is NO "overstuffing" of the Planning Department which is severly understaffed.

Marty holds his own with the Conservation Board and when it comes to wetlands permits - the problem comes when he is tasked with other environmental queries posed to him by the Supervisor. If he says "no way ...more
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 3, 13 4:16 PM
And respectfuly...Why do we have to print Marty's salary on this board. It is really no ones business
By joe hampton (1336), south hampton on Jan 4, 13 1:06 PM
It was printed in Newsday and can be found in othre places - such as seethruny and on the Town's website in the budget. I personally defended his salary and stayed he earns it, and he has been there a long time.

As for it being "no one's business" I guess you don't how taxes work do you?
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 4, 13 1:13 PM
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By 27dan (517), Southampton on Jan 3, 13 7:54 PM
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