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Jan 25, 2017 11:56 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Schneiderman Skeptical On Approval Of Tuckahoe Center Proposal

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman and councilwoman Christine Scalera at the Tuckahoe Center hearing on Tuesday.  DANA SHAW
Jan 25, 2017 11:56 AM

With a solid majority of speakers at a public hearing on Tuesday night voicing opposition to a change of zone application to allow the construction of a new shopping center on County Road 39 in Tuckahoe, Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman hinted afterward that he believes the project will not get the required three votes of support from the Town Board.

“The speakers here were obviously opposed—it was clearly two-to-one against,” the supervisor said after the meeting. “A lot of those who were supportive were from far away.

“Personally, I think the writing’s on the wall for Tuckahoe Center. It’s a pretty heavy lift to change zoning—particularly when the community opposes it. I think the direction this is going is relatively clear.”

The supervisor’s comments came after a five-hour-long public hearing at Town Hall on the proposal by a group of developers led by Robert Morrow, which seeks to alter the zoning on three adjoining properties totaling 7.26 acres, situated along the southeastern side of County Road 39. The change, from highway business to shopping center business, is required for the proposed construction of a 38,000-square-foot supermarket and an additional 14,500 square feet of commercial space in three additional buildings on the property.

A larger plan failed to gain the support of the Suffolk County Planning Commission in 2015, which prompted the developer to submit a smaller plan, which includes a 10-percent reduction of building area compared to the last proposal. The commission recently approved it, which means the Town Board can approve the change of zone with a simple majority of three of five votes.

VHB Engineering, the Hauppauge-based consulting firm hired by Mr. Morrow, gave a presentation Tuesday night that favorably compared the proposed 52,500-square-foot project to Bridgehampton Commons, a commercial development with a total of 287,500 square feet of supermarket and commercial space.

Despite the project being one-fifth of the size of the complex in Bridgehampton, the majority of speakers at the hearing voiced opposition to the plans, many citing concerns about the potential impact on traffic along County Road 39 and Magee Street. According to a 2015 traffic analysis by VHB, the proposed project is not expected to attract a significant number of new vehicles to CR 39, given the access from Magee Street. “There will, in fact, be sections of CR 39 where the development of the supermarket will result in a reduction in traffic levels, as trips to more distant supermarkets are eliminated from those sections,” VHB officials wrote in the report.

A speech by Suffolk County Legislator Bridget Fleming, who represents the East End, garnered loud cheers from the audience of over 150 people after she argued against the change of zone, largely because of the supermarket use.

“The applicant’s slight reduction in mass is, first, a very slight reduction in mass, and, second, does not change the most troubling aspect of this application—which is the use,” said Ms. Fleming, who first voiced opposition to the project as a Town Board member. “A shopping center, which is a very large grocery store, is only financially viable if it produces a lot of traffic. High trip-generating uses have specifically been recognized as unworkable by decades of careful planning by this particular corridor—because the road, folks, cannot handle it.

“I know it can get complicated when you’re sitting at that table,” she added, speaking to the Town Board, “but no one asks us to check our common sense at the door when we are elected to office.”

Ms. Fleming was among several public officials who have voiced opposition to the project, including State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr., Southampton Village Mayor Mark Epley, and Southampton Village Trustees Nancy McGann and Michael Irving.

“If anybody believes that a grocery store is a low-trip generator, you’re wrong,” Mr. Epley said. “It’s one of the highest trip generators.”

Mr. Thiele, in a letter submitted to the Town Board, said he is currently involved in discussions with Long Island Rail Road officials, who he said have agreed to examine the idea of commuter shuttle trains to help alleviate the traffic on County Road 39. “This service has the potential to remove people from their cars and reduce traffic congestion,” he wrote. “Therefore, it is unfathomable that at the same time, the Town of Southampton would even consider a change of zone that would intensify land use in the [County Road] 39 corridor and increase traffic congestion.”

Barbara Roberts, a longtime Sag Harbor resident who immediately resigned from the Suffolk County Planning Commission after it voted last month to approve the project, spoke out against the zone change on Tuesday. Later, this prompted a strong rebuttal from Mr. Morrow, who repeated claims that Ms. Roberts had a conflict of interest due to connections with an online shopping website—the subject of a lawsuit he had filed—and that she has spread false information about the size of the project.

“If you review the public records of the five previous hearings for this application, no more than 12 people showed up in opposition,” Mr. Morrow said. “Tonight, obviously, there was a lot more than 12—and I wonder why they all showed up.”

Since Ms. Roberts left the public hearing before Mr. Morrow spoke, Mr. Schneiderman noted that he had spoken with Ms. Roberts and said that she, in fact, did not have ties to online grocery outlets. He later noted that he felt the turnout from the community against the project was not related to any false information sent out in emails.

“The turnout had nothing to do with the literature,” the supervisor said. “The people who came out have been opposed for quite some time. There were some interesting things said about conflicts of traffic. I would say the audience understood the project.”

Lance Nil, the founder of the Tuckahoe Center project proposal and a partner with Mr. Morrow, passionately argued for the change of zone later in the hearing after representatives for the developers earlier in the meeting had run over the alloted 30 minutes and he did not have a chance to speak. He argued that the local businesses would not be affected by the center, lamenting misinformation and labels of “mega mall.”

“Mom-and-pops have left on their own from higher rents,” Mr. Nil said. “This is not going to create additional shoppers—they already exist.”

Bernice Hasse, a Tuckahoe resident since 1993, argued that the dangers along County Road 39 outweighed any conveniences of a shopping center locally.

“Of course traffic has become unbearable and dangerous,” she said. “There’s all kinds of road surveys, but we’re the soldiers on the ground. We’re the ones who have to drive in these conditions. We’re the ones who have our children and grandchildren in the back seat.”

The town will keep written comments open on the application until Tuesday, February 7. After the public comment period is closed, Mr. Schneiderman said the board will need to make a decision on the rezoning between 10 and 30 days later.

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So Nil and Morrow and their hired pawns made up 1/3rd of the attendance, all with financial gain and/or favors on the line. The other 2/3rds of the attendance included those of us that have nothing to gain but don't want this dangerous stretch of roadway made even more dangerous.
By Killerfrog (38), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 12:31 PM
Judging by Schneiderman's methodology then, its safe to say that Tuckahoe rd. will not be revert to the golf club due to the majority opposition to it and, instead, the board can focus their attention to the real problem here which is resolving the traffic situation.

By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 1:48 PM
Yes, and we will happily remind him of this if that Tuckahoe Rd. nonsense ever comes up again.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jan 25, 17 5:09 PM
Agree wholeheartedly!
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 29, 17 1:05 PM
We do need a super market in the area. But to change zones for it is wrong.
Southampton is gone... Banks, real estate offices and financial offices take up first floor spaces that should have retail shops. Very few shopping in Southampton Village, look at Sag Harbor and East Hampton in the evenings.
Village board has really changed the village [patchogue].
Traffic, will not get better. Live with what we have. If the contractors, visitors, summer residents and who ever don't like ...more
By knitter (1906), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 5:07 PM
There is no zone in Southampton for Grocery store...
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 5:15 PM
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So many other supermarkets to choose from - cannot fathom how you think we need more - There used to be three (3) in the village and two (2) closed down for lack of business...You have specialty stores everywhere - and Stop/Shop - Delicatessens - and Peapod delivery - Hampton Bays and Riverhead and big box discount stores - Guess you want egg in your beer...
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 1:41 PM
Actually, Gristedes entire system failed. When they moved out, the landlord pitched the property to Rite Aid. Large pharmacies pay more in rent than a grocery store. IGA's lease ended and that property owner was approached by CVS.

You clearly have more time in your life than I do. Both my wife and I work full time. I run my own business and I volunteer, which is truly a part time job in my capacity. I can't do Peapod, can't wait around for a delivery. Specialty stores and Delis aren't ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 6:49 AM
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So many supermarkerts to to chose from .....in the surrounding hamlets. Doesn't that seem odd....having to travel to another hamlet for your food shopping needs in this prestigious wealthy village?! The one store here is a joke. I dont have time to visit Stop & Shop 3 times in a week bc they dont have the basics I need. It would be amazing to make only one trip to the store each week. 9 times out of 10 , I leave Stop &Shop without everything on my list. So I will travel to Bridghampton from now ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jan 27, 17 7:45 AM
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Wait until TGI Fridays opens up there. Restaurants are a highway business.

The problem here is, the little NIMBY sheep believe that it will be shot down and CPF Funds will purchase the property for another park.

That's really going to help Tuckahoe School District with its operating budget.

The reality is, NILL, Morrow and Pike will find the next most lucrative thing. TGI Fridays AND Hooters could go in there. W
ith only a site plan and building dept approval. Just ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 5:12 PM
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Bridget Fleming has been solid on this issue from beginning to end. Naturally, I favor someone who not only agrees with me, but does so invoking the same principle that I do. When Ms. Fleming says we didn't check our common sense at the door, I'm happily reminded that common sense has been at the core of my argument on this one -- regardless of what the developer's "traffic experts" claim, common sense tells me, loudly, that this project will kill CR39. It's a total loser.

Fred Thiele ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 25, 17 8:10 PM
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Since Westhampton has a nice grocery store you should probably butt out, George.

If you had a sub par grocery and needed to travel every time you needed groceries, you'd understand. Stop n shop Southampton is a step down from the crappy Waldbaums we had, that was a step down from the Crappy A&P...

I've never seen such misinformation spewed about a project in my life. Most of the people that speak against it are new transplants, retired. I know. I went to 5 of the 6 hearings. The ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 9:35 AM
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Butt out? You say I should butt out? And you say this is because Westhampton Beach has a good grocery store. So you'd restrict the conversation to those in the Southampton-Tuckahoe area who don't have a good store within a 6-minute drive, right?

In other words, Draggerman, you're cutting out all of us who drive on County Road 39, for whatever reason, and have to deal with an unacceptable level of congestion already, and are now threatened with a crippling level of congestion by this ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 27, 17 11:07 AM
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George. Can you do me one favor, next time your out this way?

Look at the Farrell retail center that has been approved where Sunnation/Fortunoffs was. The traffic caused by Tuckahoe is nothing to what this development will do. But we didn't hear about it until it was too late. Because Joe is building "as of right", he didn't need public hearings. Go look at the property line stake across from the SFD Antique Barn.

This is why I find this whole debacle frustrating. I'm already ...more
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 1:52 PM
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Very WELL said Dragger!! Im confused as to how some ppl from other hamlets seem to think they know whats best for our hamlet and our food shopping needs!

Hey TB... how about food shopping in our Stop & Shop for the next month , the experience will certainly change your opinion! As for the traffic, good luck getting past Southampton and the bottleneck at Flying Point Road... THAT is what will cause the extra traffic congestion in Tuckahoe! Yes, it will back things up that far. If you dont ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jan 28, 17 8:06 AM
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Well this is some good news! Let's hope that the Board does their job representing us and denies the change of zone.
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Jan 25, 17 9:25 PM
DO we want to see County Rd 39 turn into a County Rd 58??? and a ghost main street like Riverhead has been for more then 15 years? is taking them for ever to revive that area….after they killed it :(
By Mate (53), Southampton on Jan 25, 17 11:01 PM
So, after 5 previous public hearings where turnout was 2 to 1 for the project, this one public hearing the Press trumpets as being 2 to 1 against (but fails to mention the other 5). So, what are we to make of this. Yes, there were more opponents who spoke, who showed up an hour earlier to stuff the speaking cards you need to fill out. By the time supporters gained in mass (the actual tally was more like 35 against, 25 for, not 2x1), many of the supporters, but 9:30pm had to leave and did not speak. ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 1:39 PM
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Please keep the vote against this travesty - It only profits the builders and developers and ignores the needs of the local populace - investors a zillion miles away who have no idea how their money is being "invested" (read "wasted") on building an unnecessary project - there are PLENTY of outright abandoned buildings that are languishing without business - these so-called needed new businesses can renovate and use them. IF there is ANY planning in this town.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 1:47 PM
Please keep you facts straight though. All of the investors in this project are local residents, even the main developer, who is Bridgehampton resident. The others are local Southampton families. This is NOT some outside entity coming in to do this project.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 3:19 PM
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So thats what all those people from up island were doing there, submitting letters for there "friends" who live in EQ & WH. Get your facts straight, please I urge you to get a membership to Costco.
By JM11968 (71), southampton on Jan 26, 17 5:41 PM
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Careful, now. The head of the East Quogue CAC spoke, Andrea Spilka, who works with civics WEST of the canal spoke, Barbara Roberts is from North Haven Village, a letter from Save Sag Harbor, a representative from the Bridgehampton CAC, and who knows where De Luca is from, hired flak that he is, all opponents who spoke who don't live anywhere near the project. So, do be careful about who spoke for whom, as many people who did speak in support actually live in the market area of the center.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 9:02 AM
I don't often capitalize words in my posts, because one shouldn't have to, but there are exceptions to every rule. Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker refers above to Group for the East End President Bob DeLuca as follows: "HIRED FLAK THAT HE IS."

Wow! Are you serious, Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker? Are you really serious? Because if you are, you've left yourself exceedingly vulnerable.

I think it's safe to say that everyone who has followed these conversations, whether they support or oppose ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 27, 17 11:43 AM
You know, I've said it before and I guess you need to hear it again. I am not compensated or have some financial interest in the outcome. So, you are WRONG.

Bob DeLuca circulated an email calling the development a 320,000 sq ft mall. That, my friend, is A LIE.

I am happy to take on De Luca ANY TIME, ANY WHERE related to the Tuckahoe Center. He is a hired gun, always has been, and while I may agree with him on some issues, his fast and loose use of false facts about the Tuckahoe ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 12:46 PM
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County Road 39 is the only arterial highway from the west of the East End to the east of it. Therefore every member of the civics associations who spoke has a stakehold in it. This travesty of a proposal will endanger anyone who has to use the road (which is everyone) by increasing an already unacceptable situation vis-a-vis traffic and safety, will destroy small area businesses and our village centers which are part and parcel of our uniqueness. Develop 39 in this way, and you've destroyed the ...more
By June Bug (2605), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 27, 17 1:21 PM
Which small business will be put out by a grocery store, June?

But, if a chain restaurant goes in there, it will gut Fellinghams, Pauls & Public House. Just saying.

They will build something there. Its not going to be a bombed out storage for broken trucks forever...
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 1:58 PM
And isn't this the same Bob Deluca that wants to build a dude ranch in "The Hills in Southampton"?

By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 2:00 PM
Hello. CR39 only goes from the east of the canal (the north hwy) to the intersection at Flying Point Rd. So, frankly, no one west really has a "stakehold" in it. In no way would it minimize village business. Might it take some business away from the village S&S, sure. But since the village is primarily clothing, jewelry, local restaurants and home goods, this supermarket isn't going to hurt the village at all. That's just more spin.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 27, 17 2:27 PM
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Look at that AWFUL development on Tuckahoe already - the condos? Queens in Southampton. And the development directly west has not been able to fill the location for over a decade.
By Vikki K (490), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 1:48 PM
And where you when that property had 6 hearings?

Oh, yeah. That was built as right. And where will those people get groceries? Drive to Hampton Bays. On the highway. And when the new houses in "the fields" are built, they will go to Hampton Bays as well.

I've got an idea. Spend a Sunday at KK HB. Look at all the Southampton residents, locals, shopping. And how do they get there?

ON THE HIGHWAY. This is sofa king obvious.
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 8:08 PM
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The facts are that this oversized project will exacerbate an already terrible traffic situation, we don't NEED. a new supermarket and apparently the Supervision has seen through the BS spewed by the developers and their mouthpiece
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Jan 26, 17 2:52 PM
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Very happy to hear the Town Board is doing their job
By sanhunt (4), East Quogue on Jan 26, 17 8:50 PM
I hope more tire shops and haciendas go there.
By Mouthampton (437), Southampton on Jan 26, 17 8:58 PM
Well if Southampton is going to stop being a sanctuary city the Town police are going to need a place to intern the prisoners with no proof of legal residence that get stopped for traffic violations. Don't want to lose all the Federal money going to the hospital, right? Mouthampton maybe you could get a job building a stout fence topped with barbed wire to hold them all.
By dfree (810), hampton bays on Jan 27, 17 7:19 AM
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The population already exists and the traffic already exists. The supermarket is necessary and catering to the needs of the existing population. The developers are NOT increasing the population (thus the traffic)....they are providing a one stop, full service market to add convenience and time management to the EXISTING population. Many old timers ,who are the loudest opposition, are set in their ways and uncomfortable with change. It is time for this market and we should be thanking the developers ...more
By yoga549 (4), remsenburg on Jan 27, 17 4:27 PM
BRAVO SIERRA!!!!
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Jan 27, 17 10:11 PM
Did you really sign on to 27east just to write:

"we should be thanking the developers for their persistence .. "
..that's just
The most horrifying
Statement i think ive ever seen ..
Itd wud be hilarious dark humor.. but i think yourr not kidding
You mudt be an agent or a developer ..
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 27, 17 9:05 PM
neither an agent or developer.....
if this horrifies you, you have lived a charmed life
By yoga549 (4), remsenburg on Jan 28, 17 9:58 AM
Dear Developers of Long Island,

Thank you for your persistence.

Even those who first preyed on farmers to those who are big corporate entities with nice country friendly names,

Thank you for your persistence.
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 27, 17 9:23 PM
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Mr Nills wife masked her marriage and used her maiden name to send out a mailing to residents stating it is sorely needed. The Mariners Drive address was the tip off as no one lives in a commercial building, but Im told that they donnot even live in this town. A deceptive mailer with a single intent. This is all about money and not community benefit. We donnot need another traffic jam and there are plenty of choices now. If there was such demand Gristedes and IGA never would have closed up. Build ...more
By North Sea Citizen (564), North Sea on Jan 28, 17 7:52 AM
mr nill does not have a wife
By yoga549 (4), remsenburg on Jan 28, 17 9:59 AM
The Jennica woman is his sister.
By June Bug (2605), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 28, 17 1:08 PM
That's not true either.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 7:48 PM
Don't confuse Juney B with the facts.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 28, 17 10:26 PM
Stop & shop has been wiped out of regular Arizona Iced tea since it went on Sale last Friday! I've tried 3 times this week. Good luck finding Natures Pride Half & Half in a half gallon container.( also tried 3 times ) You have to buy the small ones and spend more $ . Dont go shopping at 8am ! Even if u have a full cart, you will have no choice but to check out at the self check out! Be prepared to merge and rub the aisles when passing other shopping carts. The aisle are tight. And watch out for ...more
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jan 28, 17 8:31 AM
Yes, they will deliver to my door . But I'm not interested in paying for groceries that are close to their expiration date. Besides that, having groceries delivered is not the solution to an inadequate grocery store.
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Jan 29, 17 7:52 AM
Hello
By tinman (1), southampton on Jan 28, 17 9:58 AM
The Stop and Shop water bottles for the board are somewhat ironic here.
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 12:38 PM
The Stop and Shop water bottles for the board are somewhat ironic here.
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 12:38 PM
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Once again, Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker, I guess I hit a nerve. Your super-emphatic denial of any payment from, or financial interest in, the Tuckahoe Center project speaks for itself, plainly suggesting that this is a sensitive issue for you. Nevertheless, I take you at your word.

Of course, you'll understand how I and others got the opposite impression, from your diligent and detailed posts in support of the proposal, never missing an opportunity to praise it or to answer any criticism ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 28, 17 12:40 PM
Ok, like you then, I guess I have no life for posting passionately in this comments section. We may be very alike in this regard. I have mentioned that in posts before that my prime reason for being all over this was to call BS on the exaggerations, distortions, and downright lies posted by opponents on this project, exposing, to use your word, the "myopic", NIMBY-esque, and backwards-looking mndsets regarding what is needed for our communities to evolve in this town.

You have represented ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 1:34 PM
to Rickenbacker:

I can't speak for other readers, but I know that nothing makes we more appreciative of the merits of an argument than a walloping great glob of condescension by its proponent.
By highhatsize (4185), East Quogue on Jan 28, 17 2:13 PM
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Thanks, Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker, for your thoughtful and, as always, prompt reply. Thanks also for your acknowledgment of my advancing the con position "better than most." I guess that's what my friend highhat means by "a walloping great glob of condescension," but I'll take it for whatever it's worth, just as I take your denial of any financial interest in the project for whatever it's worth.

You speak of "the practical reality of the Town . . . fast moving" beyond me and my views. ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 28, 17 3:14 PM
Mr. Lynch/Turkey Bridge, Funny, then, isn’t it, that when "walloping great glob(s) of condescension" are heaped on by opponents when supporters point out actual facts, the primary retorts that you and they rely on are to 1, discredit the poster, 2, assume the poster is on the take, 3., twist the poster’s facts in a way that it seems not to be a fact. You just did these things in your last posts to me. Notice that I haven’t done that to you. All of those tactics, however, don’t ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 5:46 PM
Now now, George.

Can you answer this for me. Where are the people who will shop at this KK come from?

And, additionally, if it's not needed, why will there be traffic jams in front of it?

By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 6:10 PM
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Hey, "the ruin of East End civilization." Nicely, put. Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker, and not far off the mark, IMO. But here's where we differ, and it's crucial: You say I think that's where we're going because TC will be some sort of "gateway drug" setting a precedent for larger enterprises that will push us over the edge.

No, no, I never said that. My position is that Tuckahoe Center, all by itself, will be "the ruin." This project alone will cause enough congestion on CR39 to require ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 30, 17 11:51 AM
I don't have anything else to add to my statements above, other than to say if you think this little development is the "end", then you need to check your own delusion. There is no factual basis on which you can make your claim. Name one place where the data shows that what you contend will be "the end" will actually occur.

Why isn't "Pumpkintown" the end then, considering that has more high-traffic trip generation than anything along RT27 other than maybe BH Commons? Is that part of the ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 30, 17 3:19 PM
Key point for me:
"I dont subscribe to this aging political viewpoint that the Village needs to be the center of everything "
..
I am against lazy urban sprawl.
An endless series of strip malls that lead to mini mega malls that lead to big malls.
All with condos in between.
No open spaces any more.
100 pct development. . 100% ground cover.. with water runoff pipes underneath to manage the rain.
Taxes galore to manage it all.
Ill stop there...
.
But in ...more
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 28, 17 2:58 PM
Hey George, look at david h's post, see what I mean about the gateway drug phenomenon? Not based in any reality, just a bad trip down a rabbit hole of unlikely scenarios.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Jan 28, 17 5:48 PM
Rickenbacker i wish i was in your reality then. But
..you are in the business
Have you ever been to the north shore of Hawaii,
Have you ever explored north of San Fran ?
... Atlantic City, all of NJ coastline ?
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 28, 17 6:02 PM
Standing up against overdevelopment and the destruction of our beautiful neck of the woods is often frustrating, this time it seems to be successful. Time will tell.
By bigfresh (4594), north sea on Jan 28, 17 8:12 PM
Time for Morrow to find a new pony to ride. The board needs to kill this zombie by finally cutting off its head with a NO vote.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Jan 30, 17 4:08 PM
Yes, yes he will. He still owns this property and will still build on it.

I wonder what.

In the meantime, get ready for the traffic crushing retail plaza Joe Farrell is building at 27/39/flying point road.

Smfh.
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Jan 30, 17 8:21 PM
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Well said Draggerman. Right at the one of the worst traffic choke points on the east end.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Jan 31, 17 2:56 PM
I guess the Developer didn't make any political donations to Schneiderman's campaign.....
By MissMaryMac (5), East Quogue on Jan 31, 17 9:31 AM
let's stop this project before it gets ahead of all of us. like the Glennon property for a supermarket was stopped cold us taxpayers/residents better get on this
;project on day one.
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jan 31, 17 7:49 PM
Mr Nill, please clarify if that was your wife and if you really live in the village or town of southampton. Is important to my opinion as to support your project or not. Only want a direct answer..
By xtiego (698), bridgehampton on Jan 31, 17 7:59 PM
Mr Nill is not married and lives in the Town of Southampton. Is that direct enough?
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Feb 1, 17 9:26 PM
Once again you have an issue that impacts the slowly dying Tuckahoe school with no consideration for the tax payers in that district. Maybe the super market isn't the best idea, maybe it is, but consider any impacts in the tax district it belongs. The town board is also the board for Tuckahoe. Once again the village is looking out for itself and running the town board. As far as closing yet another road at Shinnecock golf course (remember when we had access to St. Andrews road?) lets use that as ...more
By sentinel (8), southampton on Feb 2, 17 1:06 PM
1. traffic is bad enough with no development there and thus ZERO visits ...
2... mega mini mall NEEDS to generate traffic/visits to this site to be successful
thus
..but you developers suggesting that these 1000 visits are already driving by , what?
By david h (405), southampton on Feb 2, 17 7:12 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Feb 3, 17 6:36 AM
I am.

I live in Hampton Park am. gr to Hamptvn Bays KK for groderies. I drive oight past thds propertypand thinkoof h a much time ond ghs I'd save if people weren'tesuch closed mindsddsmeed.

Keep believing "Alternative Truths" from people like Bob DeLuca with his "320,000" squar fuet. feet.eRto read the Cashin Report that states there wouldn't be any othect from the traffic. That reports as paid br by the townh TCe ntunty reportncorrurred with Cashin.

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By Draggerman (942), Southampton on Feb 3, 17 6:36 AM
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By even flow (994), East Hampton on Feb 4, 17 4:35 AM