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Oct 10, 2018 11:25 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Schiavoni Proposal To Limit Recreation Space Shot Down

Southampton Town Board members voted down a proposal to hold a public hearing on legislation that would limit the amount of space devoted to active recreation in planned residential developments, 3-to-2, at a board meeting on Tuesday, October 9. GREG WEHNER
Oct 12, 2018 2:21 PM

A proposal pitched by Southampton Town Board member Tommy John Schiavoni on Tuesday to hold a public hearing on proposed legislation that would limit the amount of active recreation space that Planned Residential Developments—or PRDs—could have, was shot down by board members.

Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal was to limit the amount of active recreation in PRDs to 1 acre per 10 dwellings or lots, or 10 acres, whichever is less.

Many people in Town Hall on Tuesday charged that Mr. Schiavoni was proposing the legislation to put a stop to a pre-application filed by Discovery Land Corporation with the Town Planning Board, seeking approval for a PRD in East Quogue.

Discovery Land filed a lawsuit against the town earlier this year over the board’s rejection of a planned development district proposal at the same location in East Quogue, called “The Hills at Southampton,” which called for a 118-home subdivision and golf course, that would have been within the aquifer.

“There are many people who are here today about one particular application, and I would submit that that particular application has illuminated a gap in our code,” Mr. Schiavoni said. “Our code does not reflect active recreation in PRDs.”

Instead, he noted that the application demonstrated a need for legislation to address similar proposals.

“The reason why I’m doing this … is because the code is silent on active recreation in planned residential developments,” Mr. Schiavoni said on Tuesday. “That, in my mind, is causing a challenge to the board [and] to the town government in general.”

He went on to say that the legislation would affect less than 100 pieces of land in Southampton Town in the aquifer protection overlay districts—environmentally sensitive areas above the deepwater recharge sole-source aquifer.

When board members put Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal to a vote, only John Bouvier supported the idea of having a public hearing on the proposal. He noted that even though he supports the public hearing, he did not necessarily support Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal.

Town Board members Christine Scalera and Julie Lofstad, the latter of whom was named in the suit brought by Discover Land, as well as Supervisor Jay Schneiderman, rejected the proposal for a public hearing, all noting that on advice from counsel, they could not support a public hearing.

Bob DeLuca, president of the environmental advocacy organization Group for the East End, told board members that he supported Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal to restrict recreational activity in the PRDs, noting that 10 acres is big enough to fit seven NFL football fields.

But others in the room did not support Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal, and demanded that the public hearing be rejected by the board.

Larry Oxman of Riverhead said he could not disagree more with Mr. DeLuca, saying Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal “reeks” of bias against the Discovery Land project.

“This has the appearance of a conflict of interest,” Mr. Oxman said.

Mr. Schiavoni’s proposal comes nearly three months after he proposed a moratorium on limiting development in aquifer districts.

The moratorium would have put a temporary halt on all development within the aquifer protection districts, which make up a large portion of the town, to allow a newly formed committee to review laws, studies and plans that focus on the protective zone, including the town’s master plan and sustainability plan, and to come up with recommendations for new, tighter regulations.

Despite Mr. Schiavoni saying his goal was to find a way to protect clean water for future generations, many suspected that too was a ploy to stop Discovery Land’s pre-application.

Mr. Schiavoni was forced to withdraw his application for the moratorium shortly after he proposed it, because he did not have the support from the other board members.

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He needs to go back to teaching
By patriot50 (37), sag harbor on Oct 10, 18 2:14 PM
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Are Tommy John Schiavoni and John Bouvier the only members of this Town Board with any gumption? “Advice of counsel,” indeed! And what did counsel advise the members voting against a public hearing? Probably to keep their heads down, way down, in the hope that Discovery’s meritless suit against the Town will go away.

If Board members are cowed into avoiding any issue with Discovery, even one associated with a completely different application like Mr. Schiavoni’s ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1868), Quiogue on Oct 10, 18 2:49 PM
same "counsel" that gave our Trustees such great advice?
By bigfresh (3752), north sea on Oct 10, 18 2:57 PM
Great photos from the meeting! Glad to see the EQVEC carpet bagger, J. Insalaco, sitting along side her patrons from DLC... hand in glove.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (570), southampton on Oct 10, 18 3:20 PM
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car·pet·bag·ger: a political candidate who seeks election in an area where they have no local connections.
Jessica actually lives in East Quogue. You may have her confused with Gershon.
By cmac (145), East Quogue on Oct 10, 18 5:42 PM
also defined as: a person perceived as an unscrupulous opportunist.
Which suits Mrs. I.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (570), southampton on Oct 11, 18 7:52 AM
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Wow, calling someone unscrupulous while hiding behind an alias, now that is rich! In addition to serving on the EQVEC. Ms. Insalaco also serves on the WHBHS PTO and is the co-chair of the Quogue Wildlife Refuge Benefit Committee. Such an oppertunist!! Next time you see Ms. Insalaco please thank her for all she selflessly does for our community. Shame on The Press for once again allowing baseless, disparraging remarks on someone's character!
By cmac (145), East Quogue on Oct 11, 18 2:46 PM
I agree that she is a good person and does lots of good work.
I can also think that her work for DLC in conjunction with EQVEC are a pretty clear conflict of interest and red flag. It puts the whole exploration into question.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (570), southampton on Oct 11, 18 3:48 PM
You could have daid that without calling her an unscrupulous opportunist. DLC's application before the planning board will be decided well in advance of the formation of a village. Ms. Insalaco serves on tbe EQVEC for the same reason she serves on tbe PTO and the Wildlife Refuge Benefit Committee.. because she cares about the community she calls home. She is one of fifteen members on the EQVEC.
By cmac (145), East Quogue on Oct 12, 18 12:24 AM
Park Avenue Perry is definitely a carpetbagging interloper.
By Draggerman (822), Southampton on Oct 13, 18 10:26 PM
Schneiderman, Lofstad and Scalera took the advise of counsel all right - Discovery's counsel.
By William Rodney (507), southampton on Oct 10, 18 4:06 PM
Before we start posting on a public venue, perhaps we should all watch the meeting. The Schiavoni become evident. Just watch....
By Frythea (3), Southampton on Oct 10, 18 4:54 PM
Three of our board members had the backs of the taxpayers, while Tommy John was thinking of his own political aspirations.
By Frythea (3), Southampton on Oct 10, 18 4:56 PM
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Can we please post comments that do not contain political slams. Since we aren’t mind readers of Tommy John or others, we should stick to his voting record and his statements.

Can you state what his voting record is?
By Red Flag (16), HamptonBays on Oct 12, 18 9:17 PM
Thea, I guess you don't have any mirrors in your house. Your posts and DLC connection are all just your own political ambitions.
It also seems you forgot that the people of Southampton Town rejected your bid for office BIG TIME, along with your friend Stan "The Banker man" Glinka. I'm sure you remember him.
By SpeedRacer (115), Southampton on Oct 13, 18 3:20 PM
Schiavoni ran on a clean water platform and won handily indicating strong public support for his position. Why is anyone surprised that he's advocating for laws and regs that will protect the aquifer and our wetlands?
By Arnold Timer (305), Sag Harbor on Oct 10, 18 5:51 PM
This is the 2nd overreaching proposal from Mr. Schiavoni since he was sworn in only a few months ago. Everyone should be concerned by his actions no matter if you are for or against the Discovery proposal. His actions and attitude are very dangerous to a democratic process.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Oct 10, 18 7:29 PM
... Schiavoni's actions are the ESSENCE of the democratic process. He see's over-development and it's accompanying pollution and wants to put it before the people of the town in the form of a public hearing. No danger there.

Taking large campaign contributions and quaking in your frigging boots because defeated developers threaten to sue because they didn't get their zoning change - that's dangerous to the democratic process and becoming the norm in town hall.
By William Rodney (507), southampton on Oct 11, 18 10:58 AM
What a jerk this guy is. He has been on the teet of the govt his whole adult life. a joke
By chief1 (2534), southampton on Oct 10, 18 10:27 PM
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Just like Trump.


Trump Isn’t a Self-Made Man. His Wealth Is the Product of Years of Government Subsidies.

The family real-estate business was powered by subsidies and cheap government-backed loans.

Peter Suderman|Oct. 8, 2018 3:00 pm
By Mr. Z (10551), North Sea on Oct 10, 18 11:29 PM
more Trump Derangement Syndrome on display from our resident Anti Capitalist good Lord you are a boor.
By bigfresh (3752), north sea on Oct 12, 18 5:47 PM
One and out.
By A Great American (51), East Quogue on Oct 10, 18 11:08 PM
Mr. Z - what does Trump have to do with anything. Mr. Schiavoni has already demonstrated that he is under prepared for his role as a Town Board member and acts like the rules don't apply to him. Maybe he is Sag harbor royalty, but he is not the "king" of the Town of Southampton. His actions are a hazard to every property owner and taxpayer in the Town no matter what your political affiliation or view on the Hills. Unless we can impeach him, we are stuck with him for 4 years. I find that ...more
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Oct 11, 18 9:26 AM
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Very DISAPPOINTED with Schiavoni; as a Democrat I hope he does not run for re election or that somebody will challenge him. I think he has a HUGE ego.
By Mate (28), Southampton on Oct 11, 18 11:23 AM
Both he and Mr. Bouvier appear to have huge egos....and Mr. Bouvier is no Kennedy. We are stuck with Schiavoni for 3 more years, but we can rid the Board of Bouvier if he runs again next year. This is not about political parties - this is about 2 people who seem believe that they don't answer to anyone.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Oct 11, 18 12:43 PM
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Three cheers for John Bouvier -- hip, hip, hooray! Mr. Bouvier has done a wonderful job on the town board. His efforts to protect water quality are sensible and based on scientifc fact. Thank you Mr. Bouvier for your hard work : )
By Aeshtron (153), Southampton on Oct 11, 18 1:09 PM
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Exactly what "hard work" did he do? Have you seen any of the meetings? He is practically sleeping chrough them. The work is being done with our money and consultants. We don't need him. There are many issues that face the Town no just clean water. One and done.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Oct 11, 18 4:29 PM
John Bouvier introduced the "Clean Fill Certification" which requires a verifiable chain of responsibility to ensure that fill used is free of harmful contaminants, this legislation passed unanimously. He also strengthened existing codes on hydrofracking waste so that this toxic waste is never used to melt snow on our roads. We need John Bouvier and other like-minded people. Kudos to John Bouvier!

I have never seen any of these meetings for any prolonged period of time, they do seem ...more
By Aeshtron (153), Southampton on Oct 12, 18 11:27 AM
Mr. Bouvier is a one hit wonder and that is not what a Town board member should be. He is very narrow minded and doesn't listen to anyone unless they agree with him. While I can appreciate what you have put forth, it sounds as if you believe that the other members of the Town Board want to poison us with harmful chemicals. All the Town Board members are trying to protect our waterways and drinking water.
By HB Proud (879), Hampton Bays on Oct 12, 18 5:03 PM
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Here is what I learned in H S Goverment class:

Elected officials can vote in four ways.

1. They vote according to what the majority of their constituents desire.
2. They vote according to what a group of people persuade them to vote
3.They do not consider what is best for their community or what their community
needs. They vote according to what they think is best for the community without listening to their community.
4. They gather information, listen to experts ...more
By Red Flag (16), HamptonBays on Oct 12, 18 9:35 PM
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President Clinton - record black imprisonment
President Obama - record black welfare
President Trump - record black employment.

Democrats only resisted Trump.
#walkaway
By SlimeAlive (978), Southampton on Oct 14, 18 5:10 AM
My post above (10/10, 2:49 PM) was truncated somehow. Here's how it read, in full:

Are Tommy John Schiavoni and John Bouvier the only members of this Town Board with any gumption? "Advice of counsel" indeed! And what did counsel advise the members voting against a public hearing? Probably to keep their heads down, way down, in the hope that Discovery's meritless suit against the Town will go away.

If Board members are cowed into avoiding any issue with Discovery, even one associated ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1868), Quiogue on Oct 15, 18 9:23 AM
Councilwoman Lofstad was a big disappointment during that segment of the meeting. Instead of being engaged, she appeared busy texting or whatever-- she really kept her head down.

As for Schneiderman, it is quite obvious he is bought and paid for by DLC-- something to remember on November 6.

When voting for Suffolk County Comptroller, leave space blank or vote for Kennedy.
By HamptonClassic (69), Southampton on Oct 16, 18 12:13 PM