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Jan 28, 2015 12:20 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Hunters And Residents Continue To Butt Heads Over Deer

Jan 28, 2015 1:01 PM

Tempers flared as hunters faced fewer than a dozen residents in attendance at Saturday’s deer management informational meeting hosted by Hunters For Deer, the non-profit that is leading the cull in Remsenburg that has upset some homeowners and animal advocates.

After a brief presentation by Mike Tessitore, founder of the hunting group, accusations about the group’s ethics and the legality of the ongoing hunt in Remsenburg sprung from nearly all of those gathered inside the Westhampton Free Library in Westhampton Beach.

Bow hunting season runs from October 1 to January 31 in Suffolk County. Most residents took issue with the new setback requirement for bow hunters, which was reduced to 150 feet in residential neighborhoods, though some asked if the hunters involved with the group must first undergo background checks.

Some hamlet residents who have not enrolled in the program are upset about the hunt which, thus far, has resulted in the taking of more than 70 deer in Remsenburg.

“I like rock concerts, but I can’t host one in my yard,” said hamlet resident Bill Baker, who opposes deer hunting in residential neighborhoods.

“You have no right to tell other property owners what they can and can’t do,” Mr. Tessitore retorted. “At the end of the day, it’s up to the property owner, and we are within our rights to hunt on properties where we have permission.”

Mr. Baker and a few other residents present Saturday charged that the bow hunters have “decimated” the deer population in Remsenburg, and questioned the veracity of the progress reports being made by Hunters For Deer.

Christian Killoran, president of Hunters For Deer, reported that 72 deer were killed and that approximately 160 remain in the community. He also said his group is honest with its counts, although he later pointed out that securing an exact head count is impossible.

Mr. Tessitore and Mr. Killoran bumped heads with the residents for about 90 minutes, repeatedly explaining that their group is not trying to wipe out the local deer population. Instead, they said the hunters need to manage the population in order to reduce the number of car accidents and the spread of tick-borne illnesses.

Those present, however, were not buying into the group’s mission statement.

“You say you’re not trophy hunters, but what about this?” Kathy Hofmann of Remsenburg asked while holding up a Hunters For Deer poster, which pictured Mr. Killoran with a dead buck. “I haven’t seen a deer in two months. You decimated the herd.

“Why can’t you go to [open forest] and be a real hunter and stalk them like everyone else?” she continued.

In spite of the tense moments, members of both groups later agreed that a more accurate deer count is needed, and that it should focus on the entire East End.

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excuse me Kathy, WHERE IS there any "open forest" ??
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I know that that "open forest" was inserted ... but if those words were selected correctly for the context of her rhetorical question .. id really love to know .. I guess someone will say upstate
By david h (405), southampton on Jan 28, 15 3:14 PM
I think she was referring to the land on old riverhead road and the pine barrens.
By Cay Chandler (6), Remsenburg on Jan 30, 15 10:14 AM
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By KelvinBryant (3), Yaphank on Jan 28, 15 3:54 PM
If people can demonstrate valid safety concerns about the hunt -- due to the new setbacks, for example -- that's one thing, but this Bambi stuff is beneath contempt. It looks like the Bambi crowd is using various screens to mask the base sentimentality that really motivates them, screens like safety, herd "decimation" and "trophy hunting."

Safety is an open question, but the herd is hardly being decimated if the hunting group's numbers are anywhere near correct. If people haven't seen ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 28, 15 4:30 PM
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By WendyChamberlin (3), on Jan 29, 15 6:51 PM
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No you don't. I've been commenting on 27east for a long while, Ms. Chamberlin -- 1,168 posts noted above -- and most people who follow local affairs on this site with any attention know who Turkey Bridge is, by name, but apparently you're not one of them.

That's OK, it's not important, but you've made some grossly false accusations. Contrary to what you irresponsibly say, I'm not a hunter, I don't belong to Hunters for Deer or any other such organization, and I feel just fine without ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 30, 15 12:18 AM
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So 3 accidents with no details (speeding? dui?) constitute a 'war zone' Wanting professional assessment and humane control methods is shamed as being "bambi stuff.
Ignorance about how lyme disease is spread (it really comes more from the white footed mouse, squirrels and domestic pets) is causing people to believe the lies spread to justify killing all the deer.
This is about money, this group is making a killing at the expense of our wildlife and our community under the guise of management ...more
By Cay Chandler (6), Remsenburg on Jan 30, 15 10:21 AM
to Turkey Bridge:

As a proud member of the "Bambi Crowd" whose "base sentimentality" inspires me to condemn the actions of psychopathic "sportsmen" who ignore the torment that they inflict on innocents in gratification of their predatory drives, I take exception to your post.

Yes, I want to preserve the life of every innocent be he human or deer. We are different species but we share the same emotions and suffer the same agony if some stone-hearted egomaniac decides to kill us ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Jan 30, 15 2:23 PM
Ms. Chandler, the deer-caused "3 accidents" to which you refer may be the whole story in Remsenburg, but there have been many more in Southampton Town as a whole, and in the region. The speeding and dui which you mention are possible contributing factors, but a lot of people do either or both, and why should we tolerate the additional hazard of deer darting out into the road?

You can point to other disease carriers such as mice, but that doesn't mean we can say, "Oh, it's the mice, forget ...more
By southamptondems (8), southampton on Jan 31, 15 9:54 AM
Sorry, just used a screen name in the above post that I never use to comment, except by mistake -- it's the subscriber's screen name that enables me to read 27east articles in full. Please consider post as being from Turkey Bridge. No harm, no foul.
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 31, 15 10:23 AM
For clarification, highhat, I wrote that I subscribe to the "biblical notion" of other species being on earth for man's use, but I don't subscribe to it simply because it's in Genesis. An omnipotent God, in my view, is perfectly capable of creating a world of Darwinian natural selection. In the resulting evolution, humans have developed so far beyond any other species that their superiority is manifest and inevitable, with the functional consequence that other species are subordinate to them.

Just ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Jan 31, 15 11:42 AM
to Turkey Bridge:

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

To clarify MY position, I do not believe in the parity of man and animals, although I suspect that this is because I "am" man rather than one of them. If it comes down to a Salomonic choice, I choose man.

However, it virtually never DOES come down to such a choice. In the instant case, we can control the deer herd though non-lethal mean. The objections to this strategy (putting to the side the objections of the troglodytes ...more
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Jan 31, 15 2:34 PM
I would have thought the scientific demonstration would be the most straightforward and easiest to make. The evidence is all there -- opposable thumbs, larger brain capacity, larger brains, triremes, the Brandenburg Concertos, dental implants, Moby-Dick (nod to Cetaceans), mustard gas, moon landings, the Church of England, reverse mortgages, eugenics, bitcoin, and so on. What other species could possibly have developed Twitter? Or the French language? What other species would want to?

Must ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Feb 1, 15 11:21 AM
to Turkey Bridge:

Well, a sperm whale's brain is actually six times larger than a human's. Perhaps the extraordinary intelligence indicated by this fact has cause the sperm whale to reject manipulation of his environment (which is the totality of your cataloged list of the achievements of homo sapiens) as insignificant when compared to the profound philosophical meditations in which it spends its life.
By highhatsize (4180), East Quogue on Feb 1, 15 1:15 PM
Certainly a possibility, and a rather charming one at that. I wouldn't be displeased if it proved to be the case.
By Turkey Bridge (1966), Quiogue on Feb 1, 15 10:33 PM
The following is a reply to a comment made by Michael Tessitore on this site regarding another article about the Deer spaying program in East Hampton Village.I have pasted it here and added some additional information so that everyone can see the truth about this Hunting Club and realize that they are not the Solution to the Deer herd but rather a detriment to The tradition of Bowhunting on Long Island-they are nothing more than a hunting club looking to gain hunting access-they are not helping ...more
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 28, 15 8:19 PM
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Do you expect people to read such a verbose comment? "Keep it pithy."
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Jan 28, 15 10:11 PM
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By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 6:53 AM
Less is more in writing. I am a vociferous reader, but I refuse to bite into such dense verbiage. Whatever your default font size is, comments are a fraction of that. And they are single spaced. If you want to write a letter to the editor or pen your own article special to the Press then I'll read it. But comments should be kept pithy.

My critique of your post has been on style. I have not written anything which would indicate my position on the issue.

I live in Remsenburg-Speonk. ...more
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Jan 29, 15 8:23 AM
Thanks for the advice on creative writing.......I'll make a note of it.............I'll assume your questions are legitimate.

A well placed arrow will cause a deer to expire in as quickly as 10-15 seconds.Being that this is not a perfect world sometimes things happen and the arrow does not find its mark as inteneded.In this case the deer will either not be mortally wounded and survive to see another day or will take longer to expire.
If a deer did in fact wind up in your backyard the ...more
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 9:46 PM
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By KelvinBryant (3), Yaphank on Jan 29, 15 6:47 AM
Thanks for proving my point about the unintelligent rebuttals and retorts to the exposed truth regarding the club.These responses are typical of those who are floundering and scrambling to try and attempt damage control.I'm wondering why Esq. has not appeared to spew his big word legal Jargon.......It's not vey impressive either.It's obvious BS as well.
Am I pro life or pro choice? Perhaps the club should be asking themselves this question........protesting the cull with Animal Rights Activists? ...more
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 7:43 AM
Looks like the trolls are out, with their <10 posts. Last part sounds threatening. Angry person you are.
By theprogram (37), east quogue on Jan 29, 15 11:21 AM
Another member of the club perhaps? Sooo if I have 31 posts on a newspaper website that makes me what? A superstar in life?Not angry at all............thanks for asking.
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 9:32 PM
What is a land/homeowner who doesn't want hunting in the neighborhood to do
when it is allowed on adjacent properties? Would everyone at least be notified and informed which homeowners participated by allowing their land to be hunted?
By NatalieJarnstedt (6), Chicago, Illinois on Jan 29, 15 10:38 AM
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No, you will not be notified and there will be no posted hunting signs. AND the homeowner that buys into this criminally irresponsible plan is likely to get their insurance cancelled, or at the very least be open to a civil lawsuit if their neighbors child or dog gets killed.







By WendyChamberlin (3), on Jan 29, 15 6:45 PM
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Just posted on NYSDEC website under Press Releases link. FACTS

2014 Marks the Second Best Year for Safe Hunting in New York
New York's Sportsman Education Program is a Key Factor


"The 2014 New York hunting season closed with the second lowest number of hunting related-shooting incidents on record, State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Joe Martens announced today.

"Hunting is a tradition in New York State that continues to be safely ...more
By MichaelHunter (76), East Quogue, New York on Jan 29, 15 6:33 PM
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By WendyChamberlin (3), on Jan 29, 15 7:26 PM
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We were party to the law suit because we did not believe the USDA should come to our area and create a wildlife ponzi scheme, when hunters could be just as effective and at no expense to the taxpayer, if given the same tools as USDA-WS sharpshooters. We never supported sterilizing deer. Now that Judge Asher has dismissed the law suit and DEC has eased the restrictions, HFD is content. Your continuous attacks on hunting and me personally is unprofessional. The only effective way to manage deer ...more
By MichaelHunter (76), East Quogue, New York on Jan 29, 15 7:41 PM

How about your Club partaking in the attempt to stop the issuance of new nuisance permits? The USDA is not part of them.
What reasoning was there behind trying to hurt the farmers?Who are you to tell them they can't remove deer on their property.You are smug enough to tell the gentleman in the article above that "he has no right to tell property owners what they can and can't do"-But you can?
You say you and the club were not for the sterilization?Did you and another member of the ...more
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 8:58 PM
It truly is incredible just how pompous and cocksure one person can be.
Your hunting club berates and denounces the NYSDEC at every opportunity but yet you seem to love to rely on them for cut and paste purposes to somehow legitimize your club?
Instead of nonsense and fabricated non truths-why not try and retort with some actual proof and facts regarding the Hunting Club?Show some actual proof that the club is Pro herd management and not just pro gaining properties to trophy hunt.
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 9:02 PM
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By WendyChamberlin (3), on Jan 29, 15 6:47 PM
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I believe aka UltimateHunter elsewhere as well.
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 29, 15 9:37 PM
Hunting is the only effective way to reduce deer herd numbers. The meat is consumed by hunters or donated to friends, family others persons as well as organizations that can use the meat. Who are you to tell people they can't go hunting, next your going to say we can't go fishing to provide for our families? People won't agree on things we know that, but to name bash a person who has done so many great things for longisland hunting is very juvenile. Says a lot about your character. To dart does ...more
By dinok (2), woodbury on Jan 29, 15 9:56 PM
Do these all pro hunting groups not know that the deer they kill will simply be replaced? There are thousands of deer in the pine barrens and will move into any space opened up by the hunters. The sheer numbers are against any real or long term success. Look at EH. They just spent a grand a deer for sterilization and got 125 deer. 125? That's a drop in the bucket.
As for Killoran, he is a hack local lawyer and also represents lil Larry Citatelli and his parcel in Remsenburg.
By G (339), Southampton on Jan 29, 15 10:11 PM
How do you handle them at Ft Bragg, cupsogue?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 15 3:20 PM
Bowhunting only in Suffolk County is from October 31st to December 31st it is NOT till January 31st...there is though a Special Firearms Season for deer which is the 1st Monday following the 1st Saturday in January through the last weekday in January (m-f only)
By NorthSeaNative (34), Southampton on Jan 31, 15 3:33 PM
In Suffolk, bow hunting was extended through January thirty-first and firearm hunting was permitted on weekends this year as a result of legislation signed into law by Gov. Cuomo.
By cmac (184), East Quogue on Jan 31, 15 3:43 PM
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FALSE! The bow season on Long Island Commences on October 1st and ends on January 31st.The last day of the season is today.The bow season has been extended this year to run concurrently with the fireams (shotgun/muzzleloader) season-which now includes weekends.The last day of that season is also today.There are certain State,County and Town parcels that are closed to bowhunting and/or firearms during this period.
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 31, 15 3:56 PM
My apologies, you are absolutly correct, Cuomo did change the legislation in August to take effect Jan 2015...burecrats lol ty
By NorthSeaNative (34), Southampton on Jan 31, 15 4:15 PM
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Walter Sobchac also goes by the name (aka) Captredleggs in others online posts, i.e.: Suffolk Times Review. He is Jeff Standish, who runs the Southold deer management program and who's family benefits from "public service".
By MichaelHunter (76), East Quogue, New York on Jan 31, 15 6:55 PM
Ummmmm.....you are kidding right? That could not be any further from the truth.But thank you for the compliment,from what I understand he is quite the hunter.....and I'm not the type to work in public service.
You are correct about my username from the Suffolk Times and also Newsday-some of the other outlets where you try to BS people with the stories and falsities and where I provide the FACTS to help people understand.
Did you and your hunting club perform the investigation to uncover ...more
By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 31, 15 7:40 PM
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By MichaelHunter (76), East Quogue, New York on Jan 31, 15 7:47 PM
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By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 31, 15 8:21 PM
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By Walter Sobchak (22), Water Mill on Jan 31, 15 9:29 PM
So you are sticking with your claim that you are a Warrant Officer in the United States Army?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Feb 3, 15 9:23 PM
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